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SAM,SEATTLE,WA — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:50:38 GMT

BENAZIR AND MUSHARRAF ARE BOTH CORRUPT AND ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN.BENAZIR IS AN OPPURTUNIST.SHE FLED WHENEVER THINGS GET TOUGH AND RETURN ONLY FOR POWER.HER HUSBAND IS A GOON.HE IS INVOLVED IN MURDERING AND KIDNAPPING PEOPLE FOR MONEY.LET PEOPLE DECIDE WHO THEY WANT FOR THEMSELVES AND PUT BENAZIR AND MUSHARRAF,CHAUDARY BROTHER IN JAIL.

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Eric, Whitefish, MT — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:52:29 GMT

From today's mainstream media it is, unfortunately, difficult to know what the truth really is. Is it time to "bash" Bhutto because the US (or should I say Bush/Cheney) support Musharraf? Has the corporate directive gone out to the media to downplay Bhutto's intentions, in an attempt to bolster Musharraf? It is simply impossible to trust our media anymore. Yet Richard Engel's report does give pause to investigate further. Thanks for your report Richard, but until I check out further sources and references I am hesitant to believe anything coming from MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and of course there is very little to believe from FOX.

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Lorraine, Desert Hot Springs, CA — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:01:42 GMT

Great, No good guys and yet we keep sending them billions in aid, so who is the stupid ones in this scenario? Maybe if we would shut down so much aid to foreign countries, we would have enough money here to help the homeless, poor, jobless and hungry. It is shelling out all this financial aid that contributes to corruption, after all if the money wasn't there, it couldn't be embezzled. Rich people rule the world and maybe, just maybe that is why we have all the corruption, wars and worries we have today. Seems the more they get the greedier they get.

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Spacegold — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:04:41 GMT

Pakistan, the bad, the worse, and the ugly. Unrestrained democracy in this country could be manna from Heaven for the Islamic hate mongers in a state with a nuclear arsenal. Musareff is doing what he thinks he has to do to stay the course. And Bhutto is the corrupt alternative.

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Alam K. Wazir — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:05:19 GMT

Richard Engel's assessment of politcal turmoil is very true.Benazir Bhutto is not trying to save democracy but trying to save glimmer of hope that one day once again she would become prim minister. Musharraf's decisions are always based on expediency.He dropped all charges of corruption against her. In return, she is ready to eccept him as president. The true heroes of this struggle are judges of Supreme court who refused to take oath under new presidential order.

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Ralph Garner — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:12:58 GMT

Isnt it a shame? Three thousand years and the human races have not progressed beyond the barbaric T-Rex character. I listened while a man this week justified taxes on people as a way to maintain a civilized society. When I look around the world I see no civility. There is less Chaos in the outside universe than herer on this planet. We Americans are quick to calling names and critizing other nations but still we do little to quell all of this violence, We do one thing very well and that is We are experts at controlling our own teenage population. Americans have seen war almost continously since the Revolution of 1776. My ancestors have participated in every war since the revolution and yet there is little to show for it except for a skyline full of skyscrapers and big wide and long highways. It is a continous war after war and the young teenagers are sacrificed for these wars political or entertainment and with no end in sight. If there was any comnon sense in this world most of the strife and violence could be ended very quickly, but what would the world do for action and entertainment? Civilized?????

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Greg Tallent — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:20:06 GMT

Right now Bhutto is the lesser of two evils. The people of Pakistan have to first, re-establish democracy, and then choose their leader. Bhutto's leadership and her party, the PPK, is their best chance. Greg

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lnp, leonardtown, maryland, usa — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:24:29 GMT

The report you filed for Friday night's Nightly News was fascinating. You should be more careful, though -no need to become part of the story by getting knocked around, but I guess you are more than used to it, after all your years working in the Middle East. Jeez, the only time I've been shoved around like that was at a Ramones concert! Take care.

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david,baltimore,md — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:46:02 GMT

The New York Times article was devastating to Bhutta.The US should not be supporting either Musharraf or Bhutta.Neither one of them wishs democracy for Pakistan andneither on eof them has any incentive to destroy the islamic terroists when they represent your meal ticket to billions of dollars in US aid.Would you get rid of Al QUAIDA when to do so would result in a reduction of funding and US support for free elections that would result in your ouster as prersident?Even a corrupt ,venal moron like Bush should be able to understand that Musharraf has no incentive to aggressively go after his meal ticket Al Quaida;his incentive is to make sure they surbvive and are a constant threat tot the US but not so much of a threat that the US tells Pakistan it is coming in with or with out his assistance.
Just exactly why havent the democratic candidates made this an issue?Dont they realize that a platform of cutting our ties to Saudi Arabia and moving our troops to Afghanistan for th epurpose of confronting Al qUAEDA in pakistan if necessary would be an immensely popular position? Whichever candiate realizes the enormous hatred for these countries that resides in the majority of both democrats and republicans in this country will win the election.

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lea — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:50:03 GMT

Richard,
Thanks for the heads-up. I wondered about Bhutto's sincerity in presenting herself as a representative of the "people" when I saw her expensive jewel encrusted glasses with the double C....more representative of the wealthy social elite....hmmmmm

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sean mann, los angeles, California — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:05:03 GMT

Please name a Great a leader who has served the interests of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan have been misled and bamboozled. Corruption and feudalism has destroyed the country. Terrorism has devastated the common folk. Pakistan has the ability to become a great nation, hopefully the Judiciary gets the power to root out the necessary evils and pave the way to a true democracy.

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Kanan — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:26:24 GMT

Benazir and Nawaz Shariff are rogue and corrupt politicians. They care less about human rights than Gen. Musharaff. That is not to say that I in anyway support the General. At this point, The people of Pakistan and US Govt have to choose between the sea and the devil. If luck is on our side, we will survive this. People of Pakistan need to wake up and fight for real democracy and not for 100% corrupt rogue Benazir and Nawaz Shariff. They need somebody like Professor Muhammad Yunus from Bangladesh. Good luck with their fight.

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Abdul Khan — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:33:21 GMT

Richard got it correctly. Bhutto is no angel either. While reporting from Pakistan, Richard should investigate why Benazir´s dad Zulfikar was hanged by Gen.Zia who was the boss of Musharraf in 1979. Between Benazir and Mush, I prefer Mush. After all, he is getting the Pakistani economy growing at 8.5 % a year with the help of his well educated economist P.M. Hard working Pakistanis are no fools and they are unlikely to listen to demagogues like Benazir or Nawas.

One thing I appreciate about Prez.Mush is that when the shove came to push, he did not tuck his tail behind his hind legs and run away shirking away his responsibilities. A good leader.

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Joann, Mountain View,CA — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:34:02 GMT

Bhutto is as corrupt if not more. Her husband was known as 7% Zardari for all the kickbacks he demanded to approve Govt projects. If Musharaff goes the new looters of US aid will be whoever next controls Pakistan. These politicians have no reason to catch bin Laden and turn off the spigot of $ they get for "fighting terror".

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Shaheer Quader, Huntington Beach, CA — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:44:15 GMT

Benazir Bhutto is as crooked as they come! Coming from a landowner family, all her Harvard/Oxford education has really been for her own financial gains. In her two terms as the former Prime Minister the percentage of eduated Pakistanis remained at 2%-5%, in a population of about 160 million. She HAD TO leave the country because of corruption charges against her and her husand Asif Zardari, commonly known as MR. 10%! Both time she left the country's economy in a wreck! All the current hype about her "leading the charge' against the ruthless dictator Musharraf sells news and that's all. She cares as much for the common Pakistani as she cares for shred of trash on the streets of Karachi! It would be a fairly safe bet to say that Western powers have attempted to set her up, only to insure their own interests. Musharraf, while having now lost his senses and his "democratic" ways, is in a way still the only horse to bet on. If Musharraf goes, the Islamists have a clear shot at Pakistan, with no opposition and then Pakistan will look like a mirror image of a Taliban Afghanistan!

60 years of troubled existence has left Pakistan, truncated, fractious and totally bankrupt leadership-wise. The question should be: If not Bhutto and Musharraf, who then? The answer lies in many different aspects of Pakistan. However, the one factor that has regularly been left out of any national discourses, infact it has been completely avoided as a subject, is mass education. Compulsary, effective and relevant education for the Pakistani masses is the key to the future successful existence of Pakistan. In 60 years the percentage of educated Pakistanis remains abjectly low! Pakistan, even today is plagued by a form of slavery under the various landowners that are the power in the country. Majority of the Pakistanis are infact quite moderate in most ways, believe that there should be some rule of law (not democracy, necessarily) and live in peaceful conditions. Again the leadership, post Jinnah, has always failed because an overwhelming majortiy of them came from the landowner ranks. The rest have been military leaders. America shouldn't get excited about Bhutto. More than likely, if she were to somehow fanagle her way into office, she will emain there on as long as she needs to. Benazir Bhutto will not be able to withstand any political or military attack from the Islamists. Quite possibly she will once again empty out the country's finances and be off on her merry way to live in one of her many residences, from Dubai to Switzerland to London! We sure know which horse to back, don't we ?

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sidney — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:15:48 GMT

Ask any everyday Pakistani not involved in politics and they will choose a military govt over a so called democratic one, especially the devil in disguise, Bhutto. She is one corrupt lady who will sell out anything in Pakistani to any buyer especially the USA so that she can have her charges dropped, be in power, and have access to more corruption activities.

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sidney — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:20:09 GMT

Part II>
Musarraf is not an angel by any means but at least being in the military he will balance Pakistan's needs with pressure from outside (USA), as all our Generals have had to do before. Bhutto, will sell her mother if the USA tells her if she can have access back to her money and lands in Pakistan. The western media is playing it so different, in Pakistan they hate Bhutto and feel that the USA made a move to move out Musharraf, by getting him to accept Bhutto as a partner, and slowly bring in Bhutto and move him out. This gives the USA complete rule rather than partial rule. Love them politicians in any country...willing to sell it to anyone.

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Felix Littleton CO — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:25:17 GMT

Back before the days of neocon faith-based foreign policy, we had leaders who realized that places like Pakistan weren't Wisconsin and didn't feel the need to offer the public a cast of phony good guys and bad guys. The fact that someone who once rose to power in Pakistan ( or here for that matter) isn't June Cleaver should be no surprise to anyone who knows a thing or three about the reality based world.

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Jim, Washington DC — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:03 GMT

Question: How can Benazir support a lavish lifestyle in UK when she has been expelled from her own country and with no known income?
Why and how do all these expelled people (along with the LTTE folks) land up in UK?

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Taz Sid — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:34:24 GMT

Musharraf has been forced to bring Bhutto back into Pakistan under intense international pressure.Indian lobbyist & Bhutto have been working behind the scene to tarnish Musharraf's sincerity in the fight against terrorism.Bhutto has failed twice as a Prime Minister of Pakistan and has many cases pending against her.Unfortunately the Judiciary in Pakistan has become very politicised,and therefore Bhutto would have been cleared of all charges against her.Even the media is dominated by her party.If Bhutto becomes a PM she will be very ineffective without the backing of the military.

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paul, miami florida — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:43:06 GMT

As much as I hate it I'm behind Musharraf on what he did. By what right does the US claim that democracy is best for all? Its either him or the Islamic terrorists with nuclear weapons. Maybe he should use some of them in them outlying outlaw areas where the terrorists are known to thrive.

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Leonid, St Pet., Florida — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:59:19 GMT

You want democracy in Pakistan? OK, then islamists will gain or even grab power legally. In best case scenario, they will free to rule in part of Pakistan and support Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Nobody in Pakistan wold dare to fight them. Musharaff at least tries to do it. And don't forget that it was Bhutto who created Taliban.

