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Taliban-style justice for alleged U.S. spies

Posted: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:08 PM
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – "I was given $122 to drop chips wrapped in cigarette paper at al-Qaida and Taliban houses," confessed 19-year-old Habibur Rehman, just before the Taliban shot him dead for spying for the United States. "If I was successful, I was told, I would be given thousands of dollars," he said.

In a video released last week by the Taliban as a warning to other would-be spies, Rehman recounted how he was recruited to spy on the Taliban in North Waziristan and drop small transmitter chips on specific targets to call in CIA pilotless drone aircraft.

"I thought this was a very easy job," Rehman said in the video before he was killed. "The money was good so I started throwing the chips all over. I knew people were dying because of what I was doing, but I needed the money."

VIDEO: Alleged Taliban spy confession

The chips transmit a signal to a satellite overhead. The drones, armed with Hellfire missiles, are controlled and remotely piloted by the CIA in the United States, according to Pakistani and western military analysts. Once the signal is received, the drone takes off from Shamsi air base in southwestern Pakistan and collects data and intelligence to attack the chosen Taliban and al-Qaida target.

A U.S. official, who spoke to NBC News on the condition of anonymity about the Taliban allegation said, "People should recognize this for what it is … extremist propaganda."

President Barack Obama has stated that he considers the drone program an effective tool to target al-Qaida sanctuaries in Pakistan’s tribal areas along the mountainous border with Afghanistan. Nine out of 20 wanted al-Qaida operatives, who were on a list drawn up by U.S. official last year, have been killed by drones using intelligence provided from chips planted by Pakistani and Afghan tribesmen working as spies.

Taliban says on to strategy
The top Taliban leaders believe they now have successfully infiltrated many of the spy networks operated by the U.S. and Pakistani military in North and South Waziristan – but not all.

"We used to watch these planes, but we had no idea they were chasing us and taking pictures of our activities," said a senior Taliban commander in North Waziristan, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

"In the early days of our jihad, our training camps were visible and people would come and go. We were not so concerned about the security of our locations, but that is all changed now. We abandoned all our old camps and re-located to new places," he explained.

The commander, who is close to Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a top Taliban boss in North Waziristan, said that 40 training camps have been moved because their Afghan friends, working for the Americans in Afghanistan, tipped them off about planned U.S. attacks.

"They told us the Americans had gotten pictures of our whereabouts and of our training houses and were planning to attack us through these unmanned planes," the commander said.

The commander said that once the Taliban had foiled their original plans, the Americans started paying Pakistani and Afghan citizens to identify their secret locations.

Taliban-style justice
"Finally, with the help of our sources in the Pakistani and Afghan intelligence agencies, we detained two Afghan tribesmen, who after five days of interrogation by our men, confessed to spying for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. They revealed other names and then we knew there were entire networks of spies operating in our areas," he said.

"Finally we busted one network of spies after another," the commander said and named some Taliban militants in their ranks who were operating as Western agents.

"Mullah Omar recently outlawed beheading of these traitors," the commander added. "Now we shoot them with AK-47 rifles, but only after we are sure of the charges against them."

A senior government official in North Waziristan, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared for his life, said the Taliban have recently executed more than 100 alleged spies in North Waziristan.

Mohammed Nasir, who owns a general store in Miranshah, North Waziristan's main city, said that everyone is scared to death the Taliban will arrest them as spies.

"There is non-stop killing now of people accused of spying," said Nasir. "The government has no control – so the Taliban pick up people and try them in their secret courts. It is impossible to prove one’s innocence."

Before he was shot to death, Rehman said he did not know that he was spying for the United States, he just did it for the money. "I was told that if I could put a chip next to an Arab house, then I would get $12,000," he said.

Courtney Kube, NBC News Pentagon producer, contributed to this report.

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I hope this is true and I hope we continue to do it.  Plant this stuff everywhere, find these guys and get rid of them.  They are a total waste of oxygen.
So, he dropped the chips all over the place?  No wonder we've been killing women and children with such frequency.  
These poor executed guys. They were probably completely innocent but after 5 days of torture, would say anything to get the release of death.

