Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Wendell Powell — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:42:40 GMT

No one seems to remember this except for those of us who were there or who lost someone. The word "haunt" would describe my recollections as well. Thanks for your article.

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herb glatter — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:03 GMT

actually the first instance of Muslim terrorism occurred on June 6, 1968 when Sirhan Sirhan a "Palestinian" Arab shot and killed Bobby Kennedy.

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R. Wolpin, Ocean, NJ — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:54:25 GMT

I was in the Navy station on board the USS New Jersey that was off the coast of Lebanon when the bomb went off. I was a Sunday morning, a warm and clear day, and I could see the smoke from the ship and then the ship went to General Quarters. (not a drill). We lost a crewmate that day. Did 20 years, retiring in 1996. rbw

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Bob Mostertz, Boston, MA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:57:46 GMT

As part of the Navy's 6th Fleet component deployed to Lebanon during 1983 "landing" one of the MARGs that spent time in Beirut, I am heartened that someone remembers. The lesson here is instructive; in 1983, we were warriors whose leadership did not commit us to the fight because it didn't fit the political calculus. Fine. Today, we have a slightly different equation; we fit the political calculus to commit our warriors to a fight. Not fine. The outcome is the same; young lives lost to an ill-conceived political agenda except today the stakes are much higher - make sure you vote and honor those who died for your right to choose.

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Steven , Greenfield, Indiana — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:02:10 GMT

You're wrong about Beirut being the first. The US Embassy in Iran in 1979 was when it all began.

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M Lonski — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:02:24 GMT

History is the teacher, but where are the students?

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Anwar H — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:07:43 GMT

STOP!!! Associating Islam with Terrorism....Just report on the people who do it without identifying their religion...JUST like you wouldnt identify a murderer with his or her religion...STOP STOP STOP.......

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Eric Davis, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:10:49 GMT

I appreciate Mr. Maceda taking the time to write about his experiences during this horrible event from our history. The Marine Barracks attack and the attacks upon our embassy in Beirut provided the US with distinct warnings that we unfortunately ignored. Reagan, who must have been concerned about his re-election chances chose to do the popular thing and bring our troops home from Beirut and thus emboldened Iran to continue their proxy war against our nation in the years to come. We cowered in the face of evil in the early eighties and we have paid dearly for our mistakes. Now, we face distinct choices yet again in the Middle East. Whether we were right to go to Iraq or not, we cannot afford to withdraw hastily because public opinion has soured on the conflict. We must stay and finish the job unless we wish to embolden our enemies once again.

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Nick Sanford Spring Lake N.C. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:11:23 GMT

The real start of jihad was in Sept. 1972 at Munich and the world did nothing.

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Bill Benson — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:11:57 GMT

How dare you imply it was Reagan than motivated Al Qaeda. If anything it was the eight years of Clinton destroying our deterrance. As a point of fact Bin Laden was quoted in the John Miller interview after Clinton's disaster in Somalia that 'America could not stand the site of its own blood'.

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Bhargav Indurthi — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:15:37 GMT

I like the story.It would surely remain in the correspondent's mind of the rest of his life.

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Noliving — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:19:34 GMT

Anwar you need to realize that sometimes religion is the motivation for terrorist attacks. Christianity, jews etc. All have been motivation for terrorists. This time it seems a twisted version of Islam has become the motivation for the vast majority of terrorist attacks. When it comes to people who are murderers, if religon played a part in the murder then they are going to identify that murderer with his or her religon.

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Mike, Arlington, VA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:21:14 GMT

I was a young Navy sailor (part of the MNPKF on board USS Inchon) from Oct 1982-March 1983. We departed Beirut in March 1983 about 6 months before the bombing occured, however it was not uncommon to watch from the airport or anchored off the coast the nightly fire-fights between the factions. Although we made a valient effort (Sailors and Marines) to stay out of the way it was obvious that eventually the longer we stayed the worse it would get and it did! So to all those "Devil Dogs" who perished that day, I would like to say your did not die in vain. Remember always that we have kept up the "good fight" against those who did you harm for the past 25 years!

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Dale, Denver — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:25:10 GMT

We all need to stop for a minute and give thanks to those who serve and sacrifice for us. May those who died in the barracks bombing rest in peace and those serving now never know anything similar.

