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Katrina Coleman Yuciapa, CA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:13:27 GMT

Bush/Chenney in their arrogance have placed GEN Petraeus at the helm of CENTCOM, to handcuff the next President (whomever that might be), into staying in Iraq, as they feel he is fire proof. Petraeus is a soldier and should be thanked for his service, but he must be reminded that he along with all Military personnel are servants to the USA and its people, that's why its called the service.

A vote for Obama means you want the troops out of Iraq and a vote for MCcain means you think they should stay (according to him for at least the next 100 years), everyone understands that, if Obama is elected, the people have spoken, GEN Petraeus must follow his orders, like the good soldier he is and move out, the war was wrong, Bush lied and invaded, and now we occupy, the Iraqi Government wants us out (ASAP would be nice according to their PM)over 100 thousand innocent Iraqis have been murdered through collateral damage, the overwhelming majority at the hands of American Forces (the truth is the truth).

So nice try Bush, but we see the real reason you put the General in at CENTCOM, maybe we are not as dumb as you think we are-happy your days are numbered.

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Sherry Casageo Short Hills, NJ — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:25:12 GMT

Didn't Bush learn anything in Sunday School or at the feet of his mother, doesn't he know anything that, "anything that starts with a lie is destined to fail"

We became our enemy wgen we lied and then invaded Iraq. America has fallen so far from ots greatness, since 9/11.

We must leave Iraq now, their Government wants us out.

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Kenny Kline San Deigo, CA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:25:51 GMT

We need to leave just as soon as we can (and that means all our troops), think of all the billions that could have spent right here in the USA- its just leaves you shaking your head, the only reason that this wee bit of troops are coming home-is its election time and Bush is trying to help his party from getting creamed by the Obama faithful. Just because you got a pretty girl standing on stage with you doesn't mean your going to win-it helps, but does not guarentee victory, she's hot I will give you that, in a weird Mary Ann on Gilligans Island way.

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Peter L. Patrick San Bernadino, CA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:48:31 GMT

Katrina you are right on target, Bush will never see,what the rest of the world see's, and that is, we have lost so much moral goodness in this country and now we have to pick up our toys and go home.

You right nice try Bush, the General is a good man and a great leader, but enough is enough. We have done enough damage there, God forgive us.

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Mary Ann Whemley Alantic City, NJ — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:53:53 GMT

Our troops are hero's, but the mission is just so wrong and all the innocent blood shed, and she's right over 100 thousand innocent women, children and men have been murdered by collateral damage.

At least 8000 will come home, we need to wake the hell up and keep the next President in check, who ever that may be.

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Donald Murphy Banning, CA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:58:51 GMT

The only reason troops are coming home is that its almost November, nobody I know in the 30 something crowd wants Iraq in our lives anymore, it was wrong that we invaded on false intel, produced by our government.

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Barron Eastman Liverpool (UK) — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:02:14 GMT

Loved the comment about Mary Ann on Gilligans Island (laughing my head off)and agree with anyone who says, we must get out of Iraq- call it a day Bush- things always go wrong when you lie at the start.

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Sick of the Far Left Loons — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:06:27 GMT

Silly Liberals Freedom is for Patriots who stand behind their country. So Stop with the Bush Lied comments. You have no facts to back it up.If appeasement and Socialism is your idea of democracy I'm sure France would welcome you.

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Jim Willoughby, Charlotte NC — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:22:29 GMT

Its so sad the Bush blew it in Iraq because there may be a day in the future in which it is in our interests to use military force preemptively and the American people will be very skeptical about whether we can pull it off. Bush has handicapped future Presidents who may have to deal with with a clear and present danger but can't build a politcal consensus to act.

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Jeff Hauf, Milwaukee, WI — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:45:42 GMT

Wow, your defeatism utterly disgusts me as a proud service member of our fine country. Wether or not the war began as a lie or just bad intel across the board, its irrelevant in the war today. To attempt to connect the two shows just how ignorant and blinded by your Bush-hatred you truly are. You can hate Bush and be angry at the conception of the war, but you need to seperate those views with the current status of Iraq today. I have served in that country, and patrolled on my own two feet daily in Iraq. The people there are grateful, they want us to leave, but they don't want us to leave prematurely. Iraqis understand that American troops have helped create security and safety in their country post-invasion as well as divert what would have been a religous genocidal civil war. Things would be much worse without us there. Why do you want to retreat when casualties have gone down monthly for the last year? After five bloody years of war, we are finally seeing the fruits of our labor and sucess in our sacrifice. Progress not only in defeating our enemies, but progress in building an infrastructure in Iraq. Are you even aware that Iraq is producing more oil then it was pre-invasion? That there are millions upon millions more phone lines in Iraq as well as internet connections vs pre-invasion? Are you aware that there are hundreds of more Iraqi journalistic organizations today then pre-invasion? Are you aware that Iraq is producing more electricity then it was pre-invasion? Are you aware Iraq is one of the top countries in the middle east in its freedom index? Economic and technological revolutions are in conception. These people lived in the dark ages, a darker age, before our arrival.

Verbal agreements have already been made and our eventual withdrawl from Iraq appears agreed upon. Do you read the news? Have we not agreed in principle to withdraw from Iraq in 2011? To have our Marines and soldiers off the streets of most major Iraqi cities by 2009?

The war is over, its only a matter of time at this point. The Iraqi army which boast over 500,000 warriors are taking the reigns for the first time in years and securing their own territory. Did you not listen to the news when the Iraqi Army spear-headed succesful operations in Mosul, Sadr City, Basra, and Amarah just a few months ago? The people continue to grow confident in their democratic government and new elections early next year will only strengthen that as well as enhance the Sunni role.

Noone is going to argue that Iraq doesn't have a ton of problems and hurdles in the coming years, but when all is said and done, they will be a country that is controlled democraticaly, and they will never see a leader who would massacre via gas more then 100 thousand of his own people(kurds). Why werent you up and arms then? It was ok for Sadam to kill his own people, but now its just incomprehensible when Americans are involved in fighting? You also speak as though Americans have killed 500,000 Iraqis which is just a blatant over exaggeration and lie. Far more have died at the hands of sectarian violence/insurgent/terrorist activity then have by American mistake. Your arguments also fail to even mention the amount of bad men and radical islamists that have died by the American hand. You seem to completely ignore any progress or benifit to that.

In the end, you should thank Petraeus. He will go down as one of the most famous and greatest American Generals ever. His methods of conducting war in Iraq, have saved what appeared to be another Vietnam style defeat into a genuine possible American victory. If you have any sense of duty to a situation we created, you would see that living it through is the right choice, as the latter consequences would be much worse. Should we have been stuck with dealing with another Iranian controlled puppet satelite state like Syria? Or possibly a terrorist state all together? Its easy to predict the lack of American casualties by our presence being gone, but you fail to even factor the amount of death caused by civil war and religous sectarian violence, which we have already seen in 05-06. Shall we retreat while becoming the proximate cause for a very possible unfathomable mass murder? This should factor in your opinion, but you are "bush-blinded" in your hatred and you fail to see the "big picture".

The invasion was over long ago, and it matters little in the reality that is Iraq today. Progress and victory are in sight. Bloody war and the invasion remain in "hindsight". Timetables for withdrawl are placed down in principle. The troops will come home, and Bush in his infinite wisdom made Petraeus in charge of the middle east so that he can break off some of that same wisdom and knowledge he used sucessfully in Iraq in our problems with Afghanistan. There is no man more qualified.

I suggest you all read a little more on what actually happens in Iraq, and attempt to take an objective and unbiased approach to your opinions on the war, rather then subjectively educating yourself based of your loathing for our president. Check out the Brookings Report which is a liberal institution that has an Iraq Index full of figures and reports by people who spend their entire lives evaluating every inch of Iraq. After you soak in some objectivity to the subject, then open your mouth.

Until then,
The guy that was actually there.

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jorge — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:54:37 GMT

Iraq is never going to be more than somewhat secure. No country in the Middle East is more than somewhat secure. Accept it and let's get out of there. They want us out anyway. Obviously, they agree with Obama more than they do McCain.

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R.Burke, Norfolk, VA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:09:30 GMT

The story from Bush has always been that we will withdraw our troops from Iraq if the Iraq government asks us to do so. However lately they have been asking to set a definite date for the withdrawal and our response has been "Lets talk it over further until you realize that you don't really want what you're asking for". It almost sounds like a threat, doesn't it? So much for the independent and democratic government of Iraq.

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Chris Atlanta GA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:10:26 GMT

If Obama is elected, he will not pull all the troops out of Iraq immediately as some of you misinformed people believe. The war in Iraq is drawing to a close, but there will be a US presence there for some time. People that believe that Obama will immediately withdraw troop from Iraq are living in a fairy tale. The president must do what is best for the country not what he thinks the people want. In case you do know or understand this country is not a democracy but a republic. The people have no direct say in how the country is run. Which is a good thing, considering how people don't look at the facts themselves or research any issues, but believe the propaganda that their party spews. Buy the way we still have troops stationed in Germany, Japan, and South Korea long after those wars were over.

