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New commitment to old Afghanistan strategy

Posted: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:06 PM
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KABUL, Afghanistan – The ‘new’ U.S. strategy in Afghanistan has a familiar ring to it.

"You can't kill your way to victory here, Jim," the U.S. Army Brigade Commander began, cocking his cap back off his forehead, as he often did before making a point. "You must protect the population, separate the enemy from that population, and then, quickly, bring good governance to the people so they  reject the enemy when he tries to return."

The colonel called this a "new" strategy, fully supported by Washington, and based on proven counter-insurgency practice. He believed this would radically alter the course of war in Afghanistan and lead, hopefully, to a "tipping point" – shifting momentum away from the Taliban and towards coalition forces.

VIDEO: How successful has the Afghan surge been?

But, this comment wasn’t something I pulled out of my reporter's notebook from my recent trip to Afghanistan – although it could be. It's actually a quote from then-Col. John 'Mick' Nicholson, commander of Task Force Spartan, in Eastern Afghanistan, back in April of 2006.

Interestingly, Nicholson's boss at the time was Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, the then-commander of U.S. and NATO’s International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.

Now fast-forward more than three years. I am back in Kabul, but I kept flashing back to that earlier conversation as I listened to Eikenberry, now the new U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan, define for me what he called "the conditions for success" here.

"First you must secure the area and separate the people from the enemy, Jim. But right behind that, steps have to be taken to help the government of Afghanistan..." My thoughts drifted as Eikenberry went on to describe the need for "good governance" and a "sense of justice." I was thinking instead about how I'd heard this "new doctrine" before, almost word for word.

My point: There's little really new about the Obama administration's "new strategy" in Afghanistan.

True, as reported in Monday's New York Times, there's been a clear shift in counter-narcotics tactics, away from indiscriminate poppy eradication – which hurt farmers, but not the Taliban –  while going more aggressively after the drug lords and smugglers.

But the much touted "clear-hold-build" paradigm, and the need for both "military" and "civilian" surges, are ideas lifted right out of the U.S. military's counter-insurgency handbook, drawn up by Gen. David Petraeus himself.

This strategy was, in fact, formulated during President George W. Bush's administration and applied by Bush, despite resistance from his own advisors, in Iraq.

What is new – and a potential breakthrough – is the commitment that the U.S. government appears to have made to the strategy in Afghanistan.

Congress has allocated tens of billions of new dollars, not just to the fight, but, for instance, to turning Afghanistan back into the agricultural powerhouse it was before 30 years of war destroyed it.

VIDEO: Clearing a Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan

The mission matching the means
When Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke recently paid a visit to staffers in Kabul at what he called "the most important embassy in the world," he made this "new commitment" his first talking point.

"I can assure you that President Obama is personally committed to this mission, and that the resources you've required for so many years are now being made available to you,'' Holbrooke promised. During his remarks, I caught a glimpse of now-Gen. 'Mick' Nicholson, standing among the crowd, and beaming with approval.

This was payback, I thought, for those years when the boots and weapons and intelligence assets flowed mostly out of Afghanistan and into Iraq.

Over the years covering the U.S. war in Afghanistan, I've often been struck by the disconnect between U.S. commanders on the ground and the politicians back home. It felt like a constant tug of war between the mission and the means.

In 2006, Nicholson, and a few others, spoke eloquently of the ways to win "trust and confidence" in Kunar or Nuristan, and other Taliban strongholds, but their hands often seemed tied by other priorities, usually in Iraq.

The unspoken truth back then was that, despite gains made in several successful battles, there were never enough U.S. troops, or Afghan forces, to hold those gains, or build the Afghan infrastructure. Clear-hold-build was still-born.

‘Surge’ of troops
Today, there are some encouraging signs. Embedded with the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines, I met up with Col. Bill McCollough, a 40-something battalion commander, who sounded much like Nicholson, years before.

"It's all got to happen at the same time," the Minnesota native told me, as if from the same page. "While we're establishing security you have to be doing job creation, you have to be enabling governance. Because those things contribute to security, too."