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JeffB, Charlotte, NC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:28:15 GMT

I am surprised the article did not mention the bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut, which preceded the barracks bombing by 5-6 months. I was on one of the Navy ships supporting the Marines (Multi-national peacekeeping forces) at that time. We all knew it was a matter of time before the Marines were attacked directly.

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Paul, Bulrington, NJ — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:30:59 GMT

no, terrorism didn't start with beirut. that's called a selective memory. it started with the American Embassy in teheran.

if you wanted, you could go back even farther when the red army brigades and baader-meinhof gang was terrorizing western europe with attacks against business and industrial targets, NATO sites and personnel in the 70s. they were using muslim shooters then.

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Radical Centrist — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:07 GMT

Eric, most of the recently retired Generals (policy says ACTIVE duty Generals shouldnt speak out too loudly) believe that the Bush admin policy of NOT 'finishing the job', as you put it, In Afghanistan, and unwisely invading Iraq, were historic blunders. Remember, THERE WAS NO AL QAEDA IN IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED.

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Joe Plumber — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:32:38 GMT

"actually the first instance of Muslim terrorism occurred on June 6, 1968 when Sirhan Sirhan a "Palestinian" Arab shot and killed Bobby Kennedy. "
- herb glatter
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Uhh....he was a Christian, dude. Wiki him

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Mark, Cincinnati, Ohio — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:33:04 GMT

Typcal of Americans that terrorism, Islamic or otherwise, only starts with attacks against Americans. No wonder the rest of the world shakes its head at our perpetual myopia.

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mike r. tn — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:34:20 GMT

the new jersey came after my ship, the arkansas, provided naval gunfire support after the embassy bombing. i was glad my ship never loosed a round into the city of beirut. i knew when US began to kill lebanese in the name of peacekeeping there would be some repercussions. i could not have guessed how much. plankowner, USS arkansas, signing off.

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Kyle, Dover, DE — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:34:44 GMT

To Anwar H.: These types of stories will stop associating Islam with terrorism when terrorists stop using thier Islamic beliefs as the basis for thier actions. It's that simple.

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DaveinStLouis, St. Louis, MO — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:34:47 GMT

America's support of Israel is unshaken, but the historical facts show it has resulted in radical Islamic terrorist attacks against us and our interests.

To those who want the media to stop reporting the religion of the perpetrators, I would say, if it offends you, then quit sending funds to organizations that misuse it and fund these terrorist! Quit believing the propaganda you see on Al Jazeera!

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Ishmael — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:34:55 GMT

Funny thing. Terrorism began way before our lifetime, some would argue that barbarians used forms of terrorism to terrorize the great powers of their time. And some would argue great powers have done the same, such as the US. Sadly, if one really wants to point out terrorism one can look back at the coup that brought what the CIA calls blowback. It was back in the 50's and Iran lost its democratically elected leader by a coup enforced by the CIA and the Brits. Even before, the Shah was financed by the British to suppress the opposition. Terrorism by proxy? What about assassinations in South America? Terrorism has had many faces and today's its Islam's. Where are histories students? Where did I hear it but I think this line says it all, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

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Carmen D Rivera Brooklyn N.Y. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:35:29 GMT

Actually Islamic terrorism started in the 1970's when the U.S. let our ally at the time the Shah of Iran fall and did nothing about it! The past is coming back to bite the U.S. hard indeed!!

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Mike Jordaine, Washington, DC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:41:00 GMT

To reply to post number two. Sirhan Sirhan was a christian Arab, so that does not qualify him as a Muslim terrorist. It, though, qualifies him as a Christian terrosit.

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Chris H, Tupelo,MS. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:45:09 GMT

Anwar is right, in a sense, It would be no different than Christian Terrorism in IRAQ...that is how we are viewed anyway. A Muslim dies by the hand of a westerner and it's Western terrorism. To me it's the media's portrayal of Islam and the governing bodies that own them the promote this sort of Christian Propoganda. Religion is used by Governments to start wars. God ( all of them) should be used to end them.

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Jessica, Ohio — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:45:26 GMT

My Dad, Mike, was there on October 23, 1983. He retired from the Marine Corps in 1994. It still bothers him and my family thinks about it every October 23rd. I called him today to see how he was doing and we talked about the fact that it is the 25th Anniversary. I am thinking now about how scared my Mom was because she didn't know for a couple of days if my Dad was okay. She slept on the couch, looked out the windows a lot, and hoped to God that no cars pulled into her driveway. She was so relieved when he finally called. I wish more people did remember. It's almost as hard for me to think about as 9/11.

