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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:29:58 GMT

We need to show the world that we have moved beyiond the days of the KKK, no matter how much the repugnant ones try to keep it like the old days of white supremacy. Heck we need to show ourselves that we have evolved beyond the old hate crowd that the repugnant ones still cling to.

Time for a new kind of leadership in the White House, an honest approach that McNasty can never provide but Obama can.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!

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Jay, NYC — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:35:22 GMT

It's a sad commentary that it's newsworthy that white people support a Black man. In 2008, we should not be a surprised that Black people AND white people support Sen. Obama. We should expect the world to support a well educated, polished, experienced, and composed leader.

And since we're on the subject of race, I'd like to point out that Kansas is the birthplace of Sen. Obama's mother. The world views Sen. Obama as "Black," which is fine. But let's not forget that he is equally of Anglo descent as he is African. In fact, he was raised by his white relatives. So his "race" should not define him; his character should.

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Nikelo, Jo'burg, South Africa — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:35:58 GMT

Spot on guys, we want change too! It is up to the Americans though, but rest you assured those Republicans, especially Pres Bush did your country no good guys... We don't respect you anymore. A lot of work needs to be done to resore your international credibility... Good luck.

Lastly, I read somewhere one of Mr McCain's managers taking a swipe at Mr Obama's failure to "rescue his poor relatives" from poverty in Kenya... Geez! What a nerve! Can anyone stoop so low! Begs the question: Would he say that about an American family in the midst of an election in these dire economic times? Methinks not.. Shame on him to use a defenceless poor family for political expediency.

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Augustine — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:38:12 GMT

It is not only tasting the fruits of a black president but showing the world that balcks also have brains; contrarily to what some conservatives would have us believe. Also, Obama's election will help bring together all minds and resources in the world to fuster world peace and prsoperity. George W. Bush squandered the wealth and budget surpluses on the war in Iraq and sewed seeds of discord above and beyond what any other U.S president had done.

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Sandra, Cape Town, Western Cape — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:47:57 GMT

It should read 'educated South Africans'. I speak to my domestic worker about politics regularly (as she always has some insightful comments) and she didn't even know that there was a black man running for President in the US which I am sure is true of a large majority of South African's.

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fsilber, Memphis, Tennessee — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:57:45 GMT

"Many Americans appear reticent about discussing race, preferring not to mention the subject at all, or speaking in carefully coded phrases where the true meaning of what is meant is obvious, but difficult to pin down in an exact sense." -- What on earth are you talking about? That "coded phrases" idea is nothing more than a Leftist invention so that conservatives who support the rejection of White Supremacy could be accused of racism nonetheless.

For example, the call for "States' Rights" by Nixon and Reagan was not an appeal to racism, as partisan Democrats continue to claim, but rather was an assertion that, though federal suppression of state-mandated racial segregation was accepted, the federal government should encroach on the power of the individual states no further.

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It_is_I — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:58:06 GMT

If the majority of S. Africans (Black and White) realize Obama is the best choice for presidnet, then why can't we...?

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ali — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:59:34 GMT

Obama will be good pres for everybody

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Joe bean — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:11:00 GMT

What a surprise!

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GregC, Wappingers Falls, NY — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:18:09 GMT

yes, its time in the USA to have a different face in the white house. I am ready for a change. I am ready to "W" get out of the white house, along with Cheney, Rice and the others. They have systematically ruined this country. Bring on Obama! I too don't care what color the president is, just as long as he or she gets the job done!

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GENE, WOODWARD OKLAHOMA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:23:12 GMT

WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS!

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Terry W. Reed, Alvin, Texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:24:58 GMT

Most of the people I am around, at work or at home, are all concerned with the general Marxism flavor of the Obama platform. We foresee difficult times for Americans, less rights, more government, more tax. I will vote for personal freedoms everytime.

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gene — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:33:31 GMT

it is plain that this site is pro obama! post something to the contrary and it will not be displayed! (this is to the moderators and not expected to be posted!) i now have no farther use for msnbc!

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Trent Schafer, Madison WI — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:34:21 GMT

George Bush has done more for Africa then any other President in US history, yet you are supporting a Democrat? WOW!

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gene — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:34:43 GMT

scratch that last message!

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johndoe, seattle was — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:37:39 GMT

What they don't realize is all american politicians are the worst crooks in the world they just found a legal way to rip people off.

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Miller, Austin, Texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:41:00 GMT

Why does race have anything to do with it?!? If Obama doesn't win the election, how does that mean America isn't "ready for a black president"? Maybe he's just not the right one? Does anyone really believe that everyone who supports McCain is racist? If Obama loses this election, there will be a huge outcry or "racism" which is narrow-minded and pointless. It has to do with the man and his politics/ideals/beliefs, not the color of his skin!

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pinero,j miami — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:43:31 GMT

who cares? obama or mccain will just think for themselves

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Audrey Thompson, Alexandria, LA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:45:48 GMT

WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS!
GENE, WOODWARD OKLAHOMA (Sent Monday, October 20, 2008 11:23 AM)

Very easy to say "Gene of Woodward Oklahoma" -but, don't you realize that what happens here in the United States will effect the world?! Grow up and educate yourself, before you make stupid idiotic statements... Barack is the BEST person for America whereas McCain/Lame/Shame/Pain is just what his name signifies.

GOBAMA/BIDEN

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Jen Columbus, OH — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:46:03 GMT

No Gene... YOU could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Some of us realize that our standing in the world is important... that to get anything done in the modern world, you need cooperation. I think an Obama Presidency would be important for one very specific reason... It would change the tone of American foreign policy from one of "might is right" to the more humble one befitting a nation that has ignored its own shortcomings and its own domestic problems for far too long.

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Rebs — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:49:10 GMT

Yes, I dont care who is president, I have my vote and it will be cast, neither man is the best person for the job, and they truley have no power with on congressional consent. But non Americans, who post on here, mind your own buisness and keep your opinion to yourself, i have traveled all over the world and I have witness first hand the benefits that we give away to countries who cant take care of themselves, i call it global welfare. The economy will be up and down and mistakes will be made, but the rest of the world will make its mistakes too, but as you do the US will be there to help for what ever reason we keep doing that.

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Lilly, Jackson, Ms — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:49:41 GMT

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Katzgar, Shoreline, WA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:49:56 GMT

Gene. Your statement is naive and foolish. We need to work together on this planet and if the US is going to continue to play a leadership role it obviously matters very much what other countries think of us. The fact that Bush didnt get that is just another example of what a moron he is.

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Arturo, Chicago, Ill. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:50:00 GMT

It appears that the comments from Africans favor having Obama as President. ACORN must be working there too. Let's buy Obama a one way ticket to Africa and let him preside there. Let him "spread the wealth" in Kenya. It would be great if he would take Pelosi and Reid with him.

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Debbie, New Windsor MD — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:50:12 GMT

Gene from Oklahoma: We live in a global society. Believe it or not, other countries pay very close attention to what happens in the U.S. And most of us Americans DO care about the opinions of others. If we expect to maintain our position as the World Leader, we must be able to count on the support of other countries. Open your eyes and see the big picture- we do not live in a box.

OBAMA 08!!!!

VOTE

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Laura, Orlanod, FL — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:52:02 GMT

"WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS!"

That's interesting.....hmm....why should we care... let me think....does 9/11 ring a bell? The problem is that we don't care enough. So when you say this, speak for yourself. I for one do care because it is our standing in the world and how they see us that determines if there will be another 9/11. We need to show the world that we care not just about ourselves, but about the future of all.

