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Tiananmen protester: ‘We were all idealists’

Posted: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:09 PM
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BEIJING – Twenty years ago, a handful of university students from some of China’s most elite institutions shot to stardom when they led a series of mass demonstrations in Beijing calling for greater freedoms and economic reforms that challenged the supremacy of the Chinese Communist Party.

For some of us who remember clearly the events of those days, the names roll off the tongue – student leaders like Wang Dan, Wu’er Kaixi, Chai Ling, and labor organizer Han Dongfang – even today, 20 years after the crackdown on the Tiananmen Square protests. 

Many of the bright lights of 1989 wound up in exile and in the intervening years have prospered in the West, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. But dozens of other organizers who came under the glare of the spotlight but didn’t flee the country were rounded up and imprisoned.

VIDEO: Peng Rong, a young protester in 1989, recalls the Tiananmen Square protests 20 years later

One of them was Peng Rong, a native of Hunan Province, who was pursuing a graduate degree in biology at Beijing University when he became involved in the protests. As a result of his activism, he was imprisoned for two years and expelled from the university.

"We were all idealists," he said one recent sunny afternoon in northeastern Beijing. "We were taught to be idealists by the party." But the Communist Party, the students believed in 1989, had fallen short of its goals of pursuing freedom, equality, and fraternity. 

‘There was no pressure then’
The party was struggling with how best to transform the country’s economy from socialism to something more dynamic. Back then, China was still in the early stages of economic reform, but corruption was endemic and inflation was high. Everyone – especially intellectuals – was feeling the pinch. 

"At the early stage of economic reforms, farmers joined enthusiastically and they benefited," recalled the now 40-something Peng. "But intellectuals didn’t. Their paychecks were the same." 

He recited a popular saying from that time, "A nuclear expert earns less than a tea-egg vendor."

But Peng noted there were other motives that drove him to participate in the demonstrations. Student campaigns had been popular throughout the 1980s – some of them over commonplace issues like demanding the university keep power on through the night. (In fact, universities today still cut the power at 11 p.m.). "In that environment, you get involved no matter what," he explained.

There was also the luxury of unburdened youth. "There was no pressure then," said Peng.  "So there were a lot of students enthusiastic about engaging in politics when they didn’t have too much to worry about themselves. They worried about big issues like the country’s future or the people’s future."

Adrienne Mong / NBC News
Peng Rong shows NBC News Cameraman David Lom photographs from his student days.

‘Politically, we didn’t quite achieve what we pursued’
Peng, who slowly rebuilt his life, now has a family, owns his own apartment, and runs an art gallery on the fringes of Beijing. He speaks cautiously about the events of 1989 and the politics of today in China, and although his manner is free and easy, he doesn’t offer too many personal opinions.

Looking back, he said he doesn’t regret his past, but he does have regrets about whether he and his peers had been successful. "I think politically, we didn’t quite achieve what we pursued," he said.  "In some areas, there have been improvements, but in other areas there is even tighter control than before."

He cited the Internet as an example of greater openness, although he noted this was less a reflection of government policy than the fact it is so difficult for officials to police the Web. 

(Nonetheless, this has not stopped the Chinese authorities from trying to block Internet sites they find unpalatable. Recently Twitter, Hotmail, and YouTube were blocked in China, and when we tried to search certain words or phrases in combination with "1989," the messages "Page Load Error" and "Connection Interrupted" appeared.)

Corruption, too, remains a serious problem in China, perhaps more so than 20 years ago. Peng – who dabbled in real estate and other entrepreneurial projects before he opened his gallery three years ago – expressed concern that his country’s great economic strides will be fleeting or undone without further substantive reform.

He thinks the government still has too big a role in the country’s economy, hindering its development. "Resource allocation seems to be favoring government officials. Corruption… is a burden."

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SLIDESHOW: Tiananmen Square, 20 years later

‘We Shall Overcome’
Before we parted ways, Peng showed us some albums containing pictures of him from his youth.  As he flipped through them for our cameraman to film, I suddenly recognized one.