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Laura, Boca Raton, FL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:46:00 GMT

Does it matter that the Lebanese did not ask for peacekeepers from the US or anyother country on their territory and that the maries were viewed by them as occupiers ? Does that matter at all since it's their country we're talking about ?

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RobertB, Newport News, VA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:51:01 GMT

Our military willing volunteer to protect us, placing their lives on the line each and every day. We must always remember their sacrifices with the utmost honor and respect. It's good to see some of that in the news.

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Tarvin — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:51:57 GMT

Saddam, Bin Laden and the mujaheddin were both aided by Republican presidents in their fights against Iran and the Soviet Union. Does that make the US an ally of terrorism?

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jon — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:53:37 GMT

one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter

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Chris Gore, Sherman Oaks, CA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:56:14 GMT

Why does everyone forget the earliest modern style terrorist act ever, in 1947 when Israelis(or soon to be, anyway) including Yitzak Shamir and Menachim Begin bombed the King David Hotel and killed about 90 people?

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RayO, Charlotte, NC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:56:23 GMT

It was definitely Munich '72, though there had been numerous prior incidents, dating back prior to Israeli statehood, on both sides. Clinton was not to blame; this festered long before his administration. A collective lack of realistic assessment of intelligence no doubt spurred it, and years of American arrogance didn't help.

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Rafik Beekun — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:03:20 GMT

Jim,

I have long been an admirer of yours, but I am truly disappointed that you chose to associate the word terrorism with Islam. Would you have called Timothy Mcveigh a Christian terrorist or Baruch Goldstein a Jewish terrorist?

As General Powell said last Sunday on Meet the Press, it is time to stop associating the word Islam and Muslim with terrorism. I am a Muslim whose wife is a Navy veteran, and whose son is the Navy and has been deployed twice in Iraq and who was wounded while serving our country. Am I and my family to be labelled as terrorists simply because we are Muslims or associated with Islam?

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Drew, Chicago, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:15:36 GMT

Anyone hear of Timothy McVeigh? The bombing killed 168 people, and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Hmmmm, I don't recall him being Muslim.

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Mario P. Ubaldi, Pleasant Hill, CA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:16:07 GMT

I was a young sailor during the Lebanon peacekeeping mission. I served aboard the U.S.S Independence CV62, and we arrived for our second deployment to Lebanon. I always remember our fallen comrads, since I was there twice. Ronald Reagan was under a lot of Congressional Pressure, and President Clinton Made a lot of unpopular decisions, President Clinton ended my 12 year navy career. We were asked to stop the blood shed amoung the waring factions, but the rest of the world always wants the U.S to be the world's policeman.

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Steve, Tel Aviv — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:22:30 GMT

I, an Israeli, have NEVER forgotten those American lives destroyed in the marine barracks bombing, just as my heart goes out to the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Call it whatever you will, it's an age old fight, only the enemy is far more determined to win. See US election.

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Donald Martin, Hayfork, California — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:25:05 GMT

These things are too real to behold. I remember what Jesus said to his disciples on Matthew 24. . . that it is right now fulfilling before all of us. arabs are sons of Abraham as well as Jews . . . the rivalry of Issac and Iahamel marks the history all the way down to the end.

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Shawn, Cincinnati, OH — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:28:04 GMT

First act of Islamic terrorism? Depends on your definition. These certainly weren't the first attacks on America by Radical Islam. That dates back to the presidency of Thomas Jefferson, who invaded Tripoli in response to the attacks by the Barbary pirates. We've been at war with Radical Islam for over a practically two centuries now, but people still don't take these monsters seriously.

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Mike, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:29:05 GMT

As for Al-Qaeda Terrorism: Osama bin Laden helped fight the Soviet Army in Afganistan during the 1980's. In 1988 he seperated from the Mujahideen in Afganistan and created Al-Queda. Al-Queda's FIRST attack against the United States was a failed attack aimed at U. S. Soldiers in Aden, Yemen which took place on Dec. 29th 1992.

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CHAKA, NY, NY — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:29:26 GMT

You are calling Sirhan Sirhan a "terrorist" just because of his Arab background.

Is John Wilkes Booth a "terrorist" too, then?

Is every murderer a terrorist?

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Ted S CLNC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:29:50 GMT

It was 1/8 not 1/6 at the barracks on that horrible day.

