Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

The Bicycling Guitarist, Roseburg, Oregon — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:42:48 GMT

and these are our ALLIES? The male relatives of those girls should be tried for murder. I realize it is probably impossible to prove they did it, but I think all those male relatives should spend the rest of their lives in prison. "Local traditions" be damned. Multiculturalism and tolerance can only go so far.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Augustine — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:46:02 GMT

This is evil in its overt form. The world through the U.N should go to the bottom of the incident; drag the perpetrators to the International Court of Justice, including the accomplices; the police, local leaders and the governemnt in power for not bringing the perpetrators to justice.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Doug Edgar, Austin, TX — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:46:15 GMT

It sounds like the men are scared to death and resort to these measures as a means to overcome their own inadequacies.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

John Burkitt, Nashville, Tennessee — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:48:18 GMT

This world will be a better place when people realize honor is something only they can earn for themselves and only lose through their own actions. As far as I'm concerned, their "family honor" was shot down the tubes the moment they became a family that murdered its women.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

W. Harstad — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:49:41 GMT

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

jeepguy,tampa, fla — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:50:47 GMT

A land of terrorist and murderers! What a great place!Gotta love the cave man mentality!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Elizabeth Akbert, Lake Geneva, Wisconsin — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:53:00 GMT

This is a government the US supports. Saudi Arabia, another of our allies, also violates human rights of women. This is not a "cultural" issue. WOmen are human and they are treated worse than dogs in these countries. We would not tolerate Apartheid, which was a "cultural" rpactice too. We had no problem telling SOuth Africa that we would not tolerate their exclusion of blacks. But when the situation involves women, it becomes "cultural". I guess we still have a long way to go as a society before crimes against women are treated with the same outrage as racial hate crimes.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Kevin Bengtson — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:54:07 GMT

I read this article to my class this morning. Anyone else want to complain about living in the U.S.?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mark Daniel, Chicago, IL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:54:52 GMT

I bet over there they don't have to put up with Brittany Spears, Nichole Richie, and the likes of madonna. More power to them..

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

carl c. Blakeslee PA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:57:16 GMT

Age old traditions and religions resist change, education and enlightenment as a means of self perpetuation. It's easier to control and scare ignorant people than educated ones. Unfortunately leaders the world over know this, including in the good old US of A.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

TC — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:57:47 GMT

This is the problem with ALL religions, they prevent the advancement in moral matters rooted in ancient times when people believed the world was flat. Barbarism defended as tradition. While this is an extreme one should examine the validity of their own beliefs and traditions while they read in disgust at this incident and others.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dane Mize, Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:58:17 GMT

And the U.S. has sent over $5 billion in aide to this country?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/pakistan.usa

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Chris, Kewanee IL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:00:02 GMT

Reading this story made me want to vomit. It's hard to believe something like this happens in our "modern" world. The question remains, what can we do about it?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mickey, Phila PA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:06:07 GMT

What a sad and frightening commentary in that a society can be so repressed as to condone the killing of children and yet be advanced enough to have nuclear weapons.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Exeder — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:06:23 GMT

And they call us barbarians? If this isn't reason enough to dismantle a government and a religious system I don't know what is. How could you even come to such a conclusion? It's beyond my understanding how family could so callously kill family. Do these people not understand the concept of love and respect?

They quite obviously don't understand the concept of honor, because this clearly is not it. Honor certainly isn't something so shallow and base as vanity and image. These are the immature actions of child-men whose arrogance superceeds all else.

I hope karma gives them what they deserve.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Concerned Citizen, Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:06:57 GMT

Hope to see education come to the masses of this region in order that a more informed public and government can see the error of this practice.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Lynda, Buffalo, NY — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:08:41 GMT

Thank God I was not born in Pakistan. Words cannot describe the horror and disgust I feel for such barbarism.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Sailor, Nashville, TN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:08:52 GMT

This is another example of rational people from the west trying to deal with irrational people living in the 7th century.
They will not change and do not care what the western version of right and wrong is.
When you deal with animals you get bitten and thats the bottom line.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Shane H., San Diego CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:09 GMT

This story turns my stomach... I know it's hard to effect meaningful change in a culture that has such deeply ingrained customs, but the Pakistani government needs to do SOMETHING to step in and put a stop to these kinds of barbaric acts, especially if they want to continue to play on the world stage. Everyone is so busy vilifying China (and in most cases, rightfully so) but some attention needs to be put on this and pressure from Washington wouldn't hurt.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mohammad, New Orleans, La — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:10:54 GMT

Ok, I am a Muslim and these acts do not represent Islam at all. These tribes that commit these horrific acts are all uneducated sheppards and have no sense of rational thinking. Once again, these acts are not condoned by the Islamic religion.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Timm C, Forsyth, GA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:49 GMT

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Caleb Joles, Saginaw, Michigan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:16:57 GMT

These are clear violations of human rites laws and are in fact crimes just as disturbing and sick as those committed by the Nazis in concentration camps. So I believe the world community should take strong actions towards governments that support or do little to stop crimes such as these that are committed in their borders. The barbaric customs of their past should not be a shield against punishment for these crimes committed to protect so called family honor.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Cole Westwood, Livonia, Michigan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:18:10 GMT

Readers should understand that these "honor" killings are also taking place in Great Britain and the United States. In order to remain politically correct, the media often leaves the Muslm connection out of the reports of missing or murdered young women who have disgraced their families. When will we wake up to the fact that Islam's unofficial MFR (Most Favored Religion) status in the west is not multiculturalism at its best. It is a recipe for societal suicide.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mclean, Caribbean — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:20:01 GMT

I am appalled and shocked, human being can still carry such gruesome act in the name of their religion. Such hypocrisy. How come they are consumed in the "material" world and still practise the deep traditions.
God have mercy on them!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

women who will gladly shove those losers in a hole — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:30:14 GMT

I think these men deserve the same fate. How barbaric, I think the government of Pakistan should hunt these cowards down, and dig a hole to bury them alive!! eye for an eye. and do it so ALL those men (?)in Pakistan KNOW that this kind of horror is not going to be tolerated. My lord, those countries are just pathetic!! How barbaric, just a bunch of insecure men. Blow them off the map!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

rosita narine, NYC. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:32:35 GMT

For God's sake, this is the 21st century, what is the Govt of Pakistan doing to eradicate this so called honor killing? Stringent measures must be taken to prevent other monstrosities from happening again. Alas the ruling elite has power and is arrogant. It's hard to imagine that the Patriarchal society is very much alive and well in this muslim nation. Shame, shame. Human Rights Commision should look into this and all parties should be held accountable.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

L.V. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:36:00 GMT

The women in these backwards places need to get the heck out by any means possible! Those men need to be de-capitated and gang-banged by a bunch of strong women! There needs to be a complete overthrow of this horrific system of a male's "right" to murder a female family member. Until these gutless males are physically overpowered and punished, this custom will continue!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Margaret NY — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:38:12 GMT

Actually the US is pretty good at coming down hard on honor killings, as is the UK and Canada, however, in Europe especially Germany(which has a large Muslim population) the government seems to take a hands off attitude. Let me ask all the men on this page, could you in all honesty murder your own daughter. I thought not, these are our allies, our lot is tied to them What can we honestly due to bring people like this into the 21st century. Please how about we just hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden and get the hell out of this hell hole.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

M S — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:34 GMT

I know that once again everyone will try to blame Islam, that how backward religion it is. Infact all these traditions are not just against the the religion but infact the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) came to abolish these Arab traditions. Evident from these three fact clearly written in Koran:
(1)Islam give women to chose their husbands. (2)Colors are tribes in human race are only so that they can recognize each other and none superior or inferior to each other and (3) Killing an innocent (muslim or non-muslim) is equivalant to killing the humanity.
We have to realize that these people never had any education. They are miles away from any religion. More than 60% cannot write their own names in their own language. They are the vitim of the fudal system thank to the lagacy of British and now their successors. They do not need bombs and F-16s they need schools and hospitals. I wish our Government can understand that.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Doe, Gainesville, FL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 GMT

I think this story is unacceptable. But, you have to remember that they do not have the same type of justice system as we do in the USA. I think the UN and World Justice System should step in, but I agree that we should fix our own "honor killings" in the USA before we try and interfer in another country. They don't have our views and they don't care. They do things their way just like we do things our way. We can't make them be like us, they don't think it's wrong. Cultures are different, that doesn't make them right, but we can't compare our culture to theirs. It's comparing oranges and apples. Sorry, but it's true.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Beth, Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:42:07 GMT