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Katzgar, Shoreline, WA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:52:25 GMT

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Ellington Carson, Boston, MA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:53:22 GMT

Sounds as though U.S. welfare checks and food stamps are headed to South Africa,...and all that "change you can count on" is coming straight out of your hard-earned income. Nevermind the 2008 outcome; let's see what happens to the congressional makeup come 2010 after the reality of socialist Osama's true agenda takes hold. Get the ball rolling now for Osama's impeachment.

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Mary, Atlanta, GA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:54:21 GMT

For Fsilber in Tennessee who doesnt understand code phrases designed to mask racism and incite fear in the white population. Phrases such as "He is not like us", He's gonna spread the wealth, The new welfare, all that is designed to reinforce the white fear of blacks taking something from them (just like under Jim Crow) If a black or poor person gets a leg up somehow all white people lose. There is a definition of Insanity widely known " It is doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result" It time we are all judged as Americans we share this country, we share the glory, shame and the pain as Americans.

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Aaron Phillips — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:55:49 GMT

The fact is, the United States has consistently attempted to bring democracy to the world and has fought despots. We have not been perfect, but I would like for our readers to name one country that has spent as much of its American lives and treasure defeating the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and others. Our country was started by people of white European descent, who created one of the most amazing politican systems in the history of mankind, a system that eventually led to this historical point, we have a presidential candidate (who would be considered white in most of Africa) who has black ancestary. He is a Marxist

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Mary Bailey — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:00:49 GMT

Gene wood OK. Thats the kind of devilish attitude we must rid ourselves of quickly...

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Lilly, Jackson,MS — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:04:59 GMT

Ellington Carson, Boston, MA; Arturo, Chicago, Ill;and Gene
Take a good look at your jewelry collection. That came from their sweat and in some cases libs and lives.
If my money goes to people in need, that are going in mines every day for next to nothing pay, and don't have the resources to do any better that is fine with me. I would whether it go to them than people that are here with unlimited opportunities that are setting at home all day doing nothing, for example, some of your relatives.

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Rob, Castro Valley, CA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:12:29 GMT

Gene ingenuously commented: "WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS!"

Globalization is here for starters, and working with other countries DOES matter even if you keep your head in the ground like an Ostrich.

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crystal, ny, ny — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:16:15 GMT

It is a GLOBAL society. If you are so narrow minded to think that whatever the US does only affects the US or what other countries do only affects them then what about the AIDS epidemic? What about our economy? China is buying BILLIONS of dollars worth of stocks in the US as well as lending us BILLIONS!\

As for those who say Obama will support wellfare and give "wellfare checks and foodstamps to Africa"....do you realize that with his plans LESS people will be on public assistance? He will create more jobs, give the lower class tax breaks (those who need the assistance). Under Republicans, expect more job loss, no increase in pay, and the same bums who are on loafing off of wellfare (there are many who need it) to stay there because it's easier, especially if there are no jobs to be had!

I really think anyone voting for McCain is not educated enough...read a book, read an article, read something so you're not so ignorant.

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Chitangi ,Atlanta — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:17:28 GMT

This is a very interesting year for America,I never thought I would live to experience what getting ready to happen on NoV 4 !!Congratulations Pres.Obama.

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Russ Green Bay WI — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:18:16 GMT

Here it is folks the number one reason people all over the world want Obama as President is bc of his race. In Europe they say it will be the end of racism in America. In the Middle East they say he will be a peace maker. In Africa they see he will identify with them though they forget Bush has spent 17 billion there. Like it or not race is the number one reason. To be fair I believe Obama will be fine but I worry about his spreading the wealth comment. I also worry about a Democratic super power. This happened under Republicans and it was a disaster. Balance is good, and this country cannot afford a single minded government. It needs to be diverse.

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Thokozile, Leesburg, VA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:22:44 GMT

I am a South African. Much as I hated apartheid, let me remind you what happened to South Africa when apartheid ended. It was amazing! Everything went downhill from there! The medical system went downhill (the president blamed AIDS on poverty, said it was not caused by the HIV virus. Good grief!), the education system went downhill - last I heard you only need 25% to pass a class, unless you attend an institution where they can't fail you, which is also common. Imagine going to see a doctor who only needed 25% to pass medical school! Unemployment skyrocketed! A wonderful country to live in.

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Karl Kettler — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:21 GMT

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Nathan Hale, New Jersey — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:35 GMT

Sorry Nikelo, but South Africa's opinion of the US matters very little to roughly 50% of the CITIZENS of the United States. What does matter to us is the BILLIONS of OUR tax dollars hard at work being wasted trying to correct the behavior on YOUR continent that has wiped out millions of people through the spread of HIV/AIDS. That's MILLIONS of your people; which is a lot more harmful to the planet than my country's low-intensity and contained war in Iraq. Your respect/goodwill is not something we care about -- even though we are trying to save your contient from itself. However, you are welcome for my hard-earned taxe dollars. Enjoy!

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Liz, Minnesota — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:31:32 GMT

Spot on Ellington. Couldn't agree more.
Also, It's obvious that the most racist folks are the Obama supporters. Voting for the man simply because he is black, is no better than voting against him for the same reason.

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Carla, Lancaster,OH — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:31:50 GMT

I find it so interesting that those who practise hatred for others past are the very ones who support McCain/Palin. You know, I am sick to death of those who call themselves christian conservatives and then support a party whose whole campaign consists of lies and smears. Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbot,thous shalt not commit adultery, seems to mean nothing to those who support him and his token choice for VP. With Palins terrorist cries and being found quilty of abuse of power do you really believe that you can call yourself a christian and vote for them? I am flabbergasted!!! And what does your God require of you? Micah 6:8 Be fair, love mercy and walk humbly with your God. This only happens because they have no plan to save america...just a bunch of old tired rhetoric.

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Michael, Seattle, WA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:32:46 GMT

Gene, You are setting yourself up for the reeducation camp. You and Joe the Plumber if he or you say one more thing critical of Obama.

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Mike — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:32:50 GMT

Those of you who don't care what the world thinks of us would do best to learn from Einstein who said: "It is best to be silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". As it were, when the Middle Eastern countries view as favorably, less of our troops get killed and gas prices go down. When Israel they feel secure and don't do things to further destabilize the region because they have faith in our leadership, when China views us favoribly they loan us money so you can get your tax incentive check and invest in our companies and workforce, when Europe views as favorably they participate in global initiatives as staunch allies so we don't have to fight alone (Iraq and Afganistan ring a bell?), when Russia views as favorably they don't puff their chests and invade other countries, when the WORLD views us favorably they know that stability and leadership has been restored and the world rotates with that much less wobble. So, keep on not caring what others think about us. I wish I could afford that same level of ignorance as you...it would indeed be blissful.

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Mel Foster — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:34:24 GMT

America needs McPalin not the bamboozle that is being thrust upon us in Obama.

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Eric, Portland, Maine — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:35:55 GMT

Terry W. Reed, Alvin, Texas wrote "Most of the people I am around, at work or at home, are all concerned with the general Marxism flavor of the Obama platform."
You, Terry, are one of those people who have let the conservative right dupe you into the belief that Democratic Socialism is the same as Communism. I suggest you look up the history. Karl Marx's beliefs which are termed generally as "Marxism" are actually the basis for Communism, not Socialism. There is a big difference between Communism and Socialism. If you think providing healthcare to all or trying to bring the lower to middle class up a bit in financial standings is either then you are indeed stupid.

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Cynthia, Atlanta GA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:37:13 GMT

WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS

I see where you are coming from. While it matters, when was the last time you as an American were asked who should be Prime Minister, or President of some country in Africa? While the U.S. relationship with other countries matter, I think it is hardly necessary or even relevant to ask people in other counties who they think should be the next U.S. President.

and...
Grow up and educate yourself, before you make stupid idiotic statements... Barack is the BEST person for America whereas McCain/Lame/Shame/Pain is just what his name signifies.