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Michael, MI — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:30:45 GMT

So you have a large and powerful foreign nation, The United States, Putting an influx of there best soldiers on Lebanese soil and you expect the people to be happy? The loss of life is always sad but the US should have seen this coming.Also, the terrorist label is completely misused here. Since when is defending you national sovereignty on you own soil a terrorist act?
The US sacrificed 241 of our finest men and women for NOTHING. Very sad indeed, may they rest is peace.

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Paul, Bulrington, NJ — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:30:50 GMT

joe,

a palestinian arab can be muslim or christian. herb just identified the nationality, not the religion.

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For Truth — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:31:17 GMT

Herb Glatter, you're way off on Sirhan Sirhan. You shouldn't mislead people.

"Sirhan was born in Jerusalem to Christian parents and was raised in the Maronite Church. In his adult life however, he made several religious conversions, joining Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist churches, and dabbled in the occult."

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Brian Lawhorn — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:32:55 GMT

Thanks for remembering the fallen Marines as they were well trained fighting men who couldn't do what they were trained to do. Unfortunately, the reporter did not correctly identify the unit. It was actually the 1/8 out of Camp Lejeune.

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St. Petersburg, FL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:34:05 GMT

What do terrorists have to fear from a nation infested with the sick hypocrisy of Liberalism?

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Donny Vaganus — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:38:57 GMT

Does anyone know where these "terrorists" got the idea for bombing the embassy????? The Irgun, look it up. Islam and terrorism are no more linked than terrorism and Judaism. It is the people who chose to do horrific things. I am not discounting what happened and I feel for the families of those who lost their lives, but leave religion out of it. Look to the real source of animosity towards the US...it's people like GW and McLAME and their policies.

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Tom, Newington, CT — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:40:26 GMT

Suicide strikes against military targets (like the Marine barracks) are not terrorism; they are simply non-conventional acts of war.

Similarly, the assasination of a political figure (like Bobby Kennedy) is not terrorism; it's simply an assasination.

Strikes against CIVILIAN targets (who would have no reason to expect that visiting the market today is a BAD idea), especially when you don't care WHICH specific civilians are harmed, is terrorism.

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steve,Boston,ma. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:41:17 GMT

Let's not forget those men who were doing as soldiers do, obey. I i come from a long line of millitary men, Dad, grandpa, uncles & although I remain neutreal in political matters By my christian beleifs thease were innoceant men with mothers & fathers, sons and daughters, they were killed by "Terrorist" doing what duty called for, God will remember them & so many more in his book of life. Greaving "PA". I love you son.

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Curt S — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:42:41 GMT

Thank you, Mr. Maceda, for remembering. I'll never forget the deafening sound of the super stallion helicopters breaking the silence of a quiet Sunday morning on the Camp Lejeune, NC base.

To the innocent Marines and Sailors that were sacrificed on behalf of an ambassador that didn't want to maintain a 'military' precence, Semper Fi. And to Lt General Geraghty, you were wrongly blamed for this tragedy!

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Andrew, Hartford, CT — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:44:01 GMT

"STOP!!! Associating Islam with Terrorism....Just report on the people who do it without identifying their religion...JUST like you wouldnt identify a murderer with his or her religion...STOP STOP STOP......."

People will stop associating Islam with terrorism, when the cowards who perform these wicked deeds do the same. Do these terrorists not terrorize in the name of Allah and claim that it was his will?

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George, San Antonio — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:45:54 GMT

The first terrorists in our history were the Minutemen that fought for the freedom of the good old USA, so Jon was the most correct of all posters. The first of the Middle East were the Jews seeking to fulfill a dream of their own country that fought British colonizers and the Palestinians that had owned what is now Israel for nearly two thousand years.

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Patriot, Canaan, Maine — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:01:34 GMT

How sad this is to remember. Reading the posts, I am struck by how many people want to simplistically blame one event or someone else. This is complex, and needs a complex and nuanced solution that is likely to be more economic and social than military. God bless these men and their families. And yes, God forgive the men who felt driven to cause this.

