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Tiananmen protester: ‘We were all idealists’

Posted: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:09 PM
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BEIJING – Twenty years ago, a handful of university students from some of China’s most elite institutions shot to stardom when they led a series of mass demonstrations in Beijing calling for greater freedoms and economic reforms that challenged the supremacy of the Chinese Communist Party.

For some of us who remember clearly the events of those days, the names roll off the tongue – student leaders like Wang Dan, Wu’er Kaixi, Chai Ling, and labor organizer Han Dongfang – even today, 20 years after the crackdown on the Tiananmen Square protests. 

Many of the bright lights of 1989 wound up in exile and in the intervening years have prospered in the West, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. But dozens of other organizers who came under the glare of the spotlight but didn’t flee the country were rounded up and imprisoned.

VIDEO: Peng Rong, a young protester in 1989, recalls the Tiananmen Square protests 20 years later

One of them was Peng Rong, a native of Hunan Province, who was pursuing a graduate degree in biology at Beijing University when he became involved in the protests. As a result of his activism, he was imprisoned for two years and expelled from the university.

"We were all idealists," he said one recent sunny afternoon in northeastern Beijing. "We were taught to be idealists by the party." But the Communist Party, the students believed in 1989, had fallen short of its goals of pursuing freedom, equality, and fraternity. 

‘There was no pressure then’
The party was struggling with how best to transform the country’s economy from socialism to something more dynamic. Back then, China was still in the early stages of economic reform, but corruption was endemic and inflation was high. Everyone – especially intellectuals – was feeling the pinch. 

"At the early stage of economic reforms, farmers joined enthusiastically and they benefited," recalled the now 40-something Peng. "But intellectuals didn’t. Their paychecks were the same." 

He recited a popular saying from that time, "A nuclear expert earns less than a tea-egg vendor."

But Peng noted there were other motives that drove him to participate in the demonstrations. Student campaigns had been popular throughout the 1980s – some of them over commonplace issues like demanding the university keep power on through the night. (In fact, universities today still cut the power at 11 p.m.). "In that environment, you get involved no matter what," he explained.

There was also the luxury of unburdened youth. "There was no pressure then," said Peng.  "So there were a lot of students enthusiastic about engaging in politics when they didn’t have too much to worry about themselves. They worried about big issues like the country’s future or the people’s future."

Adrienne Mong / NBC News
Peng Rong shows NBC News Cameraman David Lom photographs from his student days.

‘Politically, we didn’t quite achieve what we pursued’
Peng, who slowly rebuilt his life, now has a family, owns his own apartment, and runs an art gallery on the fringes of Beijing. He speaks cautiously about the events of 1989 and the politics of today in China, and although his manner is free and easy, he doesn’t offer too many personal opinions.

Looking back, he said he doesn’t regret his past, but he does have regrets about whether he and his peers had been successful. "I think politically, we didn’t quite achieve what we pursued," he said.  "In some areas, there have been improvements, but in other areas there is even tighter control than before."

He cited the Internet as an example of greater openness, although he noted this was less a reflection of government policy than the fact it is so difficult for officials to police the Web. 

(Nonetheless, this has not stopped the Chinese authorities from trying to block Internet sites they find unpalatable. Recently Twitter, Hotmail, and YouTube were blocked in China, and when we tried to search certain words or phrases in combination with "1989," the messages "Page Load Error" and "Connection Interrupted" appeared.)

Corruption, too, remains a serious problem in China, perhaps more so than 20 years ago. Peng – who dabbled in real estate and other entrepreneurial projects before he opened his gallery three years ago – expressed concern that his country’s great economic strides will be fleeting or undone without further substantive reform.

He thinks the government still has too big a role in the country’s economy, hindering its development. "Resource allocation seems to be favoring government officials. Corruption… is a burden."

Image:
SLIDESHOW: Tiananmen Square, 20 years later

‘We Shall Overcome’
Before we parted ways, Peng showed us some albums containing pictures of him from his youth.  As he flipped through them for our cameraman to film, I suddenly recognized one.