It was a shot of the cover of the New York Times Sunday magazine from 20 years ago. On it is a young Chinese man with a mustache, wearing an oversize white T-shirt that proclaims in a handwritten scrawl, "We Shall Overcome," a bullhorn raised to his mouth, the portrait of Mao Zedong facing Tiananmen Square in the background. It was Peng as a young man.

He didn’t comment on the photo, but his eyes lit up when I told him that I own a copy of that very same magazine. It’s sitting in my home inside a folder of yellowed newspaper clippings from that spring of 1989. "It was amazing to see those photographs [at that time]," I told him.

The former student activist didn’t say anything in response. He just nodded.

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Archival video: NBC News coverage of the June 4, 1989 crackdown

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Wow...hard to believe people everywhere at any given time...suffer in so many similar ways~
Whenever I see this picture of the young Chinese student standing in front of that tank it reminds me that freedom is indeed a condition desired by all human beings. For some this thirst for freedom drives them to do what that young man did back in 1989. He dared to face the Peoples Republic Of China's enormous military might. The ruthlessness of the PRofC towrds its own people that transpired shortly after this photo was taken was in tune with how all communist countries behave when faced with a real challenge. In our country the loony left should take note of what true oppression is and cease trying to create a case that under the Bush administration there had been systematic coercion and subversion of our freedoms. For those people I say study this picture of this brave young man and ask yourself the following question: Would our looney leftists have had the courage to face up to a real, vicious, deadly government that was to slaughter thousands in Tianamen Square ? Somehow I think not?
Communism is a terrible injustice even when you have a booming economy. Humans were born to be free. I pray that China and Cuba may taste true freedom with no fear of oppresion during my lifetime. God bless the Thomas Jeffersons of the modern world.
Too bad people died, but the Chinese Communist Party might have got it right: had the students succeeded, China might have descended into chaos, or worse, civil war, and there would not have been the Chinese economic miracle that we have witnessed today.
The man standing in front of the tank and the driver
of that first tank has given China its greatest moment
in modern history.
"The former student activist didn’t say anything in response. He just nodded."

Must be the combination of unspeakable pain within and fear of retribution from the government.

That's typical for a Chinese generation who lived through that unforgettable time.
I will never forget the tears and shock on the faces of Chinese exchange students in the USA when they read faxes and watched video of what happened in Tienanmen Square. They cried because the country they so clearly loved and were devoted to changed, in that moment, from a benevolent father to an abusive parent. While many had every intention of returning home to help China modernize, many chose to never return.

It will take decades for China to come to terms with what happened. Turkey still denies the Armenian massacre, revisionist Japanese still consider themselves the victims of WWII, Russia bloody history is still denied and Americans took a century to deal with the moral failures with respect to Native Americans and Slavery. Time.
The resilience of the human spirit is incredible.  It is inspiring to see, time and again, people risk everything to stand up and declare "our voices will be heard".  What is more powerful is that Tiananmen Square made that message heard loud and clear without the sounds.  We were lucky to find three persons still on Twitter from China who were willing to go on the record on our blog (www.pmaward.org/blog).  Even though they answered our questions at great risk, they believed it more important to help get the truth out there than ensure their personal safety.  Their courage today, along with the courage of so many others, helps ensure that those deaths 20 years ago were not in vain.
Students were used for so-called "pro-democracy leaders" personal political ambitious gambling. Just listen to what one of those "leaders", whose name was Chai Ling (not sure if she had her name changed into an American one or English one), she told people before so-called "crackdown" she "is looking forward to" a bloodshed massacre against students and Beijing residents, and she would rather save her own life, according to the documentary "Tiananmen". What a bold, shameless, selfish statement! I bet most of those "leaders" had the same opinion, as most of them ran much faster than other students, and even further, beyond the territory of China. No wonder they didn't know what really happened at that night. Did they really hope all the students follow their lead? Of course not. Even imagining that would have U.S. INS running into a big problem. That was what those "leaders" exactly did: at that critical moment, they only took care of themselves. For domocracy? For Chinese people? No, not even close!
I HAVE BEEN TOLD STORIES ALL MY LIFE IN TIL MY DAD DIED ABOUT HIS BROTHER AND -D- DAY. HOW HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AT THE LANDING. HE TOLD OF ALL THE DEATHS AROUND, AND PRAYED TO MAKE IT BACK HOME. THANK GOD HE DID. I WAS SO PROUD OF THOSE STORIES BY MY UNCLE  CHARLES SOWERS.
Leftists?  I have one thing to say to Paul...Dick Cheney.  Enough said to the ignorant baffoons of the GOP in this country who spew lies.  Nothing is more unAmerican or in the pursuit of Freedom than torturing someone.  And that means ANYONE!  Leftists?
"You" people continue to dig your own graves.
I have one important piece of perspective you need to keep in mind while condemning China of this . . . that protest went on for 6 weeks before the crackdown those 2 June days . . . 6 WEEKS.