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Gerry, Winnipeg, MB — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:05:25 GMT

I agree with Jon's comment. Its who's point of view yo look at the situation. US has killed millions in the name of freedom. When a family is killed and the only survivors are the little children, with no way to support themselfs, people like Osama and others like take advantage of the situation. in the western countries they have systems in place that take care of these orphans. It is inevtable that when ever US tries to "free" a nation that it also plan for the rehabilitation of these orphans, if not they will become terrorist or freedom fighters as they are called and fulfill other peoples profesies. No religion teaches us to kill to attain one's goals, but it is humans like osama, Bush, Blair, and all the Politicians that use religion to attain there objectives.

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Andy, Buffalo,NY — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:09:20 GMT

I think people are missing the point in this little side discussion. Anwar may be a little too sensitive that this article is directly relating Islam to terrorism, though he has a valid reason to think so, because most westerners have the that very mindset. And to those who are criticizing his comments, you're not seeing that there is a difference between people who kill in the name of Allah, and people who practice Islam. You can't say that it is correct to associate terrorism to Islam because terrorists kill in the name of that religion. These are terrosists who kill in the name of Islam. Islam does not tell them to kill any moreso than Christianity told James Kopp to kill Dr Barnett Slepian for being an abortion doctor.

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Kayla, North Carolina — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:09:21 GMT

I was a young college graduate working in an orphanage north of Beirut - in sight of that beautiful ship the USS New Jersey. For me, the horror still remains of that morning. Thank you for your article. None of us need to forget.

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Eric Davis, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:10:54 GMT

Radical Centrist, I don't disagree with you or the generals you may be referencing, what I was stating was from this point forward, our nation needs to finish what we have started (even if it was ill advised action) so we don't have additional problems down the road. You won't get any arguments from me about how our current wars have been mismanaged. If we hadn't left the Afghans high and dry when the Cold War ended, we wouldn't be fighting the Taliban there today.

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Tomis Kapitan, DeKalb, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:12:36 GMT

Since when is an attack upon foreign occupying soldiers an act of terrorism? This abuse of the term 'terrorism' and the absence of any historical perspective--e.g., the fact that the Israeli forces had just slaughter nearly 18,000 Lebanese with American blessing--is truly astounding.

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Greg Dougherty — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:13:02 GMT

I was aboard the USS Nassau and remember going in there and taking the last group of Marines out.

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Tomis Kapitan, DeKalb, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:15:46 GMT

Terrorism started with this attack? Only someone who knows nothing about Middle East history would say this. Look back to the 1930s and 1940s when Jewish terrorists in Palestine began rolling barrel bombs into Arab marketplaces, and then you will realize that Muslims have no monopoly on terrorist violence in this part of the world.

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Anna, Dallas, TX — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:16:34 GMT

"No greater love..." Veteran's Day is coming up. Show 'em some love.

This was not the beginning of Islamic Terrorism, but it brought it to a diabolical new level. I remember the hostages taken at the American Embassy in Iran. Now one of the terrorists is the leader of that country.

Let's get the job done in Afghanistan and irradicate Al Qaida and Hezbollah, too.

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Paul Hudson — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:17:21 GMT

The Marines were part of 1st Battalion 8th Marine Regiment, not 1/6. They were asked there by the UN becasue the LEbanese were killing each other. Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East before they started shooting each other.

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(John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:18 GMT

Why is attacking foreign troops on one's soil terrorism?

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Eldon, 29 Palms, Ca — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:19:38 GMT

The battalion was 1st Battalion of the 8th Marines, not 1/6.

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Azhar Baig — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:20:18 GMT

Stop associating Islam with these acts. Forty years from now there might be a title in some news paper that forty years ago christian and right wing fundamantalist invadded and massacered thousands in Iraq fabricating the charges and lying knowing they were lying.Donot associate relegion with politics. This is not a good way to sell stories.

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Scott, Chicago, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:20:47 GMT

I would remind my Christian and Jewish friends that no religion has a monopoly on terrorism. In fact, Islam would have to continue killing for the next century to match what their Christian cousins have accomplished in the past 50 years. Islamic nations/peoples didn't start WWi or WWII, majority Christian nations did leading to the deaths of over 100 million people. Ask a Japanese civilian from Hiroshima or Nagsaki what their view of terrorism is. Ask the Palestinian refugees from Sabra and Shatilla. No, Islam has as much to do with terrorism as intelligence has to do with politics.

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M H — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:21:23 GMT

As much as I respect your sharing your experience, I must say that most readers will arrive to the end of this article with a very skewed and warped view of Beirut and the Lebanese people. I am an American Lebanese living in Beirut, who is Christian and who has plenty of Muslim friends. No one I know supports terrorism and most of the educated people I know actually support the US and favor a peace with Israel versus terrorism. There are terrorists in every society, but that doesn't mean that society is a terrorist.

