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You can protest in China, if you get permission

Posted: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:45 AM
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By NBC News’ Bo Gu

BEIJING – After eight days of house arrest in a dingy hotel room in Shanghai, Cui Fufang was released, just as the National People’s Congress, the annual meeting of China’s Communist Party leadership, ended in Beijing last week.

The detention, according to Cui, began when she, along with dozens of other aggrieved citizens from Shanghai, went to Beijing to apply for permission to protest against the corruption that often characterizes property disputes in China. 

Cui’s story is similar to that of millions of other disadvantaged Chinese residents who lived on land that local governments wanted to use for large construction projects. When residents are unable to reach an agreement with developers – who are usually well connected with local governments – the houses are often torn down without consent from their owners.

Image: A woman cries as she is stopped by paramilitary policemen after protesting near the Great Hall
Alfred Cheng Jin / Reuters

An unidentified woman cries as she is stopped by paramilitary policemen after protesting near the Great Hall of the People during the National People's Congress in Beijing on March 11.The woman was later taken into a police van and driven away. 

Cui’s house was demolished in August 2005 when the Pudong District Government told her the land had been requisitioned for the upcoming Shanghai World Exposition in 2010. Cui did not receive a penny, or any other form of compensation, when her house was torn down.

Her attempt to sue the local government was rebuffed by the Shanghai Intermediate People’s Court.

As a final option, Cui – and 67 other Shanghai citizens who had similar experiences – decided to go to Beijing and apply for a permission to protest, a right that is enshrined in China’s constitution.

Petitioning is a legal tradition that dates back hundreds of years to imperial times when ordinary citizens would travel to the capital, as a last resort, to submit petitions before the emperor or the Minister of Justice after failing to resolve their case through local channels. The practice was resurrected during the Mao era and still exists today, at least in principle.

However, within 45 minutes of Cui’s group seeking permission to protest in Beijing, 10 officials from Shanghai’s representative office in the city appeared on the scene, according to the petitioners. The protesters were filmed, pushed into three vans and taken back to Shanghai on the same night, locked in different locations and not allowed to talk to their families or friends.

House arrest
Cui, 52, explained the circumstances of her captivity in a phone interview from Shanghai after her release.

She said she caught a fever while she was under house arrest, but that her captors refused to give her any medication other than a bottle of cough syrup. She said that the hygiene facilities were limited – there was no shower, she was only given a toothbrush and toothpaste after two days of detention and she wore the same clothes for eight days. Her cell phone and charger were confiscated so she couldn’t contact anyone and two women watched her day and night in her room, in addition to three male guards who were posted outside her door. 

Cui said that many of the other petitioners had similar stories – eight days in a small hotel room, no showers, no communication with the outside world and no access to medical care.

The Beijing police said they could not respond to questions about the alleged house arrest without a formal written request and permission granted by the Beijing Public Security News Office. And the Shanghai police denied they put anyone under house arrest. (Although, according to Cui, she was interrogated and filmed at the Shanghai police station before being detained.)

A right rarely granted
While protesting is a legal right stipulated by the Chinese Constitution, it is only allowed after getting permission from the Public Security Bureau, the government department that handles policing, public security, and social order, as well as residence registration, immigration and travel visas for foreigners.

But in reality, protesting is a right that is rarely practiced.

During the 2008 Summer Olympics, in order to give the world an impression of open mindedness, the Beijing police opened three parks in the capital as "protest zones." But when two 70-year-old women tried to apply for a permission to protest against the illegal demolition of their houses, they were informed that they would be sent to labor camp for charges of "disturbing social order."

According to media reports, China received a total of 77 applications to stage protests during the Olympic Games, but none were approved.  

Every March is a particularly sensitive period in Beijing due to the annual National People’s Congress. Many petitioners with grievances consider it a good time to go to the capital because they believe they’ll have a chance to see the representatives although security forces clamp down more than ever during the same period.    

Cui says she’ll go back to Beijing again to petition and apply to protest, as long as she’s alive. Retired and divorced, pursing justice is her new job.

"This has basically destroyed my family and life, and I don’t have anything to lose now. Once I get another opportunity, I’ll go to Beijing again," she said.

