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just wondering — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:18:13 GMT

what's wrong with strip clubs and x-rated video? why is america so prude?

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jenny — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:19:27 GMT

what's the name of the author of this article? why does he hate muslims? why all the articles that portray "muslims" as "radical"? i'm sick of the racism.

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Allistar Brown, U.K. — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:20:57 GMT

they are not "extremists". and if they are to have a true democracy, all opinions should be valued.

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think about it — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:21:53 GMT

those radicals are no worse than our radical evangelicals who think we're on some type of modern-day crusade in the middle east!

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Get Real — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:27:26 GMT

Articles like this just spread hatred. This is an example of how the American Media (at large) had portrayed all Pakistanis... as acid-throwing, women-hating, "radicals". This is the type of crap that leads to large misunderstandings amongst peoples, and eventually leads to war. MSNBC sucks for printing this crap.

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Poor Pakistani — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:36:48 GMT

they are agents ans paid actors by ISI and Musharaf to show to the rest of the world that how Pakistan is under threat of Talibanisation if Musharaf is removed and military rule is challenged.

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Kerry Burns, Atlantic City, NJ — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:40:28 GMT

these are the same people who had the Pakistani Minister of Tourism resign because there was a picture of her hugging her jump instructor after a successful parachute jump. So a picture of a woman hugging someone is enough to issue a Fawtah? ..unbelievable encroachment of freedom..what kind of God do they praise that does not allow hugging?

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Okasia,Chukwudi, Lagos,Lagos. — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:41:52 GMT

I will like to ask , if Isam is a violent religious as all that are read on news outlet about the conducts of the religion isalway associate with violence.

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John, St. Louis — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:43:19 GMT

Ok, so at some point in time the government of Pakistan will have to go in and arrest the two brothers and lock them up for their crimes. It's sad they are using children to protect themselves, but if they let it go on any longer there will be more children at risk. Sitting back and watching them break the law and terrorize people at random is a bad way to run a country.

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Rev. Paul Burdick, Lakeland, FL — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:03:22 GMT

Understand... this is ALL ABOUT CONTROL... and religion wants to control government in Pakistan. It shouldn't. It is the root of all wars...Only in a democracy can religion rule the hearts of people, and people may elect the ways of their heart through representative governments. But, let us remember, secularism can become a religion in itself the more it continues to kill of the Religious influence of the people.

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Rev. Paul Burdick, Lakeland, FL — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:03:53 GMT

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Rolo Tumassi, Indianapolis — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:05:34 GMT

Did Jenny even "read" this article. It was clear it was a female reporter from the text. Nevermind that her name is at the top of the column. There wasn't anything in the column that could be construed as racism, just stupidity by the reader!!!

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Jerry F, New Jersey — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:05:40 GMT

John you are absolutly right! The government must go in, and do it soon. You cannot allow open rebellion in any country, especially a nuclear power.Radical Islam is a worse threat than the Nazis,and it's completly global.

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victor , houston , Tx — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:08:45 GMT

Moderation is the answer in life . No body should impose their views on others. Exteremism is unacceptable and out of date . Live and let live in Peace ? Goodwill to others ! Enjoy Life ! Forget confrontation ! Victor !

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John Doe, Dallas, TX — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:09:28 GMT

In the Arab world they are called radicals, extremists. What should we call the religious right over here? They are doing the same thing here and get support for the government.

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larry echols palm bch gardens fl — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:10:36 GMT

as all types of faith with hatred for one another life fails to be important only power God gave man his choice and all me have to show is death around the world wear as it got us children are the beginning and the

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larry echols palm bch gardens fl — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:12:13 GMT

as all types of faith with hatred for one another life fails to be important only power God gave man his choice and all me have to show is death around the world where as it got us children are the beginning and the end

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Duncan, Plano Texas — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:16:23 GMT

No one is looking at the roots of this radial Islamic support. You have to ask yourself why are these Islamist leaders becoming popular and support for them seems to be spreading in their neighborhoods. Why would such a restrictive conservative life be preferred over an open liberal society? This needs to be addressed at some point.

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Usman Khan, Peshawar, NWFP, Pakistan — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:16:32 GMT

I dont know whats going on in Pakistan... but it surely is not talibanisation.... these are the simple rules of Islam... no Prostitution...so if the religon says NO..then there is no question left to argue.... cause everybody follows there religon... I dont think Bibel has ever allowed prostitution... same way Quran says no prostitution....

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Bigkat — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:20:53 GMT

When will the world grow up. These bozos are so behind times is not funny. I for one am sick of readin everytime someone does not get their way, or stands up for what is right are called racist. The R card wont work anymore get over it. As for these morons who want to keep childeren as a shield and speak out against one government or another. If they stomr then then it turns public opinion against them if they do not then they are weak and the Terrorist will do other stuff.. If they want to threaten Suicide bombers fine they should start by using their own sons and own daughters instead of the good folk who have been duped by your false religous beliefs

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Dennis, Alabaster AL — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:21:38 GMT

Face it! We are engaged in a religious war. It is Judeo/Christian beliefs against strict Islamic beliefs. This is world-wide, from the Mosques of Lebanon to the Mosques of Malaysia. Wherever Islam is practiced, then this "hatred" of things non-islamic exists. The only reason one does not see more militancy in some areas has to do more with numbers of practitioners than moderation. There is no way to fight a war against religion or religious ideas. One has to fight against the cells or centers of the ideas and idiology and cut the head of the snake. A movement without leadership is a dead movement. Our weakness is that we always want to be politically correct or are afraid of world opinion. The time has come to say "to hell with world opinion" and do what it will take to rid the world of this scourge. I am opposed to killing, especially innocents, but there comes a time when those must either get away from harm or suffer its consequences. I think that carpet bombing of some of the cities and villages in Iraq and other Islamic "hot-spots" should be employed and those whose political and religious positions have placed them in harm's way should suffer the ultimate consequences for their behavior against us. If the Islam Mullahs and Clerics would keep their religion within their own countries and not "export" their unique form of hatred, then they should be left in peace and not be disturbed. Should the people who are, in our opinion, mistreated, want to rise up and overthrow them, then that is their option, but until that happens, leave them to their own ways. Who the hell are we to intervene and try to impose our thoughts and way of life on them? What hubris on our part. We in the U.S. have had two very brilliant leaders advise us about such things. George Washington told us not to get involved in foreign entanglements and Dwight Eisenhower told us to beware the "Military-Industrial" complex. What two more intelligent leaders to follow, yet we ignore their advice. When will our leaders learn?

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dan,springfield ,mass — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:22:16 GMT

OK,so tell me who is worse these brothers and their followers who want strictly to follow their islamic roots...and want their country to...or a Pakistani government...paralized by fear to do anything and when they do it is seen by many as just an attempt at self preservation or U.S. bidding??

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John, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:22:58 GMT

Just drop a JDAM and end the nonsense. If anyone else objects, they get the same treatment. Islam, in the radical sense, is nonsense and a joke run by a few doucebags who didn't get enough attention from their mommies and daddies.

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Ahmed, WV, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:25:01 GMT

The fact boils down to the fact that there is no democracy. Everything for a common man is getting out of reach due to price inflation. Lawlessness and military influence has made the people agitated and they are willing to follow anyone other than the military dictators.

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Anonymous, Matawan, NJ — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:29:16 GMT

The reason all free-thinking people need to be guarded against the dangers of Islam is that, in its ugliest form, it forbids freedom of expression and thought. There are some people who are glad to have someone else tell them what to think, what to say and when and how to pray, but let's hope those people are always a small minority. True, there are countries, such as Turkey, where a balance has been struck between secularism and religion. But, what other religion would stone a woman to death for not having her head covered while sending monetary rewards to families of terrorists who blow up innocent men, women and children...often also muslims? What other religion permits one to shop for a mullah or imam who says it's okay to slaughter innocents in the name of God and you will be rewarded in paradise? Do Methodists go out and slaughter Catholics the way Sunnis and Shites do to each other? There can be no greater perversion of religion than what these people are doing. And they are exploiting our Bill of Rights to get their poisonous message out. But, you can be certain that, if 51% of voters put muslims in positions of power, your rights will be gone in a heartbeat.

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omar seattle wa — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:30:43 GMT

these brothers are true practing muslims who want to follow the Quran and the sunnah.

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Anthony Moreno, Norwalk, CA — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:31:45 GMT

If you are to have a democracy there must be a separation of religion and state. But you cannot force countries to adopt policy similar to the United States in order to keep peace in the world.

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THE Morgan Freeman Fan — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:33:03 GMT

The demand of the brothers to enforce sharia law is completely unreasonable. I'm sure we all remember that guy last year who was almost EXECUTED because, under sharia law, it warrants the death penalty if you convert to another religion from Islam.

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Howard, Wisconsin — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:34:27 GMT

Isnt it time the world was rid of religion? Imagine - no judgement, persecution, victimization, pretentiousness, self importance ....... sigh.

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David B. OKC OK — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:39:19 GMT

It is pointless to try to understand a radicalized religion that is based on keeping women as chattle, that supports homicidal bombers as a means to a political end and that fully intends to Islamize the rest of the world, by force. Using children as shields is just another example of their cowardice and another example of what is wrong with Islam. The powers that be in the Islamic world need to modernize their thinking and their beliefs or at some point, Americans wil have no choicee but to fight them all to the death, of us or them. That is what all of this is about, it is an us or them situation, win or lose and this will most likey lead to World War III. Wake up, America, we cannot afford to lose this fight. If we do, we will lose everything we hold dear in the USA, including our lives. David B.

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Wayne Burkett, Mobile, Alabama — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:40:16 GMT

Is it not the Islamic way? It doesn't matter what the law says. The only law that matters is the law of islam. That by the way is what ever the person who is interpreting it wants it to be. If in that persons mind it is oh kay to kill anyone who doesn't think the same way that he or she does then it is oh kay. They are not being radical. They are being Islamic. "If you do not think as I think you must die." Symple as that. So what is the problem?

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ray,Albany,NY — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:40:53 GMT

For all you posters above that are angry about this article. I must ask you to think about it. These Muslims are not only demanding that their point of view be recongnized. They are demanding that everyone must adhere to it. If this is not an extremist point of view then maybe you would be happy to support their kidnapping of police and use of children as body shields? I say execute the two brothers! In the old days we here in the united state would hang criminals like this. I say we made a mistake by not continuing this tradition of punishment.

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George Jones — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:41:43 GMT

Its the way the country will be run when those in power are afraid of the stupid freaks for islam. Bend over allah.

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Asif Nawaz, Karachi, Pakistan — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:47:18 GMT

Okay, let's get something straight. Pakistan is becoming a shittier country every day because of these self-proclaimed, so called educated scholars and maulanas. This country has gone to the dogs, and people like the Laal Masjid Maulana are an insult to the very thing Islam stands for: Freedom. This could, however, be a stunt of the Musharraf government to show the US Government what will happen if he leaves, i.e., the sad extremism of Pakistani Society. I've lived between the US and Pakistan for the major part of my life, and I know that all these monkeys who are an insult to the religion and have made life for other decent Pakistanis harder need to be made an example out of; they should be shot dead.

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Mark Krieger, Lincoln, NE — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:48:54 GMT

Well, lets review the comments: Author is racist, their opinions should be valued, we are just as bad, it's the media's fault for printing his comments, its all a trick. And only 40% of American Muslims believe Muslim men were involved in 9-11. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.

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phillip Lamar colorado — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:50:19 GMT

yeah right, islam is the religion of peace. sure, what other religion has children strap bombs to themselves. Did the radical Jerry Falwell have suicide bombers at his disposal. How many people did his students kill in suicide bombings. Oh that's right "NONE". Islam is the religion of hate and they prove it everyday.

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Asad, New York — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:52:12 GMT

Quoting Get Real:"Articles like this just spread hatred. This is an example of how the American Media (at large) had portrayed all Pakistanis... as acid-throwing, women-hating, "radicals". This is the type of crap that leads to large misunderstandings amongst peoples, and eventually leads to war. MSNBC sucks for printing this crap. " SECOND THAT! Not only Pakistanis, but Muslims in general, and also people like the Chinese and other Eastern races. The media has developed this art of spinning and fooling the gullible American people who don't know and don't care to know about the outside World, at the expense of their well-being by artificially creating animosity between people. But people are now realizing NOT to trust these liars as they used to. Bloggers are giving the big media spinners jitters in their own backyard, and they are losing control on their own 'propaganda fiefdom' The time in near when there liars and distorters of facts will be chastized by the same people on whose eyes they used to pull wool.

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Scott, Missouri — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:53:46 GMT

It makes me want to laugh when I see the comments claiming Islam is not an extremist religion. What other religion believes you will get to heaven by strapping a bomb to your butt and blowing up everyone who doesn't believe in the same God? Why do Muslim men make women cover themselves from head to toe? Do they think a womens body is evil? Maybe Muslim men should cover their eyes instead of making women cover their bodies. And if Muslim men beleive they go to heaven and get 70 virgin women for blowing themselves up in a suicide bombing, what do women suicide bombers get? 70 virgin men?? What nonsense.

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Furious, New York, NY — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:56:33 GMT

Are you people completely out of your skulls? How is calling these muslims radical considered racist? They abducted policemen and have children armed on top of a place of woeship and a CHILDREN'S LIBRARY!! To compare that to evangelicals is ridiculous. As crazy as evangelicals are, they are not violent like this group of crazy people. No religious belief is worth killing or abducting people over. Get a clue.

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Salim — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:57:44 GMT

This reminds me of Waco, Texas. I think the Pakistan's government should storm and kill all the hijackers of religion and the country.

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arvind B — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:57:52 GMT

These modern day ayatollahs may be the ISI agents in disguise.They want to thwart the forces of progress in Pakistan/Afghnistan and even in their Secular and Democratic neighbor India.Their ultimate aim is to drive NATO and US forces out of Afghanistan so they can revert back to the dark ages.Bush should worry more about this region than itching to invade Iran.

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lock — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:58:46 GMT

I love the way the muslims have commented on this site. so I will comment on everybodys comments. 1. These two brothers are an obvious threat to any free democratic society. anyone who can't see that is an idiot. 2.) The author does not hate all muslims. IF someone beleives that they are an idiot. 3.) these radicals are worse than the evangelicals because these radicals are making threats to people as they do any time a government rejects their idea of how things should be. 4.) the idea that these agents are paid actors how uneducated do you have to be to even consider such an idea. Radicals are in most every country in the world now making threats and plans because they want the world to be totally islamic. and nothing less would satisfy them. 5. No American reporter of this level would make false accusations because they would lose their jobs and get sued for slander/liable. and Yes my typing sucks. lol

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Bill, Missouri — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:00:07 GMT

True democracy and freedom means: freedom to do as you wish, i.e religious beliefs, speech,thought, etc. It does not mean you have the right to tell others what or how to believe, pray, think, dress, etc. I am a white, hunting, fishing, midwestern, christian, but some of my best friends are Hindu and Islamic. What the WHOLE world needs is TOLERANCE of others opinions and lifestyles...

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Mike, Conway,Arkansas — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:11 GMT

People,if religous nuts like this take over the Pakastani government(God forbid),how long untill some country(Islamic or not)gets nuked.Thats right.If they control the government they have there finger on the Atomic button.Pakistan has nukes.And our troops or in Iraq!It doesn't take a genius to figure out what could happen.Bye India,bye Iraq etc. all in the name of Allah.

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brian fancher portsmouth ohio — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:28 GMT

islam is also proving that if you don"t do as they say they will blow you up in the streets . they don"t care for their children but for suicide missions .look around at euruope, they are threatening anyone that gets in their way , it is worse than any communisn that we fought in the past. their entry into the south america"s also showing their abilities of death to any one who says anything. watch the lebonnon news, they are killing each other in palistine, lebonnon Iraq . read QUARAN {9:11} it will show why this date is so important.and why america was attatted then. Mr Bush has it right .

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steve ny — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:30 GMT

Islamic state? We have a version of it in the USA.The minority in power ruling the country.When will the majority in the USA stand up and get rid of our terrorist govt?70 percent want bush out yet he is still in power.

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DW Sinclair — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:03:54 GMT

They can't have it both ways. If the people want to follow their version of Islam, fine. But it shouldn't be imposed on the rest. Secular laws do not ban Islam, but Islamic law bans secular law. And using children is the hallmark of cowards.

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Phil, Atlanta — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:04:25 GMT

This is just another story showing how Islam is a hate based religion. It has ensued fighting between groups for over a thousand years and will continue to do so in the future. It relies to heavily on the judgement of others.

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Wu Maan, Nebraska, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:05:46 GMT

If this story is true, if it is factual, the reason that you do not hear postivie stories about islam in the news, is because the Muslim population that does not prescribe to all the violence is quiet. They do not condemn the violence on a regular basis. Today, the icon of a Muslim is one who is capable of killing themselves and many innocent people as a suicide bomber, in the name of their god. As soon as you hear the term, "suicide bomber" , it means only one thing. A radical, misguided Muslim. Where is their humanity? I say that religion, for many people, has become a mental illness.

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Alex Rivera — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:06:12 GMT

Every where you have bad or good people. I am not a mulsim but I have good muslim friends. They are like us. Don't use relegion as an example. Jews are worse than muslims.

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truth — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:09:11 GMT

thiese news articleby US media is so typical and full of distortions and why is it all foucused on islam and some little its bitsy domestic affair thing going on in one corner of islamabad that realy affects the rest of the world that it has to be put on the main healine screen while theres wars going on and disaters and thousands serious crimes etc.. can anybody with trying lower their ignorance with some rational you can see whats wrong US media this lady is typical of whats wrong US and western media its pure hypocrisy half the stuuf written are unconfirmed information and biased like "kidnapped" Who opposes realy with some moral and decent mind what that msjid did if you realy read from pakistan TV of what happened with interviews with the students their has been thousands of similar moral actions takn by christians in the USA like against abortion doctors and abortion is something legal while prostioution is not oviously the US media has other prioritys then little tiny moral action in some little corner of islamabad and on top of that to distort things aswell only one answer this part of the campaign against islam also well known that CIA has been allocated funds to run anti-islam programs such as internet sites and media organisations what if their was a brotel next to a christian univercity dont you think the students will take action first maybe protest and then warnings and then if authorties dont do something action taken this is what exactly they did and is anybody aware of the hypocrisy here there is an organisation called jesus girls they do similar things go into brotels maybe not capture them etc.. but these women if you know their true story they will tell you why they capture them check youtube of their testimonies if you can understand hebrew

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aj Kwhost Afghanistan — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:09:36 GMT

Yeah Assad; Tell that to the people who didn't make it out of the twin towers, or the London bombings, or how about the misunderstood perpertrators of the Spain train bombings? Southern Thailand? Philippines? Who's lying? Radical Islam is the worst plague to ever hit this world and if we do not get a grip on it and soon, it will surely be hell on earth.

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Earl Zoeller, Tucson Arizona — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:11:01 GMT

Pakistan must stand up to these Islamic terrorists. If necessary kill them all. They are not messengers of God, but of a system of thier own making.

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A Human — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:12:08 GMT

... Nobody hates Muslims as much as some Muslims hate themselves. Where is all of this madness leading? Using children to promote violence instead of educating them to promote freedom? Ask most people with radical Muslim beliefs and you will notice the narrowminded stubbornness that leads to all of this nonesense. It's time for radical Muslims to join up with the rest of the world and educate themselves instead of wasting their lives blindly following someone's beliefs because their choices are limited. The same goes for any religious oriented microcosms. There is no Racism... just lack of knowledge and broader education. There's no Freedom unless all cultures and beliefs are considered and respected not imposed.

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Tony C, New Jersey — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:12:30 GMT

Nuke all these muslim countries and get it over with already. At some point there will be another Islamic attack on the United States that will force us to destroy them. They believe if they are killed in battle that will be rewarded in the after life, so why not help them get there. It is better they die than us. And while we're at it we should send all the Muslim immigrants back to their homeland, since 25% of followers under 40 think suicide bombing is ok.

