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basil rahming, Freeport, Grand Bahama, Bahamas — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:57:56 GMT

Have there been any deaths as a result of the snow and unusually cold weather you're having over there?

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LeeAnn, Missouri USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:03:00 GMT

Seems the Brit's have lost their stiff upper lip. Sad that a little snow (very little) and temps. just barely below freezing is enough to slow life and commerce down. Buck-up!

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wildfox — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:15:41 GMT

Hahaha! Go ahead and do your knitting. The result (gloves) might come in handy.
I wish we could tell the world to be always prepared when nature strikes, but we couldn't.
Hope em Brits will go out start plowin.:)

TAke care!

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Jim Fowler, Bath, Avon & NE Somerset, UK — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:20:09 GMT

Get real Mr Hampson, try to be serious! You are well aware that we English are hampered so much through being ruled by Scottish politicians and the EC. You know we have the demands of the Welsh for equal stus of their language with all its ramifications doing our heads in and then there are the foreign owned companys bring in workers to work in the UK to the detriment of the Brit's prospects. So Mr Hampson, as a man who I used to know said, more snow, more rest!

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alam, chicago, il — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:23:03 GMT

Folks come to chicago and see how we do it here.No matter how many inches fell we are never crippled...Kuods to Mayor Daley...

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Judy Ruggles — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:34:02 GMT

Cute, have a cuppa and relax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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He's not my (pro-abortion) president! — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:42:26 GMT

Aaah..."Global Warming"! (?) - NOT!

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Sarah Whittaker, Surrey, England — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:53:20 GMT

We are so unprepared that when the schools have to close for a snow day-we don't even have to make that day up another time!!

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Sandinmyshoes, Sarasota, FL — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:03:20 GMT

Enjoy the beautiful landscape and hope that greenhouse effect doesn't send us into another ice age, because most of the world won't be ready if it does! I'm from Indiana and remeber the blizzard of '77, it brought things to a halt for a few days and took almost a week to get back to normal, but is was beautiful. We sled down a snowdrift from the roof of the barn...it was a blast!

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E. Brown, Midlothian, VA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:13:56 GMT

We have not seen snow in years in Richmond, VA. I would like one day of it.

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Stardust Chester VT — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:14:28 GMT

Wow-you've got to be kidding...we just got 13" and although a pain for sure we are totally accustomed to this. That would be a small storm for VT/NE. We get a storm ea yr that is predicted 'in feet not inches'...lots of luck

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Chris Anderson — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:25:25 GMT

I Feel I can safely speak for all New Englanders when I say we all get a bit of a laugh over such a tiny amount of snow shutting down one of the worlds greatest Cities....Our Friends in London should take a tip from another great city, New York, and install plow rigs on there trash trucks. A clever low cost snow removal solution.
Enjoy your Snow Day! Cheers.

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Correne, Chicago, IL — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:27:32 GMT

Keep a stiff upper lip Brits. We here in Chicago sure know how to handle the snow. 4 inches is nothing to us. We have had our share of snow this winter and we are expecting a lot of snow Tuesday, 2/3/09.

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Redned, Midlothian, Va — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:36:10 GMT

Forgive me, but the lack of snow plows should not be cause for the loss of job productivity in London for four inches of snow. As one who grew up in the New Jersey-New York City metro area and has moved south to Virginia, I recognize much of weather coping is psychological. Get out. Walk in it. Drive in it. It will turn into slush. As a city and a people during the 1930s and 40s you survived German bombs and probably colder weather on a regular basis. Employ the generational memory of your grandparents and great-grandparents and refuse to be intimidated. And while you are at it, enjoy it. Snow is a cleansing and joyful event.

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Edna Wagner, Winfield, IL — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:38:34 GMT

Looks like it's snowing in London!! Kind of funny!!

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J.M. Messner — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:52:41 GMT

Yeb, this is caused by globel warming!

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Mike Will, Charlotte, NC, USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:55:16 GMT

You weathered the Blitz, but you can't deal with 4" of snow! We will send some New Yorkers' over there (sic)they can show you how to drive in the snow!

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Jack Ramsden, Montana, USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:02:05 GMT

Don't you think it would be a good idea, especially now with the state of the economy is in to do what they used to do years ago in my city which was Bradford Yorkshire, to put the people that where claiming benefits ie social security/dole. On the streets in the cities and towns snow shoveling, and let them earn their dole. In those days NO SHOVELING NO DOLE !.

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Johna — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:10:01 GMT

Al Gore (and his partners in fraud) will have a “scientific” explanation on how this is due to "GLOBAL WARMING CAUSED BY CO2 EMISSIONS". They will then demand we quickly enact CAP IN TRADE so he and his collaborators in the UN can enrich themselves.
When will the media expose Al Gore and the pseudo scientists promoting this fraud? Thousands of climate scientists have shown this to be a fraud and signed petitions stating so.
Why do the mainstream media ignore this and promote only Al Gore and the “UN sponsored Scientists” propaganda?

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Andrea, Hackensack, NJ — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:17:44 GMT

There are few things that are harder to grasp empathetically than the impact of whatever your own "standard" weather is, on people who live in a climate zone that rarely experiences it. This is seen frequently within the US, with our radically different weather zones--New Yorkers sneering at Floridians who consider 45 degrees cold, Minnesota folk looking blankly at New Yorkers who consider 4" a lot of snow, etc. This article is very well written to help bring the impact home to some of us thicker-headed sorts; the comments about not needing a snowplow in London for a decade, for example. Good job on a difficult communications task!

