'Virtual' Mideast peace as hard as real thing

rob from oakland, ca. — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:36:00 GMT

Is there a version of the game where Islam secularizes, becomes democratic, give equal rights to women, renounces violence, imprisons all who incite terrorism, allows freedom of religion, and free and open press? Perhaps schools in the Palestinian areas should incorporate such a version in their curriculum.

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Kate — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:49:13 GMT

I see that this game even comes with virtual propaganda.

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PM, Pgh, PA — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:31:10 GMT

Do you have a link to this game?

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Steve S., Springfield, Ill. — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:38:57 GMT

So, is this simulation available to the public? How do you get it?

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Tim, Tulsa, OK — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:43:26 GMT

So where is the game? And I notice that it has 'security' for an option, what about something more aggresive, such as 'military'? Is all out war a possibility, or does the game operate under the false pretext that peace is the only viable solution for a end to the violence?

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Andy DeKalb, Il — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:52:49 GMT

So what's the game called? How widely available is it?

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Mongo Lloyd, Devonia, o-HI-o — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:57:57 GMT

Sounds like a boring game. I don't think I would get a thrill by playing "Sims: Fascist v. Anarchist". I will stick with Quake 4. At least in Quake, you can easily identify who the bad guys are, and at least there are some good guys too. I am sure Quake has better weapons too. I would rather frag a few Stroggs with the grenade launcher than bulldoze a Palestinian lean-to that would fall down on its own in a strong wind.

Peace in the Middle East is a dream. It could be a reality, but there is no profit in it. That is why all efforts to date have failed, and why this latest round will fail. They aren't intended to succeed. They are intended to give the impression that there is hope for success. It is the old carrot on the string, and the United States is the donkey that keeps trudging along, investing billions, thinking just one more step and I will have it.

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Michael, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:07:22 GMT

Where did you find this game?

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brandon, l.a., ca — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:17:43 GMT

Is this game available for download. Its a wonderful idea, and something I believe to entire world should have access to.

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Mike Scharpenberg — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:25:14 GMT

Where can I find this game? Is this for PC, can this be downloaded from the internet?

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Reghart — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:40:46 GMT

I would like to play this as well...Please give us a link!

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Ben, Washington, DC — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:46:30 GMT

More importantly is there a version of this game in English?

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Vic — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:23 GMT

I played the game and tried giving the Palestinians Gaza and the West Bank, but just after we signed the accord, the game blew up my TV, quickly spread the fire to my couch, and eventually burned down my house. Virtually.

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Tim, Chicago — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:53:33 GMT

The game is called PeaceMaker. You can find it on google and buy it for about 20$.

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Paul — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:59:08 GMT

can you send me a link to this game? I don't think the article actually gives a name for the game.

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Mark Pax — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:05:07 GMT

You can find a downloadable demo version here>

http://www.peacemakergame.com/demo.php

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Eric, AJ, AZ — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:32:11 GMT

A good idea but I agree with Mongo Lloyd... not a reality. Take the business and profit out of war and I bet you'll have fewer wars - make peace big business, and profitable, and you'll have more peace - they should put that in the game. War is big business.

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Max - GO MU — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:08 GMT

It's at:
www.peacemakergame.com/

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Brandon, Toronto, Canada — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:45 GMT

There is a free demo availalbe for the game at http://www.peacemakergame.com/ which only allows the player to participate in eight moves, or the game can be purchased at the same site for twenty dollars. I have personally purchased it and would highly recommend anyone who is interested to do the same!

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Adam, NYC — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:49:30 GMT

It's never fun to play a game that you can't win.

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Ghostwhowalks, Deep in Darkest Africa — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:04:40 GMT

Is this a real game or is it a social experiment. Look at the responses you got. Ten out of 17 responders want a "freebie" link to the game of some sort and the majority of the other seven want the "nuke'em till they glow" variant of the game.
After reading the article I was stunned by the response.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:09:23 GMT

Mid East Peace. Intresting concept, but totally impossible. As long as there is oil to steal and guns to sell and poor third world people to blow-up there can be no peace. Greed is the driver and instability the vehicle.

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bill, Jax,Fl — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:22:27 GMT

Quite frankly peace over there is not possible. How can you get muslims to live in peace with a neighbor(Israel) that they have nothing in common with when they have killed each other (muslims) for thousands of years when they do have much in common?

