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Trying to green the growing Gobi Desert

Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:51 AM
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BUREN SOUM, CENTRAL PROVINCE, Mongolia – In Beijing, we're used to hearing about the problems of desertification. 

Roughly 400 million people in China and a third of its land are affected by desertification – the consequence of several factors that include not just climate change but misguided farming policies, deforestation and drought. Some estimates say, at this rate, roughly one million acres of grassland in China are being devoured by the desert each year. 

But desertification knows no boundaries, especially when it entails the Gobi Desert. Not only is Asia’s largest desert expanding from north to south across China, it’s creeping south to north, too, farther into Mongolia.

VIDEO: Mongolian's battle the growing Gobi Desert
"Seventy percent of our territory is affected by desertification," said Tsognamsrai, a project officer with the United Nations Development Fund (UNDP) in Ulaan Baatar.  (Like most Mongolians, he goes by just one name. But fortunately, for tongue-tied Westerners like us, he has a nickname: Namsrai.)

Adapting to the Gobi’s spread
An ecologist by training who used to teach at the Agricultural University of Mongolia, Namsrai has seen first-hand the impact of the growing Gobi.

For two years now, he's been working with local communities in the Middle Gobi – the northernmost reaches of the desert – to help them combat desertification.

"We should change people’s attitudes towards the natural ecosystem," he said. "People [are] trying to use the ecosystem and the natural resources, but people need to understand they need to do something to improve the…living environment."

Knowledge and adaptation are key to Namsrai’s effort. In Buren Soum, in Mongolia’s Central Province, for instance, the population has been shrinking – from 5,000 in the 1990s to now about 600. As a result of increasing desertification, people have been fleeing, literally, for greener pastures.

A longtime resident, Erden, said the environment has changed dramatically. "When I was small, the grass grew easily," he recalled. "But now during the spring, it's very dry. And there are sandstorms everywhere, much more than before."

We could see small piles of sand that had blown up against the fences surrounding every property.  "(The sand) affects my health," said Erden. "I cough, sneeze, and have more allergies."  

Still, the shopkeeper said he wouldn't leave.

"I'm 45 now. I have nowhere to go," said Erden, who owns a corner shop in this dusty one-horse town.

Like many, Erden believes the problem is not just climate change but also herding – in particular, raising goats. "The number of goats has increased, and some people say they’re destroying the pasture land."

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Raising goats may turn a profit, but ecologists say it's hard on vegetation.
 
Trying to halt overgrazing
Goats, say environmentalists, are hard on the land because they chew the grass down to the roots. And herders in recent years have increased the numbers of their livestock because they make a decent profit from selling the goat hair to cashmere producers. 

"It’s like ruining your future because of today’s cash," said Lkhamdulam Natsagdorj, executive director of People Centered Conservation, a grassroots non-governmental organization.

But eliminating the practice of herding isn’t a realistic option.

Nomadic herding is as much a part of Mongolia as the vast steppes that occupy about half of the country.

In fact, shepherds have played a long historical role in Mongolia's economy just as hunter-gatherers or warrior horsemen did thousands of years ago. Today half of the country's population are herders who depend on their livestock.

"I don’t think there’s a way to change the lifestyle. It’s really unique. This is our tradition," said Natsagdorj.  "But I think there’s a way to regulate and govern it. Governing the situation and also to use these adaptive methodologies, and also by economic policy, it should be manageable."

And there is a precedent for good practices and methodologies. "We have a really good tradition [in herding]," noted Namsrai. "Ten years ago, people used to use their pasture in rotation because they had good knowledge about it. But after the [end] of socialism, people didn’t have much knowledge [about] how to use the pasture properly."

Adrienne Mong
Myagmarbaatar, who is usually a goat herder, tries his hand at farming.

Greening the desert

One solution, overseen by the UNDP in Buren Soum, is teaching herders the benefits of rotating pasture land. Nearby, in the temporary settlement of Bayangbalak, seven nomadic herding families last year planted a vegetable plot.

They grow potatoes, cabbages, carrots, and other vegetables, which they will harvest in the autumn, explained one of the herders, Myagmarbaatar, who had never farmed before, but said he now understood the value of rotating the land for grazing.  In the winter, he continued, they would use the patch of land as a reserve pasture for their livestock.

