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Peter h. Christiansen, South San Francisco, California — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:47:17 GMT

It is appalling how awfully Putin treats ethnic Russians who were abandoned by Yeltsin and Gorbechov. These are Russians, not "aliens."

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Mike, Chicago, IL — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:12:06 GMT

I hope people who read this article do not relate it to our nation's illegal immigrant crisis. Illegal immigrants in Russia as described are not fortunate as illegal immigrants here in U.S. The U.S. news recently disclosed that large fraction of the medical emergency fund was consumed by illegal immigrants in the past, and the fraction of consumption is steadily rising. My understanding is that illegal immigrants do not pay any taxes, but they received benefits that are paid by legal residents and citizens (tax payers). I don't understand pro-illegal immigrant activists. Are they protesting for the better for Americans in general or for their own native people? I once was a legal immigrant and now a citizen, but I cannot connect to pro-illegal immigrant reasons. Illegal immigrants enter our nation without welcome, establish their residents, and demand citizenships. We are all Americans- Hispanic American, Asian American, African American, etc. Sub-culture is understandable, but we should be supporting our country and our constitution in primary. If each part of our society prioritizes our defense for our native people over the Americans, when will we learn to stand united as a nation?

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Weronika, Poway, CA — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:42:51 GMT

They are all just people trying to make a living. I am so sick of government disenfranchisement of the workers. I am fed up with Americans, too, who want slave labor for dirt cheap, but then scream "leave illegal" when they lose their own jobs. Sick, sick, sick!

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Jose Martinez — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:00:51 GMT

It is understandable but here in the U.S. the problem persists on a daily basis. There need to be tighter laws protecting Americans compared to what Russia is facing. Russia citizens are doing the same thing coming here illegally and attaining jobs that way too.
Chinese and Mexicans all need to be deported and made to come into this country legally on work visas and the other is prosecuting the companies who hire them to make them abide by the laws it is not just the illegals but the companies who hire them. Blame them for the influx of illegals into an economy that could be booming for all the right reasons.
Russia's police are crooked as are some here yet we have to abide by the laws and Russia makes its own mistakes and they suffer for it.
America needs to tighten its borders and commit to enforcing its laws abroad.

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alexei kruglikov — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:56:03 GMT

2 Peter h. Christiansen

You read the article but understood very little.
you need to be better informed before you post something like that.

where in this article do "ethnic Russians" are mentioned as illegal immigrants?

none of those illegals mentioned is ethnic Russian.

that doesn't remove illegal immigration problem though...but then it's common problem nowadays.

if one really want to blame some country leader for illegal immigration problem, then 1st blame should go to those where illegals come from, if those leader could make living in their country good enough, there'll be much less illegals in 1st place...
of course, if one knows no other leader from former USSR, but Putin, he doesn't have options -;)

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Andres, Chicago, IL — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:21:55 GMT

I really dont like how people keep on insisting that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. Maybe the majority but i know for sure that many do. If you kwne any illegal immigrants then you know that those who have been here for a long time pay taxes they get their checks and work for a hard honest living but most people view illegals as job stealing laborers but thats not true. They have to work to keep their jobs and have to live in constant fear that someone will rat them out. In Russia, say that the situation is different in the US. is a big mistake because isn't America built on illegal immigrants just like Russia? No Hispanic American, Asian American, African American Caucasian can say that they aren't illegal immigrants, except the African Americans that were force to come. The only people who can truly say that this is their land and that they own it is the Natives. But I agree with Mike "If each part of our society prioritizes our defense for our native people over the Americans, when will we learn to stand united as a nation?"

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w.j.bartel billerica ma — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:34:05 GMT

somewhere in time there were these magical boundries made up that tell people you can go here but not there, you can go there but not here. the mexicans that come into the u.s. are good for industry and local biusness alike. if people are worried about their jobs then get reeducated and learn how to do something more than mow lawns or pick oranges. they are just trying to get a little piece of that dream that allows them to live free and financialy secure lives. its hard to understand that a country that has more billionairs than most other countries combined can actually complain about people trying to come here and make fifty dollars a day. however it would be nice if the mexican government would step up and get some industry going down there.

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Uncle Jerry,Savanah,Tn. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:53:12 GMT

Notice everyone in the work groups is white - white workers should be given the jobs of the police if what is said is true.Give the crooked police varied jobs at half pay.In the USA if the illegal people were all white,there would be no problem.Let all the non white critters starve and vanish off the planet.

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Ivan Bojic, Enfield, Connecticut — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:56:56 GMT

Comments need to be approved so that they are not against what you guys are saying? Where is the freedom of speech? I know this is not related to the article, but shame on you.

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Connie, Michigan — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:59:41 GMT

I keep reading and hearing everyone say, "Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes" I want to tell you, that is not always true. I worked for a labor-support company that hired many illegal people. These people were given paychecks and they do pay taxes. They can never claim a penny of it. They never get a fat income tax refund, and they will never see one red cent of what they pay into Social Security each and every week. They work hard. They work harder than people that have "Legal Status" because if they are lucky enough to get a job, they do everything they can to hold it. And these jobs that they do...how many of us will stand in line at 4:00 AM to get a chance to go clean the Waste Water Treatment Plant?? We need a reform to help everyone. America used to welcome people and give them a chance, but how many of you can honestly say that we still stand on the same principles? I do not care to see the tears of another child as she/he waves goodbye to Mommy and Daddy because they did the horrible thing of coming here illegally to give them a better life.

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Nathaniel Carr, Bham, AL — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:06:47 GMT

The government is not solely to blame in either country. There is a process for immigrants to obtain employment in nearly any country. We are just as much to blame as the government. The citizens are the solution to illegal immigrants working without paying taxes. Governments are not hiring these "illegals" - "we" are. I boy-cot every company/individual that use illegal immigrant labor. If they can not find a job - they will quit coming. This thought process is null if our government can not help "we the people" by enforcing inflictions upon the companies/individuals that take part of this ever-more popular way of stealing from each other. Theft - no-one can deny that not paying taxes is theft - not just of the U.S. but from the citizens as well.

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loy sonmor,sugarland,tx — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:08:43 GMT

what will cause this to explode is idiots like Sen Durbin of Illinois who wants to legalize those who have entered my country illegally.

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Chris Montanez Walnut Creek, Ca — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:23:29 GMT

The problem with illegal immigration has nothing to do with private industry. The problem is that "true americans" do not want to work unless they're paid huge dollars for low skill labor. Immigrants come to this country and literally bust their butts three times as hard as someone born and raised here. If all the immigrants disappered tonite, who would cut lawns, and babysit children for $100.00 per month? Not an african-american, an anglo-amercian or any american for that matter. And Russians do come here legally, it is very few that attempt to saty illegally, I married a Russian and understand the Russian community and their desire to become a part of this great nation legally. Folks get your heads out of the sand on this issue and ask yourself would you wash dishes for minimum wage 12 hours a day? I know I wouldn't and I'm born in the USA.

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From the Heartland — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:35:49 GMT

Mike, Thank you and Welcome.
Weronika - feel free to pack your bags and leave anytime. If you are 'fed up' with americans why are you here?

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Dustin, Flint, MI — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:39:45 GMT

Why would we allow illegals when we have a welfare class that refuses to work, i never understood that

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Jack Holmes, McComb, MS — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:05:50 GMT

I have been visiting Russia for over 10 years, and have watched as the situation is becoming more and more desperate (for locals AND visitors), under Putin. The police corruption is so widespread, and Americans are targets, rather than exempt.

I have Russian friends who have come to America LEGALLY, but have much trouble with our (corrupt) immigration department. Our agency looks the other way for anyone coming over the Mexican border (which insults the LEGAL Mexicans, who came here RIGHT), but they punish the Russians who try to obey our rules and come here right. I have watched this for 10 years and it is criminal how our agents treat good people who want to do the right thing. No wonder our borders are assaulted by ILLEGALS, today. We need to FIX our own agency!

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Chris Rodriguez, Opelousas, Louisiana — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:09:50 GMT

It is not surprising to hear news about crooked police and illegal immagrant abuse in Russia. Just look at their history of human rights. What is surprising and a shame is our lack of sympathy for those in need on our front porch. How many of our own ancestry relied upon the kindness of an open and free America? Where would we be now if not for the land of hope?

