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Looking at China unrest from Mongolian perch

Posted: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:30 AM
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ULAN BATOR, Mongolia – As events unfold in Xinjiang Province, we have seen a resurgence of ethnic Chinese nationalist sentiment mixed with fear and mistrust of not just the Uighur people but also the outside world.

China’s central and local governments were quick to accuse the U.S.-based World Uighur Congress of fomenting racial tension in Xinjiang and alluded to "outside" terrorist and separatist organizations working together to split up the country.

Meanwhile, China’s blogosphere has been rife with Han Chinese outrage at the foreign media coverage of the violence, calling it prejudiced and erroneous. And on the streets of Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang, Western reporters have faced angry mobs of Han Chinese accusing them of a long-standing bias against China.

Image: Mongolians today prefer looking west, not to Russia or to China.
Adrienne Mong / NBC News
Mongolians today prefer looking west, not to Russia or to China.

But looking at the unrest in Xinjiang from a neighboring country like Mongolia offers an interesting perspective on China’s regional reputation. Whether the Chinese would acknowledge it or not, unfortunately the long reach of history often influences modern attitudes much more than any current day media reports.

How to insult a Mongol
The first thing we learned upon arriving at the Mongolian capital of Ulan Bator was that one way of insulting a Mongol was to tell him, "You are Chinese."

Our translator, a good-natured 26-year-old nicknamed Togo, explained, "It just means that you think the person is very rude."

That’s nowhere as offensive as it could be, given the historical enmity between Mongolia and China. But this little bit of cultural exchange, as it were, goes a long way to illustrate how the Chinese are viewed by some neighbors – and how they increasingly may be seen in light of unrest in Tibet and Xinjiang.

An intertwined history
Over the centuries, the two countries have fought bitterly for supremacy.

One of China’s great but short-lived dynasties was Mongolian. Kublai Khan, the grandson of Genghis Khan, established the Yuan dynasty in 1271 and made Beijing the capital of his empire. (It should be noted that ethnic Chinese culture flourished under this "foreign" Imperial Court, which promoted cultural diversity and welcomed outside ideas and outsiders, including Marco Polo.)

The succeeding dynasty, the Ming, rebuilt and fortified the Great Wall with the Mongols in mind – to keep them out of China.

Mongolia, in turn, lost a considerable amount of territory to the Chinese led by the Manchu during the Qing Dynasty. The swath of land it lost is now known as Inner Mongolia and is the third largest province in China, with almost a fifth of its residents ethnic Mongols. (In fact, China has more Mongols than Mongolia.) And they from time to time accuse the Chinese government of discriminating against them.

Image: Zaisan Memorial atop a hill in Ulan Bator was built by the Russians to commemorate unknown soldiers.
Adrienne Mong / NBC News
Zaisan Memorial atop a hill in Ulan Bator was built by the Russians to commemorate unknown soldiers.

Inner Mongolia is also where – 800 years after the death of Genghis Khan, with almost as long a history of demonizing him as the leader of savage barbarian hordes – the Chinese have recently tried to reinvent the great Mongol warrior as one of their own. At the height of this rebranding push, critics concluded that China’s policy of assimilating Genghis was meant to reinforce the official line that Inner Mongolia has always been an integral part of China.

Fortunately, for Beijing, Inner Mongolia has not been riven by the kind of ethnic strife witnessed in Tibet or Xinjiang. Perhaps that’s because – unlike the Uighurs in Xinjiang province or the Tibetans – the Mongols actually have their own nation, even if at times Mongolia feels constrained by its much more powerful neighbor.

‘Caught between two hungry wolves’
I was particularly alert when, here in Ulan Bator, Togo introduced me to curious Mongols as an American and avoided any mention of my Chinese roots even when they were clearly mystified by my ethnicity.

Later, in private conversation, Togo described in great detail the animosity many Mongolians still feel toward China and the Chinese.

"We are like the deer, caught between two hungry wolves," he said to me, referring to Mongolia’s precarious geography between Russia and China.

And Russia, many Mongolians feel, has been the less hungry of the two – hence the close relationship between the two communist governments for several decades. In recent times, however, officials in Ulan Bator have played a cautious game of diplomacy with the Chinese, who have not hesitated to express their displeasure when crossed.

Take the Tibet situation, for example.

Through a common religion, Tibet and Mongolia have strong historical ties. Mongolia, which is predominantly Buddhist, practices the Yellow Hat sect, whose spiritual leader is the Dalai Lama. 

But when the Dalai Lama last visited Ulan Bator, in 2006, the Mongolian government took great pains to keep the trip low-key, calling it a religious exchange. After all, during a 2002 visit by him, the Chinese government protested by cutting off rail links with landlocked Mongolia for two days.

Many Mongolians feel a strong kinship with Tibet, and this is especially true for monks. Outside Gandan Monastery – Mongolia’s largest and most important Buddhist monastery – a monk told us that he had visited Dharamsala, India, many times to meet the Dalai Lama and that he hoped to be able to visit Tibet in his lifetime. But when asked what he thought about China’s relationship with Tibet, he demurred, preferring – like his government – not to take a public stance.