What is this....Grow up...Barack is BEST...isn't that why we live America, so we can decide for ourselves and not have others opinions forced upon us or have someone else tell us what is best for us. But, if Barack is elected, get ready, there will be so much government intervention telling us all what to do we will look more socialist than democratic!

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Dawn Crigger — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:37:24 GMT

I think that is great that people of Africa support Obama, but they do not live in America and who cares what they think. If they think Obama is so great, let him go there and rule their country. We want and need someone who knows what he is doing to run our country. There should be no on the job training for President. Africa you can have him.

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David, San Antonio, TX — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:38:13 GMT

For Gene and others. America is always meddling in other countries. Panama, Grenada, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, just to name a few. Given the nature of the world economy, why should not people in other countries be concerned about what happens in the USA? You should travel more.

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kellyn31 — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:39:02 GMT

I do not like either side calling the other racists. If you vote for Barak, I hope you vote bacause you believe in him - not because he's black. And the same for McCain voters - vote for McCain because you belive in him - not because Barak is black. And for those of you who say that people who don't vote for Barak are racists -shame on you - Some may vote for McCain because Barak is black - but the same will be true that some will vote for Barak simply because he is black. Let race out of this, and quit trying to nit-pick every one's words to claim "racism"...is childish on BOTH sides to be so claim racism where non exists!!!

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Texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:40:35 GMT

OMG will you stop already highlighting what other countries think about who should win the election, its not up to them and who cares what someone from egypt or South AFrica thinks anyway. Its our country its up to us. What these articles have shown us is how ungrateful some of these other countries truly are with repect to how much aid and help this country has given them in theh past, and present. Bunch of whinney ingrates, sound like a bunch of Obama supporter asking what the country can do for them and not what they can do for their country.

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Paul St. John, Philadelphia, PA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:41:36 GMT

Reading the comments by Ellington Carson tells me that we need to focus on education in the US. In his circles, critical thinking skills are lost. The most respected Americans, such as Warren Buffet, Paul Volcker and Colin Powell back Obama. Just as Colin Powell indicated yesterday, Obama is the type of President that we need at this time--an educated, thoughtful, decisive and steady leader! These characteristics set a great example for all of us.

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Crystal Lakeland FL — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:42:33 GMT

It is useless to leave a message here if you are not an Obama follower. Save yourself sometime writing and just gp vote for McCain.

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TWS — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:43:11 GMT

I applaud Arturo in Chicago. Spot-on.

I am a veteran and have served 3 tours overseas. I know what it is like to represent our country outside of its borders. However, I see classic liberal hand-wringing in a few of the posts here. Yes, our image abroad does matter, but sometimes you need to stop whining "what is wrong with us and ask: if they don't like us, what is wrong with THEM?"

Obamamania has sucked the pragmatism right out of a lot of brains. This (very) junior Senator would fail Economics 101. Are you guys sure you want him running the show? Oh sure, he's "cool" and "other countries like him". Go ahead and vote for him, you will reap what you sow. No one has ever taxed their way out of a recession, but Obama thinks he can be the first. No thanks. I'd rather not participate in your socialist experiment.

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J (19), Anchorage, Alaska — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:43:27 GMT

Does anyone even realize how solialist-leaning Barack Obama is????? Seriously, the majority of the people supporting him are naive, and ignorant to the fact that they are supporting a person, along with his wife, who speak words almost identical to radicals and have many of the smae ideas that are steps twards socialism! Like someone said above, vote for personal freedoms, Obama/Biden will just take a lot of those away...We DO have the right to have these freedoms you know???

and in response to everyone attacking "Gene." I think what he or she is trying to say is that we don't need other countries who have constantly benefitted from the U.S to try and influence a nation's choice. Like them, we have a choice, let us make it whether it be a mistake or not! They're getting our money regardless of who runs the country. For those of you who think we are worse off than some places, look up Third World Countries like those in Africa and tell me if you can even make a slight comparison.

In regards this article, racism is no longer a major public issue, like with anything these days, the street now goes both ways!! Lets move on from this.

Rights, Freedom and Choice for me the next 8 years. McCain/Palin!

Obama supporters please get beyond naivity. Stop looking past the policies/plans of him by thinking you are hearing the voice of an angel. Remember that he has plans for not just the country, but the world and that is a radicalist and socialist idea. This has nothing to do with race, gender. It is politics and if you would look at he facts, look at the past and present, you too would realize how much better off we'd be in a McCain administration. STOP trying to run against a president who has already served his terms!

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Jack Taylor — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:47:02 GMT

don't pay any attention to Gene from Woodward Oklahoma, he's not too bright.
I'm from Oklahoma, born and raised and we are good people.

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SeanP, California — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:47:58 GMT

"Most of the people I am around, at work or at home, are all concerned with the general Marxism flavor of the Obama platform. We foresee difficult times for Americans, less rights, more government, more tax. I will vote for personal freedoms everytime."
Terry W. Reed, Alvin, Texas

"It appears that the comments from Africans favor having Obama as President. ACORN must be working there too. Let's buy Obama a one way ticket to Africa and let him preside there. Let him "spread the wealth" in Kenya. It would be great if he would take Pelosi and Reid with him."
Arturo, Chicago, Ill.

Can we say racist coding??? First to Terry you obviously have no clue "Marxism" actually it would be Marxist ideology, which has nothing to do with what you might have intended to say which would have been "Socialist" had you had a few collegiate classes in Political Science you would know the obvious differences...Oh is that a crystal ball in your hand or the clarity of empty space in your brain...You "foresee difficult times," what are you a clairvoiant, wait that would be impossible since you dwelling in one of the most religious areas in the country and well unless we havent read from the same scriptures...clairvoyance is against Christian beliefs am I right. Besides you need to get a clue...wait make that a capital C, L, U, E...we are in difficult times, every since W, let Cheney direct decisions and lie to the American people about an illegal war...if we were any other country that invade the soverign soil of another nation would be hunting that governments leaders down as war criminals...think about it

And for you Mr. Illinois man, have you ever heard of Liberia, America in its shame sent thousands of black Americans to that country with with thought we (White America will make up for our sins and send black children born into slavery back to a land they can call their own...) sounds like another racist coded statement...Obama is no more African than he is any less a White American as well. He is an intelligent band that has both the white and black culture to draw both his strengths and weakness from or did you forget his mother, grandmother and grandfather were white and he was raised by them in Kansas! Get a clue bud, and take your head out of your a$#

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Joe Kid Texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:48:50 GMT

Really, no one really cares what someone from another country thinks about the election. They all hate or dislike us anyway, always have even before George W Bush. We have spent billions of dollars not to metion the lives of soldiers/diplomats/businesspersons/advisors etc.. helping most of these countries and they are still whinning like a welfare mama. They don't mind sucking off of the teat of uncle sam, so they should keep their mouth occupied by sucking and keep from talking. As Winston Churchill once said , leave it to the Americans to try everythiing first before doing the right thing. Key thing to remember is we ain't perfect but at least we try, not like most of the worthless European nations, like France.

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Michael, Dallas, Texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:08 GMT

WE COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!
TRY MEDDLING IN YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND STAY OUT OF OURS!
GENE, WOODWARD OKLAHOMA
First of all, I am a veteran. It is important what the rest of the world thinks about us. I have traveled throughout the world in the past years and we are hated by so many countries. We were even advised not to walk on certain streets because they hated Americans mainly because of Bush.
I talked to some of them and explained that my views were in no ways the same as his and that a lot of Americans hated him more than they did. They also commented on the invasion of Iraq. I too feel that it is a senseless war and that Bush and any person that supports this war are @$$holes. We need someone to straighten out this mess and that can improve our image with other countries. I feel Obama would do that.

