The ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan’s biggest city

Jon T. -Tampa, Florida — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:07:02 GMT

Im so pleased to see a journalist with guts. I think its great that Mr Engel is willing to risk his personal safety to get the story out to what is really going on in this world.

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Dave K. Seattle Wa — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:21:04 GMT

And McCain still calls Iraq the front line in the war on terror...

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naeem chicago illinois — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:26:24 GMT

Karachi is supposed to be a sort of twin city for Bombay since british times and while Bombay is going places karachi has descended into anarchy.the only solution to this problem is a EU kind of union of india n Pak so that the non muslim n more professional armies of india can combine with the Pak army to stop this menace.Pak is a failed state coz the 2 nation theory of dividing the indian subcontinent to create an islamic state of Pak is absolutely wrong and has creayed this monster for us. only a united indo pak federation like the union of germany can guarantee everyones safety and even nuclear security but no one has brought up this kind of solution.

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John, Boston, MA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:31:10 GMT

60 years of independence, gone, and the country is still unable to establish basic education, law & order, a sense of religious tolerance, a respect for life, equality.... This, despite all the power yielded by dictators who claimed they were doing the right thing and despite BILLIONS of dollars of aid. Sad indeed.

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peleke littlefield bangor maine — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:32:42 GMT

This presadent droped the ball on this one.left a mess and ran out on the people that needed us the most.all for the bottom line.shame, shame on us for letting it happen.here we go again.do we need a nother black eye to get it right this time.reach out! is that so hard?one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

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C.W., Porltand, Oregon — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:36:40 GMT

Gee, George Bush, thanks SOO much for diverting our attention from the REAL 9/11 killers to Iraq, where there were no terrorist camps, no Al Quaida, until WE attacked them. Now Al Quaida and their Taliban buddies have had years to regroup, restrategize and migrate into Pakistan. Nice work, George. McCain is no better. He thinks just the same way. While Osama bin Laden and Co. plan their next coup, McCain is focusing on "winning" in Iraq....whatever THAT means. Afghanistan should have been our focus and stayed our focus. Obama has been right all along.

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Mike, Long Island, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:37:28 GMT

There's going to be revolution in Pakistan, it is inevitable. When it comes it will spill into India, Afghanistan, and Iraq. If it goes poorly and the government begins to lose control, then many other players may be forced to get involved. They do have nukes, you know. Unfortunately the world will not tolerate another American "invasion" of an Islamic country. That's not to suggest that America will have the resources to go in when the time comes. America has been rendered impotent by its leadership. It's going to get bad unless the rest of the world puts up a fight.

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aman karachi — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:41:08 GMT

I live in his city for 40 year and wacth so many ups and down.City of 17 million and most mix papolation of pakistan .I assur you that talibnization will never hapend here becouse living style karachi not macth with taliban.Talibanization is propaganda from MQM (for vasted intrests).

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Tim Nash, Boise, Idaho — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:43:43 GMT

Great story...well written. What's sad however, is that we're all connected and we still don't get it.

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Hussain Shah. Houston Texas. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:43:59 GMT

I happen to go thrugh your article.I spent best part of life in Karachi.As a young merchant marine officer,i rally enjoyed livung there.It is very disappionting to listen what is happening in Karachi.I wish modern world shall not abondon that nation and come up with new ways and means to bring them back to world we are proud to live in.

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Umair, Chicago IL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:46:03 GMT

My heart bleeds seeing how this country based upon moderate ideologies has been held hostage by these so called 'Protectors of islam'. Karachi boasts the highest population of educated people in the country but these people dont have the power or courage to fight the Talibanization of the city. The government, inept as always, is too busy padding their own personal swiss bank accounts to really worry about this.

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Jane Doe — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:51:10 GMT

So, Mr.Engel, what do you think we should do? You have seen it first hand. You have seen the terror and the fear. You have seen the war-like attitude and the desperation. They outsed Musharaf - and there are differing opinions as to whether that was good or bad. As an American-born Pakistani, I speak for the masses when I say, "we don't want radical Islam killing everyone off". Only God (whoever that may be to whomever) can save anyone since this has gotten so out of hand.

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Sukaina, Karachi, Pakistan — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:52:31 GMT

Its very unfair that Karachi has been described as a city which is unsafe, dirty and full of men who are violent or then ready to terrorise and kill innocent people.
As a Karachiite I do realise that it has become unsafe in the past couple of years and we cant have the same freedom we enjoyed before BUT there is much more to Karachi than madrassas and illiterate children.
Your article is giving a very one sided opinion. Why has Karachi been portrayed so negatively? I live in that city and so does my family and friends and yes we know we are facing lots of problems. Suicide bombings are happening all over the world but so are suicide killings. What about the increase of college kids pulling out guns and killing their classmates and then themselves. they are literate and there is no talibanisation there but it is still happening isnt it?
Regardless what scares me the most is not terror caused in Karachi by talibanisation BUT that articles like these will convince the world and America that it is justifiable to one day enter Pakistan and our fate will be like those of Iraqis and Afghanis.

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Harold Bennett — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:57:40 GMT

Its a shame to see such a lively city go down the the drain.I was in Karachi for almost a year,trying to clear the professional exams for my commercial pilots licence (CAA had its headquarters in Karachi).Often getting tired of studying we would venture out to Tariq Road at 3 AM in the morning to have a Crush Cola or a Paan(beetle leaf).The whole city would be alive and people would be out enjoying themselves without any fear.
I guess good things don't last very long.

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Stacy M. Guadalupe, Ca — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:00:18 GMT

It is sad, I agree. More of Americans should read srtories like this. American Soldiers go there to help these countries, the only resistance usually given is from the insurgents, the rest of the population only says what they feel and do not understand that America does not come to take over but to assist, to get them their country back.

No matter the reason, ie, oil, trade goods, etc it doesnt matter, the peace of the world is what is most important. Their fear speaks for them. In being in those countries form experience, they are afraid, its nothing less than the neighborhood bully concept except in these case its a huge gang, and they do not care whom they hurt, they will get their way.

Some say its not Americas business to get involved, I say, we do the right thing and get more involved. We are considered a "super power", we have so much more than most of these people do, why shouldnt we be the big brother of the world and do our very best to STOP TERRORISM?
I signed my name on a dotted line for that reason, and I would do it again. Unless you have been there, you cant have a clue, a feel for what goes on around you.

I have seen many news stories before I left, and since I have returned, I learned at my age that WOW does the media totally form peoples opinion for them. But when thats all you are shown, not both sides of the coin, then that can be all you know yes? Sort of liek theman in this story who thinks that America is there to take over. its all he knows...has he ever spoke to an American and found out why? No, he only knows by what he is told and shown.

Yes it is very sad.....

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Ken Blankenship, Boston — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:00:40 GMT

And some people wonder why it's necessary for U.S. soldiers to cross the Afghan/Paki border. Here you have Taliban essentially out in the open, and the Pakis do nothing.

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Dan, Bemus Point, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:01:27 GMT

Pakistan is a wonderful land with wonderful people and yes, exotic food that makes my mouth water just thinking of it. The Taliban and al-Qaida are bullies in the playground of the Islamic world. Where chicken sh!t police and politicians exist and permit this cancer to grow, the civilian population will always end up being the ones to suffer. Sadly, is makes no difference if it's bullies in Pakistan or in our own communities. The mentality is the same. It's unfortunate that they have to use Islam as a crutch to beat their own people with. That's pretty much the same tactic bullies all over the world use.

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kman, Pasco, Wa. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:02:48 GMT

Pakistan is extremely pivotal in the fight against terorism in other words, the coming fight over global control. All the little dominoes are falling into place. A shame so few see it.
I have to say, this guy who went to this part of Karachi has a lot of guts in light of what happened to the one from the Wall Street Journal. Either that or he doesn't put much value on his life.
I wonder if the Israelis consider Pakistan a potential target along with Iran? Surely they have plans. The power struggle in Pakistan could veer towards radical Islamic control in the blink of an eye. Musharraf was fortunate to stay alive as long as he did. Probably much less of a priority target now that he has relinquished his hold on the government.

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Alan, Burlington, NC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:04:46 GMT

US forces didn't defeat the Taliban, just displaced them and returned them to what they do best - grass roots insurgency. Had the US not supported them against the former Soviet Union they could not have won a country on their own, and were probably surprised when they did. They remain honorable in Arabic eyes because they refused to compromise their guest - al Qaeda - when the US demanded that they give them up. This was something that they could not do because they had essentially opened their homes to their "guest" and were honor bound to defend them, even to the extent of losing their own homes. This they did. It is this sense of honor and belief in traditional ways that the US is fighting, and can only contain, not defeat. And containment is a forever process when you're dealing with beliefs. Places may be razed and believers killed, but this simply fuels greater radicalization. Our own Revolution should make this clear. So, the question is how to learn to live with people who teach their children to hate us and kill us. Perhaps we should listen to what they have to say about the way that we live our lives and actually hear them. So, I leave this with a challenge to others - find what they have said, meaning any and all of our Islamic foes, and examine ourselves. If we are blameless and have nothing to apologize for or behaviors to correct, then by all means, kill 'em all and sort 'em out later. But, if truth is revealed in what they say, then perhaps we should look at ourselves and make some changes before we engage in a larger land war in Asia. This violence won't stop until we find a different way. "They" will answer every blow with one of their own. This is their tradition and way of life. Why do we want to be like them? A short time ago an Afgani man was interviewed about the fighting there. He was asked about the American "time line." His reply was that the Americans may have a time line, but the Taliban own the calendar.
I wish you peace.

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Rich Syracuse NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:05:02 GMT

Engel has a lot of guts. It's fascinating and also scary to read about this. I can't help wondering why he chose to chose to be conspicuous in khakis and a blue shirt. How soon before all of Pakistan explodes in Civil War?

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Jerry M. Weikle, Newport News — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:06:31 GMT

This has got to be a "Texas Hold'em" Power Play in Poker. The Government comes up with a PLAN in 3 days, doesn't approve their own PLAN. George W. Bush, in tears because 1.2 Trillion was lost on Monday. The stock market world-wide plummets, investors around the world dump Billions if not Trillions of dollars into the market.....then on Thursday the US Congress will rush in to approve 700 Billion Dollars!

In effect a good Bluff to all the countries of the world, which will end up in poverty and American's will have the richest country in the world. As China, Japan, Germany, Italy, Brazil, Austrialia, and the other countries will have to borrow money from the US.

People it is a POKER PLAY!

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John Doe — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:08:01 GMT

Its almost comical to read all of the tales of Osama and his plans for the future, If you can open your eyes and look at the REAL, HARD evidence it is so apparent that our own government is the very institution responsible for 9-11. Osama has got nothing to do with it other than taking the blame, just like our government wants all of us to believe. C'mon its time to wake up and hold our Government responsible for what happened on 9-11.

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Prafulla,Clifton,NJ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:08:15 GMT

Excellent article and hats off to Richard for enlightening us on what is really happening!

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steve rogers, san diego — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:10:01 GMT

So much for McBush's "foreign policy" expertise. He cannot, or will not, concede that Afghanistan/Pakistan is the real front line in the war against Al-Queda/Taliban and not Iraq. We cannot afford 4 more years of this stupidity. ENOUGH!! Obama/Biden 2008!!!

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Ken Blankenship, Boston — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:10:42 GMT

I love these morons who blame the Iraq war for this problem. The reason that these people are emerging in Kirachi is because our forces in Afghanistan are doing their jobs. The animals are being outsted by U.S. and NATO forces from their mountain hideaways in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Iraq or no Iraq, the result would be the same. With no Iraq and more Western forces in Afghanistan, it just would have happened sooner.

The point is to eliminate these people by crushing them between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately, Pakistan is not nearly hard enough. Something needs to be done to stiffen it up and get it to go after the Taliban with much more force.

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Ahsan Naqvi — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:11:30 GMT

Just sad to see how a beautiful city is turning into hot bed for the Taliban and Al-Qaeeda.

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Rockybuddy — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:13:55 GMT

"It is a colorful, chaotic and undeniably dirty city. Flocks of vultures circle the sky all day. Trash lines many of the streets." This is the cultural capital? High Tech? Fashion? WOW! Sounds like a real hell hole to me. Sounds like a perfect place for the taliban and al-qaida.

"As I walked back to my hotel room, I passed an old man in the hallway. "I didn’t know you people were still coming here,".

This does not sound like a place I want to spend my time sightseeing or on vacation.

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Eric, Tempe, Az — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:15:52 GMT

Amazing article, thank you for some real insight. We need more of these types of reports, so we can see what really needs to be done. I think you are doing a great justice for the American public.

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Kris, Bradenton, FL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:16:58 GMT

There were billions from the US tax payer that went into this. I think people should preach peace all the time. Taliban will never go away. Just like the rapists, kidnapers and other anti-social elements. So there is no solution. The good guys win on good days! As long as America has people who do drugs, Taliban has another source of income.

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Ali, Karachi — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:18:29 GMT

Unfortunately you don't understand the nature of Karachi Politics. The party in charge of running Karachi is the MQM which is run like a Mafia. This is MQM propaganda and its a preemptive to tell the government we exercise the right to once again use fascist tactics. George Bush is not the only person using fear, fear is being constantly used in Pakistan for political gain.

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Sultan Ashhad — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:20:54 GMT

World's only terrorist state is the USA. It is a country whose government uses terrorism as a tool of state policy. Who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Who used chemical and biological weapons against innocent Vietnamese civilians? Who massacred millions of Iraqis to capture their oil fields? The list of crimes committed by terrorist USA against humanity is endless.

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John Doe — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:23:09 GMT

Richard Perle was investigating the ISI's connection to 911 & he was murdered on orders from them and perhaps the CIA, get your fact straight. This article does nothing more than perpetuate the so called evils of the "filthy muslims" & sets the stage for more invasions and injustice done in the false war on terror.

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Sherry, Old Forge, PA, USA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:27:45 GMT

To Sukaina of Karachi, Pakistan, the very fact that in your posting you state that you do not have the freedom you once had but then still want to know why your city was portrayed so negatively. IF YOU HAVE LESS FREEDOM, SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON! The article was not about a negative Karachi, it was about a negative thing happening to a good city like Karachi. I hope all the welfare and wellbeing of all the residents continues upward and not downward.

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Henny Cetnar — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:33:38 GMT

Someone sent a comment on how the political power filled their Swiss Bank accounts and can leave the country. Another American failed state because we prop up a dictator and when the dictator is eliminated our influence and respect are gone. George Bush wasted so much money on the wrong country and worse then that the lives of soldiers with speeches of glory and freedom. We would not have these problems if different methods and respect were used..

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nirvana,evanston,il — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:33:43 GMT

talibanisation of karachi is never going to happen.karachi has a population of 17 to 20 million and there may be some supporters of taliban in that population,but karachi is a very liberal city.(not mini skirt liberal but say your mind liberal)there is huge zorastiatrian temple right inthe centre of the city which has been in use since ancient times.there are several churches,convents,ancient hindu temples all over the city.in 1992 when there were hindu muslim riots in india ,the local groups actually took it upon themselves to make sure the hindus of karachi are not hurt in revenge.majority of the population is muslim of course and you will find mosques everywhere. majority of the population is educated .it is a big city and there are people from literally evrey race and religion in karachi and you cannot tell people not to come.it is of course going through bad times economically and that probably is going to be a bigger problem then a few talibans in some hidden neighbourhood(if they are really taliban).

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V, OKC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:35:30 GMT

I'm sure Obama could fix this with diplomacy (lol)

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Shannon McKemie, Frisco, TX — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:40 GMT

Thanks, Richard and your crew for going to the tough places that have been abandoned to be the voice to the "voiceless".

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philosopherkingtomas, butte, montana — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:42:51 GMT

Engel is a real HERO, not a victim self proclaimed "hero" like John McCain --- a POW!

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Marc V, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:49:21 GMT

Thank you Richard Engel for a fascinating report. You are a very brave man to venture into that area, especially after what happened to Daniel Pearl. I've alway enjoyed your television reports and now I know your writing is on the same par. Keep it up but stay safe!

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Shawn Moeen, Chicago, Il — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:51:14 GMT

i just wanted to add few things. for those who make fun about 60 years of freedom and still striving for basic education and right outcry. do you guys forget that in america white womens got right to vote in 1924 and excatly when we declared independance?? if this is too far for your naive memories then try to recall 1964. what happend that year. oh don't remember african americans got their right to to vote. after how many years of independence???? secondly to the lady who said that pakistan is a threat to israel and maybe israel considered pakistan its enemy. well for your knid information if you come out from your shell and stop listening to your local media and search some international news. in 1984 or 1985 israel and india had conducted a joint operation already to take out pakistan's nuclear facilty what happend? obviously they failed!! my point is please please for god's sake whomever you belive in don't jump on conclusions. pakistani govt is tring hard to eradicate extremism. if some say they are not serious then why they have ovewhelming military casulaties compared to NATO allies in afghanistan? check for stats. it's a long war. yes there are hurdles in the way but in the end justice and truth will prevail.

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csi, WA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:57:51 GMT

Muslims following Talibanized Islam show they're more than willing to fight and die for their beliefs.

Can the same be said for Muslims who follow "the other Islam"?

That's the crux, where the future of Islam is at stake.

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J CHAUDHRI — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:01:11 GMT

All big cities have proplems,Money should be spent
on education, not arms,It is the failure of the
governmnet,not to provide basic necessities.We should
thank America for keeping dictators in Pakistan, and
shame on the politicians and the people who elect
these people.

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Gene, Toledo, OH — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:01:43 GMT

Sukaina,
There is a big difference between RANDOM violence and TEACHED violance. Nobody teaches kids here to kill. I came to US from dictatorial country over 22 years ago and it took me a while to understand values of this country. US is not perfect and I never supported Iraqi war, but let's be honest, Iraqis are better off than they war under Hussein. Americans don't need Iraq nor Pakistan. It's always easier to blame someone else that yourself. It's just a human nature.