Image: Mongolia's oldest and most important monastery, Gandan, where Tibetan Buddhism thrives.
Adrienne Mong / NBC News
Mongolia's oldest and most important monastery, Gandan, where Tibetan Buddhism thrives.

Looking farther afield to America
Today, Mongolia looks neither to Russia nor to China.  Instead, the government – especially under newly elected President Tsakhia Elbegdorj – wants to reorient the country toward the United States and its close allies, such as South Korea or Japan. 

In fact, Elbegdorj, who in May won on a campaign of hope and anti-corruption, was responsible for steering the nation’s education system toward adopting English as a second language instead of Russian.  In his youth, he attended the University of Colorado-Boulder and then Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. Election campaigners in Mongolia dubbed him their Barack Obama, and he won votes from the country’s overwhelmingly youthful population.

But America isn’t in the headlines these days. Xinjiang is. And Togo has listened to our discussions about the unrest in Xinjiang with great curiosity. When I asked him about the coverage of the story in Mongolia, he laughed.  We’ve been working so hard this week, he hasn’t had time to keep up with the news, he said. But tonight he was going home to read as much as he could. 

Tomorrow, he smiled, we could talk about it.

Related links: How China is spinning the Uighur riots
World Blog: Chinese open up - slightly - over Uighur riots
CFR: Why China's Xinjian spiraled out of control

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All the peoples surroundering China hate the Chinese and want to destroy them.  Only the Chinese truly love their enemies.  They will survive and prosper for another six thousand years. By then, all their enemies will have vanished from their neigbourhood.
I find in the biggest China bashing posts if you replaced the word China with America, it would ring even more true to people around the world.
Xinjian, Tibet, Inner Mongolia are all integral parts of China. It is an internal Chinese policy and the world expects China to resolve its own problems without outside agitators interference.
When is China going to give up all these lands?  Shortly after the US gives all the land back to the native Americans and Hawaiians.  It ain’t gonna happen.

More likely, all these ethnic minorities will slowly be assimilated into the greater pan-Chinese society, like the Chinese have done with all the other people/cultures through out history.  
That the Han(chinese) are racist is a fact! Not only do they oppress the minorities in their own land, Xinjing, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, they forment trouble in the countries of SE Asia, Malaysia and Indonesia in particular. My Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian Chinese friends have always made comments against their host nation's ethnic majority which would be considered Racist in the West. They earn their money in SE Asia, But refuse to assimilate into the mainstream society, Why? because the Han are racists!
I thought it was a well-written article.  That doesn't mean that I now think that all Chinese are rude and that all ethnic minorities in China are sainted.  Indeed, on a rudeness scale from 1 to 10, Genghis Khan would probably have ranked a 20.  I think it's useful, though, for Americans to be continually reminded that China -- or the Asian world more generally -- is not monolithic.  There are divisions, as there are in any country or geographic region.  We know from our own history that ethnic divisions can present difficulties and ethnic tensions can be difficult to address.  We also know that there tends to be an "official" view of the difficulties that predominates in government communications and on the airwaves -- a view that people on all sides of the issue often end up disliking.

A question.  We talk about how China is flooding minority regions with millions of ethnic Han.  The evil intent, so it is said, is to undermine the original ethnic culture.  How different, really is that from affirmative action or busing?  The result of these policies is that minorities become "more white."  Or, saying this another way, many, if not most, Americans are comfortable with the "merging" of the races.  Given the differences in numbers in these different groups, isn’t that "merging" really more of an "absorption"?  I'm not even saying this as a criticism of such policies.  If one has a racial divide, one needs to bridge it.  Vanishingly few would advocate a semi-autonomous Black area in the US.  Why then are separate ethnic regions a good idea in China?

I do get annoyed with so much of the American press for their lack of honesty about ethnic or cultural divisions in foreign countries.  Minorities in other lands are almost always depicted as being oppressed.  We stand up for their rights at convenient times--ignoring them at others--all the while furthering our own political and economic interests and generating ad revenues for various crusading news outlets.  In fact, the greatest eraser of cultural distinctions is mass media.  American media claims to celebrate diversity.  It seems to me, however, that the meanings of words like Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian have been rewritten by this same media in an effort to make everyone's behavior falls within a very narrow range.  The end result is that tastes, though not identical, are remarkably similar across hundreds of millions of people--an advertiser's dream.  If a deliberate policy of homogenizing western China for social stability is evil, why is a deliberate policy of homogenizing the North American continent for marketing not evil?
Keep on bashing about China and Chinese.  Regardless the ruling party, China is not as weak as 100 years ago. Not a tiny chance to lose any more land. Keep in mind, a smaller China is probably easy to bully with, to fit the size of your walnut heads. Forget about democracy, your noble thought. Arrogant writers, when did the Moguls swept through most of the EuroAsia?
Overall, this is a very well written article.  It should also be noted that no where in the article does the author or anyone else ask that Inner Mongolia or Tibet be released from China to go their own way as separate nations or as part of Mongolia.  It would also be unrealistic to expect this to happen.  