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brian portsmouth ohio — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:12:40 GMT

news for Asad,new york. try explaining that to the families being buried today because some sick islamic blew themsevles up in a car or other in a bunch of people they did not know.by the way i noticed you attached almost the whole world in your own message :my friend, choke- cough cough . i believe you! to be one of those now.

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James Thompson Las Vegas NV — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:12:58 GMT

I gotta say... I am sick of people and their "gods". I dont know who is worse, some dipstick politician in the U.S. exhibiting piousness for votes or people whose religions disregard half the population. Or religions with boundless wealth that contribute only a fraction of that to the people they insist they are saving. Or the guy on TV that promises that "god" will grant your prayers for wealth if you pick up the phone right now and "pledge". After thousands of years we still fight wars in "gods" name. Killing folks is still religiously fashionable all these years after the crusades. So cross yourselves, bow to the sun,wave chicken bones over a steaming turd,pray, beg, for afterlife in the company of virgins or goats whatever your preference. Seek solice in an image toasted miraculously on a grilled cheese sandwich but do it out of sight and silently.

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arvind Columbus, Ohio — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:14:43 GMT

These modern day ayatollahs are actually ISI agents in disguise.Their eventual goal is to thwart the efforts of NATO/US forces out of Afghanistan and restore their glorious Dark Age of Talibanism in both Pakistn/Afghnaistan ane spread it deep in to Secular and Democratic India by way of trouble region of Kashmir. Bush(and whoever follows him in 2008)should concentrate heavily on this entire region rahter than itching to bomb Iran and get bogged down in Iraq.

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Pablo — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:16:06 GMT

Good Islamist? The ones that don`t take part in terrorism are afraid of the ones that do. They are all guilty by association of the same. Great point Phillip!

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call me daddy — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:16:20 GMT

wonder if a nude beach would do well in islamabad?

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Pablo — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:17:06 GMT

Good Islamist? The ones that don`t take part in terrorism are afraid of the ones that do. They are all guilty by association of the same. Great point Phillip!

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Joe Morrison — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:17:38 GMT

As a spiritual person and an American, I can say I do not hate Muslims. I do not identify with any religious creed or doctrine, though I believe in God the creator. What is happening is the fear the terrorists are generating is causing many Americans to hate radicalism and those who teach/preach it. It is difficult to distinguish it as radical Muslims blend in with the rest of society and are able to commit their attrocities on innocent persons. No, I do not like what my government and the monster oil conglomerates have done in the Middle East and other oil producing countries. I advocate reducing and eliminating our dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil for many reasons; the environment and how it causes such highly charged political issues in the countries where it is mined and pumped, to name two. I respect and honor all my fellow humans on this planet, but the only people I see blowing themselves up in an attempt to take out as many innocents in order to achieve notice and sympathy for their plight are the radical Islamic Muslims. It's like shooting yourself in the foot and wanting people to feel sorry for you. What happens is they just thing you are crazy and need to be avoided. I truly wish radical Muslims could find a more peaceful, civil method of making their point. To me, suicide bombing to kill innocents is more horrid and dispicable than anything a major oil company or *any* country has ever done to provide fossil fuels for their people's needs. If radical Islam wished to instill fear in the world, what they've accomplished is hatred for them and those with whom they associate. And don't blame the media. You don't see reporters or cameramen blowing themselves up to get their point across. How silly.

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shah — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:18:16 GMT

well most of those children come from poor families and they fall into the hands of these Mullahs who misintrepret islam and use islam and and these kids for their own political interests. These Mullah's live large themselves. They have good houses, nice cars, maids at ahome and properties.If they truely want sharia way why can't they start from their own home by donating their riches to the poor like our great Caliph Hazrat Omar Farooq and Hazrat Abu Bkar Siddique did. I think poverty and curruption are the basic issues they should be concentrating on both the Governament and these Mullahs. On the other hand being a muslim i do believe in islamic and cultural values but in moderation. If someone covers her head or shaves his beard is their own choice. its their personal act and its between them God. Turning these little things in bid issues is jsut a big drama staged by both the governamnet and the Mullahs and who suffers the consequences is these poor people.

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Bob, Boston MA — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:19:08 GMT

The reality is radical Islamic extremists are nothing more than power hungry tyrants who are perverting the religion of Islam under the guise of "pseudo" religious scholardom to gain control over the uneducated, illiterate and gullible. A big problem is the passiveness or fear of moderate Mulims in confronting those who would blow up children and denigrate women in the name of their God!

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Doug, Beaver Creek, CO. — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:20:15 GMT

God gave man the freedom to choose or not choose religion in his life. No man (or peoples) has the right to enforce their religious views on others through threats, violence and intimidation. The radical tenants of Islam are fundamentally flawed and not compatible with any other religion, period. It's a brainwashing of the worst kind that will usurp societies unless it is stopped...NOW!

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S. E. — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:20:36 GMT

Unfortunately, most Americans DON'T see how big this problem is. All we have to do is look over at how Europe is doing these days, and we can understand the fundamental incompatability of Islam with the values of Western liberal democracies. Islam isn't going to go without a fight - the question is, are we?

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saqip new york — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:20:56 GMT

Asad, what are you talking about. media does not give any bad names to muslim, we do it themselves. and you know that. all of our teachings and even our elders talk about this stuff in everyday life. our religion is the most intolerant religion in the world by far. look here in america we have a mosque and islamic center in every city pretty much and we dont' even allow other religions in saudi arabia and iran and even in pakistan. we dont' give almost no freedom to our women, convert ppl almost forcefully, if we are good ppl will embrace islam on their own, not the way we are doing. we never pick on our ppl for all the horrible thingswe do. look at all of our muslim brothers propering in america in academic and businesses, do you thing we will allow any americans with business loans and everythign else in our countries. and the answer is no. our ppl are out of control.

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Sane,Seattle,Washington — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:20:59 GMT

All religions suck, All can be radicalized and all have one thing in common, subjecting other people to their beliefs it doesn't matter if it's christains or muslims.Some muslims right now are doing the same thing the christains have done in the past.The just aren't killing people again, yet. My brother believes the United states should be governed by biblical law old teatiment style. He is a idoit also. Don't be fooled there are alot more idiots just like him.

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johnathan,Chicago, Il. — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:21:06 GMT

dear asad,et al,new york please leave and go back to where ever it is you came from and just know we don't want your views and comments put on us. we are a free country. the use of violence to press your point will not work in this country. good luck back home!!!!

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tim mullins — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:22:40 GMT

to the writers who condemn these fanatics: there may be hope yet for the world. after reading the koran, one thing i am convinced of: islam may be recognized as a religion, but it also meets every criteria as a cult.

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John, Toronto — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:23:57 GMT

The fact of the matter is, right is right and wrong is wrong. No one can have any illusions that these clerics are not kidnapping and killing people. The Pakistani government clearly needs to stand up to these people who are only a minority in the country. Any form of brutal extremism, whether it's these clerics kidnapping and killing people or Christians killing abortionists should never be tolerated. The should be arrested and prosecuted. God is not a God who would advocate any of this.

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Darwin, Minneapolis, MN — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:25:38 GMT

It is an unacceptable proposition that a Taliban style government would come to power in Islamabad and gain control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, however small it is. The dogmatic and confrontational governing style of the Taliban would likely reignite a nuclear standoff with India, an escalation of which would bring us to the brink of nuclear world war. It would also cement Russian monopolization of the Caspian energy reserves. The result is that American foreign policy will take the same dangerous tack that ultimately underpins the current geopolitical strife. The US will continue its support for Musharraf in opposition to a less palatable alternative, despite his oppressive dictatorial hold on the country, potentially creating yet another iteration of the puppet despot archetype.

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Ex-Faithful, New York NY — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:26:28 GMT

Its amazing how naive, ignorant people (yeah I'm talking to you Phillip Lamar of Colorado) of our country fail to distinguish between Muslims and Islam. White supremacists of the KKK do NOT represent the entire white race...the Crusades of the eleventh to thirteenth century do NOT represent Christianity...King Herod's 'Maassacre of the Innocents' does NOT make all jews murderers. No matter how diplorable and hateful all current manifestations of religions are, try and separate between people who "have" faith and people who "practice" faith

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Karriem, New York City — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:28:29 GMT

COOL!!! I can remember NOT LONG AGO when all was being done to keep the word "Islam" out of American media. Now, that's all they talk about. It's like the water burst the dam and the non-muslims are in fear of drowning. Calm down. What you are witnessing is a "controlled" exploding nova.

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Nick, Brighton, UK. — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:29:34 GMT

I'm with Asif Nawaz on this. Being a non-religious Brit, who happens to live with two Muslims, one a Pakistani, what he said makes the most sense. Islam is a generally peaceful religion, but just like most things, it can be abused. I think these scholars should be burnt, and these kind of ideas left in the dark ages. Humanism seems to be the way forward.

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Earl Zoeller, Tucson Arizona — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:31:54 GMT

Pakistan must stand up to these Islamic terrorists. If necessary kill them all. They are not messengers of God, but of a system of thier own making.

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fdr — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:41 GMT

Hey I've heard that Pakistanis have eaten Indians to dispose of the bodies they killed. Dam there hungry people

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Pkhan, Saint James,MO — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:34:48 GMT

It is very true that ISLAM is the peace ful religion but there are always certain % of people who interprete it differently and these Maulana's are part of that small minority. Govt of Pakistan does not want to take drastic Action where there is bloodshed from both side so they are giving them time to behave otherwise that would be the last action.If they want to Implement Islamic LAWS they need to win the election with a majority and then they can decide that will never happen that they will gain the majority where 85%of the people are moderate.They practice religion in there home.President Musharraff is a sincere LEADER and he is bold and God forbid if times comes he will not hesitate to take action.Out of all the POLITICAL parties in Pakistan when they could not do any thing against the Govt, they Got a point for SO CALLED CHIEF JUSTICE and started the agitations?Thats mean being the Chief Justice you can Call and force People to get his SON promotion/Admission even though he Flunged the EXAM.If thats the case of Superior Judiciary then should we trust our Judiciary. There are Rates Fixed for Different Cases in Pakistan and these Lawyers are the TOUT of the judges.They are the front man for the JUdges.All previous Govt were involved in Corruption on MASSIVE scale but not this Govt, atleat no scandal?

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Dave, Harrisonburg, VA — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:37:13 GMT

The problem with all modern religion (Christian and Muslim) is that we have become followers of men, no longer followers of God. Men will twist religion to suit their own means and gain political power on both sides. Go back to Zoroastrianism which predates all of them and has "good thoughts, good words, good deeds" as its only law.

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Dennis, Nixa,MO — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:37:19 GMT

Seldom a day goes by that the newspapers and television are not filled with reports of new Islamic terrorists activities somewhere in the world. The media has been known to bend the facts to their liberal slant at times, but to think they manufacture news is moronic. The world must face the fact that Islam is a violent, hateful, fascist religion. Islam is the scourge of the world and will only be satisfied when no other religion or form of government exists. Wake up world. We should love the Muslim as a people, but recognize Islam for the evil that it is, and the suffering it causes. No concessions should ever be given to those trying to make change by intimidation, threats, or force.

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foiji, Dhaka, Bangladesh — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:39:02 GMT

who bombs innocent children and women in Afganistan and Iraq from B52s? who has created Guantenamo Bay and Abu gharib where thousands of human beings are chained and thousands of women raped respectively? who is the only one to use nuclear bombs in 1945? whish country's diplomat said it was logical to kill millions of children in Iraq? the answer is obvious. and certainly not the people in this report

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Alf Thomas — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:44:23 GMT

Asad, I have lived and worked in your country during Zufikir Ali Bhutto's government. Any culture that allows and even encourages people to maim their children because they make better beggars is one that has serious problems. The propaganda that is being spouted by the Muslim clerics is just as false and just as misleading as anything in the western press. The only thing is we tolerate you in our midst which is more than I can say for much of the Muslim culture, Pakistani or otherwise. That tolerance will only last so long. So be careful as to who you call a liar.

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Dan Van, Toronto, Ontario — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:44:35 GMT

Well Asad I am not a gullible American and I don't believe what you spew. You live in the US but obviously have a problem with them and all of these lies that you talk about. You must be talking about the freedom of the press that exists in China and alot of these muslim countries such as Syria, Iran and the like. Its people like you who take mistakes by the US government and turn it into some kind of plot against you and your ilk. Your obvious bias sickens me as you came to the States for a reason but obviously forgot what it was as you sit in your safe secure cushy world.

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Kaiser Schultze — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:46:59 GMT

If Iran gets nukes, or radical muslim extremists overthrow Musharraf and get control of Pakistan's nukes, all this debate of Islam being the religion of peace sure will seem quaint.

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Davi — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:49:21 GMT

Oh, it is cleaver to try to equate this with Guiliani's clean-up campaign, but it is, of course, false. The clean-up of the Times Square area was economic, to preserve and enhance the real estate value and to preserve an area where one could take children without the threat of having to explain things one ought not have to. That is a far cry form the theocracy these clerics would see in Pakistan. Read the article and you can hear the Storm Troopers again on the march. And where are the women's rights organizations? Where is their outcry? Are they fitting themselves for burkas?

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Proud Pakistani — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:53:12 GMT

If those 'Maulana' really want to stop brothels from operating, then they should come up with the alternate means, so people involved in that business can earn their livelihood by doing other jobs and then request those people quit this business voluntarily. Stopping them by force will make things even worse. Just like Afghanistan during Taliban where women had no option except begging. Turning prostitutes into beggars is totally un-Islamic.

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Hiram, Chicago IL — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:53:36 GMT

Why don't they just close all the mosques and confiscate the land that was taken by the government if these people refuse to live under the rule of law? That's what Lebanon is doing with the Palestinian terrorists who live there. Most Lebanese embrace the rule of law, and if there are people who hate the rule of law then that is illegal by definition.

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Fuzzy, Okeechobee, FL — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:56:46 GMT

When a "Christian" bombs an abortion clinic or commits any other act of violence, mainstream Christianity openly condemns the act. When a radical Muslim commits an act of terrorism, mainstream/moderate Islam is silent. If Islam is so peaceful, why do the "moderates" refuse to openly denounce terrorism?

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Matt, Wisconsin, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:58:57 GMT

There are some good quotes here, but many of the responses just show how conflicted we are on this issue. Some people have said that Christians don't use children as suicide bombers. That is true TODAY, but don't forget the Children's Crusade, where children were sent from Europe to win back the Holy Land from Islam. Also, don't forget how bitterly the Catholics and Protestants fought just recently in Ireland. Is Islam evil in itself? I don't believe so. But, trying to apply centuries-old religious edicts to modern-day life is simply ignorant. Should we apply medieval medical technology to the patients of today? Should we have built the Astrodome with only the use of the Flying Buttress? Is the Earth the center of the solar system and is it indeed flat? Why do we still cling to traditions and ideals that have no relevance today? These brothers are DANGEROUS! Not because they believe in a radical form of Islam, but because they are willing to put that belief into action, and they are willing to teach children that it is ok to kill others that do not believe as they do. America was founded on the ideals of religious freedom and tolerance. But, we also need to weigh that tolerance against those who would use it to destroy us. Do not tolerate evil, wherever it comes from, and especially when it has already been the driving force for a deadly attack against our country. Does the American media love to overstate things? Yes, because it sells. But, read the article...are they lying about the soldiers that were kidnapped? Are they lying that these people want to attack us?

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khub Mansori, cheshire. Ct — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:04 GMT

The two brothers are not representative of large majority of Pakistani muslims. This episode is an example of mullahs love for power and possessions. The suicide bombers on the otherhand doit because their existence has been made full of such pain and they do not possess hitech missible bombs as their opponents do. Many in civilised society will be will to die under those conditions and for their cause.

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itret zaidi, new york — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:09 GMT

musharraf should send military imeediately to control or kill these fanatics

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Joe, Houston — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:20 GMT

I see a few of you must not have read the article. If you actually did, then how did you graduate from high school with such poor reading comprehension skills? Show me where the author says that all Pakistanis are "acid-throwing, women-hating, "radicals"? The article is about two brothers, their students and followers, not all Pakistanis.

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Howard Stroud, Dallas, TX — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:17 GMT

Perhaps everyone who feels sympathy for these thugs and the brainwashing they give the children forgets what we learned from the Taliban. Female women and children ate last, got no medical attention, were executed for crimes such as dress, makeup, trying to go to school, etc. Why are so many Americans blind to the fact that as this spreads, it will eventually come to America. There are now 2.5 million muslims in the United States. The day may come when you will either convert or be killed.

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Haskell, Pomona Calif. — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:22 GMT

Let women honor kill and stone the men.

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john doe — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:35 GMT

islam is a violent cult, they are scarry,they want world domination, so free americans cant do what theywant with out worrying about getting beheaded. they love to kill innocent people those muslims,i was in the middle east a few years ago before 9/11 and they hated us then, so becareful ,, we should nuke the whole middle east and start over again, wipe out all themuslim mosques and turn the whole place into a huge parking lot,

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davidwalter — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:46 GMT

is it just me or does this guy look like ringo star??

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Jeff, Washington DC — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:02:32 GMT

Unfortunately, you have to research things to understand them...not take the word of of someone else (especially bloggers...). Many people are ill-informed and believe anything they read. Certainly, read any article with skeptism and if you like, verify the facts. But most certainly do not take the word of some 'blogger' who has no experience or background (generally) to provide information, comment or opinion of other countries. For the record, I agree with the viewpoint of this article...

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Jay Johar — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:02:59 GMT

Most of the right wing fanatics in this blog have no concept of what the religion (Islam) is versus the cultural problems (dictatorships, women's rights, etc.) are! The US media and govt. have done a masterful job in the last 50 years of brainwashing average Americans against Islam to further Zionist and imperialist policies. Until people look at the root causes of problems, (it is not religion because ALL religions have good and bad in them). we cannot have a peaceful solution. There is open war on Muslims around the wrold, and then the West is surprised at the results?? The US, Britain and Israel have systematically killed and injured millions of Muslims in the world over the last 50 years, and now the West is paying the price. You reap what you sow, and what goes around comes around. (who used atomic weapons, what religion were the Nazis?, etc.)

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Tom G. — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:04:12 GMT

David B sums it up pretty well. These people want WW III. This country etiher does not want to understand that or is simply unwilling to accept that fact. Islam is committed to the utter destruction of the United States of America and all that we stand for. Maybe the US is wrong in its values and policies maybe it is right-as the saying goes; the winnes write the history books. I do know one thing; the United States of America has provided me with an opportunity to make something of myself and I have done so. This is because of the men and women in uniform who have decided that this country is worth fighting for. God (not allah) bless them.

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Karen ,Hampton, VA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:06:42 GMT

A wise man once said a country divided can not stand. Politics and Religion are for the first time in all countries the issue. It is the believers and the non believers. Each issue in history has had its time and place. It is now this time in history for the church to stand for its rights and its place. God is being pushed to the for front of all nations. People are seeing morals and values in all faiths being twisted and all religions are standing out and demanding to be heard. People whom have not believed better hear, better see, and better try to understand. The time drawls near... Radical I am not, but clearly I see. Look at your own children and question your own hearts and your own households. Things are not right with any of us. I have said many times leave us to ourselfs and we will be our own distruction.

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A Soldier, Pittsburgh, PA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:08:18 GMT

The spread of radical, militant Islam is the greatest threat to face the west since Hitler. The peaceful muslims are being swallowed up by the militant radicals. The European goverments bow to the rioters and terrorists. All Europe will be Muslim in 100 years. The left is blind and refuses to read the writing on the wall. The US and the west don't have the collective will to do what it takes to end the threat. Fortunately, I won't be alive to see the result of our failure to act collectively and decisively. Unfortunately, my grandchildren will.

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NavyDog, Atlanta — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:08:18 GMT

Islam cannot be seperated from the state and that is its danger to the world. It seeks to unify with the sword of government. Non-muslims can live in equality with Muslims, but Muslims cannot live in equality with others unless they are in control. Islam is a true threat to the west.

