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Is Pakistan’s Taliban chief dead or alive?

Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:15 PM
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – The guessing games over the fate of Pakistan’s Taliban chief, Baitullah Mehsud, continue as government officials and Taliban militants exchange verbal duels – challenging each other on national TV to prove that Mehsud is alive or dead.

Accusations on both sides swirl: Top Taliban militant commanders, loyal to Mehsud, allege that Pakistani government officials have known for weeks that Mehsud is seriously ill and under a doctor's care in North Waziristan. So they say that now is a convenient time for the Pakistani government to declare him dead and remove U.S. pressure to go after him.

The government counters that the Taliban are just buying time. They have, they argue, irrefutable intelligence that Mehsud was killed in a U.S drone attack on Aug. 5 in South Waziristan, along with his wife, a brother and some aides at the home of his father-in-law while receiving medical treatment.

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Mehsud, 35, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, was Pakistan’s enemy Number One. Charismatic and ruthless, he was practically unknown until 2007, when he teamed up with al-Qaida, and banded together at least 13 separate militant groups operating in Pakistan’s lawless tribal areas.

Mehsud declared himself the leader of an estimated 20,000 fighters and hundreds of suicide bombers, and ruled unopposed until last week, when the drone fired two hellfire missiles and allegedly took him out – or maybe not.

Mehsud had a long history of poor health. Plagued by kidney problems and diabetes, he was reported to have died last year from illness, only to surface again and marry for a second time. Mehsud kept a low profile and rarely spoke to the media. Last week, the news of his death unleashed a flood of rumors, conspiracy theories and media mania.

‘Dead or alive’
First came the claims and counterclaims by Pakistani government officials, intelligence sources and sources within the Taliban – all of whom claimed to know the fate of Mehsud.

These pronouncements were quickly followed up by threats and accusations on all sides, which finally led Pakistan’s interior minister, Rehman Malik, to dare the Taliban, on national television, to prove their leader was still alive.

The "dead or alive" dilemma gripped the nation. Malik’s challenge was played over and over again on all of Pakistan’s TV channels and led to contradicting banner headlines in the nation’s newspapers. On Saturday, most of the nation’s dailies proclaimed Mehsud dead; on Sunday, the same dailies revised reports of his death with a question mark. The controversy has riveted the nation.
 
Early Saturday morning, Mehsud’s close confidant, Hakimullah, called NBC News’ Mushtaq Yusufzai to say Mehsud was alive, but seriously ill once again. Hakimullah said the Taliban were preparing to take revenge for the killing of Mehsud’s wife.

A duel?
But it was on Saturday evening that the tale took a different turn – more like a spaghetti Western, but without the sheriff.

The cell phones of local journalists started ringing with breaking news of a gun battle between Hakimullah and Mulana Waliur Rehman – Mehsud’s 40-something-year-old handpicked successor, should Mehsud be dead, that is.

A shura, or tribal council, had been called in Sara Rogha, a remote hamlet of South Waziristan, to anoint a new Taliban chief. All of the important Taliban commanders were apparently present, or at least that’s how the story whipped around the media.

And then, allegedly, a heated argument broke out, Kalashnikovs were drawn and in the end both Hakimullah and Mulana Rehman, the two main contenders for Mehsud’s crown, were dead.

Pakistani TV whipped up a frenzy. The shootout was proof, they reported, that Mehsud was dead and his top aides were embroiled in a power struggle. Malik, the interior minister, quickly called the press to announce the gun battle and that at least one of the rival commanders was dead; the other, he said, was wounded.

Turkistan Bhittani, a mid-level commander from an anti-Mehsud Taliban faction, was quick to give interviews and also announce that yes, Baitullah Mehsud was dead, and so were Hakimullah and Mulana Rehman. "Baitullah’s Taliban were in disarray and disintegrated," he boasted.

Then one of the presumed dead, or perhaps just critically injured men, Mulana Rehman, called local journalists in Peshawar and declared that the entire ballyhoo was a propaganda ploy, by the government and the intelligence agencies, to destabilize the Taliban.

He was, he said, very much alive and in good health, as was his rival, Hakimullah. Rehman said there had been no gun battle; in fact, there had not even been a meeting.