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Welmer Lathon, Milwaukee Wisconsin — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:25:19 GMT

Personally, I think the comments of Mr. Martinez and of "Mike of Chicago,Ill, (both sent on Friday, Sept.28), pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter of Illegal Immigration. I have a hard time accepting an Illegal Immigrant working here, as we're having a hard enough time balancing out budget without the extra burden. But, by the same token, there are a lot of Legal Immigrants who have honestly
earned a right to work and be here..and I'll be the first to say, without them, we'd be a whole lot worse
off. I'm only suggesting that we stim Illegal Immigration, not keep Immigrants from working here, heck..we all at one time or another were "The Immigrants". Only the American Indian has a legit claim to this land..(and look how we treated them..)

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Alexandra Renison — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:30:53 GMT

I think some people seem to be missing the point and actual subject of this article: immigration in Russia. It's a testament to the Putin administration's hypocritical and self-interested nature that this is being allowed to happen to these workers. How terribly ironic that on the one hand, Putin aggressively pursues a regional re-integration of the former Soviet republics and a monopoly on their oil resources (Kazakhtan, Azerbaijan, etc.), yet on the other, fails to acknowledge how badly their residents coming to work in Russia are being treated. This is a rare case where it would actually do some good for a top-level official, even Putin himself, to deliver some public rhetoric on the subject, and embrace the immigrants as much as they embrace the riches that they reap from their countries. Or at the very least, take public steps to clean up its Immigration Service, facilitate the registration process, and ensure the safety of ALL people within its borders.

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Joe Doe, Anytown, Whereverplace. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:34:14 GMT

Legal immigrants aren't so bad...

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N.D., California — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:34:21 GMT

You find this story played out in many countries, regions all over the world. The underlying theme is the conflict and symbiotic relationship between "the haves" and "the have nots". On one hand "the haves" provide the "have nots" a little more than they could have had while using their toils for gaining financially much more than they ever paid out. When it does not make sense economically "the haves" start crying foul, and want nothing to do with "have nots". And unfortunately it will go on happening as long as the human race lives, such is human Condition.

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Legal Immigrant, Denver — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:09:54 GMT

"I am fed up with Americans, too, who want slave labor for dirt cheap, but then scream "leave illegal" when they lose their own jobs. Sick, sick, sick!"

It is not the common Americans that wants slave labor for cheap, it is the greedy business and corporations that wants to maximize their profit by hiring the illegals and displacing the legal American workers. They claim that the illegals do the jobs Americans won't do. It is not the job, it's the wages. Who can support a family at $7 an hour? The illegals can because when paid on cash basis, they do not pay taxes, SSS, medical insurance... etc. Legal workers would only have less than $5 take home after the deductions. Generally, the families of the illegals live back in their home country where the dollar exhange translates to a good income. The worker here minimize spending by sharing housing expenses with several illegals. They don't have to pay car insurance since they cannot legally have license, they just ignore traffic violations. If the familiea are here, they get welfare benefits, free education and free medical. They would not admit it, but our government has provided the illegals special benefits that we, the legal citizens, cannot get.

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Joe G-town MD — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:19:53 GMT

I've been in the construction industry for 15 years and have seen the work force of most subcontractors go from predominantly White and Black to Hispanic in the past few years. Here in the DC Area, there are groups of Hispanics that gather also as they do in Russia trying to earn a days pay to feed their children as any responsible parent should do. I commend them for that. They take on the menial tasks that no others want or can afford to make a living at. To survive, most live 3-4 families to a household. They are hard workers although quality of workmanship is quite often lacking. But it peeves me to see millions of illegals crossing our borders (amongst those millions of illegals, thousands of murderers, rapists, and drug dealers running from the Law in their country, I'm sure...something we need less of) yet when legislation is passed for immigration reform, protests and rallies are held that America is being unfair and racist...
My girlfriend and I have worked hard for years to save enough and we might finally get our own house yet here's someone who just makes legal status as a citizen, barely been in this country 5 years, speaks broken English, lived in an overcrowded household saving thousands of untaxed dollars, able to buy a house and brand new vehicle. Who's being unfair?

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Richard, Laguna Niguel, California — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:56:51 GMT

Society can't have it both ways; either we get the benefit of really cheap labor to plow our modern day “cotton fields” or we pay legitimate citizens large union-type wages and grow at a snail’s pace.

When a nation employs millions of undocumented workers for sub-slave wages it should expect to incur a small additional surcharge in the form of providing access to tax payer-supported services, such as public schools, hospitals, etc.

The vast majority of the voting public in any nation (politicians included) are not educated well enough in macroeconomics to understand the symbiotic relationship growing economies have with slave wagers. Without a large pool of so-called undocumented workers (who also “steal” access to public services) no modern nation could feasibly support double digit economic growth.

Gross ignorance sustained by sensationalistic journalism and jingoistic politicians is responsible for the idea that undocumented workers are a drain to society. Ironically, if this same group of people really understood the actual economic tradeoff occurring, they would hail the harsh conditions, low pay, and lack of government protections as being perfectly acceptable…

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KC — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:05:52 GMT

There are no illegal people in American only Dreamers. If someone knows what it takes to get a residency even after everything is legal and perfect, they will not complain about legal status. Most people who complain about it do not realize that if today's laws are applied to everybody, this will still be a Native Indian country and they would love everyone coming in.

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Jose Baruch, Chicago IL. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:12:44 GMT

In response to individuals who are under the impression that illegal immigrants dont pay taxes. Illegal immigrants do pay taxes. Or do you think that because they are illegal the govt. tells them to keep their money? If they are employed, the state and the federal government will take their share, regardless of their legal status and most of that money goes unused by them. I personally know people who will not attend to their medical needs for fear of deportation or for fear of being too visible. A very large percentage of the immigrant popultaion does work and does not depend on the government for anything. They might use the medical system only in case of an emergency. that adds up to what? $900+ for the ambulance and a couple thousand dollars for services? If you have worked for 5 years paying state and federal taxes at a rate of $10.000 in taxes per year, that adds up to $50.000 contributed to big brother doesn't it? It is unfortunate that many people forget where they come from and will turn their backs on the less fortunate. If people had their needs fulfilled back in their countries do you think they would want to come to this country to be demeaned, harrased, and called names? I doubt it. I also came to this country legally but as a member of the human race I find myself compelled to lend a hand to those who need one, illegal or not.

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Concerned citizen — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:21:39 GMT

Illegal immigrants do not use medical emergency fund because they are afraid to be caught. They look for help among them. Furthermore, illegal immigrants do pay taxes. They contribute to the social security system, medicare and so forth without taking advantage of any benefits. Illegal immigrants do not get income tax return because they can't file for income tax return. Where do the millions of dollars end up being used? It is used by us the citizens. Do you believe those jobs performed by illegal immigrants will be filled with us. Yes of course but unless we raise the wages. Then we will have to buy tomates for $15.00 a pound or a head of lettuce for $5 to $8 each. I do not condole illegal immigrants but let's focus on issues more important like the economy, government expenditures, the war, etc. And not focus on issues such as building walls to protect us from illegal immigrants. History already taught us that this is not a solution (the wall of China, the Berlin wall, Ancient Rome. I would like to see who will wash dishes in restaurants for minimum wage. Without illegal immigrants we will pay a fortune for a meal at a restaurant due to higher wages. Think about that !!! Better yet thing about a logical solution, OK?

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leonel peekskill new-york — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:25:21 GMT

to make a living by working as labourers as most illegals are for one and the family is not is not a crime,being illegal in any country is a crime,so goverments you try to stop and if you cant than just accept it and mind you,we illegals do not get food stamps---nor un-employment---nor insurance---but yes we do pay taxes on all the day to day purchases just like evrybody else,on my social security fund even if i had one what would it be? landscaping 12 hours a day for $10.00

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Dave Thompson — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:05:46 GMT

I'm tired of hearing you stupid conservative @#%&*@ complain about immigration and how they all should try to do it legally!! let me tell you something, have you tried it?...apparently not! a story for you. I am an oklahoma born black american! I have been trying to bring my fiancee from Colombia here for 3 years now..LEGALLY.. this @#%&#@ government keep putting stupid obstacles in my way, if isn't one reason, it's another..heck, if she was cuban, she would have been here by now. so doing it the RIGHT way isn't so easy or sometimes even possible!! So Now I an AMERICAN CITIZEN may just be left with doing it the only sure way....illegally and frankly, I don't give a d@#&n anymore. I've got it figured out, and the plan is about to go into action! "persuit of happiness", not in this country anymore, it's a lie. if you're wealthy, you're welcome, if not, don't let the screen door hit you!! and for you "they use our resources freaks" I pay for my insurance and she will be on it!! it'a my da*n money!!