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Daniel Schlafer — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:33 GMT

Let's worry about Bhutto later. We need to worry more about President Bush seeing"positive signs" in Pakistan ? Does anyone remmber Bush's Osama slogan, " WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" ? Musharref has re-written that slogan, " MAKE A DEAL AND WE WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE !" Musharref also has the nerve to ask for more funds as our man in the WAR ON TERROR !

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James Lorenzana — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:09:23 GMT

Terrorism used to keep the country in turmoil and to keep authoritarian rule. The Foreign policy of this nation has been it's worst since the Clinton Administration. Perhaps some of the politicians in Washington should take Foreign Policy 101

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Jayne Ferguson, Santa Monica, CA — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:44:42 GMT

Well Richard, we are relying on you to really let us know what is going on there!
And from the pushing and shoving you took during your report on Friday - Be careful out there is an understatement....
Jayne Ferguson
Santa Monica, CA

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Geogia — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:46:41 GMT

Dear Richard, I know you now what you are doing but after viewing your report on Friday I was scared seeing you shoved around within the crowds. PLEASE BE CAREFUL RICHARD!! Bhutto seems determined to go up against Musharraf to restore democracy to Pakistan. She is not perfect and has problems with her own length of rule. As you state she faces corruption cases in Britain, Spain and Switzerland so she is " no angel". Then again Musharraf is not perfect in his rule either. His press conference was certainly contradictory and the local journalists were not pleased. Please be carful if there is a rally in Tuesday Richard!! These two leaders are really rivals struggling for power over the people. PLEASE BE CAREFUL and SAFE RICHARD!! You are a brave and excellent journalist! Peace to you always!!

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Bryan M, New York, New York — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:51:46 GMT

You compared between Pakistan and Myanmar but very superficially and incompletely. You said Bhuto is not Aung San Suu Kyi. Maninly it is not about the difference between Bhuto and Suu Kyi. It is about the difference between Government of Pakistan and that of Myanmar. Pakistani Government is much more humane than Myanmar Government. Myanmar Dictators are incomparably oppressive to their own people. Comparing Bhuto and Suu Kyi, they both are Oxfore-educated. But you can't find corruption in Noble Peace Prize Winner Aung San Suu Kyi. Moreover Suu Kyi has been sacrificing her whole life(12 of last 18 years in house arrest). Nobody talks loud about Suu Kyi's decade long house arrest while Bhuto's one day house arrest is getting media attention. It is odd and funny.

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Who cares???? — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:16:02 GMT

Are we sending money to that country. Dont we have hundreds of people starving in our good USA? How many people in our good usa are going hungry? And where is our tax money going? we aLL need an answer to that. we have the greatest country in the world I have been to a few other countries and they stink thank God it was only while I was in the USNavy during the second world war

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R. Patrick, E-town, KY — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:16:06 GMT

I can just see it now! Bhutto in charge of Pakistan, Carter embassetor to, Iran. Kerry the leading diplomat to, Vietnam. And the Taliban & Al Quida well on its way to securing a stronger foothole in the middleast and southeast asia.

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hana, vancouver, British Columbia — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:42:59 GMT

Benazir is a very courageous and enlightened leader. She has been wrongly maligned by the intelligence agencies of Pakistan and not a single charge of corruption has been proved against her or her husband. This is just the media trial and it must be stopped. She is a great leader and if the people of Pakistan vote for her she must be allowed to rule the country. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE WITH THEIR VOTES............

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Greg Genkin — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:48:29 GMT

Wow now this is a surprise! Mainstream media actually reporting something even remotely relevant. I congratulate you on that. I do want to say though that its a little bit late, maybe if you had reported on it a while ago, or maybe if you had reported on the fact that bhutto is friendly to corporate interests, and would make a great leader to have supporting american corporations in one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Maybe if you reported about all the wheeling and dealing to get her back in pakistan, and get musharraf to feel the pressure to drop the charges. Maybe then you might have a little bit of respect, maybe then you might actually be reporting something to inform people about the world around them. Rather then keeping them ignorant, then maybe you might be doing the job that the media is supposed to be doing.

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Usman, Luton, UK — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:16:33 GMT

The Taliban hate Musharaf. For the positive actions the military have taken against them, led by the M man himself, has been notable in reducing their influence in the feudal areas as well as constitutional areas. Bhutto hates Musharaf because of the rightful and legal charges against her of economic and political corruption by way of economic throwbacks from state deals. And so, both enemies of Musharaf have a common target: Musharaf. Should Bhutto come into power her focus wil be on the Kashmir issue. WHile the nations eyes will be on them peace talks and the constant set backs she will be robbing the country blind to the verge of bankruptcy, while the taliban will spread a viscous religous word around the country recruiting more

she amasses support by paying money. she buys her support with the money she stole.I wish her the same fate as her father.

Ms Librety? more like Trojan Horse...

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Muslim girl — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:06:31 GMT

If pakistan was under islamic rule you would have none of the stupid and useless protests going on right now! Musharraf has done more ofr the country than nawaz sharif and bhutto had in their years altogether. Hey if you want the country to lose its stance and get messed up then vote for bhutto!

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Bob Riley — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:35:48 GMT

Democracy has suffered a blow in Pakistan. The question is not whether the Bhutto government was corrupt but whether Musharraf has any constitutional right to usurp a democratically elected government and then suppress the opposition in the name of waging war on terror. This sounds like a Bush Unpatriotic tactic.

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Martin, Bradenton, FL — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:39:42 GMT

Anyone see any similarities between Musharaff's rationale for his crackdown and, well, our rationale for being in Iraq? He's a quick study. Looks like we're all "spreading democracy" (at the barrel of a gun). Why *should* we complain about what he's doing? (Please detect the note of irony.)

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John Doe, New York, NY — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:30:45 GMT

Bhutto and Musharaff both deserve to be behind bars. Pakistan is the epicenter of all the terrorist activities in the whole world. Instead of trying to attack Iraq or Iran, US should have attacked Pakistan and send it to stone ages. Most of the terrorist training camps have been in Pakistan for the longest time. The sad part is that Pakistanis claim to be very brave but the fact is they are the cowards in this whole world. They don't have the backbone to stand up to their own army. Where in the world would you find the army ruling a nation for the past 50 years of their 60 year independence? This goes to show that they have no backbone otherwise a strong million people on the streets on Pakistan would have send the army back to the barracks and they wouldn’t have dared to take over power. This message is for all the Pakistanis if they have any shame left then instead of hiding in their own houses and claiming to be brave come out in open, tear the ISI’s of this world, tear down the army and break down the army’s backs. Send a message to all the generals for the future that you won’t tolerate army rule ever in Pakistan. Take the example of Russia, when the people came to red square and took the communist out of power. Their politicians are the most corrupt. Bhutto's husband was called Mr.10% because during her regime in power her husband took 10% in bribes for all the contracts awarded. General Musharff is no better and has stolen money from the aid that has been given to Pakistan for the last seven years. All the generals in Pakistani army have become rich while the country has become poorer; the $10 billion aid given to fight the war on terror has gone into the pockets of corrupt politicians and generals. It is really a stupid policy to rely on army in Pakistan to further democracy in a nation. The US foreign policy has weakened the democratic process in Pakistan for the longest time. We can’t have foreign policies tailor made to suit a nation. If we say we stand for democracy then it should be same policy for Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. . In fact even the nuclear scientists in Pakistan have given the secrets to our enemies in the past. Its time the west realize the mistake and Bomb Pakistan once and for all, make sure all the nuclear sites are bombed so that in future we won’t have any more Mr. Khan’s giving the nuclear secrets to other countries. For the Pakistanis I wish them well and hope that the sooner they got rid of the generals and the ISI it will be better for them. In fact they should get rid themselves of the nuclear weapons also which doesn’t serve them at all. What is the use of having nuclear weapons when you don’t have food to eat? Grow wheat, rice and educate your kids. Educate them in science and Math, not in some stupid religious books which doesn’t prepare them to face the world. Teaching them to hate the west is not a solution for Pakistan.

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Hasan Ansari, Atlanta, US — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:40:34 GMT

Benazir and Nawaz Sharif have been tested twice. They both stole and both are very corrupt. Atleast Musharraf is not corrupt and the economy has progressed during his tenure. Hope he stays on and if Benazir comes to power she will be on leash.

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Hasan Ansari, Atlanta, US — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:31 GMT

Benazir is very dangerous for Pakistan and the region. She is Shi'te by faith and will help Iran with Nukes. Shi'tes have the same Pope (Imam) and whatever the Imam says they oblige. Before the US puts all their eggs in her basket make sure she is on a leash on Iran. If you watch the footage from her last meetings with the Iranian Mullahs you will notice the how cozy they were. Liberalism and conservativism is ignored when it comes to Shi'tism.

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Chris Rumley, Theresa, NY — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:55:18 GMT

This was a strategic move on the part of Musharef, but it will backfire. By aligning himself with the US and anti-terrorism he attempted to justify his continued rule. The US, however, cannot support the subversion of democracy on the basis of such flimsy evidence of internal turmoil. Musharef was banking on America's dependence on his troops in Waziristan to stop the influx of extremists into US controlled regions along the border in Afghanistan. He truly believed America would turn a blind eye toward anything he did politically. This is his failure. Pakistan's only chance is for a realistic political process and a fair election. It is however; very interesting that Musharef's decision to suspend the constitution and the Supreme Court has not led to a widespread uprising of the Pakistani people. If the people are not ready to stand up against him for democracy...he will not go.

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Devendra Sood, Boston, MA — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:04:52 GMT

Richard Engel has it right. Benazir is as corrupt as any corrupt politicain in the world. She openly and brazenly looted the Pakistani treasury and her husband is known as "Mr. Ten Percenter" for taking his cut to let any deal be consumated. Bhutto wants to be PM again for only one reason - GREED. If any one is naive enough to believe that this lady believes in democracy then I have a bridge to sell to these people.
As far as George Bush,"DUBBYA" pushing to bring democracy in Pakistan; he is bucking to be Jimmy Carter "The Second" for allowing Islamist fantics to take over in a,"One Man, One Vote, Once." Have we forgotten Iran, the Shah who was our friend and the Ayatollah who grabbed the power because we helped him by weakening the Shah.
George's stupidity is unfatomable and the horror of horrors is that he thinks he has the answer. While I am at it, let me confess I voted for him.
Musharraf is no angel and no democrat but he is the best bet for Pakistan in near future. He has got the economy going and that in the long run is THE SOLUTION for Pakistan's ills and not democracy for now. Writers Abdul Khan and Spacegold have it right. Demcracy will come in Pakistan when the people of Pakistan will it and fight for it and not a moment sooner just because some of the elites of Pakistan find it convenient to shout about it or the US wants it.
Let Pakistan resolve it's own problems. Concentrate on the Pakistani Nuclear Arsenel so in case of total anarchy, it does not fall in hands of terrorist or Pakistani Military faction who supports them.

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Georgia — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:33:53 GMT

Dear Richard, I was just viewing MSNBC and the news was that the government was not going to allow her to attend the protest march on Tuesday. I believe she will probably be under house arrest again and barricaded from leaving. Judging from your report from Friday and her van charging towards police I hope that does not happen again. I really don't think the march from Lahore to Islamabad is going to be a good idea. It seems too risky. Just be EXTRA CAREFUL RICHARD!! You have done a magnificent job reporting from this region. I truly support your great reporting. BE CAREFUL Tuesday! I hope there is a peaceful resolution to this conflict. I will be thinking about you Tuesday and awaiting your report. STAY SAFE RICHARD!! Peace to you!