I stifled a smile. In other words, I thought, you have to do a lot of "nation building." That’s what the Bush administration talked about, but never committed to.

Now, McCollough, a driven professional who honed his counter-insurgency skills in Iraq, says he has what he needs to make the (not so) new strategy work.

His battalion was part of the so-called "surge" of Marines – over 10,000 in all – who since June have spread across Helmand and other parts of southern Afghanistan, the heart of the Taliban insurgency. And they've learned from past mistakes, a Marine spokesman recently said, effectively, that U.S. Marines won't clear what they can't hold, and won't hold where they can't build.

VIDEO: Holding ground in Afghanistan's no man's land

Committed to the long haul?
This shift in commitment – if not in strategy – hasn't been lost on Afghans.

Haroun Mir, a U.S.-educated Afghan analyst from Kabul, says he's encouraged by the pledge to make Afghanistan Obama's number one foreign policy priority.

 "If Afghans perceive that the U.S. and NATO mission here is short-term, just temporary, they'll start siding with the Taliban, only out of fear of reprisals if the Taliban returns to power," said Mir.  

He admitted that he was an optimist, and thinks the U.S. effort has ''been on the ‘right path’ for several years now. ''We are winning the war. But we have to continue, it's just a question of commitment.''

That commitment certainly won't be easy, especially if the numbers of U.S. dead and wounded continue to rise through this fighting season, as Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, warned in an interview in the Wall Street Journal. "We've got to stop [the Taliban's] momentum, stop their initiative. It's hard work,'' he said.

But his plan to put troops into heavily populated areas isn't a new strategy. Thousands of Canadian forces have been doing just that for several years in Kandahar, trying to "separate the enemy from the people," with little success.

What is new (that word again) is the commitment of large numbers of U.S. forces to reinforce those Canadian units in the South.

U.S. military experts, quoted in Sunday's Washington Post, said that these security and political commitments will last at least a decade and potentially cost the U.S. more than the war in Iraq.

Mir agreed with the time line. "It could take another decade," he said, "to convince the Taliban that fighting is useless."

But that begs the question, is America that committed?

Jim Maceda is an NBC News Correspondent based in London who just returned from an embed with U.S. Marines in Afghanistan's Helmand province. He has reported on the war in Afghanistan since 2001.

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Hopefully this is not just a public relations ploy by the Obama administration. Cutting off the cash flow supplied by drug dealing for the radical Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan is important. But the Taliban and their Islamo-fascist buddies are also generously bankrolled by oil rich Persian Gulf Arabs. Let's go after that money train too.
"What is new – and a potential breakthrough – is the commitment that the U.S. government appears to have made to the strategy in Afghanistan."
Well then, it IS new.  Don't give Bush ANY credit for anything good...no way, no how.
The problem as I see it, is that though the Obama administration could indeed be fully committed to re-building Afghanistan into its former self as an agricultural power for South Asia, the American people are not committed to anything that might require hard work, the sting of American lives lost, or any kind of sacrifice whatsoever.  The generation in power (now the last few years for the baby boomers) is lazy and unwilling to do anything that might take them out of the luxury of their comfort zone.  American Idol, Michael Vick, 'cash for clunkers', Paris Hilton's new boyfriend, or any other pop culture distraction is simply more important than eliminating a geographical center for Islamic fascism.
I give President Bush credit for getting us into these wars.  There was not plan to win and now there is no plan to exit.  The military cannot find a solution to exit and the politicans continue to play politics.  The best solution is to leave.  The only winner will then be the Americans.
One money train at a time, and let's not blame Obama for all of Bush's mistakes. It's getting real old. Get over the fact that Bush had no idea what he was doing, and give credit where it's deserved. The Rebublicans lost. Get over it.
"Don't give Bush ANY credit for anything good...no way, no how."