I'm a combat veteran as well and my opinion of your opinions are horse hockey. Perhaps you hate President Bush and believe the war in Iraq is senseless but you don't have people shooting at you while in your home. I haven't seen a roadside bomb go off here in America lately. If Obama is elected and all the change he is talking about doesn't happen will all you dems finally face the facts that you have it pretty good even if you are unwilling to help this great country?

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Simon T, Princeton NJ — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:15 GMT

A correction: America is NOT the world's "oldest constitutional democracy". America is a Constitutional Republic. There is a difference. Feel free to look it up.

Basically people seem to like Obama either because:

A: He's black (partly) and they regard being black (even partly) as a positive thing over being white. This is unarguably racism. Don't like that observation? Too bad. Pretend I just said being white was better. Ahh! Now you see it! Good.

B: He's not George W Bush or John McCain. Granted they are terrible in many ways. But is Obama better? Will his agenda drive America further into debt? Into more wars? Does he flipflop on issues (like Iran/FISA/funding/negative campaigning, etc)? Does he sabre rattle (consider his comments on Afghanistan, Iran and Darfur)? Does he show even a glimmer of economic understanding with a regime of heavy spending, more regulation and tax increases?

If America continues its economic decline, as I'm quite certain it will under an Obama presidency, don't expect those "fruits" to taste very sweet.

Change is definitely needed. But be careful what you wish for. Consider Bob Barr as a true alternative to the status quo. And btw, he's rumored to be part black also.

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JAY, DC — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:50:32 GMT

Once again ... campaign after campaign ... the Republican "PUPPETS" are at it again. You all say the same programmed BULL. If one thing doesn't work to your favor, you switch up to some other programmed rhetoric. Try being independent thinkers. Do you believe that stupid stuff you say? Compare the candidates. This time you've met your match. You've got an INTELLIGENT (CUM LAUDE grad)CANDIDATE, RICH CANDIDACY (raised $150 Mil in Sept. ALONE) and the WORLD on his side. He is playing by the rules set by the cheating republicans of the past 2 terms. Why don't you guys just bend over and grin and bear it ... LOL!

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karen willis, chattanooga, TN — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:52:42 GMT

Why is it that many remarks said, "like welfare and spreading the wealth" the Democrats call racist remarks????? Seems they are always using that term "racism" when they can't answer a charge!!!!! It's NOT just blacks who receive welfare, or don't the Demos know that????? I am NOT for spreading the wealth, killing babies, fraudulent voting, etc. I am scared to death of what is in store for our country with Obama. Can't believe that is has been made into racial though!!!! 90 percent of blacks are voting for him. What if 90 percent of whites voted for Mccain??? See, I think it is "racial" that 90 percent of blacks are voting for Obama~!! It is a scary, scary world!!! Socialism at it's worst is what we will see!!! Do some of you people simply NOT believe in workign and actually EARNING your way in life...Blows my mind to think that we are going to have a leader who is going to "take away" from someone who works and "give freely" to someone who does not!!!!!

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P stanford — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:58:11 GMT

just another distortion of perception. African citizens think the republicans rule: Did they miss the part where the dems are in control of the congress, senate and the house of representatives. hummm

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mike — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:59:14 GMT

I would sure hate to be McCain or anyone who worked for him when this is over.
Obama may be a nice guy now but.....

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tui smith, fort bragg, ca — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:59:22 GMT

Aaron Phillips:
Not only there were blacks here when this country was born, they were the backbone of the white folks that enslaved them, to work the land, tend the crops and raise their children to name a few.

To say that this country was born of white man only's strive is outrages.
Look at history and read the whole book not just part of it. Wake up, it is 2008 not 1908!

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Peter paul,Mile Four — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:59:58 GMT

I think Obama will be the next US President and first minority to be elected President of this great nation.Mccain's judgements are going to make him loose this election.First of all Gov. palin was his wosrt judgement call and this will cost him big time.

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P stanford — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:03:36 GMT

comment in this article;
"Obama will be better for us in Africa. I am concerned about the conservative Americans – the Midwest states, they might vote for McCain. Whatever happens, though, Africans must come up with their own inventive ways to benefit from the U.S." he added.
Politics stop at the low water mark. If Africa thinking a black U.S. president is good for them, what does that say about what is good for America. A U.S. presidents first concern should be for his country and not what is good for other countries on the planet.

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Gerald Castillo Kingman Arizona — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:16:14 GMT

It doesn't matter weather or not Obama is black or white...what does matter is his firm believe that redistibution of wealth is charity...charity is what I'm willing to do to help someone else...what he does is theft...period...I can't believe how many people actually believe this man..especailly after looking at his voting record..or the fact that how do you give a 95% tax cut when 30% aren't even paying taxes.

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larry louisiana — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:16:30 GMT

It seems to me that a lot of people that post on here must watch hanity and his lies.We lost a great newsman because he reported about how bush got out of vietnam because of his political ties.That reporter was ran out of the media.Its time we took our country back from the rush limbaues and hanity's of the world and started thinking on our own instead of being told how and what to think.

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Randy - Houston, TX — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:20:14 GMT

Perhaps everyone will get their wish and we will usher in the "change president" and his policies of wealth redistribution. Remember this when the United States is as "economically advanced" as the African nations. I wonder which African model we wish to emulate - Zimbabwe, The Congo, or Nigeria (talk about corrupt white folks)? As usual - be careful what you wish for!

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Spike--Houston, Tx. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:24:19 GMT

Just what the USA needs, to follow S. Africa's and Zimbabwe's example--starvation, poverty, and crime that is off the scale.

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Chiquita, Los Angeles, CA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:26:17 GMT

"Our country was started by people of white European descent, who created one of the most amazing politican systems in the history of mankind, a system that eventually led to this historical point, we have a presidential candidate (who would be considered white in most of Africa) who has black ancestary." comment by Aaron Phillips.

Mr Phillips have you studied the histories of other civilizations or any history at all. The "founding" fathers did not "create one of the most amazing politican systems in the history of mankind" but actually borrowed elements from existing and previous governments and adapted it to their own purposes which has been modified throughout the years. Remember the US is a relatively new country compared to other nations and as was mentioned in another comment - people should really know the meaning of labels such as Marxist before throwing them around to describe a person's political ideology. And for reference I am a black woman (yes I wrote black) who has travelled the world and seen firsthand the reputation Americans have (guilt by association). I have also experience racism and will vote for the best candidate to serve my needs and the needs of this country regardless of the lineage of the person.

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John, Mississauga, Canada — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:27:28 GMT

Commenets like that from Gene indicate what the rest of the world call "American double standard). To Gene, the rest of the world has no right to care about what Americans do. But Americans do have the right to overthow any government anywhere in the world when they do not like it, or when they want their resources. Can you imagine Americans being held in Iran prison on just suspision, without try for so many years. Oh no, hell will break loose. George W will not hesitate to sent all fleets, tanks, F16s, and all those destructive war equipments to go to war in the name of justice, and the Republicans including Lou Dobbs will sure gladly support him. What happened to justice in Guantanamou.

John

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Robert Goodman — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:30:32 GMT

Go to Smithsonian.com Smithsonian Magazine April 2008
LBJ's Lost CAuse Pg 68
10% Income Surcharge for urban miorities, baan on housing discrimination and MORE MONEY for head start
now let's look at what head start has accomplished.

Smithsonian Magazine May 2008
Presence Of Mind Pg 98
Goodbye Columbus

The Socialists have destroyed our History. Harriet Tubman the third most famous person in American history????

IF YOU THINK YOU NEED A BLACK PRESIDENT, VOTE FOR HIM.

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Cee, Tulsa, OK — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:33:54 GMT

I don't care who Africans think will be better for Africa. I want a president who will place the interests of US citizens first and foremost.