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sherry hayward, big lake, alaska, USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:20:12 GMT

Global warming at it's worse. LOL Welcome to my world. Where snow plows reign and the snow flies from October to April. If you want you can borrow one of our 3 snow shovels.

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Linda Milligan McMinnville, Oregon — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:24:28 GMT

This is just the way it was in Mcminnville, Oregon when we got our 23" there were no snow plows, just sanding crews. Ha! like that did any good. So we all hunkered down and relaxed for a week or so.

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Amy Brainerd, MN — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:46:54 GMT

Good Luck in England!!! It has was -17 when I woke up this morning! We've had below zero temps and records set up here in MN. I guess I thought England had balmy temps. but got snow. What about all those movies you see on t.v. from Charles Dickens stories? I wouldn't mind 20 degrees and only 4 inches!!!

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TexasBrownBear, Canyon Lake, TX — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:47:08 GMT

Anytime weather does a new dance that the people are not used to, trouble and confusion follow. I do hope that most people will be able to withstand the bad weather. Fifty years ago, my husband did not get paid if he was ill -- he received a once a year check for x-number of days of sick leave. It was devastating to our budget when he was sick for even one day and the paycheck was a short one. I can imigine that many people in England will not receive pay for the weather related days that they miss work. It will cause hardship to many families. I pray for all of the people in England and worldwide that suffer because of the weather. I pray that not one old person will fall on the ice/snow and break a hip or suffer some other injury. I pray that "all" will be safe, but sadly, I am a believer in Murphy's Law.

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WYOMINGITE — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:52:35 GMT

YOU ALL JUST AUGHT TO COME VISIT WYOMING FOR A YEAR AND LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL - 100 DEGREES IN THE SUMMER -30S IN THE WINTER 70 MPH WINDS GUSTS WITH 50 MPH WINDS FLOODING IN THE SPRINGS DROUGHT IN THE SUMMER AND ANYWHERE FROM NO SNOW ONE WEEK WITH 50 DEGREE TEMPS ONE DAY AND 4' OF SNOW THE NEXT DAY AT -30 DEGREES WITH A 35 MPH WIND (THATS A BREEZE TO US)

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WYOMINGITE — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:53:40 GMT

OH YEAH - AND WE STILL MAKE IT TO WORK BE IT IN THE CITY OR IN THE FIELDS.

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Karlos, Sunny Kansas — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:59:50 GMT

To all you snorting, "Global warming? Ha!", the cooling of Europe is an effect of global warming. The Gulf Stream is what keeps Northern Europe temperate. Global warming diminishes the flow of the warm Gulf Stream. Do a little research on your own to find out more.

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Anna Manitoba Canada — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:00:47 GMT

Relax and enjoy as it will be gone soon enough. I'm from Canada and we only start to get wary when we get 25 - 30 cm. along with the frigid temps that seem to follow. 2 months back, we hit -50 celsius. Now that's cold. Stay warm all.

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Tammy James, Norman, Oklahoma — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:03:16 GMT

London is one of my favorite cities... made even more beautiful by the snow. Other than the money factor, it's a wonderful time to cosy up and enjoy the once in a decade happening! Snow can be fresh and quiet and fabulous (IF you're warm and well-fed!)We just had an ice storm that left a treacherous wonderland.There is simply NO way to drive on ice.And yet people don't stay home.Death wishes?

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george garratt london ontario — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:06:27 GMT

enjoy the time off and sit back and have a cup of tea, and pray for spring to arrive soon we here in canada have another 3 months of winter. by next week you should have springtime.

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Brian, Seattle, WA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:12:52 GMT

The commentators who think that one mild snowstorm in London is evidence refuting "global warming" might want to read a good book on the fundamentals of science -- or even just statistics. The world has been warming overall (i.e. average worldwide temperatures) in recent years; this is a statistically verifyable fact. You can argue the reason for that if you must, but the current consensus of reputable scientists is that this warming is the byproduct of human activities.

Many here might also find it interesting to look at a map. London is further north than all of the "lower 48" U.S. states, and most of Canada's major cities as well. So why does London (and most of Western Europe) have much warmer winters than you might expect given its latitude? Europe benefits from a warm ocean current that brings warmth North (and East) across the Atlantic. Should the current "global warming" problem morph into a "global climate change" that upsets the current global weather patterns and this warm ocean current, Western Europe could quickly turn into an icebox in winter. This might also explain why Europeans are in general more concerned about global warming than U.S. folks. Or maybe they're just better educated about the issue.

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artie cardillo denver,co. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:19:47 GMT

i think it very civilized of the brits to just shut down,and stay home.frankly i hate the white stuff.its dog poo without the stink.

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lee lineker croydon surrey — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:20:46 GMT

this is not the worst snow for 18 yers iv been with my wife for 18 years and i dont remeber any snow in that amount of years 22 years as i recall a little bit of snow and this country comes to a holt

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Joe F., Beaufort SC — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:22:58 GMT

Heck of a way to run a global warming, huh?

Its been colder than normal across the entire northern hemisphere. Lets assume the Earth is a pot of water and global warming is the burner on the stove. We then put the water on the pot and turn on the burner. Under the global warming argument, as we turn up the heat, the water in the pot freezes.

Does anyone but me see a problem here?

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Deb, Southeastern Montco, PA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:23:52 GMT

I love when folks sneer at global warming when it snows or gets cold. People! Climate change (global warming - call it whatever) doesn't JUST mean that it gets warmer all the time, it means that we get snow where we usually don't and hotter weather than before. Here in PA (above Philly), we've been getting ice; the warmer air aloft produces rain which then freezes upon hitting the colder ground. We USED to get more snow.