It was a shot of the cover of the New York Times Sunday magazine from 20 years ago. On it is a young Chinese man with a mustache, wearing an oversize white T-shirt that proclaims in a handwritten scrawl, "We Shall Overcome," a bullhorn raised to his mouth, the portrait of Mao Zedong facing Tiananmen Square in the background. It was Peng as a young man.

He didn’t comment on the photo, but his eyes lit up when I told him that I own a copy of that very same magazine. It’s sitting in my home inside a folder of yellowed newspaper clippings from that spring of 1989. "It was amazing to see those photographs [at that time]," I told him.

The former student activist didn’t say anything in response. He just nodded.

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The point that the tank didn't crush the man blocking its way clearly indicated that the People's Liberation Army showed great restraint. As one who was a young student and who participated in that national protest, I now think that the students at that time did the right thing, and the government took the right action. They both made right decisions. I can assure you, not many who took part in the demonstrations would like to talk about it any longer, except for a bunch of so-called freedom fighters who exiled to the west, and those biased western media, including MSNBC.
OK, I usually don't comment on these pages, but "pat" really got my attention.  I lived and worked in Tianjin for a couple years and this persons idea that the government may of got it right is outrageous!  Seems our forefathers also committed acts that would be considered anarchist in nature and even treasonist.  Is this different because they are Chinese?  A government shooting and killing unarmed civilians in peaceful protest is a proper response?  So Kent State in 1970 was OK too?

Think before you write!



I really wonder when people will see the real hero of that famous tank picture?? Really Why do people always say the man standing there is the hero?? Is it not the tank driver who did not run him over??? the tank captian that did not abuse his power and flatten him? Wow, why do people only see one side. mmm sounds familar......Te tank driver... the real hero.
We still live in interesting times...
One can only stand in awe of the physical and moral courage of the Chinese citizens who stood up to the thugs of Beijing in the 1980's.

Contrary to what some people think, leftists have often stood up against tyranny - in WWII, for example, leftists were leaders in the resistance against Nazi Germany.  Tyranny is tyranny - ideology is just window-dressing.  Jacobo Timmermann, a Jewish Argentinian persecuted by the fascist government there, said "When you're being tortured, the ideology of your torturer doesn't matter."  

I offer praise to everyone who risks their life and well-being to stand up against tyranny and demand the freedom that all of us are entitled to.  May we never forget the heroes of Tiananmen.
The students did the great thing,however the top authorities did the right thing too,at that time, no choice, it is the feasible way to cope with that situation. mutual understanding and continuous improvement is the only possible way for China.
Smaller versions of this (not as many people here) happened in the U.S. in the 20th century.  People here disband pretty quickly when the SWAT teams and National Guard come to "restore order".  They usually disband pretty quickly in China, too.  On that day, for whatever reason, some people showed some extreme courage and paid the ultimate price.  