Typical myopic, sheep-like thinking.  Bush may have made some huge mistakes but that doesn't mean that every single thing his administration did was wrong.  Pull your head out, Carolyn.
It is sad to see the partisan comment above.
The "situation" in Afghanistan is so sad, so deplorable, we can only look to what needs to be done.
No one has ever defeated the Afghanis.The chances of an outsider settling problems there is highly improbable.
This was Russia's "Vietnam". At this stage it is America's "second Vietnam".
Hopefully the latest strategy which appears to be a resurgence of previously tried strategies will work.
I am seriously skeptical that it will work.
There can only be political solutions to bring about an exit strategy in Afghanistan.
I predict America and its allies will leave defeated as did Russia.
Sadly it will be many years in the future after much more death and maiming of many tens of thousands of people. (human beings)
I share the foolish hope that this strategy will be successful.
Let's just nuke the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The damn Pakistani's are the real problem. Let's not forget that Pakistan created and supported the Taliban. I am originally from Afghanistan and I don't think anything will change ulness we nuke them and scare those bastards. I hope one day I can go back to my country in peace.
It is sad to see the partisan comment above. >> The Rebublicans lost. Get over it.

*** Agreed.  This isn't a Democrat vs. Republican or liberal vs. conservative problem.  Please lighten up.

The point missed by the author is that there is a very distinct shift and "new" policy by actually taking the strategy that has been presented by the professional military commanders as the answer for the last 3-5 years.  Instead of trying to come across as a macho cowboy (a yale cheerleader cowboy that is) and using dumbass statements like "dead or alive" "bring it on" "fer us or agin us," we have a policy that brings an eventual end to our being there.  Yes, I would call that a new shift in policy and action.  
The problems of afganistan are very much related to problems across the border in Pakistan. A similar strtegy and tactics need to be done in Pakistan. Unfortunaly the funds and material provided by international agencies to Pakistani government for doing the infrastucture for people post war is very little compared to development funds to be spent in Afghanistan. On top of that considering the bad record of corruption in Pakistan, most of the funds may not reach the needy and help in the long run to put to end the economic plight of people of regions where Taliban control is removed. More needs to done to wins hearts and minds than just giving handouts.
Im a product of Viet Nam, Sgt, USMC Tell me if Im wrong,this sounds like the 1960,s.and that was the poroblem of the Dems. wasent it?
I served under Col. John Nicholson, TF Spartan. Unfortunately the ass-clown Col. Chip Preysler from TF Bayonet came in and dropped the ball for an entire year and effectively un-did all the tough work we and the reconstruction teams did. Why wouldnt the Taliban buck when you have US forces going after them instead of empowering the Afghan Army, Police, and population?
I dont think this is about beating the afghanis, this is about beating the tally wackers and terrorist residing there. show the afghan who will benefit them the most.
Oh Carolyn,how proud you must be of Mr. Obama, he's got a new idea and a new stratagy and his own little war to fix up. I'm sure he's got an exit stratagy, a plan, an idea how much it will cost in lives and tax dollars. Your proud of him, right?
Surely his plans are written down, forged in steel, you've seen the notes...right?
Wake up! Nothings changed since before Bush except the region, and that we've given buckets of money away that we can't cover.
I bet you think nationalized health insurance isn't going to cost you. Mmm Mmm!
You are what the Democratic party preys on, a mindless, helpless, easily destracted, simpathetic follower.
I wish you would understand that you do not need the government to lead you along from day to day, you have the capacity to do and think for yourself and if honest, know what is right, yourself! Please suck it up Carolyn, you can do better than this!
Carolyn, tomorrow try something new, make up your own mind without any liberal influence slapping you in the back of the head. You'll find it feels pretty cool!
You'll go "wow, I made a decision by myself without the aid of any newpaper or the assosiated press poll or Komrad Katie Kurik or Nancy Pulls-lousy or anybody!" "what a rush!"
Good luck Carolyn, I think your more at risk than our troops overseas!
Most of us know that the first time we messed up in Afghanistan was when we stopped supporting them after we helped them beat the Russians in the early 1980's.
If we finished then, we wouldn't be where we are now. We can't afford to leave before the job is done again.
By the way, I have a son over there right now, and he understands this as well as anybody.
If anyone is interested, watch Charlie Wilsons war.
There's certainly something "old" about this war, and the strategies and tactics involved.  Admittedly, I have become caloused and bitter about the war, like so many veterans who have come before me.  But, there is at least one glaring hole in all of this macro-warfare: personnel resources.  How are US forces expected to "hold" all of this land mass, when Afghanistan is the size of Texas...and more mountainous than any region in the US???  And, suddenly the US is supposed to provide a troop surge after fighting for 8 years with a force structure 3 times smaller than we had during the height of the Cold War???  Lastly, the US is pouring unprecedented billions of dollars into Afghanistan when we're facing the greatest economic recession in 80 years.  How do we fight the next war without any fiscal surge capability???  I'm proud to have served in Afghanistan and I believe in the people of Afghanistan, but I'm afraid we missed our opportunity in winning this war...because our priorities were skewed towards the Iraqi Conflict.  We continue to fight in Afghanistan at great risk to US national security and economic stability.
Devildog Dad,
Stimulus packages, nationalized health care and insurance reform, bank bailouts, new "clunker" money, continuing golden parachutes for fat cat exec's with tax payer dollars, auto bailouts and the list goes on, all passed through congress with a heavy Democratic vote! no matter whom you want to blame for the mess, Bush, Clinton, Obama, Grover Cleveland, hell even Hitler, I don't care, but thanks to all these fresh "new" democratic controlled ideas... You loose! You loose! You loose! Make no mistake about what is about to hit you in the nose!
Get out your wallet or get rid of this crop of idiots in DC before we become another third world country!
@wilson and devildog, President Bush stopped the onrush of terror that threatened to roll over the free world.  Obama is a socialist who will roll over for the terrorists.  You demeaned President Bush and now the tide has turned as we demean the anti-christ.
Hilarious !!!
Alexander of Macedon (there's a damned good reason that he's known as Alexander the Great) couldn't conquer Afghanistan and the clown like americans belive that Petraeus whose sole claim to fame is writing a book is somehow a better general / soldier than the greatest commander in history !!!
"Don't give Bush ANY credit for anything good...no way, no how."