Think about that one please, and then ask yourself how that contrasts to our govenment handling of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Kent State.

And does anyone want to comment on just WHY such a "brutal" and "repressive" government didn't order those tanks to just flatten those protesters? Why did that tank keep moving around that guy. Why wasn't he just shot? That's what they do everyday in China to protesters, right?

Perspective . . . it really would be nice to see.

And it might just be why the Chinese government feels justified in blocking Western reports on the Anniversary. I don't advocate censorship, it would be better for the Chinese to present their side, but then again, they are new to the "world news" game (but that too is changing fast).
Sacrifice. Freedom. Profound gratitude. Responsibility. Ownership. Generosity. Grace. Growth. Freedom.

One Vote. Duly, and questionably, elected officials who do not uphold the oath they take to the constitution of the United Stated of America. Unbridled legislation for socialism.  Limited free speech. Limited assembly. Limited press. Limited freedom of religion. Friend of the ACLU. Citizen slaves.
Even in China,freedom is never free.
Only fools believe that freedom can never be lost through legislation or other means. The ruthless acts of other governments can never be justification for acts by our own government that erode our constitutional freedoms. The Chinese students were brave. I hope all of us who enjoy living without communism don't ever forget them.
American are under control of their government. The banking crisis is proof of that. Those "crazy" conspriacy theorists aren't too far off about the control everyone is under. Grown men claim to have FRAT parties two times a year out at Bohemian GRove, and these crazy people suspect they are burning real people, sacrificing them to satan. Now that's crazy!!! What happened to power to the people? American people are not listened to anymore. Their voices are confined to internet blogs & comment sections while the media broadcast the rich & powerful message. My father died defending the freedom of this country, only to get spat upon by a government that is taking more & more control everyday. Their day of reckoning is coming. And it won't be too soon!
Not to mention Mao's great leap forward.
This was a tragedy that didn't have to happen.  The US (Sec. of State James Baker and President George HW Bush) sold these kids out because of US business interests in China.  It was a dreadful tragedy and the US backed the Chinese government the whole way, starting with a secret meeting with James Baker that Mr. Baker lied about to the US public on national television.  (This Week on Sunday morning)