The ironic thing is that grand displays of force only subjugate the population for a short period of time.  If a government wants to hold onto power for an extended period of time, it needs to be more intelligent about PR and make the people think that they are in charge of the government, not vice versa.  If the U.S. government had massacred a huge number of students in front of rolling video 20 years ago, they would now hold a memorial about it to appease the population, like an abusive husband bringing home flowers the day after a harsh beating.
Chinese government did the right thing!  Without the crackdown, there would have not been a prosperous and strong China that we Chinese are proud of.  The Chinese government has brought billions of people from starvation to prosperity--an accomplishment no one has ever done before. This is an example that we must follow.  Eliminate those terrorists (brainwashed, naive students) for the sake of security,prosperity and strength of all Chinese.
Crackdown is as effective as torture in the case of terrorists.
Since I'm a Chinese,I don't know what to say.But I know many youth in Chian may know very little about this event due to the information-blocked and the true-twisted by the Chinese government.And I think many foreign governments may ever do this.So was the polity,the demcocracy awalys is an weaon.
mistake no means for ever, but a lession. Then how about those betrayers from their motherland?
It is important to pursuing the freedom,but most importance is what our living conditions will be.
Out here in California, the Chinese immigrants are saying living in the U.S. is no different than living in China.  In fact many of them go to live for extended times.  Pretty scary when you think of it.  Is it that many of our newest immigrants don't realize the difference between the two countries, or they don't care, or there really isn't a difference.  I don't like any of the choices.
I think this young chinese man stand for his right eventhough the mighty of the CCP army stop him from seeking for his freedom.Anyway I think those guys write their names throughout the history of the world.May god bless those freedom fighter.
I was in Beijing in that historic time. My friend Mr. Huiqun Lee (a generalist) was killed by PLA as he was too naive to make photo in that darkest night of China. A single bullet shot at his face. 20 years ago since then, mate...
Let us no forget those people who sacrificed their own lives for Democracy of China !
I know We will continue to remember the details of this tragic event for many years to come, just as we continue to remember the massacre of George Armstrong Custer at the Little Big Horn.  But who remembers the countless massacres of Native Americans at the hand Custer and other American troops.  All nations have their history of shame... The U.S., the Japanese, European's, African's...  China has just more recently lived through theirs.  I pray that we can help them to get past it, and that it will only be a paragraph in their history books, instead of the annual spectacle that it has become.
First, I want to wish the surviors the best in every possible way.  Secondly, I want to address Paul's comment regarding the Looney Leftists.  Political belief is different from activism.  There are activism when politics swing toward any of these political state such as monarchy, communism, democracy, socialism, nationalism, feudalism, fascism.  So to sit here and accuse people particular belief for lack of patriotism is simply LUDICRIOUS.  In fact, it should be CLEAR to readers that the contrarians who went against the Bush administration were EQUALLY patriototic toward their belief for the Constitution, as people who followed the Bush administration.

Americans follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, those are things we pledge our Allegence to.  It is not the mere figure heads of States, nor parties.  So excuse me for my mispellings, and my abtuse statement.  However, I am deeply offended by Paul's statement.
I was in China studying at Fujian Teachers University in Fuzhou,Fujian Province along with 10 other Americans.  I will never forget June 3rd 1989.  From our 10th story balcony we could see the entire soccer field light up with students holding candles, we tuned in Radio Taiwan and still were able to receive the Voice of America and BBC throughout the night, we listend to every bloody detail.  The next day we marched 10 thousand strong, then met up with Fu Da U, and another 10 thousand, then to Mao Square and the government building.  Soldiers with AK 47's bayonettes fixed surounded the place, the pushing started, the communists up on the walls photographing all of us.  It was sureal... I really believed Jao Zi Yang would save the day, but Li Peng, Deng Xiao Ping and the whole lot of those ruthless mas murders prevailed.  I haven't been back to China since.  One day, maybe.  God Bless you students from 1989 where ever you are!!!
In response to Pat: Does freedom equal economic success? Economy is a mask. Inside china, people are so miserable and cruel to one another without any values today with Money as their only goal.
Although I'm a chinese, I feel what those University student did was stupid.
better freedom and economic can not be gain over night, and standing infront of a tank to get roll over to death is what I call stupid, specially when you can't gain anything if you are dead.
And if we look over here in Canada or US, I really don't see how much better we are while having more freedom. Infact, there's really no true freedom. It's only a word that makes us feels better. Each government have their own problem, what is the point to keep looking back? Why not try working better towards the future? past is a lesson, not something we can argue about anymore, so we should use these lessons to see how to make today and tomorrow better. I really dislike how people bring the history back out and started talking garbage about it. These people to me are very hopeless and have done almost nothing good to the society.
We were in China last year - the tour guide had been recently beat up by govt officials because he didnt have the right tour guide license(translation: paid a large percentage of his wages to the govt). He was so thirsty for Western info that is still blocked. The young people have never heard of Facebook. Every single tour guide told us they had learned about Tiananmen from grandparents and parents. They all talked about how they thirst for freedom and would give up some of the economic prosperity to be truly free.
"We shall overcome"  Great!  That is our great influences on the rest of the world--the young generations.  This is the way to win a war without
a penny from our taxpayers!
When the Party sets out to build a "People's Republic," advertises the result as such, and then does stuff like this, then obviously the Party is a fraud.