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Rick Brown — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:23:52 GMT

Before you all get too superior about how we British can't cope with difficult driving conditions just come here and and watch how Dallas-ites cope with driving on just a quarter-inch of ice. Armageddon! England has extreme weather only every other blue moon and we cannot legislate economically against that but you can bet your boots that outside London stiff-upper-lip, can-do, Blitz-style fortitude is well in evidence. Equally, I'm sure that up in (say) New Hampshire a quarter-inch of ice wouldn't be regarded as any excuse to hunker down. London is not the whole of England any more than is Dallas the whole of the United States.

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Dalila Smith — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:24:56 GMT

It's 78 degrees and the sun is shining in Yuma Arizona. Great for now. Ask me how I'm doing in August when the temps hit 120 with 90 percent humidity.
Don't feel bad. We don't know how to act when we get more than an inch of rain.
(You can bundle up to stay warm... There's only so much unbundling you can do.)

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Peter, London, UK — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:26:57 GMT

I've no idea what relevance Jim Fowler of Bath's comments have to the weather in the UK. Has he confused your site with the BNP's ?

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Pam Michaud, Flagstaff, AZ — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:29:42 GMT

I'm surprized to learn that London doesn't get snow!
I really thought it was far enough north for that.
We've had a dry year so far, only 5 feet in two weeks before Christmas and sprinkles of rain since.
It is a combination of the Earth doing it's own changes and the Mess of Mankind hastening and worsening it. Usually, we have had several 3ft storms by now. Nothing to worry about--it just makes sense to recycle.

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orr-cooper — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:33:16 GMT

It is a different kind of snow. Accordingly my wife has demolished our gatepost......

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mrs mac, Golconda,Il. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:35:42 GMT

My granddaughters from Throp Surrey werea wishing for snow when we told them about the ice and snow storm in Illinois, Kentucky, and Missouri last week.

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K. Duncan Side Lake, MN USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:37:16 GMT

I understand that the British aren't used to this. I lived in England for some months and there was a brief snow flurry one day in April, and every British person I knew apologized profusely for the affront! I live in NE Minnesota, 100 miles from the Canadian border. We have had temp's down to -40 degrees F this winter, and about 4 feet of snow. We hold the record in the lower 48 states for a record low temp of -60 F about 10 years ago. I teach at a college, and schools here close only when there's a true blizzard (12+ inches) or the temps are so low in the AM that the schoolbuses' fuel will gel and put kids at peril of literally freezing to death. So it's hard to be too sympathetic, but I think President Obama (from cold Chicago) wryly observed that Washington shut down completely recently with just a few inches of snow, too. But I've seen the posted photos, and it is quite beautiful there. As I look out at a cold, white winter landscape every day until the end of March, be of good cheer that as long as you remain safe, you'll have this to talk about for years to come!

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Cici, Salt Lake City, Utah — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:49:40 GMT

Those of you laughing about this snow NOT being the result of global warming are showing your ignorance. Do some research before making such statements.I know on the surface it does not seem logical, but...do your homework!

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Nate, Bellingham, Wash. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:49:46 GMT

It is sad that poor SFB "He's not my (pro-abortion) president!" does not and never will understand that Global Warming means Climate Change. It doesn't mean that it gets warmer everywhere. Some places get a little cooler while oters get a lot warmer. It is now cooler, on average, in Britain while it is warmer, on average, in Greenland. And we can no mre deal with Chicag weather here in the Pacific Northwest than London can.

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b torched — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:50:19 GMT

I'll take 28 degrees and a few inches of snow over the crap we have seen in the mid west since Dec! Funny that they can't drive in this stuff. Think Spring, it's almost here!

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Margaret, Hartford, Connecticut — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:54:06 GMT

I live in New England, USA, and we see here about every kind of weather there is at some point or other: 100+ heat and humidity in the summer, 8-12" of snow (or more) at a clip in the winter, hurricanes, tornadoes, ice storms--you name it! Even if you have the equipment and a population accustomed to severe weather, clearing 10" of snow is a chore, and ice can bring us all to a standstill. Since when did we humans come to think we were so almight powerful that we could beat all the forces of nature!

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John, Dallas, Texas — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:57:12 GMT

Those in the southern U.S. have the same problem with the slightest bit of snow or ice. They think they can drive on it and go blindly to work. The 400 wrecks one day last week in Dallas won't change anyobody's mind.

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Julia, London, UK — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:01:58 GMT

I am a Londoner, I have loved the snow today me and my 6 year old son spent the day having snowball fights and building a snowman. Its funny we couldn't cope and everything shut down .. reassuring because we don't have to deal with this like some of the people that have posted here. I am pleased that you all can deal with snow so well :) YAY you! Meanwhile I return to enjoying a paid day off work, put on another DVD and drink another cuppa tea :p

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ray droog north-western canada — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:08:54 GMT

Hhahahaaaaaaaa,

What a joke you are,..

4 incehs,.. 10 inches,...

your not even 1/4 up of what where getting here every year,

and NO we dont chissel purselve out our home,..
but we do keep the walkways and roads clean - 110%

so come up to north-western canada,
and see a snow drop of 4 feet over-night,
then you might start thinking about how to get out of your home........
but 4 inches,..
what a joke,.

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Kathy, Texas — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:10:00 GMT

Oh my Gosh!!
Gore you were right...
Global Warming.