Shame on the administration at that time.  The slaughter of those kids by the then (and now) evil regeme is on your hands.  
Whenever I see this picture of the young Chinese student standing in front of that tank it reminds me that freedom is indeed a condition desired by all human beings. For some this thirst for freedom drives them to do what that young man did back in 1989. He dared to face the Peoples Republic Of China's enormous military might. The ruthlessness of the PRofC towrds its own people that transpired shortly after this photo was taken was in tune with how all communist countries behave when faced with a real challenge. In our country the loony left should take note of what true oppression is and cease trying to create a case that under the Bush administration there had been systematic coercion and subversion of our freedoms. For those people I say study this picture of this brave young man and ask yourself the following question: Would our looney leftists have had the courage to face up to a real, vicious, deadly government that was to slaughter thousands in Tianamen Square ? Somehow I think not? - Paul
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Paul, I doubt this momment was displayed for you to roll it into loonie-left stories.  The measure of trajedy experienced that day and beyond doesn't make all other things o.k., simply because they are less tragic.  If your government was to imprison 3 of your relatives doesn't make it something to appreciate simply because another government imprisons 25 relatives of it's citizens.  
That momment is beyond politics, it is human.
Hell, you're so 'ultra' head on off to North K and stand down their tanks.  See you on the news in a couple days.
u barely see chinese ppl doing any protesting now days altho there r so many issues that ppl are complaining about.why so?ppl r afraid of getting killed or being thrown into the prison,it could be the whole family got into trouble like that.
Paul get over it, Bush was a terrible president who limited SEVERAL of our constitutional freedoms and it was our judicial checks/balances that eventually returned MOST of them to us. McCain was a great candidate but had no chance of winning thanks to the mistakes of Bush....and last time I checked liberals serve in our military too, and are just as ardent patriots and protectors of freedom as you bible thumping crazy conservatives. That's the "theory" of evolution right? Haha. The fact is Paul, freedom IS a universal thirst regardless of political affiliation...you lost get over it...the next election will be around shortly.  
Adrienne Mong:  Do your reporting!  What ever happened to the man that stood in front of the column of tanks?
First, I want to wish the surviors the best in every possible way.  Secondly, I want to address Paul's comment regarding the Looney Leftists.  Political belief is different from activism.  There are activism when politics swing toward any of these political state such as monarchy, communism, democracy, socialism, nationalism, feudalism, fascism.  So to sit here and accuse people particular belief for lack of patriotism is simply LUDICRIOUS.  In fact, it should be CLEAR to readers that the contrarians who went against the Bush administration were EQUALLY patriototic toward their belief for the Constitution, as people who followed the Bush administration.

Americans follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, those are things we pledge our Allegence to.  It is not the mere figure heads of States, nor parties.  So excuse me for my mispellings, and my abtuse statement.  However, I am deeply offended by Paul's statement.
Funny I have a different impression than most westerners on the photo posted above, I saw a synmpathetic tank driver trying very hard to avoid running over someone challenging him.  Rare kind of army.  Try asking the palestinian to stand infront of Israelis tank and see what will happen.
Funny I have a different impression than most westerners on the photo posted above, I saw a synmpathetic tank driver trying very hard to avoid running over someone challenging him.  Rare kind of army.  Try asking the palestinian to stand infront of Israelis tank and see what will happen.
I was a freshman in college when the Tiananmen happened and clearly remember that events.  I don't condemn what the government did, however I remember students of my class stating that China should open up politically like Russia (remember Russia just went thru glasnost and perestroka).  I differed in my opinion and 20 years later history has proven its point - Russia is a mere shadow of itself both economically and militarily, compare with China an economically vibrant economy and a central cog in the world economy.  I think ultimately China will continue to improve on its human rights and freedoms, however we must remember that it took us a hundred years to abolish slavery and another hundred years to achieve equal human rights.  All told almost 200 hundred years since the American Revolution - how can we expect China with a population of over 1 billion to change its political structure in less than 60 years since the establishment of the PRC.  In time things will change, but we must be patient, trying to enforce our timetable on China would just lead to mistrust and conflict.  Look how far China has advanced in 20 years after the events of Tiananmen, China will continue to advance in the coming years both politically and economically.
Hey Paul, I think the "looney leftists" would have stood up to oppression. We did when we voted in Obama and ended the conservative strangle hold on the Constitution. Don't tell me Paul, you think torture is valid. I am sure the radical Islamics would love to hear that.
It is ironical very few if any in the west truly understands the real cause behind the Tiananmen massacre. Contrary to what journalists led them to believe, it was not the struggle between the CCP and the common people. Instead, it was an internal power struggle between Deng Xiaoping and then party secretary general Zhao Ziyang. Zhao was unhappy about the paramount leader status of Deng and encouraged the student movement to over throw Deng. By supporting the students at various stages of the movement, he gave them the wrong impression that Deng is the evil hand behind everything, and they should target Deng. Thus, enboldened by Zhao, students held on to the square and kept society on halt indefinitely before Deng finally lost his patience. By ordering the troops to clear the demonstrators by force, he was to say he was in absolute charge and nothing should divide the party. It was a great error and tragedy to use lethal arms against the people, none denies that. But if people could understand the background a little better, it helps to get a more realistic picture of history, instead of absolute black and white narrative, which some people always accuse other people to do without realizing they themselves think exactly the same way.
Note to President Obama:

