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Jack smith — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:51:54 GMT

everyone knows about china's flaws. it's sad that they're presented in a biased, dichotomous way. no one believes the media of an authoritarian state. but if you believe everything cnn, bbc,etc. say; you're buying into some insidious yet pervasive propaganda. pre-1951 tibet was no paradise, and the dalai lama does the CIA's bidding. he was against putting pinochet on trial! all this utopian banter about tibetans being pure and peaceful, yet these protests were a pogrom against both chinese and muslim minority populations. the tibetans do have legitimate grievances, but the media has consistently given a propagandistic portrayal of events. http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

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GWB — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:34:59 GMT

This is when you separate the politicians from the leaders. Now is the time for measurment of leadership qualities.

An immediate boycott of the games, or ALTERNATE COUNTRY should be imposed immediately, and until media is returned to tibet and airwaves uncensored to the people, no more imports from china will be accepted. The only thing that may pass through borders would be food aid.

The same goes for all dictatorships around the globe, as well as governments that fail to feed and house at least 80% of thier population.

We have to rebuild our industrial complex anyway, It may as well start today.

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Heather, San Diego, CA — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:41:56 GMT

Oooohhhh...this plus reading that China wants a 10 - 20 second delay for new stations broadcasting the Olympics...what a controlling country.
Absolutely unbelievable that they were allowed to host the Olympics.

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Robert Smith, Santa Maria, CA — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:13:44 GMT

Why is News (with a capital N)that China, an even more repressive dictatorship than Soviet Russia, is trying to maintain complete censorship over information to its people. I remember (and my memory is better than Hillary's) that in the late 1940's when I was an USAF radio operator in Japan, we counted over fifty radio transmitters in China whose sole purpose was broadcasting interference to Voice of America broadcasts.

So what's new?

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Steven, Los Angeles, California — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:25:16 GMT

People always hope for truth for events happnening around this globe. But, i do believe that media often paly their roles for the different interests from different perspectives and that media try be labelled fair, which is ubiquitous throughout the world.

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Wayne — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:44:53 GMT

I wonder when the Chinese are going to start demanding the government quit censoring the information.

What can we do to help? Can't we set up proxy servers for the people to access and get the info anyway and simply bypass any government restrictions?

Would having said proxy servers in place cause the chinese government to back down and open it up after they realize their fruitless efforts?

If this is possible, I'd be willing to donate my time and knowledge to help the chinese people get the info they want, and to help bring down the government in general. I always wanted to be part of bringing down a government...don't care which one, just to be part of it would be fun enough. Any government that doesn't operate in a fairly transparent manner, even ours, should be brought to its knees in front of the people.

$10 says MSNBC censors this comment. Not to worry, it's on my blog as well, and forwarded to my chinese friends.

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Greg Friedman — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:06:13 GMT

Thank you for your continued coverage of events in Tibet. I wanted to comment on the video interview with the reporter from The Economist on the Tibet protests.
I was surprised at his being given exclusive access on 3/14 to Lhasa, apparently (according to him) when no other foreign correspondents were there. After listening closely to what he is saying, though, it becomes clear why he was let in. His words paint a very benign picture of the Chinese authorities and their response to what is happening. He fully immerses himself in several myths about China's occupation of Tibet, and in the process ends up as, at best, an apologist for China, and at worst a virtual mouthpiece. His claim that China merely hasn't grasped that Tibet is culturally very different from China--and that this simple lack of cultural sensitivity is at the root of the conflict--rings hollow. China knows very well the deep cultural and religious differences. They have no respect for them, is all. In fact, their entire approach has been to gradually water down the Tibetan culture, through mass immigration of ethnic Chinese, restrictions on religious worship and education, etc. The railroad, which The Economist reporter touts as if it had been an altruistic gift from China to the Tibetans (and for which they are, to his mind, incomprehensibly unappreciative) is Tool #1 in this effort. What may appear to outsiders as noble economic stimuli by China is in fact a conscious plan of gradual cultural genocide. Finally, he describes the looting and destruction of non-Tibetan owned businesses by Lhasa youth as "clearly racist". In the strictest sense of the word, yes, the attacks were aimed at specific ethnicities. Yet the word "racist" carries with it a connotation of oppression; racism has significant impact only when the attackers have the upper hand in society. In Tibet, this is clearly not the case. It is, in fact, the Chinese occupation of Tibet which has been, and continues to be, racist.

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Holiday, FL — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:15:00 GMT

So the Chinese censor their broadcasts. So what? News censorship is prevalent all over the world. Including in the US. It's simply more subtle here. Just because Americans have the First Amendment they think they have free access. I have been keeping track of foreign News Services for over ten years. I watch two from Europe and one from South America. Let me tell you: our news services are very heavily censored (voluntarily or not), specially post-9/11 and post-Iraq. Never, EVER confuse 'Freedom of Speech' with 'Lack of Censorship'!

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Mark Dixon Rowley — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:47:50 GMT

Why not give the monks the holy grail?
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fred tiffin ohio — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:08:08 GMT

i was told by one of my older work buddies that he thinks American children will get to live in the best communist country in the world.

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randy sanders phoenix az — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:22:14 GMT

Today Team Tibet, The Tibetan Basketball Team announced That it will no longer participate in The 2008 Beijing 'genocidal' Olympics. after much socratic debate and Free Speech which is being denied To Their fellow country who are still imprisoned within Tibet, proper, The Team unanimously announced That They will now boycott The 2008 Olympic events. with chants of 'Long Live The Dalai Lama' and 'Tibet is Free' The Team Dharma Leader announced Their withdrawl from This event, and reciprocally asks That China withdraws its Troops from The foreign occupation of Tibet.

see This link for The Team photo:

[IMG]http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/bazooka_pbaz/Tibet%20Basketball%20Team/TibetanBasketballTeamwebs04.jpg[/IMG]

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Soni B, Toronto, Canada — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:32:45 GMT

I'm glad to see that some people know censorship exists everywhere. I am saddened by the violent confrontation, even as I realize some feel there is no other solution. Occupation is never pleasant. Freedom from Occupation is even less. Please, let's try to remember our history.

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JP, Rexburg, Idaho — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:38:08 GMT

What I can't believe is how many people actually think American TV is itself not censored by the FCC at certain moments, especially politically charged show such as the Daily Show.

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Marge Griffin — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:22:15 GMT

this situation is certainly not a new and unexpected event, the Chinese have forever kept the Tibetans in virtual bondage. Tibet would/could be one of the worlds most beautiful and peaceful countries , but for China. Now, this uprising is not surprising. The Dalai Llama has been in exile for many years, not a choice on his part. The olympic games to be held in China should be boycotted until or unless the Chinese reach some sort of peaceful co-existant relationship with the Tibetans.

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Oceanside, Ca — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:37:55 GMT

y major concerns are the ethnic cleansing that took place since the Tiennamen square incident. They fooled the Tibetan Exiled govt. with Tibet's reconstucion of the culture mainly the destoyed 16000 monasteries. We stay next to Mayan civilization to Native Americans Indians.We are being extinct yet we are still breathing this kind of notion stabs our wounds.

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guest — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:39:28 GMT

I have to admit, Bejing was probably not a good choice for places to host the olympics. Still, everyone seems overly critical of them. The United States and other countries have censorship, and human rights issues as well. Until you can see 'The Assasination of Richard Nixon' in the United States, I dont think they have alot of room to talk. American media is just as bad, if not downright misleading half the time. If anything I imagine whatever media would inflate and fuel the situation in Tibet, not improve it in any way. In those kinds of situations, I think the Chinese have some right to block it.