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Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:10:53 GMT

Why is it I feel like this is a "Everything's bigger in Yankland?". If it helps to redress the balance for us Brits, I did put my flip-flops on and walk to work without crampons, snowshoes, ice axes, skidoos, huskies or a snowplough in sight unlike our colonial renegade cousins. I did cheat a bit with the flip flops though by driving 6inch nails into them and wearing short brown socks (de Rigour for sandalled feet in the UK, unsocked feet and flip flops being illegal beachwear otherwise by an Act of Parliament and the cause for public castigation. Trust me, you don't want to be arrested by the UK Sock Police, yhey make Guatanamo Bay look like Butlins. Mind you, Butlins makes Guatanamo Bay look like a holiday resort anyway ).Then again, I had had crumpets and muffins for breakfast with a strong sweet mug of Tetley tea which I'd stewed for three days in t'Aga(not really, just thought I'd reinforce the stereotypes). Mind you, I am from up t'North and we do go out in T shirts in the middle of winter. I nearly even had to wear long trousers it were that nesh. In the end, I just rubbed some Fiery Jack into my underpants and set off with a rosy glow to light the way through t'blizzard. Snow were so thick, I almost cunt see me whippet on end of t'lead. I'll bet it's raining again tomorrow. I've got my wellies ready just in case.

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Linda Doliber, Marblehead, MA USA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:13:23 GMT

It amazes me that much of what I've read about today is the difficulties of living with the inconvenience of a heavy snow storm...and not one word about reminding everyone that this is the time to be thinking about the elderly, the infirm, and animals. Do your neighbors have sufficient food and heat? Can you spare some food or shovel them out? Are animals that are not accustomed to plummeting temperatures being kept inside or at least in a sheltered area? Get a grip, folks. If this is the worst storm you've had in recent memory, consider yourself lucky if you are healthy and have the ability to think about someone else's welfare, too. Linda, Marblehead, MA USA

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Taz-Aurora, Co. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:25:54 GMT

Take some advice. Relax. Miss a day of work & send the kids out to shovel the driveway. They will be playing in the snow in 5 minutes. We see drifts of 4 feet in the bad years and in the good years,we end up with water restrictions. Seriously, a teenager with a shovel can make good money taking care of the neighborhood Don't fight Mother Nature! Reacquaint yourself with the family and take the extra time for a afternoon nap.(Hopefully with your favorite bed mate)

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Mary , Springfield, VA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:30:05 GMT

Last week our new President from Chicago made the usual jeering comments when DC area schools closed because of "a little ice" and most of us hunkered down rather than drive. Places that don't get much snow and ice generally aren't equipped to handle it.

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Kelly, Los Angeles, CA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:35:55 GMT

When it rains two inches in Los Angeles people drive like it's Armageddon. It's all relative people! I lived in London one winter in college and while it does get cold and dreary, it hardly ever snows! The city isn't built for it -- so give me a break, Londoners have a legitimate reason to respond with a little chaos.

Also people, seriously, look up "Global Warming". Just because the word "warming" is in the title, doesn't mean it dictates the definition. Cooling is the result of global warming as well!

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Zach Cassaro, Boone, NC — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:38:18 GMT

Wow, I lived in London as a child and can only remember flurries, lite snows, whereas here they really get snow. It really excites me in a childish sense of just running down the way, tossing snowballs about, and singing carols.

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Silvia Martin — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:39:11 GMT

Coldest temp in continental USA was in 1954 in near Great Falls, MT. Oh, by the way, we get snow too.

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steve pickens, muir beach ca — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:42:44 GMT

Snow happens even here in coastal California, not to the extent seen in the NE, Midwest or northern tier USA, but it does occur. Two winters ago speeding motorists exited the Waldo tunnel above SF and ran inot a snow squall and 30+ car pile up resulted.

What is perhaps surprising is the problems encountered by rail transit in greater London. I wonder how the second generation tramway in Croydon is making out? In the not too dim and distant past commuter rail was run all night to insure that the morning rush was not impacted to any great degree and during winter visits to NYC, Boston and Chicago as well as Geneva Switzerland we noted no disruption.

I suspect that the problemn with shrinking budgets is that there is no allowance to run the trains all night or cities with streetcar systems no longer have the streetcar snowplows in service.

It seemed to be that rail ransit was expected to run on time regardless of the weather and it did!

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Lorraine, Mississauga, ON. Canada — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:05:24 GMT

SNOW, god help me, you Brits have no idea what snow is. Although saying that, you get 2 inches of rain and the country comes to a halt.

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Sorry at work, Overland Park, KS — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:05:52 GMT

I lived in Southwest Missouri for ten years, where there was only one snowplow in our town. There were many times we couldn't get around for lack of the streets being scooped. So I understand the Brits, whose public transport stopped. When you aren't prepared, a little bit of snow can shut things down quite efficiently. So let's give the Brits a break and hope they have a nice cuppa for me while they are snuggled up at home in front of a toasty fire!

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R.Patel — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:08:23 GMT

hs ha so much for global warming.don't be fooled by these global warming cooks.may be we headed for ice age.

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R.Patel,Indianapolis,Indiana — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:16:48 GMT

So much for global warming.May be Al gore his scientists got confuesd with global cooling to global warming. May be we are headed to ice age.

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John G. Alexandria VA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:17:44 GMT

My great Uncle, who often visited London, was once heard to remark that the problem with the weather is that every one talks about it, but no one does anything.

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RH, Shalimar, Florida — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:28:17 GMT

"Heck of a way to run a global warming, huh?

Its been colder than normal across the entire northern hemisphere. Lets assume the Earth is a pot of water and global warming is the burner on the stove. We then put the water on the pot and turn on the burner. Under the global warming argument, as we turn up the heat, the water in the pot freezes.