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Pat, Tampa,Fl — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:34:25 GMT

The U.S. and European community are wasting there time and resources on Pakistan.
Pakistan is a culture that is corrupt throughout,
no matter who gains power their nothing will change.
The only solution is to let them fight it out amongst themselves and deal with the one that wins.
As for there nuclear arsenal, the world should unite and disable it ASAP, because sooner or later one of these nuts will use it against India and it will be too late then.

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mahendran.m,Erode,Tamilnadu — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:40:29 GMT

feel,musharaff is better among the worsts, since he is showing signs of fighting terror's ., but fate oof his is seen digs his own grave- not politically intelligent. let's see for a good hearty pakistan for the people,world good.

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John Doe, Seattle — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:42:18 GMT

I think Musharraf or Bhutto should start lookin for a political consultant, Karl Rove should send them his political resume and go over to help. While he's over there he should tell bin laden were coming for em !

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Darius, Boston, MA — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:47:43 GMT

Why is this news, all politicians are the same the world over. This is as true in Pakistan as it is in the US. Whenever we have to choose our leaders it is like choosing between Chucky and spawn of Chucky...they are all corrupt and only care about their own interests. Once they get elected all the promises to the electorate are forgotten, then it is how can I get myself and 3 generations of my family wealthy. It was, is and forever will be choosing the lesser of the 2 evils at that particular point in time. Sad but ture!

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Jerrymcshan Nacogdoches , Texas — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:52:52 GMT

when will the idiots in Washington finally realize that the American brand of government will not work in the Middle east. Its not working that well here . the present leaders in pakistian are our only hope to keep its weapons out of terrorists hands. But we go and find a crook and thief to come in to fix the problems. Sounds like the Iran under the shua and we got kohemmeni instead and iraq under its new thieves and partners. saddam was better than these fools. maybe we need to change ourf leaders instead

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Khaled Al-zibdeh, Houston TX — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:56:57 GMT

I think that Bhutto is a corrupt, self-interested, and irrational politican and can bring no good to Pakistan. Whether the corruption charges against her are false or not, she was still one of the worst things to happen to the Islamic Republic, and will be if she is once again allowed in the political arena.

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Irwin, Thousand Oaks, CA — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:59:54 GMT

Whatever Benazir's popularity in Pakistan is, her ideas about letting the US troops run rampant in Pakistan in chasing so-called 'terrorists' is surely a non-starter. That's one reason Musharraf is hated - because he's another 'Bushie' in the area, who'll get his just deserts one of these days.

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Amir Khan, Toronto ON — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:05:50 GMT

If we as citizens of this world cannot learn from history then shame on us. The Bhuttos and the Sharifs and the Chaudharis ... they are all one in the same. They are the ruling elite class of Pakistan. Different name ... same game. They have all looted Pakistan to an extend where it was almost bankrupt. There was absolutely no media freedom at all and now they are crying because Musharaff has imposed emergency. Come on guys...wake up. I am not a fan of Musharraf either but in comparision he is lesser of the other evils. I sincerely hope that people of Pakistan can realize this and find sincere politicians who are responsible and true patriots and for them the country comes first. Miracles can still happen...and I am sure there will be a day when we will be fortunate enough to have true democracy in this country.

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Shaam, Morgantown, WV — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:15:02 GMT

Thank god there are at least some journalists who realize that most Pakistani's oppose Bhutto even more than we dislike Musharraf. I will take 10 more years of Musharraf rather than even a year with Bhutto. Her two stints at rule DEVESTATED the country's economy and was in many ways the most repressive(correctly noted about the media repression during her rule). Her family and many in her party(PPP) are among the most corrupt there are. Her husband is a well known murderer and kidnapper to those who live in Lahore. He is infamous throughout Pakistan. I have extended family members who are PPP 'organizers'. There job is to pass out sacks of flour, oil, etc. during elections to poor people so they will vote for PPP. That is not democracy. The government is broke, but Bhutto is not the one to fix it. The only honest politician in Pakistan is Imran Khan, but nobody would vote for him or back him because of true anti-corruption stance. It is a shame to see the country in such a mess.

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shazia Arain — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:16:46 GMT

Bhutto is nothing but a corrupt, manipulative tested and failed politician. She plays the "modern card " with the west. But is only has her self interst at hand. In her last two so called democratic govt. she lead country only downhill. She is not a Harvard grad for the record, god knows why is that impression out there. She just attended a semester!! Musharaf is NOT corrupt. he has improved our economy and is the only guy who can cintinue to improve Pakistan's situation globally

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Len, Temecula, CA — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:17:05 GMT

Regarding Benazir: I get bilked the first time, shame on you. Bilked the second time, shame on me. We're now on the the third time. Duh. Aren't there any pro-democracy candidates with military experience among the judges and lawyers?

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Diane Lafayette, In — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:47:59 GMT

Education would be beneficial to the people of Pakistan, and maybe we could redirect some of our money to fund schools. Not saying it would help everyone, but it could possilby get through to a few and they could become a true honest leader instead of a follower.

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An American, New York, New York — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:54:13 GMT

Please, let us face it. American aid to Pakistan is a military aid to protect its interest in the region. Do we really care who is incharge of the country as long as they serve our interest. Many countries around the world have dictators, who neglect human rights, torture their own people, loot the economy of the country, but we are not maintaining a presence there because it doesn't serve or affect our interest. America had a vested interest to keep the Russian's out in Afghanistan, thus creating Al-Qaida, and now to fight the demon it helped create in the first place, it gave Musharraf billions of dollars in aid, so please, remember that it is our policies that have created a mess in that region, unstabilized the whole area, created thousands, if not millions of refugees, orphans and widow and most importantly instead of bringing the rhetoric of democracy and freedom that we peddled along with the "USAID", we have instilled a deep mistrust of all things American....Benazir and Musharraf are playing to the piper's music, and of course all these things will come back to haunt us, and our future generations for years to come. I think we have to see how our actions have not made this world a safer or better place, how we haven't succeeded in bringing the world together, and how even billions of dollars in aid will not work, if there is no well thought out policy behind it and long term diplomacy/emergency preparedness to deal with, when things take a turn for the worse, or if the policy fails..For those of us who have experienced war first hand, have seen things blow up in our face, have heard the sirens and ran for cover, have prayed to God to send someone who will please stop this carnage, where are all the people of the world who are watching this and not demanding to have it stopped, (not the TV war that most Americans see, where we can turn the TV off when we can't bear to watch it anymore and then go to bed), know that War is not a solution, it breeds hatred, resentment , anger, and many other strong negative feelings and it will create whole new generations who won't know how to resolve issues in a peaceful way, ever!
Remember when we point one finger at someone else, three fingers point right back at us. Try it! Just hold your hand in front of you and point your index finger at someone, three of your own fingers point right back at you. It is a simple idea...Richard Engel, I applaud you for being objective and always reporting the facts without coloring it with your opinions. I have watched you cover the war from the very beginning and admire your courage and objectivity in bringing both sides of the picture to the forefront. Unfortunately in this day and age truth is hard to swallow... and very few people will accept it, especially those who govern!

We are lucky that we as a people in this country can make a difference (look at what the people of Pakistan have to go through to be heard), it is good to be able to blog and voice our opinions, but it would be so much better if we all go out and vote and bring about the changes we truly believe in. Let us call our leaders to accountability if they don't deliver. Americans are a good people, so let us show the world we can make an effort to right our wrongs, and we will do everything in our power to rectify our mistakes! Every American, who reads this...PLEASE go out and VOTE! we know that we can make a difference! And WE WILL!

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Mark Caldwell Lake Orion, Mi. — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:56:18 GMT

It's too late to do anything except watch...
With all the extremist and religous fanatics out there....The weak, if not nonexistant governments...The poverty stricken vs the rich...The black vs the white..Terrorists vs everyone.....

Someone will be detinatimg a nuclear bomb soon...
These peaple in the Middle East, Africa, and the Far East are not stable and/or intelligent enough to have control of weapons of any kind, let alone nuclear.....

Too Late We(civilized people) LOSE !!!!! Lunatics WIN ????

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Sam khan — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:24:35 GMT

I don't see this country as a Democratic country in any form.
1.It has a long history of Dictatorship(Seezing the democratic government many times)
2.Santuary of World Terrorist/Organisations
3.Comparing to IRAQ and Afganistan,Pakistan seems to be more dangerous country in earth.

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Sam khan,Detroit Michigan — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:25:17 GMT

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Dan — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:26:35 GMT

Sadly, while it is difficult to trust the media's take on any of these events, I do know a Pakistani who has expressed the same sentiment as this article: Between Bhutto and Musharraf there is no "good guy", only a corrupt struggle for power.

Hopefully a respectable leader is raised up in Pakistan. Lord knows they need one.

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Maria, Kerrville, TX — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:46:40 GMT

I believe Hasan Ansari, Atlanta, nailed it with his view of Bhutto posted November 12, 2007 at 9:45am. His assertions being correct, Bhutto may even hand over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal to Al Qaeda and company to assist Iran and Russia against India and the West? Who knew? Wake-up Washington--and make that leash about one nanometer in length.

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Abdul Khan — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:24:11 GMT

"In fact even the nuclear scientists in Pakistan have given the secrets to our enemies in the past. Its time the west realize the mistake and Bomb Pakistan once and for all, make sure all the nuclear sites are bombed so that in future we won’t have any more Mr. Khan’s giving the nuclear secrets to other countries."

This was written by John Doe from New York who suggests that U.S. bombs Pakistan. Then he says "For the Pakistanis I wish them well and hope that the sooner they got rid of the generals and the ISI it will be better for them."

Is this guy for real? After bombing them to oblivion, he wishes them well and suggests that the Pakistanis grow wheat and feed the people! Well, John Doe, it is easy for you to sit in NYC and give instructions to people of Pakistan what and what not to do.If you want to be of any use to U.S or Pakistan, you better take the next flight to Islamabad and join Richard Engel and find out what the good Pakistanis want. You may even find out that they know how to grow wheat,rice,etc and feed themselves. BTW, their economy is growing healthily for the past 8 years.

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Ray Morganton, N.C. — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:28:40 GMT

They are both corrupt!There will never be a democracy in Pakistan. They dont want it that way.The world should worry about there Nuclear Arsenal!Musharraf says they are fighting the terrorists,I beg to differ!.They know where Bin Laden is but they dont want him.I would say Musharraf is taking orders from Bin Laden from his own basement, that is where I would look if I were looking for Bin Laden.The world needs to disarm Pakistan.They just might be friends with Iran and Syria!

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burro — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:32:05 GMT

BE CAREFUL OF PAKISTAN'S 'MS. LIBERTY'
vs. what? Pakistan's Mr. "We'll get rid of them some time in the future" Emergency Powers, (re martial law). Busharraf, Musharraf, Cheney, Bhutto. All dogs and all with fleas. The first thing I thought when I read that headline was, "It's time to start ginning up the spinning for Pervez". These aren't choices. Four jokers buried in baggage. Humanity really should be able to do better than this.

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HRC — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:32:50 GMT

Seems as if its the same throughout the world ---the corrupt politicians control and are not held accountable to the law--but then so many judges andlawyers here and there are such politcal whores one can understand what is happening--not good but explainable. Time for the really law abiding good people to take charege.

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Abdul Khan — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:36:10 GMT

"The only honest politician in Pakistan is Imran Khan, but nobody would vote for him or back him because of true anti-corruption stance."