Typical myopic, sheep-like thinking.  Bush may have made some huge mistakes but that doesn't mean that every single thing his administration did was wrong.  Pull your head out, Carolyn"

It would help John Boy Billy Bob if you could actually mention anything that the retarded monkey from TexASS actually did correctly - oh and by the way "saying Jesus a lot" does  not count despite what your Christo-Fascist (an ode to your buddy Dougie from Detroit) screeched at you at church on Sunday
The truth of the matter is thatthe mightiest military force in the world has been held at bay by a few thousand fighters who have no planes,tanks,artillery,ships,body armor,or even helmets.It is time to realize that a military victory is impossible against such forces.The answer is to get out and let the Afghans settle their own problems.Afghan is no threat to our national security except in a Maffia way.
Finally... a reporter who gets it right. There's nothing new going on in Afghanistan. I've done three tours already. We're winning the war. We've always been winning the war. The strategy hasn't changed. It just takes time. Gen. McChrystal is making the situation look worse than it is so he will look like a hero when his tour is finished. It's a disservice to all of us who have worked so hard to win this war... without Gen. McChrystal.
if you read the article carefully, it is the commitment by the democratically controlled congress, same democratically controlled congress when Bush was in office that is new, not the strategy. So, Bush was not the problem, the strategy was not the problem, it was lack of commitment by Congress, lets put the blame at whose feet it belongs.
what bothers me is some of the other countries need to send more of their troops in to afganistan-dont just send in 2000-send as much as the U.S.A. does!!....THE MORE THE BETTER!!
No, none of you have any idea what you are talking about, none!!  The problem is that we think we have to rely on a plan that has already been thought out and discussed.  Do you think SF is succesfull or the best at what they do because they always have better plans than everyone else or, because they are allowed to make decisions on the fly and improvise when needed without the oversight of politicians that think winning battles can be read out of books.
Carolyn Carpenter, you are so misguided.  Once again, you blame 1/3 of your government for all of its woes.  Lets not forget it was Congress who approved these wars.  It was Congress that couldn't or wouldn't pull us out of these wars.  Lastly, do you have an inkling as to why we are in these wars?  I seriously doubt it.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not new types of wars or have you never heard of the Banana Wars?  The majority of wars the US has fought had nothing to do with stopping "evil" empires.  Once again, the liberal public has no idea what the long term cost of freedom and US hegemony costs.
Ok why the US is on afghanistan again???? guys come on all this power against an ak47..for 8 f..years HELLOOO ANY BODY THERE????
Very interesting reading from the reporter. However, there are no-counter insurgency 'experts' in the U.S.armed forces. If there were, there would be little, if any need, for yet another 'new plan',...a.k.a the same old rhetoric, trotted out as yet another answer to the problems in Afganistan.