Does anyone but me see a problem here?
Joe F., Beaufort SC (Sent Monday, February 02, 2009 2:22 PM)"

To use this same anti-logic, one could make the argument that an increase in global temperature is directly correlated to a dearth in pirate population(Somalia notwithstanding). Oversimplifying global warming to "Hey, it's cold outside, thus global warming is a farce" sadly appears to be a staple of the gleefully under-educated "base" that comprises an unfortunate majority of the Republican party.

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Leah Taylor-Heath — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:43:03 GMT

We have half a cm here in south east devon (Yes there is another place in England other than London!) You may laught at us unable to cope with the snow....but how would you cope with the amount of rain that we do???

I must admit I am loving out little dusting of snow and so are the kids...Just Fun!

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Caleb Thornquist, Michigan — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:43:54 GMT

Hahahaha,
Take a break and come try out Michigan.
Not only does our weather change almost literally every 10 minutes, but our economy is obviously going down the drain. Around where I live, theres been so few snow plowings, you might as well go drive on a snow covered icy lake. Furthermore, ive only had 2 days off of school so far, so suck it up England.

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Tracy O'Neill, Sheffield, UK — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:12:53 GMT

Its still snowing in England, has been at it all day. Now 21:55. There's some guy wheel-spinning his car and revving the engine frantically! People just don't know how to drive in the snow over here!I live in the North of England, and its true to say that Londoners wouldn't know how to cope with the weather. I remember being stranded in Sheffield once, back in around 1991.I was living in Leicester which is further south from here. There, if it snowed at all, it was gone in a matter of hours. They thought I was kidding when I phoned work to tell them the railways had shut down up here!Back in around 1978, I remember snow so high, it came above our front door...no school that day, but people who could get out were soon taken to the streets to clear paths and doorways, especially for the elderly or infirm. We got on with things in those days. At the moment, I'm actually recovering from illness, so signed off sick, but had I been at work today, I would have got up extra early and started walking to the hospital I'm employed at, which is at the other side of the city. I would have offered to work, also, if I'd not been rota'd on for today. Its the way we are up here. A good work ethic never did anyone any harm. More snow is forecast, particularly at my part of the country. Goodness knows what will happen if the snow ploughs haven't been out and gritted the roads tonight!

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Bobby G, San Antonio, Tx. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:18:41 GMT

I feel your pain - almost 20 years ago, we got 11 inches here in San Antonio, Texas - and it was a mess. When you live in the northern states you expect to get snow, you can prepare for it... buy snow tires, snow shovels, snowmobile suits, antifreeze rated for sub-zero temps, etc. When you only get snow every 30 years - you can't prepare for it - no stores carry what you need, no snowtires, no show shovels, no cold weather clothing - no nothing.

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Pieter Kes (a displaced yankee), Woodstock, AL — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:50 GMT

Look on the bright side. The beer is finally COLD! So go down to the pub and have one for an American that enjoyed a pint of bitter. Then a game of darts.

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Taylor, Worcester, UK — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:41:45 GMT

What all non British here have to realise is that Britain IS NOT USED TO THIS KIND OF WEATHER. Those of you saying 'oh come here and see how we cope'; well you are used to it, you see it and live with it, most likely quite often. Like a fellow Brit said above, we get extreme weather every few years..IF THAT.In this case, 20 odd years. I think that you Americans should cut us some slack, because this is one of the most extreme kinds of snow fall we have had in a very long time, we do not know how to cope properly when this happens, whereas those of you who live where snow is common grow to live with it.
I'm sorry but please don't say we've 'lost our stiff upper lip' It means nothing and stop looking down on us.

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Gary T. Fish East Stroudsburg, Pa. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:52:37 GMT

Just talked to relatives in the U.K. They told me that there were no snowplows out, but the loories were out cindering. Snow shovels are just something that the brits do not have. At least up until now. I was stationed for 4 years in England, and I cannot remember any large snow storms. If it did snow, it was all gone in a day.

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J Fleming, Ithaca NY — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:00:31 GMT

I lived in Seattle, WA, for ten years. They had not the slightest idea of how to deal with snow. The entire city shut down every time there were a few inches. I imagine it's still the same. Don't make fun of the British...they're not used to it either. Rain and fog is the thing there, and I love it!

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Jeff, London, England — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:03:10 GMT

I'm from Colorado, so a few inches (okay feet) of snow doesn't mean much to me because I'm used it. But I've been living in London now for nearly three years, and can't tell you how incredible this wintry surprise has been. I walked home from work last night, skipping through the snow and enjoying take out on a park bench across the Thames from Parliament. You could barely see across the river the snow was driving down so hard. I ended up covered in snow, but it was well worth it.

To all you Americans who still think a few inches and a few degrees below freezing (it was actually above this afternoon) is nothing, you just have to imagine that there are absolutely no snow plows. And I can safely say I've never seen a snow shovel in this country in my life. I walked to work this morning slipping and sliding on the compacted snow, and can only imagine it will all freeze tonight, making it as treacherous as ever tomorrow morning.

Of course, you also have to understand that the Brits will take almost any excuse to visit their local pub. If the choice is taking five times longer than normal to get to work, versus a visit to the pub, which would you honestly choose? I think it's fair to say the drinking establishments did a brisk business today...

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Cindy, Tempe AZ — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:06:10 GMT

Dalila Smith in Yuma AZ: it doesn't hit 120º and 90% humidity in Arizona. The 120º, yes. 90% humidity, no. The only time it's that humid here is when it rains, and then the temperature is more in the upper 90s or low 100s.