Centuries old traditions my foot. These men are cowards. They have no ability to actually care about their daughters, no way to really be emotionally involved with them. They are barbarians who only consider their women to be chattel and how dare they say 'No' to the men. This is a crime against women, and a crime against God. God gave them life, souls, and only God has the right to take those lives. These men in this village are no better than the medival men who considered women to have no souls, and thought they were animals. Anyone who upholds these 'traditions' are no better than the murderers themselves. I hope they are brought to justice. I wouldn't want to be them when their final judgement day comes.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Tere, Miami, Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:45:19 GMT

That is why America is what it is, A Bless Country by God. This should not go unpunished. I hope the Asian Human Rights can do something to set an example. These poor girl only wanted to get married and live happily ever after. What they did is barbarian,done and allowed by their own family members. These poor souls don't know who God is or what he stands for. These humans don't know what love is. God represents love, compassion, understanding and tolerate each other, "not these atrocities". God Bless America, in the name of his son, Jesus Crist Amen.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

fran,trenton, nj — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:46:14 GMT

More women commit suicides in these regions than anywhere else in the world. Thank God I live in the US

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

stephanie — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:50:41 GMT

Wow, Mr. Daniel from Chicago - clearly you were raised in a dusty tent somewhere, too, didn't you? Perhaps we should start bringing more "honor" killings to the US, so we can avoid the horror of having to deal with these culture destroying pop starlets! I worry for any female in your vacinity.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Gary Ackerman, Ocala, Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:46:55 GMT

These "Honor Killings" are actually murder. There is no religion involved here, just a bunch of very backward tribal groups. Although we have seen and heard of these "Honor Killings" in America and in other Democracies around the World. Who ever the parties are that commit these crimes are caught, punishment must be immediate and most severe. I believe it was just a short time ago that one of the Pakistan or Afghanistan Legislators actually stood up in the House of Parliment and tried to defend these actions. Of course we can all sit quite comfortably here in our protected environment and make posts to different Blogs about our umbrage at these actions. Loks great, and the outrage expressed is very vehement in the Sincere disgust about such practices. Only when we collectively understand that, there is little we can do about it, will we then try to find other venues where actions can be made that could be constructive. Maybe some old time Frontier Justice would be just the ticket. I'm sure there are probably some groups that are not well known that are trying to make a difference. Lets try to locate those Groups and see what we can do to help.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Marc Paramus NJ — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:00 GMT

This MUST STOP NOW!This is a direct violation of HUMAN RIGHTS.No one have a right to kill.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

jwp — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:18 GMT

many years ago i dated a beutifull pakistan girl-HOT-
the minute her parents found out they beat her and sent her back to pakastan.i often wonder if she lived and what kind of life she woud have had here as to there.i oray she got away before the same happened to her.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

PED — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:35 GMT

OK.. and you say there is a "JUST GOD". this sure proved it......

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

bryce, cincinnati ohio — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:47 GMT

This is murder, but beware christians! This behavior is typical of old/new testament followers, and the Koran isnt much different from the old/new testament or torah. So the next time some fundamentalist christian says the bible is the word of god to be followed literally - BE VERY AFRAID!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

canada — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:49:04 GMT

I don`t understand how the woman havent revolted againsed the men- create a union take the children and leave all the men- lets see how they do without woman cause we do all the real work!!!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Hilda, Montreal — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:49:40 GMT

We're fools in the West to think that by forming alliances with these countries we're making a dent in their psyche - females are only chattels and have no rights. What's worse is they attempt to practise their form of justice when they emigrate to the West -just recently a Pakistani in Toronto killed his 16 year old daughter for not wearing the hijab!

So much for the rights of the individuals and tolerance in a multicultural society in Canada.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jess Trowbridge Gainesville, Texas — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:49:56 GMT

This entire story is evidence to the fact civilization is not as evolved as we would like to think. It makes real the pettiness of people of the United States parsing our leaders words to advance the political agenda of the hour. Honor, Duty, Country is the meaning of our freedom. The men that perpetrated this crime against humanity will be dealt with.

Texas Vet

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

CJ, Chicago, IL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:49:58 GMT

OK...and what about the males who cheat? Who 'dishonor' the family? There has been only ONE man walk on water. When did these "men" feel they can do the same thing? We are ALL made in the image and likenss of GOD, and that includes females....

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

denny,vancouver,wa — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:50:05 GMT

these "men" are a bunch of goat-lovers who are afraid of the power of female sexuality.
ever since men discovered their role in the procreative process,the goddess and females in general have been on the run.
our christian civilization in Europe and America engaged in "honor killings" of women who they deemed as witches who were actually herbal healers and midwives-by the thousands.
also,our State allows abortion,so we don't have too much room to preach.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Has, Dearborn Michigan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:50:06 GMT

First Ladies and Gents. Let's not make the mistake of judgment here. They are not following any Islamic law to commit such heinous acts. If you read into the article, these are traditions that these tribes hold. Islam does not allow such an act to be commited. I hate when people get the misconception that Islam is so barbaric. I don't know that there is much that can be done. It is an outrage, but what can we do to eliminate these killings? First of all the men should have some compasion to love their daughters and to teach them if they do not agree with what their daughters have done. Any A$$ can punish, It takes a true man to be a good father.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

JR USA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:52:12 GMT

Heartbreaking, May those women rest in peace.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Denise Brock, Chattanooga TN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:52:22 GMT

Of course I am horrified at this... being raised by a divorced, christian mother who never needed a man to complete her I cannot fathom not having the freedom to choose any aspect of my life. It's disgusting what is allowed in this world. Hey Dubya have you forgotten you have two daughters too????

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

women who would gladly throw those men (?) in a hole — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:52:24 GMT

Mr (?) Daniel from Chicago, what do Britney, etal have to do with ANY of this? How do you even begin to compare a silly hollywood life to the horrors those women in Pakistan deal with? Your comment makes no sence, and is almost incredibly uncaring and totally uneducated of the women/people in the third world countries and what they endure. Sir, you really need to THINK about the story you just read. It is horrendous. Those little starlets have NOTHING to do with this, just not even remoteley. Use your brain, THINK, those cowardly men in Pakistan are monsters, they are the lowest form of humanity on earth.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Karen Philippi, Casper, WY — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:52:37 GMT

I can't fathom living like that We are so blessed to live in the USA. Everyone should have the the right to choose their mate. They treat the women like animals where they have no choice who they bred with. Maybe one day things will change but not in my lifetime.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

T Nichols — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:52:53 GMT

I commend you for placing this on a very mainstream site. I have known about honor killings for quite some time but this issue has not been given the coverage it deserves. I actually had a man doubt me when I spoke of this unacceptable "tradition". The more the world knows about these shameful acts, by fathers often, the sooner we can put an end to the ownership of our sisters worldwide.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jeremy, Miami, FL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:53:07 GMT

The laws should be enforced. The feudal landlords and tribal elders should themselves be put to death for this crime. After a few examples are made, the practice will become less popular, I assure you.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dawn WPB Fl — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:53:09 GMT

There are honor killings going on all over the world. It is a barbaric practice and the US should place restrictions upon any country that practices them.
But the fact that it happens here in the US is what happens when we allow anyone to come to our country, bring their culture, language, and we are required to conform to them instead of them respecting our culture and laws.
The proof is in how many cities across the US do you have to speak a language besides English to buy a cup of coffee? How many cities are there across the US where you see other countries flags flying, but NO US FLAGS?
I'm not saying that they should abandon their culture and belief system, but they should be held to US LAW. The language is English, the flag is the US Flag, and religious freedom is second to laws against murder, rape, pedophilia, and crimes against animals.
We had a 14 year old illegal murder her own 3 hr old baby. The ACLU fought to protect her because she didn't understand the laws in the US. THIS is what the US is fighting to protect and allowing to invade our country.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Brian Johnson — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:53:27 GMT

Islam this is not, this is ignorance and culture/tradition ruling how they live. The Qu'ran is very clear on the role and equality of women in the world, and her choice to marry whom she pleases, and in no place in the Qu'ran is "honor killing" endorsed. Of course people, especially the US media, twist what's religion and what's culture or tradition. Like Osama Bin Laden, and the rest of these clowns "honor killing" in the name Islam, may Allah have a special place in the incinerator.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Sarah Morrows — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:53:28 GMT