In the first pace no nation on earth is going to simply give up an area as large as Inner Mongolia that they have had as part of their country for over 300 years, the very though is ludicrous.  As for Tibet, it was taken over by China in 1949 and due to political and “face” reasons it will not be released from China’s control in the near future.

As many of the comments have said the United States has been an imperialistic nation, one I am proud to be a citizen of.  Each nation makes decisions’ that are in the best interest of that nation.  China, the United Kingdom, France, Japan, Russia and all other great powers have been imperialistic at some time in there history and will always act in that they feel is in the best interest of there country.

It should be noted however that although the United States has done many things in the past and present that I am not proud of we have also done many great things just as China and the other World powers have done.  However, the comment that the United States will not give up territory that it has taken over is total false.  One look at Iraq today and the other citations shown below should show.

Former Territories of Occupied lands the United States (incomplete)
• Line Islands (?–1979): all U.S. claims ceded to Kiribati upon its independence.
• Panama Canal Zone (1903–1979): sovereignty returned to Panama.
• Corn Islands (1914–1971): returned to Nicaragua.
• Roncador Bank (1856–1981): Colombia in September 7, 1981 by treaty.
• Quita Sueño Bank (1869–1981): was ceded to Colombia in September 7, 1981 by treaty.
• Serrana Bank (?–1981): was ceded to Colombia in September 7, 1981 by treaty.
• Philippine Islands (1902–1935); Commonwealth of the Philippines (1935–1946): Full independence in 1946.
• Phoenix Islands (?–1979): ceded to Kiribati upon its independence.
• Philippines (April 11, 1899–July 4, 1901): civil government operations began.
• Cuba (April 11, 1899–May 20, 1902): sovereignty recognized as Republic of Cuba .
• Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (1947–1986): included the Compact of Free Association nations (Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau) and the Northern Mariana Islands
• Ryukyu Islands (1952–1972): returned to Japanese control, included some other minor islands under the Agreement Between the United States of America and Japan concerning the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands.[5]
• Bonin Islands (or Ogasawara Islands) (1945-1968): Returned to Japanese control by mutual agreement.
• Marcus Island (or Minami Torishima) (1945-1968): Returned to Japanese control by mutual agreement.
• American Occupation Zones in Austria and Vienna (1945–1955)
• American Occupation Zone in West Berlin (1945–1990)
• American Occupation Zones in Allied Occupation Zones in Germany (1945–1949)
• Japan (1945–1952)
• Rhineland (Germany) (1918–1921)
• South Korea (1945–1948)
• Coalition Provisional Authority Iraq (2003-2004)
• Green zone Iraq (March 20, 2003–December 31, 2008[7])
Jack...It is certainly fair to compare the Europeans conquering of America to the Chinese conquering of their neighbors.  It is however completely unwarranted to compare the contemporary history of the two countries.  Take Texas, they have the legal right to succeed from America, they do not because they don't WANT to.  The Tibetans want to, The Uighurs want to, perhaps the Inner Mongolians want to.  The difference is when the Texans talk about it, no army is sent to beat and kill them.  I don't know China's history well enough to know how to solve this problem.  I do know the way the Chinese gov't is handling it would not be allowed to happen in this country today.
If you ask the Chinese free Tibet, then ask the Americans free Louisiana;then you might really understand more about the so called freedom and rights!