Don't let what happened in China happen in the U.S.  Keep freedom of speech ALIVE!  Our founding fathers championed the idea, brave Americans have died for it.  Let people continue to speak their mind and dissent.
all power corrupt, communist or democracy it dosen't matter, may god help us all...
China will be free some day...All tyrannies come down...even the one that Obama and company are trying to errect here....
Communist countries like Vietnam, North Korea, and China routinely oppress freedom of religion, speech, and human rights that we Americans take for granted.  I have Vietnamese friends who have relatives imprisoned by the communist government for speaking just the word democracy, or openly praying.
God bless America.  
whatever happened to the little chineese man holding back the column of tanks?
I just don't understand why people like to bring fire again to this issues. The Chinese government also don't like to have this incident. Their decision also based on their goal at that time for unity of china. It's  similar saying like "my religion are better than yours".
These kind of issues can always bring small spark of fire that resulted bigger fire. Let it be, The chinese government already learn their lesson too.
The link to this article, "Tell us your D-Day Stories" is a total misnomer. D-Day has always referred to June 6, 1944 when the allies invaded France durinng WW II. WHile Tienemann was a critical juncture in Chinese "human rights", D-Day was pivitol to our way of life that allowed Tienemann to occur.
One of these days, enough Chinese citizens are going to stand up to their government and demand the right to determine events for themselves.  It is unlikely to happen when the majority of citizens are fixated on more mundane concerns, such as how to feed their children at night.

Today, the Chinese revel in the newfound power that economic growth has brought them. Eventually, however, they will be comfortable with that power, and they will start to ask why their error-prone government should have an unquestioned right to rule them.

Democratic governments are error-prone, too, but the people at least feel like they have some input into the process.  Chinese citizens will want that, and when they do, their government will be powerless to stop them.  

Governments are always a minority when compared to the population as a whole.  That isn't a problem when the population is poor and distracted.  It is a problem when the population is prosperous and accustomed to making economic decisions for themselves.
Yes, We shall overcome. We will never forget those who got killed by the Conmmunist for demanding very basic human right. God bless China. Let hope and do what ever we can to get rid of communiest - they are evil!
Why don't you print the complete letter, rather than the redacted version, featured on the cover of a news magazine where the Red Chinese protestor praised the USA for our "right to keep and bear arms?" He knew freedom comes at a price.
The magazine edited that line out....
Who will stand in front of Obama's tank as it rumbles relentlessy towards Communism?
Teaching at a private university here in China, I'm not surprised that the students are sheep who follow their government line without question; nor is it surprising the faculty are absolute loyalists of the Communist Party of China, which is a name only. I point out to the precious few students who are open to listening to me in private conversations that China hasn't the foggiest idea of Marx, Marxism or of the who and the what that Karl Marx was. Communism baloney. China remains what it always has been, ie, a dynastic state which is and shall continue to be a nation of sheep. The CPC is another name of yet another dynasty which is a (young and nervous) dynasty in business suits. Tianenmen only demonstrated the fact.
Paul: Godd**n right we would have the courage. Hop in a tank and find out.  