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tf — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:39:12 GMT

I will never understand why we Americans feel driven to police the world, correct all of its ills and send huge sums of money to everyone else and not spend it on our own. Lets try just fixing our own problems and let some other country take the lead for awhile. I wish we could start a national movement AMERICA FIRST! Take care of our poor first, our homeless, our sick, our elderly, our unemployed our streets our bridges, our rail roads, our schools, our dams, our cities, our boarders, etc.

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S.C. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:39:37 GMT

Who cares what South Africa wants for the U.S. Should we be taking any input from a country on the verge of sliding into anarchy? What have they ever done to improve the world (besides produce excellent artillery)? Their health minister is on record as promoting garlic as a cure for AIDS!!

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Christopher Watts, Olympia Fields, Illinois — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:47:34 GMT

The fact that many readers who are posting comments along the lines of either lack of concern for what citizens of other countries think, or resentment at their having an "opinion" highlights what may be wrong with American thinking.

I imagine that one of the first steps toward political wisdom is the realization that others have valid opinions. These opinions must be respected. I am not suggesting that any opinion should be bindly adopted, but one must "eat the apple an discard the core".

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mary Wursten Mesa ARiz — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:51:40 GMT

I would like to make a comment I know that their is no one that can make an end to the mess that we are in but I do have a question about Bahama Why is he pro abortionist why will he allow innocent babies to be killed right after birth & why doesn't he support the constitution as written by our for fathers

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I'mforHope, Columbus, OH — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:51:45 GMT

There are some who insinuate that S. Africans are for Barak Obama because he is black. If that's true why do Europeans overwhelmingly support him? I'm black and I'd be lying to say I wouldn't be proud to have a black President. But the fact that he's black is just the icing. He is the better choice for the job, and what makes this country so great is that White voters realize it too!!! When we stop discussing race so much, that's when we've reached a true democracy. The next time a black person runs for President, it won't be such a novelty.

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Mark Hopp, Wichita, Kansas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:55:05 GMT

Has everyone forgotten that when the Blacks took control of the government in south africa, they took away all the land and businesses form the Whites.
Can it happen here, YOU BET!
"Obama is black, so he will be better for Africa.
Obama will be better for us in Africa. I am concerned about the conservative Americans – the Midwest states, they might vote for McCain. Whatever happens, though, Africans must come up with their own inventive ways to benefit from the U.S." he added.
It will be the end of America and all the countries that have there hands out will beo on their own.

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pop, Charlottesville,VA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:55:31 GMT

I don;t care if obama is black, I care about the issues, I care about where they stand on those issues, and obama's political courage test shows is is not what he says he is. He has ofter changed his views to to an audience just to please them, but his and Mccains records do speak for himself. When Mccain loses the Election is only proves that good guys finish last. Who cares what france , germany, iran, russia or Africa thinks fo obama, Its America's that decide, its just some of them do'nt research thier canidate of choice very well.

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therealmarie — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:57:34 GMT

It is a shame that the Republican party has become new Klan party. They represent way too much hate for any decent human being to be associated with.

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Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:57:46 GMT

First I'd like to say I'm Independent (for all those waiting with baited breath at your keyboards to rip me a new one for my next comments).

Does everyone here not realize that it doesn't matter which one is President because whichever it is... (Demo/Repub), Congress will be majority the other side. And nothing gets to the President if Congress doesn't pass it first. So all Obama fans will have a majority Republican house and all McCain fans will have majority Democrat house. Really, which is better?

Not to mention that the last 8 years have been majority Democrats passing things before Bush even sees it, not to mention the war in Iraq. Do you really think Bush was the sole hand in that? For anyone to think ANY president has supreme power enough to spend the money and deploy the people to create what we have today all by himself/herself is foolish and need to take government classes all over again.

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Brandon, Whittier, CA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:59:48 GMT

Seriously I think its time for other nations to step up and deal with there own problems and stop leaning on the U.S. for security and the rest.
There is a lot of things that the U.S. needs do in our own country (health care, education, security, ect.) then dealing with other nations problems.
This is what the next president should be focused on, not on world problems or whats happening in Africa.

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Tamara Detroit, MI — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:01:07 GMT

Some people say Obama's race shouldn't be an issue (although he is only half Black he nevertheless identifies himself with the Black culture not the White)but they ignore the fact that during the primaries Blacks aften voter in the mid to high 90% for him making it quite obvious that for Balcks race is indeed THE issue! Therefore White voters should vote accordingly and support McCain!
Karl Kettler (Sent Monday, October 20, 2008 12:26 PM)

Karl, Blacks voted for White men in the past in the mid to high 90%...Have you ever heard of Bill Clinton, a white man? How about Lyndon Johnson, a white man? Maybe you should stop trying to find a reason to inject race in our support of Barack Obama and realize that many Blacks support Democrats because we believe in the policies they support. Many of us believe in universal health care, many of us a pro-choice, many of us believe the middle class should get some of the same tax breaks as the upper class, many of us believe in fixing our public schools instead of throwing them away.

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Darrell Messbarger Kansas City, Missouri — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:02:10 GMT

Voting for any person because you prefer that color is idiotic. The last fifty years of racial adjustment has obviously been for nothing because it appears that race will decide this election. Every time I hear someone say its time we had a black president, it reminds me of exactly the issues that defined a man prior to the civil rights movement. Obama or McCain will be a good president or bad based on his heart, mind, and integrity - NOT HIS COLOR.

I fear we are in for the worst of it.

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JB — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:05:36 GMT

I do need to state that I intend to vote for Obama though I live in a state that will definitely go to McCain. I get along with people from all walks of life and I had someone tell me what I consider to be a very enlightened reason why Obama will not win in Texas... Oil Drilling and Energy. It was stated to me that in East Texas, too many people fear for their livelihood.... Jobs... Food on the table... Roof over the family... I may disagree but I can definitely respect that... Race... It saddens me that we have come so far but we still have farther to go...

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C.A. Green — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:05:40 GMT

Why are so many white people afraid of Obama becoming president? Because he is Black? Do you think he will do unto you what the USA has done to the Blacks, Hispanics, Indians, etc. for the past 400 years? I don't think so. Every system, including ours has checks and balances and if McCain or Obama wins and they get out of hand, we have what is called impeachment (we should have used it on Bush when he lied about 911) Iraq had nothing to do with 911. If Iraq didn't have oil or Saddam (revenge thing)we would not be there. This war blew up in Bush's face. We are the ones who will have to solve it. Obama is fit to lead, it doesn't matter what color he is. He has 3 times the education McCain and Palin have yet they still want to say he is unqualifed. This is outrageous.

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IndependentV — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:06:02 GMT

Nathan Hale, you are entitled to your backward and ill informed position because, yes, it is your country. I find it interesting that a country like the US which has NO survellance system to detect the exact number of HIV infections can come up with bogus statistics regarding the HIV/AIDS rate in countries like South Africa. For your information, the US government hardly ever does something for nothing. Almost all the money going towards helping with HIV/AIDS in Africa is for research purposes. In other words Africans are wonderful gunea pigs. Africans couldn't care less if individuals such as yourself are interested in their "respect/goodwill". However, you should know that this is not a situation of the rich helping the poor. Americans with HIV/AIDS get the benefit of knowing that the drugs they are prescribed are safe for human use, courtesy of "ungrateful Africans". Enjoy!

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Chitangi,Atlanta USA. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:10:26 GMT

We all need change regardless of race which is a constant issue in America and certain parts of the world I'm pretty sure everybody is so tired of Bush 's failed policies and a fresh breeze of your ideas are more than welcome..forget the color and focus on the substance.Good luck America and God bless the whole world.

