For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

P. Kauffman Sr. Cape Coral Fl. — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:11:36 GMT

Sounds the same thats happening here in America!Tons of B.S. and no support for the foundation.Seems to me the building is about to fall.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Tim, Dayton, Ohio — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:37:14 GMT

Welcome to American Politics and Politicians! Boring lies and useless fools!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:46:29 GMT

It's obvious "Warmonger" Bush did a poor job of winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. No surprise since Bush only wanted a puppet government and wanted to make sure that Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater made out like bandits with their reconstruction ripoff of US taxpayers and the Iraqi people.

Barack is correct that we've overstayed our welcome in Iraq and now it's time to get out before we really alienate these people. Time to save over $120 billion a year in this phony war of "Warmonger" Bush.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Linda Nelson, Los Angeles, California — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:09:42 GMT

How pervasive is this type of attitude in Iraq. I just don't believe anyone anymore. If the people aren't thrilled that we are there, we ought to leave today.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Salahaldin Mahdy Hantousch, Illinois — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:18:07 GMT

At least now having the freedom to speak, during Saddam controlling all Iraqi's life could not even say a word, I remember I was a fraid to recoginze a members of my family due to some security awareness, left the country more that 30 years a go, I hope the new Iraqi generation appreciate the life they are having now, and remember, freedom cost a lot.
Algerian sacrified millions, and so other, just should know how to get along with each others, as our cuture, religions, and for the sake of humanity.

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Andy — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:19:00 GMT

So much for being greeted as liberators. I guess we've worn out our welcome. I can't say I blame the Iraqi citizenry for the way they feel. I think most of us here feel the same way.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Jonathan White, Windsor, CO — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:24:07 GMT

Well, it seems they have the same perception as we do...

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Tom Fitzsimmons, Virginia Beach, VA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:24:45 GMT

We have not won a war since WWII. Korea is a "truce" with no declared winner; Vietnam is a lost war that cost us dearly in lost lives with nothing in return other than a communist government (again) and now Iraq. Another stalemate......TIME TO GET OUR BUTTS OUT and put the billions we could save back into the hands of our taxpayers.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Don, OKC, OK — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:25:17 GMT

What gets me is this "But don't forget also that Saddam used to give power, water and full foodstuffs through the ration card," and it sounds like they don't want to work to get them self’s up, and the people in this country are the same way, They want a big gov "Obama" to give them handouts and do nothing to get it themselves. I do not want what I have worked hard for to be given to my nabor that will not work.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Nate, Phoenix, Arizona — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:36:40 GMT

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Mark, Yorktown, Virginia — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:43:23 GMT

Sounds like more propaganda to me. I've been over there and if you talk to those who are use to exploiting the poor with Sadam they don't like their current situation. They want to line-up and collect what they haven't rightfully earned. After all they have to work like those they use to take advantage of in the past; what fun is in that? Get out of the advantaged areas and go talk to those who have new schools and running water and power for the first time ever - outside of Sadam's loyalist followers. This article is onesided and leans way to the left.

May we see with our hearts and minds and not through the reporters who are trying to sell their stories.

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Clinton, Orlando FL — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:45:26 GMT

I'm sure the Japaneese and Germans didn't like us either. It will take decades to see the full effect of what we have done as a country.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Steve, NH — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:50:29 GMT

Time to make them understand the meaning behind the phrase "Be careful what you wish for...." We should just leave, if that's the way they feel. Let Iran and Syria carve the country up, you know, like the USSR and the Allies did with Germany after WWII. There can be an East Iraq and an East Baghdad owned and operated by Iran, and a West Iraq and a West Baghdad owned and operated by Syria. Oh, hell, while we're at it, let Turkey have the Kurdish North, they've certainly earned it. At least we won't have to hear their b*tching then, because they'll have a muzzle on their right to complain.

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Juan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:53:30 GMT

ain't America grand? what the hell is really happening to my beloved country. That thin line is on the verge of snapping. Soon it will be everyman for themselves, the government is bogus and non existent.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

confused — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:59:39 GMT

Nate there ives is much better? are you kidding me? no electricity, no jobs no security, no homes but you right there much better of. Because you say so. Do you think you would feel the same way if at any time people come and search your home if you lucky enough to still have one. You would think it's ok if your children or you family goes to get food not knowing if the come back alive. Well ya you right much better of now after all they have something they didn't have before alkaita

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J. Webb — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:01:46 GMT

Iraq was stable, had no Al-Queda terrorists, had been at war with Iran and allowed women to be educated, hold high ranking jobs and show their faces under Sadaam. Sure he was a tyrant, but things were much better in Iraq before we destabilized the country. Things were better in the USA, too.
"Just the facts, sir".

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Marine Grunt, NJ — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:02:10 GMT

in a recent poll 85% of Iraqis want us out sooner then later. Many of Iraqis have not forgotten the 1991,1998 & 2003 bombings and the 12 years of oppressive sanctions resulting of over 1 million Iraqis death.
I'm not sure the definition of victory that McCain envision. If Mccain envision that American troops can travel thought Iraq without weapons similar to Japan & Germany he lives in a dream world. Even Maliki (US Puppet) pressured by the MP to have US troops leave Iraq by 2011. If the US doesn't not comply unfortunately we will see an increase in casualty of US troops

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Dave, Denver, CO — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:05:30 GMT

Message to Don, the polititians are not going to give your hard earned dollars to your nabor, they are going to give them to wall street.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Todd Salt lake city — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:06:44 GMT

It is interesting to see that the iraqi press is just as manipulative and cunning as the U.S. media.ie
find negative quotes from a few individuals who are unwilling to help themselves so they parasite on anyone who is willing to give them free food and materials just for being negative. I say weed out negative doomsayers and fill the airways with truth and optimism. We tend to let ourselves get caught up in negative corrrupting conversations. I see too many people complaining and yet they offer no solutions but they will hold their hand out.

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Sam — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:08:42 GMT

To,
Salahaldin Mahdy Hantousch, Illinois. I think this is the time for you to go back to Iraq and help the people there.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

James, AZ — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:10:56 GMT

Consider the source of this article (MSNBC). Their liberal journalists would crawl through broken glass to find an anti-Bush, anti-American sentiment to write a story about. People complain back here too whether we have a Republican or Democrat in office that things aren't good enough. Remember to ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country to make it better. Ask those Iraqis if they are ready to bring back a dictator and give up their voting rights. Have them vote on that and you'd get a different picture.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Dave, Rochester, Michigan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:11:11 GMT

Nice job for MSNBC to keep showing the "one" side of the Iraq story. Must hurt too much to post a "positive" story. All of you Bush whiners who are waiting for Obama to give you a hand out and magically make your life "better" are going to be disapointed when he lets you down. Move to Canada if you want socialism! Stop whining!

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Rob — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:11:20 GMT

To
Nate, Phoenix, Arizona, neo-nazi not neo-con like you (McCein, Bush, Cheney) are resposible for the death of millions of peole in Iraq.

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Chris, Ny, Ny — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:15:02 GMT

Nate or should I say Mr. Graham, They are 'whiners' because the sitation is a giant mess. Not everone values the repug pom poms waving the same way you do. When you live in a bombed out mess where your neiblours are being slaughterd because of the form of islam they follow you could say thing might have been better under one dictartor rather than another. When you have a group of american hand picked leaders in office that are barely reconizaable as different from the old boss I could imagine it would be hard for them to wave the thanks mr bush flag. They live in a place where although "free" is not stable and not safe, You would be whining to if the basics of life wer thrown into chaos your freinds and family killed to serve some political ideal that you did not even ask for.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Dino, Atlanta, GA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:15:27 GMT

It is truly amazing how we have lost sight of the needs of the American people. What does it matter how the Iraqi people perceive our election process. They are struggling with their own governmental processes.

What can be said about our present government? We are suffering, I admit it, is this the best it has been? NO! However, you will not see me standing there pointing fingers or tearing down the government to justify our current state of affairs. Our involvement in Iraq is not the problem, sure that money would help out back here, but not hardly the answer. Lets cohesively get to the bottom of the issue and find the solution.
It is easy to point out the problems....and interject opinion as to whom to blame. Lets be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

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Mohamad, Ca, San Jose — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:16:36 GMT

The Live mach better than before during Sadam
There are two type of Iraqi Like here
One type they work hard and build there country
other they want to get money free or they trying
to get it from the government free
The second part if you do not give them they will not be happy even God come to rool Iraq

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Rob W. Chicago, IL — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:16:51 GMT

What a negatively slanted article. What about all the news stories about people who have flourished under the New Iraq? The new hospital bldgs, schools and pools? What about those? Did anyone mention THAT? No. I happen to have a friend with Blackwater in Bahgdad and I hear a different story from him. A great many people are HAPPY that we are there and Saddam is gone. This story is just like an impatient child wanting his candy NOW. Things do not change over night, they take time. Just like the impetous youth here in America that want things to change over night, not gonna happen. Deal with it.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Eric Lien, Jamestown, North Dakota — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:18:44 GMT

For the most part i feel the people of Iraq are right. We should just pick up and leave them. They have a several trillion dollar surplus and we have a several trillion dollar def.
Or they can start paying the price for us to hold the line.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

henry alvarez, phoenix, Arizona — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:19:54 GMT

The 10 Billion monthly expense for Iraq and Afganistan after 5 years in ridiculous. Let Iraq use their $79 billion surplus for their own defense.

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Matt Brookhart — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:20:06 GMT

Obviously a hit piece on Bush and promoting the change that Obama alleges to bring, but more interesting is that the lead paragraph is about Obama and his Muslim heritage yet no mention of Obama in the headline.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Wide Awake, Tacoma WA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:21:05 GMT

I really get a laugh out of the posters on all of these stories. They think that because one article, slanted toward their opinion, says it is so, then it must be so.
It is common knowledge the news media is biased toward the Libs and therefor a majority of the stories they run are intended to engender in the readers the belief that "that's the way it is"
Wake up! Get your information from someone who knows, talk to a service man or woman who has been there, several times, and ask them the general consensus over there. You may be surprised even scared to find out the same lies and backdoor deals you scream about on the part of the politicians are nothing in comparison to what these so called "news agencies" do.
One example, what has your "news" source been saying about what's going on in the Phillipine Islands? Crickets.
You only have to look inside your own family and network of friends and determine what is important to you. If Obam should win this election, your life and theirs will be no better. The economy will still suck, taxes will go up, joblessness will increase in all sectors except Gvmt employment (Bill's answer to unemployment), and the socialization of America will deepen to a point where a larger section of the population will be dependant on the GVMT for basic survival.
Try voting conservative ten years after the libs have fed, clothed, schooled, doctored and supported you. If you think, "what's wrong with that?" then all I have to say to you is "YOU ARE what's wrong with that, stand on your own two feet, quit being so lazy and complacent and make a stand for something other than the easy way out"
While they have you distracted with all the "free stuff" the basic tenets of the Constitution will be watered down and you will be left with the very thing the document was drafted to prevent, Totalinarian rule, this time by a domestic GVMT, not a foreign one. But really, is there a difference?
These "news" types and the Liberal politicians they represent stand to lose nothing under this arrangement, you and I will lose nearly everything that matters. So while they keep you bottled up with slight of hand and card tricks about one issue or two issues spun to appear to be the most important of the day,making you think you are the smartest person in the room, they are laughing all the way to the White House.
Do us all a favor, read between the lines, take a broader view of the world and your place in it and stop allowing yourself to be controlled by these opinion columnists. After all, if I ran a story about how all of you are unimformed, self - absorbed, welfare minded, socialist puppets to everyone in the news reading world, and there was no voice given to you to defend yourself, what do you think the reader's opinion of you would be?