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Patrick Buckles — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:24:25 GMT

I'm thinkin' the "game" is sarcasm..........No link is necessary.

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steve mahmoud — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:42:00 GMT

I have a game. Carpet nuke everything from Israel to China, minus India, and a great deal of trouble will be laid to rest. Actually, you can throw Turkey into that mix as well.

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Alan, Wahington DC. — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:42:36 GMT

Peace among Israelis and Palestinians is a virtual reality...you can dream about it, simulate it in a computer game but it just wont ever be a reality...too many are against it and too few are truly willing to sacrifice for it!

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John, Cherry Hill, NJ — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:32 GMT

http://www.peacemakergame.com/game.php

That is the link for the main page of the game website. I actually found it when it first came out about 3 or 4 months ago.

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Mongo Lloyd, Devonia, o-HI-o — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:00:38 GMT

GhostWhoWalks -
I read the first 17 posts. Your facts are wrong. In the first seventeen posts, there were NO demands for a free game, where you state 17 out of 10 asked for a free game link. You then state that out of the other 7 (out of 17 posts), the majority espoused the "nuke 'em til they glow" approach. By my count, there were ZERO people in the first 17 posts who espoused that view. Only one person out of 27 total posts has expressed that view.

You are "stunned" by the response? I would think so, since you obviously were so shaken up to misread all these posts, and subsequently quote facts which aren't facts. Do you happen to work for BushCO by chance? If not, maybe you should!

Valium works. Try it. You appear to need a few tabs.

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Defenestrator, Seattle, Wash — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:04:13 GMT

Peace is possible, but our friends in the Middle East need to figure out how to get to the point of trust. All the talk is about how the Palestinians need to stop with their "terrorist" tactics (as if they prefer belt bombs over having the opportunity to play army vs. army on an even scale) but there is so little talk about how much trust would be built if Israel would just stop expanding settlements. Not dismantle for now, just stop expanding. Stop expropriating land, etc.

Of course, isn't it always convenient that our allies weaken moderates allowing radicals to take over power so that we can continue oppression.

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Adam Neira — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:05:00 GMT

Scientists have recently discovered that the Rubiks cube can always be solved in only 26 moves, no matter how diabolical the arrangement seems.

Peace in the Holy Land and in fact the world is like the Rubiks Cube. There is a solution. It will take very clever and gifted people to make the right moves and work out how to tackle the problems. But G-d has given us the tools collectively to resolve the problems and to transfrom the world into a literal Ganeden. I can prove that this can be achieved by the year 2050. I am willing to deabate and prove the following facts with anyone.

(1) The universe is stable, benevolent, ordered and expansive.
(2) Violence is not innate from birth.
(3) There is enough of everything on Planet Earth to provide for 6 billion people a reasonable standard of living.
(4) Scarcity is a mindset.

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alec, NY, NYS — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:53:12 GMT

I would just like to add more questions asked by rob from oakland, ca. Does the game (i would guess not) include history of Palestine as we know it from not only Romans' time, but at least from the Balfour declaration of palestine (western and eastern)as a land for "Jewish home"? What if Jordan did not exist? What if the British allowed free jewish immigration? What if there were not Hebron pogroms of 1929? etc., etc. Add here history of relations between labor (Ben Gurion) and Likud (Jabotinsky) - an you get a $150 game with no posibility win the game of peace (only may be an Oslo aggreement)

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Alec — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:29:21 GMT

I've just seen the trailer of "Die in Jerusalem". Why is it all (or at least the most)the movies/stories, etc. about the conflict are made by the israelies, not the arabs, who've got much more money. This question, i guess, brings us to the same questions asked by rob from oakland, ca.

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D. Freeman Lincoln, Ca. — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:40:04 GMT

The latest intafada was started over Jerusalem, all parties should be required to renounce their claims to the city and it should become the first international city. All current parties seem to be able to only continue the bloodshed.

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Richard, Lyndonville, VT — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:12:17 GMT

Unfortunatly, World Peace lies in what we teach our children. Parents and teachers hold the worlds future in their hands. We need to teach the worlds children to respect others and their beliefs. This can't happen because as adults we do not do this. We cant teach our children what we dont know how to do thus we have created an endless cycle that may never be broken. There are many paths life can lead us down. Some are better than others; but none should be named wrong for they are the path we have taken.