The last thing we need though, is other countries trying to interfere or impose something upon the Chinese. Its their country. I think it would be wrong to boycott the olympics to protest how the Chinese are running THEIR OWN country. Unless many countries do it, only the ones who choose to boycott, the only loss will be on the part of those that choose to. And whoever suggested 'proxy servers', its not like the US nor anyone else has any right at all to do that, and anyhting like that would just end up blocked as well, or land a lot of Chinese people in jail. People who make comments like saying they want to 'Bring down the Chinese government' is exactly why they have censorship in the first place. They're just not helpful, and dont go against the peace and stability that it is far more beneficial to preserve, despite some of the Chinese short comings.

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Wei, Beijing, China — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:09:31 GMT

Could I say Hail Hilter and Death to all Jews in any any of you western media?

Do I want my children to read all those great great Paris Hilton news?

Could I report Middle-east in such a way: Palestanians are suppressed for so many years by Israelis, they want freedom, and so all the things: killing, no, murdering innnocent persons are justified and any subsequent police action is barbarian and cruel and suppressive?

Why no western media just remind you that at least thousands of tibets and monks had crossed the line, and falled into what you categorized as terrorists, by beating, killing, murdering innocent people?

And, oh, cencorsip to our dear MSNBC or BBC or CNN, but why, as a normal chinese, an employee of a foreign-invested R&D company without any government links, how could I read all this? Is it a deja vu?

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Wei, Beijing, China, — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:10:47 GMT

"Your comment or rating has been received. However, due to caching and moderation, it may not be displayed right away. "

Ha, great freedom of speech without cencorship, if only the cencorship is done by yourself.

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Young Chang — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:42:13 GMT

Good lord, the reporter from The Economist is become "at worst a virtual mouthpiece(of China)". How low can you go?

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Young Chang — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:48:40 GMT

If your message can not post on internet right away, you are censored. I am not saying the Chinese government should censor my voice. However, if my post were censored here, then you should not attacked them for doing the same thing. Please attacked the Chinese for something else, like, the lead toy.

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Joey — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:59:19 GMT

I love General Tso's chicken.

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Mark,PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:24:44 GMT

guys,please read more about china's culture and history before you post your opinions. If US can help china boost economic better than china's government's doing, which more than 10% of GDP every year, we are pleased to have an American leader. Tibet is the poorest and brutalest area in the world, people there are completely lack of education which means they don't have personal thinking ability and they are easy to be spiritally controlled, especially for the monks. So let us teach how to think first. back to 70's, if chinese people were well educated at that time, how could the culture evolution happened?! actually, we are enjoy the economic development now. Somehow, more and more chinese are getting wealth than American do. I work at PA, i have seen so many people are struggling for food.

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Stephen Riter, Taipei, Taiwan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:38:18 GMT

Americans are highly responsible for supporting the repressive Communist regime every time they buy a product made in China. Every product is laden with taxes which go to the government there to pay for the genocide of any culture they desire to eliminate. Seems to me the so-called Free World allowed Hitler to march into Poland, too in 1939, with little to no protest from anyone. Stop supporting Communism and a repressive regime by not buying made in China goods and perhaps we can do a little to slow them down.

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cathy — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:50:53 GMT

you are biased!your comments are chidish and inconsiderate!

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BD — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:52:27 GMT

Well Wayne it is Friday 28 Mar and so far no censors...but you still may very well be right...

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Zhuan Shen, Tokyo, Japan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:55:44 GMT

I am a Chinese living out of China. I do feel our government is stupid regarding their media control, but I also so very fed up by all the negetive and prejudice reports in western media once it comes to affairs related to China. I am not a nationalist but I would appreciate all kinds of voices with enough facts to support their views. And all the voices should not coming from just one side. Media has the responsibility to show the truth without select.
So, what happened with the group of international reporters who entered Tibet?? Besides the interviews of the Monks, where are the other voices and people that they interviewed?

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John, Morgan Hill, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:02:11 GMT

China is the most brutal large country in the world. Women are forced to have abortions if their pregnancies are unauthorized. Dissidents of many kinds, including those who practice unapproved religions, are jailed or worse.

Why the US and other "advanced" countries continue to turn a blind eye is obvious ... there seems to be money to be made. US consumers mostly only seem to care about low prices and not about how those low prices are achieved.

The "every country has censorship" argument is misleading and wrong headed.

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Support Freedom — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:05:26 GMT

The shame is that in spite of China's increasing genocide of the people, religion and culture in Tibet, as well as at home in China and around the world in Burma and Darfur--that the world leaders pretend it's nothing serious. After the Holocaust, the world pledged "Never gain", yet by allowing the Olympics to be China's reward for slaughter, the world leaders are encouraging China to continue their Holocaust. Demand your leaders take real action. Move the Olympics to a free country or at least boycott it. And athletes have a duty not to smile at tyranny, but to shout "Free Tibet" as they get their medals.
http://www.conservativeusa.org/action.htm

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Peter K, San Francisco, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:12:09 GMT

The notion that the construction of the railroad to Tibet is in fact a conscious plan of gradual cultural genocide is ludicrous. Why can't people accept the common-sense possibility that it may facilitate the movement of people and goods for the good of everyone? If China keeps Tibet isolated and undeveloped I am sure the West will condemn China too. I just feel the West is biased against China and from its historical atrocious behavior in China it does not deserve to have the moral high ground to lecture China on so called human rights. And the British and the French governments were the worst offenders. Go to the museums in those two countries and see how much treasures were looted from China. Then go to the museums in China and try to find art objects from the West. Does it tell you something? After they are done with looting they agreed on a Hague Convention to ban war spoils. It's just so much hypocrisy. The biased views of the governments in the West filter down to the news media and then to the people, most of whom are conditioned to blindly believe what the media says about China without bothering to verify its accuracy or analyze objectively. This situation will get worse as China is getting stronger.

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bing,fullerton,ca — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:14:25 GMT

Don't believe any news.No one is telling the truth.

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BD — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:25:44 GMT

Perhaps Dali Lama is no saint, perhaps the Chinese Government is Stalinist. My problem is lack of freedom of self determination and information. Dunno what these old guys are afraid of. It is not the end of the world not to pursue your own self interest. It is the beginning of a better life. Help, not hinder.

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Colynn Burrell. Shenzhen. China. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:39:59 GMT

Robert,
If any radio station on this planet deserved blocking it was Voice of America in the 40's, 50's and 60's. And right through the American defeat in Vietnam. It wasn't voice of USA. It was voice of CIA and the United Stated did everything then that the Chinese are doing now.

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james, san fran, ca — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:43:27 GMT

HAHAHA...that is some pretty poor acting by that monk in the video. arn't monks suppose to be peaceful and non-violent? so whatsup with all these violent and racially motivated attacks on chinese people in tibet?

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Colynn Burrell. Shenzhen. China. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:48:43 GMT

Greg.
Name some of the cultural and religious differences between Tibet and China.
Wayne
My wife is Chinese. The first words she spoke clearly in to me in English were 'Weapons of mass distruction". Learned by accident while I was glued to the Blair and Bush broadcast propaganda. Who would not like to return to those days and censor thes two accomplished liars.

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Steve, Ukiah, CA. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:56:39 GMT

The Chinese government needs to be shown as the totalitarian bully that it is. It wants to get all of the notiriety for being a world power while hosting the Olympics while continuing to suppress the people of Tibet and supporting genocide in Darfur. I for one, do not intend to watch or follow this year's Olympics and hope that this whole charade (of "One World - One Dream") gets the proper adverse exposure that it deserves.

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Harry Sauberman — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:15:46 GMT

I think it is nonsense to give legitimacy to the Dalai Lama. It is rediculous in this day and age to beleive he is some kind of "God king" and reincarnation? Please spare me! China has every right to defend its territory. The USA would not allow a state to have "autonomy" or to separate from the US. The last time that happaned there was a Civil War. The successionsts lost! Rioters in Tibet killing Han Chinese ought to be condemened by the Western press and everyone ought to support the Beijing Olympics! I say good for the Chinese governement for the way the have handled the Tibet rioters! I will see you all in Beijing for the Olympics this Summer!