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Mike New York — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:24:08 GMT

If people feel this way in Iraq.... We must be done,
I'm sure after we leave they will want the US to send aid however.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

GWV5903 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:25:04 GMT

It is obvious that they are still struggling with freedom and the cost it comes at….

Most of us do not really understand it’s cost either, we live in a time of convenience, my parents generation had to live through the Great Depression, WW II and the Korean War.

This goes to show, no matter how far we have come with technology, we still live in a world that is divided with oppression vs freedom…..

I’ll take freedom everytime…….

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Brandy, GA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:26:39 GMT

I must agree with Nate. Isn't it funny how our soldiers come back and tell us about the great things that are happening in Iraq, but our news media says the opposite. The media tells you that three children died because of US fire, but doesn't tell you that thousands survived!

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Bill Niceville, FL — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:01 GMT

Yet another ungrateful nation spitting at America. It's time we become an isolationist nation. Very few if any nations respect the help given anymore. The next time a tsunami wipes out a country, citizens seek refuge from a dictatorship, or a continent starves its citizens we as a nation should sit back and say, "It's not my problem" and see what happens.

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Dave, Valencia, Ca — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:53 GMT

Nate in PHX says:

"As someone connected directly with soldiers in Iraq -- it is nothing short of amazing how lives have been improved."

I don't know how you are "connected" with the soldiers in Iraq, but my son has many friends he went to school with who have served in Iraq (Army, Marines, and Air Force) and to a man when they visit our home, they all say they hate the country Iraq, they hate the Iraqis, and the Iraqis hate us.

They all agree it has been a waste.

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Scott, Lake Elsinore, CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:28:41 GMT

Interesting. According to on-the-ground reports, there is now reliable power and sanitation to more places than there was just before Saddaam was toppled and a $67 billion budget surplus. Couple that with Salahaldin's remark about free speech, and it would appear things are looking up. I hope we're not creating another co-dependent and handout-seeking society like the many post-colonial failures our European brethren created throughout Africa.

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Fredgear, Detroit MI — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:29:22 GMT

You all miss the most crucial facts of all - the extreamist foreign fighters came to kill americans and Iraqies. They blew up all the restructuring work: oil & water, health care, schools, women & children. I am not sure anyone in their right mind would have guessed the level of evil they would be dealing with.

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Rez Sal — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:11 GMT

America is a bearer of bad news, period. Everything it touchs turns to crap. You go to middle east to kill, steal, rip off other countries so that fat people in midwest can get fatter so they can buy BIGGER cars to fit in, so they can park these monsters in their BIG garages in even BIGGER homes.
Leave us alone we have had enough of American bullshit

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Fredgear, Detroit MI — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:28 GMT

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Jordan Parey, Las Cruces, NM — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:33:04 GMT

I'm sorry that we have failed so miseraly at the second half of the mission in Iraq- we failed at making their lives better. We failed to help them help themselves, and we are going to be paying for it for a long time. I'm for the war, I am for the suppression of the sectarian militias and Al-Qaeda, but I am also for the idea of helping them rebuild. We need to send construction equipment and materials, we need to hire Iraqi architects, Iraqi builders to do this. Instead of doing things for the right reasons the wrong way, why don't we do that? It would make us look better AND help their economy by paying their wages. Whoever wins this election needs to realize that.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

kim, Portland OR — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:36:08 GMT

Thank you Mr President for not only ruining our lives, you decided to to ruin Iraq's as well. You are a superpower!

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Erik, Mechanicsburg, PA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:36:31 GMT

"It is common knowledge the news media is biased toward the Libs..."

To this day, I get laughs from this. If the liberal media is so biased against Bush and the Repugs, how come there hasn't been front-page headlines reading:

"BUSH LIED TO GET SUPPORT FOR WAR"
"BUSH TRAMPLES OVER CONSTITUTION, ADVOCATES ILLEGAL SPYING"
"BUSH TURNS BLIND EYE TO DETAINEE TORTURE"
"BUSH IGNORES FLOODED NEW ORLEANS"
"BUSH USES VOTER FRAUD TO WIN TWO ELECTIONS"

If you get anything REMOTELY close to the factual things I've posted above, you get one of two things:

1) A feature story that glosses over Bush's involvement.
2) A tiny sidebar buried on the back page of the news section.

And yet the media is just sooooooooo darn liberal...

Get real.

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sekhar, seattle, Wa — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:38:44 GMT

It is obvious that 1 trillion dollars and countless American lives (and Iraqi lives) later, the invasion of Iraq was a bad idea. We will leave Iraq with an unstable government which is more allied to Iran than the USA. WE have greately strengthened the hand of Iran, and will not have brought our style of democracy. Now the Shias will trample the Sunnis, who will also be squeezed by the emboldened Kurds in the North. Well, perhaps the Kurds will be thankful, but will not express it. They are planning how to create a Kurdistan, after breaking up a piece of Turkey as well.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

reaallly, New York — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:42:54 GMT

bRANDY what you whant you whant them to tell you? how many people they killed? how many of our soldiers are messed up long after they came back? BILL right ungrateful of them not to love us after we killed there families bombed there homes, took away there lives. How can they not be gratful? I bet you would be if they bomed your house killed your familys right?

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George, Tustin, California — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:43:08 GMT

If they don't want us we need to get out as fast as is safe for Americans. Let The Iraqis sort out their own problems. Would we want them meddling in ours?

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confused — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:45:01 GMT

dave that is what my son said too and he been there twice. They don't whant to be there and no matter what anybody said we are not there liberators

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Ayric — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:46:06 GMT

in a logic poll. 100% OF AMERICANS WANT US OUT OF THERE SOONER THAN LATER ALSO. BUT WE CAN T JUST UP AND LEAVE IT. IT WOULD BE DISATEROUS!!!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

carolyn Schuster Port orchard, WA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:46:59 GMT

the problem is, the journalists hear what the Iraqis think they want to hear. The culture over there is so used to getting by by saying the right things to people they percieve to be in power. I've heard other stories from Iraqis. They were excited about Obama because of all his effort to appeal to islamic and arabic voters in America. However when Biden was picked as the Veep nominee, they have become concerned. They do not like Biden's international views-they remember his judgement call on how to take care of Iraq which was to carve it up into ethnic and religious based states. he said that not all people want democracy and that some liked being ruled under dictators. That arrogance does not sit well with idealistic and bright people like the iraqis.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

cindy andreucci, phenix city, alabama — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:48:16 GMT

Geez, no one like us anymore........if they don't want us there, we need to go. Problem is that if we leave without making sure that they can govern and protect themselves, they will be cursing us for the millinium. We can't win for losing. And they Iraqi's talk about no food, dying etc. HOw many americans and Nato soldiers have died for their freedom in Iraq. There doesn't seem to be much appreciation does it? I am in line with McCain, but honestly, we need to come out of Iraq, put our forces in Afganistan and start worrying about the USA instead of all of these countries who hate us and wish us death. Personally, I wish we would just mind our own business for a while.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

T.R. Hendricks — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:54:19 GMT

The Republician are full of Crap, but so are the Democrats. Any chance we could get back to being Americans??????

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Johnny B, NY — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:59:34 GMT

like any foreign country, they were happy when we arrived and pissed when we stayed.
-As far as I am concerned with all the money, time, and effort we might as well have made iraq a new US territory and taken control of the oil fields. Then there would be a monetary payoff and we would have better control of the deviants who want to harm the american people.
how is it any different than when the spanish took what is now latin america and brought their tech an ideas to the natives. or northwest europe to North America? why r we now today so affraid of imperialism. its not like we would kill everyone who isnt a log cabin republican

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George Proctor — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:00:23 GMT

This is clap-trap. How many times did we hear that "Millions of Iraqis are starving to death" by the MSM??? Come on, you heard it...
Ration cards I can believe, but if they got 'full foodstuffs through the ration card' then CNN;NBC etc. have been filling you ears with crap.

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alonzo san mateo, calif — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:00:25 GMT

Iraq has been way too expensive. The US military is not the type to be an "OCCUPATIONAL ARMY" although we did that after WW2 in Germany and Japan, but they had no active resistance against the allies. We have spent a trillion dollars and the only benefits we have gained are as follows:

A) replaced a dictatorship and moved a thug dictator

B) Freed some 20 million Kurds from this repressive dictatorship

C) Killed or imprisoned thousands of outsider AL Qaeda types who would have showed up in Afghanistan

D) tested new military strategies and items, like drones

E) allowed for the growth and expansion of some quasi military products industries that employed some unknown number of people

F) It appears that we have determied that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq unless they are still really hidden..Could they still be there? dunno,,,

The surge helped but we should have been gone by Jan 2005 and let them figure it out,,,We should have turned it over to the Arab League and let them figure it out,,,

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JON .GMAN/PORTLAND,MAINE — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:02:53 GMT

UNAPPRECIATIVE IRAQ PEOPLE ARE USELESS.THE MAJORITY ARE NOT/THE TROOPS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE KNOW.THESE IRAQ PEOPLE DESERVE FREEDOM,LETS NOT FORGET ALL DEMOCRACY'S TOOK TIME.THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS KNOW AND APPRECIATE US.GOD BLESS THE TROOPS OF AMERICA.

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Vet — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:07:22 GMT

Wide Awake from Tacoma Wash. Why is information provided by our Men and Women in the Armed Forces any better than what MSNBC reports? Is it better because they have been decensitized by the voilence and brain-washed with typical military brotherhood propaganda?