Even though this is pretty sick, it does not represent all of the men in Pakistan. I bet there are many decent people who live there who are just as horrified at this news as we are. But unfortunately there are morons in every religion/country/race who who drag everyone else down.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dallas Texas — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:53:49 GMT

This is no worse then kids killing their own parents in America.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

piglizard — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:56:59 GMT

Mickey of Chicago. Kudos, you've said it all. I, too, wonder how we can be so tecnologiaclly advanced a continue to treat our fellow humans in the gross, indecent manner in which we do.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Stacey, Cleveland Ohio — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:57:00 GMT

The girls knew the rules of their society. That being said....The story sickend me. However dont blame this tradition on Islam. Our society calls our honor killings domestic violence. Violence against women and children know no religious nor national boundries. The idea that the strong has the right to brutalize the weak has to end!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Susan, RI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:57:35 GMT

Women are dealt with injustice everyday in every country, even this one! Ever hear of OJ Simpson? We will never solve the problems of this world because men (and women) can't do it! Centuries have proven it.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Shevak, Ohio — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:57:41 GMT

For W. Harstad:
Give me one good example of an "honor killing" in the US by supposed "Christians" that wasn't treated as a heinous crime and condemned by everyone. Do not try to justify this barbaric act by claiming everyone does it. No Christian worthy of the title would ever participate in such depravity. Your cultural norming is nauseating.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

patrick mahase, trinidad,west indies. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:57:56 GMT

murder, murder ,murder in the 21 century.it must be stopped.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Billy G., Oak Brook, IL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:58:00 GMT

These people are tribal savages and that is the way we should treat them. Obviously, Pakistan is still a backward, third-world country. And to think that Pakistan has nuclear weapons! I suppose we should be happy that they are still on our side.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

frodoasy — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:58:03 GMT

God has nothing to do with it. Bottom line is women are viewed as property. Marriage traditionally has never been about love and affection; it's about the transference of wealth. These wealthy land owners/tribal leaders were simply protecting their money. Bear in mind that in many cultures around the world, daughters and wives can not inherited estates, but sons, brothers, uncles and son-in-laws can. If these young women were to have married the undesirable under classed men form a different tribe, those young men would have been able to lay claim to the father's land and fortune. Religion and tradition is just a convenient cover and justification for wanting to control money and power.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

StaceyO, Baltimore, Maryland — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:58:28 GMT

This doesn't suprise me. This goes on all around the world. What about these fathers who stand out in the streets of Taiwan and sell their daughters for sex to child molesters? This is a cruel world we live in if you are a woman, child, or animal. It's amazing we can spend billions of dollars on a war but we can't help these people. I pray every night for peace and I hope each of you reading this does the same.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ann Panama City, Fl — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:00:40 GMT

All I have to say is that the men or women that do such horrific crimes will pay one day when they answer to the Lord.

God Bless America!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Nicole — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:01:03 GMT

While I, as a woman raised in America, find these acts abhorent, to reduce the perpetrators to the level of animals or suggest they are completely incapable of human sentiment only perpetuates the cycle of violence in which the human race as a whole is mired. Where is the logic in sending in troops and tanks to avenge these women? So that the whole world can be blind? These men were upholding their concept of right. There should be justice, yes, but at what cost?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Meg Ontario Canada — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:01:04 GMT

I have just read this article - what a tragedy for these young women - these people live by control and to produce fear into others who do not abide by their wishes - Unfortunately until all levels of govenment, and religious leaders in Pakitstan start to educate all of the people that this is not acceptable it will continue - Something must be done now. Shame on them.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ze, Quincy, MA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:01:24 GMT

This is terrible, but I don't think people understnad that such "honor killings" occur in tribal areas, not the metropolitan areas of the country. We also have to consider under which state of development the country is in as well.
I am in no way supporting or condoning this brutality, but the US being such a well develop and forward country exhibits such atrocities as well.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

keith - Atlanta GA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:01:36 GMT

Let's not come down too hard on mr daniel from chicago...after all he's obviously only 10 years old because only an infant juvenile would make jokes about a subject as horrific as this.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Freda, Kansas City — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:43 GMT

W. Harstad et. al. could you please provide an example of these American Christian honor killings you speak of? Because I'm drawing a blank here...
Do you mean guy kills girl for cheating on him? Because that is in no way an honor killing, that is a jealous crime of passion and not condoned by anyone.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

lisa, Lansing, MI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:50 GMT

In response to W. Harstad's comment "Its funny how we seem to always put this stuff in the news as something new to read about. We have "honor" killings in the U.S. on a daily basis done by boyfriends and husbands that are Americans and usually of the Christian faith"

In the US, you are talking about a few nut jobs that are rightly charged with criminal acts, not a society with a deeply engrained belief system that is generally accepted by that society. This is a societal tradition that needs to be condemned by the entire world.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

John Doe — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:02:53 GMT

It's we ( US)helped this countries with monetary support under the name of "War on Terror" now we will help them again in the name of " War on Honor Killing"

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

SM, Dallas, GA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:03:07 GMT

As a Muslim this is something which is against their religion to kill innocent children and people. Those men need to be shot dead in their head for doing that to these girls. Some of these tribal Pakistani people are very illiterate and ignorant. I hope God takes care of those evil doers especially in the month of Ramadan.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jenna.T — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:03:15 GMT

I can so see why everybody is like whoa this is way wrong because it is adn i totally agree
but when something like this has been done for hundreds of years
its not wrong to them...
chill

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

rebecca, butler pa — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:03:22 GMT

As disturbing as these honor killings are, we need to take a second and realize that it is THEIR CULTURE and BELIEF SYSTEM!! We may not agree with it, but it is what it is. Our government would prosecute these men, but Pakistan is NOT our government. People say that it is a human rights violation, but that is OUR CULTURE and BELIEF SYSTEM. I don't agree with it, but we need to let them live the way they want to live. By trying to push our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world, we have upset A LOT of people and cultures. The best thing to do is let THEM handle it, and take care of the issues we face in America today.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

B.M.C. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:04:46 GMT

What someone needs to do is step up to bat and figure a way to get these women out of there. We can give our opinions and type in the box what we feel and what we thing and thats well and good but what we need to do is get them out of there. Can I expect the United States Government to help me with this, no, and I work for the DOD. We need to start a fund, we need to make plans, we need to help. WE NEED TO HELP. All we have is each other guys, we can do this and help them or we can talk about this. Its your call.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mary — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:05:03 GMT

While I was in high school in suburban Dallas, the father of 2 class mates carried out one of these "honor killings" instead of allowing a divorce. He burned his wife alive in her bed. That is why it is important for something to be done to stop this. These men can not expect to get away with murder anywhere they go. Their tribal laws do not apply in modern society.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mike — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:06:14 GMT

I will agree with you all I feel this outright murder is horrible, but thats my opinion based on our social way of life. We have no place to say this MUST STOP! and get all up in arms about it. This is these peoples way of life, their customs, their tradition and just becuase your social opinion differs gives you no warrant to tell them differently. AMERICA! Stop trying to impose you opinions on the rest of the world, seems we're in enough trouble as it is because of that mentality.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Asma — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:07:02 GMT

I went through most of the comments and just wanted to clear up one thing that religion 'Islam' has nothing to do with honor killings. Its more of a tribal and cultural issue which has nothing to do with Islam. I was born,raised and educated in Pakistan and made all kinds of decisions from getting an education to whome I will marry by myself.Those areas of Pakistan still have their tribal rules and they go by that no matter what and women are supressed in those areas due to lack of education. What government of Pakistan should do is to build schools in those areas to educated both men and women to eliminate their strick tribal rules.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Shevak, Ohio — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:07:46 GMT

For Dallas in Texas,

Are you making a bad joke? This is nothing like kids killing their parents. Kids killing parents is not a cultural practice considered acceptable by anyone--it is murder, pure and simple. This practice of "honor-killing" is considered just fine and dandy by way too many people in this world who quite mistakenly believe they are civilized.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Brenda, Orlando, FL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:07:50 GMT

We need to stop sending money to these countries until this treatment stops. When they have members of their government who defend these actions, these killings will continue. So our government needs to take a stand and say "No more." Dollar signs work the best.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Schaxeb, Las Vegas, NV — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:08:28 GMT