"It wasn’t difficult trying to farm here," he said. "We are quite satisfied."

The UNDP is also encouraging non-herders to cultivate a green thumb – similar to the Green Wall of trees built across the border in China – to help stem the spread of the desert and to ease the impact of sandstorms. 

Erden, the shopkeeper in Buren Soum, recently began to grow a small garden, using donated seedlings and relying on water that comes from a newly installed irrigation system funded by the UNDP.

Sitting in shade cast by his house, he gestured across a garden path to the handful of plants thriving under the blazing desert sun. "Planting trees will help keep the Gobi back," he said.  "The land will be renewed again so there will be fewer sandstorms."

"But the main thing is the plants give the land moisture and softens it. It smells very nice," he added, smiling. "Maybe in two or three years, I will have lots of trees and then I can lie in the shade of my trees."

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If we can pump oil and gas from the ground and mine coal from underground pits we can de-salinate ocean water. It may be expensive, but so is starvation, drought, disease and unemployment. With new desalination technology and nuclear energy it would even be the green way to go. Maybe in a generation we'll be calling it the Gobi forest
Um, can we try to terra form the planet Earth before we waste money going to Mars? Don't we have enough deserts here to reverse without spending money worrying about the desert planet Mars? What about the deserts forming in western Kansas and Nebraska, now that the Buffalo are gone...
It is so important for everyone to do their part. Some people think that gardening is too difficult, but as Erden proved, it can be done. If THEY can do it in the GOBI desert, we're all at a much bigger advantage in most parts of the world. GO GREEN!
I want to see how many so-called right wing will respond that this is a natural phenomenon..just like global warming and the rapid extinction of species during this era...OPEN YOUR EYES AND WAKE UP!!!
This is a great idea, i think more of this type of re-planting should also happen in the Amazon as deforestation is making a big impact on the greenhouse gases.
Lots of Luck to the Mongolians trying to reverse the spread of the Gobi Desert but they're definitely fighting an uphill battle.  They ought to ask the farmers in the lower San Joaquin Valley here in California what happens when they turn desert into farmland and a drought comes along.  They'd better hope they have a massive supply of water because it takes a lot of water to turn deserts green.
An important issue for mongolia and China as this region goes forward, and the water tables continue to drop.

One example that should be pointed out is where the World Bank worked with China in an 10km2 area of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loess_Plateau Loess Plateau.  Over the course of 10 years, the partnership between local officials, herders, WB,and others, this area was restored.

A fantastic documentary on this area called lessons of the loess plateau was filmed by John Liu. http://sites.asiasociety.org/chinagreen/

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www.china-crossroads.com
www.cleanergreenerchina.com
If we would just go Nuclear we would need far less oil and other forms of burning energy...
The trouble with this world today (including its leaders and politicians), there is still just too much talk and lack of or reluctance in ACTION! Enough has been said about Climate Change/Global Warming. Its ACTION time and together we all as ordinary people can do our part no matter where we are.
Water is precious and the Giver of Life. Desertification we must all understand and help control and contain. As individuals, let us all start by doing our part even though most of us may live "far from the Gobi Desert"!
It will help ensure a better future for us all.
Doug, I fail to see how nuclear power is 'green'  Do people tend to forget the mountains of radiated waste and spent nuclear rods that have to be dealt with?  Sure, there are no carbon emissions but I'll take the carbon over the nuclear waste any day.
It is called population control people.  We have enought land on earth to support life, it is just there are certain people not deemed worthy to occupy it.  China has been doing it for years in their area and Africa is a great example of it presently.  'It's a Good Life'.
I remember around 1965-1975. They were talking about how the Africans were overgrazing. They were expanding the Sahara Desert.  c4logic Kansas was the Great American Desert in early 1800's. You go out there now and we have a lot more trees thanks to Global Army.
i beleive in global warming because of the junk we put into the air but i dont think its coming as fast as they say. Not a real hot summer over most of the usa and now its getting cold and they say it could be one of the coldest here in the east and if it was getting warm so fast we would be getting hotter waters and bigger hurricanes, so far we have been spared this year.
The issue really seems to be food security for the Mongolian people. Irrigation is an expensive and unrelaible way to provide that (although I'm glad that the people have enough food now.) The important point is that knowledge was lost as Mongolia went through socialism. This knowledge must be sought out before those who have it pass on. It is the knowledge of how to live in balance with a semi-arid environment.
c4logic

