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Many Iraqis fear ‘hasty’ withdrawal

Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:37 AM
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BAGHDAD – With President Barack Obama's announcement on Friday that the U.S. will withdraw its combat forces from Iraq by late summer of 2010, some Iraqis say they fear that such a move could lead to a resurgence of violence.

"Terrorists are just waiting for the Americans to leave the country in order to turn things upside down," said Ibrahim Salman, 55, a Baghdad municipality official.

Salman, who lost relatives and friends during the sectarian violence that raged across Iraq during 2005 and 2006, said armed groups could take advantage of the American military pullout to terrorize the country once again.

Image: U.S. soldiers take up position
Erik De Castro / Reuters
U.S. soldiers take up position to secure the opening of a water treatment plant in Baghdad's Sadr City on Jan. 21, 2009. 

"I am against a hasty evacuation of U.S. troops from Iraq because security is not completely achieved throughout Iraq," Salman said. "The Iraqi police force and army still need more training, experience, intelligence gathering and sophisticated military equipment." 

Obama explained during his speech at the Marine Corps base at Camp Lejeune, N.C. on Friday that while U.S. combat forces will be withdrawn by August 31, 2010, a force numbering between 35,000 to 50,000 American troops will stay behind in non-combat roles, with the final troops not slated to leave until Dec. 31, 2011.

"As we carry out this drawdown, my highest priority will be the safety and security of our troops and civilians in Iraq," he said. 

Obama said the U.S. forces that remain after the combat mission is closed out will have a threefold mission: To train, equip and advise Iraq forces; to offer force protection for both U.S. military and civilian operations that will continue in the country; to engage in targeted counterterrorism missions either alone or in conjunction with Iraqi troops.

VIDEO: Obama to announce Iraq pullout plan

‘Responsible and gradual’
Diana Obaedi, a 24-year-old private secretary, said she supported the idea of a "responsible and gradual withdrawal" of American troops. But as someone whose family was displaced by armed groups, she also was concerned that Iraq must be "stable and secure" before the Americans leave.

A barber in his late forties, Sa'ad Yassin, echoed this sentiment.

"Of course, nobody likes his country to be occupied, but I want joint Iraqi and American forces to get rid of the terrorists, criminals, gangs and sleeper cells who are waiting to jump and control the land and people," Yassin said.

Adel Abdul-Jabbar, a technician in Baghdad, fears there will be a bloodbath after U.S. forces leave.

"Pulling their forces and leaving Iraq to be devoured by Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Turkey? Oh! No!" he said. "No, I am sure al-Qaida and militias will destroy Iraq and Iraqis will be swimming in blood pools."

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‘History repeats itself’
Others expressed disbelief. Abu Ahmed, a retiree, laughed at the notion that the American forces will ever leave Iraq.

"They say ‘history repeats itself,’ I won't believe the American administration is going to pull its forces out of Iraq. They will stay for decades just like they did in Germany and Japan," he said.

Still, Amer Qabani, a 33-year-old oil-driller, was optimistic about his country’s future and thinks that Obama is a man of his word.

"He promised in his presidential campaign to responsibly withdraw his troops from Iraq," said Qabani. "I guess we will have to wait and see. I think Iraqi forces will be ready."

Editor's note: This blog was updated to reflect the details of the U.S. withdrawal plan that President Obama specified during his speech at the Marine Corps base at Camp Lejeune on Friday.