- Looney Leftist
The article did not mention the 100's of students that were mowed down by the Chineeze Gov't. China's present prosperity came on the backs of it's workers who had substandard pay, and no freedom of reproduction, religion, or thought. Now that the US is entering a communist state we will suffer the same loss of freedom because communism cannot tolerate those who refuse to think like the state.
I am glad that June 4 movement occurred. The Commies learned quite a bit from this event. Without this event, you may see more political reform by now. The system right they adapt in china is working quite well. Why change?
with PAT's logic below regarding being glad oppressive government's stay in control, the USA wouldn't be as it is today, peasants would remain minions, and slave rebellions that overthrew slave owners, ALL would never have happened. Yes people need to strive for liberty - even if fence sitters who think its best not to defy corrupt regimes will not themselves participate, but benefit by such uprising's successes.
the chinese man in this picture is part of that country's 'loony left' as it stood up for its rights. i mean i could use quips like the 'ridiculously religious right' too, i guess.  i mean you're pretty much calling half our nation loony, when your 'people' invaded another country for no reason.  that seems more loony than wanting health care. :)
Communism does suck yet socialism is what the U.S. Democrats seem to embrace......

Maybe in 10 years we will have our own Times Square to remember....
I think Paul is forgetting his history.  Let's remember that it was President Bush who - in 1989 - coddled the communist Chinese government a mere three days after this massacre by sending Jim Baker on a covert mission to Beijing to assure the comunist leadership that nothing would be done to permanently harm Sino-US relations.  It was also President Nixon, another Republican, who led the United States onto the dark path of alliance with Red China.  The US should never have recognized the PRC and allowed it to have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.  The US should always have supported Taiwan (ROC) as the legitimate government of China.  Our diplomatic recognition of the PRC has done nothing but sent American manufacturing jobs there, downgraded the qulaity of our consumer goods, addicted our government to cheap Chinese credit, and led to deplorable environmental contamination on the Asian mainland.  The US should treat the PRC in the same way that it treats Cuba - cut off relations and starve them into submission.  
I was in China when it happen. The Chinese government and the foreign media over stated the truth to their favor. The trooper moved in to disperse the protesters. The protesters actually start attacking the troops. The troops, without any anti-riot training started firing their limited live ammo. After that it was chaos, many protesters died, then the protesters killed many troops after they ran out of ammo, then reinforcement troops killed more protectors... It was madness. How many really died? No one really knows. In the end, the incident did make the Chinese government more aware of the people, and started (slowly) cooperating with the people. The Chinese government has a much more welcome side now then it did before. The central government is much more open in stead of trying to covering things up, like the recent infant milk incident.
Paul,
Yes the leftest in the 70's would be brave enough to face a government that was oppressive...And actually it was ours...Much like the Replublican Bush administration of recent defeat people were protesting how the government was treating its' citizens...In the 60's and 70's our oppressive government slaughtered thousands (over 55,000) of its's citizens in a war that proved nothing...We sacrificed all those people to fight the far left communist...yes there were far right radicals like you back then in favor of continuing the war to fight communism...
You Replublicans need to stop the BS by distorting what really happens...
On campuses in the USA during the 70's the protesters were considered radicals (far left - also deemed too liberal)...I am not sure what history books you read or news channels you watch (Thank God we didn't have FOX NEWS back then to distort the news so Republicans would feel in the majority)...Imagine what they could have done with the news worthy silent majority as their mentors...
Why must you and your fellow Republicans always resort to calling people who want to change our government for the good as "Far left communist"...That may have worked in the McCarthy era...it was proven wrong then and still is wrong...
When I hear the Tiananmen protester say, "We are all idealists" makes me cringe.  George Bush was an idealist and want to get rid of the world of Islamofascists and guess what happened.  China flourished because the current leaders in China are pragmatists and realists.  
Just a lessons that the Chinese public has to learn.. That freedom must be within the confines of the rule of law and the respect of the existence of the state.. That law and order takes precedent over chaos and anarchies.


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