It never ceases to amaze me how very little people know about what has come out of the manned space missions.  The technology from the moon missions, including the very computer your using to write on this blog, better fuel cells, and so much more has enriched our life here on earth many times over.  A mission to Mars would do that for us again, and the cost 100 billion is a litter drop in the bucket.  Compare that to 750 + billion  to bail out some banks that should have been left to drown anyway!
This is just one of many warnings of a bigger change to come. The movie "HOME" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU offers a stunning visual explanation.  Please share it and get involved! Time is ticking.
Let's go nuclear...wait, the environmentalists hate that. Too much waste.
Make sure you have plenty of water...wait, the green party in Oregon won't huge surpluses from the Columbia River to be diverted to California.
Deserts in Kansas and Nebraska now that the buffalo are gone!!!???

The solutions are not very hard at all. The problem is the voices that insist nothing be done unless it is perfect. There has to be waste. we have to share water and there are no new deserts in the heartland.

the gentleman mentioned overpopulation in his comment. how accurate when you consider the ever increasing price of food, the large number of people without food or water and an unstable global economy and the insistance by some people to breed more than they can afford or the world can support. carbon emissioins may not be the only emmission that needs to be controlled.
JR Jake: Mongolia only has a population of 5 million, but a country larger than California.  How does population control have anything to do with this article.  

I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Mongolia.  I am glad to see more efforts directed towards this problem.
Sometimes I think we are just fighting an uphill battle with natural selection and species extinction. Perhaps its just about our time to go.
this seems like a chance for people to really show they are thinking,, i had said for a long time that with the ever srinking beaches and the ever growing deserts, they should create some sort of program to swap sand for ocean water the dead fish alone mixed into the dying plant growth would give it much help in growing again.

sand for water im telling ya get a to way pump going.
Why is climate change thrown into this article?  The Gobi desert is growing due a geological fact...it is called rain shadow effect. The Himalaya's, and connecting ranges, are still growing.  The Indian Plate is being subducted under the Eurasian Plate causing the mountain to keep growing. It is fact that a large mountain range creates a rain shadow effect that creates a desert environment on the back side.  This is also seen with Death Valley, and the Mojave Desert. It is not climate change, just the Earth changing.  look it up
Take one resource owned by nobody (grasslands) add a bunch of people that exploit that resource for a living (goat herders) and viola, desert!

If the People don't limit the grazing or force the herders to pay the consequences of their destruction, this kind of thing will happen every time.  Sadly, ownership doesn't seem to be enough.  Humans don't seem to be that far sighted.
I grew up southern border of Mongolia, my parents didn’t have to “box” the sand for us to play for sure.Irrigation is the number one issue in Gobi desert, and many other isolated areas. I have traveled many parts of the USA and admire the abundance of water, lake, river everywhere. I don’t necessarily think Gobi is going green, for time being. The scarce vegetation is ruined by  thousands of truck that roam back and forth moving the abundant supply of natural resources, (coal for now)  Sound/strict environmental policy is not in place, unfortunately.
lets fill the desert with black solar panals and heat the earth to 125 or use natural gas to desal water and put it in the desert !! you decide green idiots
f.. green real green is bring water to arid areas, to do this we need to harness power and nuclear power plus desalinization and oumping stations are the answer. The greenies are a religous cult and are not green at all. Mostly red.

Yes let help people and solve problems. Raise people up not make them all at some same low level. Cheap energy, plenty of clean water and freedom to excel will erase most of our problems. Worried about CO2 plant trees and grass. Also that will retain moisture in the ground and naturally cool the area.

We can do nothing about the sun, we did nothing when they cut the Amazon forests but we can plant and bring cheap energy and water to the poor of the world.
bo pensacola fla, I'm glad you believe. Like you experience, we won't necessarily notice worsening year after year. Changes will make for greater rainfall in some areas, and temporary better climates in others. The critics will draw on that.