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Merscp — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:10:46 GMT

I'm sorry, but the comments here made about the media (which generally leads left)being responsible for the hatred and racism out there is so much B.S. Are the people making these comments trying to tell me that the suicide bombers are a figment of the media and our imagination and not real. Are we to understand that the mullah's are not preaching to rise up in arms and attack anyone not believing in the way they do? Are they not telling their students to hate and not destroy all people not believing in sharia law? Is there not civil war in Palestine right now. Are they not calling their followers to blow each other up because they had a cease fire with the Israelies and weren't blowing them up? (that day anyway). I do not believe that the media is portraying the radical muslim movement in any way more than what it is. A perversion of the true Muslim faith which preaches love and not hate

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james wilks, st. louis, mo — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:11:16 GMT

I read the article, what little, that it was, and I didn't see a prejudice in their. Although I understand muslim hatred of the word radicals. It's the same word that's used when black people in the U.S. ask for their rights. However, I donot believe that one should be able to have their religion "force" people to dress, act, or live a certain way. Nor do I believe that imposing Sharia will stop people from being human beings, i.e. with vices that will never go away. I do see in Ghazi, with his refusal to look the woman reporter without her head being covered, as a too strict disciplarian. Why must a women cover her head? It doesn't make sense that a woman is being immodest if her hair is showing. It reminds me of white racism in the U.S. Lastly, what's going to happen to the country if people of other faiths and beliefs donot, willnot, and out right refuse to follow the precepts and principles of Islam.

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Bruce Elgin, Il. — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:11:37 GMT

What I wish is that everyone would sooner or later realize that all religions were man made. Throughout history they have been cultivated for monetary, political, and control purposes. This isn't about GOD. god, love, and peace are all found from within one's self. The only teaching this entire world needs to follow is that of the "Golden Rule." And, there has been, one form or another of "do unto others as you would have done unto you" found in every culture and society since man has come down from the trees. It's unfortunate that man has created these elaborate and dangerous teachings when only one simple sentence would do. So we, as humanity are barreling headlong into what will be the true war to end all wars. That of Muslim vs non-muslim. Well, if our "civilized" world is hellbent on this, then all I have to say is "Praise the Lord, and pass the ammo.

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Dan — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:12:37 GMT

For better or for worse the print and broadcast media in the USA is the best in the world. The bar for ethical standards is held pretty high in as much as has been exampled by the firings of Dan Rather, Don Imus, and the fabricators of false information at the NY Times. It's a hell-of-a-lot better than state-run propoganda machines, e.g. Pravda, alJizzeera. Yes, I am aware that there will be a "slant" to the reporting, but we are Americans and these reports will be from the perspective of "us" and "them." So What? Present and past administrations are to blame for the perception of "favoritism" and Imperialism throughout the world. Lies and deceptions are foistered on citizens of all countries by their respective leaders and I am grateful that I can get this information in a free country from our print and broadcast media. It is the responsibility of free people to gather information from all sources, not just one outlet. We can do that in America. Be sceptical; but be informed.

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JW, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:12:50 GMT

John Doe in Dallas, When you attempt to compare Radical Islam to Evangelicals in the U. S. You just show everybody what an ignorant jacksass you are. I almost hope this entire country would convert to Islam and practice Sharia law just to see what happens to all of the liberals.

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Courtney, Murfreesboro, TN — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:13:02 GMT

You all make me sad. There's no such thing as black and white, good and bad. There are those in both Christianity and Islam who believe in peace and goodwill, and there are those, too, in both religions who would just as soon silence the voices of all who disagree with them. Stop making your ridiculous generalizations and realize that people are people, regardless of race, nationality or creed. There have been violent extremists in every organized religion in known history. That's no excuse for stereotyping and perpetuating "us against them" mentalities. That kind of thinking is the exact reason humanity is still such a mess . . .

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dr. hudkins — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:13:57 GMT

Wake up america! Islam want domination forget about oil.They want the world. They must be stopped as they were in 1200"s. Unless you want their life style for your grandchildren. Think before you act, then act like you see what happening.

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Khin M Kyi — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:14:42 GMT

Religious intolerance is the root of all evil, especially the rise of Islamic Fascism or terrorism which starts in schools. (madrassa). Thanks to our founding fathers who clearly separated the religion from state in our constitution, our country is a truly progressive democratic state. So far, attempts to introduce school prayer or religions into public schools failed. Until, there is some kind of religious tolerance in Islamic countries, there will be no peace. Religious tolerance should start in schools.

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JMan, Indiana — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:15:05 GMT

I find it odd that Islamic women would stand by men, whom if serving Allah well, will receive a bunch of young virgins upon death... a celebrated part of the Islamic religion for a man. So, does the wife who spent her life with a man hold the virgin's hair whilst her husband defrocks them in the Islamic heaven? If you ask me, the Islamic religion reminds me of a really tame David Koresh and Rev Jim Jones wrapped in a militant vigilante package topped with a harem of cherries... no pun intended. Since it seems like everyone has PhD's or higher education, I wonder if basic world history had been covered or if they accredit online or mail order degrees.

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Brett, Berlin, Germany — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:15:19 GMT

Three Cheers for president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf. His is the only voice of reason coming from Pakistan. He knows how to bide his time and is acting in the best interest of his country. He will act when the right time comes to quell these radical brothers. He has an extremely difficult job trying to run a country where extremism abounds. Turkey is where it is today because a General stood for secularism in 1927 so give Pakistan a chance to follow in the right direction. Any religion that controls the government is truly barbaric.

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bob deeee,in ct — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:15:56 GMT

i'm tired of all the hate and fear on all sides. it's wearing me out. i truly believe that all good/moderate Christians,Jews and Muslims need to stand together and express themselves and their respect for each other and demand that their religious leaders stand up for what is truly right. it so happens to be what is 'right' is the basis for all/every religion.

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Bill Merced, California — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:16:49 GMT

The key words to all of this is ( if you don't do as we say, we will kill you.) whare do you go when your life is on the line? there is no unity or attempt at unity. It's ether my way or you die. Thank GOD for freedom.

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Chandra, Chicago, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:16:54 GMT

These radical Muslims are problem everywhere in the world. Muslims should now realize that their religion is their enemy. Its proven time to time that people who read that Quran become fundamentalist and tend to destroy other religion. Its time for the world to think about them and what to do with this cancer in the society. One thing is sure that Muslims are not friendly and certainly not made for democracy & freedom. Those poor women and children’s. God give strength to them.

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starcrafter, New York, N.Y. — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:17:11 GMT

To the people that thought this article was bias. You are wrong. In fact it made a key point when it quoted Maulana Guazi's view on woman driving. It actually made think of the "propaganda" angle of the on-going politics. I dont attend church on a regular basis, in fact I have only attanded church once in the past 5 years. I was born in Mexico, raised in El Salvador and have lived in NY for 20 years. Why can people just respect eachother. Think about how nice it is when we all seat down and share our ideas and eat together and laugh together. It all makes me sad how the world is heading down a clash of the titans. Its all going to be for not and we will regret it a second too late.

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getting old — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:18:32 GMT

don't the "christians" remember their own past? the spanish inquisition for example? the crusades? as if muslims are any more violent! get real. human beings are human beings. stop printing hateful propaganda about the middle eastern muslims. you'd think MSNBC was a jewish cult or something.

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Floriana Tulsa OK — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:18:35 GMT

Only man doesn't care about other man's life. It is sad but true; specially training innocent lives to hate and to kill. What kind of god do you serve? God is a good God and the devil a bad devil. God is love. But how can someone love if he or she has receive it. No man should take other man's life neither control others.

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Quickerpicker, Minneapolis, MN — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:19:29 GMT

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton "More wars have been fought in the name of God" I don't know who wrote this, but through out history it is very true. Its all about power, and how to convince the hopeless they have hope by following the one who wants power. Interpreting any religious text to meet the desires of those who want power is a common practice. This is no different. The question to all of us with plenty is "What have you done for the least of my brothers?", cause if you have not shared your plenty with them, they will find someone to offer them hope and promise to take your plenty anyway. The key is to Love everyone. It is why God sent his only son. By not loving everyone, you take away their hope. This opens the door for the problems we have today.

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Jack — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:19:57 GMT

If it wasn't for GOD, what would there be to fight about? Everyone does this and that in GODS name. How do they know what GOD wants? They don't. Religion is the worlds biggest scam. You can believe in your own GOD without being religious. I don't care what the Middle East is doing. They have survived for thousands of years. Congratulations on that! Keep up the good work. When is the last time you read any good news in the world? The media don't report it because it doesn't cause conflict which leads to more bad news to cover. THE MEDIA FUELS CONFLICT!

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Iris, CA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:20:07 GMT

where do all you muslim-haters come from? what's wrong with you people?

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Moe Bondy — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:20:44 GMT

When I was in the service,a Battalion Commander once said in a briefing"I'd rather fight a thousand drug crazed natives than one religious zealot".I believe him now.

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oreal, Detroit, MI — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:21:17 GMT

Why do some fear Islam? I converted from Christanity to Islam over thirty years ago. I have met many Muslims who are unwilling or unable to think about or understand their religion. When I pointed out that Allah (God) has said in the Quran 'there is no complusion in religion' I have been told sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammed that contradict this. The violent acts by some Muslims will subside as more ignorant Muslims are challenged on the basis of Quranic Scripture. Right now ignorant Muslims are being manipulated by intelligent but flawed leaders just like non-Muslims. Ignorance and misunderstanding of Quran by non-Muslims further gives aid and comfort to those flawed leaders.

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Joe San Francisco — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:22:16 GMT

Can someone please tell me what was raciest about this article and how the author is raceist? These are quotes from the cleric that I didn't see were derogatory. I saw nothing negative aimed at islam at all? What is up with the defensiveness? He claified how the media was blowing up the situation. If the author was bias then why would he include the explination of acid not really being thrown and that his wife drives? Stop being so defensive! Calm down. Relax.

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we're all guilty of the same thing — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:33:14 GMT

speaking of spreading hate, why don't you just hate me? you say I am racist because I think islam should be outlawed. Am I wrong to want to take no violent measures to protect my family? By hateing me, are you not doing the same thing that you are accusing me of?

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Ronnie Pudding — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:33:15 GMT

Thank Allah NBC's blog is here to inform we stupid Americans about the subtle and refined minds of Muslims.

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Ken Kelley, Beaufort, SC — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:34:54 GMT

The author in condemning the brothers for violating Pakistan's laws they disagree with forgets one very important fact. Musharaf is a dictator who threw out a democratically elected government and seized power. He is no better than Saddam was. His alliance and so called support of the US war on terrorism is simply a way for him to stay in power. Having said all that, Pakistan has nuclear weapons. I shudder to think of them in the hands of an extremist/Taliban government.

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Misty, Summiton , ALABAMA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:34:56 GMT

Its very interesting to note writers accusing the Religion allowing children as sheild ( not true at all) ...... but does any one of them have at their disposal the MIGHT of 7th Fleet, the MIGHt of controlling the world economy , the coffers of unmatched wealth That USA has. yet it has 2 openly LIED time and again (proven) and then kill in hordes innocent civilains in the name of Collateral damage. So Y does Jerry falwell needs starpped bombers when they can just press a button in their homes and KILL. Ironic isnt it. Its a shame and height of hyppocrisy.Its a shame 2 see the pertaining to be naive us wetserners who are miss goody goody shoes and abhoring to watch these FANATIC Monster Mullahs

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Hasan Naqvi — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:36:12 GMT

The crux of the matter is this. Every religion and every ideology has its hardliners. Jews, christians, hindus all have there extremists, and they are entitled to their views, as long as they do not tell me what to do. Who is to say what is right and what is wrong. I have no problem with a hasidic jew wearing a black overcoat in 100 degrees temperature. I have nothing against a christian simulating cricification by toruring himself, or a hindu being pierced by nails for religous reasons. Just dont tell me what to do. and that is the problem with these lousy excuses for religous scholars that they want to force their will on others. They have to be leashed and curbed and by force if needed.

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China Dragon — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:36:21 GMT

Recently there were crisis in Karachi which resulted in the murder of more than 45 people and many injured, on the same day in evening the President of Pakistan was watching a dancing program in the capital. Can the prseident of usa do the same thing with his people? ofcourse not. If he could such a horrible thing with his people then why not he could create a drama like this. The head of the mosque demand a proof for throwing acid on woman but there exist none, and number two he is not extremist in approach as his wife drives the car and goes to the market to drop their kids to school. I really wonder about the article.

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AmericanMuslimahConvert — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:36:21 GMT

As a Muslim, this article and following comments are completely frustrating to read. It is frustrating to hear that there are Muslim brothers that are behaving in such ways, but on the other hand I only know what is happening in the region from this very one sided article. Wayne, what you have said is NOT the Islamic way. Perhaps before saying such things you might try learning about what the religion DOES teach. What we so often hear in the news is not what Islam teaches. It is heartbreaking not only to see this beautiful religion abused by it's own believers, but also to see biggoted comments such as that. Will we humans never learn?

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Sean, Torrington CT — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:37:34 GMT

Religion is poison. It once had a purpose, but now it is more hinderance than help. Belief in the super-natural is laughable...even worse is one group of supernaturalists killing another group of supernaturalists over their beliefs in the non-existant.

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Anthony Drake — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:39:29 GMT

Asad, are you using threats of violence against those who have a different opnion than you? "The time in near when there liars and distorters of facts will be chastized by the same people on whose eyes they used to pull wool." Sounds like it to me. Do people of your religion know any other way to respond to criticism than threats and violence? Is reason, humility and personal example forbidden in Islam? I have a better way for Muslims around the world to prove that they are indeed thoughtful, reasonable, peaceful, loving and caring people...act like it!

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David, Denver — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:45:31 GMT

Asad, what else are we suppose to think about radical islamist when all we ever see/hear about is suicide chicken sh!t coward bombers killing women and children in markets, beheading reports they kidnapp, or the "honor" killing of a 17 year old girl. Is there really honor is stoning and beating a girl to death? Muslims keep saying their religon is peacefull but you never hear of muslims speaking out against things like this? Why is that? Why isn't there a mass gathering of muslims to protest suicide bombings and the killing of innocent people? Is the religon truely peacefull or just a bunch of hate mongers that are upset that the world has advanced and passed them by?

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Keith. Yorktown, Va. — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:46:07 GMT

To respond to Duncan's question as to why these extremists are becoming more popular, it is a question of education. Invariably those people most attracted to this propaganda are poor and uneducated. This not a statement by me. It is from conversations held with friends from Pakistan and India. To respond to Asad, sure the media here spins stories, as it does over there. It happens all over. The difference is that over here the media is usually controlled by left wing liberals. Over there it's controlled by the state or the religious leaders. For those of you that think it's okay to allow the law of islam to rule the country, I say look at what happened with the taliban in afghanistan. They oppressed, tortured and killed all those not in line with their way of thinking. It is not right to run an entire country by the laws of a religion, whether it be conservative christians or islam. A countries laws should uphold and honor the rights of all people to practice whatever religion they choose.

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tylergnut — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:47:47 GMT

Asif Nawaz: In general terms I have no problems with Islam but liberals and socialists in the US and abroad believe in appeasement- I don't. The fact is I fault the US for some of the hatred against it why because we allow the liberal left to attack everything we do the liberal left is our 5th column and help fuel any insurgencies. But the same radicals that are defended by the liberals and the ACLU have nothing in common with them. To be honest Islam and Christians should be at peace until the blood of the true "Infadels" is spilled...I'll even donate the sword. The facts are as simple as can be at least the Christians believe in something that has a religious overtone and the liberals who lean to communism believe in nothing. I do have issues with "anti-semitism" and Hitlers "Mein Kampf" should not be embraced by Islamic leaders and people.

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JIM , HOUSTON , TX — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:47:47 GMT

HAHA I'M SICK OF ALL THE "GOOD" MUSLIMS BEING SICK OF ALL THE BAD PRESS THEY ARE GETTING. I GUESS IF CHRISTIANS STRAPED BOMBS TO EACH OTHER AND BLEW UP WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF GOD I GUESS WE WOULD BE GETTING A BAD RAP ALSO. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I AM A INFIDEL AND YOU BELIEVE MY LIFE IS WORTH LESS THAN YOURS THEN YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE PROBLEM , WHETHER YOU PULL THE TRIGGER OR SUPPORT THE BELIEFS OF THE ONE THAT DOES. "THIER RADICALS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN OURS" OH YES THIER IS! WHO BELIEVES THIS STUFF? YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A IDIOT TO BELIEVE THIS. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHICH IS PART OF A FAITH THAT DEAMS IT ACCEPTABLE TO KILL MY CHILDREN.

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An American Who Cares, Van Nuys, California, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:19 GMT

Asif Nawaz of Pakistan: my heart, and my prayers, go out to you and all decent Pakistani people, may your path to God be short and may your great country rise above the tyranny someday very soon.

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Sandy — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:49 GMT

Larry, what are you smoking? And John Doe in Dallas - Think about it - You curse the media for the garbage they print and report about Muslims and then you say harsh things about the religious right in our country. Has it ever occurred to you that the media is also reporting garbage about them too? That's why you hate them. Do you believe every single thing you read and hear the media talk about? Try Fox News. They tell both sides. The left wing fly by media are all in the back pockets of the liberal democrats in this country. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of people who yell "Rascism!!" are racists themselves at heart. Now, go ahead, insult me. Call me names. Get angry. All you are doing is confirming the fact that you are one of the ANGRY minority.

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A. Aggarwal, Windsor, ON — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:49:44 GMT

The basic issues for the rest of the world are as follows: 1. Does the Pakistan Government agrees that the clerics are doing the right thing? If so, it is only a question of semnatics and the discussions with the clerics to solve the tangle is the right thing to do. HOWEVER IF IT IS SO, IT MEANS THAT THE MILITARY ( which is essentially the government, inspite of the carefully built facade of having some civilian facade) HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY ISLAMICISED. This is a dangerous signal, since it will take us back to the cruel age of crusades, as soon as and wherever, it feels strong enough to undertake a crusade successfully. 2.The same question will have to be asked about the whole of the citizenry. If a large majority agrees with the clerics and want to ban music, films and all the other things that were not allowed by the Taliban, then in the long run, the country is going to come under a Taliban rule. Let the world remember what a small country like Afghanistan could "achieve" on 9/11!

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S.Rizvi — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:49:45 GMT

Very sorry to say, that you American are the most ignorant people on earth.The most congenital liars are your media industry.Who only believe in manipulation and exploitation,so that they can sell their product profitably.Do you American know that your media hands are stained with human blood? I tell you that,"your media is a greate compaigner and a propaganda machinery of the US governments.They support US unjust war adventurism all around globe.Fooling the most ignorant American people.I don'nt want to indulge in further verbosity,but I have this much to tell to the greate but ignorant American people that your liar free media want only blood of muslims and weak nations and emerging as a terrorist disguised as free media.

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Muslima in Cleveland — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:09:48 GMT

Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi, and others like him in Pakistan are right AND wrong. The very foundation of Pakistan is that it be an Islamic state - hence the name "ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan", so, they are correct in their assumption that Islamic principles should have some relevance in the government of the country. HOWEVER, in his video interview, Ghazi claims that there is no room in Islam for majority rule, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It is very clearly stated in both the Quran and the Sunna, that in the event that something is not specifically addressed in the Quran, or if there is some dissagreement with regard to the interpretation of the Quran, then it is taken to the people, and they are to decide - via a majority of opinion - what is actually to be done. Islam truly is a democratic religion...if practiced as written. It is just too bad that people like Ghazi, his brother and the rest, have perverted the sacred words of Allah for their own gains. This is a disgrace to the prophet, the religion, and those who follow it.

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Mike, GA — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:10:31 GMT

My only question in all of this, where are all of the so-called moderate Muslims. Each day is filled with news of new atrocities to innocent women and children who are blown up by so-called radical Muslims. I see no outrage and protests. Muslims only seem to like to protest if Muhammed is portrayed in a manner that they disagree with. I hear no protests for Christians being brutally murdered (heads cut off with a dull knife). I hear about Islam being a religion of peace but all I see is violence directed at anybody who does not belive in Islam and riots over even cartoons. What would happen if the Christians directed a violent wrath back at these folks every time one of our bretheren is tortured and slain by Muslims? What if every derogatory word spoken by Muslims about Christianity was met with a swift and violent response? What if the shoe were placed on the other foot? Which is the religion of true love and forgiveness and which is the religion that seeks to convert the masses at the end of a sword?

