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A threat greater than the Taliban?

Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:09 PM
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Afghanistan's presidential elections, marred by allegations of widespread fraud, appear headed for a runoff,  but no matter what the outcome there appears little chance it will change the government's pervasive culture of corruption and crisis of confidence.

"Corruption?  Corruption?  The entire Karzai regime is corrupt!" Dr. Wadir Safi bellows in a fit of anger and frustration.  Outside Kabul University were Safi is a long-standing professor of International Law and Politics, a large crowd of students gathers as Safi delivers an impromptu lecture on what many here see as criminal behavior by President Hamid Karzai and his administration.

Safi has little confidence Karzai's challenger, Abdullah Abdullah could win in a runoff, but insists, "If Karzai is re-elected his government will be illegitimate.  The Afghan people will have "no confidence" in the government, he says.
 
But Safi, and many others from inside and outside the Afghan government who spoke with NBC News, stress that corruption here goes far deeper than fraudulent elections, and in fact infects virtually every level of the Karzai government and Afghan society.

"It's like the mafia" and Karzai is "Tony Soprano," according to one Afghan lawmaker.  "Almost everyone is on the take," from senior government officials, to provincial governors, to the local police.

One of the president's brothers, Walid Karzai, has been publicly accused of facilitating the flow of narcotics out of Afghanistan.  Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said recently that Karzai should throw Walid out of the country. But Karzai has taken no action against his brother.  In fact, in a highly controversial move, Karzai recently ordered five suspected drug dealers released from police custody before they faced any legal action.

One U.S. official involved in counter-narcotics operations tells NBC News that convoys carrying opium and heroin are routinely waved through police checkpoints and border crossings without a second glance. "The drug dealers buy the protection at the top" of the Afghan government.

A share of the money paid in bribes then trickles down to local police commanders and their officers.  Even more shocking, U.S. officials claim that on the way back into Afghanistan some of those same convoys are waved through the same checkpoints, this time carrying weapons that likely end up in the hands of the Taliban -- guns that are then turned on American forces.

This kind of government-sanctioned corruption is not confined only to the top tiers of the Afghanistan leadership or security forces, but infects all aspects and levels of society.  Business owners are frequent targets of criminal shakedowns, demands by government officials and police for illegal "taxes or tolls."  Even common laborers are forced to hand over three days’ worth of pay, the equivalent of about $30, to government officials to get a routine work permit.

In his assessment of the war that he sent to President Barack Obama, Gen. Stanley McChrystal warned that "widespread corruption and abuse of power" are as big a threat to the U.S. mission in Afghanistan as the Taliban insurgency.  There's some evidence that such rampant and blatant government corruption is driving many Afghans into the hands of the Taliban.

U.S. officials also worry that the Afghan people are beginning to believe that American presence here is only making matters, and their lives, worse. In the wake of the disputed elections, there appears to be a growing perception the Americans and their military are intent on "propping up" Karzai's corrupt regime. U.S. officials can argue that could not be further from the truth, but as Gen. McChrystal knows, in any counter-insurgency perception often trumps reality, and without the support of the people the war would most certainly be lost.

This presents the Obama administration with a critical dilemma.  If Karzai wins a runoff election, as most Afghans and U.S. officials expect, Obama may be forced to pressure him to clean house --  shake up his cabinet and roster of corrupt provincial governors or the U.S. and its military will pull up stakes and go home.  In the short term, neither appears likely.

The Obama administration may consider the consequences of a rapid pullout -- the potential for an Afghan civil war that could create another safe haven for al Qaeda and other extremists --  too great.  At the same time, to many Afghans, Karzai and his regime are beyond rehabilitation.

"When you wash a black cat," says Safi, the university professor, "it only gets more black."
As Obama considers sending more American forces into Afghanistan,
prospects could not be much darker.

 