Keep ‘em guessing
Meanwhile, the suspense continues. Pakistani government officials insist they are more and more convinced that Mehsud is indeed dead. Interior Minister Malik said that in the absence of any concrete proof, the government will now try to match Mehsud's DNA with that of his brother. But, Malik added, somewhat unconvincingly: "That is if security forces could reach the site and possibly get hold of some of the dead militant's body."  

Neither the government nor the army has had any physical presence in the remote Mehsud tribal lands for months.

As for the Taliban, their new strategy, they say, is to keep everyone guessing – just like Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar do.

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Kipling said something that was appropriate, talking about people of this region.  "When he's alive, he's lying and when he's dead, he's probably faking."  
Pretty good philosophy to work with in the region, even at this time.  
I say the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies.  He's Shrodinger's Jihadi.  There's a 50% chance he's alive, as long as you don't open his box.
Much ado about nothing. Whether mass murderer Mehsud is dead or alive the terrorist war to overthrow moderate, democratic Pakistan is still alive and well. The terrorist mastermind, Mehsud has been the top dog of the radical Islamic aggressors in Pakistan. But even if we're lucky and he's dead, there are plenty of other cold-blooded killers  fighting to take his place. Keep them looking over their shoulders.
Do we all really give a big damn who the Taliban Chief is, or if he is alive or not?  There will always be someone to take over the top spot, and he will probably look just like the last guy, beard and all.  All of them look like they need a shave, shower, and shampoo.  
who cares, the donkey, or the dog, or the cat, or the cow, or the lower life forms of Taliban down the street will take over next with just as much success. they'll still kill kill kill because, well why not, nothing better to do, right? They have no leaders that a preschooler with ADHD couldn't replace.
I think he must be alive.
This is so funny!! Love the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle theory!

Sooner or later,every living man will meet their maker. All we need patience!
Keep 'em guessing?  I think it is more like; If you can't dazzle 'em with brillance, then baffle 'em with bullsh*t!
very remote area used by taliban so all facts
must be confirmed by dna hard too do when you
cant get into an area but it looks too me in
my hmo too be true time will tell
It depends how you look at it.
Does anyone else wonder if Osama Bin Ladin is dead?

How can we believe the same CIA that's been lying to us for decades?