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Been there twice... Now the terrorists know when to strike. They can sit back, build up numbers of arms and people, get stronger, train and wait to strike once we leave. There is no longer the need for them to continuously strike like they have in the past. They will wait and my brothers and sisters will have died in vein.
Salman says "the security forces are not completely trained", my God how long does it take? When our infantry trained for Vietnam, we had 14 weeks. When we hit the ground there we knew what to do and how to do it. If the security forces in Iraq are forced to defend their own country, I'm sure they will be equal to the task. As long as we keep doing it for them, they will let us.
This is ridiculous.  Most rational people have realized this fact from the beginning, except for the Dems at least.  When Bush was in office, the only thing we heard from the Dems and Iraqis was how America needs to leave Iraq immediately.  Now that Obama is in, a "responsible and gradual" withdrawl is popular.  Mayabe the media just didn't interview regular citizens before.  If America isn't careful, this situation will be similar to our pullout of Haiti.
We should be out soon after all of our troops are out of Korea.  We have been there over 50 years so far.
it will be interesting to see what transpires in Iraq in the next 5-10 yrs....will they continue a path of having a "republic" style government, or will Sunni/Shiite battles begin again until one group gets the 'upper hand' in control? I would love to see a 'democratic ran government' succeed in the Mid East; it would truly be a testimony about how these people have put up with a lot of strife in the past decades and are ready to move beyond that. Do I think this will happen? Unfortunately not. I think the rifts in their majority groups in the country will not allow this. Can we really expect that the US could change in less than a decade what they themselves haven't attempted to change for thousands of years? Equality between their people? We shall see.
Obama has already commited to 36 months and back out of his word of 16 months to now 19 months.  He will keep up the same govenment that GWB set in place.  You can see it in his flip-flpp on Iraq and his warmongering for afganistan his huge bailout bills and his new proposal for even MORE spending, which means we get GWB the second with a democrate spin on tax and spend..  All of which will do nothing to solve any of our problems.  Let's move the gitmo prisoner elsewhere and still deny them their day in court but he closed Gitmo..  WHat's the difference?  None.  Change?  Nope more of the same
Aren't these the same people who have been demanding a withdrawal of american troops in the past?
My Mom once told me that there will come a time when I will have to stand up and be a man. That time has come for Iraq. We can not stay there for ever.
In the US it taks 17 years to train a battalion commnader (600 men), 19 years to train a brigade commander (4000 troops), and 22 for a division commander (17,000 Troops). It takes more than 10 years to train a platoon sergeant (43 men)  but we will train the Iraqi military from scratch in 14 weeks. What an idiotic statement.
Stupid.  Just plain stupid.

Why tell the terrorists when we will leave?

Sure we need goals but you don't tell the enemy what the dates associated with those goals are.  Now they'll just sit back and wait until we leave.  Don't get me wrong, I'm IN the military and I want America out of Iraq but to leave before Iraqis can defend themselves is irresponsible and will only embolden the terrorists (again) and further tarnish America's image abroad.  

Of course, liberals will understand none of this....
Iraq war has become a business. Many corporations and of course individuals are now dependent on livlihood and big money contracts as long as the war can last. This business of killing or get killed (war) must finally come to end. The prime responsibility for the security and control of the situation in Iraq is Iraqi people and its military. The same goes for the rest of the world. Unless they know that US is going to scale back and they will have to take the responsibility, they will all just sit on the fence and watch the show.
You have get the Iraqi's mentally be prepared to take on thir own responsibilities. They have people, money and best weopons and training at hand and I am sure they have the will to put themselves back on track. All this scary rhetoric of "terrorist will come back" is just a front show to keep the us tax payer money to go to waste to pay the contractors and everyone involved. Let everyone be responsible for themselves here and abroad rather than handouts and asking for babysitting practice.
NO matter when the US leaves Iraq, Iran will be there to fill the vacum.  The majority in Iraq are Shi'ites and so is Iran.  In 5 years you will be calling Iraq the Islamic Republic of Iraq which is fine as long as the people want that.  The anger I have is that WE, Americans opened the door for Iran to gain a lot of power in the middle east.  For as bad as Saddam was he was a buffer between Iran and the west and he kept them in check.  
comment for the person who stated our boys only had 14 weeks to train and then sent to vietnam.........and how many exactly did we loose over there??
Nice Catch-22, you ask them when there is no time line and they say they hate America being there and can't wait for us to get out, then you set a time line and they complain it will be too early and the country will implode.
No question war is evil.  But to turn the innocent people of Iraq (or a neighbor) into sitting ducks to be blasted and bombed by extremists is much worse.  Look at the slaughter in Cambodia and Vietnam.  Will America stick to their withdrawal plan when rescue is needed.  Will we wadle and ring our hands and cluck about what a shame like the genocide in Rwanda.