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"There's some evidence that such rampant and blatant government corruption is driving many Afghans into the hands of the Taliban."  Sounds like american poliics, not some far away land. In 20 years, China may be here in the states, helping hold together the country it bought, complaining about the same thing.
It seems to be an epidemic within sections of the Islamic world.  I don't understand how some of these people can be "good Muslims" and still take bribes and other acts of corruption?  Can someone explain that?  Islamic clergy needs to speak out about that and the protection of the innocent.
Oh and why are we there again? Not one Afghani was on any plane that hyjacked this country on 9/11....a rag tag bunch of cave dwellers have brought this country to it's knees??? Follow the money and see if the REAL crimminals made out like bandits.....check the banks in Tel Aviv for the missing billions.
Corruption is a problem in all democracies, some more than others. But the level of corruption in all non-democratic nations is far greater. It doesn't make a difference if they are authoritarian dictatorships, police states, theocratic dictatorships or monarchies, the corruption varies from endemic to epidemic. To hold Afghanistan's newly emerging and embattled democracy to a higher standard than our folks in Washington is a bit hypocritical. And to allege that corruption in Afghanistan is a far greater threat than the mass murdering radical Islamic aggressors who are trying to conquer the country, is callous and outrageous.
Why is it in our interests to put up with corrupt SOB's? We're losing the "average Joe" afgan by supporting such clowns. Wouldn't it be better to "adopt" Afganistan, throw the bums out and start all over?
How many more soldiers do we have to loose before we finally wake up? What we are doing isn't working. We'd be far better off just handing the money to each individual Afgan - like a payday for all.
Wait, since when were the Taliban ever a threat to the U.S.?  
Does anyone ever proofread your World Blog copy?
The best news ever to happened is to Get the Hell out of ( AFGHANISTAN ) We are losing to many great men.
The sad part is that it is not the only country in the world were corruption is the order of the day. I am sure the Ukraine is one of the most corrupt coutries in the world. We have property there and one of their Government ministers is involved with trying to steal our property with the assistance of of the Millitia. These so called Raiders run rampant and are above the law, and destroy thousands of people per year. Several ambasadors of foreign countries know this , but can do nothing. Corruption rules the world
Once again, we try and 'liberate' a people only to have them turn and tell us we're making their lives worse and please go away.

When will we learn?
No matter how many Taliban you kill, how many government officials you replace, how many police officials you rid of etc..., there will always be extreme violence, horrible corruption, and no hope for this country. This is their way of life and all they know.
Tough choice, I say pull out of there and do air raids and suprise military attacks. Letting them live comfortably in their homeland lets them come out of hiding and easier to target the big guys.
The answer is pull our troops out of the country.  If the Taliban take over, they will clean house of the present goverment.  Taliban then can be put on notice that if they persist in war like activities against the USA, we should start bombing until there is no more threat.  
Can we just leave Afghanistan already?
I say give the General what he needs to win this War .
Or bring our troops home .Everyday it gets worse over there .Let them fight for there own freedom .How many people have to die ??????????
I have a son who will go to Fort Drum in December for deployment in March. These people are nuts and we can not tell one from the other. Get the heck out of there.Bomb those mountouns until they are just a hole and get out soldiers out of harms way.
This corrupt narco-state is propped up by American blood and treasure, such a tragedy.  Bring our troops home now.  The Afghanistan War makes the Vietnam War look almost winnable by comparison.  
Who do you think would collaborate with foreign occupiers? The most criminal and corrupt in society.
Can it be any more obvious that this is an untenable situation in Afghanistan?  If the Moguls, Alexander the Great, the British, and the Russians couldn't tame the tribalism of Afghanistan, how can the Americans hope to have a different outcome.  We learned in Viet Nam that this type of war will only result in complete failure and the time has come for us to pull out and ensure that the same fate doesn't befall Pakistan.  For now Pakistan is not a failed state, but with continued pressure from the Afghan frontier it may not be far behind and the consequences of this are far greater than the fall of Afghanistan.
You either come to terms with the fact that you're going to kill a million innocent civilians to win a war (which this has only ever been a conflict), and be okay with it, or you find a diplomatic solution to your problems.  There is no middle ground, unless your goal is to squander a treasury trying to lose.

It seems to me that the only real threat in Afghanistan is the United States' unwillingness to do what is necessary to win.  I can only imagine trying to convince MacArthur that not firebombing the paper houses in Tokyo was the way to beat Japan civilians would die, or that razing Dresden was too harsh a tactic because there were people sleeping in homes surrounding war factories.

Instead, we drop leaflets over cities like Fallujah warning the residents that Marines will be assaulting them in 24 hours because we'd rather be ineffective than risk actually fighting a real conflict that we can win.

Such is the same in Afghanistan, so instead of fearing us like they should and being beaten into submission, we're stuck with some red-headed brat kid that can't be taken out to a restaurant without having a scene.

Again, you either do, or you don't.  Half-assed is something losers and lazy bums do, and as far as I'm concerned, that's not the American Way of action.

So the Afghan people are starting to think our presence is having a negative effect on their lives?  That's only because we haven't taken the time to show them just how bad we can make things over there...