By the way, please educate our Chinese people how to be not "rude"! what is rude? what is not rude?
It's ironic that many Americans in this forum support the independence of Inner Mongolia, Tibet or Xinjiang. As Americans, we should all well aware of our own history. Our ancestors forcefully grabbed lands from the native Indians and our governments repeatedly violated treaties with them. Now the Indians are left with no country of their own. Indian Reservations are located in undesirable parts and nowhere near as a country.  
Now, unfortunately, many ignorant Americans claim to have higher moral standards by criticizing other nations. The world has always been "the strongers dominates the weakers" because the law of the nature is for the survival of the fittest. Any questions?
I don't know why the westen medias they hate China so much.The US and other coutries they declared to have more democracy than China.But why don't they just tell the world the truth,Have you ever been to China,have you ever know what commom people (all nationalitis)think?come on,Tibet and Xinjian are parts of China ,this is the truth even before the foundation of PRC,As far as I know,the Minorities they have priorities to the Han Chinese.They can have more Children ,they can go to universities at a lower marks.I used to have some classmates of minorities ,I know what they want .Common people they don't want Tibet and Xinjiang to be dependent,what they want is a good life,Only a few people they want to ,because they want to be the kings of the kindom, so they can superior the the common people
Using history to sanction the issues with the ethnic minorities in China is not an appropriate argument for the problems at hand.  Yes, during the time of exploration. many nations took control of lands that belonged to indiginous peoples.  If we were to learn from history (that is what history is suppose to do), we would know that we should respect the rights of the indiginous peoples to their own land.  I just returned from China and found that the Chinese people are standing up straight as Moa taught them but they  are also being taught that Moa was a positive influence for the people of China. After killing millions of people, the government of China still has his picture up everywhere and the people that I spoke with saw him as a great leader.  So, I ask you-is Hitler's picture on German money?  I think not.  The German people learn from their mistakes.  I don't think the Chinese people are allowed to learn from their mistakes because the government won't let them.
We onl have this one planet (for now). The lines on the ground that determine what location is in what country are already drawn. To change these lines is always a problem. One must work within these lines with the people and the government already there. No one wins in war. No one wins in fighting. I have been to Inner Mongolia and to Xin Jiang many many times to visit common people there. Most of the people are happy, hard working and are not singled out as a minor ethnic group. The Chinese government has to handle 1.3 - 1.8 billion people. All the strife these minorities see is seen by only a few, most work hard, study well and live...happy. This Chinese government provides this and tries to do it the best way....but you try it with that many people...it is hard to do and keep everyone satisfied. Every country has minorities that must be integrated into the whole society and culture. I am not saying the Chinese government is fair or doing the right thing....I am saying I see a country coming from the depths of a really poor leader's ideas to a high profile, modern nation. I have been to China over 30 times and to some of the other countries around it. You have to see where they are coming from to see how they get to this position.
Lets not all be hypocritical; criticism begins at home: when we talk about people taking other nations' homelands, ask where the independent Native American nations are, including those who had formal treaties, with Congress, guaranteeing their sovereign rights; treaties which were ALL violated when the ruling racists wanted more land for (European) invaders termed "settlers". It was OK for minority whites in South Africa, and for European Jews in Palestine. Why is it bad when competitors of the US do it, but white-washed when the US (or our "allies") do it??  
It seemded that people are learning history from Media rather than from history itself. Isn't it a failure of our education system? Isn't it a root cause of declining American leadership in the world?
wow! Isn't it amazing how we can attack China for not being right in step with most of the other countries on human rights issues. Better still to attack a country that pours financial aid into their land grabbing sections of land. Do we so soon forget all that has happened to this country in 2008?They have embarrassed the United States Government by clearing up and rebuilding most of what that devasting earth quake destroyed in may of 2008 and is rebuilding with stricter guidelines and building codes.While the good ole U.S.A. has not done as well with the katrina incident. All the financial aid that pours into Tibet and Mongolia to care for "ALL" the people there and speak of the riots brought on in Tibet and who was at te forfront of instgating and inciting the people to riot. Those dear sweet Tibetan Monks were up front and leading to the destruction and carnage of those riots. But as Americans we were not shown these scenes because of the western journalists slanted reporting. What is with this fear that we as americans have against the Chinese?? Is it the Chinese people who have taken away your jobs or is it the Corporations Executives who have seen a better way to line their pockets with even more profits. If you wish to show your hatred, then at least direct it where it belongs. Every time you look in the articles written by western journalists  you see the pointing of fingers at the Chinese Government. In 2008 it was all about Tibet, then the western journalism turned away to the destruction and the mighty efforts put forth by the Government to do all in its power to help the quake victims, then they were still able to endure the harshest winter in 46 years and yet pulled it together enough to put on and carry out the most fantastic visual display for the Olympics and now the western journalism again points fingers at Inner Mongolia and its cries for a supposed freedom but, really what do they gain by ridding themselves of Chinese rule to only fall prey to countries like Japan and the U.S.A. who watch and hope for an opportunity to get their sticky fingers on some of the vast natural resources of Mongolia. Seems like a magicians trick with smoke and mirrors and slight of hand!!!!

I find the comparisons of China to America, etc, severely out of date. In modern America, even in those lands gained by conquest or extermination of native peoples, those peoples (AND everyone else who is here legally) are protected by the law and invited to participate in our society and government.

While this may not always have been true (arguably, it wasn't until the post-MLK era), in China the circumstances are currently even worse than they were in earlier American times.

Part of the articles about the Uyghur protests mentions the closure of mosques; the Dalai Lama has been exiled from his homeland for being a religious leader, etc, while in the US we have never persecuted a *religious* group or used government powers or forces to close houses of worship, even temporarily.

And all that aside... what about freedom of the press? What is China afraid of? That we'll know what they are actually doing to their own people?

Oh... wait. Yeah. They *are* afraid of that.
It is a dumb article written by the dumb for the ignorant "back home".  Americans tend to import their own race problems to the other parts of the world. Sort of one-size fit all.

There is a glaring error in the article.  Chinese always respect the exploits of the Mongols and regard Gengis Khan as their national hero.  There is no question of rebranding.  Rebranding happened in Outer Mongolia because during the Ruski occupation of that state, Gengis Khan was a non-person. The Mongols ruled Russia for 3 centuries and Ruskies had no love for the great Khan. Ms Mong should do East Asia History 101.