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Shannon, West Virginia — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:16 GMT

It's all about control. All religions everywhere have one very simple message "we're right, other religions are wrong". It amazes me to read comments like these every single day, watching as the population at large falls into the trap set by the elite of the world. Religion, money, and fear are the tools of the elite and they are used to keep the majority of the world population fighting with each other while they live the good life off the sweat of our backs. Open your eyes people, if the poor people of the world would unite, we could redistribute the wealth that is imprisoning us all and we may actually have a chance to be free. The elite don't want peace anywhere because it is a direct threat to their power. We're more worried about "terrorists" in a desert than the corporations that are effectively selecting our presidents for us because they control campaign funding. A qualified person could never hope to win any election without their support and they can't have their own agenda when they clearly "owe" their financiers.

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Chris, Savannah, Ga — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:41 GMT

Asad, what do you say in response to asif from pakistan? It seems that he has an inside "critical" opinion of the extremist view. Keep in mind that most islamic country's have medias that spin the facts much much worse than ours. But, one commenter had it correct, this is going to be a war about power. The extremist muslims want total control of all countries (AND ALL THEIR PEOPLE). Those that compare the extremist muslims to the religous christian right are ignorant. They don't kill innocent civilians or use children as shields. They also don't kill anyone that converts to another religion or stone people for not covering the heads. It seems that muslim men have no self control. Wake up America!!! This will be a war and we will not back down or lose!!

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T. Mirza Ontario Canada — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:45 GMT

If any one would disbelieve what kind of miseries are being created by so called mullah's and their strict followers read the local newspapers of Pakistan "Khabrain(Urdu language)" for the last one year. You will find so much law less ness under the name of Islam by Sharia courts run by strict mullahs and there followers, that I have to write a book on its activities, yet they call themself Muslims, they are actually disgrace to the country. In the name of Islam "Hodood" ordinance was drafted against the rights of women by General Zia ul Haq which had a full blessings of the Mullahs which had taken away so many rights of women that rape had become an easyiest thing in Pakistan ------which was finally corrected by Musharraf's Government which was strongly opposed by the majority of Mullah's. Now women can finally find better justice under the new ammendment. Currently there is tradition of "Vinnie" where the islamic jarga or court settles disputes snatching upto 8 year old daughter of the accused plus cash fines to the victem's family in order bring peace between the two parties. If the accused has 3 or 5 unwed daughters they are all handed over to the other for compensation. Now how it is different from cattle trading and it has never been condemned by mullah's or the people of Pakistan. Can any one tell me if it is not happening daily in Pakistan. Where is the justice. Yet people have the guts to write such an articles to protect these slefish, barbaik, legally blind monsters who are destroying the futures of these innocent womens. Imagin there had been a case where a lady doctor was rapped who could not get justice and had to leave the country to save here life. (just because she was a woman). Pakistans 20% population is educated and believes in justice rest of them want to close their eyes against the truth. They wakeup only when they are faced with the same barbarick action in their home.

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Raymond Coleman — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:13:03 GMT

To Phillip Lamar Colorado, who I seriously doubt knows any Muslims at all, Jerry Falwell happens to be an excellent example of a fundamentalist,extremist, who wants everyone else to be forced to adhere to his interpretation of his particular version of so called Christianity. That's why he is so involved in politics. Liberty University is his Madras. Is blowing up abortion clinics and shooting doctors and the people who work there an example of a religion of peace? What about the IRA? The people committing these crimes in the name of Islam are the same as people who commit crimes in the name of the Christianity. They are fringe groups, and do not represent the average Muslim or Christian. You should travel the world and meet people who are not like yourself.

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CARLOS MEDINA, MONTGOMERY ALABAMA — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:14:31 GMT

if corruption, could be curtailed, and true job creation programs created, then radical islam would slowly fade away. the youth have no outlets for their frustrations so it easy to be drawn by these organizations.

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Ron, Minnesota — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:45:21 GMT

If the "vast majority" of Muslims are peace-loving,tolerant people, where is their anger? Where is their dissent? Where is their outrage that a so-called "minority" are bastardizing their religion and trampling the sanctity of human life in the name of their God?? I have been waiting for this answer since 9-11-2001 and have yet to see evidence of the peace-loving tolerant Muslim. God knows the media is putrid with bias and spin but I doubt it could resist the headline that a REAL muslim publicly took a stand against militant radical Islam. DENIAL IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR INACTION. The only way to silence hate monger clerics like Gahzi is for muslims of peace and tolerance to take back their religion or prove to the rest of the world that Islam is in fact intolerant of other beliefs and will kill anyone who does not believe as they do !!

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Rui Pacheco — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:46:14 GMT

What I can say is simple: all this «islamic revival» with its resentfull and violent profil will finish bad. Basic emotions make bad politics and worst ethics. The use of suicide bombings will have an outstanding impact on... islamic societies. After this, things will never be the same. But meanwhile everybody will suffer a lot.

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Cherie D, Williamsport, PA — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:47:36 GMT

I don't care what type of religion is involved or any dynamics other than when violence is being threatened or used, it's control. When you have radicals of any type (creed, race, religion, any of the aforesaid) this is not bias or prejudice - it's time to send these perpetrators packing. I think we should let them all annihilate each other. You throw enough of them together with different beliefs, I think they will do each other in. We need to let them have that chance to annihilate each other and not innocent people minding their own business and living their own lives.

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Mr G — Wed, 23 May 2007 16:59:25 GMT

It amazes me that you people don't see what is going on. Have you ever read the Koran? Don't you know it is a muslim's duty to convert people to Islam. If they don't convert, they must die. That is what their prophet says to do. Islam is taking over the world. These extremists want to have sharia law throughout the world. America is the only country in their way. Chances are muslims will take over America (there will already be more muslims in Europe than any other religion/race in 20 years). So all you liberals that think it is racist to worry about Islamic radicals, maybe you should move to Iran or Iraq. That will give you a taste of how you want America to be in 25 years. Wake up!

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John Ermatinger, Baltimore MD — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:17:37 GMT

hmmm....I think we in america need to learn a lesson. like not let the Christian Right, or the Moral Majority, or whatever the religious zealots call thmselves take control of our country. Oh sorry they already did. I guess we are as bad as the Militant Islamics.

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SGT ALABAMA — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:18:15 GMT

You people want to talk about religious radicals in the US being no better, are you just blind??? I spent a tour in Iraq and I have witnessed many things in the name of a peaceful religion. I do not see religious activist in the US blowing themselves up in a market. I have yet to see them send a very small child wondering into traffic to slow people down so they can detonate and IED. I have seen first hand the resolve of these so called discriminated against non radical muslims who will sacrafice children to get close to US soldiers because they know that we try to go to great lenghts to keep them out of harms way. I am sick and tired of all these opinions about the war when you have never been there and the majority have never been to war. You know nothing about what is really happening. The news did not talk about the three schools that we helped build. We fight over there or it WILL come here and then all you bleedings hearts will be crying for the goverment to do something and start pointing fingers.

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tmark, cape girardeau, mo — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:20:49 GMT

I am simply amazed when someone mentions "radical Christianity" in the same sentence as radical Islam. I am only 36, but I can't remember in my life time when "radical Christians" burned effigies of their enemies during demonstrations. Correct me I'm wrong, but when was the last time Christians went on killing sprees because someone drew disparaging cartoons of Jesus or burned the Bible. Let me help you with this one, you will have to go back many, many years ago to achieve this objective. I could write a novel, but this is a comment, not a thesis.

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freedom for all, New Jersey — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:32 GMT

If Pakistan wants control of their country.... arrest the brothers! Second, treat your people better, third and most important, educate them. Once "islamic extremism" is embedded in the minds of these children, you will have a whole generation of suicide bombers in the name of God. The uneducated are falling prey to these "control" freaks. Take back Islam from them and pray, do good deeds and fear God (not man). And remember that only God has the power to judge. We are going no where by bashing anything that doesn't conform with our thinking and neither are they. This conform or die attitude is scary and tiring.

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Tom — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:23:52 GMT

The story on these guys is they are jerks. They may or may not have encroached on land to build, but calling for a jihad is not addressing the issue directly-just using religion as a distraction. Using kids or kidnapping to solve problems will just lead to violence. Every disagreement shouldn't be addressed with "Death to..." People need to stop and think about if a violent or aggressive act will ultimately help down the road. 99.9% of the time it doesn't.

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Orlando, New York — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:32:58 GMT

It is called indoctrination. Give me a child. I will raise him/her believing Mickey Mouse is the one and only true God. Add poverty, illiteracy, isolation, all this taking place in an out of the way town like the thousands you find in places like Afghanistan, and you will have a teenager who will willingly kill him/herself wiping out non believers under the guise that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs are waiting for them in Paradise with all kinds of riches. Religion is power and it has been taught for so long that I believe it is part of everyone, even those like me who do not believe in such nonsense. I still find myself saying things like "Oh my God" knowing such entity does not exist, it was all made up thousands of years ago to explain the unexplainable...

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Marzook — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:33:33 GMT

If one does not follows the fundamentals of his religion and propogates it what is purpose of his following that religion? So when true believers of Islam advocates other Muslims to follow they called fundamentalists who are not liberals and undemoractic. What about those Christian sects that propogate their religion vigorously, are they also labelled as udemocratic, etc. Islamist propogandists become militant as they are suppressed by thos who fear the fast spreading of Islam. Any view that is suppressed takes a militant turn.

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Joseph McDonald, Salem OR — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:33:45 GMT

Are you people totally missing the point? These people are CRIMINALS! They have KIDNAPPED people. They have DESTROYED property. What part of this do you not understand? This is not a fight against a religion, it is a fight against CRIMINAL!

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Gary, Mo USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:34:39 GMT

Its about time that the moderate majority of the muslims takes control of the situation in the middle east. its not just pakistan but the entire middle east. when you allow the fundementallists to take over then you sacrifice everything that you have fought for your entire lives. the people need to change it the ones on the street the ones who have to deal with it on a daily basis its time for a lynch mob that on thing the extremists cant hide from and thats the everyday people that they hurt. i was in iraq i know that the people there knew who the bad guys were the problem was that they wanted to avoid confrontation at all cost. but you have to remember that its too late to avoid confrontation. its brought itself upon you now its time to let the extremists feal the wrath of the everyday man and woman who are all to often killed on their way to the market it's time to denounce mass killings and not feal sympathetic to the extremists. if you dont change this from within it isnt going to get changed. its your freedom and your life thats on the line now what do you plan to do about it. i recommend a lot of sheiks,mullas, and other perverted powerhungry religious types get beheaded what do you think?

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Gerald Groulx — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:34:49 GMT

Just for perspective, keep in mind that the most murderous tyrants of the 20th century, Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler, didn't have a religious bone in their entire bodies. Yet they killed millions! When you have the WRONG people in power, and when they are insulated from accountability, they begin to believe that they have a mandate (from God, from the masses, etc.) to continue in power, no matter how badly they "serve" their god or their people. Thank heaven for term limits in politics. Thank heaven for term limits on earth (death). When today's leaders hand over power to another, willingly or otherwise, we have a chance to get a fresh perspective that gives hope to those whose earthly bodies are still attached to their souls.

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Ron Garza, Lubbock, TX — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:36:44 GMT

The big picture is that every country must earn its own rights. Pharohs have been overthrown, so have ceasars, dictators, and kings. Hitler would probably have lost his status in time. He/she who remains in power does so only because the governed are not sufficiently agitated. Any outside interference only confuses the process.

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Jill Lilly, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:37:02 GMT

The writer's name doing this article is Carol. I don't consider her racist. I doubt any red blooded American woman would desire to live under strict Sharia law. Don't call this racism. THis is far from racism. This is calling as it is. Radical Islam is not just a religion. It wants to demand everyone live by it, whether you are Islamic or not. Don't be fooled.

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shane crawford, Missoula, MT — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:37:11 GMT

I'm amazed at all the Americans with there head in the sand... we've been told that the reason radical Muslims hate the West is that we're rich and follow a different religious system. It's obvious to anyone paying attention and honest... they hate anyone that disagrees with their views. Anyone that believes if we could only get rid of religion than we'd solve the problem isn't paying attention to human behavior. Have you ever been around and atheist that believes we should recycle, go green or else we are destroying the entire planet. If you've noticed they are just as judgmental as any radical religious group that they believe shouldn't have the right to "judge" humanity. Hypocrites! It seems we all become what we hate. We need to take a look in the mirror and at the same time stand against any radical view that seek to impose their way on the rest of us.

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P. Collen — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:37:36 GMT

“In New York when Rudy Giuliani was mayor and he closed the brothels and all those things, no one said he was an agent of the Taliban, did they?” Giuliani was the MAYOR of NYC, not some self-proclaimed religious policeman as these two are. These two are religious terrorists, extortionists, and operate outside the law of Pakistan. And, as is typical of Islamic exstremists, they can not understand the difference between legal and illegal actions as ANYTHING they do in the name of Islam is considered justified in their minds.

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Concerned Citizen, Los Angeles, CA. — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:37:39 GMT

I have a co-worker that is applying for a green card in the U.S. that is from India. When he invites me out to lunch, he tells me that America is a terrorist country. He also tells me that Americans are just like the English and they are occupying Irag. He tells me he hate Bush and Cheney. Pretty soon he will be a U.S. citizen and the U.S. is inviting guys like this over for high tech work.

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Dan Portland, Oregon — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:11:43 GMT

Dan Van From Canada, Stay up in your country, please. Never come to America. The majority of Americans today are no longer gullible in your words. We have had a tough ride the past few years and have woken up to harsh reality. Until Canada stops living under the Queen of England as a subordinate to that Human Rights Violating Evil Empire of Past, you can't criticize Americans about anything. You country is owned by Britain, Inc. and if it were not for trade with America, you would be much poorer today as a non-sovereign nation. So Dan, what was your excuse in the 1990's for being anti-American during this Clinton-Pre-Bush Era?? You sound like a typical Canadian--Typical non-American Westerner that I have unfortunately run into in 25 countries on four continents in the past. You are of generic intellect at best Canadian Dan. From a Concerned American

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mickey downers grove il — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:15:47 GMT

Why all the fighting in the world for people we can not see or talk too. I could care less the religion of my friends and neighbors are. This is all too crazy

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Mike, Wisconsin, USA — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:20:37 GMT

Why must I be punished for the sins of someone else? I have not used nuclear weapons. I have not directed people to murder millions. If the west is being punished, it better damn well be for something I've done. If anyone wants to bad mouth the media for portraying how horrible muslims are, you've got it dead wrong. You should be praising the media for turning the west into soft cowards. In the days before our current instant media coverage, our nation was perfectly content to not see the difference between civilian and enemy. Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, were terrible atrocities, but that is what happens in war. If our current technological media existed then, Americans would have been sickened by it. The U.S. might have lost the war over such horrific attacks and the fear of having to do far worse. I believe the world is better off without fascism. Kudos to the journalists of WWII for knowing what needed to be done. Shame on us now.

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W.RIDLEY NASHVILLE,TN — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:25:42 GMT

IT WOULD BE NICE IF ALL RELIGIONS WOULD COME TOGETHER AND PUT AN END TO THESE RADICALS, BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE EVERY RELIGION IS DIVIDED AMONG THEMSELVES. THAT IS WHY MANY COUNTRIES FALL AT THE HANDS OF RADICAL INFIDELS.

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American, Detroit Michigan — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:27:21 GMT

I am so SICK of reading about these people and their ways. And it makes me even more mad when I read comments from some of you, mostly with Muslim names, sticking up for this religion. Are you frickin' stupid? Do you not realize that these freaks strap bombs to themselves to blow up children and innocent people? That they kidnap innocents and sever their heads from their bodies? That they say things like "The U.S. will die, God willing". God willing? I hope one of these days one of you freaks tries saying something like this to my face, and then you'll see how I really feel about you pathetic losers. Go stick your head up your a** and keep praying to your "god". Yeah, the articles spread hatred, sure, but only because there is this CRAP to report on. Yeah, I hate, I hate all you who stick up for this stuff even slightly, and I hate all you who think that it's the fault of the media of why I hate. You're about as smart as those freaks are, I guess. 70 virgins when I die - Yeak, ok, why don't we move out of the 1800's, these are tales that only a ignorant child would believe - oh I'm sorry, these people are IGNORANT. And just plain dumb/brainwashed. Simple as that.

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dan, el paso, texas — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:30:40 GMT

Well what is Pakistan to do? If they try to maintain the status quo, the muslims will over power the government and apply sharia (Islamic) law, if the government tries to crack down on overt propaganda by the muslims to incite overthrow. The critics claim racism and totalitarianism. What will we do? Our turn is surely coming since I have seen this happen to every country with a muslim population.

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P.K.VARDAL JOLIET,IL — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:42:00 GMT

I have read all of these notes . The thing you all are missing is that it's not our country or our problem . Just let them kill each other off; seal our borders and let no one in from other places unless they have someone here that will sign for them. The media that bought you this note is the lap dog of big biz, and they need a stable place for cheap labor. Don't get so worked up. I just hope that we can WAKE UP and STOP going to Wallmart and STOP buying Motorola made in Pakistan JUST BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS THEY MAY COST A LITTLE MORE BUT WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN .

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TechDawg22 - Georgia — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:48:47 GMT

1 simple phone call - to the right people - will resolve your Indian problem. But, based on my own experience, check to make sur ehe is Indian and not some other nationality, as most Indians do not get involved with this type of thing.

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Ahsan, Rcho Sta Marg, CA 92688 — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:57:10 GMT

pakistan was not made in the name of religion. This is a fact. the founder "Jinnah" was not a strict practicing muslim. The Law of the land even now allows Justice Bhagwadas to be the chief Justice of the Supreme Court. The religious "bozos" need to be told to participate in elections and then excercise their rights to promote their mnifesto. They should learn to obey the law. Musharraf should apprehend these criminals and fight back religious terrorism. If one studies the history of religious parties governing Pakistan, they would find these "bozos" never won majority to run the govt. Ordinary masses in pakistan are not extremists

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Jamus From, Jersey City, N.J. — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:05:16 GMT

I believe in Abraham, Christ, Mohammed, Buda and all other reported living beings. Hell I even believe that Gandi wanted peace. But I do not believe in a God, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Gremlins, Tooth Fairies, Leprechauns or Little Green Men. Mankind's leaders invented God to control the masses and religion was their method. Science has proven that we evolved from small rodents. There is no God only us, on this small little speck in space. Peace to all.

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John, Someware in Utah! — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:16:51 GMT

This is about the only thing He did say that i agree with. "Religion is the opium of the masses" It is easier to enslave the mind, Then the body! God is a great idea. Religion is a bad idea!

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Bob from San Francisco, Ca. — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:29:57 GMT

There have been a few serious attempts to assasinate Musharraf (the only stable finger on the Pakistani nuke button) in the past couple years. Sadat of Egypt was assasinated by muslim extremists. The Saudis (among many others, including Israel and the U.S.) fear Iran's unchecked ambitions for nukes. Lebanon is about to slide back into civil war, like the Palestinians seem about to do, while Turkey is beginning to backslide from secularism to muslim fundamentalism. Iraqis kill Iraqis on a large scale daily. Jihad, jihad, jihad!! Great, huh?

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Roy, Camtoville, CA — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:30:33 GMT

Most of the extremist views are a direct result of poor education. Children at those religious schools are taught the ways of the Quran from an early age, and , unfortunately the teachers seem to put their own anti-semitic beliefs into the curriculum. I have read the Quran (I am a Christian) without any coaching. I truly couldn't find anything in it that would lead reasonable people to be glorified by taking the life of another. The religion based Muslim schools do not offer a well balanced education.