Otherwise, we just have no business being there at all.
It seems clear that there's no way to "win", whatever that means, in Afghanistan. We either pull out or settle in for a very long (read: decades) occupation.
Why is there still a problem with guns and Opium transportation when you can transform the poppy fields that the whole world knows is there into a series of deep craters? Its a problem because this is a proxy war for the military industrial complex.(like HALLIBURTON which Mr. Dick Cheney has extremly close ties too). he doesent care if people are dying, his plausibly deniable companies are making more money than your family lineage has collected since it was first started.

If you want to solve a problem erase the poppy farms from  Afghanistan and plant NON-GMO food (the kind that Creation made, the ones that can reproduce by themselves and not have to be re-bought every season from the United Nations by the Afghani People) and then leave and come back with friendly technologies of all kinds.

In Fact I challenge the leaders who want us to believe they are what they say they are to turn Afghanistan into the example of what a place of Self-sufficiency and peace looks like, I know the funds exist, I'd like to know if you can put them to the benefit of others rather than yourselfes. Let us see how people act towards each other when they are not living in squalor, hunger, and oppression.

I also urge mainstream media to become more pro-active in reporting on their own financial partners.
this is one of the reasons we have to leave this country..
I am a stuach republican and a former Viet Nam Veteran. Its very simple stop the BS get Pakistan which we are buying to squeeze from the eastt and we go into the tribal regions from the west and anilaite these idiots. Or just throw up our hands and surrender like O'bam a and his trusted left , Biden etc. bellieves. American men are dying . and this is not going to go away on its own !.Please do not turn this into another hopeless Viet Nam !

Thomas J. Mazeikas
It sounds very much like some democracies!! The U.S. government just announced that the deficit is $1.42 Trillion for this year. That is 1,420,000,000,000 dollars!! At the same time Goldman Sacks announced a profit during one quarter of $5.4 Billion (that is 5,400,000,000 dollars). The tragedy is that the U.S. government lent money to Goldman Sacks for free and the smart Goldman turned around and lent it to the American People with the market interest attached!! cheers everone!!!!!!!!!!!!
The US has shown that it's incapable of fostering a free democracy in Afghanistan and it appears that we're simply backing the lesser of two evils.

Unfortunately, we have killing and destroying down pat.  We need to pull out and simply tell whoever ends up in power (be it Karzai and his cronies or the Taliban) to keep their crap (drugs, corruption, terrorism, ideology) inside the borders.  Every time they don't, we topple them at the top.  No occupation, no negotiations, no compromise.  Scorch earth the poppy fields.  Kill any government official who demonstrates a willingness to create issues outside the borders--from the president down to village elders.  Other than that, permit the country to find it's own way; whatever that way will be.  Support any positive behavior with aide and trade goods.  Otherwise, leave them be.
Pf.Dr Safi is right. He is speaking from the heart of Afghan people and The corrupted Government of Afghanistan which is 50 percent made by Pakistan and the other fifty by the United States and European countries. The producer and the consumer. The Bush Administation and European countries including the UK did not have any constructive plan for afghanistan before the invasion. I think this will cost afghans another Revolution, or even civil war to get rid of this international Mafia.
I have no doubt that government corruption poses a threat even greater than the Taliban to the stability of Afghanistan.  However, the issue of corruption can only be handled internally by Afghans.  We will never be able to impose, nor should we attempt to impose, change upon a government so rife with corruption.

But quite frankly, I care little for how the Afghans view our presence in their nation.  After a near-decade of American blood being spilled to eject and dismantle terrorist groups who use Afghanistan as a staging ground for global attacks all while the Afghans do little to nothing to police their own sovereign borders themselves, we need to stay until we get it right, regardless of how Afghanistan feels about it.  To clarify, by "getting it right" I mean to reduce the presence and influence of the Taliban and Al-Queda in Afghanistan to a debilitating level.  

If the Afghans don't approve of our actions, then they should do it themselves.  Otherwise, I must reiterate my own disregard for Afghan opinion.  Perhaps they can not share in our own motivation, an unyielding motivation ignited by attacks on our own soil.

To understand the situation through a different lens, allow me to draw an analogy- thousands of anti-Afghanistan terrorists organize and plot attacks on Kabul for years in the remote regions of Montana.  The terrorists launch a successful attack, killing thousands of Afghans, in Kabul.  Fully aware that the terrorist stronghold is located in Montana, the USA acts and Afghanistan has no need to invade the USA.  Why?  Because the USA immediately launches a counter-strike against the terrorists holed-up in Montana, effectively destroying or capturing all members of the terrorist group within weeks.  The USA proves that it controls its own borders and acts decisively to the benefit of both Afghanistan and the USA.