But it's the average over many years where we see the change. All we need to do is look at the science. CO2 levels are off the charts, water temps and levels are rising, deserts expanding, glaciers disappearing, etc... So we are definitely headed in that direction. Sadly, and contrary to what you and I experience in any given year, we are discovering that global warming is actually occurring faster than initially estimated.
We need ditch oil consumption and nuclear power. We need renewable energy sources such harnessing energy via solar, wind and ocean currents. I like the idea of taking ocean water, desalinizing it to reduce desertification. Expensive yes, but like what another poster said, it will be more expensive to deal with problems of desertificaiton.

I believe a free market system can co exist with environmentally friendly policies. When new ideas of providing products and services emerge they have to be weighed against of how that impacts the enviornment as opposed to just implementing because it profitable. What is profit worth if you ruin the very environment you live in. The farmers in Mongolia are examples of this, how they can maintain their goat raising in order to be profitable and the sametime be good stewarts of the environment by implementing farming rotations.

Like other have said, we can all do our part and we need to for our survival.

I think in addition to addressing desertification, we need to seriously look at the health of our oceans and how we can stop using them as landfills.
If environmental groups such as, Green Peace, Sierra Club etc., would focus their attention on third world countries (who are the greatest polluters) maybe we would see a drop in the carbon emissions. Keep the third worlders from raising animals that eat the young plants below ground level, cutting trees and poor land stewardship causing desertification. Stop the large companies from cutting the rain forest down for the exotic hardwoods. If the U.N. would address these problems instead of pointing the finger at the U.S. all the time, something would get done. As it stands, the U.S. has done more to alleviate the worlds pollution than any other country in the world. By the way, there is not a mountain of nuclear waste. I would rather have the nuclear waste than tons of carbon emitted into the air. Get real folks, wind and solar power are not the answer. They are just a nice addition to the power supply.
When the gov. is taxing you at a rate that will put you and your neighbor in the same condition of planting your food and herding goats maybe you’ll wake up and understand climate change and why it happens. But no, all you loons want to get on the climate change band wagon feel you’ve done your part and get back in your Corp. jet or SUV and ride away into the sun set.  Like Maria doesn’t know that   global warming and climate change are one in the same that why you should not say or do anything you are the most misinformed people on this Earth. The article talks about climate change not as the main point of the story but of the farming and goats herding and how a simple change in thinking helps recover land.You stupid people who want to push how bad is climate change/global warming all that is so bad we are willing give millions to the Van Jones and Al what’s his name with no questions ask. If there is global warming/ climate change how do we get the rest of the world to play along with this game called global warming/ climate change?  Some of you green experts need to answer that question. By the way Obama is 6 short months and weaken this country that if we bring up global warming/ climate change they would not be able to stop laughing they may just tell us to piss off.
With the newest generation of nuclear reactors that recycle spent fuel, the issue of nuclear waste storage is circumvented.  Just look at the fleet of naval nuclear powered ships and submarines if you want to see the promise of nuclear generated power. I say desalinate, irrigate these arid lands and nuclear energy is the solution
One of the earlier messages states it is not a very hot summer here in the US. Perhaps as an average across the entire country it is not. However, here in San Antonio we have seen 59 days over 100 degrees. The previous record was 36 and we are likely to hit number 60. It is the hottest year in our history by a long shot. The two year drought is worsening and we are losing native plants as well as old established live oak trees. The Austin American Statesman reports the City of Austin is cutting hundreds of its city owned trees due to them dying off. One can see trees defoliating and crashing to the ground in surrounding forests. This may be a relatively cool year for the rest of country but not in the bottom half of Texas. Global warming is here; we need to act.
Desertification can be reversed, with careful planning, patience, planting the right vegetation, and (sorry Eric in Salinas) it does NOT require massive amounts of water (actually, the problems of the Salinas Valley have as much to do with bad water laws as with misuse of the land). Reforestation is occuring right now in Central Africa with massive tree planting programs. It's also beginning to happen in the Amazon as governments are starting to wake up to the devastation caused by ranching and mining.
Nuclear is NOT a viable answer. The mine tailings from uranium mining are just as deadly (and kill more people) than the radioactive waste products. What would really help would be for all of us to turn off our lights now and then, and walk more instead of driving everywhere.
Oh, and JR Jake--population control won't help if the viable land is lost to desertification.
And, bo pensacola--it IS happening as fast as they say. Maybe even faster. More heat in the atmosphere does not necessarily mean hotter temperatures everywhere. It does mean there is more energy in the atmosphere, resulting in more EXTREME conditions, which includes hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, droughts, floods, windstorms, etc.
Sounds like a good place to grow Jatropha trees for production into biodiesel, as it doesn't require much rain or good soil to grow, produces oil for 30 years, and would provide an alternate cash crop to the local economy.
for Dave edelstein

Please read the article again.  Crop and herding rotation wasn't lost to socialism.  It was taught and practised by the Mongolian government and people during socialism, but has been lost since the country went from socialism to capitalism, with it's emphasis on I, me, mine and it's neglect of others.