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dae ionno — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:03:21 GMT

No correspondent, no matter how intelligent or responsible can understand what is motivating or happening in another country without having lived there. By living I don't mean visiting or touring to report news. I lived five yrs in Asia, Okinawa, Japan, Taiwan and Viet Nam, as a military brat and then as a soldier. I learned that i needed to respect other cultures and people. Democracy does not mean the same thing to Pakistan as it does to us. Tribal traditions are just as important to indigenous people as our Constitution is to us. We are arrogant and should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan now.

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Doug, Kauai, Hawaii — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:07:59 GMT

I don't know why anyone is surprised that the Taliban has spread throughout Pakistan as it has. Much the same as in many other third world Islamic countries where the madrassas are the primary means of education, what is taught depends entirely on which way the Imam leans. Increasingly this means the young are taught to fear the west at best, and in the worse case, asire to martyrdom. The radical Islamist have largely run unchecked, the government turning a blind eye until the "elephant in the living room" steps on some toes. The Western world and all civilized peoples need to make it clear to the new Pakistani gov't that if it does not deal with Al Qaeda/Taliban, then the western world will have no choice BUT to deal with them, regardless of sovereignty issues.

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Dave , OH — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:14:14 GMT

Pakistan, like Obama said, either helps us or we take our own action. We have spent billions of dollars and we got nothing in return. Yes, it's a country in despair and has tons of problems, & radical islam is rampant & all that, but how long can we, the US, keep supporting these places, hoping they will someday improve,etc,etc??? how long?
At some point, the people have to make up their mind and figure out what they want?
We have one purpose in Pakistan - defeat terrorism and those forces that mean harm to the USA. It's simple and straight. If the Pakistanis want to improve their overall living and be accepted into normal society, yes, by all means, but stop depending on other countries for help. Enough!

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Clarence, Sacramento, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:15:03 GMT

Come on wake up! Iraq is on the front line of terrorism..., if we we're there that country it would be another Taliban link and supporter right in the heart of it all.

Stop your finger pointing as it doesn't do any good. Our government is showing how well that the policy of finger pointing does. Democrat or Republican, it's just not working.

Watch out, we are all about to loose America as the “land of the free” forever!

Period!!!

We had all better make stand on freedom, stand against terrorism and stand for truth and integrity and no socialism in America! The Constitution guaranteed freedom, free enterprise and no “government provides all”. If you don’t like….leave! Seems to me that most people like to move to America! Wonder why.

Obama’s Policy of operations has already failed! The collapse of the financial system brought to you by the Democrats and many head sponsors and former heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have proven that they are completely un-qualified to lead this country from a financial stand point.

We already know that Obama doesn’t stand a chance in leading us in the war on terrorism. He wanted to surrender to defeat in Iraq and Mostly for political gain. Making our children (men and women in the military) political pawns for this country.

They found lots of terrorist in Iraq, if we we’re challenging the terrorist there they would have focused their efforts somewhere else. Now that they know we have a handle on Iraq the terrorist are getting ready for the next round and there leaving the mountains. We’re already there before Obama!

He’s just a person that’s taken everything he can get for free from the people of the great country and He Wants More! It can’t make any decisions, he can’t! He’s a puppet to all those that have been giving him big big money. $$$$ and his note is coming due and if
He gets in office it’s going to be pay back time.

Do your research an open your eyes as Obama and the Media don’t want you to. They’ve already tried taking all they can from those who have more and guess what? There’s not
enough money to go around.

We’re all broke to the tune of $700+ billion dollars while Obama and others in his campaign have millions to show for it. He wants to align himself with his foreign buddies.

There was a book about taking over this country without a shot never being fired!, it was written over 30 years ago and the day is close.

Failed policies in Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae and 8 Million dollar homes for Democrats and now a chance to deliver the final blow by having a chance to run the white house.

They’ve set the stag for the final blow…..

Definitely “Enough is Enough”

Obama didn’t coin the phrase…, he is the phrase!

More needs to be done on the whole war on terror and the poor people of Pakistan I feel for them. When the wheels come off …Pakistan and their home will be destroyed.

If America continues to weaken it self with socialism and high taxes and to large of government…., well we could be in for the same thing done the road just a little different
twist.

The American people need to take control back from our government.

“Of the People for the People” Most politicians seem to be making their own rules now and not watching out for our best interests here at home and aboard.

Those on the take need to be made to pay it back and panned from politics and tested in court as to how they defrauded America.

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Kevin, San Mateo, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:20:54 GMT

Pretty overwrought article. Pakistanis will tell you whatever they think you want to hear. There's no evidence at all that he saw Taliban. I guess people gathering around is menacing to certain people. Actually Pakistanis gather around foreigners wherever you are (since there aren't many) and shake your hand saying how much they "love America". But it's not as good of a story though I suppose.

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Kev, Midwest — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:58 GMT

I spent 13 months in Pakistan working as an Engineer from 1998-2000. I spent 3 months in Karachi living in the Sheraton Hotel. Even then I met some of the anti-American faction, but most of the people had no problem with me. It's sad but I am totally not surprised by this article. I feel sorry for many of the Karachi citizens. In my opinion based on what I saw, they never had a chance.

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John, Canton, Ohio — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:23:17 GMT

The surge is working!.....for the Taliban.

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Sergio Z, Washington, DC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:25:42 GMT

This was real journalistic work not seen in recent times. Gutsy, taking real risks, asking real questions. Great reporting, Richard! This has more value-added than most intelligence and political analysis of the government because it actually goes into those neighborhoods, alley-ways and dirt-roads that most government officials can't. Policy-makers should be reading this and be taking notes.

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hamza, bridgewater — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:34:49 GMT

ken blankenship: US soldiers would get a thrashing if they dared coming into pakistan again. iraq would seem like a picnic compared to what the US army would face in that region. there are no taliban out in the open. mr. engel has written an out of touch article. the world 'taliban' simply means student. there are plenty of them in karachi who study at madrassas. they are not all from the border areas. end of discussion.

kman: karachi is as safe of a city as any other in the world with 16 million people. i bet you that the rate of violent crime in karachi is lower than washington DC. second, israel does not consider pakistan an enemy and neither does pakistan. any foray into pakistani airspace by the israelis would be a mistake. israel is not the US and pakistan is not iraq.

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b c coronado ca — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:36:10 GMT

i spent some time in Karachi 25 years ago with the military during the Soviet adventure in Afghanistan. substitute American for Soviet and everything sounds the same now as it did then. Pakistan also has a Sunni/Shia split that was not mentioned, nor the fact that he was in a Sunni slum. When the real killing begins look for the Shia to be on the receiving end.

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umer — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:36:58 GMT

I LIVE IS rawalpindi called ARMY GARRISON which is joint city of islamabad. the pakistan capital. i hav,nt saw any taliban elements in heart cities like karachi, where i usually goes to meet my uncle there, its all propoganda of MQM that taliban activities r increasing in karachi, but i agree that many madrass in notheren areas are taliban elements, creating problems in heart ciries of pakistan, and we have taken more than 1500 sacrifices of our soldiers more than afgan or US alley forces, our country is meeting them with bare hand, so how can someone say we should do more. we took more than 500,000 refugee from tribal area just to elminate taliban elements.so no need to worry about karachi

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Naveed, New York, USA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:37:11 GMT

When I think of Karachi, I think of a financial hub and port city of Pakistan, throbbing businesses and industries, some great authentic restaurants, a nerve center of Pakistan's economy. But unless and until there is no true democracy, corrupt politicians and army officers will continue to pad their swiss bank accounts and continue to harvest the crop of extremism because that is what is going to keep western coffers open for them in order to fight terrorism. Please do not forget that Pakistan along with UAE was the countries who recognized barberic Taliban regime in Afghanistan and continues to do so well after 9/11. Please check News archives and you will find umpteen number of speeches by Mussarraf defending Taliban. Taliban was created and nurtured by Benazir Bhutto when she was prime minister. Even today Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) covertly supports taliban... hence the main reason for yesterday's shakeup in ISI department. Under USA /CIAs nose Pakistan has created and nurtured this fundamentalism in order to fight proxy war in Kashmir. US always looked other way and added fuel by supporting every move with defence/arms aid and civilian aids to put the food on the dining table of near bankrupt nation. US recently supplied spare parts for F-16 warplanes to Pakistan. Just a couple of weeks ago, pakistan shot at NATO(US) helicopters at pakistan/afghan border on the pretext of defending the sovereignty of Pakistan. Days are not far, when American F-16s will be used by Pak Army against NATO/American forces. Only after 9/11, US has realized that US and world at large is not immune from the monster of religious fundamentalism that they have directly or indirectly helped to grow and refused to acknowledge its existence while 60,000 innocent people perished in pakistan sponsored so called Mujaheedin terrorism. Saudi Arabia is root cause of terror financing in Pakistan. With Saudi funding, thousands of so called Madressas have mushroomed which impart fundamentalist education to young kids in the name religion.

The problem is not going to disappear until US and Pakistan has a political will to address that. Killers of Daniel Pearl are still walking free in Pakistan and US has no guts to take the issue with them. World's second most dangerous man A Q Khan responsible for nuclear proliferation is still protected in Pakistan under the garb of house arrest. US has no access to him yet for questioning. Bush regime has only worked to cover up the issue. When US needed to look other way in Afghan war, they decided to get into Iraq on the pretext of fighting terrorism.

Not only Pakistan still protects the so called banned terror organizations in their soils, but also continues to protect and aid them. If you are not convinced, look at the following news item that just came down to wire! Pakistan government providing bullet proof armor vehicle to the chief of terrorist organization.

Wake up the people of America and western world... and learn historical facts and current world affairs. Do not forget that McCain was still defending Pakistan in his first presidential debate.

Hope good sense would prevail...

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Pak allows LeT founder to import bullet proof car
Agencies
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 22:09 IST

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan government has granted permission to the chief of the Pakistan-based terrorist group, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, to import a duty free bullet-proof Land Cruiser, worth Rs 25 million.

According to the interior ministry sources in Islamabad, the LeT chief, who fears a possible attempt on his life by his “external enemies”, had sought the government permission to import a duty free bullet proof Land Cruiser in view of the rising number of terrorist acts across Pakistan.

The sources said that after some lengthy deliberations on the issue, the government has decided to give him a go ahead to import a fully armoured Land Cruiser for his use from Dubai. It was for the first time that the leader of a banned jehadi group had made such a request to the government and it is also for the first time that the government has acceded to such a request.

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sparrow1, Atlanta, Georgia — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:40:38 GMT

If Karachi goes to the Taliban..... Wow!!! that is incredible -such a failure of the Pakistan government. What was Musharraf's office up to all those years? Or perhaps this was the plan all along. It does make you wonder.

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Shaq,Washington D.C, — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:44:20 GMT

Thank again for working you agenda . You neon-cons and chicken-hawk never get TIERD lies . This is home of the braves not chickens?? So stop scaring us. It's not working. NONE OF THE MUSLIM WORLD IS ASKING FOR OUR HELP YET WE STILL WANT TO (SO CALL) HELP THEM ,TAKE THEIR OIL,GAS,DIAMOND,GOLD. WE ARE THE BIGGEST BULLY IN THE WORLD.

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Jim, Massapequa NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:44:53 GMT

After reading this, I have no doubt about who should be president. McCain is is out of touch.

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Sridar, Severn, MD — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:44:59 GMT

This is a big lesson for the next President of the US. The 'war on terror' must be fought on several fronts and involve more than military action because terrorism is global. There should be global efforts to fight terrorism; the US can lead the global effort or should attempt to do so, by involving the world countries. This will take leadership not rhetoric during the Presidential election time. Fighting against Taliban and al-Quaida is going to take efforts to understand Afghan and Pakistani cultures, their way of life and mindset. Just a military action is probably a monumental misstep.

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Jeff, West Haven, Ct. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:45:39 GMT

There was a time when I would read an article like this and believe it complicitly. Now, with all the mainstream media bias today, especially left leaning like NBC, immediately I analyze the story not on its merit but rather the underlying motive behind its publication. I'm sure it has something to do with influencing the readers' opinion of the administration or conservatives in general. Just the fact that because of this I, and many others, think that way now when we read/view the news is a shame. Journalism died in 2008.

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Bloggerrich, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:47:40 GMT

I saw a few unjustified McCain bashes up there, but you can't really think Obama will be better at anything. Just remember ZERObama executive experience and you fully understand that we need a man like McCain to run this country.

Understanding the politics, people and their territories is crucial to understanding the problems governments face. The US cannot fix every bad situation on this planet. At this point, we need to focus on our own issues and those we are close to. If we keep our noses out of most of the "problem areas" in the world, it is likely they will leave us alone for the most part.

The bottom line on this whole middle east thing is that we should have went to Saudi Arabia. After all, they had 15 of the 19 terrorist in the 911 attacks. Going to Saudi Arabia would have resulted in thousands if not tens of thousands of American deaths and the whole world would have suffered as oil production would have stopped. Not to mention that if we attacked Saudi, there would have been a stronger involvment by all the Islamic countries. So we striked a deal with the Saudis and our friends and settled on Afghanistan and eventually Iraq.

My point is, you see politics are 100% involved and a child like Obama may have taken us to Saudi Arabia.

Another point is, that there is extreme diversity in Pakistan and the territory surrounding it. Islam and Hindu, Dictators and Democracy, sexism and equality, stone age and modern age. You can't compare it to the US or any other country as it has it's own set of rules. In my view, Pakistan should have never been separated from India, but it was. So now the world must sit back and let Pakistan determine it's own destiny.

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WB Mark — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:49:24 GMT

I really don’t think we Americans understand the Pakistan people. Their ways, their life styles, their justice system if you want to call it that. Their nothing there we can identify with. The Russians tried to change things there and failed. Now we are there for what and at what cost? Why do we always have to be the liberators when the rest of the world sits around and watches us get spit on, abused and destroyed? How about if we just focus on defending our borders, our interests and our needs. For being peace loving nation we sure know how to start a war.

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Glenntodd — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:49:45 GMT

Richard Engel, Most liked over there for sure ,They all respect him because he tells the facts,And is The Best Reporter Ive Ran across: God Keep you safe:

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Kevin, San Mateo, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:50:50 GMT

Actually Karachi is filled with police, paramilitary, and general gomers with shotguns outside of every restaurant and car dealership. It's not really a place where the Taliban are likely to be. Keep going on those sightseeing tours! I'm sure you'll eventually get to a militant group that isn't made up by your tour guide.

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Kevin, San Mateo, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:53:21 GMT

The biggest eye-opener about Pakistan is that it's nothing like the mainstream media want you to think. More than a couple of times I had people just come up to me, shake my hand, and impress upon me how they're not terrorists. Unlike Captain Fearmonger who scares away tourists and impoverishes the locals as a result.

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Fact Check, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:55:42 GMT

Its amazing how one article can make so many people think they know it all. Internet, in lot ways, is the mother of all ignorance.

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WatchmanD — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:58:37 GMT

I am extremely concerned when an unstable country posseses nuclear arms.

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Solon of Earth — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:59:58 GMT

The time is coming nigh for another global conflict. Many young men will die and America will refill it's coffers with the gold of combatant nations. This is the pattern of the world. Get used to it, for it will never change as long as there are humans. Don't blame the American leadership. It simply isn't their fault. No one and nothing can disrupt the patterns of human social evolution.

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Najam — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:24 GMT

Karachi is NOT the cultural capital of Pakistan. The Cultural Capital is in Lahore. Karachi has been ruined by a combination of the MQM, the Rampant Corruption, and the work of Mullahs. The Mullahs have ruined Pakistan. Pakistan was once a beautiful and great country, but these bearded morons are ruining it! As a country Pakistan has made no Progress since the departure of the British. Shame on all Pakistan for allowing this to happen to our country. Jinnah must be spinning in his grave, because this CAN NOT be what Jinnah Dreamed and worked so hard to create! We must stop killing ourselves and come together to take back our country!
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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Deep Purple, New Delhi, India — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:01:29 GMT

What was long considered a Hindu problem has now soured into a global issue. We have been shouting ourselves hoarse telling y'all that Pakistan is ripping you off, using your money to increase terrorism. Why? They are nice people, right? Yes, they are nice people, since they have to appear nice victims and helpful friends to get into your deep pockets! The masterminds of terrorism are here, the Arabs (no insult meant) are like bulls who attack a red flag.

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Art Mc Donald, Gillette NJ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:01:44 GMT

It is truly a shame and we are to a large part to blame. Afganistan has been largely forgotten by this administration. The rise of the taliban in particular is most unforunate. Anyone with so little tolerance of others is a blight. They corrupt the koran to their own ends and abuse women because they are afraid of them. What a shame.

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Jerry,Roanoke,VA. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:02:00 GMT

Afgan, Pakistan, Iraq, take care of yourself, do whatever, but stay out of the U.S. We don't want anything that you have. Come here, die here!

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Steve Banner, Detroit, Mich — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:02:54 GMT

Pull out every American, now, from that entire area.
Let them go at it amongst themselves; country against country, region against region, thisIsalamicStyle .vs. thatIslamicStyle, tribe against tribe. They are still stuck on feudal systems from the middle ages. There will never be a strong, relatively honest government in those countries. Let them do their own housecleaning.
When the populations have been thinned out; then deal with the negative survivors and help the positive survivors

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CP, Jupiter, Florida — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:04:50 GMT

Scary as it is, our military will have to chase the taliban all over the middle east and Asia. Unfortunatley, until the rest of the world feels the same threat as Israel,Great brit,and the US; innocent people will die, trains, busses and hotels will blow-up,and buildings will fall. I wish the next President (who ever) is not only brave enough to fight this fight. But is able to communicate and rally the support needed to fight it. I believe we have 2 choices that cannot do both. It is going to be a scary 4 years.

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Carlo, Chicago, Il. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:05:14 GMT

Every large city has its dangerous places, rife with criminals and bad people. There are places on the south side of Chicago that even the police don't want to go either. It's not that easy to completely eliminate all criminal elements, especially when they do most of their deeds under the shield of darkness.

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Khan, Plano TX — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:05:31 GMT

Its disgusting to see so many people rushing to a conclusion without questioning the author of his experience, his location, areas he visited. Everything is shoved under a carpet, a fiction is presented and people are congratulating him for a "brave journalism".