The Chinese are always there, in what is Inner Mongolia [and Outer Mongolia too before they were driven out by the Ruskies in the twenties], Xinjiang and Tibet.

Trying to stir up racial hatred thereby serving the American and the West strategic interest [of cutting China to a smaller size] is a dangerous game and is born to stir up nationalism and conflicts.

What happens if one ask why don't the Americans give back the lands they seized during the Mexican Wars in the 19th century to the poor Mexicans? Tibet Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia are integral part of China, under any mode of government, as much as California, Arizona and New Mexico is American.

The Chinese are never racist.  We have not got anything equivalent to "Chinese Exclusion Acts".  Perhaps Ms Mong should dig up this subject and find out from the Chinese communities in America how the Chinese suffered under these Acts which were not abolished until 1942. Perhaps, her ancestor was like mine, being a victim of these Acts.





As for native Americans, they are self-governed, preserve their own cultural identities, and basically get a free ride on the US goverment if they wish to take advantage of all of the benefits.

Was it right to do what the US settlers did?  No.  Is it right for the Chinese?  No.  So why the arguments involving this name-calling "logic"?

As for resettlement, the Vietnamese government has been quietly resettling Cambodia with ethnic Vietnamese to take tax and tourism money, and agricultural products for Vietnam's gain.  Why isn't anyone mentioning this?  

Where's the outrage?  Acquisition and greed are the human condition.  China is just continuing what the US did over a century ago.  They're even imitating the US hydroelectric projects and buying the US' used factory equipment.
Is it that someone is trying to bring down walmart ? by stoking ethnic tensions in the region and subsequent choas in the business and trade. I hope not. Lets be competitive rather than subversive.
If you look at history, it characterizes, mongolians as warriors, chinese (han) as materilistc minded progressive types , and uighers as nomads and layback herdsmen.
I find it astonishing how many Americans admonish China's invasion and subsequent taking of Tibet, and yet fail to realize that the states of California, New Mexico, Arizona, and parts of Texas were forcefully taken from Mexico. Hey if China gives Tibet its land back, we should give Mexico,  California, Texas,New Mexico and Arizona back.

This article is written from a medial myopic view. It only addresses the Western point of view, and seems to be a self-explanatory example of the Western media bias that the chinese claim they see. The article should include both points of view not one.

  And another thing. When was the Yuan dynasty glorious? The mongolians invaded and killed millions of people, including a third of Europe with the spreading of bubonic plague which they carried. They had their area, and yet they invaded many nations, that shared different cultural, ethnic and linguistic characteristics.
- Maybe the mongols are angry that a once powerful nation, is now such a weak nation? It always hurts going from a somebody to a nobody.
All the peoples surrounding China hate the Chinese and want to destroy them.  Only the Chinese truly love their enemies and want them all to be "Chinese". This policy was as old, and as shrewd, as Confucius, seemingly a stupid man to the Western eyes. The task was made a little more difficult because the Whites had been stirring up shits throughout China in the last one and a half centuries.  The Chinese will prevail no matter what.  They had succeeded in Northeastern, Southeastern and Central parts of China where the peoples had become more Chinese than the original Chinese themselves!  It is right for the whites to go outer-space and live in another planet. But the Chinese will pursue them there soon enough!
Jack of NY,
Surely you don't believe that China, with it's torture chambers and murderous government is morally superior to the US?  I'm sure it sounds pious, but I know for a fact that the US govt, with all its faults, is morally superior to the Chinese govt.  Don't get me wrong, all people, as individuals have their moral shortcomings --I'm referring to govts here, not individuals.
West’s hatred for the Chinese people - not just its government – is clearly projected through it “just” and “unbiased” news medium.

In demonizing an ancient people with a proud and glorious  civilization, the West projects its own intimately-known evils of racism, colonialism, hypocrisy, barbarism, and cruelty onto the historically-feared Chinese. Two birds with one stone: the West gets relief from its own guilt -- after all, it has got a lot of blood on it hands in the last 500 years in Africa and the Americas--and indulges in murderous envy of a people who are returning to her rightful place in the world.
COME ON PEOPLE tell me that you are not THAT stupid when it comes to international affairs. The question "Why does the U.S. government want to stir up other cultures against each other in China"? I mean that would REALLY make our day SOOO much better. Think about it, a divided China is a weak China and an all out rebellion in mainland China would weaken the Chinese militarily for hopefully decades which would by us some time with the Iranian situation. And we will not have to be worried about China's military ambitions for quite some time.
I would assume that since everyone is so upset about what china is doing in tibet and xinjiang that you are just as upset at the same government policies in africa by the french, chinese, north and south americans...and at the policies of racism by israel and other mid east nations against small ethnic groups...and of europe against its ethnic groups that do not yet have their own nations and what about southeast asia or south american ethnic groups - all of you (and me) - including the chinese - need to take a longggggggggggggggg look in the mirror and stop talking and start doing ... thank you.
A good article,
but Americans should return all land to the Indians according to the key points of this article.
So another problem will be raised.
Where these American should be back?
It is a realy big problem.