Shaam, you are right about Imran Khan, the famous cricket player. However, don't bet on his NOT being elected. The best thing Musharraf can (and will) do right now is to call for elections and invite people like Imran Khan to be candidates. Imran can easily neutralize Bhutto and Nawas

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Beatrice Hueglin — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:38:03 GMT

It is good to see someone finally telling the truth about Madam Bhutto. I think that most Americans would think she is some kind of a saint from the news reports we have seen on television here. She and her husband looted the country but good when she was in charge.

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Lee Delaney, Las Vegas — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:04 GMT

This conjecture about Bhutto and Musharraf is merely for media people and idiots. But wait, I repeat myself. It doesn't matter in the slightest about Bhutto or Muaharraf since neither of them has a chance of ending up as the leader of Pakistan. It is inevitable that within a few years Pakistan will become another Islamic Republic. The sooner the United States drops its support of right wing thieves and crooks and abandons its policy of making the world safe for Democracy by imposing Democracy on everybody at the point of a gun, the less trouble we shall have with the new Islamic rulers of Pakistan. And with other Islamic states. We have got to stop antagonizing nations who have legitimate Islamic governments, trying to overthrow those governments and replace them with one more favorable to us and seek some accomodation with them. It won't be easy because we have made so many mistakes regarding Islam and the Middle East in the last few years that even the lowest farmer or herder knows and hates the United States. We shall never, ever have an Islamic state that is favorable to us, but until we stop threatening them with our outdated, inneffective, laighable and obscenely expensive military we shall have no chance at even an accomodation.

The Islamic state is the way of the future in the Middle East, Africa and Asia and even someone as eminently intelligent and successful as George W. Bush cannot wish that fact away.

It is not necessary that these states be bent upon the destruction of the United States, as their people don't have enough time to bother with that nonsense and their leaders will follow their people if we try to work with them. But as long as we try to keep them down and not allow them the same national status as Western nations, they shall become more and more contemptible of us and, while I believe that the United States would start a war much sooner than any Islamic state, none of them seperately have the capability of harming us. They're smarter than us in their undrstanding of human nature and what constitutes a real threat and what a political threat. We have time to work with them because Iran is the only true Islamic state at this time with Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and Malaysia to follow shortly. Ease up on the Iran rhetoric, quit the threats and seek accomodation. It is never, ever too late to talk. It might work, but of course it will have to wait for a new President to replace the malevolent, confrontational, incompetent we have now.

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Ellet Wilson — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:57:57 GMT

Sounds like the way our "ELECTED"? government is headed.

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JFK — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:38:24 GMT

These people seem to stand for nothing. If all they do is spew hot air...wait, that sounds like our own politicians. Maybe our journalists could serve us better by applying this same sort of criticism and skepticism to our own politicians. Quite frankly, if the leading contenders for the U.S. presidency are Giuliani and Clinton, then the American media is severely uneducated and misinformed. Therefore, they spread the misinformation to the U.S. populace, which is probably why Obama is slipping in the polls. He is so smart that half the things he says fly right over the heads of the media, they'd rather focus on the fact that he's black and has a funny name. The mega media machine running this nation is simply a monopoly of deceit and corruption. The only way this country will become truly democratic is if there is a full scale revolt by the people. Until then, they will continue to be ran by giant corporations who will help to elect whichever candidate will make their executives richer. This country has never been less free. We vote, and yet our votes aren't even counted. Instead it all comes down to the electoral college, a system that most Americans are barely aware even exists. Freedom would be a President who is elected solely on the tally of the peoples vote. No special interests whatsoever.

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farha — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:28:49 GMT

With the current situation of Pakistan and the constant media hype over the emergency rule and media banning, I have noticed one thing that most Pakistani channels are airing support to corrupt leaders like Bhutto & Sharif! It is evident that they have there puppeteers doing quite a job for them. Pakistan needs to sort out major issues such as Security & Poverty! Every nation has the right to democracy but then they are some nations which are just better of under dictatorship! As a matter of fact not one sensible person wants to step into the political scenario and try his hands on leadership because they know that people are happy with evil prime ministers & presidents! Thanks to the Gen.Zia Ul Haq times, we have been pumped with enough Islamic extremist..that if not for Gen.Mush. we would be the next Afghanistan!

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Shoaib Mir, Lahore, Pakistan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:29:22 GMT

Richard! Who might be more careful of Pakistan's "Ms Liberty"? Should it be the Pakistan government under Musharraf, who in 8 years subverted the constitution twice, sacked the judiciary twice, muzzled the media at whim, and who, despite floundering many billions on accusations of "$1.5 billion graft", couldn't prove a single case against her either at home or abroad? Or should it be the US government under President Bush, who has taken almost two terms to understand and say that Musharraf "can't be the president and the head of military at the same time"? These paradoxes apart, if the two gentlemen are now apparently willing to play ball with the lady, they need to be duly careful as she knows the craft of politics better than many. If her "persona raises distrust as well as hope" it is because she is neither a Shaukat Aziz nor a neo-con, and she may well have a very different recipe for running Pakistan as well as the "war on terror." If "Bhutto is a flawed hero" we know that history is replete with men and women who were unfairly accused by the people among whom they lived. The struggle and sacrifices of the Bhutto family in the cause of a democratic and egalitarian society are too recent to be easily forgotten by the people of Pakistan.

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Lane,Naples,Florida — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:14:11 GMT

My female to female intuition (plus Ms. Bhutto's obvious displays of wealth) is screaming that she is just back to fatten her bank account further.

AND, I must admit scanning the previous writers here for Middle Eastern names, and to read THEIR comments. Moderate Muslims will hopefully be the ones to listen to, the ones to help us preseve and improve on what we in the West have come to know as a democracy.
Without the need for wars, there would be time, energy, money to do so much to help all, everywhere.
God, Allah, Buddha, etc. Bless the World

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Mohammad Iqbal, Sharjah, UAE — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:17:27 GMT

To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, people get the leaders they deserve. Pakistanis elected both Bhutto and Sharif twice. Both of them turned out to be robbers of the highest degree who plundered the poor country for their own monetary gain. They did so while already filthy rich and knowing that an overwheming majority of the country's population could not afford to get enough food to fill their stomach. When in power, they curtailed civil liberties and freedom of the press. When Benazir was the Prime Minister, her thug husband Zardari had airconditioned stables for his horses at government expense. This, in a country where many poor people die every summer from heat. He robbed the country's meagre resources by awarding government contracts to those who paid a cut to him. He started out as Mr. 10% but progressed to a much higher percentage later. A dangerous and brutal criminal, he arranged murder of his own brother-in-law. The country became his feudal state. All this happened with full knowledge and approval of Benazir. Sharif, a protege of the late dictator Zia ul Haq became so intoxicated with power that under the guise of Islam, he was in the process of introducing Sharia law to replace he judicial system before he was booted out. He was also in the process of having himself proclaimed as Imer Ul Momanin, meaning Ruler of Muslims, with absolute power and authority over everyone in the country. He was not satisfied to be a democratically elected prime minister of the country. Now he is talking about bringing democracy to the country. Both Benazir and Sharif are birds of the same flock: greedy, manipulative, selfish, corrupt, power hungry and immoral. When they talk of democracy, human rights, freedom of press and freedom of judiciary, they conveniently forget their own dismal record in all those areas. Hypocritical politicians and gullible public--that is the tragedy of Pakistan. In the mean time, people be damned. How sad. How very, very, sad.

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Waseem Kashif — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:34:36 GMT

Benazir Bhutto,Mush and Bush... they are making fool the whole world in the name of terrorism, that is what all pakistanis think right now.

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Zaman — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:34:25 GMT

Only Pakistanis living under dictatorship know what it means to loose all your freedoms overnight...all because of lust for power of Generals . they are enjoying perks and priveleges unheard of even in the developed world. They are playing suckers to a great nation. Under the circumstances Bhutto is the only ray of hope!!!!!!

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mote vs — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:53:12 GMT

Wonder! there's no one than Bhutto, Sharif & Parvez in PAK. Hellow Guys just wake-up and thrash these politicians. Why not someone from young generation come forward to cater what Pakistanis dream ..

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Khalid, Lahore, PK — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:08:07 GMT

After all these years she is back with Washington backing and like Musharraf serves the same master. She has been brought forward to deliver what Musharraf could not; that is, US (Israel) control over Pakistan Nuclear Assets. Despite the fact that Nawaz Sharif was equally corrupt and popular, US would not want him back or even participate in the so called democratic process. To begin with, he is the one who ordered the Nuclear tests and unlike Musharraf and Benazir is less likely to crumble under US pressure. Its all about getting control of the Nuclear Assets and nothing else.

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sandy shores chicago il. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:09:19 GMT

democracy don't even seem to work in the usa. you have the republicans openly trying to defend our country while the democrats try their best to undermine the hard work our military has done and cant handle the sucsess our soldeirs have earned with their blood sweat and tears. meanwhile you have democrat voters running down a blind ally. Oh yes i will vote for you even if you are a criminal. Oh yes i will vote for you even if you tax the tax payers so high they will have to go underground and not pay taxes at all. Oh yes i will give your country away to the illegals and make you pay for it. you worry about the world you best be worrying about your own world the one that the democrats want you to pay a rediculously high price for. One that will crush our ecomnomy. Leave them alone they need a millitary rule there. put our money back into our economy and for the love of god close the damn boarders!

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russell lee — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:18:11 GMT

With Bhutto and Masharrif, you have a dozen in one hand and 12 in the other. I do expect, though not wissfully, that Bhutto soon will be killed.

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Ali Khan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:22:09 GMT

Benazir is the MOST corrupt, selfish and self-serving politician we have had. She almost drove the country to disaster in her two stints, and I should know as a Pakistani living under her nightmarish tenure. I hope the West will now see her for what she truly is - another Ferdinand Marcos!

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sandy shores — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:29:50 GMT

Stop feeding them money and just turn it all into glass these people after all have been killing eachother since their existance that is just never going to change they just can not live side by side in peace. We got our own problems like closing our boarders and keeping the trash out!

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Holly F., Newnan, GA — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:48:20 GMT

As a woman who wanted to be a journalist more than anything, but decided no due to the fact that I felt there was no more integrity left in the field (this was 20 years ago), I find it amazing that after reading this article and reading the comments, American citizens are SO quick to bash anything and everyone, including our President, without first reading and getting the facts as clearly as they can.

I do agree that we should not give to anyone before we give to our own. It seems, with the exception of the British, that other countries do not give to us to care for hurricane and flooding, and they do not "repay" US for the things we give, whether we feel it necessary or not. History repeats itself-when people have had enough they rise up-look at the Zulus, the Boston Tea Party, the countless people who finally rose up with rocks and sticks against guns and arrows.

However, I do not agree with the media. We can say what we want about other countries limiting their people to "need to know news". This article was much more informative that the one that made the front page of the desktop-I had to scroll through the other article to get to this tiny link. Democracy is not democracy unless it is free and clear. However, the President, regardless of who he is, should never be bashed or questioned in times like this. Peaceful protests make people pay more attention to a cause than someone screaming. Screamers only look like zealots.

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John, Minneapolis — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:58:59 GMT

Benazir will RUIN Pakistan and its economy (especially her husband Mr.10%),Maybe thats what the likes of Bush and others with their hidden agenda want. Who better to help come to power,the person most likely to ruin the country i.e BENAZIR and MR 10 %. Bush is smarter than I thought(or should that be his advisers are),cant be Bush, can it?? Keep Benazir and her FAKE democracy away from Pakistan. The people of Pakistan have suffered enough corruption.The best person for the job is IMRAN KHAN.