The communists took over in China about thirty years after the Russian Revolutio.  I wonder whether some more walls will come down about 2020, or will the Chinese take longer to realize the regime is all smoke and mirrors?

As for Bush and "systematic subversion of our freedoms," what do you call a war based on disinformation?
There was no way China can be turned into chao's. No single gun was allowed in people's hang and not any party was allowed to form. There never has any good explainsion of killing students.
Tiananmen has nothing to do with communism. Many countries as well as China have no history of western style democracy. It's economic hardship and hyper inflation during that time that caused social dissactisfaction and unrest. Why the tank commander didn't just rolled over the foolish man? A couple of hundred casualties is a small price to pay in a country of over 1.3 billion. Remember thousands of people die every year to natural and industrial accidents in China alone. Why it is a worse crime killing your people verses killing innocent people in other countries? Small price to pay for chaos and the lifes of millions of people. The prosperity following rash student revolt surely vindicates the actions that were necessary to bring about stability and reforms that we are witnessing today in a better China.
i am chinese and i am also a collage student.even my classmate and i know little about the TAM. But one thing i can confirm that we can tall about it in our dormitory not in the public.that mean something our goverment did was not properly. i hope our goverment can face the fact bravely,which mean we will have a more liberal goverment
Uneducated people are never truly free.  That's why it must be education first.  

Disagree?  Check out Venezuela.  Or Palestine.  Democracy (and Democratic institutions) without education is like giving a child a loaded handgun.

If you feel so strongly about helping the Chinese, why not come here and do so?  That's what I do.

By the way, I'm in good company, as Milton Freeman didn't believe in 'Democracy' either. http://ruzikejiao.com/index.php/2009/05/10/i-dont-believe-in-democracy/
I don't know why China fold all the information about this event. We Chinese have the right to know the truth!
Message to Paul.  Your comments started out exactly right by stating that "freedom is indeed a condition desired by all human beings" and I couldn't agree with you more.  However it then descended into some sort of diametrically opposed partisan rant against the "looney left".  That looney left stood against King George's better armed and disciplined army and the the conservative Royalists in the colonies to free us from the tyranny of colonial England.  The looney left stood on a hillside protesting an unjust, illegal war that was killing my brothers in arms by the thousands, resulting in four young people being gunned down at Kent State.  There are many other instances where the looney left paid the ultimate sacrifice for love of their country.  Patriotism is not measured by a political stance, but by what is in one's heart.  Stick with your opening heartfelt comment on "all human beings" and stop trying to divide us - we have enough enemies out there who are trying to do just that.
fear the ones that curtail freedoms werever they hail from. the death nell of our own democracy shall start off as a needed fix to a troublsome problem, a percieved threat to harmony or similar idea, but it will morph into a beast that cant be stopped, then we are forced to choose between the ways of our forefathers or a new path one that will continue to erode our constituition and the very essence of our beings, inparticular are attacks on the 1st and 2nd ammendments. beware that we lose the means to hold our elected representatives accountable, or at least keep them fearing an armed and ready populice, willing to do the right thing if need be to right a sinking ship and return this country to the right path. thanks for reading and god bless america!!
Until someone come to China and experience it, it is difficult to understand the unique situation that they have here. Over the last century, student movements, revolutions, civil wars, wars are not uncommon in the world. However, the important issue here is that we all must learn from these historic events and ensure that none of these will ever repeat itself.        
BTW, what happened to that young activist who stood in front of the tank ?
Although Mr.Rong thinks that the protests did not achieve what they intended,he may not see the greater picture.During this time my generation (gen X),were fired with a lasting desire to make the world a better place for EVERYONE!These demonstrations still provoke many discussions,and further drive our everyday actions,to achieve these ends.As a Canadian,we expect that everyone should be free,and have the right to live in peace,and determine their own destiny.
Further more,these actions have encouraged closer relationships between different cultural backgrounds,and better understanding as to where our efforts should be directed.
I personally admire,respect, and support anyone with the courage and the will, to try to effect positive change.The actions,and words of these people will continue to inspire future generations.It is not over yet!!!!!!
I must express my most heartfelt thanks to anyone who participated.
And YES,WE REMEMBER,and still support you,and everyone else who struggles for basic human rights.
Again,thank you!!!
Gennifer
Although Mr.Rong thinks that the protests did not achieve what they intended,he may not see the greater picture.During this time my generation (gen X),were fired with a lasting desire to make the world a better place for EVERYONE!These demonstrations still provoke many discussions,and further drive our everyday actions,to achieve these ends.As a Canadian,we expect that everyone should be free,and have the right to live in peace,and determine their own destiny.
Further more,these actions have encouraged closer relationships between different cultural backgrounds,and better understanding as to where our efforts should be directed.
I personally admire,respect, and support anyone with the courage and the will, to try to effect positive change.The actions,and words of these people will continue to inspire future generations.It is not over yet!!!!!!
I must express my most heartfelt thanks to anyone who participated.
And YES,WE REMEMBER,and still support you,and everyone else who struggles for basic human rights.
Again,thank you!!!
Gennifer
Tiananmen has nothing to do with communism. Many countries as well as China have no history of western style democracy. It's economic hardship and hyper inflation during that time that caused social dissactisfaction and unrest. Why the tank commander didn't just rolled over the foolish man? A couple of hundred casualties is a small price to pay in a country of over 1.3 billion. Remember thousands of people die every year to natural and industrial accidents in China alone. Why it is a worse crime killing your people verses killing innocent people in other countries? Small price to pay for chaos and the lifes of millions of people. The prosperity following rash student revolt surely vindicates the actions that were necessary to bring about stability and reforms that we are witnessing today in a better China.
Dear Paul,