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Michael, San Diego, Calif — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:06:34 GMT

This latest report by Richard Engel is very foreboding. To recall that our CIA-special operations-US Rangers units came very close in late 2001 to locate and kill bin Laden and his henchmen near Tora Bora (not to be confused with the South Pacific eden, Bora Bora) is very frustrating! Check out the books on this in a Borders...the Russian war in Afghanistan should be a precursor to what will happen to us and our allies which are getting fewer by the month. Pakistan has nukes in which India is the main enemy, not the Taliban, I guess.

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Santosh C. Verma, Diamond Bar, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:06:37 GMT

Sir,
I think it has been over 555 years of USA support and alliance with Pakistan. Look what is happening to Pakistan. It has become a terorist State endangering India and world.
USA policies are failed policies. New ideas are needed. I have new ideas. Would you contact me? I am not sure. This is just a wasteful excercise. No one wants to know how to solve global issues. They cannot think outside the box.

Sincerely,
Santosh C. Verma
Diamond Bar, CA, USA

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Michael, San Diego, Calif — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:08:56 GMT

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Indian Joe — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:20:45 GMT

I like the idea proposed by Naeem from Chicago. By creating a fedration and bringing the two contries back together we will be taking a giant step towards undoing the fundamental mistake made by British when they created the two nations of India and Pakistan, the price for which the innocent people of both the countries are paying thru their blood over last 60 years.

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Mehnon, Chicago, IL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:20:50 GMT

t is hilarious and really scary to read some of the comments saying 9-11 was a "setup" by the American government, or responsible for the Daniel Pearl's murder. It is this uneducated, baseless accusations that lead young people in Karachi to join these awful groups like the Taliban. It is individuals like this that will lead to instability in Karachi and the rest of Pakistan. The majority of good people in Karachi will suffer as a result.

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Laura V., Danville, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:20:52 GMT

I hope your family approved of this trip. What would they do if anything happened to you? Was it worth it? With no protection and a blue shirt with khakis? That is too insane!! Too scary.

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Cobra, Cambridge, MA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:22:27 GMT

Pakistan was carved out of India without the consent of Indian People. An illegitimate nation founded on hate towards Hindus; has failed to reconcile its identity problem at personal and national level: Arab or Indian, Middle-East or India, whose history to adopt Indian or Arabian. By conversion to Islam they rejected Indians and its culture; but upon admission to Islam they were dismissed by Arabs as inferiors. This apparent complex has transformed Pakistanis to create a surreal identity and then assert it with force. So this pseudo-identity called Taliban is on a raise even after 60years.

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AJ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:23:49 GMT

One way to curb the Taliban and the Al Qaeda would be to intercept their funding?
But who is funding them?
The money mostly comes from Rich Arabs, private citizens and officials who, for one reason or another sympathize with the Islamists.
But how do those Arabs get to have so much money to basically fund an insurgent war against the mighty United States?
By selling us Oil for hundred dollars plus, that is how.
Now, believe me, I am no bleeding heart liberal, and were it not for the above mentioned reason, I would not be advocating alternate energy.
But I am sorry, moving away from Petroleum is our only chance against the Taliban/Al Qaeda combine.

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DEREK M. HERBERT, SAN DIEGO-CA. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:25:14 GMT

To Sultan Ashhad:
I am going to assume that you’re probably not from this country due to the obvious ignorant stance you have taken against the USA. Since you are that stupid, here is the correct version of what you said and a brief hsiroty lesson for you as well shall we: Yes we dropped two bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a non-disputable fact of history. However, have you ever heard of a little event called, "the day that will live in Infamy?" Japan attacked us; we were not involved in WWII whatsoever. Once that happened, yes we declared war on Japan and the rest is again history. As for Vietnam, this is how we got involved as a nation. France controlled Vietnam up until WWII when Japan took it over. After WWII Japan was forced to give up the area. Vietnam began a strong Nationalist movement in the time that followed when France began to regain control of Vietnam. They fought up to where the line between North and South Vietnam used to exist. They later gave up after a bloody battle at Dienbenphu. Up until this point the US had merely been funding the war. The US was funding it for two reasons: one, to improve relations with France, and two, to stop the spread of communism. However after the French lost the US sent troops in (in smaller amounts at first) to keep North Vietnam from taking over South Vietnam thus making it Communist. That is how we got into Vietnam, which again try reading a history book was never declared a war by our government but rather a police action (why so limited troops on our part). My dad spent the first two years of my life over there in a medical unit. So before you question the ethics of a country you don’t belong to, a little research might be in order.
God Bless America
From a retired Navy veteran
DMH

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amir, queens, new york — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:25:48 GMT

First of all, India-Pakistan union will never happen--to those Indian readers writing comments. If a small landmass like Europe can be split into so many countries then I am sure a huge subcontinent can be split into 2 pieces.

Second of all, Karach is one of the most TOLERANT cities. I am sorry but the last time I heard of a christian or a Hindu bashing didn't come from karachi but from an INDIAN CITY.

Third of all, these so called "TALIBANS" are being termed by karachi majority population who want to call PASHTUNS from the frontiers TERRORISTS due to their ethnic-linguistic and even racial differences.

KARACHI IS THE MELTING POT OF PAKISTAN.
If a great country like AMERICA can exist, which once was thought to be the biggest blunder by the Europeans in her early age due to her so many differences, then PAKISTAN CAN EXIST.

ITS ONLY BEEN 50 YEARS...WHERE WAS US IN 50 YEARS?
give Pakistan a chance and it will suceeed.

IN 50 YEARS THIS COUNTRY HAS ACCOMPLISHED ALOT, FROM ITS MILLITARY TO ITS ROARING MIDDLE CLASS.
let's not forget this nation was dirt poor--poorer than sub-saharan african countries during that time--and now it stands as a middle income nation with a rising middle class.

GOD BLESS PAKISTAN

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TJD, Manchester, N.H. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:26:37 GMT

Agreed, G.W. has missed the mark in many ways. BUT, lets deal with some facts. 37 days into Bill Clinton's Presidency, members of an Al Qaeda cell drove a truck bomb into a parking garage at the World Trade Center and detonated it. Millions in property damage and people were killed. Clinton's response [NOTHING] The USS Cole was attacked by Al Qaeda and 17 of our sailors were killed. Bill Clinton's response [NOTHING} Al Qaeda attacked our Embassy's and other interests around the world; Bill Clinton's response [NOTHING] Oh, I'm sorry, he cruise missled an Aspirin factory in the Sudan. Bin Laden is offered up to Bill Clinton on a Silver Platter and; you got it, he declines the offer. Is it any wonder why Al Qaeda felt emboldened to attack on 911. By the way, while there is no evidence linking Iraq to the 911 attack, there is irrefutable evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attack 37 days into the Porno Presidents first term. Oh yeah, Al Gore; the "alternative" to G.W. at the end of Clinton's presidency, is on record of having stated he wouldn't even have ventured into Afganistan in pursuit of Bin Laden. Another little factoid for you; the planning for 911 is documented to have started in 1998, two years before G.W. was elected. I for one, trust John MaCain with this nations security FAR more than Obama. An Obama presidency would signal it's open season on U.S. interests again, just like when Clinton/Gore were in charge.

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Noman, London, UK — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:28:19 GMT

Bullocks ! this is the indeed the new drama that america wants the rest of the world to believe in. Sadly, there are local people who support america on this absolutely rubbish story of talibanization of Pakistan. Pakistan is a soverign independent state, well capable of defending and protecting its interests. The reason that america & co (Israel mainly) have got their dirty eyes fixed on Pakistan is the Nuclear weapons. America created Talibans to fight russians, any idiot can well understand that talibans could not have stood a chance against Russia without US support. Now that they have achieved their goal, move on, lets have a base in Afghanistan and Iraq, keep an eye on Iran on one side and on pakistan on other side, because they are the last threat to US and Israel's dirty ideology. Shame on you, US & Israel !!

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TJD, Manchester, N.H. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:28:28 GMT

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Prasad, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:29:40 GMT

The issue is, the more educated people are, the less likely they are to take a stand that will put them in harms way. They are the ones who have the most to loose if the decided to stand up.

Which is what has been happening in Pakistan over the last 60 years. Its not that they dont have moderates who want development -- its just that the people who who want radical Islam are more willing to take up violence to spread their thought processes. Hence the violent factions have been slowly increasing their scope of influence to the point that today parts of Karachi have fallen victim to radical Islam.

What Pakistan needs today is for educated people to recognize that radical Islam is like a truck with no brakes gaining momentum on a steep downhill. The sooner they decide to have a "no tolerance " policy the easier it will be for them to stop this truck.

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Ali, Islamabad — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:30:22 GMT

Talibans were never against America, there must be something that turned them against America.
They are equipped with the necessary tool and experience of war through fighting Russians and yes they are deadly. But now the things have changed after what they did to the people of pakistan, killing innocent poor people in suicide bombings, we don't like them at all. Talibanization can never happen in Pakistan as we love aur country same as american love their, we wont let it happen. But for that America should stay out of Pakistan and let us deal with talibans our way because we know the ground realities better and we can deal with them better than anybody else.

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James, Corona, CA. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:31:32 GMT

As an American, we are damed if we do and damed if we don't, on ALL levels. The other countries are making their own problems because they won't stand up for themselves. If the countries are too POOR to defend themselves, how about a bounty on each taliban and al-Qaida fighter of two million dollars (US of course), not on their leaders??? That would be cheaper for us, to date, and stop recuitment wouldn't it??? We should stop giving away our BILLIONS and spend them on our country and people and military. How many times are we suppose to save the world anyway???? Send the UN to France too!

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Akaash Saini, Marysville, Washington — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:35:30 GMT

Reading this article just elevates my passion for becoming a journalist. Thank you very much Mr. Engel.

At the same time, reading other posts shows me a similar trend. Americans are surprised by the "Talibalization", while locals of Karachi are hurt that we're being exposed to this kind of news.

Mr. Engel wrote an amzing article and should be commended for his courage. At the same time he should have also explored different views from different classes of society.

All in all, I support this article, and support the statement that Senator McCain doesn't know what he's talking about, and we should get out of Iraq asap!

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David Powell — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:37:02 GMT

Instead of pointing fingers of blame I sure would like to see the Democrats joining to help ealwith this problem. Sort of like the Mortgage bail out, Pelosi couldn't wait until the deal was done to make a speech blasting the GOP.

You'd almost think the Dems were tearing down everything and wanted everything to fail just so they could point fingers hmmm....

The tactics that have worked in Iraq will soon be put into use in Afghanistan as Iraq stabilizes more and goes to the Iraqi gov't, and troops rotate out. Pakistan will be tricky because they apparently don't want US help, even with the Al Quaeda and Taliban types already declaring Jihad against them.

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Leigh, Atlanta GA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:40:29 GMT

Thanks for your efforts and courage to give this report. One of the commenter's said this was only one side. We get the other all the time with the state visits and positive press about lawyers trying to get a Supreme Court Justice reinstated. Its these stories we don't hear. That the people don't want this and the young ones are given little support in order to avoid radical islam.

We have a similar thing here where their are neighborhoods of thugs and gangs (all young) and not valued. The people live in fear of stray bullets. Ours is not radical ideaolgy that causes it though. But it is similar.

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Manny, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:42:12 GMT

I think that we need to stop sticking our noses into other countries' business and worry more about how the US economy is going down the tubes and how our own government is failing and corruption and greed is taking over overwhelmingly. We need to leave those countries alone and let them figure out their own way. Enough is enough already, we are not the father, the babysitter nor the police of the entire world. Look at Russia and EU, do you see them invading every country? NO!

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AJ, Astoria, New York — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:43:23 GMT

Amir - Last time I checked there were no Indians [Hindus, Muslims or Sikhs] trying to blow up people in Europe and America. Neither were whole parts of India controlled by Islamic Terrorists.
So, my friend, If Pakistan can only be saved by a reunion with India, then trust me, the free world is still powerful enough to make it happen.

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Angel Phoenix az — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:46:25 GMT

This war has been going on since mohammad. the orgin of the muslium religion started in violence, this is not just about them wanting the land. it's a religious war. no matter what we do they have taught this belief in the children that grow up. I strongly fear for both paki and all the other countires over there, cause it's only going to get worse. they have taught this belief in their children so evenif we did get rid of them, their children would just grow up to do even worse to us. talking with them and trying to "understand" them won't help. cause even in understanding them they are not going to change their belief. at this point we need to keep a close eye on them. help paki and all the other countries tring to fight them and make sure they do not get ahold of necular weapons. do we not see the next world war will be when they get necular power? they are stronger than we would like to believe. did we really think that they were only in those moutians? how are we shocked to find out that they are taking over cities? they are experts at hiding so I believe they are in more countires than we think and it's beyond the lets go get em. we are worried about osama. he is not our biggest worry, if osmama dies or is captured, do we not think they don't have a plan for that? he's old they don't expect him to live forever and he is not the only person that runs them. they are a people they have bus, lives, rules(granted not the one's we live by) so just like we are covered if something happens to our president they are covered if something happens to theirs. we need to look at more than just sending troops to get osmama and getting them out the moutians cause all that is doing is spreading them to other coutries, and when they go to new countries they are spreading their belief, and their views and they will just get bigger and stronger. we should be prepairing ourselves to handle them like we would handle someone as strong as us. we keep look ing at them like they are not a country so not to big of a worry just a terroist group. but have they not shown us they are a much bigger threat than that. they were the only ones since pearl harbor to give us such a big blow on our own land. doesn't that show us and they have grown since then and gotten more and more people and power. lord help us all. if we don't work with the coutries that are right there. i.e Paki, afan, ect. ect. help them fight them now and make them go back in the moutains.

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angelo — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:55:43 GMT

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
What would we think if someone invaded our country?

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Hari — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:56:14 GMT

As a Pakistani now living in Canada I would appreciate to say that what Richard say is the growing trend in Karachi my home for 27 years. My family come to Canada 3 years ago as my father dissapeared one day attending to his shop for which he owed from his father 20 years ago. Talibs in our area operate a gangs praying on businessman and people for safety money. This is what happened to my father and he would not pay. Instead, for us we left Karachi to be safe in Canada. It is best for USA and Canada to be there with soljers because Pakistani law does not protect Pakistani people.

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Phyllis McMeans Hartford, Ct — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:58:07 GMT

Mr. Obama can fix this if given the opportunity. Why because he is still respected in the world. Bush is so not respected, and more thatn that he is considered to be dumb. He does act like he has lost his senses. As far as the economy, get real now you all know that we are going to bail out our banks etc. it is the thing to do to save our economy. It is going to happen. AND FOR THE LAST TIME GOD IS WAITING FOR US TO PUT OUR TRUST IN HIM.

Phyllis M. Hartford, CT

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GK, Indianapolis,IN — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:02:30 GMT

Unitle the West believes the OTHER SIDE, that this is a war of Christian vs Islam, how can we win?

They are not kidding, and putting your liberal atheist amoral head in the sand will only ensure the death of the west.

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Malc, Toronto, Ont — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:05:07 GMT

Regarding several comments minimizing the impact of the Talibanization of Karachi, there is overwhelming evidence every day in the global media of their cruelty and methods used to intimidate and control the larger innocent population. The underlying issues here are that the Taliban has a proven record of open torture, murder and the killing and threatening of targeted groups such as teachers of female students across Afghanistan. Couple this with the tactics that they have proved to work for them which are employed in the villages of Afghanistan whereby they intermingle with the locals and maintain a high level of intimidation in order to undermine the local and regional governments, aid organizations and International troops. All of this makes it very clear that they can and are capable of taking over larger and larger areas of cities with their "underground government" in order to eventually push the country into a war that they believe they will win and then take control of all or part of Pakistan. Whover is the next US President they will need to outsmart the Taliban if they are to win "the war" against them and El Qauida. One critical way is to reduce their main source of income by doing whatever it takes to make a major dent in the poppy trade and reducing or eliminating the eleicit drug market globally by allocating some of the money they would have used for the military and using it for mass advertising and global public education of the impact of the money spent on such drugs on terror and criminal organizations and how it strengthens their ability to survive and prosper. Whatever military options are then taken would be better supported by the global population and their governments and have a greater chance of success.

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Tom, Philadelphia — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:05:18 GMT

Don't worry, when Obama is President, he will talk to those nasty Taliban and convince them to be nice. Just like he will bring your family back to life after a radical blows himself up in the restaurant you're having dinner in. 2008 Obama World Appeasement Tour, if you aren't tough enough to oppose terrorism, just talk to the terrorists!

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Danny, New York, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:07:34 GMT

The liberals are to blame for allowing Islamic Fundamentalism to thrive. It was the liberal's cry that we are unfair to the Muslims by censoring their religious expression that has enabled these fanatics to spread their beliefs. Being tolerant to the intolerant is lending support to hate. We must wipe out this infection of Islamic fundamentalism before it festers. And no, we don’t run the risk of becoming just as bad as our enemies by destroying them. That’s just more misguided liberal hypocrisy. We actually become better than our enemies by wiping out hate groups.

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Jenna, NYC, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:11:26 GMT

Great story - very sad. I am so sorry that this has happened to our Pakistani friends. I am so sorry that GW Bush went into Iraq instead of taking care of the Taliban, merciless killers with no humanity.

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max, Kansas City, Kansas — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:14:21 GMT

AJ -
"One way to curb the Taliban and the Al Qaeda would be to intercept their funding?
But who is funding them?
The money mostly comes from Rich Arabs, private citizens and officials who, for one reason or another sympathize with the Islamists.
But how do those Arabs get to have so much money to basically fund an insurgent war against the mighty United States?
By selling us Oil for hundred dollars plus, that is how.
Now, believe me, I am no bleeding heart liberal, and were it not for the above mentioned reason, I would not be advocating alternate energy.
But I am sorry, moving away from Petroleum is our only chance against the Taliban/Al Qaeda combine. "

You hit the nail on the head. The west will never win in this area of the world. We need to ditch oil, rapidly switch to electric vehicles that charge for local power utilities (preferably renewable, but since time is of the essence expand nuclear and coal and look to alternate means down the road)

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Dan, Chicago, IL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:14:55 GMT

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Maggie, North Pole, Alaska — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:16:21 GMT

I feel sorry for the people of Karachi, to have their land taken over by radical Islamics has to be heartbreaking. The only way to deal with these radicals is to run them off the planet. Taliban and al-Qaeda will not stop, they don't see things the way they really are. They only see what they want to see, and that is they believe anyone who is not a Muslim should die. That means they want to kill EVERYONE who doesn't think the way they do. Sadly, they even kill other Muslims who do not want to kill others. I think they are so fooled by these false prophets that no one can get through to them. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like that in this world. God help Pakistan, they're going to need it!