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dbliss, Omaha — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:08:40 GMT

We sincerely owe a debt of gratitude to George, Tom, Ben, John and the gang....do we not? And the brave young men and women who have fought and died to protect our constitution and the honorable American's who continually strive to form a more perfect union and protect our domestic tranquility.

God Bless America!!

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Mike — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:35:45 GMT

Corruption, dishonesty, opportunism? Are we talking a Clinton-Bhutto ticket in '08?

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sam, naperville — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:50:48 GMT

Bhutto used to claim that she was the mother of Taliban

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wwwuker — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:52:35 GMT

And on nuclear energy for Iran. Funny how Muslims are willing to use infidel science when convenient.

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Jim, Seattle, WA. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:52:54 GMT

This debate highlights perhaps the most complex issue the US and the West in general will face in the comming months and years. Namely, what if the "will of the people" freely expressed in elections happens to select a government driven by "people we don't like" or a philosophy we feel is a threat (i.e., a radical Islamic theocracy)? Then what do we do? How will we react? When we push for "democracy" everywhere in the world, what we really mean is "democracy" the way we see it. We aren't preparred for "democracy" which might elect a government we can't or won't deal with. As the old expression rightly notes, "watch what you wish for, you just might get it".

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Bishop Calvin Winslow, Idaho Falls, Idaho — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:58:53 GMT

Having visited Pakistan for 3 weeks in October 2003 I can tell you that the nations human rights policies only effect Muslims. The minorities don't stand a chance (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, etc.)Pakistan needs leadership that will embrace different religions besides Islam, and give minorities a hope in Pakistan society. All men are created equal. I am personally believing Pakistan will be a great nation with great leadership. I'm praying thet the only true God who created the heavens and the earth will bring Pakistan to the place He wants them.

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Lynn ocean city, md. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:00:52 GMT

The lesser of two evils? i would certainly say so. Musharraf isn't a total democratic picture, but this woman obviously knows what sells in the news. Don't forget the kickbacks that her & hubby got to line their pockets & destroy pakistan's ecomomy. AND- yes, folks- we now have another place for extremist muslims to practice hate. Just what the world needs.

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Slappy Joe, Philadelphia, PA — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:26:02 GMT

It's a replay of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, with Musharraf as the Shah, Bhutto as Shapour Bakhtiar, and Osama bin Laden as the Ayatollah Khomeini.

We already know the result of supporting Bakhitar against both the Shah and Khomeini: the Shah fell, but Bakhitar was no match for Khomeini's ruthlessness and charisma, and was forced to flee for his life and leave Iran to Khomeini's gentle graces.

We might want to try supporting the Shah this time around. At least Musharraf is ruthless enough to figh back against Al-Qaeda, instead of assuming ineffective international protests will stop bin Laden from taking over.

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Brandon, Toronto, ON — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:32:28 GMT

It's amazing to think that this could very well be the future of the West. We have so much corruption, scandal and secrecy here that we can hardly criticize what is happening in the Middle East, especially when it's the West that caused much of the dissension in the first place. In years past, the US sent money, arms and officials to most of the Middle Eastern countries, at one time or another, in a ploy to cause destabilization to most of these regions, it’s fitting that what goes around comes around isn’t it?

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Kudrat Kaur — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:36:32 GMT

Alas Might is right - Democracy and vote these don't change much - but ought to be given a true chance. Change is brought about by the will of the people and new true leaders shall emerge from no where - you wait and see. The General and the old politicians are afraid of the new generation who shall rule peacefully and honestly whatever the system - military, democratic or islamic PLEASE let the people have their SAY!

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Bob — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:39:40 GMT

How does it really matter? Pakistan is a failed state, a haven for international terrorists, a breeding ground for Islamic fundamentalists, a proliferator of nuclear weapons technology that it sold to the highest bidders and a general vermin to its neighbors. We support the current dictator because it is convenient to us. Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif or Musharraf will be the mere titular head of an out of control organization called the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) aka "Shadow Government" which sponsors fanatic groups like the Taliban in its futile and misguided quest of Islamic supremacy and re-establishment of the caliphate. While Richard might have gotten his story theme from the RNC to try play Butto down in the run-up to US elections where the Reds don't want to be viewed as supporters of despotic dictators - the fact is that it does not matter who sits on Pakistan's throne. It is the most dangerous country today, bursting at the seems with Islamic terrorists awaiting to get their hands on hand-me-down Chinese nuclear warheads.

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K Kaur — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:57:03 GMT

Send a message earlier BUT forgot to include my City State

San Antonio TX

Let there be PEACE! on our blue planet now and forever.

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Samia, Miami, FL — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:59:42 GMT

Now Benazir wants to team up with Shariff...the two most corrupt leaders of Pakistan. If that happens, Pakistan will fail to exist. We might not like Musharraf for his dictatorship, but lets face it, Pakistan has recently flourished under his rule...

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aRehman, Karachi — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:02:52 GMT

Musharraf is Pakistan's best hope for prosperity and stability. He is the ONLY leader with a proven track record - he has brought prosperity to the country, ushered us into the Information Age, and fought the import of extremism from across the border. He has transformed the lives of ordinary people for the better. Our democratically-elected leaders have proven to be brazenly corrupt, better suited to starring in a musical farce called "Goons & Buffoons" than aspiring to public office.

As matters stand, the problem is not whether Musharraf should stay or go. There is no question; he HAS to stay. There is no other viable option - for Pakistan or the world community. This is not to say he's perfect: he's made several mistakes (the biggest being his revival of the MQM, a party that spread a reign of terror and lawlessness through its violent urban network in Karachi in the 1990s) but his stand-off with the Supreme Court is not one of them. The legal community has a long history of corruption. For them to claim any kind of moral highground and use it to justify behaving as a political party - as they had in recent months - was clearly an attempt to stage a new kind of coup and to add instability and uncertainty.

The real problem is we have no viable option other than Musharraf. The ruling classes belong mostly to feudal families, like Benazir. In election-time, voters in their consitituencies do exactly as they are told by their lords and masters. As long as feudalism exists, landlords continue to operate as absolute, Oxford-educated rulers in their lands, with the power of life, law and death. Democracy holds little meaning in such a context. The only other politicians with mass influence are the mullahs who exploit religion rather than land ownership as their power base.

Democracy can't happen till real social and economic reforms take place, which no 'democratically' elected leader has ever done. Musharraf has made dramatic inroads in many economic and social areas, including the free-est press in our history. If this is military dictatorship, I'm all for it.

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John Doe, Canton, MI — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:07:20 GMT

Feel sorry for the people of pakistan. The country has been ruled by THUGS since its inception. Only thing their leaders do is to breed hatread towards west and India in order divert their people's attention from the real problems facing its citizens. It is APPALING to see Bush and Gullible west foster one HYPOCRATIC leader of this country after another. One must really contemplate a recent topic highlighted by Newsweeek, the most DANGEROUS COUNTRY in the world is NOT IRAQ but it is PAKISTAN. There cannot be an end to the misery of its suffering people...till the Citizens of Pakistan realize that they can only prosper by working towards academic and economic development instead of fostering hatred towards West and India.

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Aleem Khan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:21:36 GMT

Bhutto cannot be compared to Aung San Suu Kyi, Bhhutto is the most corrupt and foxiest politicians of Pakistan
She and her husband Mr. Zardari 10% known to Pakistanis looted, accumulated and ammassed the Wealth of the people of Pakistan,when convicted, fled the Country living lavishly in Dubai, Switzerland and England. Can Pakistanis be proud of Bhutto as their leader in comparison to San Suu Kyi, not all, Kyi is a true leader and fighter for democracy sacrificing her life for country under the force of the brutal Army Junta of Myanmar. What has the world done for her fight, can this be comparable to Bhutto. It is a shame to see how media plays in supporting Bhutto rather than San Suu Kyi. Nawaz Sharif is another rouge, he benefitted by strengthening and fortifying his family and industrial wealth.Tried to get rid of the General who banished him out to Saudi on request of his Royal friends from Jordan and Saudi Arabia, where he is living in luxury in one of the royal palaces. Lastly don't forget the Judiciaries, they are no Angels, they are as corrupt as the leaders, all like to have their fingers in the pie.The comes the Mullas who under the banner of Islam want to take over and impose selfmade Shariat laws, bringing extremism, hate against the non Muslim World, depriving the rights of women folk etc.etc. With these elements can anyone think that Democracy can work in Pakistan, it is 60 years since Jinnah made this country thinking the Muslims of India will have a Democractic State, yet there is no sign of such a thing like Democracy. Why, because 70% of the people are illiterate who can be easily bought or brainwashed and made to accept. In the 30% literate ones, 5% of these are the rich Feudal Lords and Industrialists and their generations Like the Bhutto's,Sharief's Pagara's, Zardari's etc the most corrupt rule and safe guard and amass their wealth. The rest 25% of the literates end up as educators, army officers, lawmakers, etc of these 10% are again bought and guided by their paymasters. What can the remaining 15% do, if any one rises up they can be easily crushed. So what happens, the Army has to rule and keep the illeterate and the masters down with there iron fists, these then start crying out loud for democracy to the World. Until and unless education,honesty, integrity,with love and compassion for a democractic Pakistan comes up, it is better that it is kept under control. I feel sorry I know because I have also belong to that unfortunate nation and had to exit out elsewhere where true democracy exists.

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saleem — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:23:54 GMT

Lorainne CA, I agree with your view 100%, what you say is the real truth --- the more they get the greedier and corrupt they become..
USA needs to stop giving aid to corrupt Goverments and dictators.

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Viktor Popp Mt.View MO.65548 — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:25:15 GMT

A repeat of the 1979- 1980 American screw up in Iran?President Carters Idea of solving the Musslim uprising
in Iran,gave us the Ayatolas and insane leaders of today.The Shah of Iran,a strong supporter of the US,
tried to sqash the riots in Theran.President Carter
took sides with the Mob,and pressured the Shah to give
up his power to rule.Promising Asylum to the Shah,and then denying entry into the US.[What a stand up Guy]
We are facing the results today.I compare todays
Pakistan,with 1980 Iran.President Musharraf,also a
supporter of the US, keeper and protector of all the nuclear weapons,needs our full support.It seems to me,
President Bush,and some other missguided Polititions
supporting a corrupt former exiled Ms.Bhutta.[like
Mr.Khomeni,he also used to live in exile in Paris]We
dont seem to learn from our mistakes,not supporting our friends 100%.Imposing our kind of unwanted Democracy,on other Countries,I call stupidity.Like the
old saying goes"HISTORY REPEATS IT SELF"

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Mike Flaugher — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:30:55 GMT

What if Musharraf really IS a good guy? We all seem to be so quick to jump on the "no good politician" bandwagon. And by does the other guy HAVE to be so terrible just because he or she has a different outlook or take on things? Unless I have good cause, the only people I serious distrust are members of the Press masquarading as objective journalists while being paid as progandists.

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jim young, dresden, germany — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:36:40 GMT

Pakistan will probably be the place where the whole thing comes unravelled. i'm quite doubtful that there is anything that anybody can do to stop it. a lot of people commenting here seem sure that it's Musharraf or Bhutto that's the bigger demon. how does one, meaningfully, make that determination? there are plenty of critics but i see no one who is better suited to govern that place and few times in the last half century which can be said to have been better. Pakistan was cursed as it came into being. the huge number of horrendous deaths both of muslims and hindus was unimaginable and the rancor from that horror continues to this day, some fifty years hence. if we want to blame somebody blame the Brits. they created Palestine/Israel, Iraq and Pakistan. i am not entirely serious in my last statement but partly so.
i'll conclude by saying that i have no way of knowing how really good or bad Musharraf is but i seriously doubt that there is anyone in the world who can govern pakistan well. can Bhutto do better? more importantly, is it ours to say, and, if it were, would we want to take the chance of finding out?