Fran from Trenton, NJ... You don't have anything to back what you said. Please do not make assumptions. As far as the killings go, they are not "religious" or "Islamic" traditions; they are more "cultural" and "tribal". The Pakistani Government, especially that of the Balochistan province is full of people who support such barbaric acts. But don't forget this; the people who voted them into office are the same people who commit these crimes. The Federal Government does pass laws, but they are hard to implement in remote areas such as these, where government officials themselves have supported such acts. Most Pakistanis do condemn these acts; its the tribes in the western parts of the country that are all-powerful, and too moronic to accept this as a crime. I hate to say this, but the Afghani influence along those parts does not help either.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mike, Va — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:08:37 GMT

The fact that something is a centuries old tradition can not be defended, especially by anyone in the government.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Nathan, Nashville — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:08:50 GMT

The UN is worthless or else things like this would not happen in what are actually relatively civilized nations like Pakistan.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Richard Asaba — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:09:48 GMT

This shows that violence against women and girls is deeply rooted in traditions and customs, which, unfortunately are difficult to change. the world needs to wake up and condemn inhuman acts like these.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

JD — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:10:31 GMT

I agree that we are blessed to live in the Us. I recently travelled to Egypt as a single female. I can't believe how little respect I had there and basically at the end of the trip felt no more worth than a traded camel. I can't imagine how it must be to be in Pakistan. God bless those poor girls.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Michael G. Strother — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:10:47 GMT

Is the US any better when it has allowed the MURDER of innocent babies through so-called legal abortion? Should the US condemn others when it to needs to repent also? We all need to repent and accept the gift that GOD offered in JESUS!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Chris, Kansas City, MO — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:12:14 GMT

I just hate it when people misrepresent "Culture" as an excuse for murder. It is more like a "Cult" to me. Even tigers don't kill their cubs. These people are worse than animals.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dan, traverse city, Mi — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:12:54 GMT

It is hard for me to understand such abhorrent behavior. Killing is bad enough,, but killing family??!! Perhaps this is a good time to call to mind our own apathy of americans killing family members in the horror that is abortion.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

kristen — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:13:35 GMT

do you all forget that not so very long ago in our own country a man had the legal right to beat his wife and children if they disobeyed him? you talk about barbarity, and it is, but it does still go on in the usa. you may also want to remember that this is the type of atrocity that our troups are fighting to end in the middle east, so vote wisely.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Joe AfroBoat, Providence, Rhode Island — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:13:35 GMT

This act is outrageous. I cannot believe a human being and a family member will do this to one another. The Moslem religion and its people are still rooted in the 5th Century ideology. Saudi Arabia treats women like garbage in the name of Islam. This distortion of religion is a mockery to American ideas. The so called nuclear Pakistan should condemn this stupid "honor killing." The perprators of these murders should be punished ASAP.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ray, Vancouver BC — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:13:53 GMT

It looks barbaric but I'm also wondering about werstern woman's right to abort a child that she thinks would damage her life mentaly or physically. Its the same old fanatic mentality to burry a woman alive, or pay a woman less sallary than man, or stop stem cell research. I suggest in a whole world supported action Pakistani army to go after those relatives catch the rats and bring them to justice in civilized world and gain more support among the world, and its own nation.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

safana raja — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:14:01 GMT

well im a pakistani and we elected our prime minister benazir bhutto twice,we r all proud pakistanis and she said that theres no place in the world where woman are more respected than pakistan,i wish i could take the bullet which took her life.honor killings are something which 99% of our countrymen oppose.its a bunch of native polygamy oriented imperialistic tribal section of the society which carried out this deplorable act,im ashamed they are citizens of my country and they should be send to the international court of human rights for justice to prevail.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

C.B. land of the free...haha — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:14:08 GMT

Don't be a bit surprised if this is your own US government making up such stories to "fool" you into believing that this took place...at the same time we are dangerously close to going to war with Pakistan. (just like we were told that there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq). We are constantly fed/told these type of lies to make us hate these other nations enough to wage wars, started under false pretences. Please understand the evil in your own country first people.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dan Pilon Waukesha, WI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:14:29 GMT

With our own support of killing children in this country, it is hard to be outraged when we see other countries doing this to children that have escaped the womb. Do we not grant them choice? It seems so important to us here. China kills children by secular law. Pakistan kills them by religious tradition. The US kills them by choice. Explain to me the difference in any of this?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

SM, the city of Angels, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:14:45 GMT

we must overthrow regimes like this around the world that defy common sense and the will to advance humanity and our right to co-exist peacefully. Then, we must fund education and health programs for these poor ignorant human beings. These women must have tasted the idea of freedom only to be torn down by the greedy ideals of their brethren. As the more aware , more tolerating, and less ignorant western societies, we have a responsibility to assist in the advancement of these human brothers and sisters of ours. Otherwise, we should step aside and stay out of their way completely. Don't show someone their potential and then turn your back on them. Also, don't judge people without due process. Ignorance is ever so rampant.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Elliot, Mount Clemens, MI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:15:03 GMT

This is what people do with free will. It is interesting how an example of ignorance and brutality abroad brings out ignorant stereotypes and religious prejudice here at home.
But I agree with most of us here that this kind of human rights abuse abroad is intolerable and the world community should play a more active role in pressuring governments to deal with these sorts of things. (My first reaction to reading this article was to want to hang the villiage elders, too.)

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

mike&sueann bevill — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:16:57 GMT

Those family members should facc the same fath as those poor girls

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Russ, Gaithersburg, Maryland — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:17:01 GMT

It is an unbelievably heartbreaking story that just tearing me apart. I don’t those children, but I feel as if I am some how connected to them. I do not even think a heinous creature would do such a thing. Those people who buried those children are worse than heinous animal. They are even worse than pigs (by the way, pigs are considered as God’s worse creation according to Muslin Holy book Koran.)

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Diane Fairfax Watt — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:17:32 GMT

They did it because they could. If the men here could get away with it they'd do it too, but thank god women here have gained some political power.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

ma — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:17:33 GMT

If the Us could do more in helping thes country provide Education,And manadate that the money sent is used for Education things may be different.In addition when the Us subtly pressurises these countries and continues to look the otherway when outstanding cases agoinst a percieveed Ally are dismissed without due process ,to bring him to power,these things will continue.Illeteracy is a religion in itself.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

james orlando — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:17:33 GMT

hello,it's 9-12-08 remember yesterday...were dealing with stone age mentality,goat herders,tribal,radical fundamentilist,living in caves. tradition for hundreds of years. don't see any changes soon

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

GLEN GOLD DURHAM, NC — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:17:42 GMT

5000 years from now this same "tribe" will still
be sitting in the fields hacking heads off and
killing people!
Hmm,
These are the Cavemen!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

cjt — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:14 GMT

Ironic that they've just installed a shari' court in Lestishire England to solve civil disputes...is this a civil or criminal case in the eyes of that court? and what would be the courts punishment that would be appropriate to the masses?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

charles floyd, charleston, sc — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:18 GMT

how do you or any other country expect to stop this madness? it is impossible. the usa is not the world's policeman. get back to where we can control our land. leave them alone, maybe one day the yoounger generation will finally stop that incredible behavior over there.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jimmy Rein — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:39 GMT

And this country has nuclear weapons

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

cubby — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:58 GMT

I know we all think this is a horrible thing to happen. What I would really like to know is if there is anything we can do to prevent it from happening again.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Shipmate, Oceanside, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:24:17 GMT

The United States of America also dictates who can marry and who cannot. When will the Christian conservatives lighten up on same sex marriage? Religious fanantics exist everywhere in this world!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Joe Stodgy Buffalo, NY — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:24:31 GMT

I think its arrogant that the US feels that advances in civilization should occur at the same pace in all parts of the world, regardless of established societal traditions, economics, religion, etc.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

fs, chicago — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:24:55 GMT

I feels ashamed to proclaim myself as a Pakistani male. I offer no reasoning for such behaviour. These barbarians need to prosecuted. The reasons they will not be is because these people are the government!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

David Trabue, SF Bay Area, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:03 GMT

Anyone, Muslim, Christian, Jew or otherwise, who actively engages in attempting to force their interpretation of their version of any god and his/her laws on others through violent coercion is a danger to the world and should rightly be exterminated.