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Bernice — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:07:41 GMT

Well I for one must say that I am very pissed with these comments from the Iraqis considering over 4,179 American troops have bleed suffered and died and thousands more have life long injuries both physically and mentally all in an effort to help their behinds! Now whether or not Bush and his crew LIED as we allnow know they did our troops are there with the hope of helping these people and their lack of appreciation is very insulting!!!!!!!

Our troops were still fighting even after theirs decided they would not, thousands of them sat down refusing to fight any longer! Our military is over there having to pay two to three times more for gas than they do! Now here we are in a finanial breakdown with alot of it having to do with money spent over there! While they sit on their behinds talking sh@@! I pray Obama does get in a pull our troops out then these very ones will see the need for our help! Now if they have a problem with anyone that person is Bush and they need to take that up with Bush personally. They need to understand just how things work over here we are not given the truth until it's too late, most Americans wish them, Iran and the rest of the world well, we don't know no more than our gov. let's us know and they often lie to us because they know we are not wanting to cause harm of any kind to anyone, especially if they do not harm us!!!!

Why the hell aren't they out helping our guy and gals to make things better for themselves instead of sitting on their behinds complaining!!???????

So much for McCain and his LIES!Thought those people were happy we were there? Thought their lives were already improved? Thought ALL is a SUCCESS!??????

SURGE! SURGE! SURGE! SURGE! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP McCAIN NO MORE LIES!

EITHER BRING OUR MILITARY HOME OR SEND THEM AFTER THOSE THAT CAME HERE AFTER US!

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JP chicago — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:12:10 GMT

sad to say but at first i was all for the war-but as usuall politics stopped our military from doing there job. why do we start what we cant finish? time to say bye bye and get this country back on track. every politician is full of lies and empty promises.history repeats again.lets put our military to work at home,lets put our money to work at home,secure our borders.park 2 nuke subs off there coast and let them think twice about what they do to our country again.
save our country FIRST!!!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Robert, Jacksonville, FL — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:15:11 GMT

The Iraqi people want us out. The American people want us out. Why is it that only the politicians want to keep us there?? At least Obama is willing to set forth a timetable for withdrawal.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Kent, Lincoln, NE — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:16:10 GMT

Wide Awake,
The woman down the street working 3 count them THREE jobs and still not being able to pay for health care for her family is the world your ideal gives us.

I'd rather sacrifice more of my income knowing it is going to help people in this country in need rather than telling them tough luck work harder when they already are like you would have us do.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Abby — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:17:31 GMT

I find it interesting that basic things like power and water are considered "being given something and not earning it" by some people on this board.

In case you have forgotten - we DESTROYED their infrastructure over there during the war. And we, and the Iraqi government in place now, have an obligation to restore it.

You may not like having to help restore it. I don't, but then again - I didn't like us going over there in the first place. Don't blame the victims of the war for not having power and water and then being mad about it. They had it before, and as I said earlier, we destroyed the infrastructure.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

gamerk2 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:17:51 GMT

I talk regularly with those in the military, and have learned this: What Iraqis tell americans, and what they tell eachother, are two very diffrent things.

Its easy to ask the people with water and power how they feel about things, but thats 10% of the country. I suppose the other 90% is asking for free handouts then?

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Bud Ga — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:25:49 GMT

We must look at the loss of life in our nation and Iraq and ask yourself was it really worth the price of crying mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters,uncles,
aunts,husbands.wives,friends etc. The person that attack us created all this madness and he is still
walking around free as our lives have changed a nation into division,hatred,selfisness,greed and you can fill in the rest. I have worked since the age of 9 when opportunity was not the greatest but I had the choice to do something. Our choices have dried up in the job market however I am optimistic that we still have one of the best nations in the world but we will not survive if we keep going in the wrong direction. So fellow Americans our destiny is in our own hands as a free nation we just need think and look at the issues and select who will lead us for the next four years. Peace

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Markvs, Bridgeport CT — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:31:59 GMT

Hey Tom Fitzsimmons! How about Gulf War 1?
For that matter, I don't recall the US actually losing a single battle in VietNam nor the modern Iraq War. I DO remember the withdrawl of US forces from Iraq and the Democratic Congress cutting funding for our South VietNamese ally, whom fell some 18 months later. Iraq IS VietNam all over again: the left is trying like hell to lose at all costs!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Straight Talk, CA. — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:34:39 GMT

People, Hold your horses! Iraqi's in cafe were not commenting on America in general, but mostly on American politicians and presidential candidates. And trust, me when it comes to foreign policy they are all the same. Iraq and welfare of a common Iraqi is the least these candidates worry about. More importantly, the two parties being played by special interests, care less about the common people of America too, but we Americans are fooled rather easily, and still vote for these two parties.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Bill Colorado — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:35:49 GMT

Let us all not forget that only time will be the true jundge of our actions.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Zagros Ibrahim/calgary/canada — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:35:49 GMT

I am very greatfull to USA and there army to sacrificed to liberate iraq from sadam, i am sure when the USA leaves iraq, most iraqians will regret that, because the country will get like a hell, and the civil war gona start, i am sure people are tired from the new iraqian gorenments for doing nothing to build the country and they are pursuding there interest instaed of people's interest,so far no Electricity, water, no housing, nothing at all, they are busy with stealing from the iraqian people, so iraqians problem with the iraqians leader, not with the USA and it is army there

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Army Mom, Colorado — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:37:43 GMT

I don't know about those here who say they know people who have been to Iraq, but I do know my son -- a Staff Sgt. in the Army. He has been to Iraq twice now with two different outfits. The first was a Reserve batallion that was a Heavy Combat Engineering Batallion. They took train cars full of playground equipment when they went over in '04-'05 and were stationed in Tikrit. Schools were rebuilt, playgrounds put in where there had been none at all, the water treatment plant was refurbished and in working order (hadn't been fully functional for years before that)when they left. We family members of those soldiers sent many care packages with lots of school supplies for the re-opening of the schools, sent shoes and clothing for the little girls that were now finally allowed to attend school (after many years under Saddam of only boys allowed to go). When they were on convoy to other outlying villages to help return electricity and other things we take for granted, the locals would line up at the compound gates to offer fresh fruit to the soldiers as a thank-you. We have wonderful photos of the soldiers playing with lots of cute Iraqi children while their parents sat on the curb watching and smiling.

Things were not quite the same his second tour. Was with another division then and based to the North of Baghdad. Just because you see one thing happening in one bad neighborhood of Baghdad does not mean that is what is happening throughout the rest of the country. We (families) have lots of good stories from our soldiers who have returned from a successful mission and we all mourn for those lost. Still, my son does not want to go back if he does not have to -- it is very, very hot and without the luxuries of home. My son is proud of all that they have accomplished there to date, however, and REALLY appreciates what we have here in the U.S now more than ever. If this country was right next door to us, you know we would be involved in taking out a dictatorship that ruled through terror, with sons that were monsters to their own people, slaughtering thousands and throwing their unidentified bodies in mass graves. We don't have the luxury to turn our backs on those in need anymore -- the world is too small a place. So whether they are right next door or on the other side of the world, as the richest, strongest country in the world we have an obligation to help free others from tyranny.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Gee of Philly — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:38:51 GMT

It is time we seriously give heed to the leaders in Iraq and come out of that country. We have wasted enough money,time, and lives in a land that has a surplus as we get deeper in debt in America. This bailout should be the last straw. Something is grossly wrong with our continuance in a war we should not have been involved in or most definitely do not want to continue! Get out now and use our money for our economy and our service men and women to secure our own borders!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

karl kettler,flemington, nj — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:39:34 GMT

It simply amazes me that UN has not voted sanctions against the U.S. and the World Court has not brought war crime indictments against Bush and his gang of murderers. There are very bad times ahead for America not the least of which is the world's animosity toward them.

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leon — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:40:39 GMT

I believe that the majority of Iraqis are glad to have a the dictator gone. Now they need to get there country back and start living!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

AC, DFW, TX — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:46 GMT

Are there people who are better off in Iraq now then before we invaded? Yes. But compare that to how many we've killed, how many have had to flee, and how many are currently being oppressed and repressed by American government/corporate occupation. Many people saying Iraq is 'Over the Rainbow' are enormous hypocrites. They don't care about Iraqis. And they probably don't care about average Americans either, just as long as they have a fat paycheck and a Bush admin to keep informing them of false realities.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Magan, Fyffe, Al — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:47:40 GMT

It seems that, across the board, we all feel the same. There is no real solution to any of our problems by simply "changing faces" in the American government. I am tired of seeing my friends sent over seas into a "war" that no one really knows why we are fighting anymore.
What is the "real" soultion? Pull out and worry about what is going to happen or stay and send more of our sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to an uncertain fate? I honestly do not know nor do i belive anyone really does know the answer to this question.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

M Douglas ,Sacramento, PRC — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:51:16 GMT

Bill from Niceville, FL; you stole my thunder, sir! You are absolutely correct! Why in the hell are we sending our money and soldiers oversees when they are obviously not appreciated and even depised? Oh, the world decries us for the "evil" we spill onto them with our policies, yet, when the crap hits the fan, who do they call first? It's high time we shut off the free money spigot and let the world deal with their own problems! Hell, let the Chinese become the world's humanitarians; they have the (read: our) money, know-how, and the man-power to do it. Plus, they've had plenty of time to practice charity at home -oh wait..

I wouldn't support a policy of strict isolationism; we still need to sell a lot of our wares overseas. As far as economics goes, maybe a drawdown of dependence on foreign made goods and out-sourced services. I wouldn't mind paying more for "made in America" products. As far as sending troops and funding overseas however, forget it! No more!

When the next Hitler or Stalin comes to power somewhere in the world and begins the inevitable "anschluss", look somewhere else for help!Try the French, I hear they're good at placating dictators!

When China invades either Siberia or Saudi Arabia within the next 15 years because they used up more oil than we ever could, guess whose phone is gonna ring? You heard it hear first people! PLA on your doorstep? Sorry.

For the record, it really wont matter who wins on November 4th; you don't get THAT far in politics unless you owe someone else bigtime and/or someone has the goods on you -so you'd better behave! It will be business as usual. Sounds pesimistic, but then again, JFK had the same speeches of "change" and look what it got him! No POTUS will ever step out of line again!

Change will not come from Washington, it will come from each Individual American citizen who is fed up with the status quo.

Bring the troops home now! Stop the bleeding of American cash overseas! With what we spent in Iraq over the last 5 1/2 years, we could have accomplished so much more at home! Withdraw from the U.N. and tell them they've got 30 days to clear out of Manhattan! No more subsidies to other nations, friendly or otherwise!