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Jerry, Dothan, AL — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:49:44 GMT

I feel so bad for anyone that is suffering because he or she cannot find work to survive. The US is having its own problesm of course. Any good economy needs workers of all type. Our system should be more liberal if we really want immigraion. But all should respect the law of the land. It would be great if other nations' economies would improve, so they can feed their people. Also other nations should educate their people on birth control. Most families in the United States and European countries know they don't need more than one to three children to support. As a child I was taught about the needs of every individual. To better each generation more resources must be spent to better them. This leads to a better educated and healthier society in the long term. Also there are values that are being taught in some homes and not others. We need to see to the long term of our country. There needs to be more vision. What will really attribute to making our nation stronger? There are policy changes that can make us a better people and usually education is a start. The world is full of ignorance, so change can occur faster by better eduation programs. All of our lives can be made better by more knowledge.

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ali, san diego ca — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:04:26 GMT

What Russia is doing is outrageous. It is almost like recruiting voluntery slaves.

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Anna — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:01:40 GMT

This picture of illegal workers made me cry. One of the men out there is my cousin from Moldova, a former U.S.S.R. republic. I knew he went for work to Moscow, but I didn't know that's what was expecting him out there.
There are thousands of broken families in my country because of the necessity of at least one of the parents having to find work in other countries. If they don't go, their family will starve, freeze, or get into debt they will never be able to pay off. My parents had to go and work in North Russia (legally) for two years when I was 12. I needed them then, but I didn't have them. I feel now for my cousin's kids, and all the kids out there growing up in real, deep poverty with one or no parents. There's no joy in that hard-earned money if the family is not complete.

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carol flynn — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:38:18 GMT

All persons are trying to do is make a living for their family. If you are going to deport illegal immigrants then deport companies along with them. Then all cheep labor will be together (worker and company). If americans would do the work for a decent wage then the work would not be elsewhere. Most americans are greedy want more work less.

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Los-Angelos — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:26:21 GMT

Who ever you are martinez you are just as immigrant as Russian people working in U.S.A or anywhere else chinese and hispanic get kicked out all the time cas toooooo much of you you know. You do not know Russia's police ........

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Dan Barnes, Bethlehem, PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:22:22 GMT

I think the problem with some Russians (as Americans) is they are tribal nationalists rather than just nationalistic. If they are interested in their country rather than their white skin they would consider the future. I value the IDEA of America more than my white skin - which has turned out to be a liability with 5 cases of skin cancer. (As a matter of fact my father-in-law came from Russia and he died of skin cancer even though he survived a concentration camp in WWII). There is a rising number of older people supported by less younger people in industrialized countries and it's wise to immigration policies for a diverse,skilled, young and healthy work force. Without immigration Russia and the U.S. will suffer since white people are not reproducing at a rate that will support a large young population base. Japan will be in bad shape, Mr. Roboto will not save every old person who's fallen and can't get up.
I live next to a large community from India. I share their resentment that any amnesty for millions and millions of Mexicans will not do much for their community since most Indian Americans are legal. (It took a long enough for American Indians to be legal too, but that's another matter!) Yet India has far times as many people and many can fill skilled jobs.
In fairness most illegal Mexicans are hard working and cause no problems. I just think that quotas for illegal aliens should matched by quotas for legal aliens.
Anyway, people don't like change, even if it's a good thing so what else is new? Everyone votes with their wallet and I don't want to be eating dog food when I'm old since there are not enough young workers. So there you have it - I'm really just out for my own hide after all!

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Chris, VA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:23:33 GMT

What is funny to me is that almost everyone turned their responses to being about America. Maybe the U.S. has some of the same problems and maybe they are related or not but the article is about Russia! And Russian Immigrants!
One person commented that these people are not like our mexicans because they are Russian. No they are not. The Soviet Union, in one aspect, broke apart because these people did not want to be considered Russian. So the idea that Russians are screwing over Russian is ridiculous.
What I think is the most interesting is the Police. The article is right, no matter hwo illegal the country needs these people right now or they would not be getting a lot done. I think the Police are taking every advantage of that, and I seriously doubt whether they see anything wrong with their actions. I am not sure if it means the police and the country are corrupt, but mroe that certain mindsets need to be changed, developed, or adapted.

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Joan Kaighn — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:09:05 GMT

I don't believe that the United States has the resources to identify every illegal immigrant currently in this country and we need to be realistic. If these illegals are law-abiding and currently working, they should be forgiven and allowed to stay and given temporary visas to work and allowed to apply for citizenship.
At the same time, we need to secure our borders and prevent further illegal immigration. It is we (the U. S. government) who have caused this problem by our lack of enforcement of immigration laws.
As far as Russia's problem, Mr. Putin needs to clean up his police forces. The "illegal" immigrants in Russia, mostly, were previously considered part of the Soviet Union and were then legal citizens. Their problem is a bit different.
I am a caucasian, 75-yrs old grandmother for the record (and a Democrat.)

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Richard Dowland — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:31:20 GMT

I blame the whole mess on the world itself.If people would just help their fellow man instead of just talking about it,as soon as the people of the world stop and take a look around were all stuck on planet earth.I agree we need laws but they should be to help and protect the people not the companys that do the major damage to the planet.We live in a world now where MONEY is first and PEOPLE are secound and whats going on in RUSSIA proves that small fish work big fish steal it.In the US its just out of control people need to work but do it the right way.

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al, hazleton, pa, USA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:02:36 GMT

immigration is part of nature, human nature. there was nothing legal or illegal in the migration of hommo sapiens from africa to europe, asia or america. There was nothing legal in the invasion of america by europeans. Everyone of these humans was looking to survive. It was a lot more barbaric before with the massive killing of natives. Immigrants around the world (legal or illegal) are looking for survival, it is not easy to leave your country, your ways, your family and friends and go somewhere else for mere survival where you risk not being accepted or understood because it will take you years to learn the language. All these people are simply ECONOMIC REFUGEES, victims of their countries goverments and international conflicts of ideologies. Yes we should have secure borders in the US and be able to scan them to make sure we let workers in and not criminals. We should allow as many immigrants in as our economy has being able to assimilate for the last 20 years. We need to reconcile with those that are already in the country and kick out those that are proven criminals. Let all immigrants pay taxes by legalizing them. Most of them don't have access to insurance or benefits because of their status enable them to pay for themselves, take them out of the shadows. One day you (or your children) may need to migrate. Show compasion so one day you may get compasion.

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Mark Neely, Little Guatemala, aka Lake Worth, Florida — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:27:34 GMT

Just remember the illegal alien does not pay taxes and is uninsured so social services and emergency medical services they receive are paid for by the legal taxpaying Americans. Not to mention the money they earn is mostly send back home as they live 10 to a house, would you like them next door to you. Great reminder as to the double standards in our system.

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Robert S., Glen Burnie, MD — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:04:50 GMT

So, we are concerned how badly President Putin treats ethnic Russians, are we? Perhaps we could show some of that concern to how badly the BUSH regime treats ethnic (NATIVE) Americans. The ONLY group in this country that has ANY right to bemoan its status is the Native American population. It has been a war of genocide since the Caucasians decided it would be a great idea to steal this country for themselvees. The freed slaves did their part as well in killing and decimating the indiginous population of this land by forming units within the US Army such as the Buffalo Soldiers. Humanity is a pitiful species and it is so true as stated in Scripture that "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS AMONG THEM, NOT A SINGLE ONE."

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jdenishuggard — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:15:32 GMT

hello-to quote re. martin luther king/our lives are over/when we cease speaking about things that matter""/globe&mail monthly magazine should be read by all/there are a huge section of russian "industrialists""based in toronto/montreal actively building empires in the 2billion range being plants spread througout eastern europe/formerly soviet sattelite countries/i personally was financing a huge plant in bresno/slovakia-which was the main russian t-ur soviet tank assembly plant called MOSTERERIN BRESNO INDUSTRIAif this plant were in canada-the 10 huge complexes would each be valued@250,000,000.cdn=25,000,000.therfore the russian activity in toronto in direct competition with ""mr.puten""who a swiss banker labeled A GANGSTER/thanks for inserting this narrative/jdhuggard

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Jim Abbott — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:26:58 GMT

Illegal immigration is a problem because it disrupts sovereignty. Sovereignty allows citizens to have a voice in their government and work collectively for the common good. On the other hand, illegal immigrants are people and offer productive labor. Also consumers and employers get the benefit from this labor. The solution to this dilemma is to tax the problem. There should be an extra fee for applying in country for immigrant status. ($500-$1000) There also should be a sales tax on the products that illegals produce such as housing. This would go to hospitals, etc. under strain from illegal immigration. Also consumers and employers would be prevented from unduly benefiting from illegal labor. This would allow illegal immigrants who truly would want to be citizens to work toward doing so.