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BLUEFIRE52@HOTMAIL.COM — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:10:39 GMT

BUSH LIES AND THE WAR GOES ON BRING OUR MEN HOME FOR GOD SAKES PORUD OF OUR MEN BUT THE NEED REST WE NEED THE IS OVER AND THEM HOME BUSH AM HAPPY YOU ARE OUT SOON BE GONE

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Doris V. Albuquerque, NM — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:19:26 GMT

jorge said exactly what I was about to say. Iraq will never be a mainstream democracy. The tribes and factions in that area of the world have been fighting each other since time began. Lawrence of Arabia and the UK tried to unite this area but finally left and gave up. Please gods save us from McCain and more of the same in our election. As for Petraus, I think Obama/Biden and the American people can take care of him. Last, I knew, the military does not control the USA.

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George Cheney, San Fran, CA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:37:43 GMT

Nice piece of writing Jeff! These liberal lunes have really lost it. Their ignorance and stupidity is laughable.

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daryl fletcher gilbert az — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:38:06 GMT

The fact that this war was started for the wrong reasons is undeniable. The fact that they tried to do it on the cheap insured that we would win the war and lose the peace. It was tragic and Iraq paid a terrible price, but free people everywhere must pay price for freedom. No matter what else has happened they are free from a tyrant. They are on the verge of something truly great and they have paid a terrible price but they have paid it and they deserve the chance to succeed. To leave now would be more of an immoral thing than any thing else we could do. The General is a hero and our troops are heros to abandon it now truly would be the most tragic chapter in america's history since Vietnam

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Rick Stephan, Denver, CO — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:58:56 GMT

Jeff Hauf - #1 THANKS for your service. #2 Thanks for your comment. The only thing you said that I disagree with is "I suggest you read a little more..." All the defeatists need to remove their blinders and read (i.e., educate) themselves ALOT more.

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Tom Allentown, PA — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:43:26 GMT

Thank you for serving Jeff. It is sad that Americans only believe what they see on tv or read in the newspaper or online, these media outlets have to generate income or they will disapear. I had a niece, a nephew and a very good friend that served and all three were appauled by the conditions that these people endured before we arrived. Perhaps we have it too good here and we will never understand the gift and commitment of our troops. Again thank you for serving, you have all made the world a better place for everyone. Those who hate President Bush need to go back to school and learn that this is not a dictatorship, and most who complain do not even vote.

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John Hallowell — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:50:28 GMT

George W. Bush will go down in history as a courageous president who did the right thing despite a tsunami of vicious personal attacks. A free and democratic Iraq in the heart of Osama's would-be caliphate will doom Al Qaeda and make the world a far safer place. Thank God for President Bush!

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Joe, Seattle, WA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:02:47 GMT

Of course, we can only "get out" now, in victory, because of McCain's insistence on the surge. Not Joe Biden's call for regional autonomy, not because Dems like Obama threatened troop withdrawls, not because of more raids by Special Forces teams... instead, because of General Petraeus's change in strategy which was implemented by the fine soldiers under him.

Admit that the surge worked and let go of your delusions. You can still hate Bush, but let go of your clinging to an illogical position.

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Luis Araujo, Attleboro, MA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:10:03 GMT

Well said Jeff, As so one else that has actually walked the streets and driven the roads of Iraq, I couldn't say it better myself. I am disgusted by all the irresponsible comments and thoughts from the people who hate Bush so much that they are blinded to our responsibilities and also the facts about Iraq.

I find it so hard to understand their hatred when we as the ones who have actually suffered and paid for Bush's "mistakes" don't hate him and wish to see failure in Iraq as much as they do.

I honestly believe that they think that if Iraq goes down the tubes that it will only be a Bush failure and not a failure of the US. The arrogance and vitriol that they shout out is so damning.

Do they expect a fully function democracy in Iraq within 5 years when it has taken us over 200 years to just get where we are?

I as a US soldier I am so proud of General Patraeus and thankful for his leadership. He is my hero, not some football player or movie star. He has saved so many service members lives and has made our sacrifice begin to pay off.

As for the detractors please go do something constructive with your lives and learn that the following aren't just words to us.

I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.

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Jay — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:32:12 GMT

To: "Silly Liberals Freedom is for Patriots who stand behind their country."

Do true patriots listen to their president lie and get away with it? Want some facts? Look at the links below. I know, I know, you'll call these liberal web sites. Here's a lesson for everybody. If something is documented it is neither liberal nor conservative. It is a FACT. Facts cannot lie, but presidents can.
http://www.bushlies.net/

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

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Donald Icamen — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:48:14 GMT

I think the look of this war is all one sided with the bushies. First our military was not readt for a War. And the americans who beleive in this war went there over, over and over again they recalled military who had did done there jobs. and because there was no draft most all young didn't here the call and a lott of the where republicans.I am a disable Vet I did my jobs and when twice but these poor guys had no choice, I may also add this administration has continuly down sized bases personal and still doing so where is our military going to do. They do it by down sizing the artisans
This is game is was and going to be a a very bad awaking.

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Jodi, Iowa — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:59:26 GMT

I wonder sometimes if the Iraqui people want us out because of the hate and anger they see from us, the American people, through news media and other sources of communication.
Every person on this great world we've been given should have the opportunity to be in a democracy. I realize the sacrifices our troops have made in providing the Iraquis their freedom. Their, and their families sacrifice has been great.
I am tired of hearing the news media spew their biased reports. I think there is more to the story than they give to us. Do you ever notice that there is not one positive thing they report about Iraq? I find that interesting considering I get emails from, or speak occassionally to service men and women and they tell me that conditions are so much better than what is reported.
Our society has become one of negativism. Do you people not remember how evil Sadam Husain was? How can you forget? I for one am glad he is gone.
I am happy for the Iraqui people that we have given them the gift of democracy. May God bless them, and I pray that he might forgive and bless us in spite of ourselves.

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Craig Lofton, Maryland — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:00:07 GMT

This is to Jeff Hauf, Milwaukee, WI 1st and foremost Jeff thank you for your brave and patriotic service over in Iraq. And now let's set some things straight and this comes from a former Army vet. The war was WRONG WRONG & WRONG. You guys who took the oath to defend against enemies foreign and domestic became pawns in a chest game. By a man who LIED and played on 9/11 fears to get you guys over there.

Most of the vets I spoke to returning from Iraq said what most of the commentators on have said this was was a LIE. One Marine expressed a desire to "murder Bush" for sending them over there for as he put it "Gasoline and Oil" Why is Osama Bin Laden still on the loose???? whatever happen to capturing him???

So myself a vet, and alot of Americans want our HERO'S back home and we are fighting to maker sure you guys get decent health care, and all the benefits you deserve and not the crappy Walter Reed kind of health care you've been getting as a former soldier my heart go's out to the 7 thousand lives that were lost needlessly. And the emotional scars our hero's will have when they return home. So like it or not my military brother we will fight, protest, fight some more until you all return home. GOD Bless.

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Glenn Barr, Vancouver, WA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:48:06 GMT

this admission to you may surprise and even shock the majority of you, but I dont care..I am an anarchist, but I was also a soldier that faught in Iraq and afghanistan..and like the fellow soldier from Wisconsin I do believe that we as soldiers are gaining a strong foothold in Iraq, not to further "the use of religious fundamentalism wrapped in the american democratic philosophy", but so the Iraqis can govern themselves with the confidence and the safety they did NOT have under Saddam Hussein. I served with honor in Iraq with my boots on the ground out there and I have also seen my share of events in which we have made a significant change in the lives of the ordinary iraqis by providing them with food, water electricity and a heightened and clear sense of safety. I am not one for an intrusive government, but we are no where near the "1984" state of mind in which the liberal media has portrayed the Bush administration-- though it does appear that this country could lean that way if we are not careful....there for I urge those of us out there to wake up and make a difference when we vote..

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John Sarappa Lantana Fl. — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:07:13 GMT

I'm A korean Veteran and I say---Jeff Haulf from Milwaukee,Wi. SAID IT ALL

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Paul Parry, Omaha, NE — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:58:27 GMT

What is left to win in Iraq? We invaded their country, destroyed their intrastructure, overthrew their government, got a new one elected with our help that now wants us to set up an exit strategy, as Rush Limbaugh used to say, so what's left to win? That is unless we want their oil money, too.