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c, seattle — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:16:33 GMT

Thank you Mr. Engel; I have always admired your bravery and listenedd to your reports while you were in Iraq and now to see that you would go to Karachi to send back some truth is more than brave. Please be careful and know many of us are praying for you and your safety.

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University student, new brunswick, New jersey — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:18:43 GMT

All of the people commenting here, talking about how sad and unfortunate the situation is in pakistan, are americans living here in the states. The people on here commenting about pakistan, with first hand knowledge of the place (or currently living there), are offering a very different version of the story to the one posed by the author. Why is that? The people living in pakistan, have nothing to gain, by depicting it in a more positive light than it is. If it was that bad, they'd want help. The author does have something to gain. A little exaggeration here and there, and he has a better story. The US media in general (and the political entities that support them) also have something to gain. The more dire the situation in pakistan is portrayed, the more reasonable american intervention (or invasion as the pakistanis may judge it) will look to us. I'm far from an expert on pakistan in general, or karachi in particular, but even I can recognize similarities between this article and the articles (now recognized as propoganda) that were so commonly spread prior to our invasion of iraq. Hopefully everyone on this board can realize, that this is just one persons perspective on one days events. It may look completely different on another day, or through another persons eyes.

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Timdoe in Portland — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:23:17 GMT

As I recall, during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980's it was the American CIA and the American military that funded the Taliban and its madrassas to the tune of many millions of dollars, because the muslims were against Communism, and Communism was our great fear.

America also armed their newly formed Taliban puppets with the American Stinger shoulder-fired missle which allowed the Taliban to shoot down Soviet helicopters.

Meanwhile the Soviets were also building schools and hospitals in Afghanistan, on a much larger scale than the current negligible American schools/hospital contruction taking place in Iraq.

Back then, it was the Americans who were supplying Stinger missles to the terrorists (Taliban) who were attacking the construction crews who were working on the schools and hospitals.

This was all, of course, before Richard Engel's time. But he shouldn't ignore the fact that it was American CIA payments of millions that originally created the Taliban as a substantial entity.

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Different Angle — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:30:17 GMT

Folks, I agree with most of the things written in the article, it remains a one-sided assessment of overall Pakistani society. People over there are mostly sick of extremism but they do not have powers. All the democratic options in Pakistan are corrupt and governments have not done anything for the public. They just fight among themselves while increasing their personal wealth.

Just because Pakistanis do not want Western influence, that should not mean they are Islamic extremists. They have never voted any extremist into the power.

In the end, to get yourselves knowledge of the culture and more importantly on how to fight the war on terror, please read "THREE CUPS OF TEA" by Greg Mortensen. Visit his web site at www.ikat.org. This is a story of an American mountaineer stuck in Pakistani tribal areas, who has been helping with building schools for the poorest kids of that region.

Greg Mortensen should be the advisor on that region.

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Greg, Londonderry, NH — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:32:01 GMT

The lessons here are clear and not new. Economic desperation brings about radicalization of a significant portion of the population. We saw this in what was to become Nazi Germany. All that is needed is for someone to come along and organize this into a popular movement against a common enemy. In Pakistan we have overpopulation and a stagnant economy causing desperation and radicalization for many years. Then along comes the Taliban with a proven formula to focus this into a single movement. Unfortunately for us we are the common enemy. The solution for this madness as always is to fight the terror forcefully while at the same time providing a peaceful alternative laced with economic opportunity. The key here is providing jobs and opportunity so that the taliban would rather be bringing home the bacon rather than be out of work plotting revenge against the enemies of Islam who are indirectly responsible for their inactivity and resulting poverty. In this respect Pakistan has failed miserably. Getting rid of the heavy handed military dictatorship is a step in the right direction. Establishing the freedoms to allow a free market system is the ultimate goal, one which the Taliban knowingly stand in the way of.

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Mac — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:32:55 GMT

Yeah there are Taliban there, as a fringe element, and yes, they have taken over some poor neighborhoods where people send their kids to the madrasses. But Karachi is a large city. Every large city has its gangs. The people as a whole don't want them, at least in the form they are now. If they ever got smart and became moderate, then they might succeeed politically, buyt these people don't know moderate. They don't know how to react civily. So they are going to remain a fringe group, ostrasized by the majority.

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Georgia — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:33:04 GMT

Hi Richard! Lisa! Your biggest fan from Alpharetta! PLEASE STAY SAFE ALWAYS RICHARD!!! That was an excellent account of your travelling through Karachi and extremely tense. I noticed you mentioned you were wearing your traditional BLUE SHIRT and KHAKIS! I would think one would get noticed wearing that outfit in that region. Pakistan is certainly a safe haven for the Taliban and the description of your experience at the gravesite was sounded scary. I agree it is sad it has come to this. I feel so sorry for the innocent people caught in the middle of the conflict. Peace needs to be the norm, but it will take quite some time. EXCEELENT REPORTING AS ALWAYS!! PLEASE BE SAFE ALWAYS RICHARD!! EXTRA ,EXTRA SAFE!!
Peace to you and to all!
Lisa

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Burned Out Hippie — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:34:35 GMT

There are places in Los Angeles that are not safe for an American wearing khakis and a blue shirt to go at night.

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wasif, fairfax, va — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:35:11 GMT

THis reporter is a little biased I believe. I was in Karachi a year ago, and most of Pakistan is liberal. Ofcourse there are people who are a little more religious than others but not to the point where they blatantly support extremism. I have family in DI Khan which is a conservative town and home to a lot of madrassahs. A lot of them do not share the ideas of the little boy who the reporter interviewed. Regarding the tribal areas; What people do not seem to understand is that for ages, FATA has had their own laws, their own courts and their own rulings. This was the agreement made between the federal govt and the tribes. Then why now all of a sudden should anybody ask them to change. as long as there werent any ouside influences they were fine. you can not expect an old dog to learn new tricks.

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Rich Wargo, Voorheesville, NY — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:37:58 GMT

To Sukaina, Karachi, Pakistan: Yes, it is a shame that Karachi has been so depicted. Yes, I agree that we in the U.S. have problems with people who commit violence against people who want no part of it. However, in the U.S., our schools do NOT indoctrinate people to go kill Muslims, just because they are Muslims. If the Taliban wish to employ Sharia law, and the people agree, that's fine. I have no problem with that. But when the Taliban indoctrinate people to hate and kill me, just because of where I'm from, then I have a BIG problem with that.

And I'm not going to sit back and let the Taliban turn their indoctrination into violent action against me. I'll take steps to protect me and my family, even if it comes to vaporizing Pakistan. After all, if you let the violent fundamentalists run things, then you don't deserve to be treated as civilized beings.

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Donna H., Mountain View, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:39:13 GMT

Mr. Engel's article is valuable not only for providing a compelling first-hand account, but also for giving some context for understanding the situation. He describes a city with an apparently great and growing gulf between rich and poor; where, although Karachi "is the center of the nation’s fashion, high-tech and media industries," the government is apparently not up to providing even basic services: many streets are lined with trash, some neighborhoods are beyond the control of the police, and the school system, the possible gateway for poor youth into the booming economy of modern Karachi, is vastly underfunded. Such a situation provides a fertile ground for the growth of radicalism in any country. In particular, the failure of the government to regulate the madrassas means that the minority of radical ones are allowed to continue unchecked in indoctrinating more youth into their paranoid and jihadist philosophy.

I don't know what level of commitment the current Pakistani government has to address these problems. And I wonder if any efforts by the U.S., either government-sponsored or private, to support the expansion of educational opportunities in Karachi could help; or at the least, demonstrate a different kind of concern for the Pakistani people than that represented by our bombers and armies. But it seems that greater efforts from various sectors of Pakistani society, including those who are benefiting from the high-end growth of Karachi, will be essential in addressing the gaps and lack of opportunities in Pakistani society and the consequent radicalization which can thrive in such an atmosphere. It would be interesting to hear of any such efforts, along with undertakings by Pakistanis in the U.S. to support increased opportunities for people in Pakistan.

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Mr. Positive Toronto — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:39:30 GMT

I read every comment. It's shocking how poorly informed most people are. If backward monkeys like the Taliban set up shop in Canada / England the USA etc. how could the average person defend against them? Especially, if the central government is weak. This is just the beginning. Sadly these cockroaches are spreading faster than we can kill them.

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Salman Lalwani Houston, TX — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:48:30 GMT

You have guts I must say!. Its really very sad. Thanks to the politicians of Pakistan. The biggest difference between India and Pakistan, lack of education. Pakistani politician were too busy building their palaces in UK hence they had no money left to invest in Pakistan. Lack of jobs has led to this mess and will take a serious effort of decade to get it cleared .I think if USA wants to end terror of the world they have to educate these people. With current corrupted President I just cant see Pakistan getting any better. God Bless All

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Ellen — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:49:06 GMT

This is scary. I was in Karachi last May and I'm sorry to read that the situation has deteriorated so much.

Yes, I also noticed "vultures circling the sky " when we were at the Jinnah museum.

But what I noticed in Pakistan is the people's strong sense of nationalism.

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Marsha, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:51:56 GMT

Well written. Go McCain/Palin. We need leadership like them who will help clean up these terrorists, not Obama/Biden who will hide behind "negotiations". Time for the good ol' USA to take charge and keep these terrorists on the run!

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Paul, Tampa, Fl. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:52:50 GMT

I have many friends who patrol the borders between pakistan and afghanistan. They've known for years about the spreading influence in the Pakistani populace. Their biggest fears don't come from who shoots at them from across the border, but from those who live well within the border and when they might have to engage them.

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Ali — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:53:02 GMT

last year, 25 young people killed in London because of knife crime. Is that taliban? No. Who killed them? your citizens. so first tackle your problems and get rid of them before writing about us.

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Raza, Canton Ohio — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:54:20 GMT

I am a Pakistani American, and you know what, I am tired of Pakistani Govt. Taliban for sure have fled to Pakistan after US went to Afghanistan and the proof is evident from suicide attacks and bomb explosions in Pakistan.

I strongly believe that if Pakistani Govt. does not do anything about the stupid Taliban, then we should do it ourself. US Govt clearly gave Pakistani Govt sooo many chances to do the job themselves but it looks like they dont wanna do it or not serious about it.

Especially the tribal areas sucks. Its like a no law land. I just dont know whats gonna happen.

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Gary Ackerman — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:00:31 GMT

It is not a matter of "understanding" the "Muslim" religion, it is a matter, of the majority of Muslims to stand up for their faith and what it teaches, not this rubbish that is espoused by self proclaimed Muslim religion "Leaders"> When all Muslims realize that these Taliban/Al Queda, are literally Bastardising their religion for their own selfish interests, will meaningful progress be made to stamp them out. This is the 21st Century, yet these areas are mired in 15th century dogma.

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Just say No to Obama — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:02:55 GMT

Great Article. The journalist is very brave. Since I do not want this type of mess spreading to the U.S.A. I will be not be voting for Obama. McCain will finish the Taliban. Binloaded thought he had problems with Bush. If you want Obama you better get all your Muslim good buddies and Mosque builders living in the U.S.A. out to vote.

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Brian, Tulsa, Oklahoma — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:04:26 GMT

It's time for all the George Bush haters to quit whining about where the war on terror is or should have ben fought years ago and focus on winning it today. It is in Iraq and Afganistan, and Pakistan. Had the democrats not adopted the affirmative strategy of undermining the war effort for political gain, they would not have given encouragement to those we are fighting and we would be much farther down the road.

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Carmen D Rivera Brooklyn N Y — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:05:12 GMT

Mr. Engel, As PAKISTAN, so GOES THE WORLD!! Stay safe!1

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Ely Dennis, Cliffside Park, NJ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:05:13 GMT

It is a sad situation. What is even sadder, is that we,the United States of America continues to send billions of dollars to Pakistan. We send this money, that we really don't have, to a country that is saturated with terrorists and terrorism. We send money to them so that the Pakistani army can pretend to be fighting the Taliban, when in reality they are having "F troop like battles" and engaging no one and attacking empty buildings. They are doing this to make us believe they are fighting terrorism in their own country. The real fact of the matter is they are doing this to be able to continue to take our money.
Don't we have enough economic and financial troubles in the U.S.? Those billions of dollars that are sent to Pakistan could be better used to bail out some of the thousands of people who lost their jobs in the finacial sector. Not to just bail out the big companies that were over spending and handing out million dollar bonuses to CEOs and higher management. So please,please, stop sending that money to third world countries who would love to see the U.S. crash and burn. Give that money to the people in this country who are losing their homes and businesses. God Bless America

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Steve vW — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:07 GMT

Hey John, the "Surge" is in Iraq and doesn't have much to do with the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan...

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Masud , Melbourne — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:48 GMT

Extrermism thrives in illetarcy and poverty. Instead of fighting the poverty and illeteracy, George Bush and his cohorts have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq,killed innocent civilians to eliminate terrorists,branded people and countries enemies to win a war that has no physical boundary and an enemy that can be identified. He simply plunged the world into chaos and anarchy- the world is now more unsafe.The rise of Talibans and Islamic militancy is the direct results of US policy, exacerbated by unthinking and idiotic leadership of USA. Lets wage a war on illeteracy and poverty to wade off darkness and embrace people of all faiths and colors, race and rituals and build a world of peace. I look forward to days when the human beings wont be indentified for good or bad, in terms of religions or reaces. When knowledge shall enlighten us the darkness of religions will vanish. The suicide bombers,fanatics, neocons flourish in blind faiths,lack of knowledge, irrationality, poverty, illitracy and the inability to use power and authority for the good of common people.

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Vet2, Washington,DC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:08:32 GMT

Retired Navy veteran,
You,being a baby during the Nam War, I understand your lack of knowledge of the sacrifice. More blood flowed than you could imagine in Nam in comparison to conflicts in the last 33 years. Never say it was a police action when 500,000 Christain men(mostly) and women were in Nam at a given time.

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Sandy S., Kansas City, MO — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:10:53 GMT

Will Karachi become another Kandahar?

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NORMAL CA NATIVE — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:13:23 GMT

Let me see if I have this right.
BHO with NO experience of any kind in military service
wants to be MY CIC with a world like the one described above?
I will take my chances with John & Sarah ANY DAY to help keep us ALIVE the next four years
I just can't wait for the first "crises" in an Obama administration to occur, and BOOM, there goes another pill factory in Sri Lanka or wherever

GO JOHN & SARAH

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Evets, Sacramento — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:14:46 GMT

I wonder if at any prior time in the history of the USA, there has been so much political division and vitriolic spew. The right is moving further right and the left, further left. Perhaps the average citizen is finally tired of what the politicians hath wrought, and is now speaking of them with absolutely no respect. I am saddened to see and hear our current president and both November election candidates maligned so viciously by both sides. The fervor I understand, but regret the intensity of name-calling and hateful statements. How about a dose of Greg Mortenson and his eleemonsynary Central Asia Institute? Of course there is enough incompetence and human failing to go around, and no doubt many political aspirations are fueled by ego and runaway ambition, but good for all of them - they're sticking their necks out and giving it a go. I haven't heard workable solutions yet - only complaints.

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Hammad — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:15:18 GMT

This article is based on lies, there aint no Taliban in Karachi, though this may give chance to Usa to Invade in pakistan like iraq and Afghanistan, my sincere requeset to this journalist and G.B bush is first win the war in Iraq and Afghanistan than look at our country....

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douglas raynes houston texas — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:17:29 GMT

Why should the U.S. get involved. Throughout history every nation has had to fight for their own freedoms. Amercians, french, scotish, etc. had to fight their own battles. If the pakistan culture wants to live this way then so be it. It's not our way, but maybe this is the way they prefer. Let them live there own lives and let us worry about our own problems such as our economy. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink....so be it.

-Peace

I do not think they are a world threat so let them fight amongst themselves.

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John, Florida — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:39 GMT

We don't belong, in Afganistan, Iraq, or Pakistan, We needed to hunt down a terrorist that struck the United States. Let the World Rot, we need to shore up this country, and keep the terrorist out. No one has asked for our help, so let the world deal with these problems. Let the United Nations which is totally worthless solve the problems without shedding our soldiers blood. This is why our economy is in shambles, 10 billion dollars a month to run a frigging war that we will never get back from Iraq. I'm a disabled Vietnam Vet, I think this country is going to hell in a handbasket. We need to stand back take a look at the bigger picture of why we are really in Iraq, its not to protect, Iraqis. They dislike us and want us to fight their battles, this is a religious civil war between Sunni VS, Shites, make no mistake the terrorist are planning as we waste our assets on Iraq. Bin Ladin is beating us by financially beating us. The whole world would love to see the US destroyed, remember the old saying keep your friends close, and your enemys closer, We have alot of countrys out there that pretend to me loyal to the United States, while they secretly want to see us ruined. When will this country stop trying to be the ones that has to lead the way for world peace, again I thought that Job belonged to the United Nations, apparently the UN, is just a bunch ankle biters.

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Flaming warrior angel — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:20:32 GMT

Hey you all .. I dont understand we allow them to burn our own country flags and we dont burn their own country flags ? I think it's unfair to America !! we should burn their flags as what they did to us !! We the Americans allow arab people to live in the U.S. and they dont allow us to live in their country ? oh please !! we should drive arab people out of the U.S.

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kirit bhatt — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:26:58 GMT

As some one has writen that india and pakistan should make a fedration of 2 country for god shake india should never make this mistake. we already have enough taliban in india we do not need to add whole county of taliban to india

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Howard Mova — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:27:23 GMT

I came to the US from ASia about 30 years ago and it is sad to see Charachi under the rule of fanatic islamic taliban militant. Our government should not give any money to support Pakistan, there the rulers from top goverment to local groups are corrupt and that is why the terror taliban is able to control and brain wash those dear inerrant Pakistanist to joint them.I enjoy your reports.