Ms. Akbert's above analogy to our lack of "toleration" in the South African apartheid situation was well on point. We should not tolerate, in the name of "cultural freedom" or any other guise, such true barbarism and stone age behavior.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ita, Lagos — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:26 GMT

If this story is true, definitely these people are not Muslim. These are practices that Islam preached against and corrected in the pre-Islamic era - The strong are to protect and defend the weak not oppress them. The International community should bring pressure on the Government of Pakistan to stop these practices. It is evil in extreme form

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

lewis mccrain, Asheville, NC — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:30 GMT

A common thread runs through all of these comments. The fact is most of the ills of the world can be traced to a lack of education. Islam does not condone these atrocities any more than Christianity. Most of the people that follow Islam cannot read and follow what their religious leaders tell them.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Rachel, Rochester, NH — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:38 GMT

Denny, you're right, the United States allows the murder of innocent unborn children, so who are we to preach to the Pakistanis about murdering women? The only difference is size...

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Unbelievable — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:47:08 GMT

This is just an abomination. All of these males starting with the taxi driver shall be in turn buried alive. How could a father be so cruel. The women must ban together and eradiate this practice

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Sarah, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:49:07 GMT

To say that I am appauled is putting it mildly. It is inconceivable that we still live in a world where such barbaric rituals still take place. I have no interest in the argument that this is an ancient tradition, some traditions/rituals are better left by the wasteside. Justice is owed to those women. What kind of world is this where people are punished for trying to lead an honest and happy life???? disgusting

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Harold Larson, Baltimore — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:49:15 GMT

Honor killings are practiced and acceptable in Islamic cultures and not confined to isolated tribal areas. According to the Koran it is acceptable to kill someone who blasphemes Allah. That can include a number of offenses including someone who by birth is a Muslim but later in life embraces a different religion or no religion. Anything that would bring shame to the family name permit drastic action.Sharia Law codifies this in Islamic cultures.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

James Jones, Tampa, Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:49:49 GMT

Guys common, this is a case of typical murder that happens in all countries and we are making like it was a country size. What about our American Country, we DO kill thousands of childrend every year in was for money in a SYTEMATIC way.... Maybe we just want to feel good about ourself...Remember that we killed 90 women and children in a raid in afganistan..

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Bob jacksonville — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:52:10 GMT

Even the animal kingdom has a greater love of family than these? I don't know what to label them as, but they are certainly lower on the food chain

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

v, ny, ny — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:52:12 GMT

If these people cannot discriminate against killing thier own children do you think they can be discrimate in using nuclear weapons?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Michael, Dallas, Tx. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:52:56 GMT

Do you think any of these barbarians have any remorse killing our children when their own are expendable ?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Some in U.S are just as Guilty — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:53:04 GMT

Children are killed in the United States daily and not given any rights, whether they are boys or girls. The disgusting thing is we call it choice, instead of murder, and a fetus instead of a human. It is just as sickening as the "traditions" in this article, but cloaked as "choice" we think we can get away with it. Every little girl that is aborted certainly doesn't get her women's rights; same with the boys anf their rights!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Kevin Ehrhart, Los Angeles, California — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:53:24 GMT

How very sad that a father can go through life and miss out on such a wonderful experience as loving his daughter more than himself. It is this lack of love in him that allows this horror to rise from him.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

fredrick parsons kountze tx. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:13 GMT

reminds me of the Salem witch trials hanging and burning at the sta
ke freddy p

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Michael P; Mulvey — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:13 GMT

Hopefully censors will let this be said, The murders of these women is bad enough, what about all the herion shipments being guarded by US?? It's so cheep, and so much of it everywhere, thanks to our involment...

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

No one special — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:16 GMT

It was wrong during slavery in the US when slave owners would beat the heck out of slaves whom they thought were insubordinate, and it's wrong now. Same tactics, kill a few to keep contol of the majority. Break a man's spirit and he has nothing left. In slavery, make the punishment so severe until the others will be scared into sujection. And most importantly, don't , by any means, allow them to become educated. Fortunately, as Ms. Angelou put it, "Still I Rise." Education is key.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

steve morale — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:37 GMT

I thought islam is a great and loving religion, and these people that are doing these crimes are practising muslims. I want to know if the imams in that area of the world approve these heartless evil tradition. I dont want to hear that this things have nothing to do with religion, because these people are all muslims and we never heard any complain from any religious leaders in their town , they must have suported this evil act.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Carole Clarke College Park, MD — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:38 GMT

This kind of brutality has been going on for thousands of years and is a product of tribalism isolated from being educated. Only regular exposure to a more generally civilzed behavior will give the whole tribe the courage to advance its thinking. They do not trust the future to ensure their survival. Even now those isolated tribes know they cannot trust the mainstream to guarantee their food source, incomes or opportunities so they revert to the old brutal methods of maintaining control. What they need are all-weather roads to link them to the mainstream areas, communication links, schools, hospitals and jobs. Its easy to criticize them from here, try living under their conditions.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Hussein Siddiqi — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:58:54 GMT

It's important to respect the fathers of that world. Western standards are good for Western part of the world, not elsewhere.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Bob, florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:59:00 GMT

Right, let's bring abortion into this!

When all the poor starving little children (that are viable outside the womb on their own)have enough food and shelter, are not abused and sold in slave rings and then also when crazy right-wingers allow REAL sex education to take place and not try to get condoms and the pill labeled as abortificants THEN and only then will I say, "Hey, maybe this country doensn't need safe and legal abortions unless in cases of rape and incest or when the mother's life is in danger."

Because if people are educated about safe sex--hey guess what?! They know how to prevent pregnancy and plan for a family when they're ready so abortions are not needed.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Leigh Ann Ray, Williamson, W.Va. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:59:06 GMT

Call it an "honor killing" or whatever you want. Murder is murder and the last time I checked, the Ten Commandments still stated, "Thou shalt not kill."

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Elvis V, Miami, FL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:59:39 GMT

According to many of you this horrendous crime has nothing to do with Islam but then Islamic religion does not condemn these crimes either. Be very aware of these savages, we have many of them living among us in our country. Shame on any man who abuses a woman!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Cindy B, San Francisco — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:59:41 GMT

This is horrifying in the deepest sense. I recently read 'Three Cups of Tea', a non-fiction book by Greg Mortenson, that provides incredible insight into this area of the world - and offers real help. I highly recommend it to anyone who is affected by this article.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Debbie, Boise, ID — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:59:46 GMT

Wake up CB land of the free....These horrible things do happen...some people continue to stick their head in the sand..Before laying anymore blame on this country put down the remote and do some research on your own regarding customs and tradition in these countries. You're privileged to live in this country...This article describes the murder of innocent women and children...all for nothing.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Nick Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:07:00 GMT

I can only imagine the terror these girls must be feeling when the dirt is being thrown on top of them. Knowing you will sufficate from dust and dirt is horrid. Think about what they were feeling as the breathed their final breath. This is a prime example of the evil that exists in the world. Schools not bombs.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jennifer Favia, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:07:16 GMT

I always find it disturbing to read comments about how things like this aren't condoned by Islam. While that may be true, they sure aren't condemned by Islam or Muslims in any meaningful way either. Sometimes saying nothing and doing nothing says a whole lot!

Radical illiterate Islam is evil. I'm not particularly religious and I don't pretend to know which if any of the world's religions God prefers. But my gut tells me it aint the one that allows men to take 4 wives and stone their daughters.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

James, Bluefield, VA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:07:49 GMT

The USA Christian right is headed in the same direction. They are beginning to preach the subservance of woman.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Brent, Richmond VA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:08:12 GMT

All US aid to Pakistan should be stopped immediately and permanently.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

J. Rats — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:09:47 GMT

Wow, And the world waits for something like this to happen so, we Americans can stick our nose into this and get ridiculed for policing the world. No, let's stand back and let the lunatics run the asylum. Attention World: The world does need rules to play by, and the U.N. isn't doing a good job. Rock -On U.S.A. !!!!!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Diana Tacey,Mesa Arizona — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:10:03 GMT

The Imams and educated community leaders in Peshawar, Islamabad, Kabul and Mecca need to get together and develop a plan and a program to make an official statement to their followers regarding the error of this as a religious policy and doctrine. In addition, the remote communities where this is taking place need to have ongoing education and training by the Imams and respected community leaders.

Until this is accomplished nothing will change. These deaths are laid at the feet of the religious leaders who are continuing to teach this as a religious doctrine or by saying nothing and allowing it to go unpunished.