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LeRoy, LA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:19:53 GMT

That reporter from The Economist did a great job. Otherwise people in western world only can hear one voice that never mentioned 5 young girls were burned to death by monks or part-time monks...That'd be another type of censorship.

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Lost Faith, IND — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:36:10 GMT

I'm quite interested in Friedman's comment. So what you are saying is that, the attacks on the specified ethnicities are justified? Because they have the upperhand in the society?

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Mox Factor, Hong Kong — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:04:20 GMT

It's no different when you notice all these Americans in the comments claiming how much they think they know about a situation, when their news is easily as obfuscated as mainland Chinese news, albeit in a less transparent fashion. It's very clear how ignorant people have become considering that one of the leading news manufacturers, CNN, has created a public scandal with their riot photos, and people continue to support this cause blindly while condemning cultures they know very little about. For those wishing to flame, it's a fact Communist China is blatantly filtering news. However, what you are representing is a country who claims ideals far better yet ends up being equally biased.

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Al, Seattle — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:10:05 GMT

It is obvious that all media in the world is bias. The fact that all the Western power is so eager to critize China is obviously part of some political posturing to keep the up coming China down. All the Western powers have blood stain on their hands. It wasn't that long ago that the West was trying to cut up China for their own greedy needs. I must remind everyone that the Chinese culture has a trait of remembering things for a long, long time. When they have finally achieve super power status, its time for pay back in their mind. That would mean one simple thing - conflict. I hate to say this but pay back is a bitch. Remember the what the bible said.

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George, San Jose, Ca. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:26:02 GMT

To the radio operator that said China blocked VOA & BBC broadcasts. Have you recently tried listening to Radio Havana Cubs? Who do you think tries to block their broadcast? Yep, USA. So just remember, EVERYONE is putting out propaganda, and everyone is trying to block each others transmissions, if they can.
China a repressor? I agree, but whatabout the "mistake" of nuclear fuses being sent to Tiwian by the US? Gee, we made a mistake? I think Not!
I think we should wake up to "double standards" and that we, USA can do no wrong! We do many wrongs! Unfortunately like most other countries, it's all about GREED! IRAQ has OUR oil! China forced one of our planes down when over their territory, what do you think we would do if a chinese plane flew over the USA? Let it continue? I think not! So whatever standards we choose to impose upon others, be reminded, those same standards should apply to us. Example: Don't start a war unless you are physically threatened. Ok, say not threatened, we bomb someone for no reason, so it's ok for someone to bombus without reason,,,Fair is fari!

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John Wiser, Maryland — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:39:47 GMT

Chinese government is being naive trying to block the news of Tibetan protest in 21st century. Nobody would believe the story told by the Chinese government because of the censorhip. There is nothing wrong of sending troops to stop the riot and arrest protesters who started the violent acts. The Chinese government really need to open up the media, if they want people around the world to believe their stories.

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Joe Doran — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:44:49 GMT

Thanks Greg Friedman for making some sense of the situation.... It seems one only has to scream the word racist, and in this PC world of ours, it must be the correct assertion... after all, racists are bad, right!! Meanwhile, this blog is a bit of a farce if you are not allowed to attack the comments of others as stated at the bottom of this page....so I'll do it indirectly instead. No one ever said the U.S. is perfect. In fact, far from it. However, if you want transparency in the media/government, the best chance of that happening is in the U.S. This is pretty slow to develop as the motivation to maintain the status quo is very strong, even in our "open" society. Still, the absence of scrutiny in some governments does not let others off the hook. By that logic, we would never have brought down the likes of Eliot "Hooker" Spitzer. Yes, it's slow to develop and not many perpetrators are caught, but at least some scum is distilled out of the quagmire. I don't think there is a thinking man or woman with half a brain in their head that thinks otherwise.

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George, San Jose, Ca. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:45:59 GMT

I suggest, before we start "bashing" other countries on their behaviors we first try to apply the same yardstick to ourselves. Propganda, everyone does it! Censorship, everyone does it! Wire tapping and intercepting cell phone messages and frecording them, everyone does it!
Chine wants Tiwan, we want Iraq. China wants to topple Tibet, we want to topple Chavez. Remember the "Sandanesta Freedon Fighters" sponsered by good ol USA,and where did we get the money for that? Yep, intercepted drug monies!
Who is the greatest and largest supplier of weapons of mass destruction? USA! So gee, Saddam was suspected of having WMD, but we sell them! I guess we had to eliminate him because he was cutting into our trade!
Look within and apply those same standards before you critize others.

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John Wiser — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:58:24 GMT

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Well written article about Tibet.

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Higulese45 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:43:58 GMT

Its great that The China leaders are starting to realize that they, like the rest of us, are human being on this fragile planet! Bad press to them is intolloerable! The sooner they lose face-totally- their egos will hopefully crumble and we may all enjoy freedom & the Olympics. But it's up to them to leave Tibet alone. Remember THEY INVADED the country, mainly as they saw it as a country to exploit for the Chinese voracity for its natural resources.( check out Sth Africa acqusitions). The Tibetans are just an expendible item to their program of survival, the rest of the world can all go to hell as far as they are concerned! Unfortunately, even given the phone call by the soon to be EX-president & giving him cuedos for doing so,it all boils down to the economic factors. If China wants to call in its huge FX 'investment'in $US paper(worthless), it would herald the total coillapse of the USa economy, & no one can let that happen. So, like most struggles they will be resolved so neither party will 'loose face'. Poor Tibetans! They will be thrown to the dogs if history is to repeat itself. FREE TIBET- Om Mana Padme Hung!

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BEE FENG — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:45:17 GMT

DURING THE OLYMPICS,AT THE TIME WHEN CHINA'S SECURITY FORCES ARE IMPLEMENTING THEIR BROADWAY QUALITY SHOW TO DECEIVE THE FREE WEST,THE INTELLECTUAL ELITE OF THE PRO-DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT WILL BE ORGANIZING MASSIVE PROTESTS HOPING TO REPLICATE THE SOCIAL AND HISTORICAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LET TO THE COLLAPSE OF THE EASTERN BLOCK COUNTRIES. THIS IS CHINA'S MAIN CONCERN-A DOMINO TYPE OF EFFECT LEADING TO THE COLLAPSE OF THE COMMUNIST REGIME. LITTLE TIBET WILL PAY THE PRICE AND WILL LIGHT THE TINY SPARK TO THE GIANT FLAME OF FREEDOM AND REFORM. THE CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED OLYMPIC STADIUM SHOW WITH THE RED DRAGONS AND THE FANCY FIREWORKS WILL NOT BE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO DISTRACT HUMANITY'S ATTENTION TO THE COMMUNIST REGIMES PERSECUTIONS, ARRESTS, BEATINGS, DISAPPEARANCES AND EXECUTIONS OF THE BRAVE PEOPLE THAT DARED TO STAND AGAINST A BRUTAL DICTATORSHIP. FOR ONE RARE TIME IN HISTORY, THE WEST WILL GET A PRECIOUS OPPORTUNITY, REMINISCENT TO THE ONE OF EAST GERMANY'S 1989 COLLAPSE
TO CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THE FREE MEDIA AND BRING REAL CHANGE.