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Georgia — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:36:24 GMT

In any country people should be allowed to worship without the threat of violence. Certain traditions are kept and some adhere more strictly to tradition whereas others can be more lenient. Having the government control the lifestyles of people is just not right. I agree the government needs to rid a city of illegal activity, but not for reasons that are not justified. The government and its people need to find common ground on how to make certain laws. If they want their country to be Islamic state then at least do it peacefully and fairly. Teachings of Islam should be for the purposes of good and not for the spreading of hatred. As with any religious teaching. Hopefully this will be accomplished peacefully.

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D. Spellman Ft. Worth, Texas — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:37:20 GMT

To Concerned Citizen- He could only invite me to lunch one time and start talking that crap. If it is this bad then tell him not to apply for the "Green Card ". Get whatever he is looking for in another country that is not a terrorist country.

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John Doe, BC, MI — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:41:36 GMT

I'm tired of reading such ignorant comments. Islam is not a religion of hate. You people need to realize, religion in general preaches tolerance, but in practice, most major religions are intolerant. A great example would be classifying all muslims as radicals or extremists. Yes, some muslims are, but not all. Classifying all christians in such ways is just as bad.. There are bad apples everywhere, and it doesn't require religion. The only thing that's really important is understanding and tolerance. Without understanding or tolerance, nobody will ever get along.

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kurt abbott, dundee, MI — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:44:07 GMT

perhapes america should withdraw all troops and isolate itself. Let the rest of the world deal with world wide issues instead of the united States footing the bill for a vast number of peoples who would kill any american just because some fool zealot says so.

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mw, tn — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:48:20 GMT

1st off, john in m.d. your an idiot.. 2nd, thank you sarge. 3rd. if half you whiny but cry babys had been alive in 1941, we'd all be speaking german. every time something goes wrong in this world the us is asked to bail it out and half way through the cry babys cant take it anymore and start boohooing. move to sweeden... grow up, these people want us and our way of life gone. like sarge said "if we dont fight there, we'll have to fight here". then were will the liberals be ? i know, screaming for the same protection they spent millions trying to get rid of. idiots.

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Merscp — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:49:13 GMT

Misty from Alabama, you are misinformed. The radical militant muslim factions regularly use children as shields and as combatants. But, in your desire to be anti-whatever that has to do with the USA, you refuse to look at the truth and instead fall deeply into all the "media conspiracy"hype.

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mw, tn — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:00:53 GMT

for all you cry babys belly aching that we are creating terorist, remember this. lebanon asked us to come there and try to slow down there civil war. they killed our marines. no one was in iraq in 93 the first time they tryed to blow up the trade cneter towers. we were'nt in the middle east in the 70's when the isreally olipic team was kid naped and killed. oh, im sorry , thats right its a bunch of kids out there doing the crying and your not old enough to remember any of this. i say to you, read read read read. learn the facts befor you run you flapper. this has been going on yrs befor you or your grand parents were ever born. it is escelating as an attemp to survive. we are slowly making headway and they are trying to stay alive with a loss or last ditch type effort. so befor you talk about how its americas fault they hate us, read the history books and see how many times this has happened in the past. its just that there wasnt the internet and world wide instant news like today. this is nothing new, only thing new is that most americans have had enough and are ready to stop these people. if you cry babys would stop being following load mouths who only want to hurt the u.s., maybe we'd get the job done

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Adam Maher, San Francisco, CA — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:11:45 GMT

This is not a question of whether Islam is to blame or not. Remember, before the secularization of the Englightenment in Europe the Catholic Church also stoned women. In the Salem Witch trials, women who were unmarried, widowed or absent at Church every Sunday was fair game for execution. The Crusades were all about killing anyone who wasn't like you. I suppose one can actually. There are 6 million Muslims in America, myself included, and I've never heard of a woman being attacked, a church attacked, or a strip joint attacked. Why? Are American Muslims just naturally peaceful? ITS ALL ABOUT CONTEXT. Poverty, anarchy and ignorance breed extremism all over the world. It may seem like Islam is the only problem but thats only because Muslims account for 1/4 of the worlds populations and more than 60% of live as minorities in non-Muslim countries. We focus so much of our discourse on the Middle East and South Asia and yet the majority of Muslims live elsewhere. Many of the other comments are just plain silly. For one, there isn't anything racist or biased about this article. For God sakes, the woman sat down with the guy and gave us his side of the story!

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Abu Mama — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:26:00 GMT

Sounds like the Ghazi brothers need a hug. Oh wait a minute, hugging from someone other than their wife would bring about an edict or possibly even death. God forbid somebody should hug someone who isn't their spouse out of love for humankind. I cannot tolerate intolerance. Death to all nihilists!

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shabbir, chicago ,il — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:35:58 GMT

this mullah does not represents the vast majority of Pakistanis .In fact, religious parties in Pakistan never got more than 3% of popular votes in democratic election ever.If democratic process keep going without any army intervention, these extreme elements will be marginalized .

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Reg Belledune New Brunswick Canada — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:41:27 GMT

Its refreshing to see the different points of views. This is what democracy is all about . If we can continue discussing these issues the extreemist will not get the upper hand. However this alone will not do it. One thing I believe that was not discussed, was what causes a Muslim ( or anyone ) to become a radical. In most cases it is poverty. Poverty brings hopelessness and despair. Death can be a salvation. The world will never solve this problem with violence ( ex Iraq war). Just imagine, if just 50% of the money spent on these wars, was spent on building up the economies of these Islamic countries, how much the standard of living would improve. Once people, especially young people, can see that they have a bright future, it will become very difficult to find someone, to become a sucide bomber.

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new york, new york — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:48:40 GMT

i think the US should start assasinating targets like these brothers. if nobody else desides to do anything about it we should. we are the most powerfull nation out there. Nobody should push us around and mess with our interest both at home and abroad. if arabs become a problem in the US, then just do the same thing that was done to the Japanese in WWII and stick them in a damn cage till the problem resolves and the terrorist are killed. These monkeys fail to understand we're 2007 and want to live like animals with their goofy clothes and stupid religions/customs. wake the @#%@#% up people.

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rj, okc, ok — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:56:20 GMT

fundamentalist christian nonsense. pointless article preaching to other fundamentalist xtians. use your brains people

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Spfld., MA — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:04:31 GMT

What drives the radicals in Islam? Gee, I wonder if it's the US foreign policy that attempts to control every country it can whether by economic bullying or military manipulation. The US doesn't like the clerics but it likes the Military dictator, President. The US likes Iranian puppet dictator Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and we help them kick the crap out of Iraq. Then, Iran gets the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, so the US now needs to manipulate Iraq by giving them weapons and support to Hussein to beat-on Iraq. All the while, the oil is being manipulated and OPEC becomes dysfunctional in protecting Arab oil interests/pricing. Then, Iran is rid of the Ayatollah, becomes a little less radical, and the policy shifts. Now, we really hate Saddam Hussein, he's evil, he's got bioweapons, he's a dictator, he kills his own people (like that's something new in the "humane" political world of the 21st century. (Of course, don't mention he rules one of the most Westernized countries in the Middle East.) Nope, he's got to go (because we want those oil fields and Iraq is the least likely country to have a total holy war. You wouldn't get away with invading say Iran?) So, gee why do the radicals dislike the US and any of its leaders that support US policy? Probably for the same reasons the US tried to manipulate Central America, South America, and whatever other poor sucker it can. Read the history of these countries struggle with US intervention and attempts at controlling the political situations in those countries. The radicals, as they are viewed, are extreme, but they are also part of the world's population that is sick and tired of watching the US turn every country it can into the third world so they can rape and pillage natural resources, labor, the environment, and whatever else it can use-up and toss away. Just wait. Soon you'll be hearing all about how the US has got to stop Venezuelan President Chavez from nationalizing the oil and helping his country. God forbid he should do that! It's so...ah....Un-American. Read some history. It won't take you too long to figure-out why the radicals are pissed and extremism is on the rise. Hey, you kick a dog long enough, it will bite you. Then, what does the US foreign policy say, "See, We told you that dog was a biter."

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William Antoun, St. Clair Shores, Mich. — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:10:42 GMT

These two brothers are not duing anything different than David Koresh of Waco,TX, using children as shields in the name of Christianity. We in America are just not used to realizing true history. The founding of the west(Europe and America) from the beginning was full of absolute intolerance, bloddshed, torture, slavery, imperial domination and destruction all in the name of Jesus! Clearly these times are not over. Look at what is going on with the past 6 years of our government people! Learn about Islam before you think it is that much different. Islam and Christianity are much closer in faith and practice than Judaism. Scholars will agree. Things are always built up in the media for propaganda one way or the other. Don't believe everthing is as it is written.

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Noor, Magdalean, NM — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:26:54 GMT

What amazes me is the number of people who are afraid of Islam and expressed in their comments. I don't agree with the two brothers in Islamabad but neither do I side with the Islam bashers. I am an American, through and through can trace my roots in America for 7 generations and yes I am a Muslim revert. Read the Quran before bashing Islam and not just a verse someone points out to you, read the WHOLE Quran. And before you consider bashing Islam you might consider what makes people lose all hope that they are willing to chance Paradise to blow themselves up. The problem is not Islam, the problem is a world where a child's life is so bad that blowing themselves up is a better option. As far as women covering themselves up........I wear a scarf proudly. No man forces me to cover up, I do it for myself and God........people blame Islam for the state of affairs in the middle east but governments use Islam or any religion, for that matter, as a cover......war is about, power, land, money.......the only ones who suffer are the poor and powerless.

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Ali Kahn N.Y — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:27:41 GMT

Islam is peace from god (ALLAH) do the eastern goverments want peace let them meake peace in christian contryes like Columbia,Nicaragua etc.It's unexuseble to say they cant make peace no one believes such a crap they control UN ,NATO,IMF,UNCHR and all other powerful organizations in the world.

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A Logical Thinker, Small Town, Ohio — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:37:49 GMT

America as a terrorist country....the very thought is so blatantly ridiculous. If we were truly a terrorist country then why was our retaliation for 9/11 not aimed at random muslims. A terrorist reaction would be to simply destroy the Mecca. It's certainly in America's power to do so. However, like any responsible and reasonable country would we instead went after the actual TERRORISTS not random innocent muslims.

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SIMMER DOWN — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:38:21 GMT

To Raymond Coleman- To attack a great person like Falwell, who has recently left this miserable planet to go on to a more peaceful world, is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. This article is about the inability for some to find peace with others. You could be the "some" and I'll be the "others." NO PEACE HERE

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Fatima A — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:43:38 GMT

Umm.. Pakistan is not a muslim country. Ugh!! It just has a mostly muslim population... and was built out of a carnage called "Partition". Any country that has that sort of foundation is bound to be pretty ugly.

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Syd, stoptheprejudiceUSA — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:52:04 GMT

Bravo to all the bigots and narrow-minded in this blog, yea ur very right! ur culture and religion is the best, u r hollier than muslims, islam is evil and ur religion is holy and ideal, u have no violence in ur religion and culture but there's plenty of it in muslim countries, 1.5 billion muslims are all terrorists and evil ppl, ur population is the most or peaceful and moral, they don't commit any violence or evil actions, no women oppression and abuse in ur society, no shootings in schools, no weird and violent ideas in ur religion, other countries invade urs, bombard the roofs on ur heads, emprison and humiliate ur men and rape ur women in prisons and give support to ur tyrannical regime, ur governments are spreading peace and civilization in the world and that is why ppl in all the different continents love u and ur way of life and how u treat other countries, so Islam and muslims are evil and demonic, u r the best and holliest... is ur arrogant ego satisfied yet? if not, just keep branding Islam and muslims with any derogatory racist hateful prejudiced names and adjectives that exist in the English language, am very proud of ur open-mindedness and comprahensive knowledge of the OTHER!!!

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just a little man — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:55:12 GMT

ok. for all the ignorant and let me say stupid and uneducated fools who probably can't even spell the name of the town they live in. stop posting negative comments about religions or cultures you are ignorant and unaware of. let me enlighten you a little bit. Its because of muslims that columbus discovered America. Read about his navigators. Read about astrolabe. And all the stars that you can see at night please find out their names, all arabic, arn't they. While mostly European nations were killing and plundring each other the muslim world was flourishing and growing in harmony. field of medicine, science, physics, alchemy aka chemistry, algebra, concept of number 0 again arabs and i bet the numbers that you are familiar with, are called arabic numbers. before wright bothers even dreamt of flying machines the arabs were on it. computers, watches, medical devices. so what i suggest is read brush up on your history little bit and no history does not start from the american civil war and ends in vietnam. no the other real history, the big history and you may have a chance to get reformed. and then you may judge.

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Walter : Buffalo, N Y — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:58:14 GMT

Please tell me how many more millions of human beings do you think need to be slaughtered mercilessly on this planet - in the santimonious name of religion - before WE put a STOP to the absurdity of these abominable acts of sheer blind barbarism. This statement is not by any means to be considered as un-appreciative of the great good that religions have decidedly accomplished. But can any-one turn a blind eye to the terrible destruction that has also - and forever - been resorted to in it's name ! So I'd like to advance a few thoughts on the nature of RELIGION which could help readers seeking a realistic cure to it's unfortunately persistent and horrible flip side. Please understand that no disrespect is meant to any particular religion what-so-ever. Here are my thoughts All PEOPLES have a right to subscribe to the versions prevalent in their midst as regards the following mysteries : one, the creation of this universe ; two, the purpose of our being on this earth ; three, what happens to us when we finally cease breathing (some refer to that state as 'death'). Geography history and society together - when viewed along-with the natural human propensities comprising FEAR and HOPE - provide different peoples with differring versions of the answers to those highly complex mysteries. These answers are gradually accepted as they tend to provide peoples with an ambiance comforting enough to allow them to be further expanded into the form of BELIEFS. The process described above is generally the outcome of the minds of extremely well-intentioned human beings - all over the world - who in turn then come to be known as the 'founders' of RELIGIONS. Each one of these founders - and as time progresses there could well be many within the same tradition - invariably attributes their particular 'philosophy' as one disclosed to them by a power FAR higher than themselves. That 'attribution' then provides the founders with the authority to direct their people to follow the vision that they have declared. Viewing the above along this line of reasoning leads one to the conclusion that in effect all RELIGION IS MAN-MADE. If one has the patience to read up on the development of RELIGIONS it will be proven that they are all formulated by human beings - and all along the line. Then comes the phase of the translation of these comforting beliefs into differring languages and then comes their further and on-going interpretation and re-iterpretation again by human beings to meet the requirements of the TIMES and REGIONS in which these translations and interpretations are carried out. The POWER far higher than each one of these founders -as referred to above - is once again SPECIFIC in keeping with the intellect of the founder and there-after of those who develop his vision in the same tradition) according to the needs of the time in which perceived. In different languages this Higher Power is very obviously differently named as well as differringly specified ! The unquenching thirst for 'the truth' wil nver stop ! So let it continue. But along-side do we now have some material to put that awfull flip side of Religion in a far less violent state of conflict and could we commence to STOP the slitting of the throats of those who have a different version of BELIEF ? I do appreciate any comments that you may like to enlighten me with. My e-mail is provided...........

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Duh What, Greensboro, NC — Thu, 24 May 2007 00:30:51 GMT

Shannon,Communism does not work, either.

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Alfred Vieyra Geotgetown Ontario. — Thu, 24 May 2007 00:52:25 GMT

From where I sit, outside of the USA and Pakistan, I see absolutely no difference between thw situation in Islamabad, and that which existed in Waco.In both cases, we have religious extremeists,rightly or wrongly, defying the establishment, under cover of children. One is left to wonder if the resolution of the situation in Islamabad will be similar to that which ocurred in Waco. Would it be a measure of the morality of each country?

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j w san diego ca — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:06:11 GMT

Its unreal all the people who dont believe radical islam is all about taking over the world. just like a guy named adolph many years ago. If we do not standup now and wipe them of the face of this earth and send them to allah. we all will be practicing islam in the near future and not by choice.

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Doug, Columbia, Mo. — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:35:50 GMT

Hey S. Rizvi, who is commiting acts of terrorism all over the globe? It's Muslims, you are the religion of hate and death. Everywhere there is human misery and suffering, Islam will be there to exploit it and make it worse. People like you are the stupidist people on earth, you watch Muslims slaughter women and children then blame it on Americans. Who blew up the world trade center, let me guess your answer, "those damn Jews, and the American government". I'm sure you want Isreal wiped off the map too? It's people like you whose hands are covered in blood, you blame everyone but Islam.

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Kathy — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:36:12 GMT

John Doe said, "In the Arab world they are called radicals, extremists. What should we call the religious right over here? They are doing the same thing here and get support for the government." I respectfully disagree with John Doe's comparison. There is a great difference between Islamic radicals and American evangelicals. I haven't seen any evangelicals beheading nonbelievers lately, or advocating the violent overthrow of the United States. Evangelicals may be annoying at times, but they aren't strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing people away to make their point.

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Scott, Missouri — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:37:34 GMT

Dear Muslims. I dont hate Muslims, I hate Islamic extremists. My hatred began on 9/11/01 and will continue for the rest of my life. Any Maulana or religious scholar who teaches it's good to kill everyone who believes in a different God is pure evil. I dont care what God you woreship why should islamic extremists care what God I woreship? Its none of thier damn business. By the way do these idiots actually believe they will get 70 virgin women if they commit suicide while killing others who dont believe in thier God? If so, what do they think WOMEN suicide bombers will get? 70 virgin MEN?? And do they really think its ok to kill anyone who draws a picture of the prophet mohammed? Why? Is he really ugly or something? No I'm not Christian, I'm Agnostic. I dont believe any religion has it figured out. Certainly not islamic extremists.

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rakel mephel, phoenix, arizona, usa — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:38:24 GMT

why do you have to title the article "radical clerics"... all that does is misinform and make everyone think that all muslims are radical. how about some responsible reporting? i'm sick of the arab-bashing.

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re - concerned citizen LA, CA — Thu, 24 May 2007 02:00:46 GMT

It is obviouse that Americans are frustrated with Islam, the "war" and everything related to these. Americans need to realize that Islam as a large organization is no different than Nazi-ism it is about world domination and forced religion just like the pilgrims fled in England when they came to America starting in the early 1600's. We fought a revolution to be free of this type of tyranny. If you read the events that led up to the declaration of independence it is fairly clear. The colonists did however, wait until things became so bad that they almost lost everything including their lives simply by not standing up to the threat earlier. How is it that we have forgotten all this and our country has become a place where the enemy can come here, live amongst us for twenty years, then fly a plane into the twin towers and we still don't get it? Are we going to wait until we have to fight another revolution with guns in our cities and towns like the revolutionary war of 1776? As you can tell I'm more concerned about the war comming to America through Islam. Our government and buisness however, has also gotten involved in those countries in ways that we should not have. We need to create our own fuel and get out of the middle east entirely, follow the advise of George Washinton - that America should not be involved in world conflicts unnecessarily. That is not our purpose as a nation. I hope we can realize what is going on before it is necessary to fight another 1776?, Or have we already begun, in Irak? Patrick Henrey said, "give me liberty or give me death!" I also like New Hampshire's state motto - "LIVE FREE OR DIE!" Concerned Navy Veteran.

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Sandy — Thu, 24 May 2007 02:10:29 GMT

This for Concerned Citizen, Los Angeles, CA. He thinks that the Pakistani are already infamous bring my enemy number 3 (Indian) into fray. Kiddish.. Enemy number 1 for all the radicals are Israel Numbar 2 is America Even the Federal Tourism Minister Nilofer Bakhtiar of that country has been issued fatwa from these Radicals

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been their, it sucked — Thu, 24 May 2007 02:27:24 GMT

bottom line if your muslim---real in your crazy fanatics and take care of them yourselves---are you a pacifist or an associate---if you would take a stand agaist this b.s. then maybe others will believe you are a peacfull religion---if not you will be guilty by association and face the same demise.muslims are quick to claim the radicals are a minority but yet the majority sits on their a$$ and does nothing to stop it.if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck---guess what---its a duck!