Simplistic, yes, but we are not seeing such obviously righteous and cooperative action from the Afghans.  In my opinion, their inaction gives us the right to decide how this ends.  I have my doubts as to whether the Afghan people will ever support our efforts, but their lack of support should not constitute our withdrawal.  We take the action, we give our blood, we decide.  Not them.                
Why all the hoopla over Karzai? What would anyone expect from a George Bush appointee but incompetence.
Who would expect anything less from a BUSH appointee than dishonesty, corruption, and incompetence. Republicans think that stuff is cute.
 I spent 13 yrs in the US military as an Army brat and a 3 yr enlistment at age 18. I was RA all the Way-regular Army.  I volunteered and went to Viet Nam in 70-71.  Heroin was rampant and the CIA and our ARVN allies were neck deep in it.  They sold it to GI's as an $88,000,000 yearly business.  War is always about a dollar bill.  Heroin will follow our GI's home as long as we stay in Afghanistan.  Al-Qaeda will never invade and occupy my country. I have no fear of a terrorist flying a plane into my house.  That is a manufactured fear.  The military industrial complex needs fear to exist.  As for all the eager wannabe fobbits and remfs, leave your jobs and your families high thyself down to the local Marine recruiter and volunteer for Afghanistan. Xin Loi
Forcing democracy is a ridiculous notion. Besides, what is "Democracy"? It is a contest where the most efficient liars are rewarded with ultimate power. That makes it the worst system, not the best. By installing "democracy" around the world, we guarantee fellow world leaders are corrupt, lying manipulators of the people.
Jim,..so we "punt" or retreat/redistribute resources? Well, today it seems Cobras to SWztn, border launch Western iRAN or just come home. Let's not 'Tet a '68 or quit.  Unles you consider massive immediate withdraw from combat, followed by immediate strikes high in Afghan policy.  Shut up and go home like the rest.  Then push buttons and throttle the snake in the mountain Bin Laden.
J n Memphis
This is just further evidence how the elite in America help another elite in different parts of the world.
Afghanistan is a prime example. The elitists use America's sons and daughters, usually not their own, to prop up wealthy and notoriously corrupt elite in Afghanistan. They don't give a hoot if your son or daughter fall for their cause.
The present administration just continues in the status quo for the wealthy while laughing straight into your face.
Who started this, Obama's "czars", or ACORN?
We need to get out now and focus on making pakistan more stable. The terrorist can plot actions against us from any location. If we move out they will leave Pakistan and return to Afghanistan making Pakistan safer.
All the money spent on making war could be spent on making our borders more secure and in helping the Pakistani's combat terrorism through school building and education.
Perhaps President Obama should meet with President Karzai so Obama can get a man-to-man sense of who Karzai is.  Obama seems very skilled at sizing up the individuals with whom he must deal, as well as situations of national concern.  If Karzai presents as a thief and thug (however slick), Obama should be able to figure that out.
With all respect to the soldiers and sailors,marines fighting this war the article does not surprise me one bit.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  We are dealing with a third world mind set, not our own.  These people are going to manipulate no matter what.  There is only one thouht process that third world people invovled in such destructive behaivors recognoze-force.  Unrelenting pressure and campaigns that seek and destroy all combatants and sympythizers.  Allowing these sort of people to get away with this ssort of deviance only fuels their belief that we as Americans are weak.  That couldn't be farther from the truth.  We are a very strong nation that shouldn't train these people to fight before the war is over.  Go in, destroy all opposition, sit in the hole for awhile, wait for them to rise up then destroy them again.  If we allow the corrupt mind set to breed and not take out all that think alike then this is futile.
I think the way to win the war in Afghanistan is to bring in troops with a bunch of lawn mowers and mow down the major concentrations of poppy fields, replacing the crop with solar  panels power. This will forces the Taliban to attack the projects and bring victory. Just like Longstreet's proposal of how the South might have been able win to the U.S. Civil War,
I believe the U.S. should immediately remove all of our troops from Afganistan. It is a situation that is "unwinable"! Lets get out before it becomes another Viet-Nam!
There is no surprise here. Whole of south ASIA ia cursed with corruption. Elected officials act like Mafia rather then leader of people. Not sure why US want to get thir Young Ones defending that kind of governments or people. US should just contain these areas and get out of there. No point giving your money and blod for nothing. And we have already killed enough Alquedas to avenge 911.
Peter Galbraith and Peter Bergen could use their considerable clout to stop the corruption and weapons trading: publish the feasibility study for a re-count - and give the professor present of a marmalade cat!
How, after all these years of conflict in the name of democracy, do we allow ourselves to be manipulated by the corrupt and disolute criminals such as Karzai and his foul crew. Is our government blind, or do they not care that they waste the substance of our people and our country on these useless turds? Why do we allow Our government to ignore the obvious will of the people of this country? Where is our common sense?
 After 9-11 President Bush was compelled to take some action and the purpose was to punish the people who were responsible--he gave them a punch in the nose and since then the situation has gone down hill.
A strong American border is a key to  Americas safety-We do not have to isolate ourselves from the world we simply control any illegal activity that attemps to cross the boarder. With  the vast amount of resources we are wasting in Afganistan we could have the world class border control and stop the sacrifice of American soldiers in a country that will never be a demorcracy---
To the Afghans, the Taliban are the lesser devil.  Are there no Taliban from the old anti-Soviet coalition we can work with?  Karzai is Bush's devil.  Obama should make his own deal with the lesser devil in this game - the "moderate" Taliban.  Surely the Paks can point us in the right direction since that has been their game all along.
This is such a load of crap, I mean where do you guys get off trying to convince the public that the US is actually trying to slow down the drug problem?  Ever since the US has gone into afghanistan, the opium production and exporting has increased by 1000 fold... ridiculous, I mean first we see the same types of people do the contra scandal in the 80's and then you guys expect us to swallow some hogwash about "trying to curb the narcotics" its the exact same thing all over again, the US is funding the Taliban by helping them sell their opium in return for more conflict, so that they can scare people back home into supporting the war of terror that the US started back in 2001... This stuff might work on your american citizens, but us up here in Canada see whats going on (That still doesnt mean that our politicians have any spine though)
I find that most of this article is no suprize, but what does amaze me is how long it has taken for the issue to surface as a primary detrement.
 Can you name a single corruption free mexican official? How about a Russian? Hey , can you name 10 American ones? What about the U.N?
 It seems to me that the entire globe is functioning,
on a payoff system, that bennefits the ELITE, at the expense of the have-nots. Justice, constitutions, and laws, appear to be meaningless, as this trend sweeps the globe.
While corruption is nothing new, the magnitude, and international scope of it is growing.
 I am deeply convinced that the push for one world government (GLOBALIZATION) is the culprit that is driving this growth.
Afgahnistan is cought up in a crossfire of multiple conflicts, that can only be solved by massive bloodshed, where the victor takes all. What do they win? A nation with a builtin need for more money than can be generated legally.  
We are really fighting Pakistan, and Iran at this point, and not so much the Taliban, or AlQuida.