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Rizwan — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:29:20 GMT

@ Mr. Richard Engel

Did you actually went to suburbs of karachi ? no Sir, you didn't. May be a dream of which you have been thinking all that time and visualised that happening to you in reality. The scene you explained could have been a flop movie on theatres but nothing more. Those who believe in such fabrication may also believe in that you actually skyed away liked spider man and saved some innocent lives...and so on. Nice try though.

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Neil Pompano — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:34:10 GMT

I commend the writer of this article,showing incredible passion with his work.I think one of your readers made a good point and maybe provide her home town of Karachi some positive words so the people of karachi dont worry so much about loosing control of there town to US military. That might be the best option if having to choose between Talibinisation or US and its friends.

The ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan’s biggest city

Ather — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:34:48 GMT

Engel,

I am sure you'll get the promotion you were promissed for spreading this propaganda.

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Beau Bennett — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:48:40 GMT

All this talk simply avoids mentioning the 800 pound gorilla in the room. We need to pressure Israel to abandon ALL settlements and withdraw from Gaza & the west bank. Then, and only then, can we begin to address ANY radical muslim ideology and how to deal with it elsewhere in Muslim society. Until then, every martyr since the early 70's has had hatred for the US on their lips as they committed suicide. That hatred is based, upon Israels occupation of Palestinian land as it's cornerstone. We need to tell Israel to IMMEDIATELY withdraw or we will provide no more support to them. Go Obama!

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Grant M — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:51:19 GMT

Wonder why it would be written in english? do they expect an influx of americans? or is this well...one of those well needed WMD stories to get the people going?

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Proud American Louisville Ky — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:57:33 GMT

diplomacy will do nothing, never has never will. the only thing that radicals will understand is an overwhelmingly powerful show of force which we still have not done. unleash the full power of the UNITED STATES MILITARY and its unmatched arsenal of peacekeeping weapons and watch the evil doers shake in their boots just as the japanese did in WWII. warn every head of an islamic state that if it is determined that a terrorist strike was headed by terrorists who had save haven in their country thier largest city would soon be entirely flattened, those heads of state would hunt down the terrorists for us and hang them in streets for all to see.

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John Trotter — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:21 GMT

Naeem... Reunite Pakistan with India? Thanks but no thanks! Your intentions are good... but I beg to differ about your approach of pulling up Pakistan by making it a part of India.

That will only result in the complete Islamization of India.. with Muslim population being the majority... Sharia becoming the law... intolerance & fanaticism becoming the norm... and Koran becoming the syllabus in all schools!!!

Best wishes to Pakistan to modernize itself, get rid of all the extremist elements and to come into the 21st century of nations that live in peace and tolerance.

However let us not drag India into this. It has its own problems with islamists, fundamentalists, separatists, terrorists, corruption, poverty, illitracy, poor infrastructure etc. Why add Pakistan's mess to that pot?

India is making progress slow but steady on all fronts, thanks to the secular principles of democratic state and thanks to capitalism. Let it grow on its own to a position of strength.

Perhaps India can help Pakistan through bilateral trade and peace accords... but no more!

Good fences make good neighbors. So let them build a strong fence between the two countries and live as good neighbors should.. helping each other, and being tolerant of each other.

Marriage is not always the best solution... and with the intolerance of Islam towards the so called Kafirs & Pagans (Hindus), getting the two countries to be one is a recipe for disaster.

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Sukaina Ali, Karachi, Sindh — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:08:27 GMT

It's really disappointing to see such a distorted picture of the city I have spent 24 years in. I studied at a Catholic Convent school in which there were girls from all religions and stratas of society. I consider this topic absolutely ridiculous. There is no 'talibanisation' going on in Pakistan's biggest city. Speaking to a few radicals does not mean you know the bigger picture. These suicide bombings that have destroyed many innocent people's lives are thanks to the cowardice, incompetence and self-interest of our leaders and of course the United States which for some reason feels that killing innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq is its birthright.I mean if we are so scared of the United States attacking us why can't we defend ourselves using our nuclear weapons? Why on earth did we spend god knows how much on our defence if we did not want to make use of our weapons?People are dying either way. Better to die with dignity than to kill your own people on a bully's instructions The only man with guts in this world is Iran's president and I truly respect him for that.

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Amy, Torrance, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:16:11 GMT

I have friends and family in Karachi. I pray to God that nothing will happen to them. They are Christian and I am so scared. Please pray for the people over there. Christian, Muslim..all the innocents and good hearted. May God protect them.

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henry, chicago, IL — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:17:09 GMT

Some in Pakistan blame the U.S. for there being a Taliban. People fighting the Taliban who will stop the Talaban blame the U.S. www.memri.org No. 456 People in Pakistan do not want the U.S taking over.

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Rich Norman, Yadkinville, NC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:17:24 GMT

First, I am sorry to the folks that have to live in fear because of those that threaten them simply because they live there. My only concern here is, that our government hasn't done what they said they would do. What happened to the statement as to the US taking out terrorists wherever they are? The articles the other day about actions the US has taken in Pakistan, then our government saying basically, they were sorry? Maybe we shouldn't have been in some of the situations we have gotten into, but you don't appologize or not do what you said you will do and expect anyone to respect you after that. To anyone that suggests that the US doesn't have the strength to take out another terrorist stronghold or whatever is a bit too hopeful. I have to admit many of us would have prefered the US do what needed to be done in Iraq & Afganistan, then moved on to other problems.(Didn't think I would say that a few years ago.)It shouldn't be about changing the world, but it is about devastating the organizations that want to see our country destroyed. That's what was said, that's what it should have been.

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DRAGO UNIVERSITY PARK IL. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:28:49 GMT

THESE PEOPLE WERE DOING FINE WITHOUT US FOR CENTURIES. WHAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK THAT OUR WESTERN BRAND IS BETTER THEN THEIRS. WE HAVE DEVELOPED A SERIOUS MENTAL DISEASE THINKING THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW BETTER THEN OTHER PEOPLE. THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE OVER TWO MILLION PEOPLE IN PRISON. DOES THIS SMELL OF "POLICE STATE".MAYBE TALIBAN HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO CONTROL THEIR OWN SOCIETY. I AM WILLING TO BET THAT YOU DONT HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND AND RANDOMLY SHOOTING OTHER PEOPLE AS WE HAVE WITH GANGS IN THE USA. MORE PEOPLE DIE OF GANG VIOLENCE IN THE USA THEN IN PAKISTAN DUE TO TALIBAN. MAYBE IF WE LEAVE THEM ALONE AND STOP IMPOSING WESTERN VALUES ON THEM, MAYBE THEY WILL FIGURE OUT THINGS ON THEIR OWN.FOR NOW THEIR TRIBAL LAW IS THE BEST THEY KNOW. DONT FORGET NOT MANY YEARS AGO WE USED TO LYNCH PEOPLE FOR STEALING A HORSE OR WORSE YET, WE HUNG SLAVES AT OUR PLEASURE. I AM AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN AND NOT LONG AGO MY ANCESTORS PAYED A PRICE AT THE HAND OF EUROPEANS CRUSADERS WITH THEIR LIVES, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO CONVERT THEM TO THEIR BRAND OF CHRISTIANITY. I SAY "LIVE AND LET LIVE". THIS OLD TESTAMENT CONCEPT EYE FOR AN EYE HAS TO BE SCRAPPED OUT AND ERASED FROM OUR MEMORY FOREVER. WE HAVE A THING AS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF IT " THE NEW TESTAMENT" NOW. SO IF WE READ UP ON IT AND REALLY BELIEVE IN IT, ALL THINGS IN THE WORLD WOULD MORE TOLERABLE. PLEASE DONT FIX AND CLEAN OTHER PEOPLES WINDOWS AND HOUSES WHEN YOUR IS THE DIRTIEST ON THE BLOCK. LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND OTHERS WILL FOLLOW YOU FREELY. WE NEED TO GET AMERICA BACK, BECAUSE SHE IS BIGGER THEN ANY POLITICIAN OR ANY PERSON. SO THIS IS WHY THIS ELECTION IS SO IMPORTANT, WE ALL MUST BE INVOLVED, SO THEY DONT STEAL AMERICA FROM US AGAIN. PRAISE ALLMIGHTY GOD JESUS CHRIST FOR HE HAS RISEN TO DELIVER US FROM THIS BAD SITUATION.

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K.Adair, N.Y., N.Y. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:29:14 GMT

Mr Engle has done a couragous "Western-Style" brief and informative review of a seriously growing problem, in the city of Karachi. Thank You!! The Concerned Public in the "West" needs to be very aware of this serious,expanding dangerous situation.
The method by which it was obtained could be improved, though.Why one would wear a 'blue shirt and khaki pants', to a "suspected neighborhood" is somewhat confusing. That clothing combination was the un-dress of British Forces in Asia for some time,(patrol-dress for police forces in former British-Asia) and is an immediate "Red Flag".
Taking his contact and driver into these areas, dressed as a "High Profile Target", and continuing to question the local citizens after known Taliban supporters have shown up, has now put both his 'Driver' and his 'Contact' in some real danger. Faces will be remembered, license plates checked, etc.
This is neither clever, courteous, nor wise. A further note would be that any individuals in the 'suspected neighborhood' who were seen to be speaking to the "Ferengi", will be targeted and "Disciplined", by the Taliban/al-Qaida terrorist elements, because that is precisely how they work. I applaud the author's idea, but dressing as the locals, growing a beard, wearing a hat and being subtile would probably elicited more information, with much less risk to everyone concerned. The "Media", must stop behaving as though they are standing in "Times Square", and holding forth. That said, the commentary that he elicited is both informative, and vital. The Pakistani, Government must make a genuinely concerted effort to observe,monitor, and control this situation. Education is a very big part of the problem, and this is not a new situation. The Egyptians noted this secular-education problem twenty years ago, and more.
From Pakistans very inception, the Tribal areas and their "Life-styles", have presented each successive Pakistani Government with real problems.
After the Partition of India, as a direct result of Mr. Jinnah's un-compromising attitudes, and demands, the tribes have been semi-controlled and released to do the bidding of direct and indirect forms of "the jihad"; "The Kashmir Situation" being a prime example of that form of direct meddling, and may be directly laid at Mr. Jinnah's doorstep.
The madrassas controlled the attitudes then and do so now. Little Educational and importantly, Economic progress has been made.
Radical Islam's call is always "We Must Fight Them"; "THEM" changing from The British, to the Indians, to The Americans: in order to continue the religious strangle-hold on intellectual and social progress.
The Pakistani Government must take the un-popular step to police and enforce their authority, in all their cities as did the American Government when it went after the Crime Syndicates of the 1920's and 30's.
Serious changes need to be implemented in education, with economic help, and the Government must be intent on positive change, and a no-nonsense accountability. This will be very difficult for Pakistan with there wavering record.
Waziristan is still in the 12th Century; it vitally needs progress; but economic developement for the poor, as well as educational help must be forthcomming.
In this international effort, Turkey, could possibly be of great help, as well as other non-theocratic Islamic states.
I was aquainted with many Waziristanis when I was in Oman,and they were very much a group unto themselves, and their "Tribal-Writ", was exercised well outside their own borders.
To those of your readers who comment on the 'shaking of hands', and "We Love America", which they may have experienced and witnessed; sadly this is dwindling, not least because of Georg W. Bush's disasterous Iraq policy, which drew the focus of the world away from the "Taliban/al-Qaida Jihad", to the 'concerns' for oil.
I have been in Pakistan, I find it a Beautiful Country, and The Pakistanis with whom I am aquainted outstanding people, but they are very concerned that their country is becomming an un-pleasant and dangerous place to live. The American Government and the Developed Nations, would do well use more diplomacy and economic assistance, yet really also require no-nonsense accountability from Pakistani Government to get results.
The message: You can accomplish more with "Subtilety", Than you can by "Bully-ing", or "Grandstanding"!

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Salman — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:35:36 GMT

The world community has a job to do. There is no escape from working for a solution for a mess these big powers have created in this region. The western world needs to provide massive amounts of money and resources to develop the educational system of the country, and better renumeration for high skilled teachers, and make the defence of the country impregnable against the growing threat of always hostile India. This need to be done without waging a war against the Islamic schools. People need to use their heads and bring in good choices for people and do that without an hidden agenda. Anything less and any american style of intervention is going to spread the extreemism to an extent that no longer anyone would be able to control. Just remember that this Afghan criminal war against the people and nation has spilled in Pakistan and now spreading inside India. This is a global destablization done by American forces and crazy Bush adventures. It need to be halted immediately with better options provided to the people of Pakistan!!!!!

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Justin Smithman, San Jose, CA. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:37:02 GMT

Mr. Engel is a very daring man. This place seems like a proper place for people like him. That's why they have a sign out there in English. They're expecting his type. This attracts all the dare-doers; like the Taliban presence there. Maybe it's just a trap for all the evil-doers and dare-doers, this place. At least he's making some money being there, right? Bad job if you ask me. How much?

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David Knol, Delavan,WI. U.S.A. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:46:29 GMT

Talaban,Islam,Hindi National,Jewish,Muslim,Christian.
All one people,all one goal. To live the best life for them and their family.To be able to worship their faith unencumbered by threat of persecution.
So sad to think that since the dawn of modern man we have slaughter each other to keep what each only wants. Time marches on ,the players change but the fear and jealousy that fuel hatred keep man incensed by his right for his way to be the only way that is right.
One day it would be nice if we all just respected each others differences enough to let them be.
All nations believing in what they want with rights and freedom for their children to cherish as they grow up in a new world free of religious persecution and injustice.
I wish the best for all mankind.

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Syed Shabbir, Ann Arbor, MI — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:55:02 GMT

I have lived in Karachi (close to the Village restaurant mentioned) all my life. Although a very nice story, I believe that it simply feeds the unwarranted fears of the uninformed public.

Ofcourse, if you travel to the outskirts of Karachi, you will eventually reach a region populated by the illiterate, Afghani laborers who will eagerly share their anti-US tendencies. They in no way reflect the vast majority that comprises the city. I have known Karachi to be a progressive city that reflects the general American public in its concerns, goals and ideals. If you believe that fanaticism is overwhelming Karachi, you cannot be further from the truth.

I agree with a comment above that Pakistanis are generally interested in foreigners and will crowd around to have look a them.

I would also like to mention that Taliban actually means students. So be careful of the context in which you use it. Taleban for an American does not necessarily mean the same thing to a Pakistani.

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Kent H, Kentucky — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:59:25 GMT

Good article, wish there were more like it focusing main stream attention on Pakistan. To all those who found this another reason to complain about McCain or Obama, try getting a life. Bush is fair game as he has had 8 yrs to craft foreign policy, but neither candidate has had a single day in the oval office to craft anything. So get over yourselves you partisan asses, you're part of the problem.

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jay kactuz, Phoenix, az — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:10:56 GMT

Thank you, Islam, for destroying one more city and country.

Notice I said islam, not "radical" Islam. Why don't Muslims wake up and start looking around? Why don't they consider what their religion teaches and its effect om their lives? Why don't Muslims stop blaming others for their problems?

Look at the state of all islamic societies. Look at Pakistan and what happened after 1947. Consider the differences with India. While the Hindus got rid of their Arab overlords and ideology, the Pakis continue to obey them and follow their teachings.

Of course, in any Islamic country, if things are bad, they have two standard solutions: 1. blame it on everybody else and 2. more Islam. And it then gets worse, so they apply the same two solutions.

Oh, by the way, we should get out of any and all Muslim countries. They are beyond redemption.

Kactuz

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Chris,peoria,az — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:14:01 GMT

It is absolutely amazing of the stupidity and blindness of obama/biden supporters, do they really understand what is REALLY going on or are they just blind in wishing a community organizer with ties to a terrorist william ayers has any REAL experience???? just listen to his comments which are profoundly dangerous to our country but favorable to our enemies!!! When the terrorist organization hamas is endorsing obama we should ALL wonder why? When the russians invaded Georgia obama said we should go to the UN and seek resolutions against russia but the brain surgein that he is forgot russia has veto power in the UN!!! Yeah we REALLY NEED HIS EXPERIENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!

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Vince Tucson Arizona — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:24:09 GMT

To Sukaina, Karachi, Pakistan:

May our countries be friends one day. I would love to see your city. Thank you for your comments. I like to know all points of views.

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Shoaib — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:29:18 GMT

Thanks for bringing this up to the eyes of the people.
We need to understand that Taliban and Talibanization are two different thing. Taliban are students (studying in religious mercenaries). Taliban is local meaning of student. There is no harm of being Taliban. The problem comes when Talibanization (which is a process of forcibly asking people to have the undefined version of Islam as Islam don't ask people to join forcibly) starts. Karachi being a liberal city and also the revenue engine of Pakistan has been a hot cake for many people and parties. After the severe crack down by the Army in the Northern Areas of Pakistan against Taliban, they have started moving out from Northern Pakistan and moving into the cities. Karachi being a huge city can provide a good hideout to them. They are famous for their guerrilla wars and Karachi can be a suitable place for them where then can work against the interest of Pakistan and also generate illegal funds to support their colleagues in Afghanistan.
Karachi is mainly dominated by Mohajirs (migrated from India in 1947) and MQM which represents them is winning from Karachi for the last 20 years. MQM is getting more than 80% seats from Karachi and this even didn't change when MQM was under severe Army operation in 1990s. People of Karachi love MQM and they have unprecedented support for MQM.
Mohajirs are not whole heartedly accepted by the ruling elite of Pakistan which is comprised of Punjab and all the federating units have complains about them. Due to this MQM has been portrayed by them as MAFIA which is simply baseless.
MQM has been alerting the threat of Talibanization in Karachi for past many months but no one was believing. Now Hearld Monthly magazine published by Dawn Group of News papers (the most reliable and neutral new paper group)has highlighted the same in their recent issue http://www.dawn.com/herald/. This validates MQM,s claim.
The recent reports also shows that two areas of Karachi have been talbanized and people have been asked by the radicals to do what they want, means they have no liberty of their own.
MQM needs support from all quarters to counter this as it is the representative party of Karachi and Talibans in Karachi only think MQM as their enemy and a barrier between their islam and the liberty of Karachi.
Karachi needs MQM and MQM needs every one's support. Only together we can win the war.