What does The United States of America really stand for?
Great Military success can never be achieved when you tell your enemy what you're going to do and when you're going to do it. I can see it now, Obama will pull the troops out, Iraq will be destroyed and the media will scream that it is all Bush's fault. Due his hatred of the military Obama is going to render the sacrifices of our great troops meaningless. Liberalism must be defeated and placed in the ashcan of history as soon as possible. Stopping Obama and the democrats from turning us into the the "Socialist States of America" is but the first step. We have to stand up and fight to save our great country. Conservatives Unite! Semper Fi!
Well, now the dems. wear the big pants in the family in U.S.....It's really easy to continually tear down decision-makers when you don't have to be responsible for anything you say....It's time for the liberal-elite to take responsibility....After-all, they are calling the shots.....What next, boss???
Well, now the dems. wear the big pants in the family in U.S.....It's really easy to continually tear down decision-makers when you don't have to be responsible for anything you say....It's time for the liberal-elite to take responsibility....After-all, they are calling the shots.....What next, boss???
Let me state for the record, regardless of when we leave Iraq and the final outcome in Iraq (stability/goverment/etc.).  My brother and cousin died there.  They died serving their country and following orders as they swore an oath to do.  Regardless of what happens in Iraq, a US soldier, marine, airman, or sailor does not die "in vain" if they were carrying out the will of the elected leaders of our democracy.  Anyone who says they did should be ashamed of themselves!
Let Iraq go to the dogs,along with Bush! His (Bush) war has cost way too much already in American blood and treasure. The Iraqi's hated us before, and they surely hate us now, they don't want to defend their own country,let them kill each other!
Anyone who thinks this combat mission retreat will go well has lost their mind!!!! I have family and friends as you read this that are involved in very scary bloody combat missions daily and yes i want them home. In this horrible war I personally have lost 3 friends that i went to high school with and I was very close to one of them and his entire family. Just typing this brings tears to my eyes. That bloody hell-hole will become worse than ever if we do a major troop withdrawl. My friends and many many others will have fought and died just to let many of those same battle fields become stomping grounds for terrorists once again. The terrorists will grow rapidly in volume and the WORLD will have a much larger problem to deal with. Want to help our troops there now well take the bailout money from all those big business rich dirty corrupt pigs and put it towards better armor and weapons for our troops. We may have put a strain on terrorism and violence but as soon as we reduce forces that tight  noose our troops fought and died for will loosen. When this happens you better pray to whatever god you worship to help not only all the innocent men women and children who are natives in the mid east but all of us!!!
If Iraq decides to be a "blood-bath" after we leave, what has President Obama planned for America in that situation?

Will we bring 100k troops back to try and restore?
Will we just let them kill themselves?

We did not seem to have an exit plan with the Bush Administration, but what is Obama's Administration plan for if/when the Iraqi's turn to extreme violence?
Of course it's a hasty retreat. Anyone who knew anything that was going on here in politics knew it would be. If President Obama could get our troops out safely today, he would. The only reason for the delay is over troop safety. Though, my buddies and I have bets on how long it will be til the terrorists over run it, and we (being the U.S. with allies, or the UN) come back as a "humanitarian effort" to refree the people we so hastedly left.
Retired Army: Where did you get your figures.? You obviously misread what I stated. The infantry training that I received for Vietnam WAS in fact 14 weeks. 6 wks. basic and 8 wks. AIT. We were shipped and were expected to know what to do once we reached country. I had several commanders who did not have the required years in service as you state. If we could learn what to do in 14 weeks, so can the Iraqi soldiers. Their commanders may be a different story. It's not rocket science, you know.
This isn't why I voted for Obama.

Making one mistake doesn't obligate us to keep on making mistakes.  Invading Iraq was a mistake.  We were looking for WMD, and there weren't any.  All this talk about "saving Iraqis from a tyrant" is post-hoc justification.  

Democracy for the Iraq people is not, and never was, worth one single American life. In Iraq, only a handful of Westernized intelligentsia even know what democracy is.  The rest are just keeping their heads down, waiting for the next strong man to emerge, as he most certainly will.

On this one single point, Ron Paul is right.  We marched in, we can march out.  Now.  And don't worry about the oil.  Arabs and Persians can't eat oil.  Whoever's in charge will want to sell it, and we'll be able to buy it.
I say we should pull out as we should have never been there in the first place.
But wait... How can this be? We were told by our reputable news agencies as they were actively campaigning for Obama that the Iraqi people wanted us out of there NOW! Surely that hasn't changed. Surely all the people who voted for Obama (It's Time for a Change) remember that being one of the main reasons we had to get out of there?

LOL... I'd sooner trust a rabid, hungry grizzly bear before I trusted the media or a democrat.

Flame on!
At least this story gives 2 sides, props for that one. One side shows that the Iraqis needed us, the other shows they are ready to possibly take care of their own country now.  Lets hope for the best for everyone.
Obviously, at some timely point, Iraq must defend itself.  

Without a public deadline, that point will always be later.  Undue hardship and possibly calamity would occur if, without adequate warning to ALL parties, the U.S. suddenly left Iraq.