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Junior Cuniingham, Jamaica W.I. — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:11:15 GMT

(Smile)Wow Wow Wow !! very interesting to note, that there are americans,who, sorry to say, seem either not to know much about history, or as matter of convenience, choose to ignore truth. Over the past decades, it is The Great US of A, that has taken on the role of God, in the lives of many. America, that has twisted the arm of truth and justice, and have destroyed countries, and the lives of many. America, who has repeatedly benefited from spoils in form human resource and material wealth, as a result of oppressive measures, namely slavery, racism, the design of poverty among minority groups. So, if the truth must be told, America cannot be blameless, and those of you who will deny these atrocities, are without an active conscience. However, the past is the past, and it would indeed be wise, for us all to look toward the future, and make it work. at the end of the day, we all need each other, and there is more than enough, for everyone. so really, there ain't no need for the selfishness and greed that's going around. for the betterment of the entire human race, we need to put aside our differences aside, and do all within our power to create wealth, health, prosperity and happiness, in every nook and cranny of the world. Let's all aim at summoning the blessings of God upon every nation, and not just America. After-all, America isn't the only country in the world. I am all the way here in Jamaica (Caribbean), and sure, we got more than our fair share of problems, but hey, all is in vain. we suffer as a people, as a nation, and the entire global community, because we allow ourselves to be overcome by greed. by our own selfish desires. we have allowed love, compassion, empathy, to die a very painful and terrible death. That too gonna suffer a similiar fate, if we don't change our hearts and minds. There has been far too much hate going around, for far too long. This has to end now. Let's all check ourselves. We just got to. Peace and love to all. One Love.

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abdikadir UK — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:11:49 GMT

president bush has taken america 100 years back
his crazy policies has alienated america from the rest of the world and it is time now obama is elected to restore peace and stability to the whole world

right now america is a rogue super power and obama is one person who can bring america from the cold and it to world community

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joe the plumber , Bristol PA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:13:02 GMT

the obama/biden boys have many duped and show how we as a people judge ("young, articulit, good looking" Joe Biden) on the outward appearence. also who really has the racist voters? many blacks are voting for obama for the simple fact of the color of his skin.

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Jasmine Richards, Orlando, Florida — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:18:14 GMT

Having lived in South Africa when Apartheid was at it's height and now having lived in America for over 40 years. Hopefully in two weeks America will finally get it right. It felt so good to vote for Sen. Obama today. And, I am caucasian and I live in Florida.

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MNova, Syracuse, New York — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:24:13 GMT

Hamilton,

"Many blame the US" Do a little more research and write a meaningful story. I recently had meetings with gentlemen from South Africa. They are interested in tthe election and worried about the pending decline in US status. I cannot forget being told, "they all protest down with America, never considering that the US provies more help for AIDs ridden impoverished African nations than anyone else

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SGA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:25:38 GMT

Since when do we care what the rest of the world prefers in our elections? Too many odd distractions and subliminal 'nudges' from other countries interested in 'this' election. History aside, something not quite right here.....Play it off any way you like, something is afoot and it isn't good; and I really don't care if one agrees with me or not, it does not change facts or the oddities and blatant racial hypocrisy in this election. According to the Dems, all Republicans are racist, one way or the other? How dare you? That very idea is racist.

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Jim Pourchot — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:25:59 GMT

I think that one should listen to Obama's message more closely - if all you want is "Change" in your pockets, then vote for him. If you want to work hard and keep more of your own money instead of voting in a bunch of spending Dems, then you should be looking past the liberal media blitz and vote for McCain - maybe you'll end keeping dollars in your pocket instead of "Change"...

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Robert Husted, Biscayne Park, Florida — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:27:12 GMT

I just want a President who is a peacemaker and not a warmongering profiteer. I want global stability just as much as anyone, but you don't get it by creating wars for economic and political advantages of the few -- you get it by helping the many. After 9/11 we had the greatest opportunity to take the higher path and we blew it -- but what can we expect from President Select -- not President Elect.

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Kayla McClain, Walnut,MS — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:27:27 GMT

All this is is racism. Everyone thinks that African's shouldn't have a say so. Well, everyone is wrong. African's can be concerned about what is going on in the U.S. Think about it like this, what if they want to come to the U.S. and live over here. Don't you think they would seriously care about what kind of state they were coming to or what kind of person would be ruling over them. What if the person ruling over them wouldn't like them coming over to the United States? I mean really people, think before you speak.

And about the voting...No one is voting for Obama just because he is black. And no one is voting for McCain just because Obama is black and if that is the case, then GROW UP because the racism stuff in this world needs to stop. Yes, I'm white but I LOVE black people. I'm for them 100 percent!!!! But I don't want my people voting for Obama just because he is black. I think people should vote for him because he is the one who finally wants to bring our soldiers home!!! That just makes me happy to hear someone say that they want to bring them home. Because I know I'm ready to see my ex-boyfriend. And I'm sure y'all are ready to see someone y'all know over there. So please people, just think before you speak. And try to end the racism.

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Vickie, Edmond, Oklahoma — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:34:11 GMT

Who, cares now of days if your are Rep or Dem, it's all of about who can do the Job. And finally the Rep are seeing that just becuase your family has always voted Rep don't mean you have to. Vote for the better one not for someone that is a Rep.

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Afrikaan — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:34:14 GMT

South Africa is a great counterpoint to the USA. In the USA, a democracy with a white majority, a better-qualified black candidate is poised to be president. In South Africa, a democracy with a black majority, a blatantly corrupt and useless black government has replaced a highly effective white government. Even though South Africa has falled from being one of the most advanced nations in the world to now being just another joke of an African cesspool, the black government is effectively immune to challenges from white candidates due to racial hatred. Makes you wonder who the real racists are, huh?

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Marcel Newsome, Johannesburg, South Africa — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:35:23 GMT

I happen to be an American in South Africa. I've lived in Southern Africa for over 11 years and can only say I've witnessed the fast and tragic eroding of international goodwill toward our country, due mostly to the inept policies and comments of our current regime. If Obama can do anything to help restore a positive perception of america abroad, I highly welcome his presidency. These positive perception do go a long way toward fostering a sentiment that encourages everything from increased international investment to strategic relationships. I cannot tell you how much we've lost in opportunities solely because of perceptions that the US has garnered.

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Two Sides to Every Story, Utah — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:38:17 GMT

Just a note to all those extolling the financial support given to countries in Africa and elsewhere. There is much of the story we don't get to see in the media here in the United States, such as the extent of the support we gave to Mugabe, and many other tyrants who brutalize and murder their own people with Government knowledge and support. If the country had anything the U.S. wanted such as oil in Nigeria or strategic locations for military bases, we poured money into those country's governments and closed our eyes to the atrocities being perpetrated by those same leaders/murderers.

All we see in the press here is how the U.S. is 'helping' another poor country in Africa. The reality is the PEOPLE of Africa rarely see any benefit from the U.S. dollars, as they are spent by their Presidents, Military, Police, etc. to keep themselves at the highest standard of living. Even humanitarian efforts are thwarted by governments such as Zimbabwe's Mugabe who would rather let millions die than give up his domination of the country.

If you are willing to look past the hyper-sanitized versions of our involvement in other countries, go to the library and read some books written by authors without the 'pro-USA' bias and get the real facts behind the money being pumped into Africa. I can assure you, every cent is given with a string attached right back to Uncle Sam.

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richard — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:38:28 GMT

Obama is going to turn this into a Socialist society instead of a democratic one, I for one believe in a republic, and I don't think Barak is going to be any good for this country.