As 'Will Solly' correctly pointed out. There is no external source cabable of defeating the internal conflict's within the tribal regions.

'War Lords Rule-OK' is the way of life in Afganistan. What 'expert' from the 'outside' is ever going to change that fact?

Family, tribe, location and allegiance has been the mainstay of Afganistan for centuries. There is not an American politician,(or any other) whom can wipe all those years away with a few mealy-mouthed platitudes, and aspirations of " the good life'.

The American tax payer will be left holding the bag for this debacle, as always. Nothing will change, the same power struggles will be taking place, with or without an American / allied presence.

Of course, should the American tax payer wake up to this rip-off, and realise that he/she never had a vote as to the billions of dollars which will be spent on such a useless war,(oops, sorry,...should that read insurgency?). Then perhaps the statement of "Charity begins at home' might be a lot more attractive. Especially to those unemployed, under foreclosure on their homes, and just not being able to 'make it' in todays tough economy.
I think we've lost the original intention of this conflict.. find the responsible party for 911.  Remember how the Iraq war was spun from this idea, after WMD was not found into creating a democracy?  Afganistan is no different.  If we the tax payers are supporting the development of the Afgan agricultural sector and we are supposed to be free marketers, drop the subsidies on US farms and lets buy some Afgan wheat!  I could use a drop in food prices, taxes and the Afgans could use a market.  Fill-up those supply ships with pomegranets, dates, grains and everything else they can grow and let them rebuild there own society.  Puzzle question for everyone... what crop yields the same return as poppies, on the same acreage, using the same opium supply chain?  We are the biggest overwieght people in the world.. lets eat our way out of this one..organic food could lower our diabeties problems and the midwestern farmers could grow corn or whatever for ethanal.  Its all connected.
The problem is that when we wnet into Irag & Afghanistan we had no follow-up plan after kicking sadam out and drive the Taliban out of power. We should have immediatley started a "Marshal Plan" in both countries. We needed to rebuild the infrastructure of both countries.We had a lot of the peoples support until they were doing without water, electricity and other services. This gave the enemy what they needed to encourage people to fight with them, because they said that they would restore what the people were doing without.
I agree with Will Solly. However, as long as we're citing common sense lessons from history don't forget the "Hearts and minds" statements made to another generation reguarding Viet Nam. There is nothing new, but the buzzwords change.  I say this as an old vet tired of exploitation by politicians on both sides of the aisle.  

30 years from now someone will say the same thing with "new" words and the same meaning.  I'm not sure why I bother commenting. I'm sure some Scot fighting for the Brits against Afgans made the same observation. Check out Tolstoy's 'The Raid' for the same message from long ago. Gandhi found it interesting. Older yet, "Nothing new under the sun...Vanity, vanity."  If you don't know the reference, read more and blog less.
How many remember the WWII Allied Military Government on how to govern liberated countries and control conquered territories.

In Viet Nam, it was Marine General Krulak in Eye Corps that used the AMG as the template for his Combined Action Platoons. They took over a territory, and began infrastructure improvements with USN SeaBees and providing medical care through their USN Hospitalmen.

The NVA and Viet Cong had to come to the Marines, ocupying the land where 95% of the people lived. Krulak did not take his men into the central highland to fight the NVA and Cong in their territory.

