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Texas fold ‘em: Russia bans poker

Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:11 PM
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 MOSCOW – Like on any other Thursday, I was looking forward to my weekly Texas Hold ‘Em poker game. A laid-back, low-stakes game with some friends in the back room of a Moscow restaurant is always a nice way to unwind towards the end of the work week.

But this week, our game was cancelled due to new Russian legislation which removed poker’s classification as a sport, effectively banning any poker playing for money.

"We are trying to get some clarification from the police as to how they see friendly games," said the restaurant manager who allows us to play in his restaurant for nothing more than the price of the drinks and food. He explained the reason for canceling this week’s game: "We wanted to clear it first, and we also wanted to stay out of trouble for a while." Fearing authorities, he prefers to remain anonymous.

The Russian government shut down casinos in most of country earlier this month, exiling them to four gaming zones that don’t yet have the infrastructure to support casinos. At first, it looked like poker would survive the shutdown due to its designation as a sport (and not a game of chance). Now, players are wondering how far-reaching the new decree will push authorities to crack down on various kinds of poker games.

It seems clear that the law is intended to break up any poker clubs who get a percentage of the winnings from the games (a "rake") in return for providing the tables, dealers, chip, and the place to play. But friendly-game players are worried as well, especially considering Russia’s lack of a clearly defined legal system and widespread corruption.

"The law still seems to be a little gray," said an expatriate resident of Moscow whom I play with (he also asked that his name not be used). "If you play in a public place but there’s no money on the table, is that considered an illegal poker game? I don’t think it is. But what happens when the cop comes in, sees you playing poker? He could try to shake you down."

Others players are not as worried.

"I don’t think it’s going to stop the friendly games … their target is the underground poker clubs," said Nathan Stowell, a 37-year-old metals trader from the United States who has been living in Moscow for 15 years. "People are still going to play, [but] it will be a lot less safe. It’s going to be more criminal and obviously going to discourage more people from playing."

This discouragement couldn’t come at a worse time for Russian poker aficionados. Poker has exploded in popularity in Russia in the past decade and Moscow was set to host its first European Poker Tour tournament in August – its fate is now unclear.

"We are in mourning," wrote Dmitry Lesnoi, head of the Russian Sport Poker Federation, on the federation’s Web site. "We lost. But we fought until the last card was laid down on the table."

Most players I know say they hope the law won’t apply to friendly games, as giving up poker isn’t an option for some of them.

"It doesn’t mean we’re going to stop playing. We’re just going to have to play in different locations," my expatriate friend said. "The biggest deal is just inconvenience. It means I have to try that much harder to have a place to play."

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I NEVER thought of playing a card game as a crime.
Typical Russian paranoid BS. See the "Skype" story from today: Russia feels that phone company competition undermines state security. Lighten up, guys. Napoleon and Adolph are dead, nobody else is planning to march through the motherland killing and plundering.
Typical Russian paranoid BS. See the "Skype" story from today: Russia feels that phone company competition undermines state security. Lighten up, guys. Napoleon and Adolph are dead, nobody else is planning to march through the motherland killing and plundering. Get over yourselves - your petty control-freak, Stalinist days are over. The world is a much smaller place and your paranoia is under that much more scrutiny in the international forum.
Too bad we can't outlaw all gambling here in the states. Nothing like having the government in charge of all things immoral.
Who ever signed off on this law probably should have a freedom personally taken away from them. Do it! We have the internet now to congregate easily and stop these freedom crimes quickly. Remember that you all out number who ever is trying to make the rules.
I live in Las Vegas.obviously I  do not understand this ban.Why has it gone this far ?  Politics  "
Cash poker and tournements should be banned in the USA as well.  We forget the thousands of people who lose at these tournements and what happens to their families and lives.
This sounds like so many "high horse" moralists in the U.S. where most states outlaw poker and the Feds outlawed on-line poker for money. Welcome to our world
Is this law in effect for online Hold'em games as well?
P-P-P-Poker face, P-P-Poker face!

Party-pooping Russians!
SMART MOVE. KEEP NEW KIDS OFF THE GAME.  THIS GAME WILL HURT SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE, CHASING 2 THE RIVER   AND DROWNING IN THE RIVER. FUN GAME IF U ARE ABLE TO PLAY FOR FUN, BUT MOST ADDICTS OF THIS GAME I KNOW, WILL ALWAYS EXIST AT THE RAIL. NEVER TO GET THEIR YOUTHFUL EXPERIENCES BACK.  ALWAYS CHASING A STUPID DREAM OF GLORY, AND ALWAYS BEING BROKE.  I WAS ONE OF THOSE DUMB TEENAGER.  
Repression doesn't work, ever. When will people and governments figure that out?
It was bad enough when they tried to ban religion but this is going too far.
Change the game to LowBall where the lowest hand is the winner. Aces are low and straights and
flushes don't count for anything. That way it isn't poker. The lowest winning hand would be A-2-3-4-5.
i don't understand why poker is banned???
how could it possibly be a threat to the Kremlin leadership???
Like the US, Russia seems more interested in caving into those that believe that the government must protect the few (addiced gamblers), by controlling the many.   When will the governments of the world learn that they can't regulate things that bring people pleasure?  People are addicted to many things, but it is not government's role to protect a person from himself.  
Ok, first of all.....WTF.  second of all, idiots with the "wish we could ban this in the USA."  Yes, we should ban the game simply because a select few cant restrain themselves, and ruin their families finances.....you are blind, bigoted, and need a reality check.  The USA was founded on "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness."  Read the preamble to the constitution if you don't believe me.  Subjugation of anothers happiness to make you happy, is a violation, therefore compromise is needed.  just cos you think gambling is immoral, doesnt make it immoral.