Iraq's ambivalence toward the U.S.'s occupation is only one example of numerous instances around the globe of the U.S. having gotten mired by invitation, popular demand, self-defense, poor planning, and too often...arrogance.

The U.S. may still be the world's strongest superpower.  However, it may also rapidly be getting hollowed out by taking on and having to take on more than it can possibly handle.  This is being aggravated by the decay inherent in the greed and incompetence driving our latest and potentially worst economic crisis.  

It is time for the world to recognize and end its adolescent love/hate relationship with the U.S.  The world must seriously start establishing the adult governance infrastructure needed to assume rightful accountability for establishing and then maintaining humanitarian world order and peace.  The United Nations organization was a start, but is far too inadequate, as is, for the task.  For the global citizenries and their governments to continue leave the heavy lifting to the U.S., and then snipe constantly, is hypocritical, unfair, and irresponsible.

The world need not wait for the U.S. to tell it to do this.  Take the initiative.  But, do it with appropriate democracy.  Recognize that just as each of the world’s countries claims a right to share in global decisions to which they are ultimately a stakeholder, similarly, each of those countries’ citizens is such a stakeholder too.
I agree with Jared. Now that a timetable has been set, all the terrorist have to do between now and then is train and stay low. Iraq won't be able to stand on its own becuase the government and people are weak. All will live in fear of the next terror organization to step in and tell them what to do.I don't forsee Obama and any terrorist faction sitting down and talking, and the President saying "now that we are leaving, promise me you won't cause any trouble or overtake what we set up" Extremist do what they please, when they please, with no ones permission. So shall be the case with Iraq
debra smith: 58,463 and a lot of them were my friends. Maybe we should have had 5 or 6 years training and then less would have been killed.
I deeply regret the loss of life and the cost of the Iraqi debacle, on all sides. But is this a sound reason to continue the futile exercise? They are a tribal society, split by a deep religious divide, with extremists on all sides, and I believe the moment the troops leave they will set about each other with a vengeance, until one group becomes dominant. They will have their civil war whatever condition we leave them in, so what is the sense in continuing poring money and lives into an unsolvable problem?
We made serious mistakes in the beginning, the biggest was going into the country under false pretences in the first place, but surely, after seven years we have made up for those mistakes, and given it our best shot!
They are like adolescents, whilst ever we keep supporting them and giving them spending money they will stay with mum and dad for as long as they can. So, there comes a time when you have to say, enough, now get on with it yourselves. I think this time has come, because we now have our own house to look after.
Does anyone remember the pictures of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon with desperate people hanging on as the choppers left?  How about the bloodbath that followed in then South Vietnam?  Considering the folly of the recent election not to mention the folly of the Obama and Democrat plans to "stop the downward spiral" of the current economic decline, it is time to realize that we Americans are experiencing a crisis which presents the very real question as to whether we are any longer capable of self government.

It has always been this way. Why is this news. Anyone with half a brain could figure this out. Isn't this exactly what George Bush and John McCain told us would happen when the Obamaites labeled McCain as a warmonger during the campaign. Looks like the empty suit full of empty promises is going to have to start eating his campaign promises. But then again what did you expect from a junior senator who's only claim to fame was "I wrote a book" It was plain to see with every campaign promise how unqualified he was for the job to everyone with half a brain.

All Hail the Chief !!!!    LOLOLOLOLOLOL  

What a bunch of idiots......
Read "The Forever War" by Dexter Filkins and then ask if we need to be there in Iraq or if the Iraqi's want nothing more then the financial resources the American People provide. We are smiled at as they remove our wallets. We are the greater fools and all those who war for their livelihood will not change because the USA decided they need to. I ache for the families who suffer from war; they are the unwilling collateral of the omnipotent few.
Reply to Informed Citizen-
You don't get it-the lesson of Viet Nam , and of history, is that when you remove an dictator, you create a power vacuum.  Which is why we should not have ever gone into Iraq to begin with- we upset the power structure, and so now we own the results. This was entirely predictable, and unavoidable.  5000 US soldiers will have died, thousands more maimed for life, all because George Bush would not, or was incapable, of learning the lessons of history.
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Obama is making good on his promise.

We entered this debalce predicated on lies, thaks to BUSH and CHENEY.