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Ann, Frimley, Surrey, UK, (formerly of snowy Wisconsin) — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:21:45 GMT

Like much of the US south, southern England has so little need for snow-plows that the expense of buying lots of them could not be justified, but it also means we are unprepared for heavy snow, though salt and grit are used regularly. We had about 8 inches of snow in far NW Surrey in the last 24 hours, but places farther north expect up to 20 more inches in the next 24 hours. Weather in parts of the north of England, much of Scotland, and in some of Wales can be more harrowing than down here in the balmy south. Sadly, several people have died recently due to climbing accidents.

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Mary Pinkerton — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:42:30 GMT

Love the Brits! I do hope we get some wonderful photographs from London. Staying home by a fire with a cup of warm tea or a hot toddy is my way to spend any snow day.
Right now Kentucky and other areas are still digging out from an ice storm and about 500,000 are without power. When you have power it is not bad. It does not take temps that are too low to get hypothermia. So stay dry and layer your clothing and all that.

Cheers!

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Marybeth, Moline, IL — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:16:42 GMT

Ok everybody lighten up! Enjoy your day off Britts!

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Sevenov — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:23:51 GMT

I lived for decades in London and the 'home counties'. Once thing is guaranteed: despite warnings, the roads are not salted in time, only after the event. The excuse would be that the councils did not know the oracle would come true!

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Sevenov, Chicago, IL — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:30:13 GMT

Oh yes, when I lived outside London proper, speciallyin the Chilterns, driving between the narrow gap between the hedgerows could be hazardous but 'anticipatingly' challenging, like a milder form of 'death wish'. I carried a small shovel in the boot(trunk) and on many occasions put it to good use uphill or downhill. Funny, I really enjoyed those moments, cursing and kicking the tyres (tires), while the missus and the kids were having fun watching me WORK!

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Stevie McMichael, Seattle, Washington. — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:52:17 GMT

We had that here at the end of December/beginning of January--more snow than even my mother had ever seen, and it ground us to a complete standstill, too. Our radio DJs started calling it 'Snowpocalypse' because we haven't got the equipment to deal with something like that, though at least studded tires and chains are pretty common. Good luck. :)

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Dave Anderson, Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:06:01 GMT

Good to reminisce here about the weather. One January when I was a kid in Hibbing MN, the warmest it got was negative 20F, and one morning my sister and I delivered the morning paper at 40 below F. Our father did drive us to each house, however and we ran to each door and then back to the warm car. Ha. Never heard of wind chill in those days and we did play outside most days that January as I recall. Keeping the house warm was a bit of strain on the citywide steam heat too but we survived. As for school and snow, we had school called off only once when we got 24 inches overnight and the plows had trouble getting the roads open before classes. But we all got to the basketball tournaments that night. So cheerio and enjoy the rare for London fun stuff.

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A Hall, NE Minnesota — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:06:37 GMT

I've read all this and while part of me says poo on 4 inches (I live not too terribly from K Duncan), I remember quite well how Washington DC area shut down when I was a kid and we got snow. Everything is relative. If an area doesn't get that weather, it isnt prepared.

Minnesota is not prepared for hurricanes for example!

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Mike, Tucson, AZ — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:27:39 GMT

That last snow was 19 years ago. I know, because I was there in the Air Force. My wife and I almost didn't make it home that night to our school age children.

I see they're no better at snow removal now than they were then.

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Virginia Ventrone Akron Ohio — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:45:07 GMT

I'M still trying to clean my car off from our last week snowstorm and we got another snow storm coming in Tuesday. Our drive way you can go ice skating .
Virginia Akron Ohio

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b davies surrey south london uk — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:10:38 GMT

LeeAnn, Missouri USA.. us brits have not lost anything ty very much.. and your guess at 2 inches of snow here is rubbish! there was that much snow in surrey south london that my car was stuck (snowed in) so please keep your comments to yourself ty.

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Peter, LA, USA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:41:45 GMT

Having been born in the UK and now residing in California I remember that when the snow falls the UK comes to a halt. However in California the same applies to rain. I remember my first experience of rain in California and trying to get home from work. It took hours and then the roads are like ponds.

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David Delaine — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:46:08 GMT

I have been living in bangkok for the last ten years , and its great but if theres ,one thing I miss about England is the Snow, Snow is somthing most thais do not see, feel,or have fun with, the nearest they come to snow is on tv or the movies.

AS a kid in Wales we used to have snow half way up the door it also seems that it used to snow every winter, snow is part of the Brits life and if the truth were told they love it. at least its a legit excuse to have some time of from the daily grind.

David Delaine,
in hot and sunny Bangkok

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Anon, Snowy New England, NY — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:08:43 GMT

It's amusing that those of us who live in the north assume that ppl who rarely see snow are wimps who can't handle a few inches of snow. Living in the north country with sand and salt trucks and snow plows is what makes that possible for us to listen to a forecast calling for feet of snow. Without these luxuries we'd be just as helpless, So don't take it for granted and scoff at those "wimps" I'm green with envy....I'd love a snow day from work

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Jenni Houston Arkansas — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:19:52 GMT

Don't Feel Bad .. Here In Arkansas If Anyone Even Mentions Snow Or Ice .. People Freak ..

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Mot, Michigan — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:21:28 GMT

A few years ago, I had a chance to do the tourist thing in London. (LOVED IT)

There was a light dusting of snow. It was less than 1/2 of an inch.

That was considered a sizable storm.

I'm in Michigan, about a 90 minute drive to Canada.

I had a 1/2 inch hit me today. I did not even shovel the steps.

It's strange seeing how a country that has added so much to the history of the world (Shapers of Australia, Canada, South Africa, and the USA being just a few examples) being so troubled by what people from Kentucky on north would think of as just another winter's day.

UK, you've beaten much worse than this!