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John — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:28:26 GMT

For America, economic growth is the most importnat and only goal of the state. Companies require illegal to provide cheap labor; citizens do not have the power to fight multi-billion dollar industries. Besides, illegals are benefiting America's economy, not to forget that there is consumption tax in most US states, sales tax, property tax (illegal can own property), etc. If it were the case illegals were a net deficit on the economy, the business elites in America, and the governments would have deported all the illegals immidiately. But they are a net gain, and hey, aren't all Americans concenred with economic grwoth?? Not me ofcourse, I'm the rare America liberal socialist

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Pandy — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:35:27 GMT

Just so you know, I have personal knowlege of a female immigration officer telling a female interviewee for citizenship here, (she was from Canada) if they didn't have a "quick relationship" she could kiss America goodbye. This Canadian won her citizenship in a special Lottery that we recognized. So barring any crimminal convictions on her part, she was already here legally. She was also told if she told anyone about the encounter, the FBI would come drag her out of her house and she would go to jail. She lived for years in fear. If you don't think it doesn't happen here boys and girls, you are sooo wrong. Real shame you think otherwise.

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Tom, Wichita, Kansas, USA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:40:49 GMT

In Russia today and so many times in the past, the people (locals or immigrants) are subject to a government that has no actual control of the entities it has responsibility over (police, immigration office, etc). There is also no desire by the leaders at the top in Russia today to make any changes to decrease corruption as it is the way it has always worked. With Putin in power it has and will continue to trend towards the worst. By controlling the transparency of how everything works, by locking down the media, corruption cannot be exposed and thwarted. In Russia, people will continue to be controlled by those with power, position, and money.

Immigration control is a common problem throughout the world and the problems are simple, but the solutions complex. How do you keep your societies fabric consistent with the influx of people? How do you keep the economic benefits from becoming a burden?

In America, we do in fact need and want immigrant labor. The question is how to allow this in a fashion that is fair to all parties involved. Nobody can blame anyone coming into this country for a decent paycheck to send home. We all desire to take care of our loved ones and ourselves. There just needs to be continual progress towards making the system clearly favor legal immigration and discourage illegal immigration. Most of us learned at some point in our life not to cut in line ahead of others. Illegal immigrants do just that, undermining the cost and effort of those going the legal route. So there needs to be more lines to jump into. We have a right to demand that people who want to stay here for prolonged periods of time and use our public resources learn our language and pay our taxes, just like most everyone else does. So, the companies that hire immigrant workers and benefit from their low labor costs can be the ones to pay for their language and civics lessons and be held responsible for their status with the government. At least most of the time, we don’t have to deal with corruption in it’s most obvious form, but we do have to come to terms with making the system work for those who want to come here. Hold employers responsible, including construction companies, for moving the numbers into the legal column.

Tom

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Bohdan Szejner — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:47:45 GMT

It's the ugly holy cow of unequal distribution of wealth that causes local unemployment and suffering to immigrants! What we have to do, is to demand from our government that the holy cows of Capitalism that no longer work, be revamped! The second holy cow that kills America, is the notion that free trade is possible with countries five times our size, populationwise! These two Trojan Horses are being kept in our system by the enemies of the American People and the world! These enemies, you probably guessed it, are the few super rich corporationas and individuals, for whom these two Troyan Horses represent a bonanza! How can we fight them back? We have our Senators and Representatives! They should not be elected to office, lest they swear to remove these two Trojan Horses!

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Taimoor L. , Karachi, PAKISTAN — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:48:45 GMT

I seriously don't understand why all these people are treated like they are scum. They belong to a country where they are not even provided ther basic amenities of life, let alone proper jobs. They are deprived of food, proper housing and healthcare and when they want to take maters into their own hands by working to better the lives of their families and their own; they are considered as criminals and illegal immigrants.

I am a citizen of Pakistan and like the US, we also have a face this great problem. People from countries like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri-Lanka, Nepal and Myanmar and found everywhere. Even a huge number of Chinese nationals are found in the northern and southern metropoli of the country. But these people, legal or illegal are given the chance to or become legal citizens. They get registered by the NARA (National Aliens Registration Authority). This enables them to work legally, pay taxes and have a quota to get admitted in educational institutes.

If a country like Pakistan offers illegal immigrants the chance to naturalise, so what is the deal with the US?

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Jimmy C.,New Orleans,La. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:09:11 GMT

let,s get real. look around new orleans. the average young american male is too lazy to rebuild his own house.if it wasn,t for the volunteers and illegal workers very little work would be done.too many young americans seem allergic to sweat unless it,s playing ball or jogging .

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Susan Huy, Ephrata, Pa — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:09:28 GMT

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Don B., TN — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:10:30 GMT

We in the U.S. have a seriosu problem on our hands. My issue is tht the illegals procreate and then claim citizenship when their child is born. That is not how the Constitution was set up. I blame the ACLU and the Liberals for making this an issue. The people born in the U.S. have a difficult time getting health coverage, but an illegal gets it all for nothing. That is a big issue. They have broken our laws and need to be deported. We in the U.S. may need to realize that drastic measures will have to be taken. I am against the plan to giving amensty to illeglas, they should have to apply like all the others who have done it the "right" way. The ones who have done it "correctly" try to learn our laws, our language, and do not hide behind their ethnicity. They want to adapt and also keep their heritage. Those are the people I am for.

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Debby, Louisville, KY — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:23:26 GMT

Please take the time to find out what would happen to Americans who entered a country illegally and tried to get jobs, get medical treatment, find housing. It would be no different for us in another country. Countries have to impose laws to protect the citizens in their countries. We treat illiegal immigrants MUCH better than other countries. Mexico would treat illegal American citizen immigrants terribly.

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Tecola Hagos, Wahington DC — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:27:44 GMT

I read the postings by ignorant "citizens" decrying about illegal immigrants, but as greedly buy cheap grocery produces/items without any hesitation as to whose labor produced such abundance. You all (who write against immigrants) should be ashamed of your selves; do not forget you are mostly the over indulgent children of immigrants, who neither fought or died for freedom except the few who have died a long time ago or afew left from World War II, who will not write such garbage as you did because they understand the human condition and are not braggarts. Read what is inscribed for all to see and read on the pedstal of the Statue of Liberty: "Give me your tired, your Poor, and your huddled masses yearning to breath free...."

Moreover, no one owens any land, air, water etc exclusively, for the "Earth" belongs to all, even to microbs let alone human beings who are "created in the image of God." So, shove your ignoramous hate-filled comment up your *****. Tecola W. Hagos

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d peters — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:39:03 GMT

The idea that ALIENS do not pay taxes is a totally with out merit. Sales tax for one is paid. Not all are under the table so FICA and such are removed before they get their CHECK. This is the issue for the government. The goverment KEEPS these monies KNOWING the worker will not file to get it back if they are below the level to keep it.

We must also take a look at the EMPLOYER on this issue also. WHO is the criminal here, someone trying to feed themselves and most likely family members also? WE are all immigrants to this great place if you take a LONG view of it. WE took land. WE killed the Indians and others. WE are polluting the land. WE are the best nation of the world? YES but it comes with a price.............. ENJOY THE COST FOLKS....

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Roger, Mesa, AZ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:40:12 GMT

What is amazing to me is that when a person in this country stands up against or at least disapproves of illegal immigration it is because we are racist. I wonder how many of the demonstrators or marchers in some of our big immigration rallies would have showed up if our problem was with illegal African, Chinese, or even Canadian workers. Very few for sure. They want special treatment for their own ethnicity and that is racism to me. It has nothing to do with racism for me, just obeying the law. If you come in legally I will shake your hand and give you a hug on the way in. But when the law says you can't come in and you do anyway, you have already started out in this country breaking the law.