Make this our Foreign Policy Golden Rule; If you want our help, its going to cost you! Prepayment in advance, or we get to milk your nation of natural resources until the debt is paid.

If we are attacked, we turn the aggressor nation into a glow-in-the-dark parking lot!

Don't like those terms, go plead to someone else. Phones at the State Department would go DEAD!

Peace out! from the People's Republic of California, AKA "Socialist-Occupied America!"

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Steve Deland Fl — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:52:04 GMT

I love how it keeps getting said by neo-cons that things are so much better in Iraq and we just don't know it 'cause the 'liberal press' won't report it (which is absurd) as if those of us unhappy with things over there can't possibly actually think about it.
I've talked to a LOT of returning heroes .... both Army and Navy aviators (no Air Force that I can remember so far) and, to a man, they ALL say things are a mess and while they say that a few things have improved for a small number of people, in general it's a completely horrible existence for the vast majority of people over there.
They've also all said that the people over there hate us and want us out.
I don't see why you guys can't understand that if an errant missile strike burns your family alive .... you're not consoled at all by the idea that Americans didn't mean it .....
And BTW ...... I question how much wisdom and intelligent info I'm gonna get from people who can't even spell simply words
I'll start ya'll off ....... 'nabor' is spelled neighbor.

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jim — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:57:12 GMT

george bush couldn't buy msnbc reporters to spread his lies about iraq. it has been a tragic loss of life, money and the way the rest of the world sees us. that is freedom of the press not what you can buy and plant.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Wayne, Tulsa, OK — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:57:48 GMT

Wow! How sad! It’s sad that we as Americans have lost so much faith in our country and what it stands for. This chunk of land we live on is only a chunk of land. It is supposed to be WE THE PEOPLE that makes this chunk of land SO WONDERFUL and different. So what’s up with us? Complacency? Selfish? All bark and no bite? WHAT? What are you doing for this ONE NATION UNDER GOD? Do you not remember how long and how many have fought and given their very life so you can be here expressing an opinion??? And it’s only an opinion without action. Do we forget so quickly? The USA makes mistakes like all other nations and leaders. We often are full of ourselves too much and respect others too little but we ALSO give like no other country. WE THE PEOPLE give everything we have and do our BEST for the world. We give SO many lives up to be there for ALL people. We give SO much money to others that this country could greatly benefit. We believe in FREEDOM and it is SO important that we are fully committed to sacrifice most everything for it. To sum this up, WE THE PEOPLE are not always correct in the decisions we make just as other countries and leaders are not. Iraq did not invite us to come to their country. We invited ourselves. WE THE common PEOPLE do not know the “real” motivation Bush and our other leaders that made the decision to go to war had. That’s messed up! The USA did not have a good plan, strategy not direction when we began this “help” for the Iraqis. We underestimated, we fumbled and we’ve done damage at the same time we have done what hopefully we thought was right. Now I ask you, how would you respond if another country came to the USA and did to us what we have done to Iraq? Would you be happy? Would you welcome them openly? THINK ABOUT IT! Many Iraqis lives have improved but many have been devastated. So place some understanding to ALL people JUST as you’d want done for you! Do some research, produce some solutions and HELP!!! Use your freedom for something productive. Would the ones that have died for FREEDOM be proud of you and feel their sacrifice was justified? Look at the mess the USA is in concerning finances, housing,… That did not come from only one president’s decisions. These are from WE THE PEOPLE feeding off of WE THE PEOPLE. The only real change is going to come from WE WE WE THE PEOPLE. So be part of WE……………….. The entire earth needs WE! DUH!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

bob — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:02:00 GMT

Wide Awake. Please go back to sleep. You have obviously never been out of Tacoma. I have lived and worked outside of the US for the better part of the last 20 years and no matter where I go and who I speak to, from Asia, to Central and South America to Europe and the Middle East, our standing in the world is in terrible decline and the last 7 years have been devastating. I voted for Senior, so don't call me a liberal, but it will take a generation, maybe two to clean up this mess. The mess at home is worse yet....

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Val, Downey, CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:04:39 GMT

Obama and McCain are seriously the best men to run for President? We are totally s'crewed no matter which one of these cronies get elected. None of these guys has my vote of confidence to tackle the economy, health, and other crisis this country is enduring. Lord Help us!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Jim, Denver, CO — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:22:26 GMT

I think most middle-eastern peoples lack civil participation in there ethical structure. No fault to them, the've been ruled and there land carved up by outside governments time and again. Ethics and western democracy rely on civic participation, taught by family, friends and heros of the community at a very early age. Like BB King said "you can't raise'em over again". When the Iraqi people realize that they themselves are responsible for everything from trash in the street to business entreprenurship and that tribalisim is destructive, only then will they have caught-up to idea of modern civil personal responsiblity. Hummers and cash don't teach that...

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Shawn, Yucca Valley, CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:25:03 GMT

I think we need reminding that Peace costs nothing as long as you don't mind Justice being lost. When I was a child, I could let the bully have what he wanted every time he asked for it, or get a black eye fighting to keep what was rightfully mine.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Aegis Balzac Anytown, USA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:27:47 GMT

Oh yes, the Libs are traitors and clearly because someone posts a less than sunny view, obviously the media is slanted and out to slander your poor, poor Republikkkans. Here's an idea. You people have had the past couple of years to screw up the country and done a royal job of it. The media doesn't always tell the truth, but it's better than waving a flag like a good little Russian and nodding your head everytime someone says "Support our troops". The Iraqis want us out because we've made things WORSE. Let's indulge them and fix our own country before we piss all over theirs. To all of you neo-con, neo-nazi, flag waving idiots who think that by saying "support our troops" and that "liberals are ruining everything", look in the mirror first and then go spew your bile.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Janis McDonald, Pittsburgh, PA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:30:15 GMT

Sadaam, A Sunni, made life wonderful for the Sunnis and a living hell for the Shi'as and Kurds. So it stands to reason that if you interview a Shi'a or Kurd now, he/she is better off; and if you interview a Sunni now, he/she is worse off. One can only imagine how they must hate and want to prey on each other after all those Hussein years.

The important thing is this: No matter what media you use for your information, YOU ARE NEVER GETTING UNBIASED INFORMATION.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

In the Woods, Oregon — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:30:31 GMT

I myself, being a young (35) college educated American, have had many close friends of the same age go to "war" and return home to rural living. My search for knowledge has led me into many long conversations with ex-soldiers in an attempt to figure out whats really going on and how they feel about US foriegn policy. I know marines that have been all over the middle east. I know Airforce Pilots that used to fly f-16's in Korea and Africa. I know Army men and women who have been to Iraq and back. These people i speak of are my friends and my peers. They may not all be "college educated" , but they all receieved an education about how to enforce the decisions of their commanders. AND that is what they ALL say..."You just do your job the best you can"...soldiers are not trained for opinions, they are trained to strike and defend! AND when you take the time to really find out what these people think, you will realize they all have different thoughts and attitudes...it's just impossible to make a general statement when everyone i know that is a Vet has a different view. PLEASE stop generalizing and stereotyping the soldiers...They are individuals with vary different experiences, perspectives and opinions.

NO vet i have ever spoke with said "it has been a waste"... though most feel they would have had more "fun" in college!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Rhonda Gemas Pittsburgh Pennsylvania — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:32:58 GMT

People think communism is so terrible, then why is China thriving and we're borrowing money from THEM???

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Mike Brooks, Eugene, Oregon — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:36:29 GMT

Well, it looks like Bush and McCain have solved the Iraq problem. Nothing else worked, so they bankrupted the U.S., sent us spiraling into a depression. Now, well now we can't afford to muddle in Iraq any more. (Of course, we can't afford Afghanistan, oil or other commodities, Bill Gates cheap guest workers - Indian and Chinese freeloaders here on H1-B visas, medical care, food, or much of anything else.)

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Josie in Arizona — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:37:01 GMT

In spite of the mess we're in, we are Americans first. As such, let's watch, listen, research for facts, and vote best choice under the circumstances.We can also take steps to improve our respective cities, towns, neighborhoods, households, within this, our faltering but still great nation.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Mario, Tempe, AZ — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:37:40 GMT

Nate in AZ, you've must have lost your dang mind! I got a call from one of the snipers (Army, 1st Infintry Div) in my family from Iraq this past weekend and he can't wait until his 9 months are up and he can either go back to Germany or come home to AZ. See they sleep and eat and kill in this country that they HATE, his words not mine. I have 8 younger family members fighting this war as I type these words and about 4 close friends and they all want to leave right now! I also coach youth football and 4 of my players have Father's and 3 more have brothers fighting this war and whenever they come to our games or football practices I make it a point to honor all of them and to spend time talking to them and NOT A SINGLE 1 OF THEM WANT TO BE IN IRAQ! So, I'll put my word against yours and I will assure you that 8 out of EVERY 10 of the men & women I know, want to get the hell out of there. But you want to keep them there while you sit home and play on your computer! I'm from a deep Military Family & we've been fighting for the USA in every war since my great-grandfather & his brother-in-law were some of the 1st Black men to serve and fight during WWII. So please don't disrespect all of the active duty men & women as well as all of the vets that have fought for this country with your NEO-CON views! Take your azz over there and fight since you want us to stay in this war, that shouldn't have ever been started! Whatever happened to us catching Bin Laden and the other murders of the 3000+ Americans? Neo-cons only want to nation build and the rest of us want justice for 9/11!

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Nicky P — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:40:07 GMT

the truth still remains hidden to many, so i urge you all to look into this documentary that has been kept quiet by our nations government. if you have not been enlightened to this information, please do not make the mistake of regarding it as 'propaganda'. once you have heard the facts, than you have the choice to believe whatever you want, but do not discredit something you have no knowledge of. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie the first third is about religion, but what is most important is what follows. it goes into great detail the truths behind the events that our country has been apart of, and the reality of our countries agenda.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Tired of Right-Wing Lies, Albuquerque, NM — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:43:55 GMT

To Wide Asleep and other Right-Wing Bull**** Artists:
You are all fools and a hypocrites for expelling the s*** that you do. Wide Asleep, where have you been for the last 8 years? Anyone who has been awake will tell you that the compassionate conservatives are the ones who have been watering down the constitution. Your "conservative" president has allowed ideology to rule above all of our governing documents and has run our country to the ground so he and his colleagues can make record profits. As a last harrah, your "conservative" president has ushered in US socialism with his corporate bail-out plan. Your "conservative" administration and hypocritical viewpoint is everything that is wrong with our country. On a final note to all those crying wolf, as for the liberal media tilt, the last time I check the moguls who run and operate a majority share of the "liberal" media were all big republican contributors.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Robert — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:44:05 GMT

I am not sure we can ask the Iraqis to use their $80 Billion to fix their country. Remember that we attacked and occupied Iraq,...we were not invited.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

JOHN, PHOENIX — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:44:22 GMT

Who really knows the truth, and screw IRAQ, they are a piece part the stupid reason we are in this financial mess. Why don't they get up off there dumb buts and pay for there own stuff. Also the media is only going to make this mess all worse. hype-hype I can not feed my family and pay for my mortgage if they (government and preess)turn this into feeding frenzy.