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A T, Ipswich, Suffolk, England — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:23:34 GMT

Hmm... Well i'm not too sure how many areas of the UK this guy actually visited during the period of snowfall in order to write this artical, but the area i live in (Suffolk) has not seen any of this so called "Chaos". We got the snow, but nobody panicked at all, and from what i've heard not many people from any other areas did either, possibly due to the fact that the snow fell on a Sunday, and not many people round here (or in many other parts of the UK) work on a Sunday! Children here do not have school on Sundays either! By Monday morning all the roads were cleared and gritted and people went about their regular business! Maybe London was caught unaware, but for the rest of us, this was a walk in the park! It is however always important to remain cautious, even if something doesn't look that bad, it can still be extremely hazardous. I think Mr Hampson has taken the Governments words of caution and slightly exagerated them a bit to be honest. If anyone thinks we're afraid of a little bit of snow, then they know nothing of British people!
Take Care all!

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KACF, Amherst, NY — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:38:07 GMT

I've lived in Austin, TX and a suburb of Buffalo, NY. IMO Buffalonians are only slightly better at handling snow, but the suburbs are on the ball. I grew up just north of Detroit, MI, on Lake Huron, and we got big lake effect snowfalls just like Buffalo does, but our town closed things down and called driving bans for certain periods of time to allow the plows to work unimpeded, so we weren't stranded for days like Buffalo city residents are. Buffalonians claim they can't shut down for every lake effect event because they'd never be open, but I quit teaching in the city because I got tired of being stranded overnight on snow-clogged streets. I'm sure they could take lessons from Chicago and even Detroit. It sounds like Buffalo's current mayor, Byron Brown, has been in contact with leaders from those cities -- his Snow Plan seems logical. Let's just hope corruption doesn't impede follow-thru.

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Jane Payne, Baltimore, MD — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:43:21 GMT

In good old Baltimore we just wait for it to melt. Saves on buying snowplows.

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Dan Cowtown, Texas — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:28:03 GMT

Some one should tell the global warming nuts they need to check their facts. The earth has stopped warming since 1999 and in fact the temperatures have been falling for the past three years. If we caused the warming why is it warmer on Mars? Did we do that too? It just might be because the sun has just went through a cycle of sun spots and increased heat, naw no way.

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Mr. Wright, Philadelphia, PA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:41:37 GMT

Wow, I the english finally getting snow after all these years, and they can't even find a shovel. thats crazy! I'm from philly, PA we're used to snow almost every year and prepared for it. I have alot of friends from the UK, I'm sure they're lovin it.

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alice bentley rochester ny — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:11:48 GMT

the fact tat the british havent got snow shovels,snow ploughs etc ,tells you only how fortunate they are in having cooler but snow free weather,and have the sense to stay home and enjoy their grousing,i have no doubt the local pubs will enjoy a full house out of this if nothing else.

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Thomas Lee Boles, Saint Paul, MN — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:28:29 GMT

Johna, get real. The "thousands of climate scientists" who have "shown {global warming] to be a fraud" are a few shills for Big Oil and Big Coal. Even some of the oil companies are facing reality. Who ever said "warming" meant it would never snow again? What would it take to persuade you that wishful thinking is not science?

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Paul, Southington, Connecticut, USA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:44:49 GMT

I can remember larger amounts of snowfall as a kid growing up in London, but it seems people have forgotten how to deal with it. So, it only happens once in 10 years, nevertheless the city and town council lorries (sorry trucks to the USA contingent), should have snow ploughs they can hitch onto the front of the lorries to plough the snow. It's what they do over here for God's sake, but I guess it's just another reason to have a day off. Enjoy it while it lasts, your only a kid once you know.
p.s. It just started snowing here Woo-Hoo!!!

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Paul Smith, Aztec, NM — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:01:59 GMT

Thank you Chris for your thoughtful comments and observations regardng the snowfall in England. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Took me right back.....

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soupy. birmingham GB — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:02:13 GMT

I remember when I was a kid we had heavy snow, almost every winter. Back then the schools didn't close unless the pipes had burst. Kids walked to school and every one cleared their own frontage. Then we became PC apparently if you clear the snow and someone slips it is your fault. If you don't clear the snow and someone slips it is an act of God. So no snow ploughs anymore, no community spirit anymore, no blocks of rocksalt kept for the winter to clear the paths. Seems the only ones who do shovel the snow and walk to the shops and take the dog out and basically carry on living are us old folks, Few of us can afford 4x4's few of us can afford the heating bills in our energy unefficient homes, single glazed with little or no insulation. So we layer up the clothing and get out there with the best of them, saves our heating bills lol. Admire the way the Americans deal with the weather, and worry about my friends around the world.

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ctown, snowy mountains, Australia — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:31:24 GMT

ah yes, one of the effects of global warming is a general decrease in temparature world wide. One of the best winters australia has seen in 20 or so years.

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Sadden American — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:20:15 GMT

I can't make fun of anyone that has their city stopped because of snow... I live in the Metro Detroit area of Michigan. Because of our inept Governor, we've had three snow storms THIS YEAR that has shut the city down. WE LIVE IN MICHIGAN!!! I grew up with the snow... our schools wouldn't shut down unless there was at a minimum of 8" onthe ground. We get 4" and schools close... mostly because most parents have no idea what cold weather clothing looks like, so will sue the school system because their kid got frostbite waiting for a bus. Er... hello... drive the kid to school! Put a damn hat and gloves and boot on them!!

We live in Michigan and a little snow or rain makes people forget how to drive... I've seen more crashes this year than I've ever seen... we're just getting more stupid by the year...

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John, fargo, nd — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:58:30 GMT

I live in Fargo, ND and we got 33 inches just in December.