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EJ,Atlanta, Ga. proud supporter — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:42:57 GMT

Would we be having this discussion if Barack was white? of course not. The notion that African Americans would only vote for Barack because he is black is apalling.This man is educated and intelligent, but because he is black, this somehow disqualifies him from being a good presidential candidate. Only narrow minded people filled with hate and clinging to racism would even suggest a thing.McCain serving in the military does not make him an honorable man or one who is qualified to run this nation.The smear campaign he is running on Barack, attacking his character, only shows that McCain himself has no character. He has distorted the truth (LIED) and has played on America's long history of racism to try and shift this election. Barack has already won as a MAN even if he may lose this election by default, so no one can take pride in that. Go Barack

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Richard — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:46:38 GMT

You cannot make the poor rich by making the rich poor. It has never worked and will never work.
In South Africa and now in WA people go onto land they don't own and become squatters.

The people who made this country great did not squat. They worked hard and were rewarded. In America too many people believe in the government providing everything.

Anyone remember the phrase: "Ask not what your country can do for you....." etc?

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Sad NC — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:47:03 GMT

All you have to do is look at these statements and you can understand why our leaders are the way they are.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Brian, Atlanta — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:47:35 GMT

The more that people in other countries support Obama, the surer I am that McCain is the better pick. The rest of the world alternatves between attempting to marginalize the US, hate it for having so much might, and then asks it for help because of the power it has. None of those scenarios have the US' best interest at heart

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

marcy, new york, ny — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:49:25 GMT

Gosh you all!!! what is wrong with the rest of the world giving their opinion on who they like for president of the USA. The Pro-Mccaney's can't bare the fact that someone else has an opinion. They can't tell us how to vote just a mere discussion. That's all.. relax... go vote and may the best man win.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Matsitso, Liverpool, UK — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:15 GMT

I am a S.African & am not interested n the US next election results.I just hate comments like 'Obaba will be better for us in Africa'.Africans should learn that US presidential election is not African presidential election. There is +- 56 countries in africa & therefore +-56 head of states. if they cannot take care of their countries how do u expect a US president to babysit africa.US, and not africa, will be US's next president responsibility.Should Obama give indications that he will b babysiting africa then americans must not vote for him.Americans hav got their own problems to deal with.Africa cannot manage its resources and political situation and all they do is blame western countries.It disgust me to see african leaders always going to G8 meetings just to beg and demand financial assistance like as if they are owed.They bring nothing to the table other than complaints. Maybe it's time we accept as africans that 'leadership' is not in our blood.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Ken, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:56:10 GMT

Carla from Lancaster,OH, you want to quote the Bible? I am a Christian like you. I think that Obama's pastor/mentor/leader for over 20 years preaches absolute hate. He does not preach the word of God, but the lies of the devil. To me it is far scaryer to elect a man that has condoned that type of preaching. We are to learn from our pastors, what has Obama learned listening to hatred for 20 years?? He pulled away from that church only after asked about it. THAT IS SCARY.
McCain/Palin, the lesser of two evils.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

A, Sunny So Fla — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:57:15 GMT

I think we should be the Non-United States of America. Let states determine what the laws and cultures are and have people live where they feel comforatable. We are in trouble either way in this election. Our view of the world has become too enterprising under bush and we have lost allies and friends. Not saying that Obama will be better, but less brash is better I think. we shall see

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Saneetha Detroit, MI — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:58:21 GMT

I love the commentary but unfortunately America is as racist today as it was 70-80 years ago. The racists today are the super greedy and wealthy it's more elitism than possibly racism. Either way it's deplorable.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

todd — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:01:28 GMT

why would all these people respond to "gene"...maybe someone should ask themselves why people from other countries get under their skin...what we do here does not matter & should not matter, to a certain extent, what other people from other countries feel about us...knowing they are geting in between americans should be more troubling...this says that even in an open format such as this people cannot come up w/constructive feedback on why should should not care about how other people feel about us. we should not, they do not have any stake in what is about to happen cause if they did they would not make this a race issue but a democracy issue, being socialism is coming & has been coming for years...so if s. africa were of real concern then they should be vying for mccain, cause s. africa will be a social program we can & will cut out of the budget...

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

JustSue, USA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:01:38 GMT

I am concerned over the last part of the story: "For Africans it is simple, as Lucky said in a final thought: "We want to taste the fruit of a black president!"
Why does the whole world think we owe them anything? The problem is that we can no longer continue to help the entire world, because there are too many people in the USA who are draining it dry. For Obama to become president means we will empty out what little we have left.
We are re-living the fall of the Roman Empire when too many people became dependent on the government.
If you really want to see the difference, consider this: 3 years ago we were still a land of plenty.
Then Nancy Pelosi and company took majority control. It has been downhill ever since.
It's not the presidential race we need to worry about, its the Congress and Senate! They will do more damage than the president. The last 2 years proves that.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Mike, Seattle, WA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:02:08 GMT

I have lived many places in the world, and each one is insular and petty in its own way. In Europe, they hate Americans not because of our current president but because it's fashionable and they think it makes them look intelligent. It is also the stereotype backlash one gets from the recipient of so much monetary assistance we provide. Most Europeans will tell you what monsters we are for making unilateral decisions like what occurred with Iraq but get very quiet when you speak about the unilateral decisions made on behalf of Europe, like Kosovo. They will also plead ignorance when you ask about France's arms deal with Iraq which was clearly in violation of every international organization, treaty, etc...
In Asia, they could care less. Why? They don't look to the U.S. as their sugar daddy, and they tend to be more self reliant. If it weren't for the U.S. most of the world would be speaking 1 of 2 languaages; German or Chinese.
When I lived in Istanbul, everything was some kind of CIA orchestrated plot. If you're late for work because of traffic, a Turk will lecture for 20 minutes on how the CIA caused this. People in that part of the world can not be reasoned with. Don't believe me. Get on the plance and pay them a visit.
Africans think Obama will be good because he is black. This is called racism. Blacks in Chicago think Obama will give them better jobs and build them better places to live but without higher rents. This is called welfare. If the people in this country will have some self respect and do what they think is right for themselves and their neighbor, then the rest of the world will take care of itself by default.
What we should all be concerned about is a democratic congress and a very liberal democratic president. Government works best when there are forces holding each other in balance. Do you know what happened in socialist Sweden when tax rates became very high for successful people? They moved to another country. If there is no longer anyone to pay for handouts then where will you get them from? If you don't like CEO pay then why don't you boycott their products? Why doesn't anyone get upset about senators and congressmen not paying into our social security system? Aren't they our representatives? Why is it wrong to ask a guy trying to be president why he attends a church that proclaims, "God damn America"? The rose colored glasses combined with the blame game is going to come to a very bad end.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Sharon, NY, NY — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:04:05 GMT

All this talk about race is getting out of hand. People race should not be the issue here. The concern should be who is capable of taking the Country out of the state it is now in. President Clinton was able take us out of such stagnation after the republicans made a mess of things and our fear is if another republican is elected, we will be heading for disaster.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

JustSue, USA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:04:29 GMT

What difference is the color of the skin? People need to quit using the term in anything. Journalists and politicians keep it going for their own good, not any one else's.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Lev Travis — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:04:39 GMT

It's not surprising that the sentiment around the world is much more for Obama/Biden than McCain/Palin. While I believe that McCain at his core is a man of great integrity and good nature and would make a fine president, I DO believe Obama is better for the nation AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I believe Obama to be a Lincoln-type Republican (the thinking man's president) moreso than the ultra-liberal democrat the current Republican media is trying to paint him as today. I believe history will see Obama as one of the GREATEST presidents our nation has seen. The economic & social policies he's pushing for will be difficult in the beginning, but long-term, I think we will see his policies produce a Renaissance in our educational system, better foreign relations with our neighbors, and a sense of decency in our healthcare system; long overdue in the greatest nation on the earth.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

McDonough, GA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:04:47 GMT

Horrible article! Biased!