But I think the civilized Americans can solve it.
Maybe they can come to Iranq, Afghanistan......
It is a unwinnable argument. These Pro-Chinese or fifty cent idiots as they are more commonly known, because the PRC GOVT pays them fifty cents for any artiucles they attack are incapable of accepting the truth. The facts are simple they took over Tibet and Xijiang by promising that they would be allowed to rule themselves. A promise the Chinese have never honored. Forth thing they did when they got their hands on the lands was to migrate hundreds of 1000's of han Chinese into the areas. I agree with Distant Relative, this is very disrespectful. You Pro Chinese who have sld your souls should be ashamed of yourselves. You are hypocrites supporting a corrupt govt that only wants to suppress you and keep you away from the truth. Go overseas and see the world for what it is and your govt for what it represents. as long as you are submissive you will be seen as towing the CCP line.
I wonder what is the use of expressing a opinion on this website or any site like it. Does it release your personal frustrations with events / activities that happen somewhere in the world? Maybe.

I do know it does very little to influence regional or world politics - anyone that writes here doesn't have any real power. Or if they do, writing here does nothing to influence decisions.

Praise to the lord this is the case. There is so much mis-information written here it is somewhat funny.

Give yourself a chance people, read a book, watch tv, or simply chat about social things. Alternatively get some power to really influence decisions.

Have a great day All!
  There are 35 million Han Chinese in Inner Mongolia, but only 3 million ethnic Mongols. What's to "return?"
  There are 2.7 million Mongols in Mongolia, but 100,000 Chinese nationals there on extended visas. Why? The best question asked in this blog is, "What does China want from Mongolia?"
  Mongolia has some oil. More significantly, it has massive deposits of copper, lignite and gold. The situation is being watched carefully by Asian and Western nations, including the U.S., Japan and South Korea. Should be interesting.
A totalitarian government with no legitimacy can only use nationalism to brainwash its people.  Hitler did in 1930s, so do commies in China today.  As an American with Taiwanese heritage, I totally agree with the distance relative of Chengis Kahn.  The biggest weapon o f mass destruction China has is 1.2 billion Han Chinese.   Not only migrate millions of Han to the regions that Chinese commies cannot brandish their iron hands, but take the control of the livelihood of other ethnicities.  

I am not surprising the bloodbaths happened in Tibet and Eastern Turkestan.  It happened in Taiwan on February and March, 1946, Chinese government slaughtered over 30,000 elite Taiwanese after Taiwanese peacefully protested for discriminations and economic hardship.  I understood why Mongolians don’t want to be called Chinese.  I don’t want to be called Chinese too.  One of My Vietnamese friends felt offended when the first time I met him and thought he was Chinese.

Last year, Taiwanese mistakenly elected a Chinese who masqueraded as a Taiwanese as their President.  Things changed so fast.  He prohibited Dalai Lama visiting the island.  He would not condemn the barbaric behavior of Chinese government against Uyghur.  He welcomed the immigrants from China. He allowed students to use Chinese simplified characters in entrances exams.  In no times, Taiwan will be overwhelmed by the Chinese. Another massacre can be near,

I admire that Mongolians bravely severe tie with China in 1945.
This is to distant relative of Chengis Khan and others who are interested in history.  Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.  If its ethnic cleansing we are talking about lets get the natives riled up here so as to regain our territory from the f---ing  us g.  Genocide against tribal societies has been the modus operandi ever since the european invasion of N. America.  What the Chinese do to maintain sovereignty pales by comparison to the destruction of tribal life of this country.
Distant Relative of Crazy Horse
interestingly those who are not chinese and know nothing about china's histroy can talk sooooo confidently. But at least I figured out that there is no good ends for those who want to disrupt other country's intergation and peace. Then I can get the conclusion: think about the 911 and the recently dead US and UK army, that's not misrable thing or the attack of terrorist. It's just a deserved punishment of those western countries that always trying to interfering other countries rights or peopele's freedom. Say whatever you want, against to chinese people or chinese government as much as you can, but finally, you will get the equal judgement by (using your own word) 'God'!
More than a hundrad yesrs ago, the western countries led by the British, tried to invade and exploit the Chinese people by imposing opium to them (that was later referred to as "the opium war" in Chinese history). When rightfully refused, they forced their way all the way to the capital,Beijing, of then Qing Dynasty with modern weapons.They killed, looted and raped Chinese people. The British took away Hong Kong, among many other things, from the Chinese people and kept it till 1996. Ever since then and untill 1994, the Chinese was bullyed, mistreated by many other countries, especially the western countries.
Now the history seems to be repeating itself, the western countries are trying to conquor China once more by imposing opium in a different form: democracy.
Please remember how the US invaded Iraq with the pretense of promoting "democracy", then killed thousand of thousands innocent Iraqs, and caused the nation to fall into the biggest chaos in its history.
Look at the land we are standing on. It used to belong to millions of happy native Americans hundrads of years ago before the Europeans arrived, then they were killed and their land was taken away.
ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER SINNED CAN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
Leave the Chinese alone. Stop meddling in Chinese internal affairs.
Sirring up trouble bwteen the Chinese and it minority ethnic groups is a conspiracy and scheme by the western countries to weaken the emerging China.
Divide and conquor is a dirty trick, and it is too shallow in modern days
Enough,China became important to Americans only as they became more competitive.I only Hope they don't adopt our economic system.that will really put them on a collision course with the EU and the USA.

