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Hello sailor! Rival navies check one another out

Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:19 AM
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QINGDAO, China – As China prepares to mark the 60th anniversary of the founding of its People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy on Thursday, its normally secretive military has taken the unprecedented step of showcasing some of its best vessels and naval weaponry.

On Wednesday, sailors from China and 14 other countries with naval ships participating in the international fleet review off the coast of Qingdao – including the United States – took turns visiting one another’s vessels.

Image: The USS Fitzgerald
VIDEO: Secretive Chinese navy steps out for 60th
Amid the clicks of digital cameras, one could almost imagine there were no such things as territorial disputes.

‘Nice lines’
Chinese sailors – and there were many from the quarter-million strong naval force – could be found everywhere, eagerly taking photos in front of the visiting ships.

We stopped to chat with a group of Chinese navy officers photographing one another next to the Russian navy’s 11,370-ton Vayag missile cruiser. 

"Which foreign ship have you liked the most?" 

"The Korean one has nice lines!" enthused one Chinese officer.  "It’s very advanced," added another.

In fact, South Korea’s 18,000-ton Dokdo – a landing helicopter platform assault ship – outsized all the other vessels at the fleet review.

 

Image: Foreign naval officers visit a Chinese submarine

Adrienne Mong/NBC News
Foreign naval officers visit a Chinese submarine in Qingdao. 

And it attracted huge crowds of civilian Chinese.  "Slowly, slowly!" A Korean sailor shouted into his megaphone, trying to calm the packs of Chinese families scrambling onto the gangplank to explore the ship.

"It’s very big," said a shy young Chinese woman who had just disembarked from the Dokdo.  When I asked her whether she’d been on any Chinese ships, she nodded and then laughed, "But they’re not as big as this!"

We chanced upon the Commander of the U.S. 7th Fleet, Vice Adm. John Bird, who had just emerged from a Chinese submarine. "It’s the second time I’ve been on one of these," he drawled. "The first time was just a couple of days ago."

"Impressions?" I asked.

"It’s very clean," he replied.

The submarine Bird visited was a regular diesel-powered vessel, but on Thursday China will publicly display for the first time ever its nuclear submarines – among the most powerful in its fleet.

In front of Pakistan’s missile destroyer PNS Badr, a Pakistani sailor posed for the camera with a Chinese toddler in each arm.

Nearby at the USS Fitzgerald, a U.S. Navy missile destroyer from the 7th Fleet, events were organized in a very American way.  A raucous performance of "Carry on Wayward Son," performed by the 7th Fleet’s Orient Express band – who flew in specially Japan – greeted Chinese sailors waiting patiently to board the destroyer.

Image: Chinese sailor poses in front of the Pakistan missile destroyer
Adrienne Mong/NBC News
A Chinese sailor poses in front of the Pakistan missile destroyer PNS Badr. 

Politics and fun
But it wasn’t long before politics did come into play – even if in jest.

An American sailor bounded over, impishly, "Have you been to the Russian ship?  We heard they needed to get towed in." 

Another time, I approached a couple of Pakistani sailors, "Have you been to the Indian ship?"

"Pakistan," they answered, pointing at themselves.

"Yes, I know.  You’re from Pakistan," I replied.  "But have you visited the Indian ship?"

"No, Pakistan," they chorused again.

UPDATE: Adrienne Mong Twittered from China's international naval review in honor of the 60th anniversary of the People's Libertation Army Navy on Thursday. Click here to read her Twitter updates.

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i guess muscle flexing does not solve worlds problems. Plenty of it is going on already in open skies and seas. Hope that at the end of the day it will lead to more of detente rather than more egos and eventually more military spending in the face of poverty and hunger in particularly the poor nations such as Pakistan and India and also of course including China
keep your enemies closer...
It just comes to prove that america must stay on top of the best and most updated military in the world today
Wow -

Some things should just be off-limits.

No wonder the Chinese Sub was clean - all the classified stuff was removed for the event!

Lame!!
What is all this military might when a Nation can't even protect its basic human rights.
What good is a government when it suppresses those who speak up against its policies.