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Buphagus, NY, NY — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:21:50 GMT

Did the US overreact in sending its Constitution Class Frigates against the Barbary States and the Ottoman Empire?

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Mike Nelson Bethel CT — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:26:00 GMT

I was there as a young navy sailor aboard the USS Concord, Althought my part in it was small it gives me healing that some still remember. Thank You

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Eleanor, New York, NY — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:28:20 GMT

Today is the anniversary of a very sad act, which unfortunately has repeated itself way too often! Im tired of the world hating us just because we are Americans and because of the mistakes of our leaders! No country deserves what happened here on Sept. 11, but let us not use that as an excuse to continue commiting atrocities around the world! Do not get me wrong, I will always be proud to live in the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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anonymous — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:31:22 GMT

Chilling recount Mr. Maceda,

I was 22 then, in a shelter in East Beirut, a christian district, hiding with all my friends and neighbors, packed in the shelter without water and electricity. We had hope then.

We were all calculating how long it would take the "great Reagan administration" that we, as christian Lebanese loved, to retaliate and attack the perpetrators of this act. We, naively were trying to estimate the strength of the fleet in the Mediteranean, the time difference between the US and Lebanon and eagerly waiting for the US reply.
Nothing!!!! Emptimess!!! Sadness.
Instead an overnite withdrawal of all US troops from Labanon!!!!!!!!

Had the US retaliated then, maybe Hizbollah would have never existed. Maybe terorism would have been weakened somehow, maybe my country would have continued to exist as the Paris of the Middle East.

Believe it or not, we cried at the sight of the US and french soldiers bodies but we also cried even more at the realization, in 1983, that the US is weak has already lost its war on terror

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David, Yuma, Az — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:32:14 GMT

BLT 1/8 not 1/6.

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aaron Christopher Atlanta GA — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:32:32 GMT

I was stationed at Camp Lejune as a Corpsman and my batallion 2/2 was on air alert. I was assigned to weapons patoon we we in the process of loading the bus to fly over to Lebannon when My name was called "Hey Doc go to Headquaters platoon. Within 48 hours half of weapons platoon were Killed. I'm deeply sadden and Because Iwas suppose to be in that barracks on that date

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Trevor King, Houston, Texas — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:32:35 GMT

I sat one night on a chartered bus in early November 1983, a high schooler on a class trip to DC, parked in the lot adjacent to the Iwo Jima memorial. A few of my fellow students and I watched from the slightly fogged windows the families of the fallen soldiers approach their designated American flag placed about the memorial, in honor of their fallen family member. It was as powerful as it was heart-wrenching. I was fifteen years old. It feels like only yesterday, this vision, this permanently burned memory. It will always be that way, as it is purposefuly my duty as an American, never to forget their sacrifice.

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Gregg N, Mooresville, NC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:32:51 GMT

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. G.S.

I was motivated by a Marine who lost his life that day to become a Marine. LCPL Timothy McNeely

The only reason a Marine is called to action is under orders, because someones FREEDOM is being challenged. So FREE WORLD, sleep well tonight knowing that there is a Marine standing guard for your FREEDOM to have a good nights sleep.
Semper Fidelis

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Evonne Stavrojohn, Coconut Creek, FL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:33:21 GMT

The Marines have never forgotten and will never forget. I can't remember the highway outside of Camp LeJeune but trees are planted in the median; one for each of those Marines..........tree after tree after tree. God rest their souls and may the rest of us never forget either.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

iftakhar malik — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:33:44 GMT

Did religion play any part when Mr.Begin the deceased ex prime minister of Israel helped in Farooq hotel bombing in 1940's or IRA bombing for 30 years or Oklahoma bombing or the MUJAHIDEEN in Afghanistan against Russians? I do not recall the terms being used as Jewish terrorist-Christian terrorist.The western media uses the term "Islamic terrorist" when the crime is done against the West or its Allies'interest to stroke hate against Islam and Muslims..

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Sue, NY, NY — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:33:49 GMT

Unbelievable, a war is going on in Lebanon and you refer to this bombing on military personnel as an act of terrorism? Why? Because it happened to American soldiers?
And was not the Iraqi war guided by God according to Bush? So is this Christian terrorism?
There has never been concrete evidence on which of the many factions fighting in Lebanon did this bombing. Please research the history on this war properly before stating that this bombing (during a war) is America's first islamist terrorist attack. Inform yourself first!