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George Azize, Lakeland, Fl — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:03:27 GMT

I agree with Jeff, America listen carefully this I will tell you now from a person who thinks we need change in America, and a person who may well vote for Obama, I too was in Iraq working for the dept of Defense in 05,06,and returned home in 07, I worked closely with the people of Iraq and some of their leaders, almost all of these people are grateful for what we have done for them their families and their country, I sat many times with them Groups of 10, 15, 20 of them at a time almost every other day after our mission was completed and was told by them how they had to survive when leaving our compound just to get home safely after a long day of work for our troops, they were followed many times, killed, terrorized and
threatened as well as their family members by AL-Qaeda if they returned to work for the us military but were there the next day those who would make it back alive, their leaders frantically explained why we could not leave time and time again, you have to be there look in their eyes and see the terrible pain they were suffering, most had no money to eat and feed all their families, yes mothers, brothers, sisters, small children and babies, how in the world can anybody with any true feelings would turn their backs on them knowing their fate would be sealed the minute we left and all would be killed in the religous civil war that was looming over them, they had tears in their eyes and begged for us not to leave every time news would come from the states wanting all our troops home, this is not the America I know our colors don't run and we can never turn our backs on any human being, city or country that need us.

While Bush made many mistakes from the beginning weather from bad Intel or his own personal war like many claimed, "He wanted to finish what his dad started with Sadam Husein" or having his way with the oil in this country and used 911 as his excuse to invade, lets not forget the genocidal tactics Sadam used against his own people which killed thousands of innocent men, woman and children mostly kurds for his own personal gains.

Iraq is a country like any other with families that just want to raise their children in a safe environment, teach them democracy and have the opportunity to change their country with a right that we all share in America, The Right to Vote.

We have given the Iraqi people the single most important gift they will cherish for the rest of their life, a gift we as Americans take for granted every day, "The Gift of Freedom".

America lets never forget who we are and what we stand for, we are all Gods children, not just americans but the world.

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LT TP, Baghdad Iraq — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:06:45 GMT

I advise and work with Iraqis on a regular basis, right now. They are just beginning to see hope for their country. As Jeff said, they want us to leave, but not right away. They want and need (and ask for) our help. There are a lot of areas, especially in technical matters, both military and civilian, that US (and Brit and Aussie and Polish, etc.) advisors are critical to keeping the government of Iraq operational and getting it on its own feet. That's a fact, even if it's something people don't talk about much.

Whatever the cause of the invasion, whatever we've done the past, a withdrawl that is anything less than carefully thought out, with Iraqis full prepared to take over, is grossly immoral and will cause huge numbers of unnecessary Iraqi deaths.

This country may never be 100% secure, but it can be and will be better than it is with more time and work. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. But we're not there yet.

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John — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:17:17 GMT

You want FREEDOM to speak???... I said it first... On the attack on America we should had turned the middle east into a sheet of glass..Especially suadia arabia. that is where to attackers came from. not iraq, not iran until now. guess were the biggest US air base in the world is, yep, Iraq. We have a plan and need to stick to it, unless you want revelation 22 Wake up America.

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Marnie Tunay, Edmonton, Alberta — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:20:18 GMT

Re jorge: "Obviously they agree with Obama more than they do McCain."
You think everyone who's not happy with foreigners calling the shots in their country must be a terrorist? The US-appointed Iraqi government wants the Americans to start making moves to leave. Does that make them terrorists. That's the trouble with inviting Americans or Russians in to "defend" your country - they won't leave when you ask them nicely to.
Marnie Tunay

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john — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:20:52 GMT

wtg jeff in wisconsin. I wish farve was back but the pack looks good and so do you.. thanx for your work. Well Done my freind

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elisabeth schneider OR — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:35:46 GMT

Now, can Bill O'reilly say the french were right??
How come it was not told to the american public that french soldiers in Afghanistan waited for a month at the entrance of a valley and when Bin Laden showed up, the american command said: Don't shoot! In fact I was told by French general Patric Dutartre that the french could have killed him twice and were ordered by americans not to shoot... Why??

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Cody, Clarksville TN — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:12:13 GMT

To all those Bush-bashers who wish to flee Iraq.

Wow.

That is outstanding, truly outstanding. What a fantastic way to show your support to the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines who have fought in that country.

I am terribly sorry that the war in Iraq is an eyesore that you would rather just "go away". Unfortunately, some things do not "go away". There is evil in this world that does not care if we pull out of Iraq, it will come find us. You would realize that if you spoke to a servicemember who has seen some of the horrors of this war. People who can deliberately attack innocent women and children, who can strap bombs to the mentally ill, these people are evil in a way that you cannot imagine. Soldiers like myself chose to join the military and fight those people. It is really quite simple: You can fight them in Iraq or you can fight them in the streets and cities of America. The one thing you can be sure of is that you will fight them somewhere. They will make sure of that.

I suggest each of you "bring the troops home now" types keep your Bush-bashing comments seperate from your comments about the servicemembers in Iraq. Please support us and help us to finish the job that was started. Whether it was started due to faulty intelligence is not important now. What is important now is that we owe it to the Iraqi people to leave them with a secure government and a country where their children can grow up in safety.

Twenty years from now, when I visit the graves of the friends and Soldiers that I have lost, I want to be able to tell my grandchildren that they died for something, that 19 million people are now free because of their sacrifices. If we pull out unilaterally, Iraq will degenerate into a civil war, and all of their sacrifices will have been in vain. We owe it to our fallen brothers and sisters to finish the job that we started.

To anyone who wants to pull out now: If the D-Day invasion had failed in 1944, would you have screamed as loudly as you are now that the war was a lost cause? Would you have demanded that the Roosevelt administration "pull out"? Would you have said "Europe and the Nazis will get better if we just stay out of the way"? The answer, of course, is "no".

If you are opposed to the war in Iraq, fine, that is your right. By all means vote for Barack Obama, that is also your right. If you want to speak out against the war, again that is your right. But before you start talking about "pulling out", think for a second, who gave you those rights? The U.S. military did. While we are fighting, give us your support, that is all I ask.

Sincerely,

Another guy who is actually there.

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Rick, San Diego, CA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:36:04 GMT

It's obvious the guy has actually been there, so brainwashed also. Is it doing something worse the way to fix things when you do something bad, if so, I feel sorry already for what used to be a model of a country.
Irrelevant that a country is invaded on the basis of LIES? Lies,not "bad intel". Lies as in not telling the true with the intention to deceive. Sure, to bad you are not still there so you could tell that to anyone there who has lost someone BECAUSE of the invasion, regardless of who actually made the killing. You fail to see that sectarian violence,insurgency and even terrorism in Iraq is a by-product of the invasion. Oh, but you are back home, well then go tell the families of your fallen brothers in arms that now is irrelevant that they had died there for a bunch of lies because the current situation there is so much better. People in Iraq before the invasion had to worry about Sadam the dictator, and dictators repress and kill their own people, but peoples throughout History have always found ways to get rid of them sooner or later, that is unless they have the support of a super-power, yes USA supported Sadam until it decided it was not going to anymore, for whatever the reason, for now we know the WMD story was just that, a story. The gas he used on the Kurds, a left-over of the Iraq-Iran war and originally intended for the Iranians had MADE IN USA stickers on the containers, maybe that was the reason: He did not use it (or not all of it)on who the US wanted. So instead of letting and helping the Iraq people (people, like in folks, not the Chalabi types) take on the once USA-backed dictator, THEIR coutry was invaded, destroyed to be rebuilt (why destroy in the first place)and the only true winner in this, up to now is Iran, not exactly a USA friend.
So yes, go and tell the families of these 4000+ heroes that they died there for a ton of lies and for the benefit of Iran. Once someone told me that most war stories were mostly lies, and that most of the military persons enjoyed or did not care being lied to. Fortunately, the people really care about their government lying to them, and yes, people have always found ways to deal with governments that lie.

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Andy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:57:41 GMT

Thank you Jeff for your insightful perspective on an unpopular war. At a time when real victory can be seen in the horizon, the Bush-haters just want to get out, claim "victory" because they beat Bush, but leave the Iraqis in defeat. Leaving now would not result in anything good, even for America. Thank you Jeff for serving our country and putting yourself in harms way to protect not only us, but the Iraqi people as well. May God bless you!!

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HavanaBadDog, The Peoples Republic of, MD — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:41 GMT

Excellent comment Jeff. Too many people in the U.S. are stuck in the past because the Democratic party wants them there. The reality of the situation is that Bush made the decision to invade (wrong choice in my view), but since he is the Commander-In-Chief we live with the decision and try to improve the situation for Iraqi freedom. The push before the surge was to withdraw from Iraq and feed them to the wolves. Any responsible adult should have realized then, as now, that that is not in the free world's best interest. The cold hard fact is that western civilization is in the fight for its very existence. Many think that statement is ridiculous, but regrettably, too many Americans are ignorant of the world outside the U.S. borders. They sit in their living rooms watching the news, believing what the morally corrupt media feeds them. They have papers and ad time to sell. Doom-and-gloom and controversy fits into their commercial and political agendas.

To give into the defeatist emotions that have been preached over the past few years would have vaulted the extremists to heights that would legitimize their cause. Now it looks like we have something to build on. Will freedom in Iraq take hold? Nobody can say. At least now there is a glimmer of hope.

Thank God the combat troops will be withdrawn at a reasonable pace. I'm sure that pace will not be fast enough for the units that leave last. As it was when I was waiting for my orders to depart, I'm sure there's a soldier waiting for his seat on the flight home. Now it's time to re-focus on Afghanistan.