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And we are sending our jobs to China!
Just another example of China trying to hide the truth from the rest of the world.
Hilarious!! Government of the people??? Hall of the People?? Looks like they don't give a sh*t about the people!!! Governments are all the same anywhere!!!
Why is the United Nations not clamping down on China's human rights abuses? Why is China even a U.N. member? Cui's story is heartbreaking; the next time she goes to Beijing, she should bring her entire village with her for people power!
This is all about MIGHT. I Lincoln once said that " Might is Right."

If you have the POWER TO screw people, then, you are "right" about doing it. But, in a TRUE DEMOCRACY, like we have here in America, we have what is called a BILL of RIGHTS, to protect American Citizens from ABUSE of POWER from   "the powers that be."

Behind this thinking is REASONABLE CAUSE. If it be PROVEN that you have good reason to do something, then the LAW is there to protect your rights without FEAR of RETALIATION from the POWERS THAT BE.

This is our BASIC FREEDOM that we enjoy in a TRUE DEMOCRACY. The right to PROTEST, or do something, or NOT do something, under the umbrella of "reasonable cause."

This is what is meant by "Government of the people, by the people, from the people,"  as an acknowledgement that we, as Citizens, DO HAVE individual rights towards REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, when it is reasonably called for.

The thought behind this is "reason." It must have good reason, and cannot be mistaken from just arbritary action.

We have rights, and those rights have to be protected. This is the very reason WARS are fought. Men and women have died in Wars that HAD to be fought to protect this basic freedom.
Thanks.
Wow, its really hard to wrap your mind around how this country treats its people. Thank you God that I live in America!
What a horrible way to live. Chinese do not have any freedom of expression. Give me economic meltdown rather than living in a place without a right to speak.
I thought this country supported freedom? We're in bed with China so deep even Hillary wouldn't talk about the crap they're pulling! So much for our purpose.
The US won same battle against the tyrranical USSR by containment the Red economy eventually collapsing wit hthe weight of its own sins. The US strategy with China is apparently different. We apologize for them, gloss over their oppression and award them with being the primary foreign creditor, giving them large portions of our wealth.

Red Chin won't wake up to the God given rights of man until the US starts again to oppossing the sick experiment of some people upon their fellow human beings that is communism.
China will never change, the communists have all the power, but they are the minority where as the people are in the majority.  When you have the backing of the Military and Police, they can do what ever they want.  Just shows what any form of Government can say and write then turn a blind eye when the right is asked for and denied due to corruption.  They just don't have the time for the average person or they just don't want to hear the average persons complaints.    
Coming from a communist country and raised there, I know very well the "allowed ways of protesting", its ok as long as you don't point your finger at the real cause, but if somebody dare to do it, they make you pay with years on prison or even with your life and just for complaining about being hungry!
US has a double moral, on one side we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis from Saddam's oppression, but on the other side we had help the Chinese communist government to become one of the more powerful on the earth, they made their billions from slavering millions.  
Is very sad to see how China invaded the US with their cheap, low quality stuff and how many of us got unemployed because the products we use to manufacture are now "MADE IN CHINA".
We the people (forget the government) in the US and other developed countries DO have the power to stop them. Stop buying made in China and buy products made by countries who are fair to there citizens.
Sounds similar to how US citizens are treated if you ask me.  Get arrested, can't make any phone calls because you don't have an account, can't make an account, someone on the outside has to fund your account and you can't call him/her because you don't have an account to call.
You have to wear the same underware for 4 days and are not allowed to wear more than one pair into the jail (even if you knew you were going to be arrested.

Medical care is minimal, the cell was too cold because two walls were outside walls in the middle of the winter.

The food is so bad that no guards would dare eat it.  (food passed inspection because good food was brought in during the one month they knew the jail was going to be inspected).

The article never said that the woman owned the land nor did she pay for the building that was distoyed.  Very likely this was government housing to no cost to her.  
"Cui did not receive a penny, or any other form of compensation, when her house was torn down".  This is far from the truth!  I have personally known many people been relocated and EVERY house is properly compensated. It may not be the amount the owner wished for, but usually above the market price.  Writes shoyld verify such alegations before publishing it!
You wont be thanking God you live in America for very long. We also do not have rights, we have privledges.

If you have the money (which is power) you have rights. You do not have rights if you do not have the money.

Our country just mususes its power differently than other country s like China
To think Republicans want to take away our freedoms. We could have ended up like China.
I am certainly no fan of China, but how about we clean up our own continuing human rights abuses, our own dispossession of private property occuring in the US, and focus on pressuring our own legislators to make it less attractive for companies to outsource needed manufacturing and technical-service jobs overseas--before deriding China's sad state of affairs first?