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Aleta, Monterey CA — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:32:27 GMT

A game is not needed, the answer is so simple. Simply, apologize, then make up for any wrong that had been done. This way both sides will win peace.

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J Zelcer — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:47:09 GMT

I see that this blog also comes with propaganda...

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Islam Is the Enemy — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:58:17 GMT

It's a ridiculous game. People like war games because they get to kill all their enemies virtually and there's a way to win. Virtually making peace with your enemies and not killing them is just boring, especially since, at the end of this game, your enemies are still going to be there. This game sounds like politically correct indoctrination of the "Can't We All Just get Along" BS. As a matter fact, no, we can't all just get along. We never have and never will. We're a habitually violent species. That's why war games, war movies, and books about wars are entertaining. We like seeing our enemies getting defeated. It's too bad that in the real world Americans have lost the desire to defeat their enemies, because history shows that a nation that isn't a danger to others is always a danger to itself.

As for the Middle East, no matter what the Isrealis give to the Palestinians, the Palestinians will always want more. And if Isreal ever loses he will to defeat its enemies, it will cease to exist. Only liberal idealists think that there's such a thing as a lasting peace. And there will be no peace in the world as long as radical Muslims control the Islamic world.

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Virginia Kellenberger — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:35:05 GMT

to Mongo Loyd...perhaps you never studied history...when you state that " there will never be peace in the Middle East because there is no profit in it "...there was no monetary profit in WWII ...it was fought for moral and ideological reasons....the evil of Stalin and Hitler...many died so pitiful characterless wimps like you could enjoy life and freedom...do your homework...the Muslim Radicals have vowed openly to kill the "Infidels"...and end the Jewish State....we are fighting the next form of evil to come down the road...

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Thomas, Lexington, Ky — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:29:31 GMT

Make jerusalem an international city by moving U.N. headquarters there forcing israelis and palestinians to choose another place for their capitols. jerusalem belongs to the world not just jews and arabs. taking jerusalem out of the equation simplifies the peace process. Mandate the U.N. to keep the peace and guarantee access to all be they jew, arab or christian.

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Jimbo — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:00:31 GMT

Middle East Peace is easy. First, we mandate all hydrogen cars by the end of the decade, wean ourseleves of Arab oil, and pull our military out of the Middle East. Let 'em have at it, and we'll play nice with whoever wins.

Face it, the only reason we care is because we need their oil. They all hate eachother, there is nothing we can do to stop 2000 years of hate and retribution, so why bother. Divest ourselves of the whole situation and let them at it.

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Mark, Dallas, Texas — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:17:59 GMT

I disagree with the sentiment that this game isn't fun because it is "Can't We All Get Along?". There is another VERY similar game called "Balance of Power" from 1985. It's about leading the US against the USSR in the cold war. You use a combination of diplomacy, covert action, foreign aid, and military action both direct and indirect to further your nation's standing in the world. I would recommend giving it a try. Do a google search for it.

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steve h. north andover,ma. — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:03:25 GMT

Peace in the holy land can be achieved if Israel allows a more visable internation presence there. The United Nations has to take a more serious involvement in the peace process by backing up it's resolutions with a committed effort to stabilize the area. This would require peacekeepers and economic investments along with rebuilding infrastructure and educational institutions.

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Robert Flannery, Tacoma, Washington — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:41:37 GMT

There can be no peace between Arabs and Jews as long as the United States supports, or at least looks the other way, whenever the Jewish state breaks a U.N. resolution. There can be no peace as long as we sell munitions to every player in the area.

Does anyone else ask why our government gives Israel billions to resettle Russian Jews in settlements that are illegal? Does anyone ask why our government vetos every negative vote in the U.N. that is leveled at Israel?

The United States should have more than a hand in the peace process as it has had a very heavy one in creating the problems that have existed for the last 50 odd years.

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Ed Halpen, Phuket, Thailand — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:20:30 GMT

Most,if not all wars can be stopped if RELIGION were nonexistant. Thank my Gods that won't happen. We must kill the nonbelivers. Damn, any time I walk (or rather run) by a house of worship, all I hear is the screams of torture.
The solution should be obvious-- Fence in the countries (religions) involved and supply them with ammo until they don't exist