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mikey,west is better — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:56:49 GMT

lol man if your trying to compare things here in the west with the crap going on out east then you more lost then a eskimo looking for a blizzard in a sand box

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James, Newport, Oregon — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:07:38 GMT

Live never ceases to amaze me. somebody said boycot China's Olympic games.. U know that might be a good idea, but what of the little people, the guy who has spent the last 3 years building his portion of the stadium in China's capital city.. I mean really who gives a f*** here what gies on there in Tibet. Evil things, like murders to innocent ladies going to college, child abductions, high cost of oil. Time & place people.. Just maybe do you think the perople in Tibet have a real issue with China.. if so let them deal with it.. I personally do not care what goes on there. There is things here in this country that needs dealing with. like electing a good president, and placing the current one on trial for crime's against the people of Afganistan & Iraq.. goes to show what believing in a god or in the presidents belief in chist.. follow the 10 rules.. if you dare..

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Eileen Martin — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:48:58 GMT

China is finished.

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kevin green, Newark NJ — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:40:40 GMT

There should be an immediate boycutt by America's athletes to protest the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq by the United States under George Bush. More than 100,000 innocent civilians have been killed by the American military forces,due to indescriminant bombing and shooting of civilians. America's actions in Iraq are disgusting. The Olympics are too important of a political platform to not protest America's actions in Iraq. Join us in our protests during the Games. Make your voice heard: USA OUT OF IRAQ NOW!

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Anne David, Dallas, Texas — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:34:50 GMT

All I can say is:
Leave Tibet be and let them sort it out among themselves. Do a Prime Minister Chamberlain. Maybe the Chinese will remember that when they start targeting their next victims and leave us 'til last.

All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good people do nothing.

If that doesn't sit well with you, then STOP buying items marked "made in China", stop buying from companies which do business there and BOYCOTT the Olympics. Don't go, don't watch, don't purchase ANY Olympic items.

And write, call, text, e-mail your representatives in government at every level. Tell them to remember that this is an election year and if they stay soft on the Commies they can be replaced. Judging by their actions, even a hamster would do a better job.

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Wei — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:00:32 GMT

"SEND A COMMENT
PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others."

See above? This is called cencor and it is on msnbc, so you think you have free and fair media in US, proved you are wrong.

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w, london, uk — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:06:29 GMT

boycott Olympic, I think you should drop that stupid, because the chinese authority may simply drop the olympic and kill all tibetan instead, haha.

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William Sabin, Cedar Rapids Iowa — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:04:26 GMT

Is the Chinese Government a repressive regime, or what?

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wenbo,wuhan,China — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:05:52 GMT

Lier CNN,Disgusted CNN!
I'am a normal China younger !
If you want to know the true facts!Please come to China to see in your eyes!
Don't believe the reporter on the CNN!Believe your eyes!
http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/148/69/80/7_1.html

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Phil R. Erie Pa — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:08:05 GMT

Maybe if everybody boycott Walmart we could crumble China's economy.??

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Hui, HK — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:20:11 GMT

Try to think why Dalai Lama speaks English rather than Chinese or Tibetan. Some American seems teaching Dalai Lama pretty well English. That is the real one 'has been to gradually water down the Tibetan culture'.

I like Tibetan and their religion. I read the book 'The Life and Death of Tibet'. As I know, Chinese majority has never thought Tibetan is any other kind of people. We are living in the same country and develop the country together. We have contment and complain like any other country's people. This is the fact. From my view, the even is more likely to be Dalai Lama use other's faith to achieve personal political purpose.

Is western social system perfect? Do Asian and Afrian people really acquire equal opportunity in work and society? If not, Please take care of yourself first.

I have lived a lot of place in the world. I have been to Tibet and I believe the government of china though nothing is perfect. I can see the whole thing without any 'Censorship'. And the words above are my point.

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Minh Chanh, SanDiego, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:45:26 GMT

No doubt. 2008's Olympic in China will be cloudy.
There always will be pros and cons on Tibet issues. But who is the real victim here? The Tibetan. No one should judge this issue based on the medias, but the actual Tibetan. They are the real voice. The rest are just ???. Think....Think...Think....Before you judge.

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Tao Zhang, Shanghai, China — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:15:22 GMT

I am almost sure that those are blindly criticizing China or Chinese Government have never been on this Land. Welcome to China!

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JP — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:29:39 GMT

Article in rebuttal to Michael Parenti article A Lie Repeated - The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=425

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Jon Sterre — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:38:06 GMT

Has everyone realized that censorship on Tibet in China has the effect on reducing racial hatred among Han Chinese ("Whites" in China) in China? Think about it, if Blacks attack White Americans, I bet you that many whites will line up in front of gunshops as in the case of katrina. Police will certainly shoot those who attempt to stab them.

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gannan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:29:56 GMT

I'll agree with the contributor, that asked why the Olympics are even being staged in China.

China needs to be told to go pound sand.

Captains of industry in these United States need to wise the F*** up, and get completely out of China.

China, is an adequate market unto itself. We need to pull all our industry and technology out, and let them build their own infrastructure, factories and the like... Any state as repressive as communist China, [[ are you listening, radical islam ?? ] needs to be cut off cold from the rest of the free world, until such time as they discover that their form of government died with the Soviet Union.

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Gary — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:36:43 GMT

I don't believe there is a perfect Govenment in this world. And every govenment will use all tools to control the country. I support China govenment.

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Madonna Kramer Alamo, Texas — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:24:09 GMT

There are terrible and unhuman things going on in China. The catholic church cannot practice openly there without persecution. I believe the games for August should be boycotted. We need to stand up to the Chinese Goverment. Our country isn't perfect but it is still the best place to live in the world.

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Lee Pao — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:24:51 GMT

The US President will find himself in the same situation Reagan did in the late 80's when the Soviet Block fell. It will be a historic moment that the US must capture ahead of the Olympics. These Olympics will be the bloodiest in history. Communism in China will crumble.

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Madonna Kramer Alamo, Texas — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:25:20 GMT

I already typed my message. What happened to it?

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Frank Lau of Malaysia — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:05 GMT

Most msg here against Chinese interest are posted by people ignorant of world affair. Being fed with cheoraographed protests and paid articles in the media; to them chinese are guilty before committing crime, just like the Indian and Negro before them. Luckily they have emerged from these bully and they can take care of themselves now. The real problem in tibet is not what is being told in the media, if you believe in it you will slowly go into a conflict and regret like the case of Iraq.
Apparently China is ready to open its door to everyone through hosting the Olympic. There is no deny that one way to move the humnanity forward is to understand the truth, interact with strangers and judge for oneself instead of being fed digested news. Yet some are trying to persuade other not to use this time tested way of seeking peace for the goood of humanity. So think again what they have in mind? By the way, chinese have thousand years of continuous history and culture and they can survive very well by not knowing a words in English, yet they are eager to learn it to understand the outside world, they have good attitude. Do you have it too?

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lee,fredericksburg,va — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:54:10 GMT

About ...when will we americans stop buying their products.When will walmart stop sending 18 billions a year to China for products we buy?
The real strenght is in the money and China now has enough of our dollar to influence the value of it...
People need to look at the economics of the world to see where power is. The chinese people are working 12 hours a day doing meaningless work to bring americans their toys...I have stopped buying made in China and just do without if necessary...boycott Walmart to start with.

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lee,fredericksburg,va — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:06:08 GMT

It seems not everyone agree about Tibet. Go back to history and look at why the Dalai lama had to leave.
Why do China insist that TIBET is part of their land?
Are they taking resources from there? Are they repressing the people?
What are the facts about TIBET...and the history.
This question is for the chinese readers to answer.