Diana Tacey
ChildLight Foundation for Afghan Children
www.childlightfoundation.org

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

NJ to Miami — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:14 GMT

Women in Afghanistan cannot marry the person they love. Well, neither can Gay people in America. America is more civilized because murderers are punished, but we are not as "civilized" as you all say.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Marcy — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:34 GMT

I cannot imagine killing my own child for any reason what so ever. No matter the circumstance. How can these people justfy what they do, Then live with that the rest of their lives,They must be tortured souls. I think I would die if any thing happend to my child.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Sarah, NJ — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:37 GMT

I'm so happy to see this article on the top of a major new network's home page for all to see. It is about time that this issue got this type of coverage. It is a disgusting practice that is not unusual at all. It happens everyday all around the world, even in the US.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Randy Yamaura, Seattle, WA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:46 GMT

I condemn such actions and my personal opinion on the matter states that these Men should be buried alive for this crime. If they are so inclined to live by their "traditions" then let a court with some common sense deal out an "eye for an eye". That is, after all, their tradition. Also to the poster that talked about honor killings here in America. The one major difference is that here we recognize such killings as a crime against humanity, over there, it’s not a crime and they still consider such barbarism a tradition.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Suzana — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:31:27 GMT

I am not a Muslim, but I know everything about this religion, and it's not what this ignorant people from Pakistan, or other terrorists in the world wants us to believe. It is a very pacific religion. WE have to understand that is not the religion our enemy, but ignorance and poverty.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

s rose, milton, vt — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:31:54 GMT

If they had oil fields, the Bush admin would get involved. Traditions that cause human suffering should be exposed and dealt with no matter where they occur.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Michael Jozwiak — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:31:54 GMT

We need to protect God's most beautiful creatures. Women are the life source for all humanity. As an American and a Christian this is an absolute outrage. Others have been put on trial and hanged for such crimes. Change needs to come and hopefully will come soon.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Gisele, Seattle, WA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:31:54 GMT

This crime was committed according to tribal tradition; it had nothing to do with religion.
Since the beginning of time women have been treated as property and that practice continues in many areas of the world today. Roman law allowed the execution of female slaves and female infants born into slavery. Although some were kept to work in households or as sexual objects for their masters, the majority were considered to be of no useful purpose. This was not a religious belief, it was civil law.
While religion can be blamed for many, if not most, of the atrocities man commits against humanity, the truth is that these acts are committed by individuals who twist and warp the teachings of their faith to achieve their own self-serving goals. The core message of all faiths is one of peace and love towards our fellow man.
There are many organizations dedicated to stopping crimes against women and there are many things that we can do to bring these crimes to the forefront. While we may not see much change in our lifetimes, we can at least be a part of trying to implement change. As the site for the Campaign To Stop The Killing And Stoning of Women says, "The freedom of belief does not mean freedom to kill."

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

TV — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:38:26 GMT

AN EXAMPLE OF HOW RELIGION WORKS. IT RULED THE DARK AGES. LOGIC AND RATIONAL THINKING HAVE NO PLACE BECAUSE IT IS GOD'S WILL. WHAT DO YOU THINK SARAH PALIN???

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

K. Kolar, Chicago area, Illinois — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:38:30 GMT

At least these "men" have guaranteed themselves fewer male grandchildren to carry on their disgusting traditions. With any luck, they will bring about their entire tribe's extinction, and take these traditions with them.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Donna Bryan, Indianapolis, In — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:38:37 GMT

This is normal in this part of the world. These men hate women, that is why you see these "Honor Killings". Just like it is the womans fault of she is raped-rape is about power not sex. So this is also about power the women are property in this tribe and region. They can do what ever they want and get away from it. But God will punish them in death. Those ladies are in Heaven.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

lilly, CT — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:39:47 GMT

I do not understand why some people on here felt the need to compare this HORRIFIC event to abortions in the U.S. You are really going to sit here and tell me that the two situations are the same? That multiple childrens families beating and then burying them alive because they disobeyed them is the same as woman having the right to choose whether or not they want to continue with their pregnancy. Unless these woman are wating until they give birth and have their children grow up and develop bodies and minds of their own to end their lives, don't try to put America in the same boat...that is an insult to our country.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

pat belsole — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:43:00 GMT

When will the tragedy stop???? I'd like to know how our Presidential candidates would deal with this issue............God Bless those that died for what many of us take for granted!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Farrah from Pakistan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:52:58 GMT

"The core message of all faiths is one of peace and love towards our fellow man." NOT!!!
This statement above is to whitewash the evils of religion! The core message is subservience or unity with this "God" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) or universal spirit (Hinduism), which in turn leads to concentration of power to whoever has this quality.
Religion and rationale have been and always will be at a crossroad not intersecting. Almost all social and sceintific reform for the better has been acheived due to going against religion (womens' rights, freedom from slavery, the notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun, etc.) and not preserving backward cultures.
Another belief is that religions are pure and teach good but people twist them-an oxymoron!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dan, traverse city, Mi — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:02:49 GMT

Lily,

I feel compelled to compare this horrific event to abortion because they are both example of adults killing their offspring. I am sure that in general these people don't condone killing their kids unless there is some extenuating circumstance (albeit the ridiculous one that they have decreased the family honor). Here we don't generally kill unborn children unless there is some extenuating circumstance (again ridiculous ones)

I simply advocate having a single standard and not ever killing offspring here or there in the womb or of marrying age.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

K R Virginia — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:24 GMT

MS - Get your facts straight about the Q'uran (Koran) and Mohammed. He was not for peace at all. In fact his first act as a leader of Islam was to kill the men of the other tribes by slitting thier throats (the origin of this in Islam) and raping and enslaving thier women and children. The Q'uran says that a Muslims first duty when coming upon a non-Muslim is to first convert them to Islam, if that does not work, to then enslave them, and if that does not work to then kill them. I have read the Q'uran. Have you???

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

tinytammy, Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:29 GMT

Another thing..........those that are ignorantly supporting the rights of these tribesmen to their 'cultrual' norms. What exactly are you talking about? Slavery was a 'cultural norm' - do you/would you have defended that? In ancient Greece grown men would have sex with young boys, that was the cultural norm -you on board for that too? Today, in parts of Africa, in order to escape the risk of aids, grown men have sex with little children, 5, 6 years old - this a 'cultural norm', you think we should just leave be?

And one other, very important point, on this so-called 'cultural norm'. Remember, the girls in the taxi are people too, it is their society too, they make it up and their beliefs and wishes are part of it (or should we say SHOULD be part of it) since they too are members of that culture. It didn't sound like their dissention of the forced marriages, subseqent beating and live burial was part of any of their 'cultural norms'. Just because the men that run the country choose a particular practice to be a 'cultural norm', does not mean it is right or, more improtantly, the rest of the society, wants it that way.

Before you get all up in arms over 'allowing' them their 'cultural norms' maybe you should ask some of the citizens most likely to suffer from it, if it is their 'cultural norm'.

Oh yeah, you can't ask them how they feel about it or if it's their 'cultural norm' because THEY ARE DEAD.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Michael Stubbs — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:47 GMT

What about the men who rape women, girls and boys that go unpunished. I can't believe America goes to war over imagined WOMD and kills so many innocent people and then claims this country as allies. Are our leaders blessing this kind of outrage and saying it is right? Pretty soon they won't have any women left to create more monsters and that will be a blessing.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

M Sullivan, Selma, NC — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:09:17 GMT

These men should be beaten and executd the same way, an eye for an eye. i would like for H. Harstad to further explain his or her comment that: this happens daily in the U.S. mainly of boyfriends and husbands in the Christian faith. Please elaborate!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jaulin, NY — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:10:00 GMT

I wonder, what would have happened if those girls were able to married their boyfriends before the taxi driver informed the fathers/brother/etc. Would their fate would be the same ? Would the fathers/uncles/brothers still have right to do honor killings?