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IRAQI VET, Ft Sill, Ok — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:46:35 GMT

"Give me! I want! Give us." The mini debate sounds familiar, but what I've lacked to hear was LETS MAKE THIS WORK. It seems that we constantly hear, what THEY'RE doing for us, versus what WE'VE accomplished.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

keith biodrowski — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:47:03 GMT

like usual
the first concerne is the peeps who make big bucks
if they loose pay them back?
the money spent in iraq should of consisted with the iraqi peeps doing the rebuilding, if they were not qualified ? what happened to training them to do the work so they could earn the money.
suprize
it is happening right here with our banks and their adjustable morgage rate?
legal robbery - fool the peeps so they think they could make out with rates lowering?
not!!! like that would happen lol
banks would raise them even if the rate would lower. money mongers dont change and they are all the same across the world
#1 idea make big bucks and step on everyone in the way.
give the bailout to the homeowners that were layed off only, with 6 months worth of house payments under their belt . tack that money to their loans , and make it manitory that banks refinance the adjustable rate loan for a fixed common rate also installed into the loan. so the homeowner can get back on their feet with a new job.if in 6 months they cant get back on line.well the money still goes to the bank for that 6 months and the banks can say they tryd instead of, get the hell out we get your house and everything has gone to the crapper.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Nicky P, East Lansing, Michigan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:47:30 GMT

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie

folks, for almost all of you, the truth remains untold, and i urge you to look into this documentary that was put together regarding our nation and the events in which we were involved in. although people who wish to not face the facts will regard it as propaganda or conspiracy, i assure you it is nothing of the sort and is completely factual and has all the information cited on the website. the first third of the movie about religion, which is unimportant in my opinion, but do not stop watchign because after that the rest of the movie talks about the real reason we are at war, and the people who are creating the situation, only for their personal gain. do not make the mistake of disregarding this information before you are informed about it; listen, consider, be open minded, and then come to your own conclusion. do not simply be content with the conclusion that our government has provided you with. thanks, and i hope you will take this into consideration and begin to spread the truth.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

TickedOffVoter, Taxationland, Maine — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:47:38 GMT

If we went to a cafe in suburban Detroit, and istened in on the conversations there, we may here similar sentiments. Would that mean then, that we would have to pull the US Gov'mt out of Detroit? I think that if the Liberals and Liberal Media in this country focused on the current murder rate in inner cities nation wide, or drunk driving deaths, or rapes, or black on black violence, they would find that WE IN THIS COUNTRY are in more of a crisis than Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to leave there too, but when we could be sure that the radical Islamist Terrorists like Al Q'ieda wouldn't destabilize the country and send it into chaos. I just wish I would see the same energy and passion from those on the left to fix the problems in thier own back yard. They only seem to get excited when it can be blamed on Pres Bush or republicans. Since most all the big cities are run by Democratic machines, we here little of thier problems.

For example: Hurricane Ike was horribly devistating to the Texas coast and to Gaveleston and Houston and surrounding areas. What was missing was a Democrat Mayor and Governer blaming it on the Feds. The devistation was worse for many communities then what happened in New Orleans, but where are the celebities and the Blame Bush media? Where are the finger pointers and the endless news coverage of why George Bush hates Blacks or Hispanics or Rural Whites?, Because there are no people in the devistated areas who are constantly told they are victims and that they are helpless. They are all helping each other and getting up off thier buts and taking care of themselves as much if not more than what the Government could be doing. Yet right now, this second, there are still hundreds if not thousands still in FEMA supplied housing from Kitrina! Those people are actually HURTING the rest of the country's ability to aid in another Ike or Rita or Katrinina by bing LOADS on the system. They are not learning from Texas, they are being good Democrat voters and staying VICTIMS and sources of endless news stories of the failures of George Bushes governement.

WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!! The Democratic Party has been hijacked by communists, Marxists, anarchists, socialists, and mental defectives. It has been going on for a long long time. At it's core though are the same type of currupt politicos they claim to oppose. Taking money from currupt unions, foriegn governments, and elements of society who wish the USA harm. I WAS a Massachusettes (sp?) Democrat a long time ago, then I saw the UAW force my dads auto assembly plant to close in Framingham and the UAW and AFL-CIO drive the American manufacturing supremicy overseas because of greed and corruption.
I am in a Union myself today, but I do not ever vote how they tell me, nor do I support who they want me too. Uniions have a small core which is good, surrounded by a large rotten exterior.
Crap, I am so upset I am rambling, you get the gist. Just never base a policy or viewpoint from one slanted input. Look, Listen, Analyze, Research, Verify! Trust no one with an agenda, right or left, but verify the story independantly. The purpose of Government is to provide it's people security and freedom to live out thier lives free from fear or worry about hostile powers foriegn or domestic. Free to pursue happiness. Happiness itself is not guarunteed.

The only other way to provide the securty that President Bush has attmpted to do with the Democritization of Iraq, would be to kill everyone in that part of the world. I find that unacceptible and morally incomprehensible, but more favorable than if they were doing that to us, so I think this current course is the best comprimise he had.

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Pam Danville,Va. — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:47:39 GMT

Its like the old saying goes everybody wants to complain about the weather,but nobody wants to do anything about it.We are complaining about the loss jobs that went over seas, Who passed the law to let them go over there to begin with? I beleive it was before Bush took office. And this debt we'er having in
in the U.S could a little bit of it be a contribution
because of the other people coming other here working from other countries and not having to pay taxes, and sending there money back to there country
I don't understand that.And as far as the war is concerned I have a son in Iraq I don't won't him there
either,but he told me he would rather be there than for them to be here.No matter what president we put in
office they all make it look good in the begining,but
they can only do what Congress lets them do, we've already seen 2 years of Congress...Yes I'm a Republican

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Carolyn, Louisville, Kentucky — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:48:31 GMT

This article represents just a handful of people out of the millions that live in Iraq. People there have many different opinions of the U.S.A. based on what they have to go through every day whether it be good or bad. Don't be lazy and rely on this one article to form an opinion of what "everyone" in Iraq thinks. Do some research and then decide for yourself.

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J Crowe — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:20 GMT

There are millions of Iraqi's that are thrilled and know there lives are so much better --they are free--and not under the regime of Sadaam. On this NBC site you will rarely hear any good about the war - and this message will most likely not be included. As someone connected directly with soldiers in Iraq -- it is nothing short of amazing how lives have been improved. Why are there so many global whiners?

Nate, you are "connected" with soldiers in Iraq? In other words, we should question the source of your knowledge, as you have never even been there!

I was a psychological operations soldier, and when I was there trying to win hearts and minds, I found most Iraqi's were indeed glad to be rid of Saddam. However, most said there living conditions had gotten worse, as typically happens in a WAR ZONE!

With the problems facing us at home, it's time to set a date and withdraw. We got into this war because of lies and fearmongering. It's sad, but Iraq was more stable with Saddam at the helm. We need to focus on our own problems. While I'm glad Saddam no longer oppresses them, the Iraqis need to assume respnsibility for themselves. If they want a democracy, they need to fight for it. Our presence there simply makes many of them feel that voting is pointless. Obviously, their opinions are myriad and varied, but I agree with them on one thing: the upcoming election is a false dilemma - faces may change, but nothing else will!

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pattherealist — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:58:26 GMT

Well what? You invade a country WITHOUT provocation, cause a civil war there, bringing about the massacre of more than 600,000 people and the displacment of millions.
And after all that, the people of that country are supposed to "be thrilled to have you there"..??? comon Please........!

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SomeoneWhoActuallyCaresAboutHumans!, Sacramento, CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:58:44 GMT

ok, seriously, if i hear the term "liberal media" one more time i'm gonna lose my mind!!! if that is so (which is most defintely is NOT!), where are all these Repugs getting their info from? ohhhhh . . . Fox news!!! Of course, well, allow me to suggest reading a BOOK, or several for that matter, and actually Educate yourselves on the the unbelieveable horrifying travesties these people have endured for the last umpteen years under multiple "governments" and see how you'd be feeling right about now. & don, you really honestly believe these poor people (our "nabors" - lol), are just standing around hoping for "big government rations" because they don't want to work?!!! perhaps it's because there are no JOBS (which even an obvious semi-literate like you would realize equals No Money which equals No Food, etc. etc.). or just maybe it's because they risk getting shot down in the street just for being outside? humm.... As for all of our Children Whom We Sent to Die coming back singing the praises of this filthy money war, several friends who've returned with many stories (though oddly few videos), would beg to differ, including how their ability to Speak the Truth was "curtailed" (no, not Top Secret stuff), obviously to keep the aforementioned Truth from getting out (which it didn't thanks to our Conservative Corporate Money-Loving press - for the most part.) But what angers me off more than anything is all the MORONS out there who continue to support something/one that/who hasn't done ANYONE any real honest good just because they're too stupid and greedy themselves to turn the damn channel! well, when we're all broke & dying from cancer (or any number of diseases many of us don't have the insurance to cure), or when you try to retire and realize you don't have enough to live on and cry cuz your Social Security check is too small to eat And live indoors, or when you're forced to go into a retirement home and find out you have to get rid of everything you have to qualify for Medicare (aka Spending Down), because your life savings ain't what you thought it was, i can't wait to hear all your complaining about the "evils of big government" (that could have done something for you if you werent' such a schmuck), and how kool it was we blew the crap of thousands of innocent people and accomplished nothing more than making a lot of already wealthy people richer than even they ever imagined. i'm pretty sure you won't be blaming yourselves for being too Lazy and not standing "on your own two feet" (assuming you have two feet.) I sure your grandchildren will enjoy your legacy. Amen.

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rick — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:59:03 GMT

To U.S. Citizens, U.S. election just ‘sour promises’

Fixed that typo in the tile.

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help, NM — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:01:14 GMT

Cindy how many Iraq's died because we invated there country? they didn't ask for that. How can you be inline mith Maccain on one hand and say we need to get get out? McCain whants to stay 100 years. Well where in the world is Ban laden? Isn't he the exuce Bush used to invated Iraq? well they haven been there before we helped them but thanks to us now they do. This was about oil control and Bush's ego trip. Wou and you want 4 more years like that?