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J.M. Irby Camp Victory — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:33 GMT

Too Cody in Clarksville, yes I was there too, the people where grateful as long as we kept giving them free stuff!!, how would you feel if someone invaded the USA today (on false Intel) and killed countless innocent civilians and then occupied our homeland, and on a daily basis tried to tell us how to live- you need to wise up- it does matter how things start,the end never justifys the means and just because you don't agree with the mission, doesn't mean you don't support the troops, so stop trying to use peoples affection for the troops against them- I fight everyday so people have the right to say what they think- square yourself away man-from a guy whose still there.

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Gary Peschell St. Catharines,Ontario, CANADA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:13:17 GMT

While agree with Jeff Hauf about the "progress" in Iraq that he cites, it does not contitute "victory."
"Victory" - in sense meant by the Bush Administration and the supporters of the war - would mean Iraq becoming 1.) A "liberal democracy" (like, say Israel), 2.) a "staunch ally" of the United States, and 3.) A "friend" to Isrel. It is not likely to become any of these things in the forseeable future. (Even General Petreus describe the current relative peace in Iraq as "fragile."

"Victory" - in purely military terms - would also mean crushing the Sunni insurgency (with all the insurgents killed, captured, or just dropping their guns and giving up the fight) and cowing the anti-American Shia militias (like Mouktada al Sadr and his "Madi Army") This is not likely to happen anytime soon either. About 100,00 Sunni gunmen (many of them former insurgents)are on the American payroll as part of the "Awakening Councils" movement, while the anti-American Shia militias are "standing down" for the time being.

America has a "moral responsibility" to leave Iraq in the best possible state as American forces depart. If that comes to pass American forces can be said to have achived "success" in Iraq (cleaning up the horrific mess created by the Bush Administration -and those politicians in both parties who supported the war). But it cannot be properly called "victory".

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MAJ W.M FT Myers, VA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:17:09 GMT

In reply to George in Lakeland, having just returned form Iraq (last week) I can tell you that people are looking very forward to our troops leaving, things are better security wise, but still dangerous, I can see why you take your view, you were a contractor siiting in a FOB (with the A/C on high), making big bucks off this invasion, I on the other hand was out driving and pounding ground with my boys in Sadr City- things are bit different on those streets- those folks hate us- and I agree with them- because I would feel the same way if the tables were turned.

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T Phillips, Murrieta Ca — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:22:57 GMT

I completely agree with the only one here that had anything intelligent to say about this war(Jeff Hauf), why?... Because he has been there like i have, and until you have seen what exactly is going on first hand then you don't have any right to start calling out our leadership, i spent my last three years patrolling the streets of Al Anbar Provence, and the progressions that we have made over the last three years alone are noteworthy. I have lost many friends and to call this war a mistake is only a slap in the face to this patriot!
So the next time you want to form an opinion on why or why we should not be in Iraq please read up on exactly what is going on, the information is out there all you have to do is open your eyes and look around.

By the way, Your Welcome! All of these servicemen thank you for your support!!!!!!

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Bill Kennesy Vicenza, Italy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:43:56 GMT

In reply to Jeff in Wisconsin-500 Thousand warriors! I helped train a bunch of them I would not call them warriors. I and my Battalion had to clean up the mess in Basra after the Brits left it to your mighty Warriors- and to this day we are still trying to run down about 50 up armour humvees they left behind when they deserted their post, so warriors is kind of stretching it- and yes they have all these great services and a improved infra-structure, at what cost?, billlions and billions and billions of dollars, that we need here at home (in a bad way)- so please man, give me a break, because we are not feeling it- I hate to admit it, but Obama is right-get out now- glad he will be the next President, plus they don't even want us there anymore

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SFC D.Howard San Diego, Ca — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:50:18 GMT

T Phillips- stop trying to use your service as a weapon aginst those who disagree with the war. I'm still here dude!! I'm a Soldier and cannot agree more with these comments against the war-please just stop it man- you disgrace your uniform, when you say people son't have the right to free speech. The people will speak in November, if they vote Obama in the troops are coming back home, dude I'm on 3rd deployment (this is stupid)-these people don't appreciate what we do, all they do care about is what we can give them.

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Gayle — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:53:51 GMT

Jeff, thank you! So eloquently put. The left armchair wingers out there seem to ignore the reports of progress because they are SO blinded by their hatred towards 'Bush' (they still haven't gotten over the 2000 election) that no matter what he (or, excuse me...'The Bush Administration') does, it's wrong/stupid/idiotic (supply the usual)...according to them. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if he had pulled all our troops out three years ago when all the dems were wining about it and things had fallen apart over there, they would have blamed Pres. Bush for pulling out too quickly. No matter what position he takes, they take the opposite because they can't come up with anything better. Look at the VERY BIG picture with regard to strategy. You may think Iraq was a mistake now, and yes, it's damned expensive, but you have to be patient. We were all told at the outset, this war may take a very long time--years. Weren't you listening? NO? (Oh, yeah--that's right, I know, you hate Bush). The radical Islamists have had decades to strategize and they teach patience as part of their doctrine. They believe that our so-called short attention span, foolish demoralizing of our troops and constant whining about the war will bring us down. Along with our economy, I might add. We all need to pay closer attention to what is going on with our money besides the war. Like in Congress, for instance. Where are the media/TV networks when these 500 page bills are drawn up that fool with our money and our constitution? Huh? I want to know exactly what is in those bills in laymens terms, not the language of trial lawyers, no matter what it takes to explain them with arguments pro and con from all parties. If it takes alot of air time or print space, so what. Yes, there's plenty on our home front to occupy our attention but dont EVER under-estimate the enemy and don't prove them right.

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Todd N. Memphis, Tn — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:54 GMT

To the Maj at Ft Myers- well said, I have done two tours of duty in Iraq and constanly remind my soldiers, that you must put yourself in there shoes,how would we react to invasion? Time to get out, we are bad bad gueast, they have asked us too leave-so lets go!!

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Carl K Front Royal, VA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:14:58 GMT

Jeff, you and others ask the good people of this nation- to just discount and forget the fact that false Intel was provided to justify our bloody invasion of Iraq, where so many innocent souls where slaughtered, so many were wrongly murdered it made Saddam look like Mother Theresa-Saddam is attributed to have killed about 7000 thousand of his enemies (there were many innocent killed at his hands also), but Jeff our troops have killed murdered over One Hundred Thousand Civilians (after 100 thousand the Green Zone stop publishing numbers). I'm sad to vote against the war (Bush) as I have been a Republican all my life (and it hurts as a 2-time Iraq Vet). Its just so over. You will see the people will speak in November-it will be a landslide for Obama and his exit stragedy.

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Mary Ann Baca San Deigo, CA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:21:34 GMT

Please you Warmongers stop with the continue the war at any cost-who cares if we lied to get the ball rolling-it was wrong to invade- its wrong to occupy someone else's country- I feel like I'm writting to a group of Nazi Kindergarteners, what the heck is wrong with our country? We really have become our enemy, Okay class after we get done shinning our Jack Boots we are going have nap time. Unbelievable!!

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Fred Middleton — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:21:58 GMT

The beginning. Not so unlike the early 1960's and that Sec. Defense McNamara and the 2003 Rumsfeld. Both very academically intelligent. Not so warrior smart but seemed to be a 'commander in chief' participant. Gen. Petraeus is the right man at the right time. College-experience etc is not an earned skill. It is a gift. Europe is not capable of fixing any significant problem. The mid East is 1000 times over their head. If Mid East oil were to become a blackmail tool of a WarLord dictator, who would be the only Nation that would have the skill to fix it??? England? Germany? France? World War 2 became the bloodiest war of all wars. Why? Non warrior mentalities controlled what fixes were then available. Long term stability is far away.Just as the concept of Democracy is foreign to the Mid East. Saddam was killing as many people as in the 1995 Balkans.

The President is required to fix problems. Not to be concerned with Legacy.

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C.T Arlington, VA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:30:52 GMT

Jeff- disagree with you on one point, General Patreus got to were he is on the backs of his troops, there are no great Generals only great troops, I'm a senior leader all my success is due tho the hard work of the troops.

One last thing the General has been informed that a Obama victory, means troops leaving Iraq (he undertands that), there already several COA's in the works to withdrawl- remember the will of the people must be served.

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Marvin "Beastman" Eastman Cleveland, OH — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:35:51 GMT

T. Phillips- another loser who's only defense is I've been there- well so have I sir- Whoopee!! other bloggers are right please do not attempt to use your honorable service as a weapon against others who disagree with your point of view-you did your job like thousands of others-get on with your life- and begin to use your mind to construct viable opinions.

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M.G.L. Yorktown Naval Weapons Station — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:42:25 GMT

What's all this talk about victory? We have already lost, when our Government flat out lied to invaded. the only people that won were Cheney's Haliburton and there huge no-bid contracts and the rest of the military contractor companies-who from a guy who has been there twice-seems like they have more contractors there, then soldiers, they for sure don't want the gravy train to end. It was and is wrong-victory-what a bloody joke.