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Ming Mao Chan, San Mateo, Ca — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:18:09 GMT

In order for every race of people to come together we must not favor one race over the other.
This is the United States of America. My family was Chinese immigrant to America during the 80's--Now We Are Chinese American Citizen. We were Hated on as Boat People F.O.B. ( Fresh Off The Boat People )
Because it was after the Vietnam War.
Back then we were so hated on by every other race of people including American Born Chinese.
(We have NO bitterness NO anger against anybody)
Back then nobody help us with Housing,me and my family--six of us stayed in a one room apartment with no bathroom in Chinatown. We know nothing about welfare, foodstamps etc... We knew our family has to eat! We cannot even get sick even if we wanted to.
(I am sharing this information with everyone in America) If anyone think they are having a tough time think again. ( AMERICA is the greatest place on earth ) Alot of people had been struggling to get a better life. With Hardwork and Human Kindness YOU WILL BE REWARDED LATER. ( It did for me and my family ) We no-longer have to Strugle anymore--I retired at age 39.

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danielle de beaumont — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:19:36 GMT

of course every emmigrants sould be legal,i live in the south,many hispanics work hard from sun up to sun down,under the hot sun,they never complain,they have taking the place of the descendants of slaves...if you listen to the farm owners,they will tell you,never got better help,in apreaciation for immigrants,their employers sould make them legal,and yes paying taxes like all of us, american citizens certainly cannot get free medical services...what am missing?it is great to be humanitarian,but america sould care of its own first,how many children and old people are starving in the great usa...and slavery was abolished when?

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Pat, Costa Mesa, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:23:06 GMT

By and large the problem is the same, it just hasn't gone on as long. The difference is we educate, medicate and support their "rights" though illegal. Generally we treat them more than fairly and there is no consequence to their actions. Not taking into account the process, at least it sounds like there is some consequence in Russia. I do not condone the above described process and it points to a whole nother issue. If the current laws, in the United States, on the books were enforced, the issue would be solved or at least better than it is.

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Jane, New York, NY — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:37:32 GMT

This kind of things happen because migrants are always powerless. Whatever you say of them, they don't get a chance to dispute it. Local people are always more articulate, have more influences, belong to a bigger gang. Gangs fight each other for no reason. Local people abuse migrants for no reason, either.

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green, buffalo — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:08:06 GMT

The first of all they wanted the freedom and they have the freedom and own country. Stay in your own country and work. No body force you to come and work in Russia.
Pat green

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Michael Whitmyre — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:09:20 GMT

Dear Weronica,
It's a shame you have to live around, "sick,sick,sick" Americans perhaps you would consider returning to your country of origin to avoid this horrible plight.

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stirling, gulfport,ms — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:15:02 GMT

be it russia or the us the debate sounds pretty much the same, both claim that without the workers (illegal) the jobs won't get done. maybe so in russia but to say that in this country is a bunch of bull. we have thousands and thousands of people on welfare that could do a lot the jobs they say we won't do. but to do that the welfare rolls would have to be purged of the ones that slip through the cracks in the welfare system. that of course will never happen because then the people that run that department would have to do their jobs, fat chance.

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will — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:20:30 GMT

for mike chicago..
is too sad your comments.
first of all the people who owns this land is the native indian did you know?in case you haven't read history..
is not for anyone to call themself im american....at all..the very root comes from the indian.. dosen'ty regardles of what you might say ..
live with it

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Doug Johnson — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:09:07 GMT

When Russia's job market has become robust enough to produce more technical jobs like Software and Computer Engineering, their job markets will also be invaded by the Chineese and Indians that are willing to work for peanuts. These types of jobs are not location dependent so immigration laws will not be an issue. Face it, everyone is trying to make their way and a little thing like a border is not going to stop anyone if their hungry enough.

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Brucee, woodbridge, New-Jersey — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:11:06 GMT

I duly understand that,we all,come to the native americans'(the so-called "Columbus Indians")country like that,immigrants(documented or not). It makes no different whether it were us or our fathers. But now, to the now world order,countries get their own establishment. They must tight their own border. If a country lets someone in or out, Russia or U.S.A or country x,y,and Z,it should let him or her work. Russia should not encourage kids to pick up people in such a way or let the police plays the gangsters on poor workers. The workers should be documented and pay taxes. The foreign workers send their money back to their native country. They support people or economy of their own native country. That goes to the state of their country ,then, that country should be responsible for their health. I see it simple-when an undocumented worker incurred a medical bill,his or her native country should pick up the tub,via its MBC. Making tax-payers pick the tub while getting nothing,is unfair to its utmost extent.

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Brucee, Woodbridge, N.J — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:25:11 GMT

By the way, each pro-immigrant demonstrator must pay a fee of or by a permit for $250 a year,each, to demostrate freely in favor of the non-document immigrants. A non permitted demonstrator should be arrested and pay $2500 or go to jail until the money is paid, for demontrating without a permit. This money should go in a fund to defray the medical bill of the non taxpayers.

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Frank, Detroit, MI — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:51:16 GMT

I have problems with the "birthright" view of citizenship. In my profession (healthcare), I see chronically unemployed "citizens" who haven't ever given any effort to improving the miserable condition of their lives, much less contributing anything to the society as a whole, but using ten times their share of resources, with an attitude of unabashed entitlement. On the same day, I will see migrant workers with job-related injuries, who are here to work, work, work at jobs that the above entitled "citizens" feel aren't worth their time. I think that merit and motivation should figure in at least some in assigning citizenship

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J ose Velazquez Phoenix AZ — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:43:42 GMT

what you talk about it when u say ilegal inmigrants dont pay taxes let Me ask You what is the diference between an us citizen n ilegal inmigrant when you buy a vehicle, you mean the dealer waive the taxes because they are indocumented No everybody have to pay tax same with phones, clothes,services,properties .haven't get it yet people r economy, business i'ts how is based the growing of the economy. the more u buy ,the more u spend more taxes WE trow in the economy

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Walter Miami — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:00:04 GMT

I had a partner who was here illegally, he paid taxes, filesd for a return every year, paid for health insurance, owned two houses (with mortgages), had two financed cars and had excellent credit, paid court ordered child support and never asked for anything from our government. We need more illegals like that guy!!

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Carlos, New Castle, Colorado — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:00:11 GMT

Think of illegal aliens as "pioneers." They came here uninvited, worked hard and prospered. Pioneers should be admired for their ambition and hard work. They set a good example for citizens who in some cases aren't very hardworking. Learn from the pioneers of today!

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Gail, Willits, CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:08:51 GMT

First, I would like to educate all of you, especially the,"Doctor". The oldest bones EVER discovered in North American belonged to a WHITE MAN! He his called Kennewick man and he was discovered along the banks of a river in Washington State. You wouldn't believe how fast the Native Americans tried to claim the remains because they don't want their claim to North America to be proven wrong. But thanks to American Scientists, this did not happen. The tests were done. He was a caucasian and at least 9000 years old. Older by centuries than ANY NATIVE AMERICAN REMAINS. Educate yourselves before opening your mouths.
Gail
Willits, CA

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Ron,CA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:29:29 GMT

Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes? what they show their illegal immigrant id card at walmart and dont pay the tax??

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harry horse,mission viejo,ca. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:06:19 GMT

when the economy collapses into a deep recession or depression-which is forcasted to occur in
the near future ,by experts who understand what is happening in America now ,one can predict a national uprising with violence perpetrated by legal citizens against illegals who are perceived as stealing jobs and working the system at the taxpayers expense. Corporations hiring illegals will be boycotted.The cost to Taxpayers of prosecuting and housing illegal criminals plus combating an explosion of drugs and potential terrorists will soon reach an unacceptable level --then it will start up.No society in history has ever survived once its border controls have crumbled.There will be an expulsion back to their native countries and those self serving politicians who have done nothing about these matters ,will be out on their duffs.I give it 2 years.Americans will eagerly take the farm jobs.It is an old story.Before one goes on welfare .one must be incapable of work.

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Bryan, York,PA — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:12:37 GMT

In response to Connie in Michegan, your company withheld taxes from the illegal immigrants, but how can they forward the money to the Local,State and Federal governments without a legal Social Security number? Only Legal citizens can receive a Social Security number, maybe the money was just kept by your company for further profits of illegals.

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Mark, Manchester NH — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:22:35 GMT

I'd like to refute a few of the pathetic pro-illegal immigration arguments I see on this board. First of all, “Native” Americans didn’t evolve here; they migrated here from Asia across a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska. What’s more, they were raiding, depopulating and appropriating each other’s lands for millennia before Europeans arrived. The European incursion saw death and misery on both sides, but violated no democratically enacted written law of any nation-state, it was simply the way people around the world –of every description- did business back then. Europeans brought with them about 20,000 years of technological progress, and in the times since (in the US and Canada) have paid untold billions in subsidies to the “Natives”. You can’t name any other group of people in the world who would have done that.