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Robert Gainesville, FL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:34:02 GMT

We have radical Christian sects in the USA and ALL media correctly assiciated the role religion played.

Remember Waco and the Branch Davidians? This was a "faith based" group. Anyone ever heard of the KKK? Another group vailed by it's church. YES there were Klan churches! Christian Patriots Defense League or even the Jewish Defense League. All groups named have committed acts of terror in the name of God, and all were reported as such.

Facts are facts and they are usually reported fairly. This is radical Islam's war is it not? If not, someone tell Osama to stop using the term as well!!

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Matthew Hendrick, Salem, Oregon — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:34:34 GMT

I remember very well. A good childhood friend of mine was one of the marines killed in the explosion. It is a shame that the memories of these people are fading in the United States. Long live the memories!

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

John, Houston, TX — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:36:46 GMT

1/8, was the marine unit there on that fateful day. I was in the unit that relieved them after our beach op in Grenada. W/2/8, 81'S PLT. Semper Fi to all my bros from ITS who went to 1/8.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Jack, Lansing, MI — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:38:01 GMT

I was in Lebanon shortly after the bombings. What I was hearing from Christian Lebanese (I am agnostic and am a US citizen born abroad, Lebanon) was that before the bombing, US warships were firing their guns toward the Lebanese coast using blanks. Also,the fact is that the marines, even security, on base were carrying unloaded weapons. Decisions made at the top contributed to the death of so many marines.
We have this idea that through "shock and awe" we can scare the Middle East into submission. People in the Middle East are accustomed to those events such as those taken place on 9/11/2001 that would shock or scare us.
Our show of strength with the surge of troops into Iraq is not what is helping the situation. It is the millions of dollars we are paying the insurgents to sit on their hands. Just before Obama takes office the Bush administration plans on stopping the payments. We will quickly see a return to chaos and the Republicans will point their fingers at Obama.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Worried American — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:38:21 GMT

Danny from Earlier. So you are saying people like GW and McCain is the reason we have terrorism? So if guys like this weren't around all of these groups that commit these acts would Love America and Love what we stand for? Very nieve and narrow minded

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Robert Gainesville, FL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:42:34 GMT

Scott "Ask a Japanese civilian from Hiroshima or Nagasaki what their view of terrorism is."

They might have a view you're expecting. The Japanese people terrorized much of Asia before the "sleeping giant" was rattled from it's slumber. China's population was raped and it's children murdered where they slept. In recent years, only, Japan has offered apologies for it's actions. There is still A LOT of mistrust and tension between the two.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Jesse M — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:43:46 GMT

The Final Inspection
The Marine stood and faced God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining,
Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, Marine,
how shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My Church have you been true?"

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't.
Because those of us who carry guns,
Can't always be a saint.

Ive had to work most Sundays,
And at times my talk was tough.
And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep...
Though I worked a lot of overtime,
When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.
And sometimes, God, forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,
Among the people here.
The never wanted me around,
Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord,
It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand.

Ther was a silence all around the throne,
Where the saints had often trod.
As the Marine waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you Marine,
You've borne your burdens well.
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell."
~Author Unknown~

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

bake33 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:43:53 GMT

this post is to remember all my fallen brothers!!!
if you want to argue religion/history take it elsewhere!!! Semper Fi bros
Golf Co 2/6

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Susan, chicago, IL — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46:14 GMT

What a biased title this article has. I'd love to see the comments posted if someone wrote an article and titled it: "Crusades--the start of Christian terrorism...it hasn't stopped since" Are we associating the terror and horror our country causes other nations with Christianity? I sure hope not. So we must not associate these acts with islam.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Virgil Young, Philadelphia, PA. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:49:23 GMT

I can not believe it's been 25 years since that truck bomb hit the BLT. It was a sad day for my military life experience. I'm a former Marine that was station in Beriut Lebanon in 1983. Never and I mean never do I forget the bomb blast that rip the BLT from a 3 to 4 story up , to being flat on the ground. Never forget an Officer telling me that we are going to take every one of our Marines home...We will not leave Beruit until everyone of our dead was home safe. We worked night and day until this was completed. GOD bless my fallen Marines and their families..
OORAH Semper FI..