Time to say goodbye. Stop giving Iraqis handouts-that's they will really miss.
Hey, when they notice the drastic change in violence, they will want their superheros back.  So who cares when we pull out.  Because we will just have to go back over and help our friends again.
Iraqis---Get out now!
No, wait, dont leave.
Get out now!!  
No wait,dont leave
Its time for the Iraqi people to MAN up and take care of themselves.  There has never been peace in that area and there will NEVER be peace in that area.
We dont have a dog in that fight, let them sort it out.  
Our recently dethroned govt...BUSH....has left his imprint on the area...or rather he left a crater.
If I recall correctly, it is the Iraqi government that negotiated and demanded that all U.S. military forces be out of their own country by the end of 2011.
I hate to sound cynical, but if the Iraqi people choose to reject the democratic government we installed and choose a bloodbath instead once we leave, how is that our problem?  We gave them the tools, they rejected it...therefore, its not gonna matter how long we stay.  We'd only be delaying the inevitable...so why keep our guys in harms way any longer?  If the bloodbath is gonna happen, better sooner than later
I think Iraq enjoys the hand out at America's expense, but also like to complain about the Americans that come with all the hand outs. Suck it up and support your own country, defend your own country, take responsibility for your own country. OUR country is in such a mess, we need to focus on US. Spend our money at HOME, not abroad. That whole side of the world swims in oil, surely between the mafia front called OPEC they can squeeze enough out of the rest of the world to stop riding on America's financial coattails. Let them civilize themselves or eliminate themselves, either way our focus should be back here. I have traveled worldwide, everyone hates AMERICA but loves our HELP. I say its time to focus on us and let them worry about themselves.
That some Iraqis might not want the U.S. troops to leave is interesting, but irrelevant.  Many other thier countrymen want us out.  The U.S. military is not about nation building.  The situation on the ground is relatively calm.  It is time for the Iraqis to stand on their own.  The U.S. cannot stay there forever and this is not "cut and run".

Those who died and were wounded, and those whose lives were disrupted, all of you made unbelievable personal sacrifices and deserve our gratitude and respect.  That you were called upon to make those sacrifices, and the fact that they were made, however does not make the Iraq war a justified undertaking.  It was a mistake, and leaving under conditions were there is a reasonable chance to have the Iraqi government maintain stability is the best exit strategy that will ever present itself for this tragic part of our history.    

The sacrifices made may, in some opinions, have been made in vain, but that does not provide a justification for even more sacrifices being made going forward.
While some of you have mentioned that we only heard stories about how Iraqis wanted us out of their country while Bush was in office, this is untrue.  As much as you like to blame the "liberal media" for one-sided reporting, realize that plenty of media outlets, including the Washington Post, the New York Times, and NPR also showed another side of the story from those in Iraq who were heartened and happy to have Americans over there.

My question is this:  Why should Iraq (or any other country) have a democratic form of government?  Is it truely what's best for them as a society, or is it what WE want to see, as it is clearly our ideal?  I think before we attempt to install this system of government, we need to look at the reasons why and whether or not to do so is ethical.
If we stay troops get killed, if we leave more people get killed, there's nothing that can be done to resolve this.  America has troubles of it's own than to deal with another country's "issues."  Iraqi's have become too reliant on the US military presence and at some point they need to find their own strengh. Unfortunately the oil that we rely on is positioned in Iraq, which won't make the situation good for America in the long run if terrorist really want to hurt the US through tampering w/ oil.  At some point the US has got to leave, it's drainng our pockets dry. This has become one big nightmare that won't end.
I am amazed at the arrogance of some of the responses. If the terrorist can train to fight and military men and women from all over the world can be trained to deal wit combat then why oh why can't the MEN from Iraq? Are they genetically deficient? It is not like they are a third world country with no means of securing the arms and training necessary. They have 19 months left so Carpe Diem and get it together!  
Let me ask - how did we leave VietNam?  How many years did that go on?  Finally the People in the U.S said enough!! that's how we left - How many were killed there?  Why are we still in Iraq?? Enough is enough and they don't even like us!!
All of you that are compaining about the U.S. troops leaving Iraq.Feel free to join the service and head on over to Iraq.
It's easy to say,stay there forever when someone else or someones elses sons or daughters are serving 3 tours and 3 years of their life in Iraq.
We can't babysit the people of Iraq forever with american lives and money.
Obama going to bring all them home to what? no work, no jobs, no future
I do love the arguement that since we shouldn't have been there in the first place we should leave. It's pretty idiotic to act like iraqi lives don't matter and that leaving them unsafe is an excellent idea or leaving them to be slaughtered by Saddam was ok to. Does no one else think it's not only racist but inhumane to base our actions on the idea that iraqi lives are not worth as much as american lives.


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