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kennywynne ( SLC UTAH): — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:29:31 GMT

It would be great for all you who don't like this
great country to leave. When you left nuts speak the
hate just rolls like a waterfall. I don't think Obama
is what we need but i don't attack the man.Most of
you who attack MCcain will never serve this country
anywhere close to him. He's an american just like you
and me.Lets have view points but do it with respect.
Are you left folks proud of Polosi. She hasn't acc
00000 It's time to vote these ego folks out both rep
anb dems. By the way I'am rep.I want the best person
to win, at any level. Obama to many faces but a nice
American.He's no John MCcain. God bless America.

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Bill, Virginia — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:33:32 GMT

My father was in Karachi during WWII when he was in India and what is now Pakistan as part of U.S. logistics support for the Burma Road and the Chinese. When I was younger we had Pakistani military officers visit here in the U.S., and several Pakistanis were students at my university. They have great potential and a desire for democracy and opportunities for better lives. The Taliban seem like a really nasty gang in LA. They have a generally weak government that is afraid to confront these terrorists. Individuals in Pakistan cannot stand up against the Taliban if they are individuals, even if there are millions of them. Hopefully their government can see the light and work with the people to drive out these Taliban vermin.

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levicro — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:34:02 GMT

interesting article.. and amazing range of comments that go from total lack of compassion and understanding for other cultures to deep understanding of cultures, traditions and history....

whatever the neocons think you cant project US power through the culture of a people... when power clashes with culture power will loose... though much carnage will ensue.. death and destruction solve no problems.. but create many.. the author of the death and destruction will become due for their own.. those who live by the sword die by it.. Im not speaking of US only... Im speaking of anyone who walks this path... its a narrow line between freedom fighter and terrorist... in the eyes of some WE are the terrorists..... in a way there is little difference between high tech drones unleashing explosives on questionable targets and suicide bombings... they both serve a single purpose... and that is to try to make the other side say "uncle".... but when you fight against the home field advantage.. its tough to win....

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Asoluka Edet, Plano, Texas — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:49:33 GMT

Kudos to Mr. Richard Engel. Rich you are a brave and wonderful journalist. What you written goes to show the entire civilized world world that storm clouds are again gathering on the horizon. It should be made clear to the new Pakistani government that it's not going to be business as usual until they start addressing the problem before it explodes and engulfs the entire Pakistani polity. Now is the time to hold their feet to the fire. They should be made to realize that time is of the essence because when the whole country is engilfed we don't want them to call or ask where is America. If they don't know it they should be made to realize that Pakistan as a sovereign nation is sitting on a keg of gun powder meaning that they are on the brink of collapse. Pakistan cannot claim to be a democracy where a band of thugs has held most of the peace loving ones to ransom in the name of ideology. Again Kudos to Ricahrd Engel for job well done. But be careful Rich not to overdo it putting your life in danger in order to get the story out. Also we should all be praying for the peace loving people of karachi. Bless you all.

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Ritesh Chand, Vancouver, Washington — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:25:49 GMT

I am not anti pakistani or anti Islamic person, but the truth is always bitter. The Pakis didnt even fight for freedom when British was ruling India, they waited till India got its freedom then they started demanding their own state. Well look at it now, a nice democratic country they have. Through out its history all they could do was have a dictorship rule their beloved country. They fooled United States in telling them that they are the allies, but in the background ISA is supporting Taliban and Al qaida. And yet the foolish U.S. government gives them Millions of dollars in aid, which gets spent on modernization of Paki armed forces. Nevertheless the pakis dont want the U.S attacking the border region of pakistan and afghanistan. Yeah, what a nice allie United States has.

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Guido — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:33:52 GMT

Richard, articolo eccezionale (great story). Guido

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Dev, Mississauga, ON — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:34:28 GMT

I lived for few weeks in Club area of Karachi (Sheraton Hotel) As a North Indian I was suprised by the warmth and affection I recieved from everyone. In Teacher's briyani joint I even got free dessert. Karachi is city of immigrants & refugees, many were from India, some from Iran some Pashtun refugees. There are very few real locals in that sense. Hence it is natural that some some ethnic wrangling, elbowing taking place. It doesnot mean that Pashtuns are taking over. It is just political positioning. Nothing to be alarmed about. Karachi just looks and feels like Old Delhi is many respects.

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paul007ex, seattle wa — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:41:45 GMT

The US is more than capable to take out these guys - its about diplomacy and politics though.

The US will go into Pakistan whether under McCain or Obama, gauranteed.

-Paul
http://mccainpalin2008.blogspot.com

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Skip Goddard — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:56:18 GMT

The missguided war against Iraq diluted our afforts in Afganistan, and left a job undone,even though right wing pundits like Sean Hannity proclaimed it a done deal (same with Iraq) in our war on the "Axis of Evil". Why weren't the requested troopers sent to the Rangers when they had Bin Laudin trapped in the Bora Bora region? If we could have caught him then, it might have derailed Bush and Cheneys plans for Iraq.

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Jamie Parry, Manila, Philippines — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:56:50 GMT

Having the Taliban and associated elements in Karachi is no new event. When living in Karachi in the mid eighties lare numbers of people from the Frontier province and beyond began moving to Karachi, destabilizing the area. In those days they were called Mujahadein. In in effort to control all illegal trade they moved to Karachi in droves making many areas unsafe. Regular battles ensued as they took hold of illegal activities from the traditional participants in Karachi, all from Sind. Look back through history and the curfews and problems in Karachi all by the predecessors of what is now called Taliban. Make no mistake however, Karachi was/is a great place to live, I certainly enjoyed it and especially enjoyed the people when working there.

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Sarah — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:02:11 GMT

I very much second the thoughts of Sukaina from Khi. I have lived in Pakistan for many years and now live in Michigan, but my family still lives there and goes about doing their day to day activities just like normal. I feel also that these types of articles taint the image of Pakistan for the rest of the world.
And just as Sukaina said, we make such a big deal about the Taliban etc, but what about all these college killings that cant be controlled? And who has ever stopped to think about the over 1 million people that have died in Iraq at the hands of the US? Is that not a tragedy bigger than the Taliban?

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introspective, Atlanta, Georgia — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:03:18 GMT

When you take a nation and divide it as England did, into India and Pakistan, the mistrust and hatred persists for generations. Go back 30 plus years into Pakistans history and you will see a fostering of terroristic activities but it was always directed towards India. Now it is no longer an outwardly directed force, but it has begun, yes begun, to move inward and take over the entire nation of Pakistan. 50 years after the partition of Yugoslavia what will Kosovo breed? You can't divide a sovereign nation and split it along religious lines and expect to maintain peace.

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Ejaz, Raleigh, NC — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:05:33 GMT

To a person with a hammer everything looks like a nail. This dude went to Karachi looking for Taliban, sure enough he found a few.

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sara, chicago, Il — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:10:11 GMT

To Amir from Queens, NY. Please do no even try to compare the Indian subcontinent to Pakistan. I visited Lahore and did'nt see a single Hindu temple, Buddhist shrine etc..Indians are secular and tolerant, unlike the pakistani nationals. As far as the economy..there is no comparison. All Pakistan has done in the last 60 yrs is train terrorits and send them out to destroy the US, India & Europe..it shows,the pakistani economy is in shambles and they are dependant on handouts fron none other than the US , a country they love to hate!!!

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Senopati, College Station, TX — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:15:24 GMT

Mr. Engel is a kind of journalist with sense of adventure and bravery. His writing has been giving us a fresh look of what's really happening in the ground. We need more of Mr. Engel's news.

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Lorraine, Eastsound, WA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:17:23 GMT

Mr Engel, I second the emotions of those who have praised your bravery and urged you to stay safe! This story could not be more important; thank you for helping to tell it. My heart aches for good people everywhere who are forced to live with fear and privation. That our country has wasted an unthinkable amount of money and shed the blood of innocents to fight the wrong fight in the wrong place, is truly horrifying.

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Alamzeb, NewHaven, CT — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:18:22 GMT

well to hear about whats happening in karachi breaks my heart.I would blame the politician and previous presidents particulary the pig zia ul haq who brought this menace islamic fundamentlism and the self proclaimed champion of Mahajers or migrants from india altaf hussien. I think western world should deal with menace of islamic fundametalism with their first priority. It is like a cancer if left untreated will spread to whole world. Pakistan has almost half Million useless Army, where an ordinary General live like a king of some Country.They should get rid of half of the armed forces and make a peace with India. If we are in peace we don't need that huge army. Politicians are consider two sided drums , you can play them on each side, which means they are opportunists. People such as Benazir and her beloved husband now the president of pakistan almost make this country Bankrupt, Benazir didn't die for democracy but For her own interests. Well my solution is Hang all the politicians in Pakistan specially Molana Fazul rehman a fundamentalist bastard.
Well really make me so Sad to think about whats happening in pakistan.

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Harold Angel — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:19:31 GMT

Richard Engel was taken on a wild goose chase by a taxi-driver. What a pathetic article...with an illiterate taxi-driver (who saw $$$$$$ the moment he saw Richard Engel)as his expert guide, brave Engel has illustrated yet again how ignorant Americans are when it comes to the muslim world. 90% of the people posting here could'nt locate Pakistan on the map and 100% of them are not aware of the historical FACT that America spent hundreds of millions of dollars on religious parties and madressahs in Pakistan between 1979-1990. It was the CIA that master-minded the spreading of the Jihad Gospel. They are the original "brain-washers".This nihilistic version of Islam is America's creation. You reap what you sow. It's funny how empires always arrive in this particular region when it is time for their demise.

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Van Nguyen, St. Pete, FL. — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:23:02 GMT

What Richard Engel did is shown lights in the areas around the world that no ordinary policticians would ever dare to set foot in. This is the purest form of journalism, by putting they lives in the front line to enlight all of us what are going on around us that beyond our knowledge or imaginations. My hat is off to Mr. Engel, Daniel Pears, and more than a thousands who sacrified they lives to covered the front lines news Iraq/Afghanistan and Vietnam wars.

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RAZZ — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:37:04 GMT

"MR.Richard Engel" Sir,I thank you for an incredible piece of good ole Journalism, Brought on by doing a full and complete Job..Great Story It truly is about Time we get some solid truth about whats going on in Pakistan, tho I realize by reading some comments that by those who live or have lived there this kind of exposure may be bad for the enemy,it will inevitably do more harm to the residents and the innocent of this old and colorful city,,,,This kind of reporting I like. It answers more questions from a believeable source than we Joe Public are led to understand,, anyway Richard great work,,I bet you had the crap scared out you eh ? Buddy,,,,,,,,Not that anyone's asking,But,as this is a very delicate situation, I would ask why is the ,,,,,,,,, oh yeh like wild Horses at the starting gate and no-one to sound the bell..............RZ

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S.Mohan-Singapore — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:18:12 GMT

This is the real situation on the ground and this is where US Government should press Pakistan government to take action.

Pakistan is unlikely to be saved because lot's of it' people are unaware of the real situation. Many Muslims still believe in blaming the west and India for their woes. Unless they take full responsibility , the real peace will never come. The founding father of Pakistan started this country with dictatorial approach and hatred for India. What has it lead the country to? Today, too many innocent people are suffering and more harm is on the way in the form of Taliban. The solution rest in Pakistanis themselves. What kind of life do they want. My advise to all is to leave to Pakistanis to decide their destiny.

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Alison, Virginia Beach, VA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:27:34 GMT

It is refreshing to read what seems to be a non-biased report based on true events. We cannot be blind to what is happening not only in Karachi, but the rest of the world.

The good people in Pakistan don't fight because their lives are directly threatened by what we we would call a mob. It is our duty to find the Taliban and treat them as the crime committing mobsters they are. At the same time we must be compassionate to those who are oppressed by the Taliban and keep them in our prayers.

As for John Doe, it's seems funny how you can make a blatantly ignorant comments that have no value and not even have the guts to mention your real name.

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Eric, Troy, NY — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:31:57 GMT

There is a strange national pride in Pakistan. Claiming soverignty yet on the verge of a civil war against extremists who are avoiding the border where we can easily target them. If the Taliban/ AlQaeda are fleeing the "war zone" I'ld say we are already securing the border and the Afghan countryside to a greater extent than reports would suggest. On the other hand it appears that the Pakistani army can not protect its own people as well as the NATO troops are protecting Afghanistan. I guess it is up to the Pakistani government to decide what is in their countrys' best interest and so long as they decide to go it alone they must suffer the consequences. I also fail to see the importance of BinLaden at this point in time since he is just another of the many extremist each of whom is as dangerous as the next. Being they are safe inside Pakistan and likely have been since their ouster from Afghanistan I also fail to see how this war will be won at all without Pakistans invitation. No number of troops will end the Taliban problem, ever, the way things are.

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Daedra, St. Louis, Missouri — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:45:56 GMT

I think one of the major issues is quality of life and education for people. If people live uneducated, they rely on their local clergy and religious teachings for what the truth is. One of the main factors that al-Qaeda has going for them is that there are a lot of people living in rural areas who do not have access to formal educations. Therefore, they can be told anything and believe it to be the truth. Americans can be infidels, terrorists, thieves, etc. This type of mentality spreads like wildfire; hate is contagious. I feel blessed to live in a country where I am allowed to question not only authority, but religion itself, and I am able to speak my mind. I have been educated enough to realize that people should be allowed to practice whatever religion they choose, even if it is not my own religion. In order for a positive change to occur, this war on terror cannot be won with violence or force. It must happen through education and tolerance of people for each other and our differences. More money should be invested in educations and solutions that WORK. Service to others and their communities will bring a much greater sense of satisfaction and real, positive change than killing someone and their family. This goes for us and them...Everyone needs to change they way they think; all people, regardless of color or religion, want the same things: food, shelter, happiness, protection for their children and family, educations, and freedom. Variety is the spice of life; we should embrace our cultural differences and learn from each other. It makes me sad that it has come to this, and that certain people in power abuse that power to frighten and control people. That's why education is so important. People need to know the truth about what is going on around them. If the radical Islamists knew the lies that they have been told as well, they would realize that their leaders are interested in power, just as other leaders around the world. It's no different.

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NA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:46:57 GMT

WHAT A JOKE THIS IS YOU CALL THIS FEARLESS REPORTING SEEING A WRITING ON THE WALL THAT SAYS TALIBANISATION OF KARACHI, GOING TO A MADDRESSA ( RELIGIOUS MISSIONARY SCHOOL ) IN A SLUM AND SEEING YOUNG MEN IN THEIR 20 s AND SOMEONE TELLLING THE REPORTER THEY ARE TALIBAN AND HE BELIEVES THE GUY THE POOR REPORTER GOT SCAMMED AND HE IS DOING THE SAME TO MSNBC IF HE REALLY WANTS TO INTERVEIW AND MEET THE TALIBAN GO TO THE TRIBAL AREAS AND BAJUR AGENCIES AND IF YOU CANT DO JUST DONT DO IT BUT DO NOT FOOL THE NAIVE AMERICAN MANI STREAM THE REPORTER PROBABLY DOES NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPEAK OR TALK THE LOCAL LANGUAGE LET ALONE THE LOCAL DIALECTS

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Sam USA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:53:13 GMT

I think this another media propaganda to set things for future assualt on Karachi!!!

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peter , satellite beach,florida — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:55:30 GMT

Super report, Richard! I like your reports very much because you tell it as you see it. I know it is brave for a Western reporter to dig for Talibans. It is quite obvious that the different culture and outlook on life will make for an uncertain future. I hope future American foreign policy can help to foster more tolerance between our different ideologies. Is there any hope or will it be an endless war?

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:57:05 GMT

I saw the same type of sign in my city. it read "save our country from the socialist/ hippy party"

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SAM USA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:18:24 GMT

GOD BLESS HUMANITY!

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AJ, Chicago IL — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:25:30 GMT

Mr Ohio & Mr Washington - Please try using facts in your messages instead of just random spouting off about your obvious dislike for either McCain or Republicans. But then again, ignorance is bliss!

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Kozak, Phial., PA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:26:13 GMT

There will always be Taliban and al Qaida memebers and leaders. No matter how hard or long we fight, there will always be people to replace them. The United States should have never entered the Persian Gulf. Now, the only way to have true peace with these organizations is to have direct talks and compromises with them. Without that, we will be fighting a "War on Terror" for the nexxt 100 years.

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Richard, Chicago, IL — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:29:19 GMT

From the statements made by pro-Pakistanis, you can see the hatred that festers within them. They gladly accepted the help of the US over 50 years. To answer some of the comments made, India has NEVER attacked Christians or like, being a Hindu country. This is more propaganda and misinformation being spread thru uneducated sheiks and the like. And to threaten the US is foolish. Being born here, and knowing the US, we do not cower for nobody. Do you really think you could win a war with the US? What information are you reading? Facts, we have control in Iraq and Afghanistan... Yes, there are insurgents, but they are like the rats you see in the street. As much as you can try to exterminate them, they live in the sewers and such, so a lot of the time it is hard to reach them. The thing is, once the rat leaves its hole, it will meet it's death. God bless the USA

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Lahore — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:37:32 GMT

I do not understand the need of this man to stereotype everything about Karachi in such a bad light. A man who comes for just few days perhaps not more than 5 days, yet he claims hes an expert about karachi or pakistan. No doubt, Karachi is known for the notorious presence of mafias, but that doesnt mean everything about it is negative. there are far good wonderful things and places in karachi than there are negative ones. I feel this is an unjust potrayal of karachi. Let us not forget that karachi has one of the best educational institutions like aga khan university and doctors who graduate from there and doing so well everywhere in this world, and it has other wonderful engineering and business schools, many of the places in karachi are so beautiful, and it is unjust for Mr Richard to totally paint it in very bad light. He came here with his trunk for hardly few days and he portrays such a bad image of this city. Im sorry to see such blind fanaticism and one sidedness especially in a journalist.

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I know , Baghdad, Iraq — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:50:14 GMT

I see all you idiots blaming Bush for the way things are in Karachi but you really have never seen the real picture. How many of you recall when Bush wanted to go into Pakistan after the Taliban but, their president and the people of Pakistan didn't want it? Not many I'm sure!