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ali, NJ — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:10:14 GMT

This is an horrific act done by illiterate people and it;s nothing to do with Islam or Teaching of Islam. These resembles to the acts of Kuffar and Peasants in the Arab world before Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon Him) came and irradicated all these customs. Islam give great value and respect to Women. All the Muslim world has condemed this act and all the acts against women that are done everywhere in the world.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Bob, Latham, New York — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:11:54 GMT

In todays modern world where we have strong knowledge of genetics why would you not want to marry outside of your tribe. I work with a woman who married her first cousin because he was a member of the same tribe and all of their kids were born with cleft lips. Not only that but they are all "slower" than the other kids in their respective grades.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

DH in Penna. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:11:57 GMT

One of the major problems is that these villagers truly believe they are acting properly in accordance with Islam law, even though the true essence of the Islam faith is anti-violence. I strongly feel it is time that followers of the Islam faith start to become more vocal and pro-active in stemming the tide of violence and terror that is being committed in their faith's name. They certainly aren't going to listen to Christians, Catholics, Jews, etc. as we and our "leniency" are in their minds the root of all problems.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jamie, San Dimas, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:12:00 GMT

Islam does NOT approve nor condone such hideous acts. Such negative (should say repulsive) behavior and others which might noe be even negative stem from the local/regional cultural practices of people.

in another word ... it would not be prudent to blame Jewdaism for atrocities commited by European Zoinists in the occupied country of Palastine.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

titus, L.A., CA. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:12:03 GMT

i wonder according to their "tradition", what does a man get when he chooses to marry someone of his own choice? I hope that he gets the same treatment like what the 3 girls got.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Byantha Paul, Evansville, IN — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:12:07 GMT

Just when you think women have come a long way we hear about something like this. I think these men have no honor at all. I think they need to be put to death themselves.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Juan Pèrez — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:14:09 GMT

Benazir Bhutto was the first woman to lead a Muslim nation: Pakistan.
This horrifyng crime we read about was done in a remote isolated region were indeed, barbaric ideas remain. But I don't think it is the fault of Islam in general. It has more to do with local conceptions.
Eventually the push of modern ideas will breach this wall of dogmatism. Pakistan needs so many changes, as much or even more than other third world countries.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

t sasser — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:14:53 GMT

How sad that the World has a country that is lacking
in knowledge of the value of a person's life.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

didi Salt Lake City — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:18:15 GMT

Should have read about all of the thrown acid on women as well- because a young man was turned down for marriage- the families lie in wait for the girl and throw acid on her. Or, the abusive husband. In Pakistan!

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

RedM3 — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:18:35 GMT

So Ali, you would say making women wear veils and walk a certain distance behing their men, preventing them from the same educational opportunities as men, and not allowing them to work is respectful to women? I do not condone the U.S. trying to shape the world but IMO muslim countries do not respect their women.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Farhan Bhatti, Lansing, MI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:19:19 GMT

This is repudiating. One of the first things that the Prophet Muhammad did at the beginning of his prophecy was to outlaw "honor killings" because tribes in Arabia prior to Islam engaged in this sort of behavior. These tribes in Pakistan are so far away from the teachings of Islam (or any religion, for that matter) that it makes my stomach hurt. They have guaranteed themselves a ticket to Hell.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Steve Chan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:20:18 GMT

The heading with "Men's World" in this story is another attempt by the media to demonize and bash men, to paint them with the same brush. It is an attempt to say that if men were in control, this is what happens. Please realize that before this age of "women power" when men use to dominate, the overwhelming majority of men in democratic countries have treated women with respect and dignity.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

MK, Worldwide — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:20:38 GMT

Over 1500 women per year are mudered in the US at the hands of a relative or husband boyfriend or "ex". Why are you all so concerned about sensationalized news reports from the third world when your own country is guilty of the same crime in far higher, and throughly documented numbers? America is great at finger pointing but not addressing its own issues.

Read all about it here at the Violence Policy Center: http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2007.pdf

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Gary, Garden City, MI — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:20:54 GMT

To Mohammad, New Orleans, La Your above message says this does not represent your religion and the Islam world does not live by this rule. My question is why are the people of your faith not helping and educating? Is it the arrogance or what? Big tough guys.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Steve — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:20:56 GMT

This is the kind of story that makes the uneducated in the United States think the rest of the world is insane. Absolutely, such an act is insane, but before people say "thank God I live in the United States" they need to remember people like David Koresh (responsible for the death of 74 people), the Zion Ranch (who continue to rape and manipulate over 400 children), and Theodore Kaczynski (who killed people using our own mail system). These are the stories people in other countries read and say, "thank God I don't live in the United States!" There are insane people everywhere in the world, and that certainly does not make this act okay in any shape or form, it's absolutely disgusting, but I do warn the readers to not be quick to judge an entire foreign country.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Azad, Jacksonville Florida — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:21:00 GMT

I am a muslim and people need to know that this has nothing to do with Islam. As a matter of fact, Islam banned and forbids such practice. This is a cultural practice, period. The people in those cultures need to be educated in order to abandon that mentality.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

CARLOS, VICTORVILLE, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:24:37 GMT

YOU KNOW THIS TO ME IS COMPLETELY EVIL BUT IN THEIR IGNORANT MINDS THEY ARE DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY TO CONTINUE THEIR WAY OF LIFE...I FEEL FOR THOSE YOUNG GIRLS AND MOTHERS AND PRAY THAT GOD OR FELLOW HUMANS WILL SHOW THESE PEOPLE A BETTER WAY AND THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Gus Flores, Mt Vernon, WA. — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:26:19 GMT

Its funny how we seem to always put this stuff in the news as something new to read about. We have
"honor" killings in the U.S. on a daily basis done by boyfriends and husbands that are Americans and usually of the Christian faith. I think we need to focus on our own problems before we can fix problems in other countries. W Harstad.

Wrong is wrong. In the United States, these boyfriends and husbands go to jail when convicted. There is an obvious difference here. Open your eyes.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Guy no very satisfied with the current events, Miami — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:38:10 GMT

It would be great if they would take the right initiative, dig a big hole and bury themselves in it. There is no place for animals like these in the 21rst century.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Aries, Mobile AL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:39:44 GMT

It seems that the same people commenting on horror of these acts are the same people who condemn our soldiers for being over there. Guess what, you can't have it both ways. Either you support America in policing the world, or you support each nation's right to sovereignty.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

LT — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:40:14 GMT

Someone earlier commented that the equivalent happens in the US between spouses or significant others. That person is forgetting that our officials do not defend our rights to kill each other. There is a potential for murder within us all; the tragedy here is is amplified by the cultural acceptance of these practices. Although; nearly as tragic is our American indifference; after reading this article how many will do anything about it.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

KDR, Taylor Tx — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:41:19 GMT

This just makes me so sad.
I can't wait to get out of work to go pick up my little girl from daycare & give her a big hug. Then go home & kiss my husband. Wow, shocking stories like this make me realize...we take so much for granted here.
God Bless the USA.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

George Williams, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:42:53 GMT

It all comes down to education: sad fact is, they don't know any differently. One of the great joys of liberating Afghanistan and Iraq was that we could introduce a modern education system: one that encouraged equality between men and women.

Remember how the Taliban treated women? If not, read up on it. The next time you complain about the U.S. being involved in the Middle East, just remember the Taliban.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

mac — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:43:24 GMT

"These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Israrullah Zehri.

Senator Zehri, you do not live centuries ago. You live NOW. Just because something has been done for a long time does not make it right. In the case of this tradition the amount of time time only makes it an ancient wrong.
The wrong way is still the wrong way. No matter how many generations have followed it.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Luis, Astoria, New York — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:43:37 GMT

Tirany is not imposed, It's Tolerated!!!!
the moment you say no more, the change will take place. There will a price to pay but, i's better than that.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Maureen Livermore Ca formerly UK — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:45:30 GMT

May these poor women rest in peace... I do not understand why the western world is so horrified. These men live in an atmosphere that is centuries old, and remain for the most part uneducated. Even when families from this part of the world come to live in the civilized west they find it very difficult to embrace freedom and try to recreate the life style they understamd. I am suprised that Sati (Suttee) is still practiced in the more remote regions where Hiduism is the major religion.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

susan soler — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:45:36 GMT

murder is murder no matter the country or belief wrong no matter what...

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Venessa-Denver, CO — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:46:06 GMT

It's sad, that "old values and traditions" can not be touched by a new century. Even if this investigation furthers, the men will always be protected by the riches of their families and will never be touched, but only commended. I wonder if any of the elder women that were killed, were the wives of any of the men, because being a daughter of one of them, certainly didn't prevent them from dying a horrible death.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Jennifer, Trenton, NJ — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:46:11 GMT

We, as Americans, should not get involved with this at all. If their cultural traditions permit these actions, then who are we to tell them that their culture is wrong? American women probably murder more babies at abortion clinics in one day than this entire culture kills in one year.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

I. Laszlo, Toronto, Canada — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:46:21 GMT

It is blatant murder and no one should be supporting this - I thought we were out of the dark ages - evidently we are not.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Always Faithful Marine, Hollywood, FL — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:09 GMT

It appalls me that so many educated people are unaware of these "tribal honor killings" a.k.a murder. I was born in a communist country near the middle east and came to the U.S. by the blessing of God. As a retired Marine with a handful of deployments I am shocked at the perception of the general public and of the idea that the rest of the world lives by American "standards". Such acts as described in the above article are common place in today's reality; just not in the U.S. - yet. Such is the world that we currently live in, and if we as a society and as Americans don't wake up and actually do something besides write comments to articles, then we are destined to doom our children and their children to a world damned by artocities. Who's responsible for blatant violations against humanity? In my opinion each and everyone of us has a part of the blame; not by our actions but by our lack of actions. We're too comfortable. Let's just stop complaining if we're not willing to do something against these sorry excuses for "civilized peoples".