What many people also forget when comparing the illegal invasion to the waves of legal immigration in the past is also that until the 1960’s, there was no massive, taxpayer-funded social safety net. Before that, people paid their own way. Legal immigrants in the past were also willing to learn English and abide by American customs. Today’s illegals are the opposite: they demand taxpayer-funded services in Spanish and talk quite a bit about “re-conquering” the southwest for Mexico.

It is a documented fact, not right-wing rhetoric, that illegals are a net drain on the American economy. George Borjas, himself a legal immigrant from Mexico, has documented this in a number of studies at the University of Southern California. Illegals, put simply, consume far, far more in government resources than they pay in taxes, if they pay taxes at all. The fact that some illegals come here solely to commit additional crimes, like drug-dealing, rape, robbery, and murder, only adds to the cost they impose on the US. Their "cheap" labor is really very, very expensive.

In addition, there is no job “Americans won’t do”, simply some jobs they won’t do for slave-labor wages.
Not everyone here wants illegals' "cheap" labor, just some unscrupulous business owners who, I believe, should be punished far more severely than the illegals themselves.

The United States successfully deported over a million illegals in the 1950's, when the nation was far less affluent than it is today. Moreover, there is mounting evidence that illegals will deport themselves when they see the laws being enforced.

Finally, I came to the US legally from Canada, I dotted every “i” and crossed every “t”. So please, don’t give me any crap about how rough it supposedly is to come here legally.

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Dave Germantown WI — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:09:58 GMT

I find it interesting to read all the comments here on this blog. I for one is in favor for tighter controls on our borders. Fines for employers who hire illegal workers. True the illegal are hard workers this I will not take that away from them or the want for a better life. The one question that I have about the tax issue. Those who file a income tax each year. What is the one thing that is on each form you fill out on the state and federal forms that clearly identify that person. A simply number that one gets when they llegally move here and are born here. Now then the illegal get taxes taken out. I wonder how this is paid by employers when each worker has a SSN. My wife is from another country and it took just over 2 yrs to go thru all the proper channels to get here. Some from certian countries even longer. Now when she applied for a SSN. They checked with homelnad security to see that all was in order. I'm in favor of letting those who are here illegally the chance to get proper statice but at a cost.

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N. Jackson, Denver, Co — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:33:06 GMT

It's simple, people, no matter whether you are a bleeding heart liberal or a staunch conservative. We live by The Rule of Law in a Republic (we are not a democracy despite the miscomprehension of most people regarding this) and OUR LAW SAYS ILLEGALS GO BACK AND TRY TO DO IT LEGALLY. IF MEXICO WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE and the crooked GREEDY elites, including corporations in this country and Mexico did what they are supposed to do, we would not have an influx of these illegal immigrants. Citizens here take a back seat to the illegals. Now Bush wants to give them Social Security and Medicare. Do some reading before you start crying the blues for these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. COME IN THE RIGHT WAY OR STAY HOME AND STOP KILLING OUR CITIZENS WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND CRIMINAL RAPES. SICK AND TIRED OF THE BULLSH__.

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bennie,@^*r((((, jupiter — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:36:47 GMT

hi hi hi hi hi........send them back HOME.....

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Dot, L.A. — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:44:46 GMT

Susan, the "Americans living illegally elsewhere" you speak of are NOT clogging European schools with their vast numbers or stealing medical services to the point where emergency rooms are having to close for lack of funding. In fact, most Americans living abroad have at least a high school education and some job skills, the same cannot be said of the illegals flooding into the U.S.

I see that you're from Pennsylvania. I urge you to come spend some time in the third world country formerly known as Los Angeles so that you can see up close and personal what it's like to have a entire city shut down by MILLIONS of people who take more out of the public system than they put into it.

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Edward Mora, Chino, Ca — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:54:26 GMT

Often, illegal immigrants are abused in the US just as bad as and maybe worse than in Russia. Many work the day and are not paid and there is nothing they can do.

Also, I lived in Europe in the US Army for seven years. I spoke with many of the "US Labor Force" made up of minorities from the Russian side working for the US government. Many of them literally jump the fence to come over. They live in barracks like US soldiers, but in a different area. Those people have serious stories to tell about their live in the Russian side.

In the US, many police officers and custody personnel abuse illegal immigrants.

Remember, if US citizens are abused by many police officers and custody personnel, what do you think awaits illegal people who do not speak English and it is obvious they can not defend themselves. Illegal people often do not have any relatives in the country; they do no know anybody, etc.

And, as far as illegal people costing so much in the welfare system, it is not true. Many, many, many citizens of all races, who make babies, but do not make a lot of money, qualify for welfare and use it. You can call it welfare or subsidy, but these citizens are receiving it. You can drive a Mercedes, as your primary and only car, and still get subsidy, as long as you meet the other requirements, which are not hard to meet.

I help people fill out any government forms, for free, when they ask me.

Any one who thinks we do not treat our illegal people just as bad as the Russians do is either a dreamer, someone who does not know the facts, or a fool.

I know. I am retired from US law enforcement.

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Howard Scoggins, Hagerstown, Maryland — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:01:12 GMT

I love the Russian people. I lived in Russia for 4 years and the people need a chance. Only give them a chance and they will make that country ought to be and could be. BUT, when people ask me about the future of Russia. I must say, the country will never be what it could be because of the corruption. The corruption, not among the people but in the government. Most all of them. I am always sorry to have to say this but the people are taxed, robbed and robbed again. The taxes that they do pay never benefits the country, the roads, the schools, the medical facilities. They are not better than the poorest of 3rd world countries and it is the rich (crooks) that are keeping that country down. I am sorry, so very sorry for Russia and its good people.

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Dennis — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:12:03 GMT

So what is the issue? You have citizem of a foreign nation in a country illegally, stealing jobs from a legal resident at below living wage. Of course the logical solution id either to shoot them on the spot or deprt them with the threat of shooting on the spot if caught again. So again I ask, what is the issue? Maybe our own govenment could learn a worhtwhile lesson and figure out that the short term benefit of an illeagal alien is not worth the long term cost to the nation.

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Olivia, Englewood, NJ — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:37:54 GMT

To: Andres from Chicago who wrote, "I really dont like how people keep on insisting that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes".

Illegals do not pay taxes because they all know about this common trick. They add 10+ dependants on their tax return. 10 x $2500 = $25,000 deduction = no taxes.

If an American citizen tried to do this we would get caught and punished. Illegal immigrant does not get caught breaking this tax rule because 1) they use dependants in Mexico and the US government has no way of verifying, 2) if they are using a stolen social security number then they just steal a different one each year, 3) Or instead of stealing a valid SSN they pick any 9 digit number each year.

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alberto jimenez — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:50:04 GMT

i agree w/ all of you, most dont like ilegal workers and hey it is ok with me. racism? in most cases it is. im a truck driver serving all 48 states and i get racist comments anywhere why ? because im mexican i look mexican and im very proud of it. i met drivers that cant even speak english, still dont know how they got their cdl. but i guess there should be someting done about ilegal immigration in this country. everybody knows who is ilegal, the police the government agencies, why they dont go get them?
get them all, sent them to their countries, all @ the same time, let all the produce fields get rotten, all the meat packing houses stop production, construction jobs come to a stop, and the economy go down,hey there is only 12million ilegals here.maybe more, i would like that to see. oh and i forgot, close the borders to trading w/ mexico too. that would make it much better.

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Greg, Red Lodge, MT — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:43:04 GMT

I'm sorry but maybe if these illegals would come over here to become American citizens and not just Mexican, or some Southeast Asia national who don't want to learn are way of life or learn our language then they need to stay out! The liberals in this country need to get a clue about what made the United States of America the great melting pot of the world. It wasn't from having a hundred different languages available for any giving thing but it made these immigrants adjust to our society, but with a dash of their culture. The United States is splitting up and it should make everyone involved sick to their stomachs. If employers can't find legal workers then they should start paying more money to attract employees or fold. Let's hope the next administration gets their act together and solve this problem for the sake of this great melting pot we call the United States of America!