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RCohen, Hackensack, NJ — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:02:32 GMT

As I have been saying all along, we cannot just hand over democracy and freedom to the Iraqis, they will not understand what it means. They need to earn it themselves, then they will understand.

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T. Rodriguez, Mayaguez, PR — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:04:00 GMT

"I hear the sound of the mill," said Akram, the owner of the café, "but I don't see any flour."

This is how it is. The candidates tell the people what they want to hear, they seem like they know how to change things for the better, but then once they get presidency they realize that it's harder to change things that have been the same way for so long. Whoever takes office next will have a lot of fixing to do, whatever that may be. Change is needed.

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AngryJoeVoter, Taxationland, Maine — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:04:25 GMT

Well the only other thing to solve our problems over there would be launched from a Trident Submarine! 24 Empty missile tubes, 192 or so mushroom clouds, and then oil for free. What do you think of that? If we were as bad as some of you morons think we were, THAT is how it would have played out, period. No loss of American Lives, nada, not a one, and end of threat from waco Islamist Facists. Did we do that? No. Wake up and smell your fair trade coffee! America is the ONLY nation to go to war for the gain of others, not ourselves. We protect world wide freedom and most of you mentally challanged folks out there think we do it to be conquerers and robber barrons? Oh, and to Clinton in Orlando, FLA. The Germans and the Japanese love us now, we did not keep thier countries, we rebuilt them, FOR FREE BECAUSE WE FORGAVE THE DEBT!! and we reestablished their manufacturing base, we gave them back thier dignity and honor not normally done to a defeated foe, we became trade partners for thier goods so they could continue to grow, and we established a presence in thier nations to protect them from further depridations of the USSR and Communist CHina. Japan has had to spend virtually nothing in its own national defence since WWII and without our bases and our activities, there would still be TWO GERMANIES!!! God some of you people are so damn ignorant! READ a BOOK or two. Stop regurgitating the Kos (which I read too, just so I can see how far you all have strayed) 'Nuff for now, you guys are giving me an ulcer.

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pattherealist — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:05:54 GMT

To:
Cindy! Vote for Obama/ Biden. You cant vote for McCain/Palin please (She is no good for womens issues either),
Please after everything thats happened over
the past 8 years, you cant do that to your country. Read the facts before Election Day... Im trusting you to come to your senses and do the right thing...

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Will, Portsmouth, Virginia — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:06:12 GMT

There is no slant here. Try having a conversation with an Iraqi without a stryker and a full team of infantry behind you and this is exactly what you get. Put yourself in their shoes for a second and ask yourself how you would fill under 5 years of occupation. We are not here because they love us, we are here because it would be irresponsible to leave such a mess of things. For those military folks leaving comments, if you buy into the lie that you are giving Iraq a warm fuzzy, make sure to reenlist. For myself, I am opting out after giving 10 years of my life taking it to the enemy. I'll rejoin whenever I see a fight worth fighting.

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James M. Pundsack, Sun City, AZ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:07:02 GMT

I stand with Senator McCain on how we should handle the country of Iraq. The radical elements of Islam are no longer destroying other Iraqis like they were some time in the past. Their ouster is directly related to the effective Surge he recommended .
I do agree that the Media is so Liberal biased for they have stopped Reporting the NEWS in favor of creating it to suit their own beliefs.
It angers me when they say that Iraq (Sadam) had no weapons of mass destruction--maybe it's because he used the Chemical one to kill thousands of Kurds--the mass grave just recently uncovered. Also, not too long ago,there was an entire shipload of "Yellow Cake" transported from Iraq to a Canadian Province for use in creating Power at their Nuclear plant. This material can be used to create Bombs for use in missle warheads etc. A stable and Friendly Iraq can be a stableizing force in a turbulent Islamic area.
I surely would trust Senator McCain to handle the Pakistan/Kurdistan problems we are now involved in.
I believe his guidance would result in eliminating Osama Binladen as well. I'm one who believes it is better to fight the Islamic Extremists in their own backyard rather than in ours.
Enough said!

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James M. Pundsack, Sun City, AZ — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:10:39 GMT

That is fine with me. What ever and whenever it appears, I just got a lot off my chest!

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A. J. Matt — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:33:24 GMT

Four people. Heck, this isn't even a poll. It's a reporter's story of FOUR people's opinions. I love how we turn the thoughts of four people having lunch into foreign policy.

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Wade — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:45:54 GMT

I have seen it said on this "soapbox", but the truth be told, many Iraqis are so thankful to the US that Saddam is gone. Us abandoning them is just going to make things worse, for them and for us. Maybe some say we should not have been there in the first place, but until you know how it is to live in that environment, you need to keep an open mind. No one should have to live in fear like the Iraqi people did.

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Biff, Waterbury, CT — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:46:32 GMT

You're all pathetic! Complain, whine, moan, point fingers, assign blame, and then sit back, do absolutely nothing and hope a white knight comes to the rescue, magically pulled from your rectum as you sit and have your collective half-witted cerebrum saturated by the same ol' TV crap. You're WORSE than Bush and those you blame, because you SEE it and you still do NOTHING about it. You keep electing the same talking heads, and think "your guy" is better and will lead you to the Promise Land. YOU are the problem.

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tallnyc9 — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:55:36 GMT

I hate when these stupid Americans like the ones who posted their crap here blame the bad tragedy in Iraq in the liberal media. Whata liberal or conservative has anything to do with lies, death, opression, destruction which is Iraq? first of all the news in Iraq are much worse that the USA media tells us. There are thousand of journalists in Iraq, but we never hear their opinion here in the USA. I never saw one Iraqi journalist in the American TV, I wonder why. First of all the USA destroyed the country of Iraq and did not fix it. The surge is a joke. It's not because the increase of the troops, it decreased the violence it's because we are paying former sunny enemies of us to stop attacking american troops. Al sadr decided to stop attacking for political interest and in exchange we would not attack or arrest their criminal members who killed many american soldiers. How low can we go to say this is victory and democracy? ask McCain. Having electricity, water and schools are no favor to a country like Iraq, they always had this much more before we destroyed them. How about the refugees? The Iraqi middle class that decide to leave Iraqi otherwise their would be killed.ah the eveil Iran and Syria received more refuggees than the USA. I wonder if McCain or any other american can walk in the streets of Bagadad freely, withoust bullef proof, guards and etc.Maybe McCain can give some conference in any institutuion of Bagdad freely for a big audience. By the way Bush, Condoleeza Rice, congressmen and senators that claimed having many times to Iraq it's not true. They went to the green zone. The green zone is not Iraq is a military fortress that does not belong the Iraqis but the USA. 4 explosions a day 10 attacks per day is not a victory is stil a tragedy. Also how Ironic the puppet government of Iraq is totally alied with our evil enemy Iran. We hate Iran we acuse them of everything killing our soldiers, but the prime minister and president go back and forth to Iran and are welcomed with kisses and hugs and it's ok.

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Ally Hauptmann — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:39:39 GMT

Only proves once again that people come and go - individuals do not matter and are exchangeable. It's the issues that make the cake, in Iraq and everywhere else!

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Elise — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:43:34 GMT

Hmm... even the author of this article included comments by a GRATEFUL Iraqi. His friend Adnan was glad to be out from under Saddam's oppression, even though it was accomplished by force. But Adnan's opinion did nothing to reinforce the author's objective in writing the article.

Our soldiers marched into that country and liberated tortured prisoners of Saddam, a person who raped and allowed his regime to rape children, who threw his enemies in a wood chipper, who massacred entire communities, and who murdered members of his own family on a whim. Life better under Saddam? Pull your head out of your liberal posterior!

War sucks! Does this come as a shock to anyone? Of course I would be angry if my family had been the victims of collateral damage, and I might even feel subjective enough to blame or even hate the US, regardless of its perceived intentions. I'd be entitled to feel this way. But the reality is that collateral damage has been one of the unfortunate side effects of every war in history. It would do us well to remember that many of the innocent civilian lives lost in Iraq were taken by Iraqi insurgents. You know, those people our soldiers are fighting over there.

And by the way, no matter how it stings to hear it, our guys are winning. Oh, how bitter it must have been to hear those words, "The surge is working." U.S. casualties DOWN, despite liberal prognostications of dismal failure.

Yes, we could've stayed put and let Saddam thumb his nose at the whole world five years ago. (Let's see... How many times was it, again, that the U.N. demanded to be allowed into Iraq to carry on inspections and ensure that all WMD's were destroyed or dismantled? How many meaningless ultimatums were issued? How many times did Saddam refuse to comply?) We could've done that. Maybe we should've. Perhaps we should've allowed Iraq to remain the festering terrorist state it was under Saddam.

If that's your opinion, then I have good news for you: There's still time! All we have to do is to pull out today and watch all of the sacrifice of Americans, Iraqis, British, etc. come to naught as the country collapses into a wasteland of sectarian violence, anarchy, and despair. Then Al Qaeda will rise up like a glorious phoenix from the ashes to wreak havoc on the "infidels" once again.

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Mike Lang, Barstow, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:57:56 GMT

Heres an idea! How about iraq take care of itself instead of biting the hand that feeds you. Everyone is crying that they want the US to help but yet you are the first to talk trash. Either man up and take care of yourselves without US money or SHUT UP.

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Zadie Be EL Cajon — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:06:05 GMT

Now you can call it occupation but, I call is too late. Saddam and his son were going around just raping anyone they want. I heard that his son pulled a woman away from her husband and raped her. Why would any country or any person even those living in Iraq not stand up to stop that. If the leader of America did that the American people would be all over him. Now, the people there must stand up to do what is right and treat each other with equal and loving committment then there would be no need for us to be there. I wish we would have stop what Saddam did to his own people long ago. This was late in comming and the people there must simply get rid of the terrorist in their country and solve their own problems and we will be glad to get out.

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harry woodbridge nj — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:12:07 GMT

its time to get out. its time to become an isolationist nation. who said we had to take care of the world? But we must show the world that to take us on by force is a mistake!there is no more MAD there are to many players now.what other options are open to us?if a group(not a reconissed goverment) attacks us who do we defend against? We The American People can destroy the world, end it has we know it, this is what the middle east conflict is about. what is too high a cost to prevent that?