That is until Westmoreland wanted progress numbered by a body count and forced the Marines to drop the Combined Action Platoons, go into the highlands and begin losing men while essentially abandoning all of the work done before.

Nothing new under the sun, only smart men reviewing history.
America needs to stop feeling inconviencied by war and either stop or go full bore. We're running out of jobs back home because of the war .. why not start building our own war machines and win this thing the way any world conquering / self disrespecting people should do... with brute force and nuclear weapons and let's not forget a huge SORRY for all the innocent people that get their ticket punched at the same time
OH so some people are seers now 'I predict' loser, defeating the Taliban is a possibility,the 70's showed with communist terrorists it can be long and arduous but it can be done, defeating this new batch of terrorists can also be achieved, and in another decade or two some new terror group will also most likely come up and the circus start all over again, Afghanistan with the Soviets like Vietnamn were colonialist wars, not the same stupids.
I really donot understand wars and how they are fought.I think that is what we have an army, navy and marines for. I do know people, annd with that have to say the people in Afganistan have to want this freedom enough to help fight for it.Yes they will need help rebuilding but that is for the whole world to help  just our country. The people in Afganistan cannot expect us to hand them their land back on a silver plater and rebuild for them they have to help.
Lots of "unwinnable" war posters trying to subvert morale today. Much has been learned and the strategies that are just now making the press have been employed for some time.

Advocating we leave the Afghans to their fate is the preserve of the self interested and unconcerned. Whether you like how we got there or not we're in it now. Do we simply tell women "oh sorry we have to go, good luck when they find out you dared to be a teacher....."

Such self interested cowardice is not our style. Encouraging it is the primary focus of those posters who are Taliban sympathizers seeking to sway public opinion.
Why is Bush blamed for everything that is bad in the world and the Middle East?  The problems did not start with him.  If you want to blame anyone why not Bill Clinton for reducing our military and intelligence community making 9/11 possible?

It is about time we as Americans realize we have enough problems at home to keep us fully occupied.  I am sorely tired of the verbal bull**** our politicians sprout.  This is not the time for partisanship.

Will Obama change anything.  I seriously doubt it.  This is a guy who requires and relies on law enforcement to protect him and he attacks them for his friend without having all of the facts.  I have feeling this is the way he will conduct international affairs too.
Ever since World War II the United States Government (both political parties) have involved the American people in a chain of no win wars.  We fought on fronts in World War II that can only be described as huge, enormous, immense, and gigantic on a truly global scale,and we won. We also had mostly competent commanders, and in fact some probably approached the military genius level.  

The Korean War was the birth of a long line of second rate politicians and military/naval commanders that we have today.  These fools keep us bogged down in no win wars with lots of casualties, that they are afraid to get out of because of their stinking egos and pee brains. There are other factors but their egos are the main barrier.  Combine this with the stupidity of the Bush administration composed of people with no to little military service at all, and you have a recipe for continued catastrophes.

Top that off with President Obama keeping this anal retentive Secretary of Defense in office and we have a real menu for future disasters.  Marine General Smedley Butler was right about these kind of "banana" and other wars when he wrote "War is a Racket," and that was back in the 1930s.  In the meantime the  b.s. beat goes on. At least stupidity is consistent and predictable.  

In the end however, foreign wars of the kind we have been fighting since the 1950s only serve to degrade a country.  Look around at the society and culture we live in today, and ask yourself if it is not a product (at least in part) of the Vietnam debacle.  We went from "banana" wars in the 1930s to the victories of World War II, and then to the "rice paddie" wars of Korea and Vietnam, and now we have the oil and opium wars of Iraq and Afghanistan.  What fun!  

 
Carolyn,
You're an idiot. I'm no "Bush-backer", but to say he never did ANYTHING good in office is patently ignorant and narrow minded of you. Following your line of logic, you must then believe that Obama will do only good deeds and have no missteps? Please-step away from the voting booth!
Ok I'm only 14, but if I'm not misunderstood we cannot just blame one branch of government. Our system is based on check-and-balances, so it's not just the executive's fault and it's not just the legislative's fault. They work together. If you do not like how they are running things the best thing you can do is express your views and concerns with your politicians. If that doesn't work, you can try to run for their positions.