There are positives and negatives to both systems, but combining the worst of both causes problems.  On a global basis, one of those problems has been and continues to be desertification.
I lived in the gobi dessert for 5 years,I was there working for mine exploration.I got to know local customs,It `s hard to change there habits,they are very hardworker but don`t have any support from outside world.I`m sure if someone can supply seeds to grow that would make the biggest differants,it hard to make something out of nothing.This would be in human best intrest.
I believe that businesses and home owners should use more solar power. More cities/states should go with wind energy and solar farms. Someone needs to figure out how to deal the the carbon problem to clean up our air. If the power companies are not in line with this, then they needs to be the one to install wind and solar systems.
Desertification is everyone's problem. As the plant life dies the CO2 that was once fixed by the plants is released into the atmosphere in a self feeding loop that propagates desertification. Solar powered technology that pulls moisture out of the air is a green and real technology that could break this cycle. Nuclear depends on a finite non-renewable resource. We have to have renewable energy sources to make this work.
Living in harmony with the earth requires some effort.
The earth will respond to our wisdom and learning, or our ignorance and greed, our choice.
With everyone wanting the world in their own images,  nothing will get done.  All I ask for is that the turn around of this planet be swift and in
order.  My daddy always told me you can't please everyone. Well if everyone would get on the same page and stay on the same schedule... well then you would
get a little accomplishment , then another , then another. YOU SEE.  Peanut farmers know the importance of protein.  Simple is the way to go.  And for heat I
would prefer the government run our companies and everyone pitchin and help.
Growth without limits is like charging on a credit card without a limit. The "chickens come home to roost", as they say, and we are beginning to pay for our unmitigated expansion during the industrial revolution in hungry people, polluted air, water and food supplies. The "hands off" approach to birth control and religion has allowed people to reproduce in areas of the world most deficient in resources to support the added population.
Capitalism has produced powerful concentrations of wealth in a few peoples hands who are content to maintain control for their specific families, regardless of the state of the region's or the world's health. Alternative energy mandates should be imposed on oil companies. Carbon contributing consumer goods should be heavily taxed and in some cases, outlawed.
In the 1800's, you rode into a small town, laid out your claim, killed any indigenous people who stood in your way, leveled land, built structures, irregardless of environmental impacts and had 12 children to be enslaved on your farm or business. Today you can't and shouldn't(in my opinion) get away with this type of irresponsible development, as it may impact everyone on some level, if not immediately, at some point in the future. Hell, the only discrimination allowed today is the choice of your mate, whereas you can turn down advances of someone unattractive to your taste. Make that an employee or a customer and you have legal problems.

Gobe desert? Plant Saltgrass or energy grasses for use in biomass production for direct burning in Coal Fired Electric Generation plants.
The United Nations could engage an initiative to identify the critical world environmental locations and levy all nations( based on an agreed upon formula) for contributions to resolve. Those unwilling/unable would find their other benefits from the UN reduced or eliminated and risk embargos or tariffs on exports to other participating nations.