Cpl. Virgil Young

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

DWF, Baker, La — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:52:19 GMT

Stationed on USS Paul(FF-1080) Lost a classmate in the explosion. Many times we witnessed the numerous factions firing at each other. Our mission was confusing because no one could identify which of the factions who was friend or foe. The same problem exsits toady in Iraq.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

tom spataro — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:53:53 GMT

i was a 21 yr old marine with 2nd battalion 8th marines 2nd marine division fox company back in 1983. we were the first to land and set up the area. this was before that day i'll never forget. i carried an m-60 machinegun and at the time was very pround to be where i was. even if it meant taking cold showers from a hose and eatting mre's. to my surpirse i was asked if i would vol. to stay with the 1/6 as i understood they were short a few gunners when they came to relieve us. i had thought i'd seen enough when a fellow marine commited sucide infront of us, all because of a girlfriend wanting someone closer to home. seeing marines buying a pepsi from a local and finding out it was boobytrapped. i declined saying i wanted to be home for christmas... guess i was thinking of just myself and not my fellow marines at the time.
anyhow...my thoughts will always be with the men and women who gave there lifes just so i could be home for a christmas 25 yrs ago...and now they wont be.
theres a memorial at camp lejune n.c. for these beruit vets... i hope anyone who gets a chance to stop by it...put your hand on it and say a prayer for them chance ...stop by there and say thank you for your sacrific... i and the rest of us that made it home would be thankful for that alone

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Lori, E.Hartford, CT — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:53:55 GMT

Steven Tingley may your soul rest in peace and your memory live on!!!One of our soldiers who died in the tragic bombing of the barracks.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Fonso, Charleston, S.C. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:54:57 GMT

Til this day, I beleive if I had stayed in the Marine Corps for my 20 years, I would have been in that barracks, because that year and month would have been my 19th year to the month.
My God bless them all. This was not only a terrorist act, but a coward way to fight.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Hashem, Raleigh, NC — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:55:15 GMT

Islam only played the role of a sedative for the bombers. But their main objective was political and had nothing to do with religion.

The bombings never would have happened if the US had taken a nutral possition in the conflict.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

peter Franzoni — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:55:43 GMT

I was an Active Duty Marine reservist then and remember that day vividly. I cried in my living room as I saw the horrific images and increasing death toll on TV. I remember Reagan vowing to retaliate against the attacks, but that never happened. So much for the premise that Republicains are stronger on defence then the Democrats. I believe that indifference set the stage for future attacks against the US. Semper Fi. Peter Franzoni

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Family member of the forgotten, Herrin Illinois — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:56:24 GMT

If you want to see the impact of the marine barracks bombing, you should take a trip to the memorial wall. It is located outside the main gate at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina . There was not a day that went by that my late husband (a deceased Active Duty US Marine) wouldn't go by the the wall and say hello to his friends he lost on that day October 23, 1983(he was one of the lucky ones who survived the bombing).I am glad that someone else remembers

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

jbond — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:57:14 GMT

It is always good to remember and honor those that have died to serve and protect their country. I would speculate that terrorism most likely began before recorded history.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Scott Mc Nulty Jersey City, NJ — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:07 GMT

I was in Parris Island S.C. when this happened. My D.I. wheeled a tv into the middle of the squad bay and we sat and watched the smoldering rubble and listened to the newscast. Bad day for our beloved Corps. Platoon 1106

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Thomas Crane, Nashville, TN — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:00:14 GMT

I was a senior at Calumet High School on this day and lost a friend, Cpl. Danny Estes, Gary, Indiana. I remember the sadness and anger we felt. I enlisted two weeks later. I would just want his family to know that while it has been 25 years, there is someone thinking about Danny and all the Marines killed that day. God Bless them and their families.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Cynthia Isabella Gustaf - Boustani — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:02:18 GMT

How can I forget that day. I lost a brother.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

jbond — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:09:25 GMT

My prayers are with those that are presently serving in the middle east hotspot. May God protect them and bring them home safely.

Beirut attack: The start of Islamic terrorism

Tom, Crofton, MD — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:09:54 GMT

Thank you for remembering what happened that day. I was there with the Navy when the embassy was blown up and had visited the barracks. I think we have been quick to forget what happened there. All those Marines should never be forgotten.

The Beirut embassy and barracks bombings were when the terror war against us began. We just didn't realize it at the time.