China in Tibet: Forty Years(now 50+ yrs) of Liberation or Occupation?
http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/34/1/

How China is Plundering the Natural Resources of Tibet
http://woodsmoke.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/how-china-is-plundering-the-natural-resources-of-tibet/

Tibet: Her Pain, My Shame
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/

First Time I Feel Ashamed to be Han, and Lucky to Not Be a Party Member
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/first-time-i-feel-ashamed-to-be-han-and-lucky-to-not-be-a-party-member/
It is true, politicians make war, salors and solders the world over just do a job and do what they are told to do.
As an ex corpsman it is amazing how these countries have come together in peace to show off their ships.
wait- I have to check the date- it's not April 1st- what's going on?
Wow. Little boys playing with billions of dollars worth of toys. Wouldn't it be great if we gave that same money to girls, who would most likely use it to build adult toys, like schools, roads, alternative fuels, etc...
At least these Navies are not shooting at one another.  On the final day of this "high seas jamboree" some country should bring in a huge aircraft carrier, and all the sailors can put on a big musical while singing dirty songs and tap dancing, followed by a banquet and drunken orgies.  Oh I'm just kidding, but it's a hell of a lot better than war isn't it?  
This interaction is very important on many levels.  Sometimes it's goodwill other times it saves lives.  I applaud this.  I'm not afraid of giving away secrets. I'll not forget the foriegners I met this way.  It's a wonderful thing.
The Human connection these people have had will have an impact on how they do business. A faceless, nameless enemy is a lot easier to engage than one you have met on neutral ground. Besides, these people are not the policy makers and decision makers of their governments. They merely do their duty, the same that we ask of our military men and women. It is always interesting to see how your shipmates, domestic and foreign, allied and not, live, work, eat and survive in their respective communities.
I can help but laugh.  If we can get together to show off our weapons why can't we get rid of the weapons?  Who are we to use them against?  How is it that as individuals we are all (almost all) idealistic enough to uderstand that we no reason to fight each other but when enough of us get together we find a reason to war or at least build agents of war.  This naval circus would be far more logical if we were showing off vessels intended to fight off alien invaders instead of each other.  Currently this is the equivalent of "If you mess with us this is what we'll be attacking you with."  Isn't this the type of bullying that we were taught to be bigger than as children?  Have we forgotten what we were taught or is it just that as we age we become so arrogant as to think this idea no longer applies to us?
might just save some lives someday
Kudos on the title... Snarf...
china is using our own money to build a superior navy. at least the japanese used some of our money to build auto plants here. the terrorist who crashed our banking system have made it even easier for the chinese.
Only 2 reasons for this. Either they have better technology already and want to rub our noses in it, or they are looking to steal something. I vote for the latter.
Why can't we be like this all of the time? This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. All of these 'races' getting together. Wait a minute we are all one race, HUMAN. Let's all get it together and save our planet as one people. Listen to John Lennom's song, "Imagine" and go from there. He was so needed by us all.  I was a Submarine Sonarman on a Fast Attack Sub for eight years, I been in the middle of all of this muck. I know exactly how ugly it gets.
"i guess muscle flexing does not solve worlds problems. Plenty of it is going on already in open skies and seas. Hope that at the end of the day it will lead to more of detente rather than more egos and eventually more military spending in the face of poverty and hunger in particularly the poor nations such as Pakistan and India and also of course including China"
jon g (Sent Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:51 AM)

Wow, Jon-boy, very profound, very touching.  Hopefully elephants will learn to fly someday as well.  
No matter what negative post anyone may put up here I think that this is GREAT to see. The greatest navies of the world taking time to make nice with each other is a positive in my book. It sure beats the opposite of these ships and sailors meeting up with each other!
I think this is a good way for the US to see how many of it's military secrects have been stolen and by who. Now we just need to go through each ship and rip out what is ours. LOL!
I think this is great have countries come together.  We need more bonding like this, that is how friendships are made.  I think the U.S. should have sent some bigger ships though!
Events like this can only do good to humanize everyone. Were we to go to war, these sailors will know they are fighting against others just like themselves and perhaps be in a position to have to kill someone, with whome, they once laughed and took a picture. The more we get to connect with each other the better off we will be. Too bad Iranians didnt take part.  
When you board these vessels, you do not see anything that is classified.  All of the screens will be shut off, so all it will look like is a blank screen.  They probably walked through a couple of passages and living spaces.  In other words they got to see misc. piping, electrical, ventilation, and bunks.  This is more of a pr thing than anything.
When an event like this occurs we need to embrace the idea and respect the effort made to accomplish it. The reason we have all this hate and useless conflict is because alot of you who comment here do so by saying something negative or ill productive. Instead you should be commenting on the fact we need to encourage this sort of cooperative involvement between nations, thats the only way were going to truly find peace.
You really think any of these countries were showing their latest and best technology?  
not all the countries are there for show off... Mexico send the Buque Escuela Cuauhtemoc, from the mexican Navy school of officers... i believe the reason for this gattering is to commemorate the 500 years of the chinese commerce route, or something like that... too bad the news focus only on the bad side of the story... and also for the "tibetan Man', please, this is not the place for political activism...
This display proves only how primitive and unevolved our species and civilization are. It is governments themselves, and their philosophical premise of the virtue and necessity of organized coercion and murder to solve conflicts, that is keeping humanity in the dark ages.
Sure, isn't it nice when the thugs who rule the playground share a beer and a joke. Isn't that just special.
Frankly, I expect more from a species that considers itself either god's creation or the pinnacle of evolution.
The "Tibetan man" is spot on. What he didn't mention is that the US govt is hardly better than the CCP. Taking food out of the mouths of honest working people (via taxes) to buy slick toys that tear the flesh from brown skinned children in far away lands.
Yeah, let's celebrate THAT.
While we're at it, let's celebrate the fact that the "Torturers in Chief" who turned our Constitution into toilet paper (Bush/Cheney) get to live out their days in wealth and luxury, courtesy of us "free range cattle" ...uh...I mean...taxpayers.
Ex Navy is correct in saying these are not the policy makers. They are just simple sailors learning about their fellow sailors. I am also ex navy and was fortunate enough to participate in several events like this and they are some of the most memorable events of my navy career and life in general. The more we can meet on a personal level like this the better.
Elijah,