with regards to the ethnic issue America has nothing to be pround about with regards to history and their treatment of minority groups.Every country  today that have sent minority groups have suffered and were discrinted against. Even the native Indians are nearly exterminated.The Hawaiians the native are sttempting a cme back.

America is too Eurocentric, it was not Columbus but the Chinese who first set foot in America. THe age of the Renassiance in Europe was started by the Chinese
IT is not until the record is corrected that we will  see a change in attitude  about what is occurring in China.
Enough,China became important to Americans only as they became more competitive.I only Hope they don't adopt our economic system.that will really put them on a collision course with the EU and the USA.

with regards to the ethnic issue America has nothing to be proud about with regards to history and their treatment of minority groups.Every country  today that have sent minority groups have suffered and were discrinted against. Even the native Indians are nearly exterminated.The Hawaiians the native are attempting a come back.

America is too Eurocentric, it was not Columbus but the Chinese who first set foot in America. THe age of the Renassiance in Europe was started by the Chinese
IT is not until the record is corrected that we will  see a change in attitude  about what is occurring in China.
AS an American I am distressed to hear so many talk about PR China as if it were just another unimportant nation, one that should willingly cut off 1/3 of its territory to satisfy small ethnic minorities. It makes as much sense as the USA letting the Navahos/Dine, Pueblo and Zunis have AZ, NM, NV, UT and CO. AFter all they are still here, still have their own culture, and we can only imagine how much better their lives would be free of the White American yolk right?
China as a great nation (love it or hate it) WILL and MUST take precedence over any other provincial concern within, and compared to the 1.1BILLION Chinese, the need for a few million Mongolians or a few million Tibetans to claim 1/3 of the current PR China seem absurd and ridiculous - just as gifting our Western states to the Native Americans STILL THERE seems silly to us.

With so many of us spouting such hypocritical idiocy, basically expecting PRChina to severe a arm and leg to please our deluded notions of "fairness" its no wonder that Chinese everywhere feel it necessary to NOT trust us and view as an inevitable enemy rather than a potential partner.

The whole notion of any of us, citizens of one of the youngest nations, speaking so haughtily in regards to what the world's oldest continuing civilization/nation should do, telling it to cede 1/3 of its territory to 1% of its population, well is almost impossible to  understand, beyond absurd. It's pathetic and laughable.

Tibet before the PRChinese takeover was a hardcore THEOCRACY! Ruled by a pacifist religion, that took 1/3 appox. of the adult menfolk and turned them into priests who did NOT work. They spent their lives worshiping, while the rest of the country paid for that. Women especially suffered. Lamaism is NO different than any other religion. Once given power it became blind to its excesses and all methods ensuring it kept power were legal and used.

Mongolia only exists thanks to Stalin. Otherwise it too would be part of the PRChina. Think about that, before you decide China should cede territory doubling it in size to make 3 million people happy while depriving 1.1billion of part of their nation.
Americans speak of democracy which is great. Now look at this: The Dalai Lama is Head of State, Head of its particular brand of Buddhism, Head of Parliament and for some of the followers a God. Where is democracy, which suppose to be a separition between religion and state?

About Ghengis Khan, did you know his mausoleum is in Inner Mongolia at the town of Erdos. Being a fan of Ghenghis Khan and retired,I visited his mausoleum in 2008, very impressive. Erdos is in the autonomous region of Inner Mongolia, part of China. I was there with a Han Chinese, the Mongolians were not offended when I asked a few if they are Chinese, since to tell you frankly from most of the time I do not see the difference.

Too bad China always get bashed by people who never been there or only briefly visited. Last year alone I spent 6 months in China and this year already 4 months. China is a peaceful country and has no ambitions to conquer other countries. By the looks of it will most likely safe the world from the financial crisis.
Personnaly I lived 10 years in Asia, 30 years in Europe and 15 years in the US of A. Travelling is my passion.

What kind of people will beheads other human beings not known to them, except the victims are mostly non-Muslims; burn people to a crisp; slash them with multiple stab wounds with knives brought to a "Peaceful" demonstration? Please don't tell me they do this because emotions ran high during a "Peaceful" demonstration and decide to cut off the heads of some innocent non-Muslims? What kind of hatred they harbor towards other human kinds?