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Jim — Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:58 GMT

Just as corruption is still prevalent in Mexico - many say it goes back to ancient times, the ways and means of Radical Muslims smells of the Ottoman Empire. It takes hundreds and hundreds of years for cultural change to occur in large numbers. Beheadings - those were commonplace 500 years ago - just ask a Bulgarian. These people are criminals now just like they were then. Not terrorists or jihadists - criminals. They are breaking the law of the people and should be fairly tried and sentenced. They deserve no glory

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bob roberts — Thu, 24 May 2007 04:44:54 GMT

the US is not far behind in its religious radicalism. we just call it the far right and politicians must get their blessing in order to passify them. the religious right is trying to exert more and more influence on the US populace to make a "christian" driven nation with christian ethics, etc. HOW is this DIFFERENT from what the radicalized jews and radcalized muslems ???

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Kate, Bronx, NY — Thu, 24 May 2007 04:48:25 GMT

Women who don't cover in Islam will not be stoned. They are to cover as a form of modesty, as was prescribed in all the major world religions--ever seen the Virgin Mary without a veil? Tell me, what is the rape rate in the Islamic world versus NYC alone? Let's face it, men cannot always keep their eyes closed and need help. Just think of society if all the women covered...That doesn't mean women can't be productive members of society. They could still run businesses, be your doctors, teachers, lawyers, etc. They just wouldn't have to be half naked to do so, and might even be respected for what her thoughts are instead of how much her cleavage is or what shade of blonde her hair is.

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Ammar Denton TX — Thu, 24 May 2007 05:00:24 GMT

My brothers and Sisters; Let us face the truth. MSNBC and the government of the United States do not love Israel. America uses the Jews for "cannon fodder" and to maintain a ssense of strength in the middle east. Israel is like a a giant unmoving aircraft carrier and as long as it exist we Muslims will not control our own destiny. Unfortunately, because Israel is so powerful militarily they will destroy us if we attempt to force our will on them. That is the reason the U.S. supports them so strongly. They are one of the last barriers to our controlling our own destiny.

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11 Bravo — Thu, 24 May 2007 05:30:19 GMT

This Indian who will soon become a US citizen would like to say that dont play too much into these Mullahs. They are jokes. Their real threat is brainwashing poor uneducated Muslims who are indoctrinated into murder from the age of six. Also as my brother is serving in 4TH Infantry Division in Iraq, Concerned Citizen, I am against the Iraq war, but I support my troops, and to that co-worker, tell him to shed his commie tears and thoughts and accept capitalism. As for this Mullah, he was made by Pakistani army and he will be finished off by pakistani amry. He is just a pawn for Musharraf to scare the west that without him its the Mullahs, and thats the biggest lie being sold to Bush.

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readquranandseetheevil — Thu, 24 May 2007 05:36:28 GMT

Usman Khan of Peshawar is wrong. Quran and Mohammed do allow prostitution of women and males. Mr. Usamn I will leave the exact verses aside to prove my argument since I know you have never read an Arabic Quran, you were told by Mullahs what is written in Quran. No society, forget religion allows prostitution, Non-Muslims are not compelled to live their life under the threat of God as Muslims do. If prostitution is wrong, then what this Mullah is doing is also wrong. This is the arguement, also why do Muslims need to point out Christanity as an excuse for their stupid behaviour? Islam is the real religion correct? That has remedied all the mistakes of Christainity, except for earth being flat correct????

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Religion run amok, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 24 May 2007 06:29:41 GMT

I read articles like this about religion and how people in the world use religion as the basis to subjugate and control other people, and to perpetrate unbelievable violence on those who aren’t stupid enough to be controlled. If there was no such thing as religion, these same people would be doing the same thing in the name of Capitalism, Marxism, Communism or _______ (insert your own –ism here). What I can’t understand is how millions (billions?) of people are still worshipping the sun and moon. Religion is all indoctrination. If you are raised by others who teach you from the moment you are born that despite all common sense to the contrary, there is a omnipotent god (insert prophet, savior, or deity(s) as you choose), how many people will not come to believe it is true? Now add in the Controllers who want to take advantage of this to push their own agenda and you’ve got children being taught that their special god is the only real god and anyone else's god is the fake god and we must kill them for not believing in our god!! When someone else questions your mindless devotion to such ridiculous / fanatical beliefs you say that despite never having seen or heard your religious ICON, you know he/she/it exists because you have FAITH. (AKA you are BRAINWASHED). Why, oh why can’t people just open up their eyes and say… HOLY smokes, I was an easy target. And to think, you don’t even have a title to the famous bridge to heaven (and the 40 Playboy Bunny Virgins waiting there for you) to hang on your wall as evidence of your foolishness.

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3n1gm4 Keokuk, IA — Thu, 24 May 2007 06:30:21 GMT

I think it's funny that muslims always referr to US as occupiers. Every year muslims migrate to just about every nation imaginable, and then make demands on the host nation to accomodate their religion. How many christians reside in Mecca? Not 1. So who are the real occupiers here? Yea we have extremist christians right here in the US, the only difference between our christian extremists and the muslim extremists is that our christian extremists don't threaten suicide attacks, riots, etc when they don't get their way.

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john Doe North Carolina — Thu, 24 May 2007 06:49:21 GMT

Musharaff dont be crowned as a coward go get the Lal Masjid cowards who hide behind the name of Islam. Get rid of them wipe them out and clense the nation of Pakistan of the so called mullahs of Lal Masjid.The world will cry foul amnesty International will cry foul so be it, do what is to be done get rid of these hijackers of Islam a religon of peace. The Pakistani people never forgive you if you do not take action immediately, what negotiations are you thinking about with these people who hide behind children and women they are the cowards not you, be a man face the facts and act that is what you have been trained for. A few live for the future of the country is a scarifice worth it. Do it Do it now time is not on your side

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Yu Se Fu, Beijing China — Thu, 24 May 2007 07:35:15 GMT

What are these clericks so afraid of? Is their teachings so weak or so dogmatic that it requires guns and bullets to protect itself? Is it not possible that instead of living and promoting the continuation of the misery and poverty of thier local they should look inward and mabey say...why are we living in such backward and poor conditions mabey we are doing something wrong. What can we (the clerics) do to physically help the conditions our people live in. Trying to put the blame on others for your own misery is a no work useless and easy way out. Is what they are teaching actually making things better or is it another thousand years of status quo?

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awabnavi — Thu, 24 May 2007 10:40:26 GMT

We must all understand that Pakistan was established as an Islamic State not a Secular State. The Indian sub-continent was divided because the Muslims did not want to live in a country which was ruled by the majority Hindus. They wanted to live their lives in a Muslim country in a Muslim manner. So why force them to become SECULARISTS, either by politicians or by a military dictator? Why isn't a REFERUNDUM held to ask the Pakistanis whether they want Muslim laws or secular laws? Or do they already know what the result would be? What the American backed Dictator wants to do or Americans want to do should not take precedence over what the majority of Pakistanis want to do.

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madhu, Chennai, india — Thu, 24 May 2007 11:49:27 GMT

to the previous poster, Is there anyone who doubts that the US and Britain are currently Occupying Powers in Iraq. In any case, this has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Back to the issue - when the government is illegal as the current one in Pakistan and unrepresentative of the people - it is too much to expect any hard action and appeasement of the people who will take Pakistan and its neighbourhood to the medieval times is the only action they can do. For those who have forgotten history - the Christians killed plenty of non believers in South America, Africa and Asia and fought among themselves ( Catholic vs Protestant) with clergy egging them on ( Inquisition, Crusades anybody). The Muslims need a Reformation and need to firstly accept the various sects of Islam can have their intepretations of the Quran. Acceptance and tolerance of other religions will be follow on action to that. Hence we have ways to go

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F. Crosthwaite, Palm Springs,CA — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:02:13 GMT

I believe in the rule of economics and Cosmic Justice. We will have peace from all forms of hatred spewing out from Isalamic extremists in the next 30 years when the oil runs out. After that, they will be of no more relavance than whale oil is today to light our lamps. It is sad to think of how much money has and how many lives have been wasted. All of the petty mullahs of this world should take note; the only force that has ever brought stability to these regions has been the west and our need for oil. When "The Great Satan" departs from the middle east, it will implode. They will turn upon themselves and bring about their own doom. The events unfolding pitting Iraquis vs Iraquis and Palasteinian vs Palasteinian is an excellent case in point. And when that day comes when the west turns her back on this region, the Middle Eastern peoples will feel the lash so gleefully metted out by the mullahs to the west turned upon themselves. You shall reap what you sow.

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Sean, Torrington CT — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:32:24 GMT

Religion is poison. It was once a useful tool for the development of civilization like indentured servitude, slavery and serfdom. In the modern world, the promises of religion are transparent and pathetic. There is no proof, only threats of what will happen if you do not obey. Religion's goal is divide, not to unite! We must squash this surge in supersticious backwards beliefs.

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Fred Jones, Middletown, CT — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:18:03 GMT

It is just too bad that the crusaders failed to rid the world of Muslims centuries ago. Also, they (Muslims) claim to have a peaceful religion and love their brothers, so why do they have sectarian violence in many parts of the world? If they destroy us all and take over the world, whom will they blame and kill for all that is wrong? It is most amusing how much they hate us, but the ruling Saudis are amoung the richest and greediest people in the world. Can they say HYPOCRITE!

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Thinker, Tampa FL — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:24:52 GMT

How can you compare the atrocities of the distant Christian past with the current crisis in Islam? You cannot, one is the dark past and the other is a current and looming issue of significant world importance. No all muslims are not extremists, but statistics do show that the mainstream muslim has no problem with implementing sharia law or killing people in the name of Islam "in certain situations". The mainstream muslim person is clearly closer in mentality to the extremeists than they are with the average "infidel". So let's not pretend that the mainstream muslim is not part of the problem (or the solution). I claim it is the future actions of these mainstreamers that will determine the future of this "war".

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john florida — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:54:27 GMT

YU SE FU,CHINA the longer they keep their people in the dark feeding them their brand of truth the more contro they have.an education is the last thing they wish for their people.once their people are exposed to the outside the clerics have no control of their minds.the only way they can do this is keep them blind and deaf and fill their heads with nothing but pure evil. hate is their best freind, followed by fear.

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Muslima in Cleveland — Thu, 24 May 2007 17:19:10 GMT

(1) Let this be PERFECTLY clear, there is a difference between Muslims and criminals. Just because 99% of the Ku Klux Klan is Baptist, it does not mean that all Baptists are violent bigots. So it is that just because 99% of the Taliban/extremists/etc are Muslim, that does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. (2) Islam came to be an organized religion approximately 1400 years ago, what were Christians doing 1400 years after their start ---- Spanish Inquisition, witch hunts, persecution, crusades....see any similarities?

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Muslima in Cleveland — Thu, 24 May 2007 17:23:43 GMT

NOTE TO MR. G: As to your question, "Have any of you read the Quran?", and your claims that Muslims have a duty to kill those that refuse to convert. Well, I HAVE read the Quran sir, and it states: 2:257 "there shall be no compulsion in religion", and 18:30 "it is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.", and 25:58 "whoso CHOOSES may take the way unto the Lord." I suggest that YOU read the Quran Mr G, and stop throwing out baseless accusations until you do.

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DPG LV, NV — Thu, 24 May 2007 19:48:28 GMT

I know it may sound incindiary but.... A half dozen well placed Daisey Cutters in known 'hot' zones would do a lot to end this insanity.... Yes we could look 'bad' for doing it.... However, this relatively small militant faction that has hijacked religion, poisoned the minds of children and used it's own youth as death dealing pawns to terrorize millions of innocents only to promote their 'just cause' must end. It's time to take the kid gloves off and get a little dirty culling the flock.......

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Soonerfan 36, Oklahoma — Thu, 24 May 2007 19:53:31 GMT

I get physically ill everytime I hear someone say that "Islam is a religion of peace." If you believe that then you are an idiot. I have fought in Iraq, I have seen first hand what these "peace loving muslims" do to anyone that does not believe as they do. We left England a long time ago to found this country because we believed that no one should force their religion on us. Any American who sides with Islam should be treated as a traitor. A friend of mine in Iraq was tortured for three days and murdered by having his throat cut. What was his great crime against the nation of Islam and their dog god? He was a civilian engineer trying to get water running to a local hospital. We need to wipe the Islam religion off the face of the earth. Become as our enemy to kill our enemy. If they kill an american we wipe out a whole village. Make the price of terrorism so terrible that their own people will kill them.

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Forrest Woolman — Thu, 24 May 2007 20:00:04 GMT

In the near future, Musharraf and his government will be unseated an replaced by radical Muslims, similar to the Shah of Iran in 1979.

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Ket, Fairfax, VA — Thu, 24 May 2007 20:06:14 GMT

CONCERNED CITIZEN: What does your coworker have to do with this article? Is he a crazy radical who kidnaps women and teaches young people violence? I suspect not or you would have reported him to authorities. Do you not trust the INS to prevent terrororistic personalities from finding permanent residence here? If so, suggest something practical, not blanket paranoia. This country is founded on freedom of thought, it is an integral part of the freedom in which we live. It prevents our own government from becoming tyrannical. If we dispose of it, the terrorists have won. By the way, my parents immigrated from India, and I am a U.S. citizen.

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brian fancher — Thu, 24 May 2007 22:14:20 GMT

talk about stupid. hamas has been setting up and firing rockets at isreal. isreal of course fires back and says stop it. the hamas cries to the world saying isreal fired at our people . HEY STUPIDS! you hit some one and they will hit back. stop making bombs and try growing some food or build a swimming pool or something .creat some jobs. minds like yours are so bent on destruction you let your own people rot for your beleifs, get this .all the gold you can carry with seventy two wives.ha egyptains tried that in temples ages ago. guess where all the gold is ??? your wives ,you hide their faces and beat them and then head for the goats>> what ever ... women of this regeon, stand up in unity. bash these guys in the head while they sleep .in one day you women can reduce them to afraction and "you can rule" change it all with a union of women that will hit all at once .your problems are over . be strong and plan it out . everyone would understand except the clown with a rock on his head . then mabe, he might stop the stupidity that they preach. good luck.

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Mike, WI USA — Fri, 25 May 2007 05:19:41 GMT

Mr. G, U agree with you on this. The only thing I want to add it that Their "profet" was no profet at all! He was a thief that terrorized the trade routes through the area in which he lived and when he came up with the idea of islam well then not only did he rob the traders but he also gave them a choice and that choice was...convert or die! That is the same message that these clerics are sending long with all of the radicals of this religion. I say that the pakistan gov. should raid the place and slay the "infidel" clerics. That is what they would do IF islam were truely a peaceful religion because IF it is really peaceful they are NOT teaching islam. However islam is not peaceful and that is very evident all anyone with eyes has to do is look around this world. ALL terrorists ARE islamic. 9-11, all the attacks on a soverign nation called Isreal and the attacks in England PROVE beyond a doubt that islam is far from a peaceful "religion".

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Iffat Alam Houston Tx. — Fri, 25 May 2007 12:17:40 GMT

Everyone is free to make comments on these articles but there must be some limits.As Mr G in his comment says "Don't you know it is a muslim's duty to convert people to Islam.If they dont convert they mustdie.That is what thier prophet says to do." As far as ,muslims or thier behaviour is concerend you may have your own viewpoint but you should'nt talk about the Books of Almighty God or His prophets in this manner.None of these prophets had ever told thier people to call other people toward God in a forceful manner or if they do not convert{or accept teachings of these prophets} they must die,or killed by theier followers.It is absoloutly a lie towards Prophet Mohummed{pbuh}and his teachings.In fact if he had said so,there must had been a crucial war in everywhere,where there are muslims practicing Islam and none was left behind non-muslim.This article also does not show the true picture of the incident and only focuses on the extreme activities of this group.It is not good.The author should had good knowldge about Islam and its principles before saying,"so-called sins",or," as they refer to be un-islmic government".It sure is true ,the method of this group,asking to impliment Islam, is not suitable and does not match the true teachings of Islam , but it also true people must not call all muslims terrorist and make a call to "wake up" against them. Tolerance is abosolutely necessary.

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mohsin gondal — Fri, 25 May 2007 16:19:16 GMT