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Chris, Yucaiap — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:40:26 GMT

Rez Sal, I agree with you totally. America should have never gotten involved in the Middle East. It would have been so peaceful. When Saddamn rolled into Kuwait, we should have ignored him. And when he kept going and took over Saudi Arabia, we should have cheered. A few months later when he and various other Muslim countries attack Isreal, we'll just shake our heads and say "oh well". Make no mistake, when Isreal realizes that they are losing, they WILL go nuclear in which we will see the largest lose of life in history as Baghdad, Damascus and Tehran are turned into glass parking lots.

This is the price the world will pay if the US just stays home and pretends the world is a far better place without us.

You sir, are an idiot.

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tomtom, Fredonia, N.Y. — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:56:01 GMT

Wide awake must of been sleeping for the last few years, I'm really wondering where the "Liberal Media" is, Fox? A.M. radio? ABC, NBC, CBS?.... Asides from this debate over this article- there's an old Taoist proverb that says- when the river gets shallow the fish smear mud all over each other-
Everybody in this Country, Left and Right should remember- we're all here together and in the same boat-Beligerance and devisiveness won't get US anywhere. It's time that we find common grounds over this war, our economy and our self serving, inept leaders so as to find solutions to this mess that we are in.

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mike, san diego — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:06:26 GMT

To: Erik, Mechanicsburg, PA
"BUSH LIED TO GET SUPPORT FOR WAR"
google this erik Iraq Liberation Act by bill clinton
"BUSH TRAMPLES OVER CONSTITUTION, ADVOCATES ILLEGAL SPYING"
consequence of 9-11.
"BUSH TURNS BLIND EYE TO DETAINEE TORTURE"
i suppose if you get in a fight with someone and they poke you in the eye in a fight you won't do the same if you are losing. also i guess if they are chopping our heads off i guess its only fair we play by the rules.
"BUSH IGNORES FLOODED NEW ORLEANS"
gov jindal didn't have such a problem he handled it as the governor. he had a mandatory evacuation. florida has terrible hurricanes every year. i don't hear half anyone blaming the president then. heard of hurricane andrew?

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r bee , Springfield,MO — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:06:27 GMT

How about we give all our senate, house & appointed
people in gov. a common sense test. I don't think there would any left to run the Gov. do to failure.

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Jack Savage, Denver City Texas — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:35:43 GMT

To J. Webb and all you other absent minded tree huggin libs:
Do you think the slaves were better off before so many Americans gave their lives to free them too? There might be some people in Iraq who have forgotten what it was like to not have a chance of freedom, it seems to be human nature, there are a lot of liberals over here too that have already forgotten what 9/11 was like. People say there wasn't any weapons in Iraq but I know for a fact there was at one time and they are either are still there or they went to Syria. Any body sayin different doesn't have a lick of horse sense. There is nothin more disgusting than a whiner that's living in a Blessed situation. We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this blood for oil thing. If Bush were trading blood for oil he would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied...People Died' crap either.
If he were the liar you morons say he was he could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be discovered.
Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as us. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before Bush came into office. Some guy named Clinton established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?
Now some of you morons want to be led by a junior senator with no understanding of foreign policy or economics, and this nitwit says we should attack Pakistan, a nuclear ally. And then he wants to go to Iran and make peace with a terrorist who says he's going to destroy us. While he's doing that, he wants to give Iraq to al Qaeda, Afghanistan to the Taliban, Israel to the Palestinians. Obama also thinks it's okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and we should stop our foreign aid to Israel . Did you
sleep through high school?
Just let me know if you need any more straightening out. Jackie ray

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JG, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:58 GMT

This story and the reactions of everyday Iraqis makes me more sure than ever we need to get out as soon as possible. Let the Iraqis run their own country any way they see fit. We have already given way to much in lives and national treasure. If they can't take over after almost 6 years they will never be able to do it. There are things we Americans cannot and should not do and nation building is one of them.

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Steve, Kabul, Afghan — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:39:58 GMT

"For weary Iraqis" notice how there was only what two. Reading the title, you would assume that the reporter had rounded up all the Iraqis and polled them.

I laugh at the folks that think any country in the mid east, is aligning with Iran. Iran, is like the bully in school that nobody likes. I would like to think Iranians dont even like Iran. Now if you would have used Pakistan as an example I would agree.

Total time I have spent in Iraq has been well over two years, I will say that from my experience people are still happy we are there. I have met a few people who said things would be better without us there. To them I offered the following advice: "If you want us to leave, take a break from killing each other for a little while. Put your problems on a hiatous, make us think everything is fine. Once we are out, you can go back to killing each other again. I really dont see why you guys havent figured that out yet." It seems that they have started taking my advice.

Isolationism doesnt work. We tried that once. We can not just mind our own buisness, and stay out of other peoples affairs. It has proven not to work.

Also, remember before throwing the term warmonger out there, the democrats are responsible for wars with the most American causlties. Yes, the toll in Iraq has topped 3000. Yes that is a big number. But think we've been there for over 5 years. We lost more than 3000 on D-Day. If you think the media isnt liberal, take the wool off your eyes. Open up and see, that you never see the good things soldiers do. You dont hear about us rebuilding schools, giving school supplies, doing medical exams, providing health care to everyone we can, giving iraqis prosthetics, hell you dont hear how American troops used to get attack while trying to finish up a school building. I cant count the number of times we got shot at working on a school, while kids were inside.

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Nathan — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:26:47 GMT

Why is it that whenever someone is in trouble, they immediately want to know what it is that America is going to do to help them? Perhaps we've brought it upon ourselves but is anyone else tired of being viewd as a safety-net and used as a crutch? Fix your own bloody problems. The colonists (mostly farmers) rose up against British tyranny so what is everyone elses excuse?

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JustanotherFATamerican — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:36:16 GMT

I love to read the comments from fool who believe everything they read or hear from the news. Open your eyes morons... 70% of the problem the Gov. has is due to the American people taking these ballon/ARM loans after they were told that the "cheap" rates are a temp. Clinton Admin is to blame for most of this mess. A wife cheating pimp that all seem to love. Oh and also, the gov. is a majority Dem one now.... No wonder nobody there can figure anything out. 200 morons humping a doorknob w/ 200 million idiots crying the blues... CNN rules this country.

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M Talas, Denver, CO — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:51:28 GMT

Nate, and others who think these quotes are just attributed to the "liberal" press....dream on ! Just got off the phone with my family in Iraq (I am an Iraqi-American, 1/2-1/2 who came to this country at 5 years old). Things are horrible there, people are dying around them of disease and bad drinking water, the temps hover around 110 degrees now with no air conditioning (devastating for the sick and elderly), food and gas shortages abound and what is on the market is barely affordable for the average Iraqi due to the rampant inflation, jobs are scarce and people are psychologically weary and dejected. Saddam was a dictator and absolutely did not tolerate political opposition, but he made sure the average person was taken care of; jobs and training were available, there was national health care, no income tax, free child care, pensions, jobs and health care coverage for the disabled, religious freedom was the norm, people were safe on the streets, women received stipends to stay home and care for their newborn children, possession of guns was outlawed, crime and drugs were unheard of, etc, etc... NOW Iraq has become a lawless town similar to the American old west, where guns and shootouts abound, religious divisions are common and right-wing conservatives terrorize average citizens with their threats of god's retribution, jobs are hard to come by, there are shortages of gas, food, electricity, and even fuel oil, decent health care is almost nonexistent, clean drinking water is not available for most, and no one is safe on the streets.
If Americans want to keep dreaming about how we are there to "establish peace and democracy" - then heed the words of Abraham Lincoln who once said " A nation who wishes to remain ignorant and be free, has what never was and will never be." WAKE UP ! We have not built the largest U.S. Embassy in the entire world in this tiny country...to encourage democracy....we won't be out of Iraq for years to come. Iraq is our new "client" state in the middle-east, our new CIA listening post, our new access to their (NOT our) oil wealth, our new military staging point in the region now that we have given up Saudi bases. We have hundreds of US bases in the country and just built at a cost of billions of dollars, an embassy 4 times the size of the pentagon !! That is because we plan to be there for a LONG, LONG time in one way or another. Sure, we will conduct some staged troop draw downs along the way...but wait and see, we will still have a major presence in Iraq for years to come. While the U.S. economy tanks and people here lose their houses and dreams...and politicians try to blame it all on the housing crisis, no one mentions the costs of the Iraq adventure to the U.S. taxpayer. McCain talks about spending MORE on military. Well, politicians can cut every good program in this country that helps average folk, but we still will NEVER have enough money to make this economy healthy again IF we don't STOP this military madness ! We cannot sustain our military adventures all over the world and still have our economy thrive. WAKE UP PEOPLE ! The U.S. needs to become a good WORLD citizen. We need politicians that understand that they need to SERVE the citizens of this country and not the corporate masters...corporations are NOT patriotic, they serve only themselves and their shareholders. Wake up, America...before we have nothing left in this country. And to all you conservative Christians who think that the entire world revolves around the issues of abortion and gay rights...wake up and realize these are issues of faith that can NEVER be settled by politicians and laws. Keep those issues in your homes, hearts, and churches - not in the halls of congress. There are MUCH more important issues to settle in this country. I hope you realize that your crap sounds EXACTLY like Osama Bin Laden...you are both two "peas in a pod." He too blames hurricanes and disasters on God's retribution for the sins of people. When you have lost your homes due to the mortgage crisis, your 401K due to the banking crisis, your jobs due to the bad economy, and your sons due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...remember, I am sure it was all God's plan and was due to the fact that YOU are a sinner (it has nothing to do with greedy corporations, corrupt politicians, self-serving churches, and ignorant voters). Wake up, please.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Steve, Casco, Maine — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:53:44 GMT

Dave (in Rochester, Michigan),

What is it like to have such a blind faith in a political party that you can honestly think we are doing well as a country? I saw this when Palin was nominated as well as have to ask someone who practices this "skill" how easy or hard it may be.

The truth is, the die-hard Republicans in this country will take any piece of ^%#! information, person, program, or scenario and back it because a Republican put it forward. When NPR is doing interviews during the RNC and a Methodist minister's wife is saying that Palin's daughter's issue is not a problem, that is a prime example of a sell-out. When Carl Rove can gripe about Obama considering Bill Bolling as a potential VP earlier this year on the basis that he has no experience and was only the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, but then say Palin is perfect as a previous mayor of Wasilla, AK, that is the prime example of a sell-out. Do you realize just how corrupt this current administration is? Further, they compound the corruption with the assumption that the American people are complete dolts and will never see what a bunch of self-serving criminals they are.

Here's something new and exciting for you; take your Republican blinders off, reverse your cranial-rectal inversion, and think for yourself; the people you idolize and blindly follow really don't care about you...