These are the monsters we emulate when we torture. We're beetter than that because we're Americans.
Hmmm - I wonder what form of interrogation the Tali used?  Did they follow Obama's guidelines?  Guess we will never know since everyone is now DEAD!
This sounds fair! Now we (US) don't have to torture anyone, just shoot them! Seeing as the Taliban does not abide by the Geneva Convention, I guess all agreements should be off. If we catch a spy, are we now allowed to give them the same treatment as our enemies, or are we going to sit, wring our hands and say that is barbaric and it could never be? When is the US going to realize that we are NOT dealing with reasonable people with idealogies that are not in line with ours? I may be wrong, but I am of the belief that Islam wants anyone who does not believe the same should not be allowed to live and defile their PERFECT world.
Looks like the cat's out of the bag.  The US should treat it's captures the same way....one bullet in the head...done deal.  I'm tired of reading about this PC bullsheet.  How US is the bad guy for treating its captures better then the homeless get treated on the streets in the USA.  And Europe needs to get off their ars otherwise they will be speaking arabic by the turn of the next century and will cry for the USA to help them.....just like WWII.  Hey you cry baby Europeans your chickens will come home to roost.
Taliban "justice" huh...and our Liberal government outlaws "discomfort" measures as "torture"?...come one...we have turned into a nation of pussywimps too afraid of what other countries think.  THAT'S why some in the world community disliked "W"...he did what he had to do in our country's best interest as he took an oath to do and didn't bother to ask for permission from France, China, Russia and their ilk.   Wake up folks...these countries are laughing at us and mocking us all while the chosen one Obama and his four stooges (Clinton, Biden, Pelosi and Reid) are in the midst of the "Worldwide US Apology Tour and World Apeasement Campaign" to "build a consensus"...China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, et al don't give one hoot about anyone's interest except their own...why should we be any different.  Sometimes it's good and noble to take the high road and do right thing the right way but...sometimes you have to get dirty, get in the mud, scuffle it out and just bust your knuckles once in a while.      
What is the taliban learning propaganda skills from the Obama socialist party media wing MSNBC, CNN, ABC? AND what is this with Obama attacks killing civilians in Pakistan???? Don't tell the moonbats they will protest correct?
Unfortunately, hundreds of innocent Afghans are being killed in order to root out one or two spies, which are among hundreds used to collect intel.  One spy's information is always going to be cross-checked by other separate spies and electronic means before a target is hit.  The Taliban is barbaric and ignorant, by choice, so their means of justice are shots in the dark and coerced confessions by non-spies.  
Unfortunately, hundreds of innocent Afghans are being killed in order to root out one or two spies, which are among hundreds used to collect intel.  One spy's information is always going to be cross-checked by other separate spies and electronic means before a target is hit.  The Taliban is barbaric and ignorant, by choice, so their means of justice are shots in the dark and coerced confessions by non-spies.  
I can't think of a more stark illustration of the disparity between our world and the Third World.  How tragic.  This poor young man, stuck between two very hard places, and then he is killed.  How many more will follow him?  There has to be a better way to resolve differences between cultures and belief systems.
This is nothing but Taliban propaganda. They control people through fear. They think if they can convince everyone that if they help us, they will always be "found out" and executed, that no one will support us.