Cause theres always someone out there that wants to ruin the show for everyone else.  Human nature isnt pleasant, isnt nice, and is very ugly when given a chance to be.

Take for instance times of natural disasters.  Decent normal, law abiding people thrown into a chaotic situation.  What do they do?  Loot and steal the second that theres no one to enforce law and order.

Military power is needed to be in place to keep order.  The same as cops are in place to keep order.

And to John Strong, read a history book.  Women put in places of power throughout history havent exactly been any less destructive than men.  In some cases they've been far far worse.
George, China used the money they earned with sweat. China can also build auto plants in the US if they will be allowed. I am afraid some politicians will call those ventures as "security risks". Our own bankers crashed our banking system. It's your call if you want to call them "greedy" terrorists.
As someone already said...it's the stupid governments that make the wars...sailors are just sailors. History is full of events where military people got together despite being "enemies"....across trenches, as well as across the ship's lifelines. We occasionally came across Russians, during Viet Nam, and as sailors, both them and us were more concerned with taking pictures than shooting at each other.
This isn't about flexing muscle, or anything like that.  This is a very much a goodwill mission.  Get off the sailor's backs.  It doesn't matter what country they are from, Sailors have tremendous pride in their ships and shipmates.  Likewise, there is a common thread amongst sailors from all countries and it is not inconceivable for an American Sailor to have respect for a Chinese Sailor and vice versa.  Keep in mind, these guys don't make policy, they don't make the rules the world plays by.  They are just there doing there job no matter what color of flag flies from their ship's mast.

Navy Veteran
i remember hearing about port visits to countries like Russia, Turkey, and Britain... sailors used to trade uniform items like hats and coats with their counterparts. i always thought that was really cool, and fosters a spirit of comaraderie. it lets people know that it isnt the dark and sinister "Them vs. Us"... they are really no different, just people.
Amazing... as a foreign war vet with a son in the Navy currently, I hope this will be the start of all of us recognizing that ultimately, the human race is the only race worth our allegiance.  Until then, as Sting said "I hope the Russians (or Chinese, or Arabs, or Pakistanis, take your pick) love their children too..."
Come on - this is sailors' space / those with axes to grind go somewhere else.
It's a shame that territoriality and warfare are natural instincts in our - and other primates - species.  Have you seen the brutal way chimps engage one another in conflicts of territory and resources?  Homo Sapiens have evolved, but unfortunately this instinct for war is still with us, as irrational as it definitely is.
China is just placating the US.  Then they will obtain and use any info possible, in defense of what we openly show them
The Royal Navy used to visit the Imperial German Navy (then an up an comming superpower like China) before first world war and vice versa. It didn't stop that needless war from happening or make it any less brutal. This is a dog and pony show... not diplomacy.
All aboard, bring you cameras and intelligence manuals
Do you all really think the United States Navy has just given out all its secrets about our ships to other countries?? Get real...this (for the navy) is like going down to the local marina and looking at a few boats.
As a nation, we have the best equipped, most technologically advanced military forces in the world.
I am distressed that those American citizens who serve our country today are not PAID in kind. We as a nation apparently spend BILLIONS for weapon systems,but pay our active duty military people very poorly.If you are active duty military you are in effect "On Duty" 24 hours a day 365 days a year, but the remuneration is lousy.Pay our military personnel more than a living wage, they protect our nation and freedoms.My father was paid $30/month in WW2,I was paid $350/month 1972- 1976.had I as son/daughter, I would like to see him/her earn much more for his or her service.
I think it is time for the U.S. to bring back the DRAFT.  The Chinese have a million man army and 1/4 million man navy.  The north koreans have over a million men. If what I have read is correct we around the world have maybe a million men in total for all branches.
How would we be able to defend ourselves if we needed to - especially if obama and his kronies are trying to take the guns from legal citizens in the U.S.
During the American Civil War, Union and rebel soldiers would sneak out of their respective camps. Meeting somewhere in the middle, the Union soldiers would trade their coffee to rebels for their tobacco, then sit around and tell stories or play music.  The following morning, they would then take up arms and kill each other once again.