I think our biggest problem in fighting the war in Afghanistan is that we do not hold our ground. We let the Taliban take back what we worked hard to get. When we take something over, we should immediately start rebuild its infrastructure and gaining the trust of the local population. Then, take more over and rebuild immediately etc. I know this will not get things done as quickly as we want, but its sure to work.

I agree that we need more foreign help. I think our allies should be putting in as much effort as us or as much as they possibly can. I think the Afghanis should be putting in the most effort tho, for it is their land we are fighting for. I also think that Pakistan should be more cooperative with us being all the Taliban are taking sanctuary in Pakistan which, if the Pakistani's don't do something about, the Taliban will  start causing them all sorts of problems too, like what is starting to happen there now.

I realize most of this isn't probably going to happen because the Afghani and Pakistani governments are corrupt, but we need to stay committed to winning this war. KEEP YOUR HEAD INTO THE GAME.
The Soviets couldn't beat the Afghanis because the Saudis and the US were funding them through the Pakistanis.  Plus, the Soviets were crumbling from the inside, as was evidenced within that decade.  The Taliban is NOT invincible just because they reside in Afghanistan.  
How many, if any, of you have ever been in these regions, ever seen a remote village in the mtns, ever eaten what passes for food there? It's been 40 years since I was travelling and a lot has changed, mostly for the worse. Any of you ever consider Afghanistan has never been unified, has always been frgmented by tribal factions, was never an "agricultural powerhouse for all of SE Asia"? (where'd the writer ever get that idea?)Ever see a gang of Afghanis or Kashmiris in an argument over some trivial slight? Ever seen that hand reach out for the baksheesh? (baksheesh is an ancient tradition of passing a bribe to an official to get something done, or to a merchant for a special deal, or to a judge, a police chief, a military officer. It is the common way of life and business that a horde of Marines and State Dept analysts will never change.) The Pak/Afghan border has hills higher than most US mtns and mtns that make the Rockies look like termite mounds! The region is not just rugged but mostly devoid of vegetation, rmote to an extreme. The populations are functionally illiterate, have virtually no math skills beyond counting on their fingers and toes, little or no sense of geography, few have ever traveled beyond their place of birth. The Taliban thrives on ignorance,and they intend to keep the population cowed and subservient to their tunnel vision of Koranic reality. Time and terrain are completely on their side. Marines can take over the village, clear the local area and hold it. But not forever. Our Marines, special ops, soldiers and airmen will at some point have to come home to America. The Taliban only have to wait. In the meantime the logistic cost to support front line troop is astronomical. Like Vietnam, Afghanistan is about as far away from USA as you can get and still be on the planet! Bin Laden declared years ago that his intentions included luring the USA into a protracted war that would drain our treasury and collapse the economy. Has that not happened? Bush/Cheney played right into Bin Laden's hand and now we are stuck with the bill, with continuing skirmishes losing a few good men every day, killing a few of them here, a dozen there, but not in fact changing anything. In fact the Afghani's will not cooperate because they don't have that word in their vocabulary. They will say yes and nod heads because that is what is expected to satisfy the moment. Even with baksheesh, yes means nothing, a pledge means nothing, deception is valued much more than honesty! The military will stay in Afghanistan until recalled. Vietnam sucked the "Great Society" and LBJ into a tar pit, sucked most of the nation's profit into destruction, napalm, agent orange, millions of tons of bombs, thousands of air sorties, 58,00 dead, 300,00 wounded. To no avail. We cannot let Afghanistan do the same.
First let me say this. ANYONE who thinks the President controls this country should pull your head out quickly. It is the representatives that we elect from each state that have us in this. BOTH Dems and Repubs. Neither side have clean hands. I am 100% for our troops. They answered the call with HONOR. But as long as we label ourselves as democrates or republicans we will always find a way to be different. We as a nation love to put things into catagories. Why does one idea have more merit than another? Because it has a few more followers? Come on people. If you all had an idea of what to call as a harm or a sin, none of you would be here. No ones hands are clean.
I read all of the above comments and one in particular caught my attention when it asked what crop could be cultivated in Afghanistan that would match the price their farmers receive from growing opium poppies and the answer is marijuana.  Since they already grow it as a cash crop and it is part of their culture, it wouldn't take much effort to convert the farmers to growing a mild drug instead of dangerous destructive opium.  A plus would be if the worlds leading nations including the U.S. would legalize the use of pot and then the Afghan people would benefit greatly since the appetite for pot worldwide is endless.  During the Soviet era in Afghanistan, hashish (a concentrated form of pot) was widely available.  It came from Afghanistan packaged with a logo that said 'Smoke the Russians Away'.  It helped to fund the Musladeen in their struggle against the Soviet Union, presumably transported into the U.S. by the CIA or another government agency. Instating this program would go a long way in mellowing out the taliban and possibly the Republicans in this country and bring prosperity to Afghanistan.    
"give President Bush credit for getting us into these wars.  There was not plan to win and now there is no plan to exit.  The military cannot find a solution to exit and the politicans continue to play politics.  The best solution is to leave.  The only winner will then be the Americans."