I personally find it so hard to laugh at how "backwards" China's human rights and citizens' liberties/quality of life are, when for 8 years under the Bush administration we strove to achieve the same exact type of police-state, with "we must protect the soverign right of our government above all else" moral structure.  If we as a people allow too much power to ever be centralised and held over our heads through fear, we will end up with the same "lack of rights" shown in this news story.

As a side-note, Chinese communism isn't even communism as such--it's more along the lines of fascist socialism, given how ingrained the Hong Kong style of capitalism is merged into their economic infrastructure.  This will only be furthered if China ever manages to invade/occupy/brainwash Taiwan into becoming another protectorate state in the PRC.
Angela, They are members of the U.N. and we support them because they hold trillions (TRILLIONS) in US treasury notes and that alone gives them alot of leverage.
I think we are all missing a lot of information on the problems with China.  Do not mistake my comments.  There are problems with freedoms in China, but I think the problems have more to do with business, and power, than government.  The problem is more about corruption, than lack of freedom.  We've had many of the same problems in our country. Whether it is the Coal mine owner that hires police to break up union organizers, or rail road barrons that treat labor like slaves.  

It is not the governement, but the powers that have control the government that limit freedoms in China.  I believe the Chinese people are on a long journey to realize true political freedom.  This has always been the case for any society.  As people no longer have to worry about starving they begin to worry about personal freedoms. I think anything we can do as a country to help the people of China, will help them in this quest.
Bah, life is cheap in China.  Of cheap things, it is the cheapest. Individuals have no rights.  That is their greatest export to the world.
 This is a 1.3 Bil country , if they give everyone the right to protest, do you even think the country gonna run, and also there is an old chinese saying:" The good of the country is bigger than that of individual." (oh yeah there is another one:" If there is no country there is family."
And its the Chinese that are buying up U.S. Treasuries right and left and we don't dare offend them with talk about human rights.  What irony - the Red Chinese are going to take over the U.S. - the bastion of capitalism - without having fired a shot and all through the use of the almighty dollar.  
Before you blindly criticize a country, you need to have some feel for the country and its people.  Certainly China has human rights issues, but they have made enormous strides economically, politically, and socially since Mao Zedong's death.  The Chinese are a great people, their country is on the move (visit Fuzhou,Guangzhou, etc.), they are the U.S. government's primary banker, and we should strive to forge a strong U.S./China alliance. And given our recent history, where does the U.S. get off criticizing other nations for human rights violations?
We're headed in this direction. Obama is a big fan of China. He has said the U.S. should be more like China. We rely on them and are indebted to them, how long before we are them?
Comments like "Why is the United Nations not clamping down on China's human rights abuses" and "Wow, its really hard to wrap your mind around how this country treats its people. Thank you God that I live in America!" amaze me coming from US citizens. The United States has an appalling record of human rights abuses. Most recently the US has detained people without charge for YEARS in Guantanamo Bay. These people have been tortured and abused in horrific ways then released, still without charge. I cannot comprehend how a nation can be as blind to it's faults as the USA is. Perhaps if you want China to improve it's treatment of citizens you should try leading by example rather than the blind criticism you have demonstrated to date.
I'm sure there's a censor from the Chinese Ministry of Truth reading this. Hello, sir, you know who you are! Please say hello for me to your friends in the Ministry of Love and tell them they look so brave jailing nice older ladies.
Just to be a stickler, we here in America do not have a "TRUE DEMOCRACY". Our government is a constitutional republic, with an underlying of representative democracy. People in power can do things that America may not necessarily want, then we have to go back and change it.

You'd be crazy to trust your government, that's why we have the right to start a revolution...
Hmmm...doesn't sound too far off from the USA, Free Speech Zones with protest permits required, arrest if you don't follow "the rules".
Ralph J. Monasterio
Good thought but we do not live in a democracy and never have.  We live in a democratic republic and they are very different things.  The fathers of the country were very much against true democracy as chaotic and ineffective.  