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nat patel, Dalla, Texas — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:37:39 GMT

I can not understand why people can not remmeber that both Shariff and Bhutto have ruled over Pakistan twice and have failed the people of Pakistan each time than how can they be efficient rulers when they could not do it twice when they had the chance and oppertunity. I can not even understand the present American administration on their insisting and helping Bhutto who has failed Pakistan and its people TWICE and who's father was the culprit that diveded Pakistan and made Pakistan a nuclear state his failed policies are the result of the state of Pakistan which it is in and the threat that the world faces because of his stupid policies.

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K. S, Ann Arbor, MI — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:49:25 GMT

Benazir is a corrupt power hungry woman who is being pushed by the dumbass democrats here who cant get their own house in order yet want to interfere in Pak's affairs....I am no fan of the Army, but Musharraf is much more sincere towards Pakistan that Benazir will ever be...her husband is a vile, filthy caricature of Pakistani politics and yet the dems want them in power?? How stupid!!

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Mahbina Waheed, Lahore, Pakistan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:56:02 GMT

Great article and thanks to everyone for their support. One person really got my goat. He says he wishes us well and then recomends bombing us. News for you my pall, Pakistan did not create the terrorists and their training camps, your wonderful free and democratic country did with the help of some other countries and some elements in our country. So dont dump the blame on us and think you can promote peace by bombing millions of innocents.

Is this your democracy. Kill millions of innocents and absolve yourself from all balme.

To the author, excellent job. Its a struggle for power and I hope we have the wisdom to choose the lessor of the "evils".

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Abdul Khan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:56:50 GMT

After hearing the "alarming" news through the Western Media about Pakistan, I decided to access on-line newspapers of that country and verify if the Pakistani's freedom of speech has been curtailed by Gen.Musharraf. To my pleasant surprise, I found not! I even read plenty of comments by the Pakistani readers criticizing the "State of Emergency" declared by the General.

Richard Engel must be able to give us more objective info on whether the crisis has affected the lives of ordinary citizens of that country. Also hope he has time to savor the delicious curry meals served there!

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Delmar Fairchild, Barron, WI — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:58:41 GMT

Can there be a Democracy in a Muslim country? We would like to think so, but the Imams who really control the people can be either Democratic or Totalitarian in an eye blink. We need to watch carefully who gets into power and where those nuclear warheads are stored or where they go. The US could be on the receiving end of one very soon. If we are, we need to take out all the muslim countries that even hint of having nuclear weapons for our own survival. It sounds harsh, but to turn the other cheek would not make a difference to a radical cleric.

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Ken Driessen, Hayward WI — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:00:45 GMT

What wouyld you call a majority of these people who write here? They don't like Bhutto who was elected. They seem to like President General Musharraf. They say Bhutto robbed Pakistan of 1.2 billion. Common you neo-cons, you think you're so smart. Where is your $11 billion that your hero GW gave to a dictator terrorist to fight the war on terror? The people who back Bush are either stupid or they are war profiteers. Carpet bombing of civilian targets, using cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs, putting bags on prisoners heads and water boarding them. Well what I call you shameful people begins with an 'n' and ends in a 'i'. By what I have read here, your souls are already dead and in hell. Give it up and have some love for fellow members of your homo sapiens species. Help us impeach Dick and Bush, who make money selling weapons to our enemies and more weapons to you to secure their oil profits from their friends like Saddam, Bin Laden family ect. This year you greedy bad spawn Bush lovers better shape up or you won't even get that piece of coal in your Christmas stocking.

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Anita, NJ — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:01:01 GMT

Bhutto has stolen from the hard working people of pakistan. Her children and husband live comfortably while the middle and lower middle classes toil and sweat to make ends meet.

Pakistani's despise Bhutto - While I certainly don't agree with Musharraf's approach of forcibly staying in power, I think this entire political drama that Bhutto is playing, by crying to anyone who will be foolish enough to listen that a suicide bomber tried to kill her (which suicide bomber gives you a heads up by blasting a bomb 1000 feet away from you first?) (I am convinced this was all self directed), to staging protests (only after she realized that Mush was not going to relinquish anything to her...(ah how will she make more money for the poor zardari kids?).

Benazir please leave Pakistan...maybe it's time for you to join Mian sabib in SA and live out the rest of your days repenting about how you have destroyed the country that gave you so much.

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Irfan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:06:22 GMT

One is corrupt and the other one, more corrupt! What do you do? Pakistan of today is faced with the million dollar question of embracing the lesser of two evils and be giddy with glee that they made the right choice.

Bhutto is an entity which has been tried and tested and found rotten, twice. Those of you who are not aware of the hogwash which is Pakistani politics should read the post of Shaheer Ahmed above to get some idea.

Who should Pakistan turn to lead the country out of this turmoil, who would be the leader. In the recent past some personalities have risen to the rank to show off their metal such as Aitzaz Ahsan. Although he belongs to Bhutto's party but he seems thoroughly disgusted with her and has led on his own the the fight for the re installment of the chief Justice of Pakistan few months back. In the process has earned the respect of many. Imran Khan, to some is another option. A foreign educated man, sportsman of fame and a proven leader, moderate yet no hypocrate and not completely out of touch with the reality of Pakistan. If any body these two are good options for the next leaders of Pakistan.

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Irfan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:14:58 GMT

Trust me, to some, Bhutto is back for one and one reason only! To pull off another job of cleaning up Pakistani coffers. The scent of the money is strong, and she has the blueprints of the vaults. IT is just that easy. Walk over and pick up whatever you can carry.

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Dada — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:27:34 GMT

Just another Nazi power struggle. Either way the US power monkeys win.

US sheepizens are used to that, huh?

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wyatt, Buffalo, N Y — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:33:38 GMT

Corruption is endemic to society - where-ever and what-ever be the economic or political system. But when those that are in power, themslves orchestrate the 'lead' in greed, conspire to remain un-accountable and the people continue to suffer in tyranny, it's always the correct time to intervene on the side of the people. In the region under scrutiny the religiously intolerant genie was released from the bottle, by us, and whole-heartedly assisted till they drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan.
Now the chickens come home to roost!
The Rove-Cheney-Bush 'intellect' contrived to formulate a sort of alliance of: a military dictator who has carried out a coup against himself; and a wealthy, recognized as corrupt, known autocratic politician of sorts to be their proxy in attempting
to suck the genie back into a different bottle under the pretense of giving rise to a 'democracy 'that would overcome religious intolerance.
Is that a joke? or is it a Joke. The once well-meaning Musharraf failed to bring Sharif and Bhutto to the trial that their abject performance deserved. Then in 7 long years he miserably failed to bring into leadership positions and nurture the necessary alternative of GOOD leaders from within the political parties of those despised and discredited two. He has behaved totally ir-rationally ever since he had Sardar Akbar Bugti of Baluchistan killed. And the Red Mosque massacres, and the attempt to have himself declared president for another 5 years without holding an election to so decide, and the failed attempt to 'sack' the highest judicial authority in Pakistan and then the 'emergency' and the criminal clamp down on civil liberties and human rights are all there for us to see.That proves that he has
been recognized as power-hungry and has now lost the respect of a large percentage of the people. He is no more the answer to the well-being of the people. Bush needs to stop repeating the sense-less phrase "stay the course" in this situation The Pakistan Army possesses the potential to safe-guard the country's nuclear weaponry and now in this internal turmoil to provide the people of Pakistan with the alternative of a SYSTEM that will ensure that the NEXT ELECTION BE FREE AND FAIR. We should advise the speedy setting up of a PROVISIONAL Council of leadership comprising personalites of conscience such-like Aitizaz Ahsan, Imran Khan, retired Lieut.Gen. Hamid Gul, Adil Najam and more from the provinces, for this purpose. With firm committments on oath from this proposed Council to relinquish control "soon after" the setting up of the future administration, the people of Pakistan may well see the advantage of setting up a firm date for the next election. The Pakistan Army under the guidance of the next in line, who-ever it may choose should remain in the background this time.
In closing,let us not forget that, historically, the "suicide-bomber", usually, is a product of deep dedication to a cause that surpasses their most cherished possession, ie life. To think that one should impulsively wage a shooting war naming it "terror" and then expect to "win" is sheer foolhardiness. The 5 year long rape of Iraq is in the foreground here. Such genies, so-released, will, in the long-term, need to be handled, for realistic out-come, with measures other than stupid war-mongering.

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A.Amdani, Northbrook, Illinois — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:34:03 GMT

Bhutto bacame prime-minister of Pakistan in late 80's and 90's. Nawaz Shareef bacame prime minister twice in 1990's. Both were totally corrupt, destroyed the economy and gave support to fanatics like Talibans. Bhutto , specially is more popular with her masters in USA than with people of Pakistan except in her ancestral village. Let us hope that elections are honest and transparent. If they are, this corrupt pair from past does not stand a chance.

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Bill Shorey,Millinocket,Maine — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:18 GMT

Snuffy Smith said right."One man one vote-thats democracy.Why would waste your vote on a politician?"And thats true in Pakistan or America.Corruption is rampant throught-out the civilized world.

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Salma Warraich, Karachi, Pakistan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:37:26 GMT

Thanks Richard for bringing some perspective. John Doe, I love your logical solution; wishing us well yet bombing us into oblivion. Judging by your cavalier approach, I'm fairly certain you voted for Bush.
Benazir Bhutto is an arrogant self serving thief. There is no other word for her. Let's not forget that she left the country bankrupt, had her own brother shot down in cold blood and committed the worst human rights violations during her two stints ... all for power and money.
If you want to get rid of Musharraf, it will be at the cost of not just Pakistan, but Afghanistan, Iran & Iraq falling to the fundamentalists.

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Shah, Overland Park, KS — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:39:06 GMT

Richard - Excellent news coverage!!. The solution for the betterment of Pakistan's Future lies in having a solid building block of strong Democratic institutions, Justice System, and Educational Revolution. These building blocks will guide this Nation away from extremism of all sorts, ethnic and gender inequalities, dependencies on Foreign aid and depths of ignorance. The Republic of Pakistan stands at a crucial crossroad where the best help a Friend and ally like United States can give to the People of Pakistan is the gift of moral support and guiding light towards true freedom of Democracy. Let this symbolic gift from U.S be ‘Statue of Liberty’ for a Nation yearning to come out of 60 years of distressful darkness to the true enlightened liberty of masses. It is important that U.S understands this opportunity of goodwill to foster democratic forces in motion and not align itself with morally corrupted stooge Generals and selfish Benazirs. The propagandists and ignorant fools will drum up the fear cards of religious fanaticism and nuclear fiascos, but the goodwill by U.S and West in support of removal of this Mushy regime will pay enormously in the fast forward Future as dividends in Trust and Friendship. We should not view protests against Mushaaraf as something against the interests of U.S but rather as birth pains of a Democratic Nation ready to bloom as a responsible state on the World stage.

The Billion of Dollars in aid to the World’s impoverished and allies is a nice gesture but we should be needful of our people in U.S before meddling in affairs of others and becoming a ‘Rich Dad’ solution for them. It is better to guide Nations like Pakistan towards a true Democracy than giving them loads of money with no committed solutions. The only funds if possible should be given towards the strengthening of above given building blocks for the allies. We should be spending the tax payers money towards improving Health, Education, Economics and Security of everyone in good ole’ United States towards a prosperous Future. It is time for U.S to reflect and act internally …and drop the imperial stooge baggage of Mushies, Benazirs, Hosnis and Saudis of the World.

