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Pakistanis to Holbrooke: We're sick of being pawns

Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:00 PM
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – As the Obama administration’s special envoy, Richard Holbrooke, meets with Pakistani officials this week, he is likely to find that a grim mood has gripped the country.

U.S. drone attacks are leading anti-American sentiment to soar, a Taliban insurgency is growing in strength, tensions with India have been renewed over the Mumbai terrorist attacks, and the war in Afghanistan is going badly for the United States, causing problems to spill across the border in Pakistan.

Many here believe that Pakistan is going through an existential crisis of sorts – 67 percent of those polled by Gallup recently felt the situation would not improve.

I’m here to listen and understand what the ground realities are, Holbrooke told Pakistan’s foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi during meetings on Tuesday. Holbrooke said that he has not come with any proposals or to issue demarches to Pakistan.

Richard Holbrooke, U.S. special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan
Faisal Mahmood / Reuters
Richard Holbrooke, U.S. special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, attends a meeting at the Foreign Ministry in Islamabad on Tuesday. 

One issue Holbrooke is sure to hear a lot about is the missile attacks from remotely piloted U.S. drones on al-Qaida and Taliban hideouts in Pakistan. The U.S. and NATO complain the sanctuaries are contributing to the deteriorating security in Afghanistan, but the attacks have infuriated Pakistanis, who regard them as an infringement on their sovereignty. After each one, popular TV talk shows and newspaper columnists highlight the civilian casualties from the U.S. missiles – whipping up even more resentment on the Pakistani street.

Retired Gen. Talat Masood, a political analyst and lecturer, says the policy should be modified.

"One idea that the Pakistanis have put forward to Mr. Holbrooke is to modify the drone policy to make it a joint venture that will be acceptable to all Pakistanis," he said. "The people have to feel that the threat is to both of our countries and that the U.S. is helping Pakistan because we don’t have the equipment to do it by ourselves."

Masood believes the government in Islamabad has failed to deliver that message and the people feel let down.

"To fight militancy effectively, the government has to mobilize the nation," Masood added, pointing to the government’s failure to come up with a consensual policy to fight the Taliban.

Feeling like pawns
Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, is popular in Washington, but he has not been able to win over his countrymen – a Gallup poll just before the Mumbai terrorist attacks last November put his approval rating at 19 percent. Pakistanis say they are being used as pawns in America’s war on terror. They are convinced that their government has secretly given Washington the go-ahead to broaden the drone policy, regardless of official protests after every U.S. missile strike.

Many analysts believe that there needs to be much better cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistani forces – including more sharing of technology and equipment – so that Pakistanis feel like they are more involved in defeating the enemy on their soil.

"The problem is that the Pakistan army is up against a hit-and-run ragtag force," said Javed Siddiq, the regional editor of Nawa-e-Waqt, a leading Urdu language daily.

"The militants use guerrilla warfare tactics – for example, our troops don’t have sufficient night vision equipment," he explained. "So whatever the army takes by day, they lose by night. The United States should give us the drone technology and night vision equipment so our army can effectively move against al-Qaida on our soil, instead of blaming us for failing all the time."

Humayun Gauhar, Pakistani author and political analyst agreed. "There has to be a change in thinking and a change in strategy to neutralize the militants," he said.

"Many so called Taliban in Pakistan are just gangsters who are too well-funded and too well-equipped not to be supported by foreign powers. They are often one step ahead of the Pakistan army," he said.

In Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province, Afrasiab Khattak, a senior politician of the ruling Awami Nationalist Party, believes anti-U.S. sentiment goes deeper than just the drone issue. He says U.S. wars have brought hardship to the Pakistani people for decades.

"First our soil was used by the U.S. against the former U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan and now again to fight al-Qaida," Khattak said, referring to when the U.S. used Pakistan as a staging ground to aid Afghanistan’s mujahideen fighters during the Soviet war in the 1980s. "We expect reforms in their [U.S.] policies and hope they realize the suffering they have caused by this campaign against terrorism," he added.

"In the end the only solution for the United States and for the region will be to negotiate with the Afghan Taliban – with those who are reconcilable," said Gauhar. "For the Afghan Taliban, it is a freedom struggle. You may think their cause is wrong but it is their cause to liberate their homeland, from those they consider occupiers, which determines the quantum and quality of their zeal."

Holbrooke has told Pakistanis that he will take all their sentiments back to Washington and that the entire U.S. policy for the region is under review. The hope here now is that Holbrooke’s mission brings not only a new policy for Pakistan but also a realization that Pakistan has to be included in any new strategy for Afghanistan.