Getting it perfect is the political problem. We may never reach the "middle" and someone, perhaps Obama, must have the intestinal fortitude to make the hard decisions, which may cost them a political future, but set the course for an improved worlds future. I contend that FDR did just that, but he also did not have much to lose, as his quality of life was limited.
Hey whats the fuss, this planit goes through changes all the time, its natural. I say drill baby drill get more oil, u libs kill me with your sob storys
I amaze how people take the global warming seriously. I am quite concerned with the warming, and especially that I am Mongolian, and that Gobi desert is growing each year. I think the best solution for deserts near ocean would be desalination, if you can make the cost of desalination low. Mongolia is very far from Ocean, and only way would be use nuclear powered plants (mongolia has lots of uranium reserve)or any other methods such as coal powered station (also very rich in coking coal and regular coal in the south gobi) to extract underground water for plantation. And governments like Japan, and China and other Asian countries that are affected by the sandstorms from Gobi must cooperate in order to lessen the impact of the storm that threatens the electronic devices in these countries. Mongolia has only less than 3 million people in a area bigger than Texas. Therefore, I am sure even we use clever methods to reverse the desert and take good policies, our finance and resource would be inadequate. Oh for the entreprenuers and business people, Gobi is sunny for all year round, and it is good way to generate solar energy to supply to Northern part of China, especially when the Chinese electricity demand is growing and shortage. Thanks all for the comments and lets do something for greener tomorrow. JFYI, most part of Mongolia has very good rain this year, and we hope every years we have similar rain drops.
We've had a very hot summer in Tulare,Ca,which is in the Central Valley.Farmers caused the dustbowl in the U.S. by over farming.We have learned since the dust bowl era that crops must be rotated so as not to leech precious minerals from the earth.Fields need to lie fallow so as not to contribute to salt build up.California has erred in getting rid of farmland for the sake of the McMansions.Our governor let the Farm Act expire but Tulare County is trying to reverse his decision so that we can hang onto farmland.What we need is water but the Federal government says that we have to protect the smelt.Our neighbors don't want to have trees because of the mess so we have planted 5 in our yard and have used Xeriscape plants.Everybody needs to do their part here and around the world so that  the future generations do not starve to death.No matter what the cause of global warming or if you believe it to be true,we should all be good stewards of this earth as it has given so much to us.
Hello, My name is Nara Kizer. I am from Mongolia and I live in Seattle WA. I will going to go to Mongolia next summer around middle of june, 2010.
If anybody wants to go see around the Mongolia Please contact me. I worked as a tour guide for couple years so I know Mongolia very well.
Also I will work with you best I can.,..

Sincerely,
Nara
a_narangerel@yahoo.com
Actually, population control is a factor. The higher demand of cashmere means raising more goats and more goats eat more grass. It isnt that hard to figure out that higher population puts more stress on this earth.
I'm optimistic just reading some of the varied opinions of how to solve one problem.  Each point, (most), sounds thought out and most likely could be supported by a couple of trade magazines referenced by SME's and statistical data.  Alas, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  For every energy conserving, earth-conscious adult and their lifetime of responsible co-existince; tis' wipe'd out in less than 3 minutes  by a hundred ravenous consumers.  Yeah, I'm guessing a 100:1 ratio. But seriously, no sarcasm here.  I want to believe, need to believe that there are those of you who respond to news article forums and actually have backed up (in their own small way) their words.  I believe in you. If no one else has said it "Thank you".  Get your voice heard; responses like these posts, the family bbq, the water cooler at work.  More opinions, more noise to wake up the deaf.  I especially like the indignant posts;  you know they're scaring the herd and getting 'it' done.  
Kansas was the "great american desert"  more because Europeans didn't know what a desert was.  If the flint hills are a desert.  And tall grass as far as the eye could see is a desert.  Geez that is nice.  Kansas isn't a desert.  Gobi is a desert.  Sand is what makes up a desert.  KS has some of the best soil in the world for farming.   But water will always be a problem and in the future it appears everyone will be running short on this supply.   Hopefully scientists can come up with a quick and easy way to run De-salinators.  Hopefully off free energy from vast ocean wave turbines (much cleaner than Nuclear power)  Or keep on building wind turbines.  I'm sure the steppes of Mongolia will be a great place for China to build their next generation of wind turbines as well.
I am gratefully amazed by all the excelent and repeated good ideas being forwarded in this exchange.
we just have to use nucliar energy to pump the rising seawater into the deserts where there is lots of solar energy to desalinate it. catch it to irigate te right type of vegitation to caths up with production of essential topsoil essential to grow the desert stopping frora.
Once we have a good "beachhead", we keep moving this operation relentlesly into the desert.
Once people see our progress, they will all catch on.
People have God-given brains to co-operate in managing our destiny. With all our collective knowledge techniek and monny, we could have been well ahead instead of wasting it on futile wars.
yes, I agreen more,we need plant trees and protect the greens ,and the important is we need control the peoples qty growing .


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