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Jill Nicoll, St.Andrews, Scotland — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:22:08 GMT

I note there is no mention of Scotland in these pages. We too had a fair bit of snow, but kept at work. Also, a big boost for Prestwick Airport, it wa taking the flights which could not arrive in London. It's a great airport and should be used far more as a regular flight destinantion from the US. It almost never closes. when fog and snow close other places, Prestwick is still open. Use it folks. The gateway to Scotland is beautiful.

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Jill Nicoll, St.Andrews, Scotland — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:24:07 GMT

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Ray, Wakefield, UK. — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:29:20 GMT

For supposedly intelligent animals we humans really are dumb. Other animals, supposedly less intelligent, decide to up sticks and leave. They have the sense(s) to migrate! Perhaps we could learn from the animals ;) Our ancient forefathers were nomadic perhaps climate change will lead us to do the same one day.

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Jared, Milwaukee, WI — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:32:14 GMT

I am from Milwaukee - but in Sheffield this week, it's hilarious how this snow has just shut the city down...And people here wonder why the city doesn't provide them with grit (no salt here!)... Its quite amusing to watch.

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M Wright, San Diego, CA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:45:48 GMT

Johna. Dear. Try to focus. GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES BAD WINTERS BECAUSE THERE IS MORE MOISTURE IN THE ATMOSPHERE THAN NORMAL due to excessive heat that cause more thatn usual evaporation. So you get shorter but more intense cold winters that expend alot of water that's in the air and this causes a cycle of deep freezes and high prolonged heat later in the year. Ya' know, its not like the science cable channels arent disseminating this info.
Fresh water freezes faster, more meltwater from melting glaciers freezes on top of the salt water and creates an out of the ordinary weather pattern. Maybe you should watch less reality shows, Hee Haw reruns, Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives idiots who tell you lies because you dont have the science to know the difference. It is 2009, WAKE UP,there's a President in office who cares about YOUR kids as well as his own and he's trying to save the world from the failed ideology that was espoused by the Republicans that has driven us the brink of a most frightening economic downtown in this country's history...in fact, if Obama and the many thousands of Americans who've pledged to work hard to reverse the damage CANNOT get a hold of this thing, its all over by the shouting. "Liberals" as your ilk call us who are logical and concerned about our neighbor next dooror across the world, are NOT your enemy, we want to live...dont YOU? Fight global warming, go green.

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Art Ward, London, uk — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:49:12 GMT

To Lee Ann in Missouri. Don't worry everything is still stiff in London. You see we don't get this stuff often and life goes on every day here. We don't need to buck up. It's not Missouri where you shut down for months on end, eat burgers and get fat. That's why people choose to live here and not in Missouri

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Tre, Summit, CO — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:09:10 GMT

In the high country in Colorado, it takes an AVALANCHE to shut down the roads, and usually then only for a couple hours :)

I've gotten to work the next morning after an overnight 40" plus.

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Peter Sadler, Newcastle, UK — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:31:38 GMT

Why does everyone in USA insist that either we go to your town wherever you live and see how awful you have it, or say that one of you should come over here and show us how to deal with it? The majority of us, unlike this article would have you believe, got up, saw the snow, and just got on with it and went on as usual. I got the earlier train to work (30 miles) and arrived on time, left the depot in only my usual 2 wheel drive van and did 4 hours postal collection from rural post boxes across the dales in a half foot of snow, more in some places. Didn't miss a single box and was back to work on time, even caught the earlier train. So don't be thinking that every person over here saw one flake of snow and decided that a trip outdoors was suicide! Because no, just watching the local councils and governments failing to cope in some places and then writing an article slating every Brit as pathetic and a coward is just offensive. Come rain or shine (or snow) and we get ourselves to work and we work!

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Shannon, San Diego, CA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:34:10 GMT

Hey to all those Americans making comments about London's lack of snow skills--Give them a break! You all live in places where snow is of the norm. They simply don't have the infrastructure to deal with it. I live in San Diego and we have pretty darn near the same reaction that they are having to snow, WHEN IT RAINS! So enjoy the long weekend, things will be back to normal soon enough!

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WLeit, Loudonville, OH — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:39:03 GMT

The oceans aren't warming(fact), so would you global warming scammers just shut-up and wake up to solar system warming caused by the Sun! Mars and Jupiter aren't affect by Mans' activities on Earth. Just go with the flow and figure out how to adapt.

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Maureen , Harare, Zimbabwe — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:03:49 GMT

Wish I was there to witness the snow, must be amazing

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Martin McArthur, Lisbon, Maine — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:34:55 GMT

We got 20 inches (50cm) in 6 hours last Wednesday in about 6 hours time. That was the third of such snowfalls this year, not to mention the near daily smaller snowfalls. That caused a 2 hour delay for school and work openings. Here in Maine, snow is what we know.

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tracy, sheffield UK — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:36:30 GMT

Well, the snow didn't continue as inticipated. But, the kids are still kept away from school today, here in sunny sheffield! The kids are out playing in the snow, and , doubtless, many parents will have to stay away from mork to look after them!My cat, Marilyn, went out, she's only 2 years old so hasn't seen much snow in her youth so far. She carefully placed one paw in front of the other, then, bam!her back paw hit some ice and she fell into deep snow head first! She quickly ran back into the house. Don't think she'll be going out for a while yet...

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Vincent, Mt. Vernon NY USA — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:41:52 GMT

Not to worry. If Gore is right (Yeah, like that's gonna' happen) your real worry will be England totally disappearing beneath the oceans surrounding it after the polar ice caps totally melt. Forget the cold, keep a snorkel handy.