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Dave, Heath Ohio — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:57:26 GMT

I find it amazing that some people really cannot see the importance of the work of our military and civilian personnel in Iraq nor have the vision to see the positive domino effect that a democratic Iraq will bring for years to come. Why are people so short sighted, I don't know. I am proud to be and American, and this is the greatest country in the world, but sometimes many of our citizens can't see or think beyond the end of our nose. You can agree or disagree with the war in Iraq, (I personally believe we should have taken out Saddam in Desert Storm) but 19 million people are free from the torturing rule or a murdering madman (Saddam) and that is something for the whole world to celebrate. None of us as American citizens have ANY idea what it is like to live or try to raise a family under the rule of a madman like Saddam. Don't take your freedom for granted folks and don't take the importance of freedom in Iraq for granted. God Bless our soldiers for their selfless work Every Day!! God Bless America and our President who has had to make tough decisions and has stood for Freedom his entire presidency.

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Kevin Orlando FL — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:21:46 GMT

Honest to god, real Patriots fight and Die for defending their country, and stand up to their leaders when they do not follow the will of their people. I'm not sure if you people still marching in line still dont realise you have been led into an open ended occupency by the Bush Administration, or if you are sheep-in-wolves-clothing posting on here to keep the illusion up that real Vets support this Fortunate Son POS.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:57:59 GMT

Who cares if Iraq is secure. The U.S. is not secure. Our economy is shot, our leaders are stealing from the people, nobody seems to value the truth. Iraq? lets start working on strengthing the society and culture of the U.S. Obama knows the Constitution and it's potential. That's the point. The job description is to uphold the Constitution!!

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jim plano, tx — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:17:37 GMT

you liberals disgust me. yes, we went into Iraq based on faulty information. this information came from Iraqi's themselves, namely Chalabi, and it was passed to us for their own gain. that was a big mistake, but it does not diminish the fact that the dictator in power was gassing his own people that were in opposition to him. plus, the UN asked time and time again for him to allow inspectors in to search for WMD and he would not allow it. he even went so far to insinuate that he had them. that inspection would have been the end of it.
there have been many innocent people killed there, and it has been horrific, but where did the weapons come from? do you think Hussein allowed his countrymen to arm themselves with assault rifles and explosives? Without Syria and Iran's assistance, Iraq would have been functional long ago.
We made a mistake in Iraq, but give the President credit for having the guts to hang in there and right a wrong at great personal expense to his place in history. Leaving the people of Iraq to fend for themselves with no functioning government, and no functioning infrastructure would have been mass murder.

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Carl Foster, Eagle, Colorado — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:53:25 GMT

Jeff from Milwaukee, thank you for your service and sacrifice. I was interested in your perspective right up to the point where you used the phrase "...Bush, in his infinite wisdom...". The fact is, that whatever the way forward in Iraq and for that matter the world, we need thoughtful and decisive leadership. It is my opinion that a great majority of American and foreign people are correct in their belief that the Bush administration has been a travesty of the highest order. Any attempt to whitewash or rationalize the horrible impact the administration's (I would say "criminal") mismanagement of almost ALL of America's affairs is a disservice to its citizens. In particular, those citizens like you, who walked the walk when it came to patriotism and duty to county. Sometimes, when you have lost your way, it isn't enough to say "well, we're lost, we better just keep going". At some point you have to change direction and get back on the proper path. I cannot thank you enough for serving our country and defending my family and fellow citizens, but I also cannot overlook what I think to be reckless and callous disregard for all Americans and our principles by this tragic presidency.

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Threesons, West Columbia, SC — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:58:05 GMT

I clicked on the "dead heat" poll! Where is it? I want to vote for Obama/Biden! This General will have to follow orders of the next Commander In Chief so everybody stop worrying!

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richard.hayward,wi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:45 GMT

The war has crippled the U.S in such a way that I wonder if we can ever recover.We've lost homes, lives, moral values, and most of all trust in the gov't that was never truely there anyway.We might have helped other countries but threw ours away in the process. We can't just blame Bush, it's the way the Gov't is set up. The Prez can be a king if he wants and nobody can do a thing about it.He could have been stopped but nobody did a thing about it so who is to blame really.

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Art C Coarsegold CA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:16:15 GMT

I am personally amazed at the responce by other Veterans, its good to see you all speaking out.

To those of you that say Bush started the war on lies.... You all are aware that Saddam Hussien wanted the US, but mostly his neighbors, to think he still had WMD. He provided disinformation to keep that clouded, he did not think the US would go to war over it. He, Saddam, said these things.

He thought wrong, but so many people believe that Bush lied, they dont even consider that the judgement was based on bad intel. You are putting your fingers in your ears and humming any time something comes up that would conflict with your world views and preconceptions.

IF Bush had lied it would have come out, to many people were involved in that operation. He would have been impeached. Since he didn't lie, at least that is my belief, then it is so much easier to let things go as they have. How easy it has been for his opponents to let other people carry the Bush lied torch. To me its like listening to people go on about how the Govt blew up the twin towers, oh wait let me guess you believe that to.

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Jeff S , Lavonia, MI — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:33:35 GMT

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tryandtryagain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:48:52 GMT

This war is never going to be won by the USA, our military went there to stop the WMDs, which they did not have, end of story. How can you win a war for nothing? Or is it just going to keep going to secure big business govt contracts. I have no doubt that if the worste case scenario happens and McCain is elected president, we will be next invading Iran, Syria, Pakistan, and then if we have time left over before the next election, we will be at war with Russia. Nice job Bush.

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Omar Devinney Honolulu, HI — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:52:01 GMT

Good for Sweden, why allow them in,they will only live off the state and drain its rescourses, jst ask other EU countries about that- why would they want to leave, President Bush says iraq is the jewel of the Middle East.

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Marty Colson San Deigo, CA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:00:29 GMT

The positive domino effect (from David in Ohio), what in the world is that guy talking about, learn from recent Middle East history we worked hard to have free elections in Lebanon, and how did Palastine repay the USA's hard work and belief that this would pay off big time in the Middle East Conflict- they voted Hamas into power-are you prepared for extremist to be voted into power in Iraq-because it will happen-you are painting too rosy of a piture-you actually believe those folks think like us-well from having served there I can tell you, you could not be more wrong.

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Samir Blazmet Denver, Co — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:07:35 GMT

What is all this talk about Victory-didn't BUSH say "Mission Accomplished" that fateful (and now very funny day)on the Aircraft Carrier.

I laugh just think about it, and I hang my head in shame when I think about all ther innocent Iraqis lives lost and for what- Nothing!!- I am Iraqi American, the invasion by the Bush regime was evil and continue's to be a disaster for the Iraqi people, and now the Prime Minister wants American Troops out!!- so please leave-you are no longer wanted.

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Keri Ann Brewer NYC — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:22:23 GMT

I will say , one thing the bloody invasion of Iraq has been a total victory for Miltary Contractors like Chenney's Haliburton-way to go-that's American "Manifest Destiny" at its best-now lets hijack and exploit ther Oil deposits, oh being a unchecked superpower is so much fun, lets see who can we invade next, maybe Iran (note to self, must lie and convince world they have WMD), easy fight, kill a bunch of innocent civilians like we did in Iraq, just more blood to grease the wheels of American Industry-only problem is Obama- he wants our soldiers to come home-says the war is wrong- we have to find a way to discredit him etc.....

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David — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:29:05 GMT

Neither is the USA.

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Mike W. Grady Newcastle (UK) — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:40:21 GMT

Our Military is doing a great job; now its time for them too come home-the Iraqi leadership says we are no longer wanted.

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Karen Nemi NYC — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:45:04 GMT

America is just so over Iraq-its done- finito, over, ended, mission accomplished, complete etc..Obama's right time to focus on Afganistan. You guys that love to occupy other countries and kill innocent civilians give us all break, gee, Hittler could have used you guys during WWII.

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Robert Bailey — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:54:43 GMT

Such a narrow, selfish and blind view so many of you display, those that think the radical will go away, those that want to build a wall around the US. When you have a threat that only want to kill you and your society, and has the ability to do it, you have to kill it first. When you have a global economy that will go on inspite of anything you will do, you have to participate or others will and eventually, you will not even be in the game. Read "The Post-American World" and "The World is Flat",which documents what has and is happening to the world today. Like the famous quote, US citizens want a strong ecomomy but they don't want change. Get rid of the emotional and get real. These events are not a quick fix, maybe not even in our lifetime. Certainly not in the next election, and not with the current political players, democrat or republican in Washington. Reason, we have not traditionally elected senators as president, is because they do not make good presidents or decision-makers. Maybe the governor of Alaska is the best candidate.