Have you seen pictures of "Bloody Sunday" in Alabama on March 7, 1965?  Alabama state troopers wearing gas masks beating peaceful protestors who wanted their right to vote in the US democracy.  Please don't turn your recollection of Tiananmen into a Bush era talking point.  Oppression can be found in every system, as it is absolutely found in your "freedom" loving democracy.  BTW so-called "leftist" are committing acts of civil disobedience regularly just as children faced dogs, beatings and pressure hoses in the '60's.  The acts of courage you refuse to see exist.
Oneday in Great China Democracy will prevail.
Did this journalist just happen to forget the fact that thousands died in this event, or was this euphemistic article written by the Chinese government?!  I agree with the comment that the Chinese government was under intense pressure to prevent chaos or revolution (imagine 1 billion people rioting or devolving into chaos); but let's not gloss over the sad fact that possibly thousands of people who hoped for a better life perished at the hands of their own government during this event.  It's like the elephant in this article's room.
I have a large framed print of the Tiananmen "Tank Man" on the wall of my home office.  It is an every day reminder to me of the heroic efforts of the oppressed, as they confront overwhelming tyranny.
Its gut wrenching when you see the picture of Peng Rong, his t-shirt with the words "We Shall Overcome"..knowing the United States, its histoty, our democracy, inspired these people. Hey, freedom is not free, more often than not it is paid for in blood.
China has multi-cultures, each city, each village has its own culture and they dispise the others, my mother use to say proudly that she does not have any "cantonese friends" because she is from Beijin but lived in Hong Kong for 20 years. How can a country unite under such mindset ? Westerners just do not understand or realize other countries, such as China which has a four thousand year of mindset to change overnite.
glad to see this article in China. Many of the same topics were censored and blocked by government.
I am married to a Chinese girl whom was there in the square on the fateful day. Luckily, she survived.  We have ben together for "5 years" here living in the EU, and she, till this very writing, will not discuss nor tell me anything of the evnts of the fateful "showdown as it were", bewten the PRC army and the brave demonstraters whom started the movement.  When I ask her over and over about it till this very day, her eyes glaze over it seems to me, and she quietly says, "nothing to speak of anymore, all my friend sare "gone", and I WELL KNOW, what she meqans by "GONE". By the way one thing I can tell you that I do not think aynone else knows or they may know, is: the NAME of the young man in front of the Tank, "My wife knew him", and THAT, "she has told only myself to this day"...I would like to share it in full,  however, I feel I owe it to her not to give his full name, BUT, I will tell you his first name is:  Chan.