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

J. E. Sahgutie, Nowhere Kentucky — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:16 GMT

What kind of parent punishes their child by death? It makes me sick that these girls' lives are cut short by the ignorance, arrogance, and self obsession of simple minded fools.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Muniza Zahid, karachi, pakistan — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:39 GMT

i am a pakistani woman.. i read each and every post on this blog ... wat happened to these women is deplorable ... let me make one thing clear what these men did was NOT islamic ... it was babaric ... what really feels worse is that no one cares here ... not a single person cares ...while its after our previous president that we have enogh freedom that such things are even reported or condemmed.. few years back no one would even speak of these things out of "shame". we as women in pakistan are still like cattle... may be a cattle has more respect ... those of you who think that the culprits will be caught and hanged might as well forget about it ... after a week every one will go about their business .... while in the villages it will be hailed as a great defence of 'honor'.... nothing will ever change here... for you all it may be shocking ... but for people like me ... there will be another story next week... and another after that .. what will remain the same however is men who will justify these actions without a bead of sweat on their forehead and proudly say "WE'D DO IT AGAIN!'

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

B. Cusio, Yanbu, Saudi Arabia — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:13:05 GMT

This barbarians days are numbered and will become extinct when science catch up with them. Women should advance the technology of concieving only non barbaric men or better only xx chromosomes

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Kevin P. Lincoln Park, Michigan — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:02 GMT

I think at the core of this story we see a society where men feel that they own women. Women are one of God's most prescious gifts to men. They are by his grace placed into our care, but they belong to him. Like all of God's gifts, they can as easily be taken away as given. All men should think about this.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Live from Peru, Tri'Cities, Washington — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:39:28 GMT

I think that what transpired is a horrible injustice. I am in Arequipa, Peru right now, and it too is a macho society. Girls are victimized and the local authorities take no action, or any action taken is so diluted it does little to alleviate the suffering. But you know, I just read yesterday a story about ¨Starter Husbands¨, a new tradition emerging in America. As I understand it, when these tribal men and women marry, they pretty much do so for life. Sure, maybe they can´t get divorce, but then being too ¨sunny¨isn´t used as an excuse to divorce. History has proven that when there are great freedoms, the darkness in the heart of man can pervert his ways. Go ahead, point your fingers, but what have YOU done lately that helps to alleviate the suffering of another. Americans are great at crying foul, and I am an American. But we don´t earn the right to have a voice because crying foul is all we do. And in that, dear people, there is no honor, and our words are only cheap confetti, drifting in the wind. Donate your life. You do not know. Perhaps you will be the one that brings change.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

jvp — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:57:20 GMT

Murder is murder, no matter what you call it or how you paint the picture. It's very sad to think that a father, brother, uncle, etc., would sell his own daughter, sister, neice to the highest bidder. Isn't that what's it's really all about, the money, the dowry that comes from arranged marriages? By the young girls deciding to choose who they wanted to marry, daddy, brothers, and uncles weren't going to get paid. That's the real tragedy. Killing your own blood for a few dollars. Not only did they kill the youngs girls, they beat them then buried them alive. There is no honor in that or the fact that they killed the mother and aunt of the girls. That is one sick segment of their society over there.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

C.D. Jaquez, Torrance, California — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:58:12 GMT

As an anthropologist, I am always concerned with the preservation of cultures, being non-judgmental about cultural practices, and of trying to be relativistic. However, I am a human being, first and foremost, and believe that it is the obligation of all human beings to intervene when those without the means to defend themselves, or who are being abused and persecuted without an avenue of escape. While I am not generally in favor of arbitrary or unilateral state sponsored intervention in the affairs of foreign soveriegn states, the defense of the defenseless would always be my overall guiding principal.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Dave , Boston, MA — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:16:17 GMT

These are not "men". A true man protects children he does not kill them.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ken Hines, Saint Joseph, MO — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:21:15 GMT

I am trying to grasp the mentality involved: why it is condoned locally, why the men involved feel no guilt or shame, why external forces haven't eradicated the practice (head-shrinking and cannibalism are pretty much equivalent and both are gone into history), why the actual consequences haven't outweighed the imaginary, why the influences of other tribe members and family members don't seem to impact, why strangers from tribes an hour's drive away would get involved-let alone condone it.....then I remember how Mormon men hold total sway over the polygamist, incestuous, pedophilic practices of their fellow church members and look the other way. Then I just shrug and wonder what we Americans ought to do about sweeping our own doorsteps and leaving other countries to do their own.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Justina, Pasadena, Maryland — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:59:21 GMT

I can't image doing something like that to a family member or anyone. I'm so glad I live in the USA because i am able to make decisions for myself.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

tf — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:08 GMT

The women of America should thank God they do not live in 75% of the world. The rights you enjoy will never be enjoyed by your sisters in those parts of the world. I pray we will always have the free society and equality we so take for granted.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Nathan, Columbus, OH — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:51:51 GMT

No tribal or ethnic tradition should shelter these men from punishment, this is wrong no matter where in the world it happened. this is no matter of cultural difference, but of human liberties and rights.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Ben D. — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:23:37 GMT

Our government has to demand outlawing the practice of these barbaric traditions in any country that is trying to receive financial support from us or any other worldwide financial instititutions. Any country which is in violation or failing to perform the Human Rights provisions set forth by UN is prohibited to receive assistance. That would persuade the governments in these countries crack down on traditions that are inhumane to women. This is what we can do in this country to affect the improvement of women treatment around the world.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Aftab Siddiqui. Karachi, Pakistan — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:03:33 GMT

Most of these fellows who religously follow 'honor killing' and their so-called culture feel "honoured" to sit back at home and send their women folks to work in the fields/all out-door jobs, thus exposing the women to males but at the same time on some minor doubt if they feel that the woman is mixing up with some man even for some righteous cause, they feel duty-bound to kill her.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

In Love With The Wrong Man — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:37:34 GMT

I fell in love with man from Pakistan who had a prearranged marriage to a woman (his 1st cousin) he's only met once. He says his life will be one of hell and control once she comes to the US. It was his duty as the oldest son and there was nothing he could do to change it. He has been a US citizen for years. Forget honor.... what about love???? If this is what you want go home... This is the United States of America and it is our choice who we want to marry and how we want to live. Don't bring your incestous relationships to OUR country. I can't be with the man I love because his parents would never approve of me because I'm an American... You live in MY country... He would face severe punishment if they were to find out about me or he would choose to leave his live of imprisonment. As I said before GO HOME if this is how you want to live.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Mike Hill — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:08:58 GMT

I do not wish to diminish or belittle the tragic deaths these women suffered. However, I do think this story also illustrates the folly of attempting to ally with a country like Pakistan whose values are so foreign to our own.

If the Pakistanis can't or won't stop the disgrace of these "honor killings" what hope do we have that they'll ever be faithful allies in the war on terror? If tribal traditions regarding are so important that they require murder, they are certainly strong enough that the tribes of Waziristan will never withdraw their formal hospitality from the murdering thugs that they harbor.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Steve Chicago, Il — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:58:51 GMT

No foreign country has the right to enter the United States and demand that we change anything, no matter how offensive or inconceivable it is to their beliefs ... the United States does not have that right either ...

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Taylor, Phoenix — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:07:54 GMT

All I can say is that we are truly blessed for what we have. When I read things like this and I hear what we complain about, it just doesn't compare. Thank God we have our freedom.

Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

michael grants pass Oregon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:12:53 GMT

Pakistan is playing both sides... They are treading dangerous ground and will be dealt with accordingly!!

They kill women for going against there rules by free choice. In choosing Husbands. (Justification Honor Killings)

Unless the PAkistani Men plan on having babies they might want to rethink this punishment!!