They have been using these tactics successfully for years. People need to wise up.
The Taliban is a terrorist organization which is waging a cruel and sadistic campaign against the government of Afghanistan and the citizens of that beleagured country. They have also declared war on Western civilization. The Taliban's expressed desire is to impose Islamic domination on all the nations of the world. They will brutalize and kill everyone who stands in their way. They will stop at nothing to destroy us. So you have to take every word out of their mouths with a grain of salt. Propaganda is part of their stategy. And mass murderers are not above lying about what they do.
Pakistani and Afghan intelligence services need to clean their own house of Taliban sympathizers.  That's the price you pay in war.  Give the CIA credit where credit is do.  Our military can't keep up this pace of multiple tours of duty in this region of the world.  US forces can't fight more for the freedom of the Afghan's than the Afghanies themselves.  That lesson was learned in Vietnam.  
 Were in big trouble. We should pull out of Afghanistan before what happened to the Russians and everybody else happens to us. We cannot win a war with our hands tied behind our back. As bad as the Taliban are they are not the one's who attacked us on 9/11, not one of the terrorist's was Afghan. And you will not get them to give up Bin Laden. This whole mess could have been avoided if we had taken our time waited until we had verification of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden's where abouts and nailed them to the barn door with one strike. As for Pakistani terrorist's that their problem. They have an army, use it or loose it.
So if I am Taliban with US rockets just across my border, ready to destroy my way of life in my own country, why wouldn't I interrogate (read torture) suspected spies and execute convicted spies?  We in the West may not AGREE with Taliban way of life, but we have to understand WE are seen as THE terror threat.  We in the West may not AGREE with the Taliban tactics for possessing their homeland, but our CIA tactic of promising mega$'s we know will never be paid to people who don't understand what they are being asked to do, is dubious.  Then again, all war and deception is dubious and very dangerous to all parties.  It all must stop.  We must understand each other better so we do not fear each other so much.
This poor man did not even know who paid him???  He died for $122?
This should be a lesson. The Taliban only interrogates their prisonsers. I am sure there was torture like loud music, or making them stand for hours or lap dances by female interrogators. They likely used much more civilzed methods of interrogation like beatings, and getting cut up bad or shocked or shot at or watching their wife or daughter get raped. We are so uncivilized here in the west. We could learn a lot from these fine upstanding citizensof the world. It's all Obama's fault.
What the Taliban don't get is even if this is true we'll just find another poor Afghan to do the job. There's plenty of them around. So, you can keep killing your own, or, you can wave the white flag. Either way we're going to find you, PUC you, or hopefully kill all of you idiots. You're choice. But in the end, this is how the game works; you keep ranting and raving about your God, (which for the record is everyone elses too)and eventually your voice gets loud enough to hear, at that point we drop a bomb on your ass.

Keep up the great work Tali, we're just a few steps behind you breathing down your soon to be broken neck!

Warm regards,
Proud Army Vet
this looks and sounds like a lot of b.s .I see no physical signs of interorgation trama. Speach pattern still has normal rythum.Eye pattern during confession seems also normal in relation to speech,and physical movement. In my opinion this is a ruse.
this looks and sounds like a lot of b.s .I see no physical signs of interorgation trama. Speach pattern still has normal rythum.Eye pattern during confession seems also normal in relation to speech,and physical movement. In my opinion this is a ruse.
More propaganda from the Taliban.  They may have discovered some but the real question is how much of this is destroying the integrity of them since they "cannot" trust anyone.  Now they begin to squirm, murdering friend and foe alike.  At this rate it will be Osama, Ayman, their bodyguards, and about 20 left.
And Obama has the stones to say we torture the enemy.  You have to be blind and or stupid to see that we are becoming a second rate country with Obama acting as president.  God save us all.
Wow, its disgusting how these poverty struck Afghans are being bribed and used for this type of work, shortly after they are killed. Its true that the U.S. feel that middle eastern/Afghan blood is cheap!
After reading this story, it really upsets me that the bleeding hearts in America are so worried about what minor things we do, in comparison, to suspected terrorists to gain information that will save hundreds of lives. What our country is doing doesn't even compare to the beheading or firing squads that al-Qaida and the Taliban use. We need to take the same stance that they use. An eye for an eye.
al-Qaida and Taliban are using this as an excuse to do major "house cleaning" of any one they don't like or feel threatened by...

The Pakistan Gov't is powerless to control them and have basically given al-Qaida and Taliban control of this entire area so that the current regime can play puppet politician in the Capital (for a while)...
While a viable MILITARY tactic, blowing up
Taliban tribesmen from 50,000 feet won't solve
the problem of insurgents until the ROOT CAUSES
of the insurgency are solved.

a) The U.S. has invaded another country
  where it should be obvious that an insurgency
  would arise simply becuase that the Afghanis
  do not like being invaded by foreign powers.
  Why this obvious consequence was not taken into
  account before the invasion is baffling to me
  and my compatriots.

b) The effects of Hollywood and the media have
  unfortunately brought about unrealistic
  expectations of what America can do about
  the extreme poverty of the typical Afghani.
  It is unrealistic to expect America to solve
  the world's problems using it's military
  might when the free (and lawful) economic
  activity of groups of entrepreneurial
  Afghanis would do FAR MORE to help out the
  country than any expectation of a foreign
  power saving the people of Afghanistan from
  themselves. This means that the ordinary
  Afghan must WEAN themselves OFF of the
  Hollywood expectation of an American Cavalry
  coming to save your collective selves from
  poverty and lawlessness.