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It is important to understand the problems of Pakistan are not just recent but have a historical background. The biggest problem with Pakistan (and of course Afghanistan goes with it) has been the lack of an established democratic system and instituions in which executive judiciary and parliament have a been functioning in a balance. Time and again there have been miltary coups supported by the westren countries to support their petty objectives. In the mid 50's just after a few of years of independence, a nacent democracy was nipped in the bud by a military coup that lasted till late 60's years (more than 10 years). After the revolt in East pakistan(now Bangla Desh) in 1971 the military realized its mistake and brought up a civilian govt through elections in a hurried reactionary manner. Then  again In the late 70's just as a democratic system was starting to grow a military coup crushed it till it continued till late 80's. Again in late 80's early 90's, again a hurried election was called and a civilian govt was made. Once again just a few years after the civilian govt, govt was taken over by the military in late 90's which lated for almost another 10 years.
This repeated tempring with the system by the military has weakend the link of pople of Pakistan with its Govt. Due all these reasons we see significant situation of choas which uncontrollable as it is. On top of all this the miltary actions against its own people under the guise of civilian Govt. has further alienating the people of the troubled regions. The government should halt all miitary action, call the leaders of the troubled region to join in and have a fair and open election to get the representatives for talk for peacful resolution of issues. Everybody should know that while last year there were elections in greter part of Pakistan, the major parts of balochistan and frontier province were under military action. How can you expect a people to come forward in peace and negotiations if you are not going to give them a chance to vote ?

The last elected govt was deposed by military again
The current Pakistani government is the continuation of the Musharraf dictatorship. The February 2008 elections were a farce and were totally engineered. Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and Afghanistan are under the crusaders lethal war machine and a scorched earth policies are hitting all these teeming millions day in and day out. For the local population the term government means collaborators/appeasers/apologists and puppets. That's why even after eight long years Afghanistan's struggles against occupation has now brought Pakistan to full circle since the decades of the 90's and 80's. Pakistan army and Airforce along with US security operatives have completely destroyed the established Tribal tradition and the tribesmen has no other way except to retaliate and avenge the aggression and the on-going occupation. The whole 9/11 drama was played inorder to get rid of the Taliban, while they forgot that it was an indiginous movement has nothing to do with terrorism and foreign expansion. The US and its NATO satellites sided with those of the Northern Alliance militia that was on the pay role of some European and neighboring states. The Northern Alliance is now fully integrated within the Karzai government and will remain so until the presence of the crusaders occupation forces in the land of Afghans. The day these forces leave Afghanistan will than and only than realize its autonomy and complete national self determination. Right now the US and its NATO satellites are presiding over the most atrocious and merciless occupation of their colonial and post-colonial and perhaps of their Neo-colonialist subjugation of a Muslim land. The most shocking side of this Fascist occupation is the hypocrisy and biased nature of the Western media as compared to what was in the case of the USSR's occupation back in the 1980's. The satus quo will not be enough for Pakistan even if temporary cessasion of hostilities arranged, rather it will need to revamp the entire judicial, economic, defence and administrative systems. This may come peaceful or what we observe on the ground may justify a sort of revolution that could be the only solution to heal the wounds of the past eight years of US Crusaders subjugation and humiliation.
PAWNS??? It's the Pakistani's who have used America as their pawns for decades! When the US provided aide for Afghan muj against the Soviets (which the Pakistani public conviently forgets they campaigned hard for) it went through the Pakistani ISI. The ISI gave the lion's share of US money and weapons to the most Islamist of Afghans. Alot of other money was funneled to their nuke program. Throughout the Dubya years Pakistan played both sides, signing numerous "peace deals" with the Taliban so their sympathetic army didn't have to fight their brothers in the North. It is a self-serving lie for them to say that now, when we finally stand up to the Taliban and Al Qadea hiding in "Pakistani territory" (which they don't really control anyway) that WE are someone playing the Pakistani's.
Then maybe they'll stay in Pakistan, good.
Right, let's involve the Pakistani's in the drone attacks so that they can continually tip off the targets, as they have in the past, so that the missles serve no purpose. I don't think so. If you're a Pakistani and you're tired of the missle attacks, then go tell the Taliban to leave YOUR country. It's as simple as that. You expect us to change our approach, yet you do nothing to change yourselves or your culture, which is the exact cause of the missles in the first place.
Pakistan acts as if they are the victim of US aggression here, and its ridiculous. Americans didn't attack Mumbai, or bomb the Marriot, or blow up the Kybher Pass bridge, or a million other militant actions. That was your fellow radicalized Pakistanis. The fact of the matter is that if the targets were'nt there, the missles would'nt be raining down on them.
It all traces back to radical Islamic anti-West, anti-U.S., anti-Israel, anti-anything that makes sense sentiment that resides in the hearts of the weak, mindless, and tricked Pakistani's. Your country is like India's personal garbage can.
Call me nationalistic or whatever, but the last thing we need is to give sensitive military equipment to a country as unstable as Pakistan; there is no assurance that such equipment would not end up in the wrong hands.  Similarly, what good does it do to share intelligence and coordinate all attacks if the results of those attacks are nil because of leaks in the Pakistani government?
Pakistanis say they are being used as pawns in America’s war on terror.