Canadian / Pakistani Khalid Awan Facing Unjustice IN USA. , Khalid Q Awan detainee is now facing different preplanned, Fabricated charges in NewYork USA during his jail period,Khalid Awan is now looking forward your special attention and help towards this case for saving his innocent life. As we know, he is innocent and you can do further correspondence with him in detention centre NewYork USA and his attorney Khuram and Maher LLP NewYork to find out the reality and truth, and to bring the reality in front of the world that no innocent face that kind of the situation in future. Khalid Q Awan detainee himself disagree with the charges imposed on him by the FBI, The charges are not related with him by all means. How can be possible a person in jail /custody since 9/11 now become terrorist while he proved not guilty in the same court in the past. So he is looking forward your help to get the justice and Clear and fair investigation in these imposed fabricated charges. It is possible with the involvement of the organizations like your’s, so that the innocent will come back to his normal life This is the mission of the human rights commission that innocents to be protected in all over the world from injustice ,and illegal Custody. As by the press reports and by governments officials, In the court room only FBI representatives and some press reporters were present and no one else was there to see what is going over. http://www.nysun.com/article/37251 Help requested from high officials in Canada, U.S.A, and UNO & also from the NGOS who work for the human rights in all over the world. Once again the request for find out the truth and reality in the above case. With best wishes and regards The sisters and whole family of Khalid Q Awan from Canada and Pakistan The court will announce a decision on 24 may 2007. Dear Sir or Madam I am 46 years old, Canadian citizen and native of Pakistan (Muslim). I was an immigration consultant in Canada and as part of my business , I had an office in New York. During 2001 immediately after the Sept 11, event the US govt arrested me on Oct 25, 2001 on anonymous call, as a material witness for the 9/11 world trade centre terrorist attack. A detail investigation by the FBI and USA Naval intelligence dept was conducted and I was cleared, but even then govt put me in front of Grand jury , and I was cleared and the case was dismissed by the Grand jury of the US Federal Court . Approximately after 2 weeks , before I was released from custody the US Govt imposed a new charges of Fraud and money laundering , under the advice of my attorney , I pleaded guilty and I was sentenced to prison for five years (which was four years more, what I pleaded). In which I had already spent 3 years in Detention jail, during the case , I had about 14 months left to finishing my sentence ,(instead of appealing, I preferred to applied for Treaty Transfer to Canada, because if the case is in the appeal, defendant is not for transfer back to his home country). While at prison, I learned from the case manager Miss Mause, that my citizen was incorrect in the FBOP’s (Federal Bureau of Prison) computer system as Pakistani instead of Canadian. Its important to note , that all of my Canadian identifications (passport , citizenship card , S.I.N , Health card , Driving license etc) were under FBI’s possession, with a great deal of concern, I wrote a letter to the Canadian Consulate in Buffalo, N.Y to notify such mistake and requested them to fix this problem. This is especially important for Treaty Transfer back to Canada. The Canadian Consulate official sent a letter to the jail to correct my citizenship status, however FBOP ignored the request and the citizenship status in the FBOP computer still reflect Pakistani instead of Canadian (Note:- I would be required to obtain visa to visit Pakistan) .In contrast , the deportation letter received from US Immigration dept, Contained the correct citizenship status of Canada. At the hind sight, I believe that the FBOP intentionally left the citizenship as Pakistani, so that they could retained me at their facility, while the govt is planning to file new at their facility, while the govt is planning to file new charges against me 3rd time. Approximately six weeks before my released date on Jan 30 ,2006 I was notified by the FBOP that I was being transferred from Allen wood , PA to MDC (Metropolitan Detention Centre) in Brooklyn N.Y, it was explained to me, that the purpose of this transfer was in preparation for deportation back to Canada, (after few days, I signed the immigration deportation papers, with my consular Miss Chen). But immediately after arriving to MDC Brooklyn, I discovered during a phone call with my family in Montreal, that RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) official had contacted my sister and brother-in-law regarding the whereabouts of my wife and my current situation, there was no explanation given by the RCMP official to the purpose of the call and he left his phone number and asked my wife to call him back immediately, my wife called the RCMP official and left messages in his voice mail. Then the official contacted my brother-in-law again and had asked him to tell my wife not to call again, because there is nothing good nor anything bad. Meanwhile the AUSA (ASH United States Attorney) office Investigator and FBI brought me to their office to be interrogated and FBI brought me to their office to be interrogated without an attorney present, even AUSA told in the court to the judge on March 16, 2006 that he arranged attorney for me, on Transcript; page 11, Transcript page no 14 to 23. AUSA:- He (Khalid Awan) was write in the cause of a grand jury investigation. He clearly had criminal exposure. So to protect his interest I made an application to the duty magistrate for counsel to be appointed. THE COURT:- Initially he was brought here by a Court to testify before the grand jury? AUSA:- That is correct, Your Honour. THE COURT:- When he arrived here, you made arrangements for an attorney to be pointed to request him? AUSA:- Yes, Your Honour. This interrogation started with the AUSA office Investigator stating that my family will be arrested in Canada if I refused to answer their questions. At this point I am certain that my family is in great danger for reasons that I am not aware of. I was scared that my family would be harassed by these people along with the Canadian RCMP official, I strongly believe that the RCMP is doing this intentionally in collaboration with FBI official to further harass me to admit charges, that I never committed. Without knowledge of the reasons why the Canadian RCMP agency was involved. I was surprised that RCMP official directly approached my family instead of me without proper explanation, and its also shocked for me, that how RCMP got the phone number of my family (because before my arrest, I don’t have any single record in any police dept, of any country). I was intimated and pushed to the edge during this interrogation, I was determined to provide anything these USA officials wanted to make them happy even is the questions made no sense, because I want them to stop the harassment to my family. On March 15, 2006 I completed the term of imprisonment and was to be released from American Custody and deported back to Canada. Before that I was arrested again 3rd time charged without providing “material support to a foreign terrorist” and money laundering (to a organization and person, which are not designed by the USA govt). These charges emerged while I was still in prison and without the capability of providing any type of support. It was even difficult for me to get enough financial assistance to pay legal fees. I could not have provided any material support while I was in prison for five years and I could not launder any money because I did not have any. AUSA filed three counts of indictment against me. Conspiracy to provide material support. Provide a material support to the foreign terrorist. Money laundering to support terrorism. (Please note, that in my previous case govt charged me for money laundering and fraud from Jan 1999 to 2002 and “its mentioned in the plea-agreement by the AUSA that no further money laundering charges will be brought against defendant from Jan 1999 to April 2002” even then govt indict me for money laundering from 1998 to Nov 2001 (Which is double Jeopardy and violation of 5th Amendment of U.S Constitution.) In Oct 2006, during pre-trial hearing on the motion’s filed by my attorney the first two counts of my indictment were dismissed by the judge, stating that there is a lack of facts and figures. After two weeks AUSA re-indicted me again. I believe this is a desperate act of the AUSA to cover up a huge embarrassment . Further this hastily drawn indictment was full of factual errors and creative legal theories. Since I was first arrested by the American govt, I believe that I have been signed out, isolated and discriminated against primarily because of my race and religion, in addition to the fact that I don’t know any information that the American govt is trying to pressure out of me. I do not understand the American laws and this is what led to my pleading guilty in the first case. I have difficulty understanding the new charges also. I have been charged under, section 2339(a) of Title 18 of the United States code, which makes it illegal to provide material support to a foreign terrorist. Please understand, I am not a terrorist, I do not know any terrorist and I have had no connections with or to any known or unknown terrorist. I have been incarcerated for last 5 years and I had no money to provide or launder. The law enforcement have in America is pressuring me to provide information to them that I really do not have or know. I am a Canadian Citizen and nearly all of my family is in Canada, including my wife and kids. I don’t know any information to tell them to help their investigation. Because of this , I am being treated unfairly and my rights under the American constitution are being violated. I am being held here in further detention against my will for crimes which I could have never committed, because I was in prison. I believe, that I am a victim of the discrimination that was outlined in the July 3, 2006 issue of Time magazine (Page 29, column 3). In this article section 2339(a) & (b) are discussed and criticized “as most suspects are charged under these two sections. However, the justice dept here in America admits that of the more than 218 guilty pleas that it has obtained, most are for minor investigation issues that are uncovered deeding the course of their terrorism investigation. This suggest, according to the article that the Attorney General’s office have is not concerned about the rights or fairness or the manner in which it achieves convictions for the people they arrest. Furthermore, criticizes have noted that one of the patterns to emerge from these domestic prosecutions is that suspect seen too incompetent to carry out the deeds they are accused of. The Deputy Attorney General acknowledges that the Dept of Justice’s goal is “ preventions through prosecution’s” and this is done with no regard for an individual’s rights. I agree that these guilty of terrorism should be prosecuted . But as the above mentioned article suggest , innocent people should not be targeted because of their race or religion. I am not a terrorist and I should not be targeted and treated unfairly and unjustly. I need your assistance desperately in my case, as I believe that I am being treated unjustly here. I would like to send you my attorney’s contact information and provide you with legal documents related to my case, so that you may become more familiar with my situation. Please also note, that I appeared in the court , for no guilty of my 2nd superseding indictment on Aug 3, 2006 to March 6, 2007 FBOP officials placed me in the SHU (Segregation Housing Unit) out of these months, I placed in the SHU isolation from Jan 2, 2007 to March 6, 2007 for unknown “Pending Investigation” in these 215 days of my segregation and isolation, I don’t have a single phone call access to my family, no legal calls to my attorney and Canadian Council, my legal mail opened in my absence, no medical treatment for my injured shoulder (even I went for hunger strike for 3 and half day) I harassed by the various jail officials and lot of other problems too which already been submitted in the attention of the FBOP higher authorities, but no action taken on them, after writing the court, instead of receiving the response or any action on my complaints, jail officials removed /moved me from MDC federal facility to Nassau County Jail . My suffering has gone on for far too long, and I need your help to bring my suffering to an end. I want to return home to my family . May God bless you and be with you in your efforts to champion the cause of human rights, and the suffering of innocent prisoners and restore hope, faith and love to peoples all over the world. Sincerely, KHALID AWAN FBOP NO. 50959-054

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Yuseff, Kansas City — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:18:24 GMT

Many posters here decry Islam as a violent religion or a scourge. How quickly they forget Christian history with its may crusades, and inquisitions. Muslims ruled much of Western Europe including Spain and parts of France for hundreds of years in peace. This period was referred to as the jewish golden period in that time. As soon as the muslims were vanquished, the Inquisition began where tens of thousands were banished, killed or forced to convert by the threat of death. The Gloriousness christianity was cited by early americans when they slaughtered the indians. Christianity was again cited as a justification of slavery. Eric Rudolph was a very devout christian when he bombed the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park but since since he was christian he was seldom given the terrorist label. Pat Roberts has called for violence more times than I can count. He has called for the assasination of foreign heads of state and even public prayed for CIA headquarters to be nuked, but he's not a terrorist after all, he's a CHRISTIAN. One poster said that unlike christains muslims kill each other. HELLO!!! has anyone here heard of Northern Ireland??? Those good christians over there would rather kill each other than have a cup of tea. They've been doing that for hundreds of years now. Why did the Pilgrims leave Europe to come to america in the 1600s? Because they were being harassed and oppressed by fellow christians. All you good christians out there need to look in the mirror.

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KD, fairfax, va — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:54:03 GMT

Blog editor: Please allow me to respond to "Concerned Citizen". His remarks are inflammatory should be called into question; if not by me, then by somebody. Please post either my or someones reply to him. It is your responsability for printing his words. Concerned Citizen: What does your coworker have to do with this article? Is he a crazy radical who kidnaps women and teaches young people violence? I suspect not or you would have reported him to authorities. Is he to be persecuted because his opinion differs from your's? Freedom of thought, what to speak of freedom of speech, is the cornerstone of the freedom which we hold so dear. If we do away with it the terrorists have won. Now I am not a muslim, but my parents did immigrate from India. And I am a U.S. citizen. Allowing people to speak their mind is the only way we can keep our government from becoming tyrannical. Ask the founding fathers.

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TJB, Scottsdale — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:10:01 GMT

Laughable...They kill, burn buildings, attack anyone who creates an editorial cartoon. But yet, they've brought us the new wave of internet enterainment though publicized beheadings, they tortured and killed countless thousands of innocent men, women and children....and ironically they still can call us Satan ??? In retrospect, has one, just one, Islamic Cleric, here or abroad condemned the barbaric actions of these Islamic extremists? The short answer is no. After brain washing their young men from birth in Madrassas that teach three lessons, Islam, hate and blind faith to the Cleric's, after graduation, they then recruit the most fervent of these poor young bastards to become suicide bombers....What an enriching religious quality they offer, the only obligation they need to complete in order to gain heaven and the bidding of virgins, is to kill as many non-believers, women, children, the elderly as they possiblly can, "Joy to the world!" Addisyionally, recent polling, has shown that 20-25% of muslims in the USA can justify suicide bombing??? Let's start with the fact,wheteher it's politically correct ,or not, with the premise "that not all muslims are terrorists, but, all terrorists are muslim"......

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Juliet — Sat, 26 May 2007 10:43:49 GMT

To Anonymous, Matawan, NJ with reference to your post regarding Shites and sunnies killing each other and that protestants and catholics don't. I have a question. Ever heard of Northern Ireland??

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Jimmy Weasel, Ft Lauderdale, FL — Sat, 26 May 2007 20:56:05 GMT

Hey That's Cat Stevens

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jane doe — Sun, 27 May 2007 01:27:34 GMT

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants, and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world . The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. To them, all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated . They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel , and purge the world of Jews . This is their mantra . (goal) There is also a ci vil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not yet known which side will win -- the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists. If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US , European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. Do you want gas in your car? Do you want heating oil next winter? Do you want the dollar to be worth anything? You had better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins. If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away. A moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge. We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. We can't do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing . . . . . .. . . in Iraq . Not in New York , not in London , or Paris or Berlin , but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things. (1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades Saddam was a terrorist! Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for the deaths of probably more than a 1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000 Iranians . (2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed WW II, the war with the Japanese and German Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before the US joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own a gain . . a 27 year war. WW II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. WW II cost America more than 400,000 soldiers killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action. The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about $160,000,000,000, which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack cost New York. It has also cost about 3,000 American lives, which is roughly equivalent to lives that the Jihad killed (within the United States) in the 9/11 terrorist attack . The cost of not fighting and winning WW II would have been unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by Japanese Imperialism and German Nazism . This is not a 60-Minutes TV show, or a 2-hour movie in which everything comes out okay . The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. It always has been, and probably always will be . The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Ir aq, then we have an ally, like England , in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates to conquer the world. The Iraq War is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. Now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless somebody prevents them from getting them. We have four options: 1 . We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons. 2 . We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran 's p rogress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is). 3 . We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East now; in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America. OR 4 . We can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and possibly most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier. If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today. The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win. Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win . The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them . Remember, perspective is every thing, and America 's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind. The Cold War lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989; forty-two years! Europe sp ent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany ! World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan . World War II resulted in the death of more than 50,000,000 people, maybe more than 100,000,000 people, depending on which estimates you accept. The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq.. The US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944 , the firs t day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In WW II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of the individual battles of WW II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far The stakes are at least as high . . A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms . . or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law) It's difficult to understand why the average American does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis. "Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America , where it's safe. Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran , Syria , Iraq , Sudan , North Korea , in the places that really need peace activism the most? I'll tell you why! They would be killed! The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc . , but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy!

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brian fancher — Sun, 27 May 2007 18:22:45 GMT

isreal should be putting a sett of ears and a tail on it"s rockets to help hamas understand that when you fire at somebody,they will fire back. it is very funny to see them crying to the world after they fire at isreal then isreal fires back. boo hoo hamas . your just a bunch of babies to stupid to know we see cowards who use wives and children to hurt other wives and children. let your clerics carry out this job by themselves,no! they cant do this??clerics are the worst of cowards. i say go ahead and boo hoo , stupids,you get what you deserve. still confused??? we call anyone over here with such ideals "MENTALLY RETARDED"

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Eric S, Lexington, SC — Mon, 28 May 2007 04:11:26 GMT

What would happen if these two idiot brothers got their way? Imagine a Pakistan under the control Islamic fundamentalist and not Gen. Musharraf. If a preceived threat of the potential of WMD's lead to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, what would we do with Pakistan? They have nucelar weapons, I quess that would mean we would have to attack them. If the armed forces are stretched thin right now, what would happen if we wake up tomorrow and the front page news is that , Gen. Musharraf was killed yesterday and Islamic fundamentalist are now in charge in Pakistan. In DC we are freaking out about the possibility of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons which by most accounts they are anywhere from 2 to 10 years away from that. Imagine our response with a Pakistan under the control of religious lunatics like the ones in the article.

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Dave pittsburgh pa — Mon, 28 May 2007 07:37:48 GMT

if they are all in one place take this time to exterminate them and let a higher power deal with them... give them martydom if they so believe in it... time to act is now and when the rest come kill them too. kill or be killed is not ethnic cleansing!!! it is sound policy that was forgotten and has now put the whole world in the state it is in. it is strange that i am catholic and have worked and lived with protestants,jews,muslims,bhuddist,nation of islam members,those that do not believe,wiccans, and some i am sure had beliefs far from my own but yet it seems that in the US beliefs are less forced on others than in the so-called oppressed nations. these clerics seem to refuse to practice what they preach except the intolerance to what they believe... why should they be allowed to oppress others and it is time to start wiping them out and send them the message they say is being enforced now. has anyone thought the 72 virgins promised might just be sheep,goats, or worse yet pigs??? boom boom out go the lights!!!

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Paul Green, U.K. — Tue, 29 May 2007 00:24:54 GMT

Why is it I see messages here stating "they are not extremists" when they have threatened kidnappings and suicide bombings, the girls stormed a childrens library armed with sticks and the boys threatened music and video store owners. Sorry but they lost any and all credability at that point, I hold peaceful Muslims who are true to their faith in the highest regard, I know several who can argue with me about religion and win without threatening to kidnap my family or blow up my local supermarket. Are people really so stupid that in one sentence they can scream "wipe them out, cleanse the nation" and then with the next "do what is to be done get rid of these hijackers of Islam a religon of peace." Religion of peace? yes Islam is a religion of peace, unfortunately it seems a vast majority of morons lack the intelligence to understand it and go around killing people to enforce it.

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Kyle, Greenwood, South Carolina — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:20:32 GMT

For anybody to justify what these two brothers are doing, you are just crazy! They are abusing a religion and using teenagers to do there bidding. If they really believed their "cause" they would be out front fighting the Pakistani military. But they are not! They lie to these kids and send them to the slaughter. This is all about power. They want to control Pakistan. It is as simple as that. The Muslim conquest was about the same thing. They conquered and enslaved millions. They even conquered Spain and Southern France. It wasn't about spreading Islam, it was about power and control and certainly wealth. These guys are not teaching "the root" or ancient Islam, they are twisting the Quran and its versus to say what they want it to say. Call me crazy but there is another "Crusade" on the way. And this new modern Crusade won't just be between Christians and Islam. It will be Islam versus the world. It is hard not to be racist towards muslims when these groups keep popping up and the other muslim groups just stay silent. Other muslim groups claim they are outraged at what is going on, but they do nothing about it.

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Nick Saint Marys,GA — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:17:02 GMT

what i think is that all of you are taking most of this completly out of context. the artical is a good one and it is only stating that because of ones beliefs that things can be taken to a level that shouldn't be, and that the possibilities of another war happening. nowhere does it look down on muslims or anyone race of people. it is stating facts from an interview. so i can see how you all have simple minds and think one sided, so my advise do not get angry if you do not understand the artical in a whole! read it, then think about it, then react. no one has the right to change beliefs of another person.

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Nick Saint Marys,GA — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:18:26 GMT

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Art — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:56:13 GMT

The difference between them and ole RG is that he was the mayor, not some religious nut trying to impose his will on others. Oh wait, that sounds like the evangalicals here in the US...never mind

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Rahim A. al-Kaleem — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:58:56 GMT

I'm an American Muslim, and this is nonsense!
I'd question why people were coming to the Mosque with guns and fire-bombs! - This should not be!

For me, and for now, enough said!

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Keith Milliner, New York, NY — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:17:31 GMT

WOW JANE DOE! WELL SAID, A tremendous piece, this should be read by every politician in the "Free World" and they should sign that they read it, How soon the Left Wing would have us forget how to fight for freedom, that gets in the way of their Stalinist plans just as suicide bombers are eant to dissuade us from keeping our ideals alive and well. My father fought for 8 years in WW11 to give everyone a chance to live free and withour fear and oppression, Mullahs, listen up!Jane Please run for office!

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Keith Milliner, NY NY — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:19:42 GMT

See what happens when your kids dont have MTV?

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Meshal Haroon, Pakistan — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:31:14 GMT

As a Pakistani, I will assure you that these people are radicals. They occupy schools, burning books and CDs. They kidnap women off the streets, holding them hostage. And they threaten to bomb places where women and international workers hold jobs. These are not mainstream Muslims, they are anarchists. Yes, freedom of speech is an inalienable right, unless you begin killing and kidnapping people in the process.

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Mahwish, Rochester, MI — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:30:59 GMT

The situation in Pakistan is horrible but it just links into the same problems happening throughout the Middle East. Poverty and desperation breed terrorism. It happened in Germany with Hitler, and it's still happening in Africa and the Middle East! It's not Islam that's causing all this hatred and terrorism... it's ignorance and a lack of education; it's poverty and desperation. Do all of you know that there's no public education system in place in Pakistan? Only the rich (about 5% of the population) can afford to send their children to private schools. What's a poor child sitting in a mud-hut classroom supposed to think when their only source of information is a misguided extremist teacher? What kind of horrible mindset is required for a child to view suicide in the name of his religion as a better future that he can possible hope to have otherwise? On the other hand, I do recognize that there are people who are just plain evil and they need to be delt with accordingly, but these types of people are found in every racial, political, and religious group.
I'm an American Muslim and I totally do not consider myself a terrorist. My religion is peaceful as am I. I have really great Jewish, Hindu, Christian, and Muslim friends. My favorite professor in college is Atheist. Luckily, my family back in Pakistan happens to be fortunate enough to be in the 5% of the population that can afford to become educated and they hold no hatred for anyone either. It's not Islam that causes terrorism; it's hunger, despair, and poverty. For all of you who feel that Islam is at fault and that all Muslims are terrorists, or all terrorists are Muslim or whatever racist bullshit, please get to know some Muslims who actually represent the majority of us. I really think you'll find that we're a pretty friendly lot.
I also sincerely hope that Pres. Musarraf, or the US and the west, will be able to help the situation and contain the threat. As much as I feel for all those in impossibly difficult situations around the world, I certainly don't want to be bombed here in the US either.

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Manuel, Tucson, Az — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:52:39 GMT

our society is incredible, these radicals must be laughing under their breath! When we accept that these people are hellbent on destroying free society, suspend their civil rights where they threaten us and eliminate them, that is when we will be safer. My wise father who has now passed, a dedicated WWII veteran, who spent time in the South Pacific figured it out almost 70 years ago when he told me as a young boy that the radical Muslims he encountered in the Philippines were all twisted and dangerous. He saw this almost 3/4 of a century ago. Why does anyone think it has changed or will change when it hasnt in thousands of years. To the non-radical Muslims, sorry all of you are suspect, but look at the world, look at those you call brothers, look at the shadow that has been cast. I do not want to live in a world of fear and terrorism and choose not to. I pray to my God (never mind which one) and that God could be the Christian one, the sun the moon, or whatever, but he is a God of good that does not move me to the edge of being an idiot and bring damage to people. Lets all finally learn that these strange beings of radicalism want to live in a world thousands of years old, let them, give them a country and let them practice their sense of lunacy, let them live in the dirt and ancient manner they profess and let society move on. these people are total fools who honestly believe they are protected by rights they deny to others. I say push them out on site, let THEM prove they are moderate, dont leave it up to us. No account idiots!