Let's pack our tired soldiers home, so we can rebuild our bridges and highways, instead of roads to nowhere in Iraq and Afghanistan!
These are peoples who say they follow the Koran....but it is obvious to the entire world civilized and uncivilized that there is no love in their heart.  Who cares?... Until the last one is no longer a threat to families trying to subsist and exist, their continued violence and lies are still retoric.
He is probably alive - being hidden by Pakistan's ISI for use later. The games they play to fool the USA.
I wish this story had reported how the people feel about this, are they hoping a terrorist is gone, or do they feel angry that a US drone attacked in thier country? We are again getting superficial coverage.
if he is killed in a US drone attack, then i American intelligence suppose to know better who they aimed for and who got killed?
THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE AND WILL GET FROM PAKISTAN FOR GIVING THEM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND ARMS SINCE YEARS IN THE NAME OF STRATEGIC INTEREST AND ALLY AGAINST TERRORISM. HOW COME A COUNTRY WITH 99 PERCENT OF PEOPLE BELEIVING IN RELIGIOUS TERRORISM CAN BECOME YOUR ALLY IN WAR AGAINST TERRORISM? I THINK IT IS TIME SOMEBODY WISE UP ABOUT CHINA AND PAKISTAN AND U.S. STRETAGIC INTERESTS.
Leaders come and go. Remember Dadullah?. He's dead but Afghan Talibans are winning the war.... The same will be in Pakistan because they're fighting against foreign domination and for the implementation of god's law/syariah.
Leaders come and go. Remember Ahmad Yaseen and Dadullah? They're dead but Hamas and Afghan Talibans are stronger and in Afghanistan, winning the war. God willing, the same will be in Pakistan.
So, the fight still continues, which is the key point. Smart planners will work on the assumption he remains alive.
we should assume all of those taliban leaders are alive until we have concrete evidence to prove other wise. Unless the Pakistani government is into playing mind game they should shut the hell up. Because they have become the butt of a joke. According to the interior minister people can come back from the dead at any moment without notice: they do not need god to return to earth.
What a JOKE!!!!! Is the way Obama is handling the war effort! Just some more of his BS  One more great plan for CHANGE
Why don't we keep  our forces, money, and equipment here in America? Why are we, the citizens of our country, causing this country to rot from the inside out just to line the pockets of greedy US politicians and corrupt wealthy class people? Why can't anyone see what has been happening and what is continuing to happen? We not only interfere in other nations lives and ploitics, but in addition, we send in our young American children to do their dirty work! We lost a war in Vietman, while the Lyndon Johnsons and many others were supplying the resources bought by our military to fight a war led by self centered idiots.
We, the American public, are paying for decisions made by ego maniacs that ultimatly cause so many American deaths, all in the name of freedon. Yet we are not fighting for freedom. If we were, we would have war here in our own contry, God forbid! We have so few leaders now with the stamina and guts to stand up and band together to get us the hell out of other country's political sructures! We are already poised and making ready for a major war in North Kora,which will ultimatly place us in direct threat with China. We will soon run out of resources to make equipment to protect our country if we don't get back home and take care of home business. Our political structure is worse than the countries that we claim to be helping. We are much like homeless people trying to help support the welfare system. Please quit worring about Oabma, and the Hillary syndrome ego's and take a mental stand for America. Bring'em home and let's build America. The Hell with the Diaper Heads of the world. We need to clean our own house first and foremost. This country would boom into the great nation it was before the war mongers took over. Please, enough is enough. Politicians, we see through you and the wide spread shi- you represent in the name of democracy.
No one in the crowd above has the slightest clue about what is happening in this part of the world. Taliban, hamas etc stc are the tips of a massive iceberg of discontent and anger in the muslim world. No doubt incompetent leaders patronized by America are part of the problem. The masses feel helpless, ridiculed and persecuted. No one has ever even attempted to understand the problem.
The media, as usual, takes an unconfirmed report and runs with it and with it starts the reason why the rumor started.  The Taliban, obviuously, want him declared dead so he can continue his "work" in better conditions.  The Pakistani army also want the U.S. off their backs and not have to worry about losing the billions this broke nation gives them to flame corruption like government officials needed any encouragement.  And the U.S. has to get its money's worth by buying "good news" as always.  Anybody who believes any thing from the U.S. government should call me, I have a bridge for sale, but you have to act soon, I'm running out of bridges.  America is fertile ground for this type of schemes.  Ask Maddof how simple was to build his Ponzi scheme and it's the first scheme that lasted for so long.  It started in 1975 and not like Maddof said in 1993.
There probably was a camera on the hellfire missles and it most likely shows the fear in his face right before the missle hit him. Our SEALs probably had the infrared beam on him which the missle honed in on...nice shot.
When is the US going to realize that as long as it interferes in the region all that will follow is bloodshed and terror!

These cowardly US drone attacks do nothing more than kill many innocent men, women and children- who then get relatives to sign up and join the anti-American war.  Yet, Americans can't help it. They love to kill Muslims and Muslims like killing Americans!!!! Vicious Cycle!!!