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Mike, MT — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:58:22 GMT

i find these articles rather humorous myself.... but the iraqis want and expect everything to be handed to them... there lazy... we won't see a significate change until the next generation takes over because everyone else is stuck on yesterday... where far more people died each day...also you have to realize it's just a couple peoples personal opinions. i talk to many iraqis on a regular basis and many are very happy but saying this they also need to hear a plan and work on supporting themselves so it doesn't just turn right back around... and remember sometimes what the majority wants isn't always the right thing... these people need help.

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Luis, New York — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:11:32 GMT

Well, in that short video there was a lady who said that they now don't have electricity, the water is dirty, the sewage system is a mess, and now they have cholera. And you wonder why they are upset? Sure they were given freedom from Saddam but what does that freedom entail? Everything that lady said in addition to violence, hunger, malnutrition, and so on. Sure it's easy to make a mess and then say, "OK they don't love us, fine we'll leave." But many of us were taught that when we make a mess we clean it up. See, if the water, electricity, sewage, health, safety, peace-of-mind, etc... were eroded in your city, town, or neighborhood I think you would have a different perception of what is happening to the Iraqis.

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jim ruttan sarnia ontario canada — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:16:48 GMT

i get a little tired of peoplee in the states saying canadda is a socialist country. we have a medical plan that takes care of everyone and if you work you pay into it businesses have to pay into it. yes--just like in the states we have gouging doctors and dentists and so called speciialists we have had and likethe states will continue to have idiots in government. a few of the writers were right the states should quit sticking its nose into other countries business and claiming to spread thei brand of democracy you have had two bush,s running your country and you should realise that "bush" is an acronym for bull shit

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Anthony Lobo, Toronto, Ontario — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:23:07 GMT

It is very easy to have an opinion. In fact very good and that is exactly what democracy is all about. It is very easy to be judgemental and condem every thing and every body around you.
But my point is what about "YOU"? What are we doing to make this world a better place. What have we contributed to making our own lives, the lives of our families and those around us more livable???
Unless each and every one of us can answer these questions, it is pointless in being pessimistic or judgemental of others, situations or whatever have u.

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Mark Cadiz, Lodi, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:27:25 GMT

The war in Iraq is immoral. We went in under false pretense and continue to occupy it under false pretense. There is nothing to win there, everyone loses. Iraq will fall as soon as we leave. Why does the Christian Right hate so much that they want to kill everything and everyone in sight? Palin called Iraq a mission from God. Heaven help us!

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Michael Price, Sterling Heights, MI — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:45 GMT

lol bias bias bias ... one story not even a quarter page long from one person that interviewed a few people in one little cafe' now every reader is going to take the pulse of the whole Iraqi nation. ... hmmm You know God (or whomever you believe in or don't) put a head on your shoulders and what would be onteresting to see but will never happen because of the "Not my Problem" attitude in this country is for people to ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE and study from MULTIPLE media and news outlets and form people that have ACTUALLY been there and lived there. THEN form "YOUR OWN" opinion instead of taking someones word and thinking "It Must Be SO" attitude.

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Shawne middle of nowhere north carolina — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:39:02 GMT

What is so funny about how the Iraqi's say we have done nothing for them. One statement that i have to say is well you would never have the chance to stand up for yourself freely and say you hate the help you have or say that you wish we were not there. You actually have the choose to stand up for yourself. I guess give you the freedom of speach and the freedom to be who you want to be is not really what they wanted just someone to give them handouts just like all those people sitting on welfare here in the US stating that they are owed something. We should just packup and leave and let them handle themselves and see how long it turns back to a Suddam type country.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Jeff Meyer, Eaton, Ohio — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:54:55 GMT

It seems painfully clear--and not just in hindsight; I felt the same as I looked forward at the outset of the conflict--that a clear and concise endgame would have produced the most positive results for all. We can't police the world; and even though we should be willing to help out in extremes, the help can not and should not last forever. When it does, the liberated become the frustrated.

One cannot blame these men: the ones who are bitter toward us, the ones who recognize any positives regarding our stay, or the ones who just see "faces changing." And one cannot help but feel sorry for whichever candidate tries to salvage anything from this frontloaded, ill-planned escapade. Most of us feel there no longer IS a clean way to break off this engagement.

How much more intensely must the Iraqi People feel this?

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Son of America — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:06:54 GMT

Is it just me or does the same lazy attitude here in America permeate the rest of the world too?

Here's a concept everyone, the government is elected by the people and hence merely an extension to oversee that things run smoothly between everyone in the community. That being so, get off your lazy bums and do something about it if you aren't happy; and, I most definitely mean that you must get involved in your community and do something proactive to help it, not blow yourself up and expect people to not think you're a nut job. Same goes to my American hippie friends. Quit "raising awareness" by acting like a fool on a street corner with a sign and start a REAL organization and help people develop skills for real work so you cant blame other people for your poor economic standing. Im not rich, not even hardly middle class, but IM SICK of the lack of work ethic I see every day.

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harold angel — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:12:10 GMT

Bill, from Niceville, FL, America cannot be an isolationaist nation because the gluttony and excess that you and most Americans indulge in is only possible when the resources of others are robbed and brought here. As an isolationist state forget about cheap gas, cheap food and cheap beer. It's war after war that keeps the American economy alive. By the way, do you know who's responsible for arming every tom, dick and harry in this world to the teeth?

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Lisa Miller, Palm City, Florida — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:54 GMT

For all of you that thinks that America is so terrible. Why don't you get out. Move to another country; we don't want you here. No country is perfect, and ours certainly isn't, but this is still one of the few countries where you have the freedom to malign your government & its leaders, worship how you choose, and have a standard of living that is much higher than other nations. (In most socialized nations the people pay a total of 60% of their income on taxes. Not only do they pay income tax, they are also taxed yearly on "luxury" items such as t.v.s, cars, boats, etc.) Also, we support a little boy in Kenya who is so poor that he was thrilled when he received a new pair of shoes and some food for Christmas.

As to Iraq, they were thrilled when we first came, but like so many other people, they wanted freedom without all of the cost that comes with it. Everyone likes to think that freedom should come with very little sacrifice. Just look at our own history & see what it cost us to be free.

As far as those that see Saddam as just being an annoying dictator. Tell that to those who were put through wood chippers while still alive; those who had gasoline poured down their mouths and all over their bodies and were lit on fire; the many women who were taken on their wedding nights (from their grooms) and raped by Saddam's sons & soldiers; the people who were found buried in pits with many others.

Also, stop blaming Bush for everything. Congress also voted for the war, and they were given all of the intell. that Bush had to make that decision. Not only that, Clinton, while still president, is on record as saying that "we know" that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
As far as the economy goes, the current banking problem began when in 1999 the banking industry was deregulated, making it possible for all of these bad loans. Bush did not force people to buy homes they couldn't afford, or to get overblown home equity loans so people could do home improvement or take vacations. We gambled and made those choices. Well, we lost that gamble.

As far as Iraq, we should make them start paying us back out of their fast financial reserves, and if they are unwilling to do so, we should pull out. I think they'll see the light, since they know that if we pull out too soon, they will either have a massive civil war or they will be overrun by Iran.

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Michael G. Strother — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:37:43 GMT

Matthew 5:44-48
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Abe Lincoln — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:38:31 GMT

Most of the comments above seem to have the mentality of 3rd world citizens. Our actions outside the nation are larger than you can comprehend. Its not about you filling up your gas tank for less, or you having a bigger house, or you having....having....having...
stop being so selfish. The American Empire must secure its future. If this means pissing off petty little governments and little old you than too damn bad. The freedoms you enjoy did not come easy or without bloodshed. You take it for granted and dont believe that any one else on the planet is entiltled to it. History has problably left out how ruthless our dictatorship was under England when we declared independance, but it still sounds less harsh that what other societys are living under. We are obligated to help not because we can, but because America is not an island. The old days are gone, we have grown too large to support ourselves.If its true that S**T rolls down hill than we need to be at the top of that hill.

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Chris D., Washington, DC — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:57:31 GMT

Why would anyone be happy with the way Iraq is today? Of course this is the general sentiment of the population. Iraq has seen more death and destruction since 2003 than it did during Saddam's entire reign. It is easy for us to sit here from the USA and say "oh they'll appreciate their freedom someday" when we haven't had family members kidnapped raped and tortured because the US destroyed the stable (albeit oppressive) government they did have.

For weary Iraqis, U.S election smells of ‘honey promises’

Lisa, Stuart, Florida — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:58:57 GMT

What's the deal with calling conservatives Neo Nazis & Neo Coms? You don't here anyone calling you Marxist Pigs or Pinko Commies do you? It's amazing that in a "free country" people can't have differing opinions without being labelled. I found that "mud slingers" throw around names as a way of intimidating others. It saves them from having to have intellectual debate on issues. They are threatened by anyone that does not agree with them.

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Leo Lebanon Mane — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:05:45 GMT

I listen to the debate and was wondering what will the next President do for the group that is cooming of age getting ready to retire we have a voice people it is about time we start our own chant "WHAT ABOUT ME" wht do i have to look forward to will my 401k be there will Social Security be there, and by the way do you realize you are better off to become disabled then retire eg. if i retire i get $1,400 a month at 62
If I become disabled I will collect $1,900 and can start today how is that for incentive.
SO every time a politician speaks up at a raly lets give the chant " WHAT ABOUT ME "

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Jeff, Bryan, Texas — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:17:58 GMT

We went into Iraq because of 9-11; we wanted revenge for what happened here in the US. We have done a lot of good and bad for Iraq. From what I have been watching and reading you do not know who is who over there. The say the are happy to our faces then pull out a gun and shoot at our troops. How can you help a country that 1. Does not want to help themselves. 2. Thinks dieing a violent death is the way to go. 3. Is two faced. Our country is getting screwed up trying to help these people and what are we getting out of it? High gas prices, dead soldiers, talk of new and higher taxes... They are rat holing money that they could be using to rebuild their country and costing us here in the states everything. I was for helping out these people when they were going to pay us back, but they are to busy fighting over what they can keep taking. They want us out, lets go, maybe when next country takes them over we will be able to see who is the friend and who is foe. They want freedom then fight for it yourself like the US did.

As far as election, Obama needs to get a clue. His ideals will kill this country like we have not seen for almost 100 years. I for one do not want a national health care. I pay for my insurance, and if I need surgery I get it. Nobody ever said living in this country was free; it is the land of the free. Get off your butts, get an education, and pay for what you want like the honest hard working people do. Give, give, give, take, take, take is all we hear today, I for one am tired of paying so people can sit on their butts and collect a check from the government and pop out kids and look for someone to pay for it.