And you reporters chose not to report this from the hospitals or from the victims or their families; one family of four with only the husband survived; but chose to interview Uighars from the street.(Fortunately I could read other reports). If this kind of things happened in the western world, you think people will just sit like nothing happened? Talk about double standards towards Muslim terrorists?! You don't think we should call this kind of reporting "biased"?

That people from the human rights association talk about human rights of the perpetrators? Not only it's laughable but despicable. Next time when a Terrorist Muslim (as oppose to peaceful Muslims)capture one of the western reporters and threatens to behead them, I'll use the same logic.

This is not a race riot. Nothing to do with policies etc. It's a riot instigated by Muslim terrorists pure & simple. I'll never believe that a rational human being, Muslim or not, no matter how oppressed, will slash an innocent victim so many times till he dies, someone he never met before. This is the kind of hatred and actions that a terrorist will take.

One more thing, whether Tibetans or Uighars, you can argue all you want, whose land it was historically should belong to whom. The reality at this moment, it belongs to China.

100 yrs form now, nobody can say. May be China will break up into 5 or 6 pieces just like the Soviets; may be there's no more Uighars as an entity just like the Crees. At this moment, the lands are not yours! So deal with it, especially the cards you're holding all end up deuces. And don't look to the Western countries for help. They always put their own interests first. You're just their pawns in the Great Game.

If you have any better ideas besides those already put forth, let's discuss them. Obviously CCCP thinks that when you ask them to set up a separate Eastern Turkistan nation, that constitutes "Separatism" - how ignorant could they be? CCCP is not about to listen to you, me(remember 6/4?) or Western reporters, etc. I also don't believe that the situations are so bad for everyone living in Urumgi, that people have to kill or be killed. So put up or shut up.
Something I forgot to mention ...
  While I agree the Chinese Government needs to change it's policy, I believe all protestors who turned violent and started to attack and kill innocent bystanders should be punished in accordance with the law.  Frustration with the government does NOT give anyone the right to hurt anyone else, even if, as they say, the soldiers randomly fired into the crowd.  I can understand if the protestors were fired upon and while they fled, they accidentally trampled upon other people.  However, many of the reported injuries sustained by the 184 dead appear to be deliberate bashing of the skull or other parts or the body and infliction of numerous wounds, including some victims who were burnt.  The same goes for the Han group who sought revenge on Tuesday.  While I understand their anger, I can't condone the violence.  "Revenge" will only deepen ethnic divide and hatred.  Punishment shouldn't be based on Han v. Uighur; it's the murderers v. non-murderers.      
I see many Chinese people making the argument that Americans have no right to object the destruction of minority populations in Tibet and Uighur regions on the grounds that the Native American population in North American suffered so much during the expansion of our country.  Their argument is that we have no moral authority to tell them what to do because we have partaken in similar transgressions in the short history of our country.

I believe that exactly the opposite is the case.  It is exactly because we have seen what a tragedy it is to lose a large portion of the native population and culture in our country that we have such a strong aversion to seeing it happen in another part of the world.  Unlike in China, there is not a single school child, who at some time during their education does not learn about the tragic events of our countries relationship with the Native American and African American populations.  

In American, we know what negative effect the forced settlement, and mass relocation of Native cultures had.  Yes, it is ver true that it is a blight on our history.  We simply would like to not see China make the same mistakes we did by being culturally insensitive to its minority groups who are feeling choked out by the Han majority.
Very interesting stories and I am surprised to see so many story-writters, very talented. However, I think we, everyone should mind our own business and should not interfere other countries and people's own business. And of course one should study the true history before making any comments. Without being in China, maybe not even a visit, one is not suitable to say anything good or bad about China or Chinese people. I am sure Chinese people are friendly to everyone who come and visit China, to my own experience and according to my international friends. Nobody can save the world, it will be a peaceful world if everyone, every country really want peace, not just say so. Chinese always want peace and keep a peaceful society, and China is one of the safest country in the world, without worrying being robbed walking on their own streets at night. So I want to share the truth with all of you, who want the truth and peace.
Almost every time I read the comments from your news stories, I see the same thing. There are many well educated, well formulated, and well presented arguments. I am always astonished, however, at the mix of ignorant and spiteful comments mixed in. Take for example this gem from jw0025 "Why is the US so keen on stirring up ethinic animosities in other countries?"... Huh? How is this anything to do with the US? C'mon, will you. Or how about this one from kevindatz: " Are you telling me I am rude, Adrienne Mong? Maybe I am, but please educate me how a group of 1.3 billion people are rude." Please. Because they are 1.3 billion strong, they cannot be rude? Now I'm not saying they are or aren't, but what kind of crazy logic is that? It makes me sad. Really, the truth as always lies somewhere in the middle. The Chinese govt DID import a ton of ethnic Han in an effort to change the demographics in the area. And the Uighurs have resisted transforming themselves into a more educated workforce capable of filling the new higher tech and better paying jobs, despite being given some opportunities from the chines govt. The US didn't do anything to cause it or encourage it. People beating each other to death in the streets is because of plain and simple ignorance and hatred, just as it has always been.    


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