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Dada, KCMO — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:45:12 GMT

Kind of similar to Hillary (Bhutto) Clinton getting a piece of the "Bush" machine.

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Dean Dickerson, Anita, IA — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:47:18 GMT

OK, so now we have the Bhutto, Sharif, Musharraf, the Taliban and al Quida all clamoring for control of Pakistan. One is just a corrupt as the
other. Maybe, if we play our cards in our traditional mannor, we can spend billions supporting another looser, and Al Quida will end up with
Pakistan's nuclear arsonal, whoopee!

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khushal khan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:50:59 GMT

Pakistan needs me as its new leader. A Pashtun, and i will personally restore democracy as we enjoy it in the west. The best and most honest and strongest and most beautiful people of the world are the Pashtuns and if the get educated, watch out world, we will have a new world order. freedom and democracy.pakistan can not last without a pashtun leader.Khushal Khan

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Joe G., MN — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:21 GMT

All governments are corrupt and the leaders only do care about making themselves rich. That is the way it has always been and always will be. I have been also thinking that there are cultures out there where Western Democtacy just won't work because of their religious beliefs. Anyone ever think of that? They depend too much on the Koran and don't or have never read the rights of man. If they would teach that or about the Magna Carta maybe they would open up. But until they stop using a relitous text for how they govern Western style Democracy won't work. What else is needed is for someone from a major political party to stand up and say as I am about to say.
"On behalf of the Indepdence Party of Minnesot 3rd Congressional District, We support the PEOPLE of Pakistan in their struggle for freedom against terror, exploitation, and movement to a greater voice in their goverance to be a free and Independent people."
Good luck Pakistan and the rest of the Middle East.

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Tariq Bashir — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:13:14 GMT

Great piece once again.
Being a Pakistani living in the US, it is quite embarrassing to see what Pakistan has to offer to the world. i.e. Bad News!
I would like to request you if possible do a story on Imran Khan, a harsh critic of President Musharaf. One of the most popular Pakistani politician within the Pakistani & Indian communities across the US is this guy. He has massive support in the younger generation, although he has been termed as Anti-American, the truth is quite the contrary. He maybe against the US policy, just like many of us here but NOT against the US, as a country. Being a disgruntled Republican, I was surprised to learn that Gov. Jeb Bush was shocked the way he was enthusiastically taken in a gathering in India, where he was visiting, where Imran Khan was also present as a guest.

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john doe, ny,ny — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:31:42 GMT

Didn't Musharraf say he was going to step down as head of the Army if he was elected. (doesn't mean he will do it though) He was confident that he would be elected. He was banking on democracy. The courts were about to say he couldn't run. What kind of democracy is that when the current leader can't run because political judges say he can't. His only choice was to get rid of the judges or leave a power vacume that would destroy his country. He didn't do a good job of explaining that though. Here we trust Judges, what happens when judges are political?

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Carson Bevan, Canton, Georgia — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:33:06 GMT

Finally, some truth gets reported. Thanks Richard! Despite the media's blind hatred of Bush, Musharrif is the better of the evils. Real leaders must make difficult choices, and Bush has chosen correctly. He has also stayed true to his principle of protecting democracy at all cost by vigorously opposing Musharrif's crackdown, despite the potentially disasterous alternative of Bhutto actually gaining control in Pakistan. That's just the plain truth reality and once again Bush is denied credit while the dishonest leftist media spin it as "Bush supports dictator Musharrif against democracy and Bhutto". People better realize that hating Bush is not a legitimate basis for deception, propaganda and spin to undermine American interests simply to oppose Bush. Thanks Richard, for reporting some truth - even though it doesn't hurt Bush.

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Bohdan Szejner — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:49:59 GMT

I think that Bhutto is a nightmare come true. When this woman speaks, you can see in her face that she is thinking something else. Neither is Musharraf an ideal solution, but if I were to choose between two evils, I would have probably chosen him. He at least is a known evil! But the truth is that Pakistan is on major crossroads of its history. President Musharraf miscalculated Bhutto's evilness, and allowed her into the country. Now the gene is out of the bottle in Pakistan. Will electins solve the quandary? They better do. But the U.S. should not play into Bhutto's hands by demanding the elections right away before there is clarity and freedom to act democratically at the ballot box! I wish I could help more, but the ball is in the hands of those who allowed this mess to develop, the diplomats, the C.I.A., the military planners, all those who hold power, not to count State Department and the Administration! We the American People are just peons, barely able to feed ourselves with the falling dollar!

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Naureen, San Jose, CA — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:10:48 GMT

Benazir Bhutto was the most corrupt Prime Minister of Pakistan. There have been rumours of domestic violance between her and husband Zardari. She always acted like a weak Eastern wife. How can she claim that she can take Pakistan out of turmoil. Her husband lets her on the loose when she is fighting for the post but when she gets it, he is the actual prime minister and not her. Pakistani people should do something to stop her. I wish i can do something from US to help. Musharraf belongs to middle class, he has not stolen Pakistan's money, even if he has acted like a dictator at times,he has given people a lot of freedom. He will not live forever but i believe that he has given Pakistanis a taste of freedom of expression that they will not forget. We owe this to him. He should be supported in his cause.

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Naureen, San Jose, CA — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:16:28 GMT

Don't forget Benazir Bhutto leaked important secrets to India regrding Khalistan Issue. That was a time of tension between India and Pakistan. Kashmir issue has not been resolved yet. As a Pakistani it was her job to use any opportunity to put pressure on India to solve the problem, but she let it go.

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colin, vancouver, bc, canada — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:34:08 GMT

Should ask both Musharraf and Bhutto to subject themselves to a investigation of their net worth-and explain how they amassed such a fortune

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Alain, Los Angeles — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:56:03 GMT

Pakistan always has and always will be a basketcase of a nation. The world must understand the consequences of what can happen in that country if everything is not all right. This is no time to discuss democracy in a country that mass produces terrorists for export all over the world. These guys have a every chance of winning a clear and fair election even if it may be a coalition. See what evolved in Iran after the Shah! See what happened in Palestinian Territories! Imagine scores of ready to aim nuclear weapons controlled by by a democratically elected Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

US and the West should have developed and groomed Musharraf's underlings for such an eventuality. Why is US only responsible for this rogue country. Why is the rest of the world standing by? The stakes are high for everyone.

Bomb the nuclear facilities and then let them have their democracy.

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Mazhar, Karachi Pakistan — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:11:02 GMT

"Independent Judiciary"

Let me write few lines about the "independent judiciary". There was never an independent judiciary in Pakistan. I hate to burst the bubble but Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudary does not represent independent judiciary. He was one od those judges who took oath under previous PCO (order imposed when Musharraf last came into power). It is ironic that he went out the same way.

He has no right to complain as he himself was a product of PCO. If anyone who needs to be commended then we should commend the judges who did not take oath under the previous PCO.

This man is a self centered person with a feudal mentality. He is in bed with Nawaz Sharif and both are pro extremists. This guy was releasing terrorists and called for Lal Masjid and Madrassa to be rebuilt.

Don't get too much excited for the "heroic judges who did not take oath under PCO". Little knowledge is a dangerous thing and this is what is going on here. I would advice everyone to form opinions based on facts and after going through all aspects.

Benazir is ok when it comes to her views on extremism but she is hated in Pakistan for her corrupt rule. Was she the one who gave Pakistan 100s of channels? NO! Her rule was more dictatorial than Musharraf? Was she the one who brought bills for women and minorities? No!

The only real and sincer moderate in pakistan is Musharraf. His problem is that he is from Army. Remember Musharrag did not elect to come into power. he was in the air when he was removed but the top brass of army supported their leader, removed Nawaz Sharif and made Musharraf the man in charge. So when he landed in pakistan, everything was done already.

So what's the solution if Nawaz Sharif is extremist, Benazir is corrupt and Musharraf is dictator. Unfortunately, in a country where 70% of people live in villages and where feudalism is present you cannot have a Unites States type democracy! There will never be such situation until you get rid of feudalism. Nawaz and Benazir are feudals with unlimited wealth. Their seats are secured and they will keep showing up again and again.

My hope is that Musharraf (who is the only sincere leader to pakistan and a geniune moderate) needs to be there at all cost. I am worried that if he is not there for some more time then these feudals will come back, loot and destroy and that will lead to insatbility of 1990s which favors extremists.

Musharraf has to be there to keep these in check. Ideally (if there is no feudalism) these politcians should not be there but i think they will come back now but we need someone to check on their activites.

Thanks

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John, Philadelphia, PA. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:11:31 GMT

It is the USA and China(They both cheat each other too) who have made Pakistan a nuclear power. It is the Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who craeted Taliban and Al Queda. It is the Pakistan who is most rouge state on earth with nuclear weapons and if US and China(near future's "the" most dangerous super power ever) considers Pakistan their "budy", We have "Axis of Evil" right there. No need to tell it to Iran or North Korea.

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Jack, Arlington, Texas. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:05:18 GMT

Madam Prime minister Bhutto is nothing but a beautiful crook and an opportunist ! A leopard never changes its spot. She had no problem making deals (to drop corruption charges against her) with General Musharraf while he still wears his miltary uniform. Presently, she is using the public discontent to make Musharraf's uniform a major obstacle to democracy in Pakistan. Her record as a very corrupt prime minister speaks for itself.
I was one of those that felt that spreading democracy in Iraq is a good thing. However, watching so many Americans die and the ingratitude of some people in Iraq has greatly changed my view. I certainly believe that Musharraf can do better in terms of ridding Pakistan of Terrorist and reducing corruption. He will not deliver OBL because he knows that if he does, the U.S.A will cut down on its aid to Pakistan.We need to put more pressure on him to deliver OBL.
We have to ask ourself if madam Bhutto has the courage to go after extremist in Pakistan. Would she, in an Islamic country have been able to deliver Khalid Sheik Mohammed and others to the U.S.A after 9/11 ?
As previously expressed in this forum,democracy that works in the U.S.A will not necessarily work in other parts of the world. There are just too many variables. We can only hope for a modify form of democracy that reflects the culture and aspirations of the Pakistani people. The only victims here are the Pakistani people. I hope that things work out for them.

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Faiz Khalil — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:56:24 GMT

In any developed and civilized country, Judicary is free and independent.For any country to progress financially,socially and democratically,it is must to have independent judicial system. Without that there always be uncheck corruption,Favouritism and political instability. Musharraf and Benazir both dont want an independent judiciary in Pakistan.So they can never work for the cause of pakistan.In fact they want power to work for their foreign masters and get good rewards.This is so unfortunate that in the history of pakistan most dictators and politicians left the high chair of the country either in disgrace or with a dead body. Benazir was disgracefully fired from premiership twice.Same happened with Nawaz Sharif.Prime minister Zufiqar Ali bhutto was executed while General Zia was blown up in the Air when he was on a flight to Islam Abad.The list is very long.Looking at the whole picture in pakistan at present, I can see general Musharraf will face the same fate,A disgrace or being taken out.

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Al, Columbia, Md — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:03:42 GMT

Musharraf is a great President, he made the mistake of letting Bhutto in and everyone is now realizing she is nothing but a power hungry woman. President Bush will be making a wise decision in supporting Musharraf because he is the only sane person there who will help Pakistan and the US.

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Bill Barnett - Tarpon Springs Florida. — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:46:26 GMT

Good for you Lorraine. I liked your write up. It made perfectly good sense, the more money we send the deeper we get into dept. We all know that every penney we use these days we borrow from the "WORLD BANK" then China,Japan,Germany,France rush out to cover our debts, but some day they will call in these debts, then what. Like you say we must start today counting our pennies and look after this good ole USA. God bless America.