     The politics of this war are corrupt.
Why else do we not go into Pakistan? Or Iran, and root the problems out? Where is the commitment from NATO members? The UN?
 Has the war on drugs been sucessful in any nation ever in history? No, it fuels the funds to further more war.
 Is Karzai using drug money to fight the Taliban, who use drug money to fight the US, who's drug policies force up the value of drugs? Who's drug wars have solved nothing, but widen the corruption?
   There are ten laws in the cosmos that have any value. God gave them to Moses. The rest of them have little value. The rest of everything is a matter of personal values, and perceptions. The world is really really sick. There is no fixing it. Wars are a physical exchange of clashing values. Values are cultivated in the human heart. They are bought and sold, rank and file.
We are training 90 thousand Afgan troops to secure themselves. How is that going to be possible when the people we are training are high on opium and smoking hashish? train men that are of moral value. Stop publising these men and thinking that they are muslim. If anyone knew the meaning of Islam and were followers of the Prophet Muhammed (swat) this would not be an issue to be discussed. Please call these people by there name and stop associating muslim as synonomus with these corrupt people.
it sound like in America,all officials are corrupt one way of the other. the latest the health mafia and before we noted the bank mafia and wall sreet mafia.Mr President do us a big favor order the troops home to defend our freedom here not the mafia's
I agree with Earl Wienke, from Wi.The "good old boy" system is alive and well all over the world.  Corruption fed by greed controls everything and the elite have the power of life or death over the have-nots.  We cannot force our values upon other countries because our country (the United States of America) is about as corrupt as any of them but maybe more subtle and in different ways.  We cannot lead the world to a better life because we are in such trouble ourselves we can't keep our own country going in a reasonable manner.  This is a sad state of affairs but lets clean up our own house first.


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