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Larry — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:04:05 GMT

Khalid, Im hoping you rot in jail. When you brought your brand of hate and twisted philosophy to a world that made every attempt to allow you to succeed and be someone, you forfeited your rights to live among society, a free society. Good Luck to you and I hope you never taste the very freedom you want to remove from people's lives or the freedom that you have denied many.
you are in a far better place, getting shelter and recieving square meals daily. Hope you listen to all those twisted minds all around you who have murdered, cheated and become thieves, hope you can see them convert to a radical religion that you practice, Im sure you will call them brother and hopefully each of you have no one to console except your very tired, crying lonely selves.

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david — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:29:02 GMT

Personally I am sick and tired of the non-muslim world sitting back on the defensive and letting these intolerant animals control our actions.The only "positive news " is when one of these terrorists attacks is thwarted or is unsuccessful like the recent events in london and Glascow.
Instead of constantly being on the defensive,we should have a clearly announced policy that any act of terrorism or attempted act of terrorism will be met by the elimination of Madrassas in the country or countires from which the terrorists were trained or supported.Make no mistake that the cause and benefactors of terrorist attacks are the mullahs and imams throughout the world who are building their political power by spreadinbg their gospel of Jihad.Lets ascertain how courageous and willing to die for Allah these perpetrators of hate are when they are singled out for elimination and when they have to fear for their safety.A fatwa from a cleric recently sanctioned th ekilling of 10 million non-believers.Of course the peace loving Muslim world was silent to this outrage,not having the strength to raise their voices in protest after having spent so much time objecting to the cartoon of mohammed.Special forces should seize this cleric and after being publicly pissed upon he should be beheaded in front of the world.
ISRAEL takes no crap from the leaders of HAMAS and assassinates them to the point that they beg for a cease fire.The mullahs and madrassas need to pay a heavy price for what they preach.So far they have not been paying it.
FURTHERMORE ,if the terror doesnt stop,we should prevent any MUSLIM from making the Haj to mecca.If Muslims wont stand up to their own,then preventing them from practicing their religion should eventually inspire some islamic leader to rise up and denounce the fundamentalists for bringing their religion into disrepute.

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James B Dickinson — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:35:02 GMT

Mohammed was a robber, and an Idolator,who had rejected christianity. He was either an demonaic, or an epilectic, as he fell into trance-like peroids of time. He destroyed the other gods of the people he conquered, and forced them to reconize only allah, the moon god,(his symbol being the cresent moon.) As he grew in numbers, they turned to robbing the great caravans of christians and Jews. After Mohammed died the infighting started and has continued to this present day. If they not done that the civilized world would have had a harder time defeating them. By his rejecting of Christianity, Mohammed and his followers have wasted their whole exsistance, chasing a myth, alittle peice of stone that he called Allah. Now if you are a Muslim, you most likely disagree with what I say, most of what I have said is recorded history, the rest is common sense. We both know and accept that Jesus was the Christ, only you limit Him to being just a Prophet, To the Christian He is The Prophet, The Only Begotten of the Father. God had already spoken these words "this is My Beloved Son, Hear Ye Him" why then would God send another 600 years later? The truth is He didn't, and like all imposters, he must give an account of his deeds.

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jason christopher falls — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:59:02 GMT

RE: JANE DOE MAY 26; Nary a breath of reality here dear lady. Where do you get your facts from? If you don't know anything about Islam or any of it's sects, why do you have to go on about it like you had a PhD in the subject? What a bunch of pathetic brainwashed idiots happened to grace this blog...seems to me like civilization is just a word we throw around...we're just a freak species that never should have evolved...we belong neither to nature nor to God.

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John Doe — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:18:16 GMT

What does the US do to soldiers who deffect?

oh right, maximum punishment -> death.

sick bastards.

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MONA, ELMHURST, NY — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:25:20 GMT

WHAT ABOUT AMERICAN SOLDIERS RAPING IRAQI WOMEN?
what about bosnia? muslims and ethnis gemocide.
what about kashmir? Hindus raping muslim women there too.
WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS THERE?
ISLAM WILL WIN AT THE END. MARK MY WORDS!

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memoona, corona, NY — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:24:31 GMT

Don't forget that millions of muslim women were raped and the muslim men killed by Sikhs and hindus during the partition of India and Pakistan. Many people were uprooted from their homes and slaughtered and the homes burned. Pakistan was created for Freedom from the oppression and discrimination that muslims faced in India and still face today.

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Da'oud Nkrumah, Las Vegas, Nevada — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:50:11 GMT

I like how the Pakistani Government is identified as Constitutional. According to many After seizing power in a military coup in 1999, General Musharraf declared himself President, summarily dismissed the legislature and all non-pliant judges, and arbitrarily banned Nawaz Sharif (leader of the PML-N) and Benazir Bhutto (leader of the PPP) from running in elections. He also extended his term by five years, and also modified the constitution and constituted a new governing body - the "National Security Council" in which the military would hold the balance of power. He also arrogated to himself the right to dismiss any new Government at will.

Women's rights activists complained bitterly of how in a nation where less than half the population is literate, and where women are routinely prevented from going to school in some areas, the mandatory requirement that candidates have a university degree was an especially onerous requirement. This decree effectively barred 90 per cent of the country's largely illiterate population from running.

Critics also pointed to a lack of impartiality shown by the Election Commission and a failure to curb the widespread misuse of state funds by pro-military (and pro-US) parties. There was limited time allotted for electioneering, and election rallies by anti-Musharraf parties were frequently banned or disrupted. The state owned media blatantly promoted the views of the military government view, and some opposition party activists were even gunned down.

Constitutional government?

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Carlos — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:12:18 GMT

No second chances for these people, if they are let go they will rise and establish Taliban rule again. Wasn't the Talibans who started the whole terror war to begin with? They are dangerous people, their minds are poisoned with radicalism and they would not think twice in executing anybody not conforming to their creed. Where are the feminists, where is Gloria Steinem, where are all the human rights advocates to speak and defend those women dressed in black burkhas? All those human rights pushers should be in Pakistan and all Muslim countries defending the rights of women and not here in the U.S where things are not as bad.

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Dan Hilburn, Wichita, Kansas — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:17:03 GMT

I am continually amazed by these cross-dressing muslims. Morality in Islam seems to depend upon the situation. It appears allah is neither just, loving or holy.

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oreal — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:49:49 GMT

The holy prophets according to some religious texts (Torah, Gospels & Quran) were slaves of God. They didn't kill innocent people but invited persons to live pieous lives as they did. Osama bin Ladin, President George Bush and persons like them are imbued with such arrogance and mega-manaical thinking that their means justify their goals. Whether such persons are atheist or secularize they would try to advance their agendas at any cost. It ain't the religions but our human conditions.

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Mary Khalil — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:41:28 GMT

To Jenny

How can you say to dislike islam is racism. Islam is not a race its a choice

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Joseph — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:09:13 GMT

Fanatics, whether they are religious, Marxist, Nazi, or of some other stripe don't do "moderation." They crave power and will ruthlessly pursue it. Whether the theater of their conflict is in a democratic setting or a street fight, they - because of their single-minded determination and 100% certainty of their moral beliefs - have very good chances of prevailing over more moderately minded opponents. They have no patience with, in fact they laugh at, lectures from democrats (please note the small "d") about how, in a democracy, we should all just be civil, accept each other's view point and disagree agreeably.

Much of the Islamic world could be coming into the grips of a revolution, pitting radical Jihadists against "moderates". The former crave power, most people in the latter group don't. The challenge for moderates (be they Muslims or Christians) who'd really like to live quiet, peaceful lives without dominating anybody, is how to confront ruthless bastards who crave tools of state (including - in Pakistan's case - nuclear weapons) that will improve their ability to dominate others.

The events in Pakistan could have very serious international implications.

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S. Aminy, Alameda, CA — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:51:07 GMT

The Taliban were Pakistan's creation, not Aghanistan's. Pakistan's neighbors have long voiced concern regarding the training and deployment of terrorists in and from Pakistan to create political unrest in neighboring regions. However, as Americans we continue to support Pakistan, disregarding the fact that it is in Pakistan that some of the most wanted Al Quaeda terrorists have been found; not in Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan.

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akbar — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:01:59 GMT

Islam will dominate the world, west has lost its morality.

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Muhammad Adnan , Sialkot ,Pakistan — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:11:28 GMT

Hy to all readers and members !
i m a software engineer . i have read the articles there so i want to share my ideas too and want to clerify somethings with u . everyone talks about islam that islam is ...........islam is ......... and bla bla bla .
my question is this that when someone tease u , hurts u then what u will do ? u will do nothing ? or u will give a negative response to him ? negative response means that u will argue to do battle with ur rights ?

See carefully all over the world , what is happening with MUSLIMS . they also want to live with peace but Americans dont want to give them (peace). Iraq , afghanistaan , iran , pakistan , libea , falasteen etc

are under the Americans by saying that Muslims are terrorists so thats y they are controlling them .

but let me know that if someone talk or fight for his rights that it is called terrorists ?

islam preserves the Women ,, why ? because islam gives the importance to the women .. if someone has Diamond then where he will store this ? in a deep cupboard or in his jeen's pocket , abviously he will keep in deep cupboard so no one can stole it .. this is women in the eyes of islam .

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Efaz — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:23:19 GMT

I'm really happy what Pakistani government did against these Mulahas. They should have done it many months ago.

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Commander Hawk-eye, New York — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:58:58 GMT

The answer to Ms. Grisanti's question, "How can the government fail to act against a minority of extremist mullahs who do not accept the "writ of state" and are flouting the constitutional laws of Pakistan because they have deemed those laws to be un-Islamic ?" is simple. Pakistan's government, which is not in fact based in Islamabad but emanates from the military-security services complex situated in nearby Rawalpindi, in fact enjoys excellent relations with a variety of Islamic extremists, and has used them to further its domestic and foreign policies for half a century. The fostering of violent religious sentiment as a means of blocking the development of the rule of law, social change, and economic empowerment among the country's impoverished and largely illiterate masses has been Rawalpindi's modus operandi at least since the time of the military dictator Gen. Ayub Khan in the 1950's and 1960's, and such extremism has also been projected abroad via Pakistan's aggressions in Afghanistan and Kashmir since the 1980's. For an excellent overview of this phenomenon, as well as a solution for dealing with this rogue state, see Vanni Cappelli's essay "Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia" in the Winter 2007 issue of "Orbis", the quarterly of the Foreign Policy Research Institute of Philadelphia. It is available online at

www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli.containingpakistan.pdf

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F J Rubin Dearborn Mi — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:01:44 GMT

I think most people in this thread have forgoten the main goal of these Islamic terrorists is to take the world back 200 years when only a privledged few had power. back to a time when women could be beatin by their husbands with a stick no bigger than your thumb.(RULE OF THUMB) I live in the Detroit area that has the largest Muslum population out side of the middle east. From my expirience They look down their noses at western culture while at the same time enjoying all of the things that they say they are apposed to.(strip clubs, drugs, prostitution) it is all about power and they want it all for them self (do as I say not as I do)

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Papa, Houston Texas — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:54:46 GMT

Islam is an ideology not a religion. It is ideologies that propagate hate...towards women and against others. The false prophet mohamed was a womaniser, its a known fact, how would you follow a womaniser? Look at Somalia and the Taliban...that is Islam at its best. Infact the best example of true Islam is The Taliban...Islam practised as advocated in the funny book the Koran .

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Papa, Houston Texas — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:57:53 GMT

the best example of true Islam is the Taliban and Somalia. Islam teaches segregation. Muslims hate it when other religious people date their females yet their foolish men want to marry and prosylyte others. what a foolish way of living. Islam will die natural death as the latin language died.

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Mary — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:10:21 GMT

Omar
thank you at least you admit that thats what the quran says what they are doing so see Omar states thats what the quran says so whose right the muslims who say thats not part of islam or Omar who says it is fot the religion of no contradictions you see even muslims contradict each other Thanxs Omar you validated to me islam is contradictory

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Mary K — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:17:40 GMT

Adam
Just a note jesus never said kill dont judge a religion by its people but by its words Islam endorses violence and if you dont beleive then your not a muslim I dont have enough to say on this subject except islam is a cancer of the world it will
take Jesus to wipe it out

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George Patton Jr. — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:39:52 GMT

I just cannot believe all you stupid (people) who are allowing yourselves to be bull+++++++ by the Muslim clerics into believing their caveman way of life is correct...these are the same idiots who at one time in history thought there were several(Gods)...This nonsense has got to stop...or WE WILL BE FORCED TO STOP IT OURSELVES!!!just as we did with those other Nazi Nuts. Think about it Islam is no different!!!

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Richard Nicks — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:43:34 GMT

Saddam Hussien was the one man who held all the countries in the middle east in check. And that stupid president of ours did away with him. Bush was too stupid to see it. Now it is a free for all in the middle east. Let this be a lesson the next time Israel wants the U.S. to go to war for them. And don't be misled. This war Was for Israel.

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Richard Nicks — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:51:13 GMT

All, and I mean absolutely All, Muslims in the United States should be asked politely to leave the United States. Whoosh, in an instant, that would be the end of terrorist's in this country. No Muslims, No terrorist's. Simple. We cannot weed out who is and who is'nt a terrorist, so they all must go. Period.

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Richard Nicks — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:52:08 GMT

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Joe Mensez, Miami, FL — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:01:20 GMT

These people are giving Muslims a bad name. They use democracy as a tool and then plan to destroy it to fulfill their sick view Islam. The American Christians are doing the same. I am sick of religion!

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Philip Denver, CO — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:25:00 GMT

Why is it Americans are always confused when it comes to these extremist Islamic fundamentalist. These idea's should be rejected with one voice instead we like to appease them or don't want to hurt their feelings. Wake up these people will kill anybody to bring their point across. There is nothing called moderate Muslims, there is only passive and active Muslims. Passive Muslims are just born into the religion and purticularly don't care about it. Active Muslims do care about the religion and when push comes to shove they will side with these extremists. Believe me, I have lots of friends who are Muslims and they don't come from any of these Islamic countries either, they are very normal people. Even for these people it is Islam vs the world, they always side on the Islam. These regular logical people throw their logic out of the window when it comes to Islam. So stop pandering to these people and stop making excuses for these extremists.

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Pierrel Labulay — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:58:52 GMT

These are terrorists. Nothing more and nothing less. The Pakistani government needs to deal with them severely and send a message to the world that murderers who use women and children as shields will not be tolerated in a civilized society. I applaud Pakistan.

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Syed Raza, Charleston, West Virginia — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:39:25 GMT

These two stupid brothers are becoming pain in the rear. We in Pakistan are wondering when the govt. will make these extremists understand that law is law do not take the law in your own hands.

For those who defend them, I want to say that this is NOT about Islam! period. I am a muslim myself but I do not have movies ...(Pakistanis love american movies) So their demands are totally un-acceptable.

As far as the demolished mosques are concerned, well they were built on a land which was not their anyway. So the comon sense is that it is not right in any religion to build a church, mosque or whatever on a land which is not your on the first place!

I feel like Pakistani Govt. needs to grow some balls and tell them who's their daddy. When I visited Pakistan last year, I was happy to learn that the Pakistani Govt. is in negotiations with Israel to befriend. BUT! people like these narrow minded brain wash other people that it is wrong and Jews are some kind of aliens..

I hope everything ends fine and I feel sorry for Pakistanis. And also for those people who say the "strict Islamic law" should be enforce, well let me make it clear, if EVER they will force the strict Islamic law in Pakistan, it will become next Afganistan.

Plus there is no force or pressure in true Islam. So if somebody wants to watch movies, drink or go to strip club, it is strictly their business, and if you want to follow your own values then the right jihad is to keep "yourself" away from things you dont like and not telling others what to do.

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JG, NY, NY — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:17:28 GMT

One thing that I do not understand is the views that are expressed by some of the people on this blog.
hatred & empathy seem to be the prevalent tones here.
How many of the people that sit down and write an opinion actually know more than what they read in this particular story?
Until recently I lived in Islamabad and the surrounding areas for almost 5 years.
I am not Muslim.
I do not hate Muslim's.
I do disagree with alot of the things that happen in Pakistan and when those things are bolstered by saying things like "these actions are forbidden according to the Koran".
Honor killings, rapes, mutilations and numerous other atrocities are committed in Pakistan (as well as other countries where Islam is the predominant religion) are a daily event and it all falls in tthe realm of "being justified by the Koran".

I have had this same conversation many times with individuals who claimed to be "Men of GOD" yet they could not read the word of GOD that they were so passionate about protecting.
Not all of the mosques in Pakistan are preaching hate & discontent however the red mosque has always been a violent mosque in Islamabad.
The Mosque is situated in onr of the poorest sections of Islamabad which is inhabited by working class Pakistani's surrounded by the housing of foreign diplomats.
It is not hard to see how a young man or woman could be drawn into a movement that gives them a small glimmer of hope if the current situation does not offer them anything for the future.

The problem (in my opinion)is that until the people of these countries are allowed by thier governments & religious leaders to obtain an education one can not expect anything to change. As an uneducated populace is easier to control either by fear or religion & in some cases fear of religion.

So instead of spreading hate towards one group of people simply because of a belief is not going to achieve anything other than more violence.
Maybe it is time for the rest of the Muslim world to stand up and let the world know that the "radicals" do not represent what the majority of the Muslim people believe.

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HH Tamarac,FL — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:08:34 GMT

To all the muslims who are defending the Quran you are right but put your selves in our shoes when all we hear is about all these radicals using the Quran as a reason to kill innocent people.

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Ockham R., Edmonton, Alberta — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:23:20 GMT

Religious Freedom may only be found within a Secular State - where the State is not the enforcer of religious belief, but rather the enabler of the right to hold a religious belief. Necessarily where religious beliefs become compelled to usurp the authority of the State – The State must act, by whatever means required, to ensure that it is the State that enforces its Secular laws and not allow a religion to enforce its Theocratic Law. Unfortunately, Pakistan is mid-way between the two positions of a Secular State and a Theocracy – where each day, highly dependent upon the circumstances, the Government of Pakistan alternately behaves with Secular Reason and next with Theocratic Dogma. Pakistan can not be both – and needs to determine if it is an Islamic Republic complete with Shira Law where the rule of law is based upon tradition and dogma, or a modern Secular State with Laws based upon Logic and Reason. So long as Pakistan remains in this transition, incidents such as the Red Mosque are inevitable.

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Jaan Amad, New York city, New York — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:10:41 GMT

I don't think this article is hateful, infact this article is very very fair. I being a religious muslim have to appreciate the author "Carol Grisanti". Who clearly pointed out the demands and the point of view of Maulana Ghazi. In this article the author openly described and told the world that Maulana is not against women driving cuz he allows his own wife to drive, the Maulana says ask media to bring the witnesses and the evidence to prove their propaganda that acid was splashed over those women who do not cover their faces. Just request to everybody to read the article few more times and if there is any language problem try to acquire a translator. This article is very clearly written in simple English. I applaude the author for being very fair and bringing the point of view of the "Maulana" and showed the world that media is spreading propaganda only. Thanks Ms. Carol Grisanti.

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Eric,NY — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:13:50 GMT

And for those who clearly mark a distinction between a dangerous ideology and one respecting all others, more bullets please!

To hide from naked truth or blindfold ones intelligence is as deadly as outright alliances with those who would kill rather than respect choices. You who cry foul at the purging of those who hide and make small talk while sharpening the blade they will cut your throat with should rethink your liberalism as it is actually treason.

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RayTemecula, CA — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:40:24 GMT

Foiji Dhaka, Bangaladesh, Thousands of raped women??? World War II I believe was in response to German and Japanese aggression. Duh! Get a clue Dude. Free your mind and the butt will follow. Stop blaming the evils of the world on Americans and especially the Jews. I have been on the ground in the war on terror and I cannot name another country in the world that has done so much to limit innocent casualties, that it has actually put my men and I in danger and is a hinderance to our mission. No, the Iraqis and the Afghans do a pretty good job of maiming and killing each other themselves. Jay Johar- The government doesn't have to fabricate a thing. The Muslims are doing a pretty good job all by themselves. If anything, our left loving media has not portrayed the threat as dangerous as it really is. Get hard America! The time for action is here and here now!