If you dont wanna gamble, no one is forcing you.  Its like pornography:  If ya dont like it, dont watch it, but don't force your morals upon others.

and to "Christians"  Jesus said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." The Bible also states that we are not to Judge others, lest we judge ourselves.  So knock it off

One cannot call themselves true Christians, if you do not live by ALL the stated rules and laws, you cannot pick and choose.

yay for a rant, but some of the comments here pissed me off
Banning legal gambling wont prevent gambling addicts form imploding. They will just shift to some new form of personal destruction.
The reason they banned it,and they control over there and here at home  is pretty simple,THEY CANT TAX HOME GAMES!!!In Vegas,AC,Rhino ect.They can control and monitor that money thats in play and they can tax it appropriately.But if they dont control it,You,Me,Teddy KGB,ect,would be making money that would be TAX FREE!and uncle SAM and every other goverment isnt having any of that!Their excuse is that its for the good of the poeple,if thats the case why are cigarettes still legal?...because Lorilard pays its TAXES!!!
You folks don't seem to understand.  This isn't about poker.  It's about controlling and knowing about the flows of currency.

In my opinion the state wants a bird's eye view of all money that could end up in the hands of rogue organizations.  There's so much money that can be laundered through these types of transactions, I think that's what's making them nervous.

Just an idea... not sure if I'm right.
Sounds like to me that Russia needs a Poker Czar. Woudl work for the Omaba Administration. let me show you how this works.
i agree with jay from indonesia.i think he hit it on the money. i am also wondering if this aplies to the internet sites.
that meens moscow millions touney held for over a decade be banned so many folks lose out on becoming new millionaires,well poker is a sport its been around for over thousands of years look at your bible they threw dice for christ cloths,also monaco millions been around for over 100 years and there wsop held every year over 600 prizes see harrars casino got it few years back and jamie gold won 12 million few years back,poker after dark on nbc is played live they even have amateur players,poker is more fun than slots machines,its better to play in a touney you pay a small fee if you advance you have chance at some prize,i think poker are be a olmpic game where allkinds nations have there best players ready to win gold,silver,bronze ,,,,well there still the euro poker millions,also lottos held in many nations and folks win in the lottos you buy tickets some can figure the # out to win,some buy the tickets like guy in north dakota he won 234 million and the law took most of it and gave him 87 million dollars lumpsume thats alot of taxes they charge in usa,if you win a million you have give half to charity or 50% to the irs
Cash poker and tournements should be banned in the USA as well.  We forget the thousands of people who lose at these tournements and what happens to their families and lives.-----------

I guess they should ban the stock market too since people can lose everything there also?
Thr real problem the Kremlin is trying to adress is organized crime. The run many of the casino's and poker houses... and they cheat. They cheat badly and often. If someone ever does win big, the odds are good they will be followed out and roughed up, and the money will be recovered. It has become such a problem, the Russian govt feels it needs to protect it's citizens, and since the police are so easily bribed, banning them completely is one of the few options they think is even workable. I am not expressing an opinion on wether I think the Russian govt is acting correctly or not, just trying to explain why they are doing what they are doing. I find it shocking and a great disservice to your readers that this article doesn't even mention any of that. Equally disturbing is the lack of knowledge of the subject matter on the part of many of your readers who have posted here. When the media chooses how to report a story, as is the case here, and gives you an biased and incomplete statement of the facts, it gives people the wrong impression. Only by reading about this issue at several other other media sites am I fully informed about what is really going on. This is NOT responsible journalism on your part.  
For Sheldon,
You relocate to Moscow, I'll stay here and enjoy my freedom to choose to play...we'll both be happy!
I live in Moscow, I play with the writer of this article, it is a sham, in my opinion, the banning of the casino's then the poker clubs is a ruse, within a year they will re-open but with a new share holder.. the government...

The game I have come to love, NLTHE I can only play on line.. well, we will still play, but in private, apartments and the like
Russia is now moving backwards. First is poker, then music, and finally Freedom. Vladimir Putin will be the next Joseph Stalin if the russian people dont wake up and open your eyes. History is repeating itself.
The US needs to take the lead of Russia and China, ban all poker games whether played for money or not and then block access to all websites that allow you play or even talk about poker. then we can finally be free.
What is the government trying to do? Make us all live in a little box and do nothing but serve them for profits. Down with the system and establishment that tries to control our thoughts and thinking like cattle to the slaughterhouse.
The Russian government has always been suspicious of any practice, product, or idea that whiffs of "western decadence". I remember the partyline coming out of the Kremlin in the 80's about the evils of rock music and blue jeans... yes that's right, blue jeans. It seems that some of the russian leadership is still locked in the grip of the communist apparitchik. Time to leave your stone age behind, and realize that the west has yet to fall.  I've met some pretty cool people from Russia, and they deserve a break from the past, and look to a future that is not crushed by obsolete, old line ideas. By the way, I am a christian. I think that in moderation this would not be a problem, but anything taken to the extreme is damaging to those who may become addicted to it.
VEEERRRYYY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!
To all of you who agree that this should also be banned in here; how about we ban you from breathing? Let people live their lives as they choose, you control freaks are OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!!


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