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Robert Ozolins, Seattle, WA — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:26:26 GMT

For nearly 50 years - up until 1991 - the three European Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania were in the same situation as Tibet is today: occupied by an aggressive, genocidal communist regime. These three nations were illegally & brutally occupied and annexed to the colonial Soviet Empire. My parents fled their Latvian homeland as refugees and found sanctuary in Sweden. Madman Stalin threatened the King of Sweden that if he didn’t return these Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians the USSR would occupy Sweden. Unfortunately the Swedish King was afraid of Stalin and began sending the refugees back. Naturally those who were returned were shipped off to Siberia where most of them died.
Ten percent of the Latvian population: teachers, businessmen, artists, students anyone who was intelligent – were deported by cattle cars to the concentration camp gulags throughout the former USSR. Dissidents were physically and mentally tortured, maimed and murdered. Russian was the language of occupation. Flying the national flag or singing the Latvian anthem – God Bless Latvia - was forbidden.
Tibet has the same story as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Instead of deportation the Chinese just turned Tibet into a big police-controlled prison. While the Baltic nations have regained their independence, sadly Tibet is still under the oppressive Chinese communists. Tibet was occupied by another of the 20th century’s evil demonic beings – namely Chairman Mao. Naturally, Stalin supported Mao’s rise to power; Stalin also encouraged Mao to brutally occupy Tibet; by the way Stalin and his ally Hitler also began World War II. In this new millennium isn’t it time to stop the hate, the ignorance and the greed?

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Utahreb, Veyo, UT — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:25:34 GMT

Why do e trade with and travel to China, a Communist country, and are not allowed to trade with and travel to Cuba? China has exported many foods and items around the world that are poisonous and deadly. I have read some Chinese posters that brag that if we do not buy "Made in China" we would not be buying anything! I, for one, will not watch the Olympics on TV and check every item I buy to see where it is made. No, we are not perfect, but better than China.

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Steve, New York, NY — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:35:40 GMT

First, I see so many people writing about Censorship in America. But they do not seem to ever clarify what TYPE of censorship the FCC enforces in America, they only seem to throw the word out to bolster there arguments. The ONLY censorship the FCC enforces, on the media in America, is censorship against the use of bad language, like F@#$k and S@#t, etc... The FCC also never blacks out or shuts out any media in America, they take the companies to court and fine them for money! Perfect example of Americas "Free Media" is talk shows like Howard Stern. Even though they are now on Satellite Radio, which censors bad language very little, they used to have to censor themselves, the proverbial delay and "Beep" when someone said a bad word like F@#k you. So everyone that actually is delirious enough to think the FCC censors anything but bad language, wake up and stop trying to compare American media with censorship tactics of a communist country like China. America is a country where anyone can go on the radio, TV or now satellite and curse out our own president! You will here a lot of "Beep" Bush he sucks "beep" balls and his policies "beep" suck, but it would air and the FCC was not the one censoring the broadcast, it was the actual station because they do not want to get fines by the FCC for all the bad language. Some moron brought up 9-11 and censorship. I live in NY and lived through 9-11 and perfect example of Americas free media is when they showed Arabs, from Brooklyn, jumping up and down with joy, celebrating the attack on America. It aired on the News for everyone to see and you know what? The Arabs in Brooklyn are still there, they were not hurt nor were they asked to stop and no one bothered them. Why? because it was there constitutional "freedom of speech" right to say what ever they wanted to say. Now, can you actually compare that kind of freedom with a country like China? I think not! Everyone on this blog can say whatever they want and the FCC will not black out this website. Its funny when foreigners talk about American freedoms but never lived here. Wake up and smell the "beep"ing coffee.

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VIC HOLIMAN TRIMBLE MO. — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:10:21 GMT

I WISH ALL CITZENS OF THE U.S.A. WOULD GET TOGETHER ON A WEBLOG AND REVEIW THE ARTICLE, COMPLETELY, ON BUSH'S WAR ON PBS! GIVE YOUR IDEAS ON WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US, AND WHATCENSORSHIP HAS DONE TO THE U.S.A. OUR ECONOMY, CREDIBILITY,ACCOUNTABILITY, OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON D.C. I THINK A FULL INVESTITATION AND PROSECUTION IS APPROPRIATE. TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT LOSS OF LIFE AND PERMINTLY DISABLED! FAMILIES SUFFERING LOSSES FOR EVER. V.P. CHENEY'S RESPONSE,"THEY VOLUNTEERED"!!!! I CAN NOT BELIEVE WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THE LAST 7.5 YEARS!!!!! THANK YOU, VIC

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Cleve R. Expat — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:11:00 GMT

EVERY government of the world, by their nature, is TOP. That's tyranny, opression, and persecution. EVERY single one, and one of the worst is the USA, which cleverly hides it all.

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Helen, Jiuquan, Gansu — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:16:14 GMT

Nice to see comments from everyone. That's the way I judge level of censorship! I've been trying to see some honest debate on ABC and Yahoo about Tibet and it just hasn't been there. I felt that the Chinese Media was balanced in presenting Western and Eastern points of view on CCTV9, which is online for you English speakers. Compared to the drivel I had to listen to for years about the noble Iraqi War from the US, China media is refreshing.

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Johnson — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:16:28 GMT

Jack Smith, Thank you. An honest view. To so many others- Ignorance breeds contempt. Whose propoganda baited your opinion?

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I'd rather not disclose — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:23:43 GMT

I'm from China and I know something happened in that region but considering the goverment's tradition on the media and the long-time rancor the west hold against us, I'm unsure of the truth. Anyway, the gov. has already started a campaign againstforeign medias. There's actually an anti-cnn website built.
By the way,I'm not using a proxy to visit this worldblog which msnbc says to have been blocked.

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Raphy, Shanghai China — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:57:04 GMT

First, I am coming from Shanghai, China. I read msnbc and this blog without any problem. (I do find the site was blocked or slowed 2 weeks ago right after the 3.14 event.)

Second, I sympathize the Chinese government couldn't invent words like 'embeded' reporter and copy the story book how US started the Iraq War under a biggest lie in mordern world; I woder the the choice of words by western media, what's the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism? US does staged show and propaganda too and it just does it in a more subtle and professional way. Remember, China is still a developing country.

Third, I know China is not a perfect country and do admit the Tibet is a complex issue than the government portrayed. But the unbalanced western reports easily make normal Chinese feel this is the PR war against China instead of against the commist government.

Fourth, confrontation (boycott) will only make Tibet case worse. This will certainly make Chinese resolve stronger and China can/should certainly revenge towards those who wants make China lose face.

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Nancy, Acton, California — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:17:58 GMT

WOW, I just finished reading
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
Makes you rethink your opinion of China and Tibet. Thanks for the link.

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Sofia Walsh, Seattle, Wash — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:28:44 GMT

I agree with jack Smith. As a Far Eastern Asian history and literature major...
China actually held Tibet as an AUTONOMOUS (independently-government run) region since the 13th century. In the 20th century, a failed Qing Dynasty and failing nationalist party (as well as the West's invasion of China...and attempted invasion of Tibet) led to China's ignoring Tibet. Tibet was extremely poor; China has poured endless amounts of funding into Tibet to raise it up. Still, propoganda from Western media, which has taken a liking to the Dalai Lama (partly because he was educated in the West).

I am not saying Tibetans are crying for no reason. That they want complete independence is a LEGITAMATE cry. But they do have religious freedom there. However, what the Tibetans want is a complete theocracy...which is the opposite of religious freedom, actually...and the right to OWN ALL OF 'ETHNIC' TIBET.

This means that Tibet doesn't just want the Tibet that is shown of the map. It wants all land with Tibetans living in that land; since Tibetans can move freely between Tibet and the rest of China, giving into the whole 'ETHNIC' Tibet deal will swallow A LOT of mainland China too.

This itself isn't bad; the whole thing with everyone being subjected to a certain way of thinking (a.k.a. theocracy) might not be that great. Plus, it'll be kind of hard to raise that area up and out of poverty then, since the funding will be gone.

Anyway, I just thought it might be useful to share this information. I am neutral on the matter, by the way.

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Noah Schumaker, Fairmont WV — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:16:19 GMT

Well, the fact is regardless of what is said, words mean nothing. Actions are what matter. Will any of you take any action? Will anybody anywhere really take any action? So far only the rioters and those sent to stop the riots are actually taking action. Is either party taking the right actions? Nope. Probably no where close from the looks of it.