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Eric, Idaho — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:15:20 GMT

I too served in the military under Clinton and W Bush. The thing everyone on both sides of this debate is missing is the same thing this country has been missing for so long. We all speak are minds but never come together unless tragedy strikes home as in 9/11. We believe that Washington is untouchable, that what can a voice do. Here is a perfect example. We are arguing about patriotism and who's right or wrong; but we are arguing to no end for either side. Being a repulican or democrat solely binds us to being led like sheep by todays incompitent leaders (in both partys). America needs to take back it's own voice and clean up WA. Solve it's problems here and stop outsourcing jobs. America needs to protect it's citizens at home and not just from terrorism, but also from famine, floods and natural disasters. Our soldiers are heroes period!; but we don't owe anything to Iraq...they owe us. We are giving truck loads of money (literally), over 50,000,000 was unaccounted for in Iraq, We just dropped off plastic crates of millions to warlords and thugs; same thing in Afganastan, but these stories are buried. How does WA lose 100's of millions and not one thing is done about it and they even admit it. This administrations crimes against humanity are so in your face and they even tell you they are doing it yet we sit by and let it happen. We are building nothing in Iraq/Afganistan. We are doing what we do best even here. We are fattening the thugs of countries to prey on the week. Just as we do at home. The poor here and abroad are getting poorer and the rich are richer and we side with the rich because we do not want to suffer. If I stole/lost money at work I would be fired. So let's not be a party person, lets all be Americans, patriots and STAND. Clean up WA. and then fix what needs fixin here before we try and fix other countries. I always say to my children; until you can take care of yourself, you are no good to others. Helping others is what we are here for, but if you can't feed yourself or pay your own bills, don't give your money to others. I am not saying you can't plant food or give away a can of food. I am saying we need to eradicate hunger hear before we eradicate it in Africa. We need to stop crime here before we chase the criminals of the world. We need to build our cities, streets, schools, jobs. We need tolift our poor and help those willing to help themselves. Stop bailing out the rich for losing thousands and help the poor make a decent living. I am not into giving welfare to someone that can earn it. If you can stand, work or otherwise you can pick up/clean our streets, stand at our borders, etc. Giving money for nothing is for the ill/injured or those to old to work! If you are a true patriot of justice and have a moral compass to help/love others than I say be a Humanist, not a party person. Help Humanity, not side with the rich or ignore your own back yard. Let's clean up America and put the bad guys/girls away, Clean up our government and make this country greater than it's ever been. Then venture out to help the rest of humanity because then we'll all be strong, we'll all have a voice and and an example of how we can help since we helped ourselves and have the means to now help others. I am not saying America can not help anymore at all. I am not about isolationism. But, I am saying that this country was built by the poor, tired and the week. They came together and became strong and worked together to become the greatest nation (in a very short time) on earth, It's time to do that again and strengthen this nation to become a model once again for the world, not in war/but in power, not with bloodshed/but with undeniable strength since we are a nation that solved it's most basic neccessities again, life, liberty and happiness is about sharing wealth/power amongst all. We left class rule in England. But were reinventing it here with parties and distinguishing the poor, middle class and rich. Stand and help yourself, then your neighbor, then your county, city and state, Soon we can all STAND and help the world once again. But when we are able and are one again. Stop the killing in Iraq and if terror comes to America we squash it. Go after the terrorist when you know where they are and you can get them with percision and small forces. Do not tie up the entire military for someone elses cause. The war is over and has been over according to both sides for a long time. Let Iraq rebuild themselves and pay us for policing and staying or get out. Build up our borders from Mexico and Canada and in every port. Clean up our house before deciding to clean up the neighbors. Can't help my neighbors unless I am healthy and working and can pay all my bills and have a savings, Once I am there I will help out them and so on and so forth. Pay it forward; so to speak. But stop arguing and start being the solution. Help yourself become strong, then your neighbor and then your town. Once we can all stand and say this needs to be fixed, Then fix it rather than say what can little ol me do we should say look what we CAN DO. Stop fighting wars for one man or an administration and fight for America once again. Yeah America/Iraq are better off without Sadam; but we could have went in with a team like we did with Noreaga in South America. Now hundreds of thousands are dead and for what. To tell othersto live like us. Like I said clean up our backyard first and if people choose to emulate that they don't need die by the thousands to do it they just need to STAND together. Sheer numbers are the only way to affect real change. Stop listening and doing nothing and start grabing a problem with your neighbors (when you can all stand) and solve it; then the next problem and...pretty soon who knows maybe the world will follow suit. If not, that is their problem. We can enjoy paradise while knowing we tried but they didn't want it. It is not our destiny to change everyone into thinking or living as we do. It is our job to help others, but not by forcing them to live as we can/do. That is communism/dictatorship. Sharing is not by forcing, it's giving when able to give and helping. Not hurting. Freedom has come with a price when asked for and given by our country, Iraq didn't ask...America is footin the bill almost 90% with Iraq in both military and monetary. It's time we got paid to free others if that is what they want if not then they can live as they choose but we need not stay and support that. It is time to build this nation once again and help those who help themselves here, then abroad. It's time to get paid to sacrifice rather than sacrifice to get nothing. Lets STAND!

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Peggy Marston Alexabdria, VA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:48:46 GMT

I am heartbroken at the evil are country has produced around the world, since 9/11, we are a better people than this- Abel

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Jake Spraggins — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:18:55 GMT

To all those people that continue to drag out the canard that the Iraq war was started on lies by Bush; The WHOLE world believed that Iraq had WMD because that murderous dictator wanted and needed everyone to believe that. Every government around the world and MOST of the Democrats in Congress did too. Our government made lots of mistakes after our very successful overthrow of Hussein. Wars are messy and decisions are sometimes made in haste to be regretted in leisure. Did he need to be gone? You bet! Is the world a better place without him? No doubt! What most of the war protestors and backers of BHO lack, is a strategic world view and the point of view that some things are worth fighing and, if necessary, dying for. If (or when) it gets down to where these people have to chose between freedom or subservience, I doubt that they will have what it takes to stand up for what is right. They will have to depend on those of us who have been and are willing to stand up on their behalf. I pity them in their weakness. Just as there is Good vs Evil, there is strength and conviction vs weakness and lack of backbone. If people of this mind-set had been in charge, would we have won our Independence from Britain? Would we have won WWll? How long will America stand if the American ideals are lost to Democracy( Mob Rule)? On a side note, your thoughts carry more weight when you use correct English grammer and spelling. Carelessness in the presentation of your ideas denotes lack of concern for others. It is also a damning indictment of the state of education in this country today. Lack of attention to detail is rampant. Lastly, THANK YOU to Jeff and all that have served. Not just this war but all wars. The left does not appreciate what it took from some of us to secure for them the right to show the world what fools they are.

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Mike, Sandy, UT — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:23:09 GMT

First of all let me say up front, I applaud all of the military men and women who have gone to where ever their country felt they were needed. I fully support and appreciate you and your efforts.

What I don't support is the continued use of a generation of young men and women to further the agenda of a few select powerful people for their own gains.

The U.S. didn't invade Afghanistan to "combat terriorism" or Irag to "protect us from WMD". The one and only objective was to establish U.S. military presence in the middle east to provide a means to take control of the oil in that region. That's why we have bases in Saudi Arabia and are trying to come up with reasons to invade Iran.

Read "Crossing the Rubicon - The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" by Michael C. Ruppert or visit www.fromthewilderness.com" to see more of what the handlers of Bush are really up to.

I believe a considerable amount of good is being done in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it's not being portrayed by the mainstream media for some reason. However, much more could have been done in that region if all the billions (that we can't afford) went to helping the Iraq citizens and not stuffing the pockets of corrupt corporations.

We need to pull back and concentrate on the U.S. or we'll fail from within. That said, it must be done in a manner that assists those whose countries we invaded to sustain the advancements made.

Vote your concscience, but make sure it's an informed vote, not just a judgement. This is not a popularity contest we're in. The stakes are way to high to continue with the petty name calling, labelling, finger pointing, hatred, etc.

Whether we like it or not, we are all part of both the problem AND the solution. We need to focus on the root cause of our situation and deal with it, not continue to spend countless lives and billions of dollars dealing with the results.

I see one candidate who will help us with this daunting task and one who only wants to get elected and can't see past Nov. 4th. Your choice. Make it for the right reasons and for your future, your childrens' future and their childrens' future.

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Mike, Sandy, UT — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:25:41 GMT

Eric from Idaho,

Thank you for bring us back into perspective. I agree wholeheartedly. Nicely done.