This may not stop war, but it does show that the guys on the other side are human too, not monsters. One may ask, "What's the point if it doesn't stop war?" Well, when the American Civil War ended, the two sides reintegrated with relative peace and with little grudge. Maybe the situation is of a different degree being different countries to start with, but this can help.

Maybe this is just another baby step towards a united humanity as we continue the pursuit of space exploration.

China does steal U.S. technology. This is a known fact. However, most of that is done in industry across computer systems and involving plans and information. There is little they can glean from the photo of a bulkhead that they do not already know from such operations. This showcase is for the sailors and goodwill, beyond the bickering and the espionage.
These are the guys that grow up to lead our countries.  Don't always live in the here and now....think future, too.  They'll not forget the time they spent with one another.  This can only be a good thing.

All the ships were clean!  Been in the military long enough to know that the ensigns spent days cleaning every nook of the 7th fleet ships.

IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT NAVIES TO GETHER SHOWING OFF THEIR SHIPS. THE CHINEESE SHIPS LOOK PRETTY GOD I ONLY HOPE THEY LAST LONGER THAN THE PRODUCTS THEY ARE SHIPPING TO THE US..AND I THOUGHT WE HAD FREEDOM OF SPEACH...YOU REALLY TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US BY SAYING "ALL COMMENTS MUST BE APPROVED BEFOR APPERAING IN THE THREAD...LETS SEE YOU PRINT THIS FULLY
This show of the many nations coming together does warm the heart and gives one a sense that there are decent people in this world.  I just wonder how much sincerity is actually being extended to each other by the nations who took part.  Most of the comments stuck to the main topic of this article until i read the person's blog about how Mr. Bush and Cheney have messed things up.  That really has nothing to do with the topic of intermingling between nations in a show of friendship.  He'll always live in the past and try to drag those two through the mud until he draws his last breath.  What scares me the most is that an inexperienced guy is in charge of our military and is weakening our security measures alrady in place that have been keeping us safe.  I sincerely hope that this friendship show doesn't have to go beyond other than being that , a show.  will he make the appropriate response in a time of crisis or will he do what he is doing now, kissing A**  for each national leader he faces?  Why is it that the Left always picks losers to front their party?
What all of you fail to realize here is that China is being groomed as we speak to take over the role of world leader. If you do your reasearch you will find this to be very true. No amount of money or weaponry by the US will stop this from happening. The US will no longer be the US as we know it in late 2010. Do your homework!!
Ok, well in relation to the Chinese government and communism, etc. I think that Jackie Chan was right when he basically said the Chinese should remain a communism. It makes sense for this reason. Democracy and a Republic are great, of course, freedom etc. HOWEVER have you looked into the U.S. government lately? Making laws, military action, political correctness, the list goes on and on. ITS SLOW. IT IS HARDLY WORKING FOR US. With voting on goverment offices, and on law-making etc. Our government's actions are very SLOW compared to other nations. And we only have a population of roughly 300 million. Now IMAGINE WE HAD A POPULATION OF A BILLION. Do you HONESTLY think that we could get very much done with all those people, the minority groups, political affiliations etc. etc. etc. etc. I DOUBT IT. China just simply is not 'built' for a republic or democracy. Yeah, of course they deserve freedom, all mankind do. It just isn't practical, with our present day economy the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer, so the gap between the rich and the poor is so SUBSTANTIAL in our economy look at what it's doing to us. Now imagine a gap of a BILLION people in comparison to our mere 300 million...
Now I know what's missing at these naval shindigs.  The Vatican/Holy See needs to have a Navy of some sort.  It would technically be neutral, but could sail all over the world and do things like confessions, mass, last rites, cast out demons, and so on.  It would be one gigantic aircraft carrier with a crew composed of various religious orders, and the Pope himself could make trips in it.  Once again the Pope would assume a warrior role. Let's get cracking on this and think of a name for the Pope's flagship.  The world will be a better place with the Holy See represented on the high seas - no pun intended.


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