Diplomacy won't fix this except with the willingness of Pakistan to let us come in and help eradicate this pestulence with their assistance.

I don't see Obama having the cahones to wage a war with all his preaching about change. This was a good article but, is it really true? From past experience I know the media to have it's own agenda and, the worst thing about it is the American people fall for it and then they protest not knowing what is really going on.They only see what the media wants them to see and hear and not what is really going on. If Pakistan wants us to help they will ask and as they are an Allie any attack on their sovereign territory would not be greeted well by the world.

Wake up and smell the coffee people!

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John Collier, Seattle, wa. USA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:34:06 GMT

A brave man this.

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Umair,Karach,Sindh — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:35:41 GMT

HI.I was born here n karachi and i have been living here for my whole life.There are no such things as taliban and al qaida here.It is totally false.Why would tha taliban come here of all the places in Pakistan?This is just propaganda by some people.

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Ahmad Fraz, Karachi, Pakistan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:36:20 GMT

Very good article and I congratulate the journalist for his courage, even I wouldn't dare go to the areas where he went besides the fact that I live in Karachi. Problem is that now there re 2 Pakistans, one is that of elite class, which is ruling the country and other is that of masses. These 2 classes are totally divorced from each other and this breads contempt. When a poor man, who cannot afford even a bread, sees a person ridding on a $100,000 SUVs, you had a recipie for chaos. The elite have carved themselves special residential areas, occupy all posts in Govt and business and have utter disregard for the masses. we can only hope that a person of integrity comes along as a leader who is able to unite this nation because without that unity, you will need a visa to travel from Lahore to Karachi or vice versa.

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Shahana, Islamabad — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:42:23 GMT

Great article, but it makes me sad. While India is a destination of business outsourcing, Pakistan is the place where the world outsources terror. The politics of religion makes it impossible for any international businesses to invest here. The money that we get from US gets channeled to Taliban commanders or for war in Kashmir. We were hoping that US war on terror would clean such elements from our society, but our dictator president ensured that Taliban, ISI and Al-quida, have a free run on all matters relating to the state. It is a common misconception that the border area Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists. The fact is there are training schools and colleges all across Pakistan who prepares students to fight. There graduates start from the ages as young as 14 to get paid to fight in Afghanistan, Kashmir, Bagdad etc. It is really sad that people travel to our country, from around the world to get these trainings. While India is the biggest powerhouse of IT solutions, Pakistan has turned out to be the biggest source of computer viruses around the word. I just hope that people in our country become aware of the real human needs like peace and harmony. I just hope that some day, Pakistan would start contributing constructively in the world.

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Luis, Los Angeles, California — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:47:50 GMT

wow Engel...this guy put his life on the line and made it out alive...amazing...

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Khalid kareem — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:01:06 GMT

I lived in pakistan and i dont know what other people are talking about how they are surprised to see what is happening becasue i was living in islamabad with frequent visits to karachi and have encountered much of what is described but then again look at the article and read between the lines could it really be true no video evidence probably no way to track the story the person giving the tour is given an assumed name the driver a tough guy from tough part of pakistan there are thousand of tough people from different tough parts of the world so the driver is nameless and then comes the kicker an old guy saying he didnt expect to see a foreigner in the hotel come on atleast get creative nothing he outlined here was anything new or unheard of for all i know this isnt even true the connection information isnt provided the driver unkown and the taliban and the locals he encountered untraceable from my point of view this man lay in his bed in the hotel saw an tough old man from the tough part of pakistan named malik and let his imagination do the rest.

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Land Of The Free — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:28:19 GMT

In my honest and sincere opinion as a citizen of the US, "invasion" of Pakistan should be the last of our priorities.
First priority should be internal stability, which is achieved by a strong economy.
Of course homeland security is always the deciding factor in the end of each debate and I don't argue against it either.
We have tried war in Iraq (for the wrong reasons) and Afghanistan and have achieved not so much. In fact our somewhat insensitive approach is alienating a lot of Muslims around the world. One can't fight an ideology with weapons; a mental change is necessary to combat what we have at our hands. We spent billions in the battlefields, funding countries without accountability and God knows what. We need to be more assertive in administering where these funds go and how these are helping the common people, rather than fill the infinitely deep pockets of the corrupt politicians.
With that said, it is my humble opinion that a war against Pakistan should be the last priority, if a priority at all. America is in no economic shape to pursue one anyway. Our leaders should sit with Pakistan officials and get accountability for the loads of money flushed to the land. How many new schools have been established there? How many children getting good education for free? Medical care? ... Where did the money go anyway? I don't think the issue is Talibanization for Pakistan, I think its extreme poverty, political instability and an unhappy populace. Such place can easily become breeding grounds for terrorism.
I wish my best to the city of Karachi.
Sorry for this long post, I just felt like providing my humble opinion which leans towards winning people over rather than simply crushing them.
Thank you for reading :)

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John Doe — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:37:43 GMT

Mr. Engel, please take precautions before venturing deep into unprotected areas like Pakistan. Hire some private security/independent contractors or the like. We would not like a repeat of the horrific Dan Peal incident (God rest his soul and protect yours).

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Jonathan, springfield, MA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:45:44 GMT

thank you for this article. good luck with your work!

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R M Harjai, New Delhi, India — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:51:09 GMT

Terrorism where ever in world has reached to what ever levels it is seen today, it is by direct/indirect support of USA. Taliban is also creation of USA, who never thought that one day the devil they are creating will challenge them. Osama is in hidding at Pakistan is a fact known to the USA. ISI and Mushaarff were protecting him is also known to the USA. The biggest rogue country in world harbouring and producing the terrorist is Pakistan is also a fact known to the USA. India offered her support to finish this terrorism once for all, but USA preffered Pakistan in dealing with the terroist in Afghanistan. The results could not have been better. Stop shedding these crocodile tears on Karachi getting Talibanized and understand very clearly that India, Israel and USA together only can taclke and finish this terrorism, may be it means inviting a world war with all the Islamic countries joining hands the potential epicentre could be Iran. Truth will win. To maintain the peace after taming the terrorism, we need to evolve a common civil code for the whole world human society. Let all types of religious conversions be stopped once for all. Let anyone/everyone pray as per their belief, in their temples/houses, but do not encourage/discourage other people to join them by force or by lurement. All religions should help us to become a better human being, therefore cannot be better than other. The only two religions in world who preach their superiority over others are Islam and Chrstianity. Hinduism is the only religion that seeks and absorbs emerging views from all others societies. The permanent solution is to pray that all live happily.

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Muhammad, Islamabad, Pakistan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:20:39 GMT

Lol. Ok here's the thing. The SCALE of talibanization is TINY in this country. THis overblown example is just one way in which journalism sensationalizes a popular belief and blows it out of proportion.

Take it from a Pakistani Citizen: TALIBANISATION IS NOT RAMPANT IN THIS COUNTRY.

If ANYthing, its on the decline because of what these people have done.

You people keep talking about our lawless tribal areas n how they need to be pacified, WELL for your information THE TRIBES THERE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE TALIBAN, NOT FOR THEM. I personally know people who have to fight for their tribal militia when their turn comes, and they do that to stop those people trying to take over their lands.

Radicals are in every society. KKK anyone? And what about those American Separatists people living in their compounds and what not? And what about your own radical christian groups and completely nonsensical evangelists?

Every society has these people, if all of a sudden i went n talked to a bunch of them in the middle of some American city n proclaimed OMG AMERICA'S FULL OF RELIGIOUS FANATICS!! Wellllll that wont work will it?

Someone said to a friend of mine in Ireland: OH YOU'RE A MUSLIM! YOU WORSHIP THE DEVIL AND OSAMA BIN LADEN.
Someone said to another friend of mine in Florida: WHY DOESNT YOUR DAD DRESS LIKE OSAMA? WHY IS YOUR SISTER WEARING A T SHIRT? WONT SHE GET KILLED?

Just goes to show how EASY it is to influence the minds of those too stupid to think for themselves, and that is exactly what articles titled like this one do.

Salute to you for having the guts to do what you did sir, but shame on you for proclaiming something so profoundly destabilising in the eyes of the world based only on what you WANTED to see and believe.

(To the webmaster: Publish this please. Wouldn't hurt to hear our point of view for a change.)

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A US MARINE, Philadelphia PA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:04:15 GMT

Im sorry, but could at least one person who's added to this blog submit something more than just their own private, incredibly politicized, agenda on the table. Not a single person here as even considered world history while writing their 'opinion.' First of all, you want to blame the US for whats happening in Karachi or the ME in general... blame FRANCE, or ENGLAND, or any other COLONIZING country thats totally destroyed the leadership within the ME. These religious "Zealots" (a term given to JEWISH terrosists during the ROMAN occupation) who you call Muslim Extremeists are nothing more than a new Political Elite that have filled the power vacuum provided by the withdrawal of British and French DICKHEADS. How bout you read a history book. Secondly, stop blaming the US for 'atrocities' like Nagasaki and Hiroshima as if they were anywhere close to a terrorist threat. Do you all have any idea HOW MANY LIVES (American and Japanese) were saved by dropping those bombs? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! Get your freaking grip on reality... this country is the single greatest superpower since 1991 and the fall of the Soviet Empire... and yet we have NOT COLONIZED/CONQUERED a single square foot of foreign territory in Europe. And while one might argue that that's what we're doing in Japan today, ill have you know that Japan has done NOTHING BUT PROFITED from our current arrangement.... Gee, I guess America is so imperialistic and evil we should abandon the principles upon which we were founded. Give me a break. if you "bloggers" continue down your slippery slope of anti-americanism.... pretty soon you wont have a country that defends the very right that you have to bad mouth it. Grow up.... and grow a pair.

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Lauren C — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:54:10 GMT

Read "Because They Hate" by Brigitte Gabriel...it's not the US, we are too ignorant and trusting...we are the infidels, plain and simple. Once that is understood, we can understand our position globally.

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Ed W. Lakeland, FL — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:21:23 GMT

This article is fascinating and frightening at the same time. Having lived in the Third World for nine years of my life I am well aware of the basic theme presented here: that the fault line between western culture and islamic culture is one of the mind. Our battle, forced upon us by islam, is a battle of ideas. We have not done well so far in battling radicalism, except to send troops and fight. But no matter how many we may kill in battle, the ideological war will continue unabated, and the real question is, how to wage war against ideas? The first thing we must do is strengthen our own culture, return to our own values and roots. If the Taliban took over Camden or Miami, would our own people have the strength of mind and heart to reject it? I worry about this, because we have left our own cultural and spiritual roots behind and as a nation, simply live for the moment.

Remember that radical islam invaded Europe in the middle ages and Spain was under islamic domination for a long period of time until El Cid came along and led the uprising to push the invaders back to Africa. This is what they wish to do again.

As an American youth living in a poor Third World country I encountered anti Americanism in the '60s. I asked an old hand from the British Embassy why they hated Americans, and he said, "You're on top mate. It's your turn to be hated."

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Steve, Brighton, UK — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:22:07 GMT

The Western,secular world will continue to appease adherents of "moderate Islam," in the futile hope of empowering them to reclaim the "religion of peace."
The asinine "Islamophobia" is levelled at all those who care enough to expose Islam`s origins and its 1400 year campaign to subjugate the human race under the quran`s edict that Allah`s law must prevail.
It`s not American foreign policy that has the world moving ever closer to a cataclysmic confrontation, it`s Muhammad and his successors foreign policy.
Islam split humanity into 2 factions, believers and unbelievers. The unbelievers constantly strive to extinguish the light of Allah, therefore they must feel themselves subdued by the best of peoples.
The rise of Islam, for the most part, was "spread by the sword." The muslim warriors burst from the Arabian peninsula, looting and slaughtering in the name of their god and prophet.Within a 100 years vast swathes of North Africa, the Byzantine middle east, Persia and India were brought to heel by the implacable muslim warriors. Muslim incursions into Europe are well documented, the islamification of the Balkans and its bloody legacy, still threatens today more upheaval and bloodshed.
The Saudi`s, as the keepers of Islam`s beginnings and traditions, understand fully their Islam. Give it the name of Wahabbism, and pretend that it is a corruption of Islam. It is not, it is brutal, undiluted Islam as practiced and perpetuated by the prophet and his inheritors.
Wherever Islam has triumphed, it has sought to eradicate freedom of thought and conscience. It currently enslaves the minds of over a billion people, dissension to its intasigient doctrines is crushed by men who understand its goal.
We will continue to whitewash Islam in the west, to ignore its tenets laid down in its immutable teachings, as documented in the Qur`an, ahadiths and sira. Muslims, along with the truth, have always been its first victims. And the beat will go on.

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Muhammad Owais, Karachi — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:37:08 GMT

A very easy journalism with no real effort. There madressah in every mosque.. in real Post areas of Karachi and Islamabad.... what the hell he is investigating??????? just go to slum in every city of the world and u can easily get leftest remarks...

"They didn’t have weapons or appear threatening, but didn’t attempt to hide their sympathies for the Taliban. One man proudly told me several suicide bombers had prayed in a nearby mosque".

Go to the Belfast areas and even today you can easily get sympathies for IRA....

Shame Shame.... Mass Media job is to Get the real story....not to caryy caushin Jobs.....

Sorry....but I must say....bad piece... with no editorial checks.

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Ali, Islamabad, Punjab — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:53:29 GMT

After reading the whole article, I begin to wonder that it was all good before 9/11. SO What Happened? After 9/11, everything changed isn`t it?
And ofcourse I don`t like to remind who was behined it. I`m sure every American living in NY knows it [you can read all books & films ESP. LOOSE CHANGE - SECOND EDITION, research done people in the USA.

Obama says, "Goodbye Iraq, Hello Pakistan" isnt dat what heard from the Time Magzine?...Iraq`s done, turned on Iran [who already made a clear statement to Back Off!], so now pakistan! after that.....PROBABLY CHINA?? I would never think so but i do...

well it`s all pre planned, a series of history where America needs Pakistan for it`s benefit and left when the objective was complete! Read The history if you don`t believe me. [I`m not pointing straight to the whole country, As far as I think, A WHOLE COUNTRY IS NEVER BAD, SOME PEOPLE ARE!]

STill the unfound person. Mr Osama Bin Laden [A Bla bla ex FBI agent], who knows if he`s still in service? can we be so sure?

I ask, did war in Iraq brought fruits? did war in afghanistan brought fruits?
CAUSE WITH THAT< THE EFFECT WAS= IT`S STARTED IN PAKISTAN ASWELL. militants pushed in Pakistan, so what now is it really our fault?

PLus The balance of power in South Asia is disrupted with this WOT.

Taliban is nothing, it`s just a thought. STarted in the 60`s when USA VS USSR. after abt 60yrs (after 9/11), HAS IT REALLY BEGUN TO MALFUNCTION?

Even Science says "Every Action has a reaction".

Starting all This and warring! who`s the root terrorist now? who is?

ALL I CAN SAY IS: WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION TO ANY PROBLEM! BRINGING DOWN BUILDINGS, KILLING A COUNTRY`S OWN PEOPLE IN THOUSANDS WITH OWN MILITARY AIRCRAFTS AND THEN BLAMING AND STARTING WAR IN OTHER COUNTRIES WILL NIETHER BRING PEACE AND PROSPERITY TO ITSELF NOR NOR OTHERS!

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Kaffee, Karachi / New York — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:56:25 GMT

Local Karachi political groups are more than capable of dealing with the "Taliban" described here. The "West Slum" described here is known as "sohrab goth" and has been the site of an Afghan refugee camp since the 1980s. The Afghan refugees brought drugs and weapons with them. Most of the readers of this article may not be aware but this "war on terror" has been fought by citizens of Karachi since 1986 when a group of what would now be called Taliban lay siege to an areas called Aligarh and Qasba colony. This was the first of many ethnic and sectarian clashes in Karachi's history and led to the formation of 'MQM' a political organization that resorted to militancy to fight the Taliban. (http://www.massviolence.org/+-Pakistan-+?artpage=6-12)

I believe that cross-border attacks on Taliban are counter-productive because they provide evidence to their propaganda that suggests that the United States is trying to colonize muslim lands. It increases their credibility and helps them recruit.

If you remember the 1993 Waco Siege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege) against Branch Davidians, you'll realize that the ATF made the same mistake that the US is making in Pakistan today. When the ATF raided the Branch Davidian compound, they only reinforced David Kraish's teachings that the US government was the enemy of Branch Davidians and would try to sabotage their religion. This led to mass murder and carnage. Similarly, by attacking Taliban on Pakistani soil the US is only helping them ideologically which more than compensates them for their damages.

Finally, I want to point out that the "democratically elected" government of Hamid Karzai has been a leading cause of the violence. Old warlords have now been made governors, and terrorist groups have become political parties. If they complain about terrorists crossing the border into Afghanistan, they should do more to stop the flow themselves! Its the same border! If the Pakistanis aren't securing it, Afghan National Army can curb the flow as easily. When illegal Mexicans cross into the United States, the minutemen and the US border patrol stop them. Mexico was never asked to contribute to curbing the flow. The fences were established by the United States.

Of course the Pakistani military doesn't want to curb the flow! If they do, Karachi will become Kandahar. We prefer that the Taliban go into Afghanistan and get carpet-bombed rather than each of them committing a suicide bombing in mosques, hotels and KFCs of Pakistan. If the Pakistani forces were capable of securing the border, they would have stopped the massive influx of their fighters after the US and Northern Alliance forces defeated them in Afghanistan. It is possible for the US army to draw out the Taliban from the tribal areas of Pakistan. All you need are simple military tactics. Withdraw forces from Kandahar, let Taliban pour in and then wipe them out. If General Petraeus can work the surge and put an end to the reign of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, I'm sure he can draw out the Taliban from Pakistan without crossing over. Unfortunately, this won't be politically expedient and neither John McCain nor Barack Obama will be able to get any votes off the 'war on terror' if it ends abruptly. (Nor perhaps, will the colonization of Afghanistan be justified?)