Ask any one of the Boers - the white folks who live outside of J-Berg - about race.

Of the 50,000 3,000 have been ethinically cleansed - slaughtered - men, women, little white children. For no reasonother than they are white. Google it you will see the liberal media still chooses to ignore the SA Boer and the horrendous violence against them.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Jason — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:05:08 GMT

If its only about proving America is capable of electing a black man President, then we all lose, and the best interest of the country isn't served. We should be electing a President based on qualification for the job, not the color of the skin. Thats not being racist, thats asking the real questions.

I personally will be writing in Hillary Clinton, as I feel she'd best lead us, and I feel Obama is too inexperienced and groomed by a public relations machine (very little real about him anymore), and McCain is too old and too tied to the Bush style of rule.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

dan — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:14:29 GMT

can you name one country in africa that is black ruled that cares about it's own citizens? that has high employment, healthcare , education ,agriculture, stable economy, that doesn't kill it's people .

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Catherine, Tahoe, California — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:18:10 GMT

I think that this article is a pathetic attempt at calling McCain supporters racists. This name calling is ridiculous. If I am Black and vote for Obama, than I am not racist. If I am white, and vote for McCain I am racist. I am a white woman who married a man from South Africa. Keep your racist slurs to yourselves and stop calling me racists because I believe in one PERSON over the other. The color of your skin will does not determine anything of your character, it is the man/woman. Thanks for the highschool flashbacks...

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Obama 08, Fairmont WV — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:28:38 GMT

I do not normally comment but this one is too tempting. I am a hard core Obama supporter, and white. I will admit that, outside of thinking Obama is by far the most qualified for the job, I also love the light it puts the US in. We need the support of the rest of the world to dig ourselves out of the hole we've created. I cried over the last election and can't even imagine losing this one. However, this is not the point I want to make. My point in posting is to state that it is ridiculous to think it is purely a race thing that is making blacks support Obama so strongly. They always overwhelmingly vote democrat (at least by 80%). Honestly, if blacks had control of the electorate Gore would still be president. While I do not know everything that would have happened, at least we would have had a better handle on the environment.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Paul Duckham, Hot Springs, AR — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:30:33 GMT

Of course we should be aware of what other people around the world think of us, but there is nothing we could possibly do to please them all. I for one do not care which presidential candidate is most popular in South Africa, Nigeria, Kenya or anywhere in Europe for that matter.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Nikelo, Jo'burg, SA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:31:53 GMT

Hey Nathan cool it now... Fact is it is true that my continent has not covered itself in glory in a whole lot of issues. The stance of our former Pres on HIV/AIDS left a lot to be desired. Morons like Mugabe across my border have done us no favours.

These are facts that many of us debate daily in the country, and believe me there are many opposed to my views and believe the West (you guys) are the primary cause. Perhaps to some extent, but not anymore. We hold our future on our own hands and believe me, young 30 year olds like myself are hard at work on that. Whether you feel there is moral obligation for U.S companies et al who traded with the apartheid govt and enriched your country while condeming some of us to perpetual oppression is another debate...

Fact of the matter though is your Pres lied to the rest of us about Iraq. He alienated us as either "for us or against us". We admire the U.S for all the reasons u correctly stated, but the arrogance of the past 8 yrs left a bitter taste in all of us.
As much as we need you guys i think humility and consesus seeking will take you much further.
Lastly, the Exchange Control policy as implemented by the SA Reserve Bank has largely insulated us from the credit crunch turmoil that your country brought to the world. Now that is something worth learning... and not let people in the McCain campaign pick on poor helpless families...not here, not over there.

All the best and happy voting...

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Lydia Charleston South Carolina — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:32:32 GMT

I am happy to say that my at my office the subject of race has come up and discussed quite frequently regarding the election. What is most discussed is how scared some of us are if some crazy supremacist decides to take aim at Mr. Obama. I wish the McCain campaign would do more to dispell ugly untrue rumors going around about Obama, but they won't because they are most likely at the root of the lies. I look forward to a change for the better, and hope that people won't close their minds because they are scared of change or the unknown. Some places in this country black and white live and interact with one another daily...some people out in the midwest may never have even seen a black person other than what is on TV. I hope and pray that average citizens will take the time to look at the real issues and free themselves of any irrational prejudice.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

john, parsippany, new jersey — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:38:25 GMT

Who on God's green earth cares what South Africans think!!South Africa is being driven into the ground by their African National Congress communist party aligned socialist government. Baby rape, mutimurders, Boer genocide, power outages, crumbling infrastructure. SA is following the path of Robert Mugabe's socialist/Marxist antiwhite dictatorship next door in Zimbabwe where white farms were taken amid lawlessness and violence. Obama could be orange and it still wouldn't change the fact that he's a quasi Marxist socialist. That's what's so scary!

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

chuck lanham sr, fort worth texas — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:39:23 GMT

You can vote for a man that loves America and has the scars to prove it or you can vote for a man with 143 days in the senate and has accomplished nothing. Race has nothing to do with it

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

No more plutocracy — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:45:46 GMT

I have seen many express concern about that spread the wealth comment. The way I see it, we have been spreading our wealth upwards for eight years, with bailouts, tax cuts benefitting the wealthy, wars (that the wealthy want so they can make more money, but refuse to send their children off to)outsourcing, corporate welfare and stagnant wages. Try spreading it downward this time.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Aaron Jedlicki Anchorage Alaska — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:47:52 GMT

obama will bring peace.. and maybe some maturety to the USA.. i could care less that he is black.. that should never make a difference in how you feal about someone.. its all these ignorant people who are afriad of change who are voting mcain.. obama could save the economy and thousands of lives but people dont want to vote for him because hes black? that is absolutly pathetic.. i pray that the U.S. grows a pair and excepts some one who actually understands the new age of the U.S. and isnt afriad to do what it will really take to save the U.S.

Black and white South Africans weigh in on U.S. election

Nikelo, J'burg, SA — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:12:09 GMT

Hello Thokozile (You are Zulu right?).. Howz the U.S?
Look, SA has its problems: crime, disease, poverty, corruption etc. And this is where we are hammering our government right now. Infact, I for one never voted for the ruling party. They have not done nearly enough for our country in 15 years! I want a strong opposition to challenge the ANC and I want them out of power actually.
However, can you really say it was better during apartheid??? U joking right!??? Look I was 16 when apartheid ended. I was raised in the Homeland "state" of Transkei, forbidden to "come" to South Africa. My parents were nothing more than cheap labour for the multinational mining companies here in Jo'burg. I went to rural schools, sat classes on cardboard boxes, walked bare foot and had very little clothing.

"How" am I sitting here u may ask? Because the end of apartheid meant black students like me who had potential despite systematic prejudice were able to go to Medical School, WHICH I DID! Now I am a medical graduate from the Univ of Cape Town and hey I did it in the 6 year period that every other white student did, and not the so called "extended" 7 year programme for "previously disadvantaged students". Our medical educ is still one of the best, I see all Western countries send candidates here to specialise etc. I have never seen anyone graduate as a "25% student". Infact some U.S students were amazed how tough our lecturers are to give 80 and 90 % passes and how easily failed we were. I mean FAILED if u are not up to scratch. As a result, I can walk into any country with my certificate from UCT and start practising...

Lastly, the infrastructure you say "went downhill" was verily built to serve only a minority of our population before 1994! Its just that now everyone is included and I do think the govt should have done more quicker to accomodate everyone.
The Pres should have butt out of the debate on causes of HIV/AIDS long ago, it aint his business but that of the medical profesion! I blame him there.

So please get your facts straight. If you want to stay in the US well and good, but critic our country on facts... and there are plenty... Meantime we will continue to look for solutions down here.