  I say that an open people's rebellion
  AGAINST the Taliban itself would be the
  catalyst for a free Afghanistan but that
  means having the same men-of-courage and
  organization capability that started with
  George Washington et al...and right now
  I must ask that we leave the country to
  itself until the Afghans can grow some huevos
  enough to question and rebel against their
  few masters. We should be only providing
  covert help to those specific identified
  groups that are capable of being the
  equivalent of the Minutemen of 1776!

  Until then, Afghanistan should be left to
  secretive special forces only rather than
  a having on overt external large-scale
  force that is symbolic of outside
  imperialism to the average Afghan.

  Overt militarism may be tactically viable
  but from a long-term strategic view, the
  consequences of our continuing overt stay
  is much more than any possible political
  gains from such forces placement.

  I hate to say this but Ronald Reagan did it
  right in the 80's. He only sent covert forces
  who helped out in strategically important places
  to help defeat the Soviets. In this time, we
  are dealing more with general poverty and
  simple religious strife than any concerted
  long-term war, therefore we must concentrate
  our efforts to covertly sway KEY people in
  the local village governments who have the
  ability and political power to cause the
  general Afghan public to be question itself
  and it's current leaders or Taliban extremists
  followers so that they eventually say enough
  is enough and begin helping themselves!

  For us it would cheaper in terms of actual
  monies saved and in the saving of American,
  Canadian, British, etc. soldiers' lives!

  So the key point is to think Covert Action
  for and against Key People over a long period
  of time - Only then will we win this battle
  of the minds!
 

Glad to see the Taliban are fighting back.  They may not have technology so they need to resort to human intel.  The CIA and ISI have no problem torturing people to death.  How is this any different?

Isn't it about time our troops come home?  How valuable could the mining resources and pipeline be that we're fighting a decade long war?  
The "chips" could be real, since it would not be tough to develop such a capability. Even making their signals hard to detect by the enemy is old stuff.  However, I'm distressed that the media and enemy would know of them.  They should certainly be classified, and any friendly agents dispensing them should not divulge that they are detectable by satellite.
Horrible.I would like to see their torture memo.Second thoughts I would hate to see their torture memo.At least it was a quick death for this young man.Spying for the United States or spying for the Pakistan government,or maybe not spying at all?I hope they have made more enemies in Pakistan by publishing this video.
Before suspected terrorists, before somali pirates, before anyone, the taliban must be eradicated.  All that will stop them is to destroy them - there's no bargaining with them, no reasoning with them, only destroying them, once & for all
If ever there was a story to help make it clear that we need ot protect our sources, this is it.  This guy worked for us and it got him killed.  Loose lips sink ships.
I wonder if interrogation by the Taliban is anything like that of the United States. After all, the Taliban is known for its sensitivity and its strict adherence to international norms for the treatment of women, non-Muslims, and gays.
"Who after 5 days of interrogation by our men, confessed to..."...."So they(Taliban)pick up people and try them in their secret courts.It's impossible to prove one's innocence."   Shameful and ignorant behaviour for any group of humans.
looks to me like greed is what got that fool caught up. Greed is a common attribute that has lead to the death and/or apprehension of many spies.
looks like "all is fair in love and war" is being practiced by all sides.
Well, all good things come to and end.  It sounds good, but if the locals are just going to throw a radio chip next to any random house and kill an innocent family...then it's only going to backfire on us.
As they say, "If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime."  
well, now that is it. Their own people spying on them. What a hell? They should not kill them but recruit them into their system such that they can use their training that they have from U.S.A to also spy against the mighty U.S.A.
Dont u think that is  good Idea. Then for us in Africa, we shall sit and wait to see A Lion fighting with a Hare!
Hahahahah!
Thanks!