There is only one way to make the world a better place. Get off the computer, turn off the television and make yourself a better person. "How does this affect what happens in Tibet?", you say. I'll tell you how. So long as people remain sedated by their media that takes up their lives nothing will ever change. While the government in China may be criticized for censoring the news from those who want the truth, the fact is we in the this "great country" of America don't need heavy censoring by our government. We're more than happy to be overloaded by our shows and gossip. People may complain about the war in Iraq, but how many of you that complain are doing anything about it. Any of you holding meetings with those of like minds and staging a peaceful protest? Or are you too busy watching your favorite shows and reading the latest in Hollywood gossip.

Once a week meet with people outside of the capitol of your state if you're close enough or the court house if the capitol is too far away. Never relent. Never change course. Peacefully protest the war in Iraq, the occupation of Tibet or even just that we keep sending our jobs over seas because it's "cost efficient". Who cares what it's about. Just do it! Make sure you VOTE. If you don't vote, you don't matter to politicians. If you vote for the person that is against what you're against, then all of the politicians will be against it too! It's as easy as that. They want to manipulate you. So make sure you at least get a little something out of it.

Whether it's the end of the Iraq war, a free Tibet or even just lead free toys for your kids. Heck I don't care if it's so all televisions have to made in sea foam green! JUST DO IT!!!

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Guest, Viriginia — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:49:05 GMT

I'd say Western media is very biased, too, but in a subtle way. They seem to portray different ideas, but sometimes it all subtle shades of the same color.

Take a look at the portrayals of the Palestinians versus Israelis. It's so tilted to Israeli side, it's not even funny.

When the US supported our current al-Qaeda groups in the 70s (?) against the Soviet union, we called the al-Qaeda people "freedom fighters". That's rich in propaganda.

The US and the West are arrogant, and they have absolutely NO right to criticize China or any other country.

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Sam, CA — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:03 GMT

It's a shame that some ignorant people know nothing about Chines/Tibetan history and culture, while poke their fingers at everything the Chinese government does, simply because they hate China. Chinese government did the right thing to protect innocent ethnic Han Chinese in the riots -it's something every righteous government will do when things like this happen.
You think Tibet was the purest Shanri-la? What to know the truth about Tibet before 1959? Watch this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJY1eK9jQ28&e

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bill, NYC NY — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:14:46 GMT

china needs to take responsibility for it's actions...

there is great potential, as an emerging superpower to create a new world politic

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Erica Lynn, Rochester, MI — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:03:58 GMT

China has been presented with the opportunity to be a role model for the world. It has, sadly, chosen to continue with it's denial of peace and oppression of its peoples basic human rights.
The majority of the people of Tibet hold the value of truth above all else. The Chinese government has denied their country this truth. It makes perfect sense that Tibetans would fight for truth and freedom.
The USA is a country who supports religious freedom and truth, sometimes unwillingly, but it is still not condemned simply because we fought for it.
As a country it is in our best interest to promote truth and religious freedom around the world.
I strongly believe that China will not stop lying to it people unless there are consequences.
The main point of this comment is to say:

If it says
"Made it China"
DON'T BUY IT!

By buying these products you are funding the military that is oppressing the Tibetans and supporting the Chinese government in there tyranny.

As for the Olympics, support the athletes. Support human achievement. Support the international press from entering China. China can’t tell them to leave once the games start…

Also, If you are from China and are reading this: Demand to be treated in accordance with your birth rights. Demand that you be told the whole truth and not what your government says you can know because they "know best". If you still want to be left in the dark and remain a puppet then continue to support you government’s choices.
If not then speak up. You can make your country what you want it to be. This goes for the US as well... please vote this election!
Keep an open mind.
By sharing ideas and insights we gain new perspective of our world and how we might go about making our countries better for the sake of our people not for our wallets.
Man kind has a long way to go and progress towards enlightenment should not be controlled by paper and coins but by truth and tolerance.

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Randy — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:14:07 GMT

A "free" Tibet is on the line, even if those folks pose no threat to China, the Government there says it is. Taiwan is in the same boat, but is will take longer as it would create world outrage if they sent in the troops. We support China as their largest buyer of consumer goods. So before you condemn them, look in the mirror.

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Peng Loo, Toronto, Ontario, Canada — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:07:55 GMT

God has blessed China to the envy of all these rumour
mongers who do not even hail from cities in the West with a large Chinese population, do not have Chinese
friends, have never seen Chinese movies or chinese operas and probably not know how to order a good Chinese meal.
How do you like to protest about French suppressed in Quebec under Canadian rule or the Hawaiians suppressed by Americans.
Ignorant people are trying to mouth opinions on a
CENSORED situation in Tibet which even the average Chinese have no idea because of the censorship.
If an American world military is running scared enough to go to war faraway in Iraq, you think China should do nothing about a bunch of monks, more trying than the cult in WACO, Texas.
You think religions are all so peaceful. I grew up seeing boys with swollen parts in school, forced on them.
Had the monks on China have their way, there would be today much less of them by birth, even worse
for poverty. At least today, hardly any beggar surround or confront the visitors particularly from the West. This is not the same as the Sioux under
Chief Sitting Bull or Crazy Horse. You are telling
China not to educate them, to feed them, built railroads, power plants, when since the Great Khan, Tibet is their province which goes much further back
than Hawaii, Alaska, the Clark Expedition and the Alamo and which is better than shipping them to the
desert. Come on, let history decide. Asians and the rest of the world remembers and know your lies.

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Shane Islam, Houston, Tx — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:52:26 GMT

I just came back from China, and I would like to tell you some thing. Ordinary Chinese do not care if there is censor ship or that some of their access is denied on the internet. They are very happy to be finally a part of a growing and prosporous country. As far as the situation in Tibet is concerned, I have a few comments.
1, Tibet is part of China, and historically been for
a long time. Same as if California decides to
secede, You think U.S. government, or even other
U.S. states would allow it? Answer is resounding
NO.
2, There is a huge censor ship in the U.S. both on
internet or airwaves. Try finding any internet
site by Hamas, Havana, Palestinian or a # of
so called objectionable sites, and you will not be
able to. Second try running a Pro PLO ad in any
newspaper in this country? see what happens?
Also CNN, BBC, or many other news media is only
broadcasting which they think their audiance wants
to see. If you are in Hong Kong, or Malaysia, or
other Asian countries, you hear and see a more
balanced version.
3, West in particular has no rights to tell China
about its Human rights issues. More people in the
history of this planets have died in wars
initiated by the Westerners, including French and
English. Read history about ethnic cleansing by
the European all over the world over the last
500 years, and it will make Chinese issues mere
inconvenience. On top of that, has any one
looked into the how the turks are treated in
Germany, or the north African in France, why
these goverment are not taking care of their
own modern human rights issues.
4, Chinese goverment to its credit done what was
needed to make such a big country successful.
They learned from the West, they are adopting all
the good things from the West, and trying to keep
all the bad things out including Paris Hilton.

When ever I travel in China, I find the people to be extra-ordinary friendly, I feel safe which I do not in most U.S. cities, and I do not see that I am being watched, or followed as a foreigner. Most government personnel are nice, and helpful. It does not mean that China does not have its share of problems, it is very polluted, and a big part of its populace is still very poor, but it took Western societies over 200 years to start caring for the environment, and taking care of its poor, why do we expect to have the Chinese do it in 25 years. We in the U.S. still consume more energy, damage the world environment, and waste resources than any other country, how we can we with a straight face tell the Chinese any thing. On top of that our society's consumer culture has survived mainly due to the cheap products coming from China, and the fact that Chinese have been buying our debt. We as a country should be great full to China, and not bash it.