Regardless of the number of Taliban leaders that are killed, others will rise to replace them. Most of Afghanistan and Pakistan isolated regions are backward, ungovernable; the Greeks, Brits, Russians, and now the US / NATO are trying to 'civilize' them. It will become a decades long tar baby' failed effort.
Regardless of the number of Taliban leaders that are killed, others will rise to replace them. Most of Afghanistan and Pakistan isolated regions are backward, ungovernable; the Greeks, Brits, Russians, and now the US / NATO are trying to 'civilize' them. It will become a decades long tar baby' failed effort.
Naik Mumahhad and Abdullah Masood were eliminated and so could be Baitullah Mehsud, but Hakimullah and Mulana Rehman are both alive, so the claims Of Pakistani Government were wrong and could be wrong again. The main thing is that if the Taliban were not weekend by the demise of their two previous leaders, would they be, if Baitullah Mehsud was no more....,I don't think So.
Destroy all the Terrorist. They are savage's with no care or concern for any other human, not even their own people. the less  of them the better... God bless all the victims and their families
You dont kill the ant pile by killing all the ants outside the nest.You take the fight to them.Either your for us or against us and Pakistan is not our ally.Were bombing the wrong places.If everyone knows wheres he's at and have pictures of him why is he still alive anyways.
Assume that he's still alive, and keep hunting until we have his head on a platter. Our objectives should look like this-
1.) Destroy the Taliban
2.) Secure Afghanistan's democratic government
3.) Ensure Terrorism and people fighting for hate and tyrannical rule never come about in this kind of mass again.
Charismatic and ruthless, teamed up with al-Qaida, Hamas and Afghan Talibans are weak so they turn  to radical Islamic aggressors. The only real weapon they have is the terrrorist. Like Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmad Yaseen and Dadullah so came Mehsud, just a terrorist masterminds. Dead or Alive: not until the last one is no longer a threat to families trying to subsist and exist, the continued violence , lies are still retoric, will the Islamic people feel the freedom of the true teachings of the Joran. So dead or alive is only superficial, compared to the lost of a civilized world. One last note: I would like to see my son come home, I miss him.
How you guys looking for peace for yourself and never think about others? Shelfesness!!! Why you always blame the Islam or Kuran for your problems? did any one blame your Bible or Turrah for your injustice and abusing your own kids by your own church preists and marrage between two men or two women?? Leave this people alone and remeber that peace will never happen from one side only.Save your money from the fire works in Iraq , Afghanista and Pakistan and look for your own people who are fighting among theselves for the medical plans and money to eat. Pull your troops out, back home and remember your lesson from Vitenam war!
I thought they were dead--both Mehsud and Snake Plissken!
It makes a difference, if we know for sure, whether any of the leaders are really alive or dead.  If we know we are killing them for sure, it makes the pile of the next one in line smaller, and makes us feel like we are getting something positive done.
who care Binladin DEAD or ALIVE is won'n make not things better for US for OUR WORD and of cousre who care top KILLER alive or dead if we ralax some day we see them just like SADAM let put some thing together for USA Healhcare plan and our job let stop buying from china so we can get plenty job here?
It talks about our intelligents to find targets?!  If he is dead, it was because the expolsion scared him to death?!
The military needs to start using their heads?!  They need to talk to their enemy (taliban)tell them they don't have to be the boot lickers for Al Qaeda?!  Don't be foolish, walk and talk softly, but carry a neutron bomb!
We need to keep a body count of the enemy?!  This idea is some how making matyrs don't fly to me?!  People thinking a lot when people on their own side are taking hits, and wonder when they'll be next?!  That stuff works, start keeping count of the death toll of Taliban and Al Qaeda?!
it makes no differance if he's dead or alive because aslong as people use religin to justify murder thear will be someone to replace him.. people need to realize that in this case cutting off the head wont kill the snake.. you gotta crush the whole thing to put it out of our misery..
The Taliban are as useful to Islam as a fire hazard is to a girls schoolroom. Also, as they are involved in extortion, murder, boasting & atavism, they are disqualified from being in the footsteps of the Prophet.
It looks like the US Policy for Pak-Afghanistan is doomed for failure.
I cannot fathom that Obama’s advisors could be so openly biased when choosing advisors for such critical areas and issues. Does the State Department not know that there is an absolute lack of trust between India and Pakistan and that they have gone on three wars over Kashmir? It seems they are again recruiting lobbyists to run policy in D.C. because to my utter disbelief, Obama’s Senior Defense Advisor on Afghanistan and Pakistan is an Indian Hindu/Sikh. Looks like we’re heading back to Bush/Cheney era. So we can get ready for more trouble to come in
Afghanistan and Pakistan and remember no progress will be made
unless the US shows itself to be a neutral negotiator- not on the side of India or Pakistan.
The Pakistanis have been unhappy about the Indians opening up 12
embassies ( missions) in Afghanistan. They claim that the RAW operates there. So now we go and put an Indian in charge of advising the President on issues. So how can we succeed in Pakistan???

Though our mission to eliminate the Taliban and other terror groups that impose themselves on free people is noble.  The fact remains that this is an area of the world that has never been tamed, controlled or unified.  Our likely ability to change this is regrettably not good.  Though we are America and we must lead and the cost of leadership is sometimes very expensive.


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