Next, Obama will try to establish a "National Police Force" during his term.  Once this happens, if we allow it to happen under the guise of "security", the already tattered federalism that makes our country unique and great that we enjoy will die and along with it individual freedoms.  We yell about what China's gov does but refuse to remove the blinders and see we are being led with carrots skipping down the same road, and sticks always follow carrots.
I think it's incredibly funny that your typical white, liberal, hippie thinks that the American Government needs to be expanded and our economy socialized because they believe that government can save us....when at the same time they tried to go to China during the Olympics to protest, their government simply put their loud dumbasses back on the plane and sent them home.  LOOK OUT AMERICA!  THIS IS WHAT OBAMA WANTS FOR THE USA!
some reading this may want to realize that this is what the 2nd amendment is there to protect you from. When the 2nd is gone the rest are at the discresion of the powers that be sorta like chinas right to appeal.
Ms. Angela, We should be careful to criticize China without substantially justified and substantial evidence that a reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support our conclusion.

Ms. Cui attempt to sue the local government was rebuffed by the Shanghai Inermediate People's Court. Now the question which most people like to know is:

 1) if is is proper judicial proceeding for her judicial remedy?

 2) The reason that the Shanghai Intermediate People's Court rebuffed if is because A) it is due to improper judicial proceeding or B) insufficiency of evidence to support verdict or insufficient to support affirmative finding on an issue.

Most of Chinese people, like Ms. Cui, has limited education and some time regarding Chinese executive branch is monarch of ruler who has a supreme authority to resolve their problem without going through proper judicial branch for their judicial remedy. It will set the bad Chinese social system for future democratic Chinese society if a executive branch wwould have intevened in any dispute or settlement of each Chinese citizen.

Dispute of property is civil procedure under our rule of civil procedure, not a criminal offence, thus I recoment Ms. Cui hire a attorney if she thought that a Shanghai Intermedial Court is currupted.
Chiaki N. thats very funny.  Under Bush we had the same restrictions as they have in China?  What have you been smoking?
Remember the protests in Tianamen Square?  They solved that with tanks and bullets!!!  The survivors disappeared. I am fed up with you liberals whining about how your "rights were trampled.  Try living in China or one of those "other countries" where you are "re-educated" for questioning the government. You have no idea of what freedom is until you LOSE IT

My Friends, for starters Conservatives want everyone to be treated fairly based on a unifying belief that we are all created equally under GOD.  The travesties that exist in China are the result of Communism which ultimately holds that we are all equal but some of us more equal than others.  Sound familiar?  It should!  We are leaning very heavily in this direction ourselves at this point.  My liberal friends remind me constantly that A) Woman deserves more rights in our family courts B) Minorities need an advantage because of what disadvantages they have been dealt. C) Businesses should be mocked and taxed to death because they worked their butts off to start these businesses in the first place. D) It is Christians who are creating all of the turmoil in the world!  E) Relatavism is Good because it allows us to explain away all of our faults and not have to take responsibility for our own actions and their reprocussions. F) I guess I could keep going but what's the point?  Freedom in America today means catering to special interest groups and promising them the world to buy their votes!!
I don't understand why we care about the Chinese people.  I mean, if they mame, torture, and kill them, what danger does that put us in?  We should do something to ensure we don't give all of our financial gains to China, though.
Please remember that even with all these complaints about China, the USA is running its own "American Auschwitz" ( Holocaust against Muslims ) in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It is a Racist and Genocidal Death Camp, expressly existing for the sole purpose of destroying Muslims. What's needed, is to free every HOSTAGE at the "American Auschwitz", and make CERTAIN that EVERY American Soldier that took orders from Bush or Obama is "Brought to War Crimes JUSTICE!"