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David Powell, Ocean City NJ — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:53:57 GMT

The people who try to apply moral relativism to excuse the occupation of Tibet by comparing it to Iraq miss one thing:

China wants Tibet occupied. The US wants Iraq to have a functioning, democratic, independent government. That is the key difference.

Also, if one were to believe that the US being in Iraq is wrong, would they not say two wrongs do not make a right in Tibet? China doesn't get a pass there. That said, I wonder if the Olympic Protests will merely backfire. Anyway, like Iraq, the Tibtetans deserve the chance to have self determination and democracy.

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Rodney — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:11:48 GMT

I have been to China 29 times over the last 15 years, and I have seen a country going through massive changes, mostly for the good. One of the causes for good, I believe, is the US influnce, driving them toward more transparancy and rule of law instead of rule of personality. We have this influence by means of commerce, not government force. If we reduce or trade with China, or pull out of the Olympics, the dialog and influcne of the USA will diminish, and China will not progress as much. Yes they have a long way to go, but they are progressing much faster than anyone has a right to ecxpect. By the way, internet censorship in China applies only to Chinese-language websites. The English language sites are unfettered. I have gotten on MSN and other English language sites in China without any diffculty. Since all Chinese students today must take a minimum of 8 years of English language instruction, China will lose all control of information soon. BTY, I have also been to Tibet. The repression is bad, but not as bad as often portrayed. It is a mixed bag.

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MY,Shandong,China — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:40:23 GMT

My IP address is 122.4.226.63, and I am located in Shandong provice,China. It is interesting that I can see all these things about Tibet here.

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BABU PATEL WOODSCROSS,ut,USA — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:31:46 GMT

CHINA IS NOT TIBET.
ITS A COUNTRY UNDER SEIGE. JUST LIKE CHINA WAS UNDER jAPANIN THE 40S.

SO, ALL THE GOOD CHINESE PEOPLE NEED TO THINK IS WHAT IF jAPAN WERE DOING TO THEM WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO TIBET....
TIBET IS NOT FREE, AND JUST LIKE ANY OCCUPIERS ANYWHERE ANYTIME, THE BEIJING'S SONG THAT "WE ARE DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD "DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS OF FREEDOM " HISTORY HAS SHOWN SOME DIRE CONSEQUENCES TO THOSE WHO TRIED THAT.

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William Dai — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:35:11 GMT

I am Chinese. Now let me tell you the truth. I was in Lhasa two weekd ago, and now I am living in Shanghai. What I saw in Lhasa two weeks ago are quite different from what the CNN,BBC,VOA,NBC,Washingtom Post,etc. reported. These medias reported everything aboit China with bias and unwisdom.
No country can permit violences to innocent people no matter what the riots want.
If the people in California declare independence and light fire to shops,houses and kill some innocents, what the US government would do and shoud all of us boycott the UN annual congress in New York if the US government send troops to California? If permittable, why the late President Lincoln fight with the sorthern states.
Why do not the UK let me northern Ireland break from UK?
Why did not the US government talk with terrorists after Sep.11,2001 peacefully?

What I want to say is to consider the special situations in different countries without bias. What the violators did in Lhasa are killing innocent, light fires to shops, houses and destroyed infrastructures.

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Graehame Thorne — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:46:13 GMT

This is simple. It isn't about Tibet being a paradise or the Dalai Lama being an ideal leader. Tibet is not China. Tibet historically is a sovereign nation. China invaded & imposed its rule by force, in violation of international law. The Chinese occupation doesn't even have a reasonable pretext of legality-- China conquered Tibet simply because it could do so, & China hasn't been ostracized by the other nations of the world simply because our political & business leaders see profit in dealing with the criminals who presently rule China. Those of us who don't care & don't protest are all complicit in this crime. (And to those who think China is somehow "finished", you're dead wrong. China will be the dominant world superpower by mid-century, & our failure to rein China in is now giving its leaders a taste for throwing their weight around.)

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Yusof, Malaysia — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:58:10 GMT

I see the problem in Tibet began when one more powerful nation subjugate other nation like what Israel has done to Palestine, Thailand to Pattani, Iraq, Iran and Turkey to the Kurds, Russia to Chechnya, India to Kashmir and Assam, etc, etc. Why can't these nations just respect other people/nations and give them their rights?

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John Smith, NJ — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:36:28 GMT

Occupation in Tibet? Are you really saying Iraq?

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Phila, PA — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:49:12 GMT

Everyone do your research before you start persecuting China. It's not as censored as you think it is. I was just in Beijing last summer and had more freedom there than in the US. It's so populated that you can't control anything. Also, know your facts bout Tibet. The monks were a wealthy elite class that treated Han Chinese like dogs. They killed Chinese and used the skulls for their alcohol before the Revolution came. BTW: Our "great" president GWB has censored the US media.

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Mai, Phila, PA — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:57:37 GMT

As a Chinese American reporter in the US. There really is just as much freedom of speech here than in China. Everything is censored here if you start giving the truth about politicians or anyone w/ money or power. CHina is a great country and the only reason it's getting slack is b/c WASPS like Bush and Dick try to make a profit off of Chinese people and brainwashing non-Chinese into thinking CHina is a horrible country. BTW: The monks in Tibet treated Han CHinese horribly before the Revolution came. So it's time for China to flex it's muscle to the world.

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Mike, Washington D.C. — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:29:37 GMT

So the Chinese Government agents that post here have unfettered internet access to pass the propaganda of freedom. You make me laugh now get back to stealing information off the internet.

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Beijing, China — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:01:49 GMT

The censorship here is getting worse and worse. A few weeks ago even the entire Youtube was blocked for a few weeks, and many places on the internet you couldn't go to.

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Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:44:12 GMT

Some reports are misleading

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Aidan, Dallas, TX — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:12:12 GMT

Not carrying balanced coverage in western media is just as bad if not worse censorship than the outright censorship that China practices. At least they dont pretend to be balanced.
As also was stated above, where has been the same outrage for Israeli/Palestinian struggle. Israel is an occupying force there (put in place and supported by billions of dollars of arms from the US/UK) just as the Chinese are in Tibet. Israel sealed off parts of the Palestinian territories same as the Chinese have Tiber, but I have heard little outrage there as ordinary Palestinians starve and live in darkness just as I would assume from the coverage that Tibetans do.
China is openly known to censor, tap, and track their citizens.
The US under Bush uses wiretaps from a secret court (or not) to track and tape US citizens with no public oversight (sounds like China), imprisons people without trial or charge, and is occupying Iraq.
The UK forced through the EU and just implemented a law that requires phone companies to track ALL calls made in the UK and make it available to nearly all government agencies, and next year will track ALL internet usage the same.
Where is the outrage at these?
As we criticize the Chinese (and rightly so) for their actions and prod them to change, remember that at the same time you are convieniently ignoring the same practices at home in the name of security (which is the same justification as the Chinese government uses).
History lesson:
France in Algiers and Vietnam in the 1940's-1950's
UK in India and China in the 1800's and 1900's
US in The Phillipines in the 1800's and 1900's and Iraq today
Russia in Afghanistan in the 1980's
Germany in Poland in the 1940's
Japan in China in the 1940's

Your power is in your wallet, if you dont like it spend a little more and dont buy Chinese goods, but very few people will take even that small action. Its easier just to sit and criticize and hope it all goes away.

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MX,China — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:26:23 GMT

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Yang, Chongqing,China — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:10:44 GMT

Think of over 600,000 innocent Iraq poeple has been killed by American invation for purely oil business.Think of American government and so-called justified media have blockedand silenced the voice of american anti-war mother.Think of how CNN report Tibet riot.Think of ---,You will understand what is human-rights, what is freedom and what is justice of western standard.Period!