Long Live T-Square's Honorable Students and Supporters Memories and Brave Deeds.

WA

Hope the West continues to help Chinese people to move to democracy and freedom, instead of insulting Chinese people by disrupting the Olympic - what a shame for the West, or dividing China by supporting Dalai lama - the king of the slave owners.
Today's china is not the china 20 years ago.I think Some day in the furture china's government will look back this issue and will give his people a real fact,maybe not now,but we are waiting!
In listening to the "looney left" "facist right" debate above, I have become disillusioned with the "us vs. them" commentary. No one has a monopoly on patriotism. It is unfortunate that our two party political system (which Washington advised against) has divided us into two camps. Two parties can't possibly include all of the political beliefs in our country. But people align themselves to the party that includes their own personal views. As a result our country has been divided into two camps who demonize each other. Look at the democrats and how they use "class warfare" to their advantage (at the polls)--pitting the working poor against big business and anyone else who has become successful financially.  Look at the Republicans (particularly the talk show hosts) who demonize anything the democrats try to do as un-American and undemocratic.  I'm tired of it.  We need to be smarter than those who try to manipulate us for their own personal power. Either party, when they get into power, ends up just being a bunch of individuals who are more interested in being re-elected rather than in the greater good.  It's all about power, unfortunately.  
Amazing Stuff, Makes me think of the true value of FREEDOM.... In the USA, we lose more and more freedoms all the time; people don't seem to care about that; but I do.

I'm a purple hearted veteran (Wounded In Action - for those that don't know...); and to me it seems really odd that I can carry an automatic weapon for the govvernment; but can't carry a hand gun for personal protection in parts of the Country.

Rules are made by draft dodgers like Bill Clinton; who needed a Presidential Pardon by Carter to run for President....

azmud
I dont know the reason why some people like to create problem to the nation,Teaching at a private university here in China, I'm not surprised that the students are sheep who follow their government line without question; nor is it surprising the faculty are absolute loyalists of the Communist Party of China, which is a name only. I point out to the precious few students who are open to listening to me in private conversations that China hasn't the foggiest idea of Marx, Marxism or of the who and the what that Karl Marx was. Communism baloney. China remains what it always has been, ie, a dynastic state which is and shall continue to be a nation of sheep. The CPC is another name of yet another dynasty which is a (young and nervous) dynasty in business suits. Tianenmen only demonstrated the fact.
This is an interesting debate - but filled with divergent opinions. What comes to mind when I see that photo, is that no government, no matter how oppresive, can sustain it's principles and policies without the backing of, and the will of the people. The tank could have moved forward, and this day would be another example of a "government's" atrocities upon its people. Sometimes, change happens because one person has the courage to say, "no."

This happened in Poland with profound effect. Given where the US is headed, with the aging radical generation now demanding more government ownership and enforcement of societal norms, I fear our nation's future is dependent on a hero of a generation as yet unborn, to stand up and say, "ENOUGH!"  
To Paul: You wrote, "In our country the loony left should take note of what true oppression is and cease trying to create a case that under the Bush administration there had been systematic coercion and subversion of our freedoms. For those people I say study this picture of this brave young man and ask yourself the following question: Would our looney leftists have had the courage to face up to a real, vicious, deadly government that was to slaughter thousands in Tianamen Square ? Somehow I think not?"

You suggest that looney leftists should "cease" questioning the Bush administration's actions. Did these young people in Tiananmen Square in 1989 cease questioning? "Somehow, I think not" - If the People cease questioning and pursuing "freedom, equality, and fraternity," your right to have this website and to state your opinion would cease.
 
In the spring of 1989, I was a 13-year old American student on a 3-week global studies trip to China. Just a month before the massacre, I stood in Tian An Men square - we saw the troops, talked to the students. It was shocking to see how reticent citizens were to talk about their government or problems in their country. Sadly, it seems very little has changed. The 'communist' argument is a red herring - as others have mentioned, China is only nominally communist. It is a capitalist country with a command and control regime that US citizens cannot fathom. Read the comments from the university professor. Those that view our country as following a path toward socialism needs to talk less and travel more!!


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