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A A from PA — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:36:36 GMT

Isn't it funny (or maybe not) how you can tell the intelligent, well thought out comments contain proper spelling and grammer? I do not favor all this country does, what with the corporate interests having so much influence on our daily lives and deciding futures for generations to come, but there comes a time when a man (or a nation)must put himself in harm's way to protect those who are powerless against those who would otherwise enslave them. Read your history. I know many who went to Iraq because they want to help and make a difference. Sometimes you have to fight for change. I wish innocent people didn't die in war, but they always have & will. I wish the rich & powerful didn't wield such great influence over the world and the direction we head, but they do. Anybody who truly wants to make a difference has to be willing to get thier hands dirty. One way is not to vote mainstream, but definitely vote. As long as we are sheep, we are powerless. As long as we stand by and watch the slaughter of innocents, no matter who the culprits may be, as long as we continue to let money and possesions and feeling good about ourselves be the driving force in our lives with little regard for our fellow man (except when it's fashonable or convenient), as long as we sit on the sidelines in our schools and universities and office buildings while some of the finest men & women this country are doing the dirty jobs that need done, I prefer we all just say "Thank You" to the troops, write our elected officials and offer guidance and /or support/critcism, as I stated earlier VOTE NON-MAINSTREAM, because the money controls the politicians world wide. And stop those who would have any free people (which all on this earth are intended to be) be thier subjects.

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The Surge Worked — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:55:45 GMT

The war is over, and we've won it, all of the defeatists who gave up months ago have been proven wrong. All of those that screamed the surge was a mistake were proven wrong. And, despite an Arabic democratic government in the middle east people are still wrong in their view of this war, this was a much needed wake up call for a region of the world that feels it's ok to behave like it's the 12th century. The war in Iraq was a successful one, and this is just the beginning of introducing freedom and democracy in this corner of the world. The soldiers that died for the freedoms of the Iraqi people will not go in vain despite your best intentions to pull them out when the situation became tough. So quit your pathetic whining and embrace the fact that despite you, the media, and the Democratic parties inane rhetoric the correct thing has been done for the Iraqi people and the Middle East.

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Rick, San Diego, CA — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:54:56 GMT

Re: LT TP
"Whatever the cause of the invasion, whatever we've done the past, a withdrawl that is anything less than carefully thought out, with Iraqis full prepared to take over, is grossly immoral and will cause huge numbers of unnecessary Iraqi deaths."
Grossly immoral IS the invasion and occupation of a country based on the LIES of this administration, an invasion that has IN FACT caused huge numbers of unnecessary Iraqi deaths, not to mention more than 4000 American deaths, just as unnecessary as the Iraqi ones.
Why should anyone consider the predictions of someone supporting this immoral war regarding the outcome of a FAST withdrawal? As for the invasion, it was said that the troops would be received as "liberators". Did not happen, if it did, it was for a short period, what the troops encountered was the opposite: insurgency and resistance, things a country is entitled to in the face of foreign occupying forces. There is a saying about a dead dog and an uninvited guest stinking after the third day, and it is way past noon now. So who knows, maybe a fast withdrawal would not bring the chaos you foresee, but just the opposite, think about it, after all, events have a way of unfolding themselves regarless of our predictions.
I support the troops, I want them home and safe fast, NOW if possible.
I despise this war and the criminal gang of liers who started it.

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Rafa, Baja, Mexico — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:38:27 GMT

Isn't the real reason for the reduced violence in Iraq, due mostly to, the strategy of paying the Sunni milita/insurgents, up to $240.00 per month to stop attacking. ie.(Sons of Iraq/ awakenig council)

Re: Jeff S , Lavonia, MI
That is true Jeff, among some other factors, I think, and I am no expert on this, that the reason for their siding with USA, is because they saw A-Q in Iraq a far more intrusive and dangerous presence at the moment than our forces, which is something good, I believe, it shows at the very least that if in fact they hate Americans, it is not for what they are, for for what some Americans sometimes do, perfectly rational I could say; or the other way, they dont side with AQI just because they are muslim/arab.
However, the same Sunni clan/insurgency/counsel leaders have given no assurance as to their loyalty once they are sure AQI is gone for good, one of them stated "for now we are working with the Americans ..." with a stress in for now. Keeping them at our side would require skills that the armed forces as institutions, not personnel, do not have, they are supposed to destroy enemies, not make allies of them. Anyway, I do not want to sound pesimistic, but it seems to me that this blessed relative calm now in Bagdad is held together with pins, and not really supported by a sound strategy, an unpredictable Sunni insurgency, low-laying but active Shia militias, the not ready yet and also unpredictable Iraqui army/police, there is to little control over these to have a strategy, forget about a brilliant one. Again to the question, yes relative calm there is due mainly on the Sunni guerrilla decision to fight AQI, their decision, their strategy. The army saw they were good at taking care of AQI so they rolled out the cash and some war materials, I just hope they they keep being rational decide not to go after Americans just for being Americans, after all is their land, and there are indeed foreign occupying forces.
So a sudden spike of violence is possible at the moment they perceive something as not in good will from these foreign troops, despite the perception being real or imaginary. A real mess if you ask me.

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Gary Peschell — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:09:42 GMT

Sorry, Gayle, but Saddam Hussein was not a "radical Islamist," but rather (typical of Arab secular rulers) he hated them and saw people like Osama bin Laden as a serious threat. So ruthless and thorough were Saddam's security forces that "Islamist" - radical Islamic fundamentalist - organizations could not establish themselves in Iraq during his rule - and Iraqis with "Islamist" attitudes kept a low profile and their mouths shut.

That changed, of course, in 2003 with the American invasion. "Al Queda in Iraq" emerged to commit the worst attrocities that, more than anything, brought the sectarian feud that shattered the hitherto tolerant and amiable relationship between Sunnis and Shias - tearing Iraqi society to shreds. It will surely take Iraqi society a generation or more to recover.
Yes, the "Islamist" threat is real. But it does not lie in Iraq - and never did - but rather in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the region whence came the attacks we remember today (September 11) and the subsequent Islamist bomb attacks in London and Madrid.

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Ann Marie Dobely Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:41:21 GMT

The reason the coalition was formed, is that they believed the false info that was provided by the Whitehouse, as did Congress, so to say democrats voted for the war, is correct, what you fail to say is that their judgement was formed by the lies of the Whitehouse.

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Ann Gibson Dallas, TX — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:57:13 GMT

Yes, Iraq was invaded predicated by lies, why?, Bush told Intel services to find him a reason, so they find a sworn enemy of Saddam, and he went along and said, yea, he's got WMD, thus, we have a invasion, and scores of innocent dead.

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Alan Doe, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:26:27 GMT

I want to thank Jeff Hauf for his blog here and his service in Iraq. I have never been to Iraq and know nothing about what truly goes on there. Neither do most of the people posting blogs on here .

Alan in Atlanta

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Rafa, Baja, Mexico — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:24:25 GMT

To those who say that Sadam Hussein lied to the world and wanted the world to believe that he still had some U.S provided WMD and that the administration believed that (down goes hook, line and sinker) and in turn lied to the world about the WMD in Iraq, I will say this:

Normally, people and governments for that matter, believe what is most convenient for them to believe.

In addition, one would think that the most sophisticated intellegence services of the most powerful country in the world should be capable of sorting true from false data, and they are, and they did, but were not listened to, not convinient, instead the CIA head rolled for doing his job, and to further the case for war, the identity of a secret operative was exposed in revange against her husband for pointing out just one of the lies underlying the invasion of Iraq. I do not know if this amounts to high treason. So far none of the traitors have been punished.
Finally, does lying to the world about the same thing, for perverse although different reasons puts both S. Hussein and G.W.Bush in some kind of same group, box?

Be well

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Mike Marrs — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:41:22 GMT

We cannot leave, it is simple, remember Vietnam, when we pulled, Millions of South Vietnamese were slautered. If we left, everyone WE told to stand up and fight with us will be left defensless, and we will be seen as week. It would be bad for the US to lose to a regime of people, then again WW2 took 6 years and 1 day. And this has taken 7, I say finish the job, there is not pulling out now, unless you want the US to abandon Iraq and leave Millions for the slaughter, your choice.

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Denise Hanson Beaumont, CA — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:31:50 GMT

Thank you to all the True Patriots out there, I was taught by mother and I teach my kids, that Power that goes unbridled, well in the end defile itself, Iraq (and the false whitehouse info), Patriot Act which was a good idea at the start, but the Whitehouse tried to rewrite the Constitution, no its better for the people to keep them in check, or things like Iraq get way out of hand.

One last parting shout, agree with the blogger, who said people should pay more attention, to their grammer,forget it, this is the age of the text message, the younger people have there own grammer.

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ZFR Atlanta, Georgia — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:06:05 GMT

Hi Tom, again you are reporting the war stories from Baghdad.I thank you for the information and the true pictures of the battle areas you have transfered to us. The truth that you took so many risks just to let us know what is going on at that region of the world. Tom, a report from you can make a big change in the people mind. I read your stories about Iraq so I will know what kind of life and condition my relatives are suffering over their. I know you will be their reporting in every hot spot of the world. Reporters like you is not just for profit but for telling the world what is going on. I will always follow up with your stories reporting and I know that there are alot of stories still to come.I know even if all soldiers leave you will be still their to tell us the rest of the story. For now I wish you all the best, take care.

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Bob Berkeley — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:58:10 GMT

The war was built on a lie and no amount of death and bravery in fighting it makes it honorable or necessitates its continuation. Thousands are in their graves and thousands more are crippled in mind and body as a result of this criminality brought about by a lying President. Impeach meant for sure but a jail sentence for Bush and Cheney and their flunky minions would be better and far more just. Voting to end the butchery and to stop this disgrace. No way will we vote for the Republican fascist ticket.