I have read from your web publication dated 18/04/2009 entitled "Taliban-styled justice for alleged US spies".
My immediate reaction was 'what callousness & contempt shown by US authorities to the lives of Afghanistanis-hundreds of women,children non-combatants'.
Surely this amounts to atrocities and borders on crimes against humanity committed by the US afganistanis paid($1.22) agents, the operators of the unmanned drones and the US administrators!
The US seems to display an equivalent attitude with its international trade,consumerism(illicit drugs,weaponry,human sex & body parts).
This is the very stuff designed to create an inexhaustable source of afganistanis anti US recruits.
Surely the UN ought to investigate this scenario but will not as the US remains its largest funder armed with its veto!

 
Well when you play with fire you should expect to get burned eventually. It is not like these guys dont realize that there is a war going on over there, its not like they dont know the US and its Allies are after these folks at what ever cost. Oh and to find someone who is sympathetic or is in need of the monies paid out to find the bad guys isnt hard to find either, but finding one to live long enough to be deemed worthwhile, well.... now thats the tricky part.
We shoot spies too, in times of war, and this is the War on Terrorists. We're no better or worse.

I'm not against it, mind you, I support our troops in anything they do, but we shouldn't be cynical.
But whatever you do, please do not waterboard or incarcerate our enemy insurgents.  Please, oh please close up the "secret" prisons.  After all, our sworn enemies spend 5 days begging and pleading in the nicest ways with the "spies" to give them answers.  They have even stopped lobbing off their heads.  When are we going to fight this war as humanely as our adversaries?  And NBC News, if your reporters can find these wanted Taliban leaders to interview them, don't you think they might have the slightest moral responsibility to forward the location information to our military, or are you still going to keep asking, "Why can't we catch Bin Laden?"  Hypocrites.
The guy probably would have said anything to avoid worse treatment. (Yes, worse than being shot.)

What kind of chips? Potato chips? (Maybe the Taliban bans them like they ban kite flying or making art and statues.)

Once again this shows the murders and barbarians we are up against (By We I mean all good people, including the good people in Afghanistan and Pakistan) and I am very surprised that some people around the world aren't supportive of knocking the Taliban out for good. God Bless our Military for all they are doing to wipe out those butchers and ensure freedom for average Afghans for this man.
What do you mean it was released as propaganda?  If its true that this evil is going on, on both sides, that is not propaganda.  If we can't protect these kids from being killed, we shouldn't be doing this.  If we can do that, I would rather see our leaders tell our army to blow up what ever areas or the whole area where they think or kinda know our enemies are.  Whatever happens, happens.  At least it is in the name of war.  This other thing is deceipt, in the name of manipulation.  
The part about him 'starting to spread the chips everywhere just for the money' is definitely a bit of propaganda, I mean it is such a risk to be caught doing something I am sure they do it only when extremely necessary, when a proper target is confirmed as liquidated by the CIA based on the tribesmand's help, that's when the real payment is given by the Americans, pure and simple.
Thieves and liars.
Waterboarding doesnt seem so bad now does it?
When will the Taliban release the memos exposing the techniques they used to get these confessions? When will we see an international outcry over actual torture to match the outcry over the non-torture the USA has practiced? Just wondering. So Mullah Omar has gone from cutting off heads to just shooting them in the head. What a compassionate guy! I'm sure that meets the Geneva conventions requirements. When will the USA stop cutting off heads and only shoot the prisoners in the head is my question?!!
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Taliban-style justice
"Finally, with the help of our sources in the
Pakistani and Afghan intelligence agencies, we detained two Afghan tribesmen, who after five days of interrogation by our men, confessed to spying for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. They revealed other names and then we knew there were entire networks of spies operating in our areas," he said.

"Finally we busted one network of spies after another," the commander said and named some Taliban militants in their ranks who were operating as Western agents.

"Mullah Omar recently outlawed beheading of these traitors," the commander added. "Now we shoot them with AK-47 rifles, but only after we are sure of the charges against them."
Taliban justice is delivered in Chicago where a couple kids are murdered by drug gangs each week. We need to move some troops into Chicago and wipe out the home grown terrorists! Why doesn't the media care about that? Is it because the child victims are usually black or Hispanic? I think the news media is racist! and doesn't care about these kids being murdered.


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