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SEAN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:45:29 GMT

QUIT BUYING THE PRODUCT AND IT WILL DRY UP ILLEGALS JOB. PRETTY SIMPLE SOLUTION HUH OR DO YOU WANNA BUY A UNION BUILT HOUSE FOR DOUBLE THE MONEY

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Luis — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:01:49 GMT

Don't Blame Putin for their misfortunes. Remember the Berlin Wall? They want to be separated from main USSR, they got it and now they will complain because they don't have jobs. Pity.
About our illigal Alliens who work for less, yes they pay taxes but they don't know about it. They are being paid under the table far lower that the minimum wage that these cry babies are complaining that this people are taking the white Jobs. Yes they pay taxes coz their employer took half of what supposed to be given to them, one example is wallmart and Landscaping business and a lot more.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Pinky, Granite Falls, MN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:38:51 GMT

"How many of our own ancestry relied upon the kindness of an open and free America? Where would we be now if not for the land of hope?
Chris Rodriguez, Opelousas, Louisiana (Sent Friday, September 28, 2007 10:09 PM)"

Chris, when my ancestors came from Bohemia and Germany, they didn't use a welfare system to help them until they got a job!!! That's where one of the differences lay. The illegals know they can get medical care, housing (along with household goods and clothes), and food, if not from the U.S. government, then from the churches that they contact and pour out their hard luck stories to. They know they can't be required -- much less asked -- to prove their legal status for medical care and housing, and the fake documents are easy to come by to get food support. So what it they get caught doing that!! They'll just be deported (probably) and then come back again. There are many of our own people who are on welfare because of a medical disability that keeps them from working. I'm one of them!!! At 60+ years old, I'm receiving Social Security Disability Insurance because I'm too sick and injured to work any more. At $750 a month, it makes me qualified for Medicaid. But if we continue to allow illegals to get medical help, the portion they use is not available for a naturalized citizen like myself, and we are forced to have to forego treatment for cancer and other illnesses because the system is too poor to pay for it. And yet illegals get all their children delivered and cared for in our hospitals for free. What's wrong with that picture??? I paid taxes for over 40 years when I was able to work. Now that someone is here illegally taking some of the benefits that I paid in to keeps me from getting the care I need so badly. I think any one in my position would feel the same way I do about the illegals. It is my suggestion that they do their demanding and picketing in their own countries to get their country's leaders to step up to the plate and get jobs for them through enticing companies to locate there, because, after all, they have millions of people who are so desperate to work that those people will become criminals (yes, they ARE criminals when they break the law). So, all you illegals: Go home and demonstrate there and do your part to force your native country to be a responsible contributor in this world!

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Pinky, Granite Falls, MN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:48:45 GMT

Wake up people...there are just as many Americans living illegally elsewhere in the world...predominantly in Canada and Australia. I myself considered going illegally, but was lucky enough to find a way in legally into the UK, where I will be headed middle of next year. When income no longer provides the very basics of living, people move to where they can survive, regardless of where they come from!. I started looking when I discovered that despite a university education, my field here in the US did not support human life...whereas in the UK and in Europe there are not only job opportunities, but health care for myself and my family available..something we had not seen here in years!
Susan Huy, Ephrata, Pa (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:09 AM)

So, Susan, are you going to give up your citizenship here when you go to the UK? Or do you want to have your cake and eat it, too, by having dual citizenship? And so you're willing to go to another country and accept their medical benefits even though you haven't contributed one cent (or shilling) to pay for it through taxes? Then, go, Susan. Get out of here because people like you are part of the problem in the U.S. where you'll sit and gripe about something but not lift a finger to help make a change. When was the last time you wrote to your congressman/woman to express your dissatisfaction about the medical crisis in this country? If you haven't even taken the time to do that one little thing, then you aren't, in my opinion, someone I want for a fellow citizen. If you're not willing to try to help yourself, and just want someone to take care of you, then go to the U.K. You'll find out about their medical system soon enough. And I don't think you'll like what you find!! But good luck to you. Please stay there when the going gets tough there, too. Please.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

illi — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:50:30 GMT

good luck susan,hi boys I am an illegal immigrant,from europe I do speak 5 lang,let me tell you about legals,to win thw right to come in usa you have to be very very verylucky,but hey one day I had a little time to go in a bar with a lot of legals ,they are threre every day ,were they find the time?colecting wellfare,as an illegal i can not so cut the bull ,if you not happy about illegas go back where your anccestors came from,i am sure you gona see less mexicans,lol peace brosssssss

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

laird sasser, springfield, mo. — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:51:06 GMT

the ruskies are really gonna have to go some to outstrip u.s. police/immigration at the art of criminality, yes, here it is an art.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

BILL BRIDDLE , NASHVILLE TENN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:05:36 GMT

There people in Mexico who have many years ago become legal. Now they sell their papers to people who work under these docunments. The Latino person who works next to you may not even be who he say's he his.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Pinky, Granite Falls, MN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:07:28 GMT

They get registered by the NARA (National Aliens Registration Authority). This enables them to work legally, pay taxes and have a quota to get admitted in educational institutes.

If a country like Pakistan offers illegal immigrants the chance to naturalise, so what is the deal with the US?
Taimoor L. , Karachi, PAKISTAN (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:48 AM)

Taimoor, how does your country know if someone is in Pakistan if they don't register with the NARA? Are you naive enough to think that ALL illegals are registering? The U.S. already has a system for illegals to become legal: It's called -- apply for citizenship!!!! Now that's not so difficult, is it?? By the way, someone from another country would NEVER become a "naturalized" citizen. That is the word used to describe someone born in the U.S. Perhaps you need to brush up on your English usage.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Pinky, Granite Falls, MN — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:11:08 GMT

Wake up people...there are just as many Americans living illegally elsewhere in the world...predominantly in Canada and Australia.
Susan Huy, Ephrata, Pa (Sent Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:09 AM)

Susan, It's irresponsible to make statement like that without referencing your source. Or did you just read that in someone's blog? Where did you get that information? I don't believe it for a nano-second!!

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

JR, dothan, al — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:26:44 GMT

Ther is no way to deport all the "illegals" that are in this country. The only way to even the playing field is to enforce our laws. Another way was talked about last year, but I have not heard anything else..and that was the Fair Tax Plan. It allowed for everyone(legals, illegals, tourists, etc.) to give to the government.
Another issue with illegal immigration is that is known that terrorists have used that same means to harm our country...does anyone remember 9/11. I don't have a problem with immigration, but illegal immigration will pave the way for another terrorist attack.
Sorry, my response has nothing to do with article.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Robet Munoz — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:33:10 GMT

hey Mike from Chicago,, Anyone who makes and spends money here in the US pays Taxes. Whether you buy a new watch or a pair of pants. lets not forget that when you get a check from an employer, the IRS and the state tax board keep a slice. Some if not most illegal imigrants don't ever get that slice back because they don't file their income tax. Therefore they do pay taxes. It's easy to point fingers for this great nation's problems but im willing to bet that you too are a product of immigration. If you have any understanding of this economy--Mike--then you should know that illegal imigrants put in work. So much, that if it were not for their work, you and many other americans would find it hard to afford a house, eating out, a nany for your kid, housekeeping, and many other things Mike. Think about it Mike. Yours truly Robert Munoz, a product of illegal imigration.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Tall White Man — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:11:35 GMT

I see a lot of european, african and asian names in this blog but no American Indian names. Why don't the whole lot of you go back to where you came from and leave america to its true owners. Oh, did your forefathers get a visa to come here?

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

jer Miner — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:14 GMT

I have read all of the blogs on here and have come to the conclusion that many of you are not very informed....( not that I'm a genius, but simply by reading what is being said is enough evidence for me )
Many scream about all of us at one time or another were immigrants...

True, however, we were all LEGAL!!!
Now, we are as American as Apple Pie, so I suggest that no longer holds water....!!!

No one can blame anyone for wanting a better life, but, if you cant do it legally,and you are not educated, then why would you expect any Country to want you....
This Country needs and wants immigrants, but only Legal ones...That is Reasonable....
Educated ones from whereever , as long as they can contribute to the welfare of this Country....
This means you must have a skill, read, write and speak the English language,and apply for entry the legal way.
You will be put on the list from each Country,which is allowed so many immigrants each year....

As far as hispanics, they are mostly good people, but those from Mexico and other Latin American countries have Doctors, Airline Pilots, Engineers, Dental personnel, Mechanical Engineers, etc. that can be an immediate asset to this Country.They are still waiting in line , nut the 20 million Illegals in this Country is by far over the Hispanic quota...

Whereas , "Illegals" cost this Country over 966 Million dollars every year in "OUTLAY" for them... go to this :
www.immigrationcounters.com and get some idea of why Americans are 'not' open arms to these illegals,

They have come here to capitalize on the laxity of our own Congress, to have their babies here thinking they will have an ANCHOR to citizenship....wont work...Sorry.
Our Congress wants the illegals for their work for lower wages than Americans will for BIG BUSINESS, and the Congress themselves want the 'illegals' for their Votes...