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TORONTO ONTARIO — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:04:10 GMT

Musharaf, although a general has a better democratic mindset than that of Benazir & Nawaz put together.He is not corrupt either.I am shocked to see people like Etizaz Hassan & Sherry Rehman supporting Bhutto knowingly that she is corrupt. It is shameful for Etizaz Hassan to talk about justice when he continues to support a corrupt leader like Benazir.

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TORONTO ONTARIO — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:04:25 GMT

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Swetha, India — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:57:29 GMT

Dear Richard,
You truly understand the mindset of the EAST!. Take care and stay safe.

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Riz,Islamabad — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:58:32 GMT

Richard,for thanks unveiling the cosmatic face of Bhutto.She is simply a corrupt & abnormal character
who is only obssesed with power.you are very right that Bhutto’s regime is remembered for having one of the worst human rights records in Pakistan's history, and her government did not allow the media freedoms she criticizes Musharraf for crushing.So we must not be unfair to a person named Musharraf,who genuinely put Pakistan on the road to democracy.The first step towards that was an enormous freedom of speech,granting liecences to more than 50 private channels,no restriction on all level of criticism.These are just a few steps that has already put us on the path of democracy.and now Musharraf is paying the prize for pushing the nation gradually,on right course.The real problem lies within the US & west policy which is fickle in a sense that they have never been sincere regarding democracy in Pakistan.Because a stable democratic Pakistan,would never serve the best vested interest of west & US in this region.The west policy would remain the same with change of faces,and the top candidate would be the one who would best serve their vested interest in Pakistan.So please don't play conspiracy theories in Pakistan.We have already paid stupendous prize for fighting your wars after wars in this region.

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Pakistani iternational — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:40:45 GMT

How to take a holiday in Pakistan
By Hugh Sykes
BBC News, Pakistan

Suicide bombs, battles in tribal areas, and states of emergency tend to put off casual tourists. But the impression such events convey can often be misleading and unrepresentative of a country as a whole.

A few days ago I was sitting in a cafe sipping best Italian espresso and reading a news magazine.

The front page was full of furious faces and clenched fists under the headline, The Most Dangerous Nation in the World isn't Iraq, it's Pakistan.

Hugh Sykes journey took him to the Chitral Valley in north west Pakistan

The cafe was in a smart bookshop in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad.

I sighed and turned to the article inside.

It was a revealing analysis of some penetration of a few places in Pakistan by the Taleban and al-Qaeda.

I pondered the magnifying-glass effect of dramatic news coverage.

The suicide bomb attack on Benazir Bhutto's homecoming parade in Karachi in October, which killed an estimated 140 people, and the assault on a Taleban pocket in the Swat valley, a tourist destination, took place while I was in Pakistan.

But neither event had a noticeable effect on the general sense of security and stability where I was in Islamabad or on the road.

The notion that Pakistan is more dangerous than Iraq is absurd.

Until recently suicide bombs, murder, and kidnapping were routine in Iraq.

And there is no way I would do there what I have just done in Pakistan: take a holiday.

Never alone

I hired a car in Islamabad and headed out onto the partially completed M2 motorway that will eventually connect Lahore (near the Indian border) with Peshawar (the last city on the road to the Khyber Pass and Afghanistan).

But motorways are boring, so I left the M2 and re-joined the ancient Grand Trunk Road, which links most of the main towns of northern Pakistan.

FOREIGN OFFICE TRAVEL ADVICE
We advise against all travel to areas where there are reports of military or militant activity...
We advise against all but essential travel to Quetta (Balochistan) and... against using the rail network or bus services in the whole of Balochistan
There is a high threat from terrorism and sectarian violence throughout Pakistan...
You should avoid any demonstrations or large gatherings of people

Full FCO advice for Pakistan
For much of the route it is lined with eucalyptus trees, their almost-autumn leaves and silvery bark shining in the clear October sun as I drove along.

Driving in Pakistan is fast and sometimes chaotic, but not competitive.

They even hoot politely. And one great danger at home you hardly ever have to contend with in Pakistan is drunk drivers and people with concentration blurred by hangovers.

My destinations were Chitral, an isolated valley in the far-north-west on the Afghan border and Gilgit, close to China and Tajikistan.

The round-trip was more than 1,200 miles (nearly 2,000km) and included mountain passes almost half as high as Everest.

And although I was driving alone, I was hardly ever on my own.

There is public transport but not a lot. So, people walk long distances along these high stony roads and if a car passes, they hold out a hand hoping for a lift.

Twelve-year-old Kashif, one of Hugh Sykes' companions on his road trip

One morning, 12-year-old Kashif sat with me for a while.

He had been expecting to walk for more than an hour to the nearest town, to buy a new pair of shoes.

He showed me the pair he was wearing. The right shoe's upper was half split away from the sole.

Kashif spoke almost perfect English, good enough to warn me as we turned a tight bend, "Be careful, uncle, road badly damaged round next corner from earthquake."

Earthquake damage from 2005, still unrepaired.

I spent the night at a hotel next to the old fort at Mastuj, near the snowy Hindu Kush peak Tirich Mir which is 7,690m high (25,200 feet).

The hotel consists of small timber and stone cabins set in a wood of walnut trees and poplars and a plane tree reputed to be 200 years old.

I woke to autumn colours every bit as wondrous as anything I have seen in Kew Gardens or New England.

My next hitch-hiking companion was Mohammed, an English Literature student at Peshawar University.

"So you study Shakespeare?" I asked.

Mohammed, an English Literature student at Peshawar University

"Yes, and Wordsworth."

And John Donne, I wondered?

"Ah, John Donne," he raptured.

"John Donne... the poetry of love."

I do not know any Donne by heart but when I attempted Shakespeare's Seven Ages of Man from As You Like It, Mohammed completed every line as we bumped along the dusty road.

Parts of Pakistan are deeply conservative, devoutly Muslim places, and I was not signalled for lifts by many women.

But there were some.

A mother and grandmother, sitting in the back, their heads covered but not their faces and one-year-old Anis and his father Samir in the front with me.

He protested when I took a photograph of the two women but they did not object and posed happily as they waited for the flash.

When I delivered them to the Gilgit hospital where the little boy had an appointment with a heart specialist, his father was so pleased and grateful he gave me a bear hug, and a massive smile that erased his earlier stern objections to taking a picture.

I gave lifts to more than 20 people, learned how to say "You're welcome" in Urdu (Koi Batnahi), and had to hold back tears when two children said thank you for their lift and offered me money to help pay for the petrol.

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday 10 November, 2007 at 1130 GMT on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.

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M raj — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:56:38 GMT

A failed state loaded with Nuclear weapons ! This sums up Pakistan, Musharraf and Bhutto cannot repair this. People who think Musharraf is safe are fools . He cheated everyone all the time with sweet talk while continuing to play "commando" games from behind using ISI. Perhaps Pakistan can be colonized by USA with a long term plan of 50 years to eradicate weapons completely?

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jorge — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:05:56 GMT

>>>The people of Pakistan have been misled and bamboozled. Corruption and feudalism has destroyed the country. Terrorism has devastated the common folk. Pakistan has the ability to become a great nation, hopefully the Judiciary gets the power to root out the necessary evils and pave the way to a true democracy.<<<

Scratch out "Pakistan" and insert "the United States" and your statement is even more truthful.

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Georgia — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:18:41 GMT

Dear Richard, Great to see you Tuesday conducting the interview with Musharraf. Excellent reporting as always. In the interview with Musharraf it was interesting to hear some of his answers. I don't not think that journalists should be taken with her because of the way she presents herself. Yet as you state in the article she does have a flair for the dramatic. Musharraf may have a point is saying she "distorts the facts" because she wants to receive a certain response from her supporters. Neither Musharraf nor Bhutto is the answer to all of of Pakistans problems. Musharraf may be the lesser of two evils as others have written. I hope she remains under house arrest because it seems when she emerges even more violence occurs. More developments will come in the next few days. Thank you for your continuing amazing reports Richard! Stay safe as always! Peace to you always!

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Lazarus the Teacher — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:38:48 GMT

This is typical "two party" BS. Musharraf and Bhutto are proven to be corrupt yet these are the only choices that Pakistan will be allowed to have. America is forcing Democracy down everyones throat, but fails to tell the little man that your choices are going to be limited by the powers that be. Both of these individuals are corrupt, but how is that any different than Guiliani vs Clinton '08? American democracy is a sham for capitalistic greed and that is what we are 'infecting' the rest of the world with.

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Khalid Yusuf, Karachi Pakistan — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:49:17 GMT

So good to see some people in the US not jumping at the chance to shove Benazir down our throats. I would rather vote for Ariel Sharon as the Prime Minister of Pakistan than Benazir Bhutto and her husband, Mr 10%. They should both be hanged!

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Lisa — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:03:59 GMT

Too much print is spent on describing the Musharraf/Bhutto political dynanmics when neither will rule long either togther or apart. Start informing your readers about the demographics, the role of the political Islamists parties, Imran Khan's growing popularity and wild card political role, the anti US sentiments in Lawyers Group...tell us about Pakistan ...which is more than just Musharraf and Bhutto...

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Pacheck — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:13:31 GMT

Lets see if I got this straight. You have Musharraf who is a mindless dictator and Bhotto who is a mindless criminal in a power struggle for a country that has atomic capabilities. I don't see where we have a dog in that fight. We Americans need to realize that we are not the world police and we do not have any business interfering with other people. Sell them conventional arms, yes. Foreign aid, definately no.

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Alex Sabur Sr. — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:27:00 GMT

I am not a politician and I'm not taking sides but it is painfully clear that Ms. Bhutto has a lot of time on her hands and is now at the wrong place at the worst possible time. With the world at a Crisis point and particularly in the fanatical hot bed part of the world, she has no business choosing the most ill time to visit Pakistan and strutting around like a puffed up peacock making foolish anouncements and creating so much comotion and unnecessary deaths. Her visit is so inconsiderate of the people and to claim her visit is for the people's benefit is pure horse pucky! Somebody please put a one-way ticket in her hand and put her on a plane immediately to Venezuela. She can go bother Chevez the nut case there. Musharraf and the international community will resolve the crisis in Pakistan without this woman.
Thank you.

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jeg — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:58:10 GMT

I may not known acutally what is going on in Pakistan but I still hope that Ms Liberty can work with Musharraf for the people liberty from provety. Why fight when the people on the ground is hungry.

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Wasi, Islamabad, Pakistan — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:48:16 GMT

Strange, Richard got his facts & true pulse of silent majority of Pakistanis, better then most local journalists. Bhutto & Sharif are time tested failures openly groping for power. Musharaff maybe a poor judge of political intrigues but has emerged as an honest, bold and decisive leader. His fight against extemeists in Pakistan has been a sucess. 95% of Pakistan's mainland is clear. However remaining 5% tribal areas(The most difficult area in the world to operate) remains to be cleared. The best option for Pakistan today can be to opt out of war against terror, to rid itself from the manance of suicide bombers but we under Musharaff want to get rid of them permanantaly for a safe and modren homeland for our children. Musharaff is fool to have trusted Bhutto under US pressure. We also saw a ray of hope by reallignment of two moderate forces but it is clear Bhutto in her lust for power has choosen confrontation instead of compromise against extemists. Am sure Musharaff can deliver if freed from the shackles of democracy fudamentalists and is allowed to work independently. We are fed up from Bhuttos,Sharifs, Chaudris and Maulvis. Please spare Musharaff because silent majority wants him(The reason why masses are not comming out).