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Joe Smith, Dallas, Texas — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:13:24 GMT

All of you people complaining about the war do not even understand how much good has actually happened over there. You have never even been there, all you know is what you've seen in the media. I have seen it first hand, and good has been done. And I personally would rather stay in Iraq, doing good things, than have, what seems, an unpatriotic president. And yes I think someone that can't even show respect to his own country flag is not only unpatriotic but treason! I wonder who that could be?

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John — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:44:14 GMT

A lot of people keep saying that our intrusion into Iraq was a mistake. Well what about doing away with one of the most brutal dictators to ever live. What about removing 550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium, that cost you the taxpayer a bundle. Making judgements without knowing all the facts is dangerous. Give our government leaders a little credit for having some sense, the American people don't have access to the information provided to our government leaders by our intelligence agencies. Chill!

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Theresa, Tucson, Arizona — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:53:33 GMT

The Iraqi government wants us out so they can turn against the Sunni Awakening groups, which are becoming a political force and hence a threat to the Shia establishment. Don't listen to them.

We ought to stay long enough to back up the Awakening so that it can turn into a full-fledged political party. Precisely BECAUSE the current Shia government is too Islamist oriented. The Awakening as a political party would pull Iraq away from Iran, and help secularize it more.

Then we can gradually draw down until we just have a couple of bases like in Kuwait.

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Joey, Milwaukee WI — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:13:45 GMT

Osama Bin Laden's intention was to Bring the Great Satan - America to Afghanistan because he felt that he could defeat us there. Unfortunatelely, despite what many Americans think, Al Qaida admitted that their frontline was in Iraq. I do not think its right that innocent people have perished and it makes me want to vomit thinking of those families and their loss, but I am greatful that our government has not stood idle waiting for our enemies to come back here like September 11th. The rest of the world may not like us, but bombings in India, Spain, and Turkey should remind the world and make conscious the reality that if we don't go to our enemies, they will come to us. If Iraq was a mistake or a lie for WOMD, I see what has been the truth - our troops killing Suicide bombers and taking sniper shots from Al Qaida in Baghdad, not Milwaukee, New York, or Seattle. We should be praying for our countries leaders to have Wisdom and to be in God's will: be it Bush, Barack or McCain. The circumstances facing our world now and in the past, must have God's hand, neither Barack or McCain can make all the right calls, know all the right decisions. But God ultimately chooses are fate - pray and then vote. Vote and then pray.

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Victor Noyes — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:16:19 GMT

The history of America's war in Irac will not be understood for a generation because facts are far more stubborn even than opinions. While Bush and Co. will no doubt continue sanitizing the historical record as much as it is possible from the ever more ominously ubiquitous digital record, they remain nevertheless, damned out of their own mouths. But while the evidence which remains will still no doubt reveal a frightened, reactionary greedy and vengeful U.S. decade, histoty's verdict will come only after all the consequences are clear.
Lessons follow mistakes, and errors may follow good judgement.
There is no other set of missed opportunities and better choices to hold our political opponenents accountable to: there is only the choice to move forward from where we are so that history is improved by how we manifest it's consequences.
Do we really hope to fail in Irac - to begrudge any news of progress - if only to prove Bush wrong and feel morally superior to the man chosen democratically to lead?(fairly - at least the second time..)On the other hand, are the liberals really cry babies to want guaranteed health care, protection from corporate greed, peace and some basic domestic attention? Let's not forget, most folks just want health and happiness - not wealth and power.
Must one fair arguement always insult another to win? ...even where winning creates just as many loosers? History will not judge who was right in Irac...any more than it has judged the horror of the Vietnam war against it's modern economic success. History will judge human affairs as it always has: by what forces came together to make lemonade - not by the ones bitterly failing to unsqueeze the lemons.

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Clement Dias, Katy, TX — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:00:57 GMT

The hatred of George W. Bush stemming from the loss of Al Gore in the election of 2000 has led a lot of people, especially the Democrats and the members of the media into losing sight of the consequences of withdrawing troops from Iraq prematurely. All of these people including Barack Obama are promising that our trrops should be withdrawn immediately.

Whatever the reasons for the anger against George W. Bush, for his alleged "lying", his mistakes, let us not compound it and then pay a much bigger price in the near future, and I mean the VERY NEAR FUTURE. Let us not make the very real sacrifice that our children have made in lives and limbs to satisfy our need for revenge against George W. Bush.

It is easy to listen to what we want to hear and there are enough people whose need to get even with or even, in their own minds, humiliate George W. Bush by premature withdrawal and then claim that he lost the war. We are a nation of people who care and I distictly remember the reporting from Iraq by our own media (NBC, CBS and ABC) in the 2-3 years before George W. Bush even started running for President, about the atrocities that Saddam Hussein was committing while under supposed UN supervision after the Gulf war of 1991. I remeber a particular statistic that nearly 150,000 children a month were dying of starvation while Iraq was supposedly under the OIL FOR FOOD program. I also recall the number of times our own media and intellectuals have talked about our country supporting dictators. When the most egregious of these dictators, SADDAM HUSSEIN, was taken out, many of the SAME CRITICS have been howling against it.

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Gary Peschell — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:48:15 GMT

Minor quibble with Ann Marie (NV): the Bush Administration did not so much "lie" to rev up support for invading Iraq as (very cleverly) "mislead" the public - and members of the US Congress - who were "ready" to be misled.
President Bush, in speech after speech, used the words "Saddam Hussein" "Iraq" "terrorists" "Al Queda" "Osama bin Ladenn" "attacks of 9/11" - in the same speech - usually in the same paragraph.
People not paying close attention linked - in their minds - Saddam Hussein with Islamic terrorists like Osama bin Laden.

The Bush administration at the same time (certainly willfully) ignored the fact that secular Middle East rulers like Saddam and Islamic extremists like Osama bin Laden tend to hate each other and are "natural enemies." (I've known this for over t 20 years.) And the news media did not raise this point often enough.
Of course Bush supporters have publicly stated over the last five years that Saddam Hussein had ties to Al Queda, which is, from the evidence available, a blatent "falsehood."

Millions of Americans believed President Bush's case for war with Iraq because they wanted to. Traumatized by the attacks of 9/11, they were ready to go to war against anyone they though connected with those events. Members of Congress were no more astute and many, I think, went along because it was "politically ssmart" to do so. (Senator Hillary Clinton wanted to look "tough on national security."

Now we get the same "rhetorical devises" to convince the American people that the Iraq war was justified after all - because "victory" in Iraq can be achieved after all:
- Keep telling the public that the violence is sharply reduced in Iraq because "the troop surge" months back (Supported by Senator John McCain!) is a success. But ignore the crucial role of the massive rejection of Al Queda in Iraq by Sunni fighters who stopped attacking Americans, formed the "Awakening Councils" and went on the American payroll.
And ignore the "truce" called by anti-American cleric Mouktada al Sadr.

And do not remind people that General Petreus - and other senor American officers over there consider the security situation still "fragile" and "reversable."

Define "victory" in Iraq to mean an American withdrawal without the place collapsing into bloody chaos. (Do not publically recall that Iraq was invaded to 1.) make Iraq a liberal democaracy 2) a staunch US ally, and 3) a "friend to Israel"

Finally, would the people who still support the Iraq war and who have actually been there please stop using their "in country" experience as an argument - in itself? (I do not, after all, consider my own views on the rights, wrongs, and strategic decisions of the Vietnam War any more valid than anyone elses just because I served there - in the infantry - from October '67 to March '68. I did not, for example get "the big picture" of the Tet Offensive of 1968 until I returned to base camp and read about it in Time Magazine.)

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Shannon Ms. — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:42:47 GMT

I am a proud service member who have been in several wars and deployed maney times, but i tell you this just like this i do not care to go to iraq and fight this sensless war. The middle east will not change in our lifetime, history shows it never has and biblical reference point to the destruction of our country for pride and arrogance.. I am tired of republicans down playing democrats when they have been in charge of the white house in the last 30yrs more than democrats. They are the ones who led the country to destructions, reaganomics, bushes war. Come on country wake up....
i am tired of losing freinds to this ghost enemy in which we can't see..

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jt, chicago — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:17:45 GMT

We cant just leave iraq. we made things worse in an effort to make them better.
the question is - what will our long term policy be regarding iraq.

Will mccain or obama make a plan to get out responsibly or a plan to maintain control over their internal politics and thus their oil.

I think obama is more likely to get out responsibly and then let iraq govern itself.
we need to spend our money not in war to protect oil interests but in efforts to make us independent from foreign oil over the next 10 years.

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dustin coos bay or — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:44:32 GMT

Why dose everyone on here talk like there everyday lives are effected by the war in Iraq. America isn't at war it's at the Mall Shopping. The U.S. Military is at war....