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Shahamat Shah, Karachi, Pakistan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:07:07 GMT

Corruption, bad governance,poverty & lack of education is the root cause of such problems. Dictators in connivance with corrupt politicians, feudal lords and corrupt bureaucracy is responsible for such crises.

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Umair Mirza — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:13:10 GMT

engel. lol .. wat guts . for like past two weeks . i hav ebeen partying .. shopping till 4 am in the morning .. Karachi is the place to be .. better than many !! cleaner than many !!! www.flickr.com/photos/funkee .. few pics i have taken of my city !!! happy EID

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Mani — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:25:08 GMT

This articles is a master peice of propaganda and these kind of jounalists are funded by the interested quaters to generate such kind of malicious campaigns to build the story so that they have an excuse to step in the name of ''WAR ON TERROR''.The real motives are hidden and often strategic as wel as political.The slogan of ''Talibanisation of Karachi'' is the only brain child of Altaf Hussain who fleed from Karachi just because of his criminal record and is now afraid of comming back inspite of his party rulling the city.The people of Karachi are peace full and industrious and always busy in struggle for earning lively hood for their dependents else where in the country.Karachi is the mini Pakistan and reflects pakistani culture in one pot.No one need to be afraid of any Talibanisation of Karachi as these Madrassa are there for centuries and never created any problem for the city.It was MQM a terrorist organistaion in the clad of political party which seiged the city and killed thousands of innocent people who differed with their criminal philosophy and the proof that they are a terrorist movement is the decison given by the high court of the Canada on the basis of solid proof produced before it.MQM for its wested interests to creat a kingdom for Altaf Hussain,is unfortunately inviting the out side intervention by propagating the fear of Talibanisation.I being a Pakistani can assure Americans all other westereners that there is no such thig as is being propagated by the media and that Islam is a Region which Gaurentees the Human Rights/Animal Rights as an integral part of its Devine teachings and a real Muslim will never harm any Human Being if he is not threatened of his own life or his religion's basic beleafs.He will only retaliate when his relegion or his life will be at stake.Islam also gaurentees the freedom of relegion as is mentioned in a Verse of the Quran in Sura Al-Imran,''There is no compulsion in the relegion,indeed the right path has been made distinct from the wrong one''.
These journalist are the mongers of distraction and ones that takes place there business flourishes and they take pride in ''Breaking the Story''which never existed.I can assure you that if I am given a freehand, I can carve such stories from the cities in USA and other westeren cities,which can have media effect that west is full of terrorism but is not highlighted.Basically it is politicla agenda which shapes the propaganda to fullfill the stretegic goals.

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Haider jamal — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:37:21 GMT

I found the article quite enlightening. i have lived in Karachi since 1961 n hv seeb it transform into a lawless city where now I fear for my life and property even during the day, where once I used to roam its streets in the middle of the night without fear (except for lecture fm my parents!). since the MQM seized power in this city, it has bn going steadily downhill. Developments made in this city are cosmetic. They donot provide jobs for the hordes of youth churned out by the various universities in the city. when there are no jobs, and resultantly, no food on the table, people would turn to crime, initally for providing food, clothes and shelter to their loved ones, This later progresses to trying for a lavish life style with ill gotten wealth.
In such circumstances, people, esp. the youth would willingly join the taliban or any such organisation, without much thought.
The MQM leader sits cosily in London, wearing designer suits, and sermons people in Karachi over the telephone and vows not to allow the Taliban to take over Karachi. What actually began as a turf war between the MQM and the Pathans for street crimes has now become a Taliban threat to karachi. The MQM. although in power both at the centre and in the province since 2002, has done nothing to control the law n order situation in Karachi because a major chunk of the money snatched in the streets of Karachi goes to the pir in London so that he could maintain his luxurious living style.
Unfortunately, no government in pakistan has to date asked the source of MQM's funding. Nor has the british government investigated the sources of income of the Pir. they did not do so for the jamaat - e - islami in the past.
Madressahs were set up by Zia-ul-Haq, another protege of the U. S. He needed them to protect his power. with enormous funding from different sources, these madresshas have now gone out of control and refuse any refroms. Ziaul Haque, if he had been sincere, could have funded the education system existing in the country to educate and liberate the people from their backwardness. Unfortunately, the USA was a partner in his diabolical schemes.
To revert to the main topic : there is no threat of talibanisation in Karachi. It is a turf war between the MQM n the ethnic Pathans; the latter are now joined by the drooling ex - Mujahideen of differing nationalities for the plum that is Karachi.

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Lisa McNeil,Alpharetta,Georgia — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:41:52 GMT

Hello Richard! This is an excellent piece and I always admire your dedication and bravery for reporting from this region. PLEASE ALWAYS KEEP SAFE AND WELL RICHARD! Your a suburb journalist and you always give a truthful account of the situation in any area your covering. It is very sad and unfortunate for the innocent people of this region that the Taliban has become so dominant. It would be alot safer and more peaceful world if these terror groups didn't exist.
Your blue shirt and khakis always looks great on you and I know you wear blue shirts and khaki pants often when reporting. Always look great! Excellent reporting as always!
ALWAYS,ALWAYS KEEP SAFE RICHARD!!
PEACE TO YOU AND TO ALL!
Your biggest supporter in Alpharetta!
Lisa

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AP, Karachi, Pakistan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:56:31 GMT

This article is entirely one-sided. Not only does it portray Karachi in a limited manner, it also seeks to exotify the Taliban. 'Taliban(ization)' is an ideology; not necessarily something you can see/touch/feel. Engel is using a very reductionist approach when he says that he didn't want to leave before seeing any 'Taliban'. They aren't martians. They are normal people like you and me who have certain beliefs that we may strongly disagree with but that still merit that we attempt to understand them.

What Engel really should do is live in Karachi for a longer period of time and survey people from the length and breadth of the city to try to understand the complexity of this ideology and the forces within Karachi that oppose this ideology (and there are many such forces).

I've lived in Karachi for over 20 years and feel that any foreign correspondent writing a 2 page article on the "Taliban" based on a single visit to Karachi is not even close to the tip of the iceberg.

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Ken Bozich, Bloomington, Mn — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:58:56 GMT

Thanks to Richard Engel for perhaps being the only foreign reporter who delivers an accurate picture of this part of the world. He was reporting the insurgency in Iraq when the administration and the main stream press were celebrating mission accomplished. Our understanding the enemy is always he first step in surviving.

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George McKinney — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:07:38 GMT

People, the problem here is the "religion". Any belief that thinks women are servants or property, and that tells people what they should think, is going to produce this. Everywhere the muslim religion goes, you get intolerance, ignorance, regression and repression. This is a belief that has no place in a civilized world. Once we accept that islam is not a proper religion, but a theory for world government, and begin to fight it as such, we will have a start toward cleaning the world of it.

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Tom, Colorado — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:09:50 GMT

Richard Engel, please be careful. Danny Pearl was a friend of mine because he was a fine human being who had ethics and integrety. He did not deserve to die at the hands of muslims with no respect for other humans. You don't either.

The impression I have from working in the Middle East for over a decade is that Islam is a stagnant political system that keeps religious and political dictators in power and their followers in ignorance and poverty. "The West" is not the cause of problems of daily life in islamic countries, dictatorship is.

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Ejaz Reza, karachi — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:17:30 GMT

The taliban were created by the ISI under the leadership of the mindless arrogant general, Hameed Gul, who wanted to create what he called "strategic depth" for Pakistan, by creating a friendly government in Kabul. The US had then fully acquised in this idiotic scheme. Now like the proverbial Frankestein's monster, they threaten Pakistan.

The article is an eye - opener n hats off to Richard for risking his life, esp. after what happened to Daniel pearl.

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John CA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:23:45 GMT

George Bush & McCain! Great job & great analysis of the world & excellent foreign policy! Thanks to your strategy of the so called " war on terror" due to which terror is flourishing in regions where terror was unheard of 4- 5 years ago! Iam still wondering whether saddam ate all his WMD before he died? maybe Bush could shed some light on that rather than saying he was Evil period! lool. Bush was elected to decide who is eveil & who is not & we have to agree with all his reckless cowboy tactics for which now republican supporters get ready to pay 700 billion out of your own pockets to fix the years of stealing the Bush admin was doing at wallstreet, not to mention how much they stole from IRAQ! Yes Iraq, surprised?? I wish the conduct an enquiry on all the corruption & stealing the Bush gang did in Iraq & hope he gets tried as a war criminal like Malosevich

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Win, Fort Wayne, IN — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:29:24 GMT

Pakistan may go for backward after ruling behind by Taliban and extremists of Islam. Yes, many evidence shows Al-Quida cooperated and launched manuver operations using human shieds such as suicide bombers and guerilla forces that making threatening and destablizing in Pakistan. When Mushareff step downed there may be no one can rescue Pakistan from extremist. New President or civillian governmet are less influence, knowledge and control on religious groups or extremists. In future, no one can say Pakistan nuclear power or technologies may be biggest threat of western world.

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lnp, 37, leonardtown, maryland, usa — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:25:40 GMT

Dear Richard,

As though it needs saying, please be careful. No more Danny Pearls, okay?

Bless you,
Laurel

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jesus jones — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:32:24 GMT

Whats so great about Obama is he will instantly fix everything, even the evil of George Bush that occurred before he was even president. Afterall Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, where in perfect harmony, 8 years ago.

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bd,US — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:36:09 GMT

Pakistan is /was a failed stated. What is the difference between India and Pakistan - the culture is the same ( In fact, India has myriad of cultures). The only delta I see is the religion. Once you have a dogma running your country - you are in the abyss.

What is sad is the Pakistani immigrants has the same mind set. Like a parasite, they destroy the host country they live in. Even the Pakistanis know it and are are embarassed about it

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Mithun Dhayafule New york NY — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:44:17 GMT

As someone said Pakistan is trying hard to get rid of taliban / Terrorism, then why there is no improvement in condition since sep -11. infact there are more bombings, look what happened to Ms.bhutto, and recently marriot bombings.These all problems are arising because of religion. We have to understand one thing from our bottom of heart, that "God is one". By killing non-Muslims, definitely Allah will not be happy. The best thing would be to have one religion, which is not Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Jewish, but follow the path to awaken Love of God in our heart.

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Iqbal, Karachi — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:48:43 GMT

Richard, your going to Karachi, specially in the talib neighborhoods was stupid, and fool hardy. We do not want another Daniel Pearl.
If we Pakistanis are fearful of going into such areas, imagine talib getting hold of an American. Continue brave reporting but stop taking really dangerous and stupid chances. I say this with all sincerity. Sad story indeed.

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Saco, Maine — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:58:27 GMT

For Clarence in Sacramento. How exactly did the Democrats cause our current financial crisis? The financial crisis was caused by a lack of regulation in the markets. Isn't it the Republicans who have always been for less/no regulation? Something to the effect that "the markets will work it out." How is that republican ideaology working for us so far?

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Dev, Dayton, OH — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:02:35 GMT

Thanks Nirvana for your positive outlook amidst dire situational reporting.

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Marcus, Cleveland — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:06:45 GMT

Hey Clearance in Sacramento:
The United States Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787. When did slavery end? When was Jim Crow abolished? When did every American (man or woman) afforded the Right to Vote?

Your comment "The Constitution guaranteed freedom..." is very naive yet typical... Pieces of paper guarantee nothing. Individuals with integrity to do what’s right are our only hope to guarantee freedom for anyone... so it starts with us...

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Dev, Dayton, OH — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:11:26 GMT

Naeem, your ideas are plausible - very distinguished.

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Amit — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:15:07 GMT

SUKAINA, NAEEM, NIRVANA, SHERRY & GENE:

It's an excellent portrayal of what Karachi has become. I truly admire the author's gut to get into such ghettos.

Having said this, I must say this. While I hear that Karachi has prospered since Musharaff took over power, it's a fact that Karachi was a battelground like Beruit (in the 70s) for several decades due to constant gun battles between the MQM and PPP, rampant kidnappings, assasinations etc.

But the fact remains that while there are elements within Pakistan who are well educated, and appear progressive the vast majority of Pakistanis are indeed Islamic fanatics. In fact those well educated Pakistanis who masquerade amongst us (even here in the US) are only westernized in their outlook but REMAIN ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS IN THEIR HEART!!! These people who aid, abett, finance the Taliban and such other radicals are the GREATEST THREAT to the US and all freedom loving democracies the world over.

Also UNLIKE our friend Naeem has mentioned here, creation of division of India into two countries was the most SENSIBLE thing that happened to India. While we have a penchant for blaming the British for all our woes, it's a plain fact that Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims have always been killing each other for over a 1000 years, and can NEVER live in peace together. As every reader here knows that's TRUE with Islam with every other religion in the world....the world over.

To respond to NIRVANA even if Karachi outwardly appears to be a multi-cultural city, it's common knowledge how Hindus, Chirstians, Zorastrians, Sikhs have been progressively DESSIMINATED from Karachi and entire Pakistan in a systematci manner of loot, plunder, kidnappings, killings purely for RELIGIOUS CLEANSING!!!! One has to go to wikipedia and GOOGLE to see all the related authoritative, independent links to see the plight of minorities in PEACEFUL, PROGRESSIVE PAKISTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe Doe — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:30:36 GMT

We need to stay out of OTHER countries business UNLESS the President AND his people of Pakistan ask SPECIFICALLY for the U.S. to help and I do NOT beleive that is what is happening. Just like in Iraq, our country has some sort of secret mission that we, the U.S. citizens are unaware of. Terrorist? Yeah, the bond between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family has been tight for generations. WHo is paying attention to that?

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islamisbad, karachi, pak — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:31:14 GMT

the genearal Karachi papolation never will Talibanise.

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jodoe — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:46:06 GMT

Ya know, there is one truly sad thing about this article: the fact that this guy with an education would print something about this country after what...one visit? I went to school with a bunch of Pakistani students. (Older students.) And, the truth is, they just want to be left alone to live their lives as we do. There are some VERY intelligent people in Pakistan. Would I say that they wished the world was all Muslim? Yeah, they probably would and in that split second, they have far to come to being totally educated. However, there were not mad killers they only have strong beliefs about their bible. If Americans stay the hell out their country, they will not mess with you. What is it about Bush? Is it his Christianity that drives him to slaughter the people of these countries or is it that trillions in gold that he seeks from the biblical days that Saddam had hidden and G.W., didn't find yet? (And the reason he is so dead pan on not leaving any stone unturned until he does?) It is all propaganda for the deeds of crooked old men. (And, they're not all White, FYI.)

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Lee, West Virginia — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:48:07 GMT

Not one comment nor observation of what this means for the women in this country. Were there women on the street at all or had they become immurred in their houses? Did they wear the burkah? Are there calls for increased "modesty" of women? Women of the world had better heed the fact that radical Islam does not like them and wishes to return them to child-bearing cattle who are loaded with the duty to face the world with only their hands and faces poking from a religiously approved bag.

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Sardar Haider, Karachi- Pakistan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:45:08 GMT

I've been living in Karachi for the past 27 years and I've never seen or heard of any Taliban here. Funny, how you can practically publish any story, regardless of how skewed or shaky its premise may be.

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camilo, chicago — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:48:27 GMT

Yes, truly a courageous journalist. Many kudos, sir.

I hope the new president of Pakistan has the cojones, as he has claimed, to root out the belligerents. Pakistan deserves better, as does the entire Islamic world. Islamism is holding back the needed progress of Muslim countries.

And yes, it's true our brain-dead president deserves quite a bit of the blame for this mess. We're too bogged down elsewhere to do justice to this crises. Hope the next president is much smarter.

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Jay, Dallas, TX — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:07:33 GMT

I wonder when the Pakistani masses will wake up to realize that they got their priorities all wrong. Focus needs to shift to saving the country from going down the drain, rather than to grab a piece of land from India that was never theirs. I feel sorry for the peaople of Pakistand.

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Ike — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:28:36 GMT

Engel definitely has guts. I'm born and raised in the US but my wifes family is from karachi. I am going back this winter and am scared because of all the street crime going on. People are getting robbed left and right. Someone should do a piece on that.

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Amit — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:28:03 GMT

SUKAINA, NAEEM, NIRVANA, SHERRY & GENE:

Firstly I commend the author Richard Engel for his bold reporting to bring out the state of affairs in Pakistan's largest city.

While Karachi has prospered as a melting pot for different cultures during the Musharaff era with the minorities feeling safe for the first time, Karachi was a battelground like Beruit for several decades due to constant gun battles between the MQM and PPP, rampant kidnappings, assasinations etc.

But the fact remains that while there are elements within Pakistan who are well educated, and appear progressive the vast majority of Pakistanis indeed dislike the US and the West. Unfortunately even these well educated Pakistanis while being westernized in their outlook remain supportive of the extremists' cause.

Also I disgaree with our friend Naeem that India and Pakistan need to form a federation to combat terror. While this is a noble and lofty idea which can greatly help the world in combating terrorism, it's not something easily acheivable given the deep rooted suspions with each other.

To respond to NIRVANA even if Karachi outwardly appears to be a multi-cultural city, it's common knowledge how minorities (Hindus, Christians, Zorastrians, Sikhs) have been unfairly targeted as a result of which they are leaving the city and the country in greater numbers.

In essence while I agree with the author that Karachi is a great city with a lot of culture, history behind it, its relevance for the future of Pakistan and the world remains questionable with increasing Talibanization.

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Ehtisham-ul-Abrar,Karachi — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:32:15 GMT

BE CAREFUL KARACHITTES

Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) appealed to the people of Karachi to beware of religious extremists and Talibans. MQM asserted that it has been warning and alerting the people Karachi for a long time about the conspiracy of Talibanising and capturing Karachi with the use of brute force (includes heavy, most lethal and sophisticated weaponry, hand grenades and explosives ranging from Phosphorous, C4, T&T, RDX and aluminium).With this objective, Religious Extremists and Talibans are regrouping and organising themselves in Karachi particularly and Sindh generally for a long time.

Today, on 26 September 2008, 3 terrorists belonging to one of the Jihadi Groups blew themselves up in Baldia Town, Karachi irrefutably proving the apprehensions of the MQM to be true.

MQM requests the moderate and liberal residents of Karachi to be cautious, watchful and observant of strangers in their areas and report the movements of suspicious persons to the Police in their areas.