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Jay, Philadelphia — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:18:19 GMT

Check this page out!
http://www.ourvoice.de

If you want to see what real Chinese people want, what they struggle with, GO TO CHINA. It's unbelievable how judgmental people are about China when they never been there, let alone ever talked to a Chinese person.

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Terror_Fabulous, Nogales, Arizona — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:56:30 GMT

I guess I just have to ask why everyone is acting so suprised and up in arms about Tibet/China. In the history of the world, we have experienced this over and over again. People conquer, people die, people are renewed..........please try to understand that history has repeated itself many times, because of humankind's inability to learn from mistakes.
What is happening in Tibet, is happening in other places too, South America, the Middle East, it will not stop, because it can not stop. We are humans and its the way we act. We can at times, control or minimize it, but it comes back again.
Does it mean I do not care?....of course not. But I would rather worry more about feeding hungry people. I would rather care more about making our world green again. I fear that we are all on a path to distruction that we can not turn away from. It is....afterall.....human.

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Del Gibbs, Ewing NJ — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:48:17 GMT

Why does the American leadership hate Cuba so much that they wouldn't lift the embarbo but yet cozy up to a country like China with all their atrocities. Of course Cuba has been repressive but so has a lot of other countries that we're friends with. How would you like to be a woman living in Saudi Arabia?

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PFC Theodore Z. Miller, Pyeong Taek, South Korea — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:09:24 GMT

The only hope for the Chinese is to get the international media coverage that the olympics will provide. China may be a repressive communist country, but it's so big, and the US is so wrapped up in its economy that taking a directly hostile approach to anything going on there would make no political sense, and only serve to slow down the efforts of its people to gain freedom. The "freedom" that Americans enjoy is being rapidly encroached on by the fascist Neo-cons that run our government and media. Americans should be more concerned about reading between the lines of own current political and social issues. Anyone who agrees with the patriot act or the invasion of Iraq, or who is willing to sacrifice ANY amount of freedom for security is a brainwashed coward who might as well go bow down to the Chinese government. If most Americans were in China right now, they'd buy right into the propaganda, and just continue to consume, because that's the easy way, also known as the new American way. Sit back and let the government take you for a ride. This is coming from an active duty American soldier and proud citizen. AMERICA DO NOT GIVE UP ANY MORE OF YOUR RIGHTS!!! GUNS, FREE SPEECH and the RIGHT to DISSENT ARE WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS ALL ABOUT! (or at least what it was built on).

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Michael — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:55:36 GMT

It is obvious that all media in the world is bias.

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Pee Jay, Shanghai, China — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:44:48 GMT

Dear Tao Zhang, you are a product of your nations ignorance, and growing division of the "me" society and reality, I have lived in China for many years, and see the poorest people living 50m from Gucci and LV, with children urinating and deficating in the centre of Carrefour in Shanghai, Young Chinese History Professors that dont know who Churchill or Stalin is, the Chief Medical Guy at the #1 teaching Hospital in Shanghai whos specialism is the heart, who is adamant that Aids/HIV is something that the west has made up or invented, his angio operating theatre covered in blood with used needles on the table and floor, and a weeks worth of rotting food waste pilled up outside the theatre door, he's now been arrested for corruption, this is the real oppression of the Chinese people, that the Chinese dont give a flying F***k about, as long as they are OK, so what!! China has the toughest Environmental laws in the world, hooray!! but only reaches 0.2% of any and all targets set and broadcast.

So Tibet is just a colourful window, in which the world can see what is happening every day in any town in China.

Then we see that Germany doesnt want to place sanctions on Environmental bad countries and their products, because they might offend China and the USA, both are the worlds worst pollution generators.

Money again speaks before the good of the world and human rights, so all the worlds governments can go to the olympics bearing gifts of confirmation that its OK for China to rape the world and abuse its own people, who worse, China, or the rest of the worlds Governments!!??

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Craig, nowhere, Iowa — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:53 GMT

As an American living in China,
I have to say your American News misleads the american people much more than they realise about China.
Actually I have much more freedom here than in America as well.
Oh yeah, I am working here because the American people are cheapscapes and want the best quality for lowest possiblle prices, but they are not willing to work for less to make the prices cheaper.

Hail to China, as it works to improve the peoples lives.
It is sad to see the USA fall as it gives in to the lazy people on welfare and attacks the working Man.

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Craig Nowhere, IA — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:25:52 GMT

Even this blog is censored.
PLEASE READ

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Dan Eidson, Shirley, Arkansas — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:29:29 GMT

Is DELUSION a mental factor that arises from inappropriate attention and functions to make the mind unpeaceful and uncontrolled? There are three main delusions: ignorance, desirous attachment, and anger. From these arise all the other delusions, such as jealousy, pride, and deluded doubt.

Blessings to all 'Jin gyi lob pa' in Tibetan. It is the transformation of our mind from a negative state, to a positive state, from an unhappy state to a happy state, or from a state of weakness to a state of strength, through the inspiration of holy beings such as our Spiritual Guide, Buddhas, and Bodhisattvas.
(from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso)
With Love and Compassion.

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Conroy Boykin, Greenville, SC — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:41:28 GMT

Everyone knows that China is ruled by the worst group of tyrants since Josheph Stalin and Adolph Hitler. We pay them off with trade to keep them from attacking us. So why are we so suprised when they kill the people of Tibet. Remember what happened to Rome when they tried to buy off the barbarians!!

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Gae Lindsay, Overland Park, KS — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:41:28 GMT

I do not deny that there are many causes and injustices happening in our own country and the world today. I am picking one, and speaking out about it because I care, and more important, because living in America I can. Tibetans living in their own country cannot.
This is about Tibet; its right to self governs, to have freedom from oppression, and for the world to acknowledge what has been going on there since 1949.
As freedom loving Americans, we need to boycott (and make our own government boycott) all products made in Chinese sweat shops, by Chinese workers who do not get paid enough to feed their families. Let's care about what the Chinese Government does to its own people - remember Tiananmen Square?
Then let's boycott holding the Olympics in Beijing, because surely Americans do not support a communist regime that makes war on a peaceful country, by demanding the general population give up its religion, personal possessions and rights to peaceful assembly, burning monasteries, torturing monks and nuns, (and yes, I have heard first hand accounts about what the Chinese "re-education camps" aka prisons do the monks and nuns-including electric cattle prods, rape, beatings, and starvation) decimating an entire spiritual culture, polluting the fragile eco system and generally making this once beautiful country a living hell. Surely we do not support that! We who threw tea into the Boston Harbor to protest taxation without representation, and went to war to gain our freedom from oppression, ARE going to make noise!! We are going to let the Chinese Communist Government and the world know that we think what they are doing is wrong, hurtful and inhumane. Public opinion is a powerful weapon. Let's use it for good
about Tibet; its right to self governs, to have freedom from oppression, and for the world to acknowledge what has been going on there since 1949.
As freedom loving Americans, we need to boycott (and make our own government boycott) all products made in Chinese sweat shops, by Chinese workers who do not get paid enough to feed their families. Let's care about what the Chinese Government does to its own people - remember Tiananmen Square?
Then let's boycott holding the Olympics in Beijing, because surely Americans do not support a communist regime that makes war on a peaceful country, by demanding the general population give up its religion, personal possessions and rights to peaceful assembly, burning monasteries, torturing monks and nuns, (and yes, I have heard first hand accounts about what the Chinese "re-education camps" aka prisons do the monks and nuns-including electric cattle prods, rape, beatings, and starvation) decimating an entire spiritual culture, polluting the fragile eco system and generally making this once beautiful country a living hell. Surely we do not support that! We who threw tea into the Boston Harbour to protest taxation without representation, and went to war to gain our freedom from opression, ARE going to make noise!! We are going to let the Chinese Communist Government and the world know that we think what they are doing is wrong, hurtful and inhumane. Public opinion is a powerful weapon. Let's use it for good!