This opinion, right here, is the absolute worst.  More so, the winner will be the people who are freed from Sharia Law which is what the Taliban fight so hard to institute.  People need to remember that what we (My fellow Soldiers and all the others from our Allies) are fighting for is the political, civil, and personal security and freedom of those who do not have a means of acquiring it themselves...(Iraq, and Afghanistan nationals in this case)  We did in WWI, and in WWII, albeit in a completely different type of war (High Intensity Conventional and Completely Symetric Warfare)  The "Solution" is exactly what the Commander said, to eradicate and destroy what legitimacy the Taliban has with the people by removing them from the general populace, creating a CONTROL ZONE and then moving to the next while improving the political, financial, and civil aspects of said ZONE.  It is more difficult, takes more time and effort, requires more funding and support, and completely exhausts the Military Force in charge of making it happen....but it is still possible and has been done before.  Our military force is more than qualified to do it, but I am not sure if the American people, if the WORLD, is as committed as the troops and boots on the ground, and that is the most important support system us Soldiers have.  As a Military Officer, I would hope that the general public do as much as they can to learn for themselves what kind of war this is, who is fighting for what, who is being fought for, what tools we have to fight with and what is required to achieve victory in the political playground of today.  To be uneducated, undisciplined in your thinking and disrespectful while at the same time displaying ignorance, arrogance, and complete idiocy is everyones complete and natural RIGHT, but Soldiers, dead and alive, all over the world, have EARNED and DESERVE much more from the people we swore we would protect.  Please, read more and educate yourselves more so you can better understand the war in which our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, moms, dads,  grandmothers, and grandfathers fight.  Do it, as a service to and for your Soldiers.

Gus
Army Engineer Officer          

We had them on the run after 9/11, we just did not follow through. Bush opened a 2nd front, and almost all the resources went there. We NEGLECTED this place, where the true perps of 9/11 lived, walked around with impunity. In Quetta, they still do. We can drive them outta A-stan, but wat about PAK? Unless the Afghani's can take over-which is years away-we are p-ssing in the wind. I agree with the G.I. above, this "front" was mismanaged and neglected. We are in for a long, tough fight. Its NOT about the Dems and POTUS, this is about young men and women sent on a mission w/ out the resources needed. Did we NEED to invade Iraq? My 02. is we did not.
Either go away or go all the way.  sitting on the fence just means you can get shot from both sides.  
This "new" strategy has historical roots dated in the time of Alexander.  The salient point here is that this concept (dated or not) makes operational sense.  However, we continue to involve ourselves in combat operations with insufficient resources.  Winning concepts are laudable.  Too few troops doing the fighting make the best strategies problematic.  More's the pity.    


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