If Bush and Obama want to run their own "Auschwitz", in Guantanamo Bay, then they must BOTH face "Nuremberg" style WAR CRIMES JUDGMENT, likely at the Hague International Court.
Is any country really different than China?  In the mighty USA  one can become president through illegal campain funds,illegal voter registration, voter fraud, and coverup as is obvious with this last election. 90% of the democrates that are in office starting with the president on down aquired their positions that way.  Now they are sure to bankrupt the good old USA.  Obama tosses our tax dollars down the toilet in hopes it will come up roses!  That was what he means by change!!  From God and Country government to Satan and Obama government.
And the UN worries about the US harshly treating some killers of innocent men, women, and children! The UN should ban China from all world trade! But the UN likes socialism and communism! Dictators and killers are good. We should move UN headquarters to China and let them hang the membership!
Say what you want about China, however; the USA is headed in the same direction. With every law passed we slip more towards communism. China has forced birth controll while the USA uses war as a means of population controll. Truth be told there is no reason for our soldiers to have ever steped foot in the middle east when we could have solved the problems in one day with the help of prehaps 20  ICBM's. I mean what the heck did we spend all the money on nukes for if not to use them. I can't be that bad of a person for opting to vaporise a country other then sending our sons and daughtors to a hell-hole of a country to fight and die in. We the people have no say in the matter, and it's probably a good thing, all we can do is complain to our congress men and wemon who don't care about the will of the people once they get elected into office anyway. So, in short when you speak of China keep in mind we are on the same path only we are at the beginning of the long path.
When are we in the US going to stop telling everyone else how to live and what to do?  In China, the government owns all the land and can do what it wants with it.  We don't like that.  My, my!  Someday maybe we will learn to voice our opinions quietly, then keep our noses out of other countries affairs.
When are we in the US going to stop telling everyone else how to live and what to do?  In China, the government owns all the land and can do what it wants with it.  We don't like that.  My, my!  Someday maybe we will learn to voice our opinions quietly, then keep our noses out of other countries affairs.
To Ralph J Monasterio:  

We do not live in a "pure" democracy.  We live in a representative democracy.  In a pure democracy, every vote is counted, they all count as equal and the majority wins.  In our democracy, even our vote for our President isn't pure.
The Electoral College decides the Presidency, if we lived in a "pure" democracy, you would be talking about how the last 8 years of the Gore Presidency had effected the economy, and our positions on the debt that Chaina holds.  Majority rule does not happen in the US, majority of those who vote for us does.
American win, again. Again and again. Chinese has no "rights", and American just likes recession and depression. 40 millions Americans are just stupid, refusing to buy health insurance. Americans killed their family members, twin boys, twin girls because they like jobless. 1 million Iraqis were dead simply because American brought them diseases they don't have immunity.
Chinese are getting richer and richer because Chinese gov busy oppressing their own people, and Chinese are lazy, cheating, and poisoning themselves. 30 years ago, China's GDP was 10% of that of Japan, this year, China's GDP will surpass Japan.
We all live in the world full of lies and propaganda. Chinese know fully that their media are doing positive spin. What about American? When can you wake up?
Im so glad I left America and came to Australia.
Meh, if the Western powers didn't go and pillage China and enslave Africans these sorts of problems (i.e., human rights, discrimination) wouldn't exist right now. China used to be rich and when you have wealth you have art, liberties, and all those nice things rich societies enjoy. When you're making a dollar a day like in China or a dollar a month in Africa, you can't worry about freedom of expression... you're worried about surviving. So let's see how our democracy holds up if or when we ever turn into a second world country. As far as I can see, even 9/11 caused us to give up our fundamental freedoms in exchange for security to let the government tap our phones, read our e-mails, and imprison people without fair trial. So I don't think we should be sitting on our high horse and denigrate other peoples or other countries when we are in a precarious position ourselves.
Many years ago I tried to buy a pair of tennis shoes that were not made in China.  It took me weeks before I could do so.  It is too bad that more people don't press stores to avoid buying Chinese (Red Chinese) if at all possible.  We just take our freedoms for granted and do not care if they extent to the rest of the world.
 China and the USA must clash, war is the only answer for the path both countrys are taking. Nothing happens by accident.
This is just ONE tragic story. I can't even imagine how many other untold stories there are. Not being able to public protest is the least of her worries.
China is corrupt to the core, and I know because I've done plenty of business on the mainland.

"Entrepreneurs" are either kin or close friends of the party bosses, whether local or central. Their funding comes from bank loans that ordinary Chinese can never get, with nebulous terms on repayment. If they default, it is simply written off the books. The workers get paid a tiny fraction of the minimum wage, and frequent work in poor conditions. There are no benefits. If that isn't enough, the factories dump toxic wastes into landfills or the local river, unlike in America where a company pays dear to process the pollutants.

And don't get me started on the artificially low Chinese Yuan to US Dollar exchange rate, manipulated by the Chinese to encourage exports to the USA, and discourage US imports.

Wake up America. Free Trade is a political myth. Our leaders and corporations have lied to us.
Oh, come on! Most Americans don't really care about Chineses peoples's right! See what USA did in Iraq! You think average iraq people will thank uncle sam for bringing them "FREEDOM"?????

News are always biased. People's mind are screwed.


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