These Congress persons are paid off for their votes by LOBBYISTS from Big Business...Now, If we let in the ones who are well versed in English, and well educated...they wont work for the lower wages...but the 'illegals' will, and this is why you have trouble getting into the Country in a legal fashion.

Congress is making money for themselves, while the American taxpayer pays for the 'illegals'...NOT all millionaires are made from honest work, mostly from being crooked.
Again, WE want the ILLEGALS OUT !!! It is costing us far more than any of the Illegals are contributing...
Go back to the url I gave you...note how much money is sent back to their own country...
while we pay for them ,they can send their money home, and live good off our welfare and Food stamps...
One was caught , he earned $38,600, sent it all home and lived on our welfare and food stamp program...nice huh ?
Well, now you are a bit sharper because those are true stats, they have closed 3 hospitals in Calif,. and 2 in Tex. ( BANKRUPT) because they get Medical free, no one pays and by our own stupid Laws, we have to pay them...
Some asses in Congress are sure making a lot of money off of illegals that we the people pay for...great Country huh ?/

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

d peters — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:46:27 GMT

as usual..........this depends upon which side of the fence your on. Good old fashioned debate............

Illegals will continue till HELL FREEZES.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

john florida — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:43:41 GMT

I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING LET RUSSIA DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEMS WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN HOW THEY HANDLE IT. WHAT SAY WE MIND OUR OWN AFFAIRS.
TO CONNIE MICHIGAN:
YOU SAY THAT ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE PAYING TAXES AND WILL NEVER BENEFIT FROM DOING SO.TELL ME HOW YOU PAY "TAXES" WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER?IF YOU ARE PAYING TAXES YOU ARE USING A STOLEN NUMBER.
DAVE THOMPSON:
YOU MADE MY POINT WHY PEOPLE THAT DID IT BY FOLLOWING THE LAWS REALLY GET UPSET BY THOSE BREAKING THE LAWS AND DEMANDING TO BE MADE LEGAL. WE WORKED HARD AND LONG TO GET HERE. THE OLD SAYING IS "THAT SOMETHING YOU GET FOR NOTHING HAS NO VALUE" WE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS APPRECIATE WHAT IT TOOK YEARS TO GET AND DON'T WANT IT CHEAPENED BY MAKING IT OF NO VALUE.I FEEL BAD FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH BUT IT WILL BE ALL THE MORE VALUABLE WHEN IT FINALLY GOES THROUGH FOR YOU.
THE LOWEST THING TO SEE ON T.V. IS SENATOR DURBIN WANTS TO GRANT IN STATE TUITION TO PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE HERE IN THE COUNTRY TO START WITH.IT TELLS THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S.A. THAT THE PEOPLE THAT BROKE OUR LAWS AND CONTINUE TO BREAK THEM ARE OF MORE IMPORTANCE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BORN OR IMMIGRATED LEGALLY HAVE TO PAY A HELL OF A LOT TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN EDUCATED.THE QUESTION HERE BECOMES "WHOSE SENATOR IS HE?" WAS HE ELECTED BY NON CITIZENS?IF I LIVED IN HIS STATE YOU CAN BET HE WOULD HEAR ALL ABOUT FROM ME.PEOPLE LIKE DURBIN ARE ALWAYS TOO WILLING TO STEP ALL OVER AMERICANS NOT ONLY IN BRINGING THE SO CALLED DREAM ACT TO THE SENATE FLOOR BUT ALSO BEING KIND ENOUGH TO HAND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC (BY BIRTH OR LEGAL IMMIGRATION)THE BILL FOR HIS ACT OF KINDNESS.(WHAT A GUY)IT HAS BECOME THE NEW NATIONAL SPORT PLAYED IN WASHINGTON--WHO CAN WE BENEFIT AND BILL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHILE NOT BENEFITING THEM AT ALL.ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT PEOPLE TO WATCH OUR KIDS AND MOWING OUR LAWNS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WE MOW OUR OWN LAWNS AND RAISE OUR OWN KIDS.THE SO CALLED RICH HAVE THEIR LAWNS MOWED AND THEIR CHILDREN TAKEN CARE OF BY A NANNY.GARDENER AND NANNY ARE NOT WORDS USED IN THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HOME. WE HAVE DAY CARE AND GET OUT AND MOW THE LAWN.SO AS FOR THE COST OF LETTUCE BEING $ 8.00 A HEAD THAT IS ANOTHER CROCK BEING HANDED TO US AS A FEAR TACTIC.THEY ACT AS IF LETTUCE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS OF ANY IMPORTANCE TO AMERICANS.WHAT THEY DO NOT TELL YOU ABOUT THIS SO CALLED CHEAP LETTUCE IS WHAT IS THE TRUE COST BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR IT IN TAXES TO YOUR CITY OR COUNTY SO THE SO CALLED CHEAP LABOR CAN HAVE MEDICAL HELP AND EDUCATION FOR THEIR CHILDREN. YOU HAVE CITIES GOING BROKE SO THEY CAN SUPPORT THIS CHEAP LABOR. AND NOT TO MENTION THE EMPLOYERS THAT HIRE THEM ON A CASH BASIS SO THEY AVOID PAYING THEIR END OF THE TAXES AND INSURANCE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ALL THIS FOR CHEAP "LETTUCE ?" JUST HOW CHEAP IS THIS LETTUCE ANY WAY? WHAT DO YOU SAY WE DON'T EAT LETTUCE ALL TOGETHER AND SAVE THE MONEY.START FILING LAW SUITS AGAINST STATES THAT GIVE AWAY YOUR TAX MONEY TO BENEFIT ANY ONE BUT THE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF YOUR CITY COUNTY AND STATE. NO LEGAL STATUS NO RIGHTS TO BENEFITS OF ANY KIND AT ANY TIME.GET YOUR DOCUMENT RIGHT AND BE WELCOME TO THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY LEFT ON THIS PLANET BECOME AN AMERICAN JUST LIKE I AND MY FAMILY DID. AND ALL THIS WILL BE YOUR'S TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WILL. ALL I ASK IS DO IT RIGHT.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Mike, Chicago — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:59:24 GMT

Sounds like we have arguments here suggesting that illegal immigrants are perceived as sub-human level. You need to understand that they are begin deported because they are illegal, not because they are sub-human like. Law is law. The fact that illegal immigrants are everywhere including Americans entering other countries illegally does not justify illegal immigrants here are acceptable. If we accept the act of illegal entrance into our country, what messages are we sending out to the people who are doing it legal? For the person who complained about the petition from Columbia that took 3 years, I did a petition for a relative and it took 10 years. You need to understand that petition is a request, not a demand. You support the act of illegal entrance with the reasoning of petition inconveniency? So, when you can't save enough to buy a car, you can go and steal one? For those who claimed that illegal immigrants are avoiding medical service under the concern for deportation. National statistic indicated that from 2004 - 2006 illegal immigrants used 50% - 60% of the emergency fund budget. This was proposed by Clinton. If you disagree, go challenge her information. I'm sure the information is reliable since it was publicly announced. For those who believed that American companies are responsible for the inflating rate of illegal immigrants and accused them for "thief of cheap labor", I agree. I believe that the first step to suppress the rate of illegal immigrants is to crack down on these companies and make sure they validate documents of their hires. If it's more difficult for illegal immigrants to find jobs, then the rate would decrease. Off course there are other factors that influence illegal immigrants, but the primary issue is the job availability for illegal workers.

Finally, for those who claim that U.S. is a country of shame and what not, I have one message for you - "pack up your bags and leave our nation". This is a greatest nation that fulfilled more promises of democracy than any other nation in the world. Shame on those who criticize our nation when most of our troops are fighter in the past, presence, and future to defend our liberty and justice.

Russian boom lures workers, legal or not

Mike, Chicago — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:31:29 GMT

One more thing... People are mixing up the two catagories of legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. There is a clear distinction between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants received government's authority to enter the country. Illegal immigrants are people who enter the country without government's approval. Would you say that a person who enters your property with your permission is similar to those who enter your property w/o your permission? I think not. Please do not mix up all the legal immigrants (Hispanic, Asian, European, etc) with the illegal immigrants when you support your arguments. I'm also as confuse as John from Florida, how do you pay income taxes when you don't have SSN?