Then get off your ass and do something about it. take out the Taliban instead of supporting it...
It will be a sad day for humanity when the United States of America sits down to negotiate peace with poeple who throw acid in the faces of little girls who only wish to go to school.
Sounds like Cambodia during the Viet Nam Conflict.
Until the United States is willing to chase terorists across intrnational political boundaries and kill them, we will never win this. And negotiation with terorists is not the answer, only extermination works effectively.
Well the rest of the world is sick of Pakistan acting like a bunch of idiots. How about if the Pakistanis grow up and join the human race? What are the chances that their sick, primitive society will emerge from darkness? They should stop using Islam as an excuse for their foolishness and try to adhere to some of the core principles like compassion and the pursuit of knowledge.
Pakistan has lost control of the fire they have been playing with.  I think this day was inevitable.  They gave strength to these "freedom fighters" now they are reaping the consequences.  Of course the US has to share the blame, but what the Pakistani Govt. did to help and aid terrorist organizations and disperse nuclear techn ology to rogue nations, thet should take some or most of the blame.

They made themselves as a pawn so they could avail themselves of all the latest military technology and monetary aid from the US govt.

Don't play with fire my om would say.  But don't beat the hand that feeds you!
Typical American blud-and-guts foreign policy gone awry once again.  Hello, we CREATED the Taliban by training and covertly supporting them so that they could do our dirty work and get the Russians out of Afghanistan, and now we wonder why they are so tough to beat?  They are still trying to expel foreign occupiers, only this time it's us instead of the even more evil and much more brutal bullies, the Russians...
Give up Bin Laden and his cohorts and we will gladly leave.  Terrorist training camps abound between the Afghan and Pakistan borders. They scurry back and forth endangering the local populace.  The forces that keep the terrorists safe don't seem to mind that they are jeopardizing innocent lives!  
First of all we need to differentiate between Taliban and Al-Qaida. While we need to eliminate Al-Qaida I think that may not be the necessary thing to do with the Taliban.With all our communication might and our PR,we could get the Taliban on our side and even soften their hard ways of life.
One of the primary things we must do is eleminate
ISI in Pakistan by whatever means, then and only then
can the Taliban be befriended.Secondly we must Dump the absolutely corrupt Karzai government and install an interim Governor General (possibly a muslim us military officer)to bring about normality in Afghanistan.With good governance and promise of full control to a legally elected Party,we can rest assured that then Al-Qaida will be removed forever.
This war will never be won solely by military means. Of course, we need support of locals to defeat the insurgency. Good example is Anbar province of Iraq, which is one of the few victories in Iraq. The question is how we get that support in Pakistan and Afghanistan? I believe that we need to get rid of the corrupt middle men (local governments and politicians) who not only eat up our humanitarian aid but also not let our message get across to the people of that region.

We have to ask one thing - If these foreign governments and politicians are not sincere to their own people, how cna they be sincere to us and our efforts. We need to find ways to work directly with the people of that region, otherwise there is no point on relying on corrupt leaders there.
"Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, is popular in Washington, but he has not been able to win over his countrymen."

That's because nearly a third of all Pakistanies side with the innocent who allow the Taliban safe haven. Who in turn go hand in hand with Binladen's guys.

I'm guessin' they (just like us) gotta' learn the hard way
Hey Pakistan!  Americans are sick of you being our pawns too!  Get your act together!
Sure, give them our high technology equipment so they can re-sell it to the North Koreans and Iranians - That is their history, that is our future...
pakistan cannot handle this situation without the american help
Pakistanis have long harbored terrorists within their country.  For over 20 years, they have allowed these rogue elements to live in their territory and launch attacks on India and they did nothing about it.  Now they are doing the same thing on the other side of the country.  To some extent, Pakistani policies are largely responsible for the rise of Taliban.  It is inexcusable that they provide shelter for Talibans and others who resort to violence and force others to adopt their ways.  If they cannot or will not clean up house, they MUST allow external parties such as India and the US to come in and do teh dirty work.  It is that simple.  When there is ample evidence, doing nothing is no longer acceptable.
I have already sent my commensts , however, i forgot to mention my city.
Mohaamad
Kabul Afghanistan
As you sow, so shall you reap... That is a phrase that Pakistanis should be taking to heart. The folks you are fighting against are of your own creation. No point in blaming the US or any other country for the ill's that are coming home to roost. If the polity in pakistan believes that they are fighting america's war, then its even pointless talking to them since they just don't get it. Why is the current administration wasting their time?
More weapons and military technology to Pakistan to be promptly diverted to "alternate" usage by the military and the ISI. Now THAT's a novel idea!!!
THEY MAY BE SICK OF US....BUT THEY LIKE OUR MONEY!!  NO MORE AID TO COUNTRIES THAT WON'T STOP TERRORISM ON THEIR SOIL.  THEN THEY CAN BE SICK OF THE TALIBAN & ALL OF THE OTHER GROUPS OF THUGS AND MURDERERS.
So here we go again.  Another country to weak to defend themselves and are "tired" of being used a pawn's.  They are used as pawn's because they are to weak to defend themselves.  What do they want, they want for the US to give them equipment to defend themselves. HA-how long before those weapons we were to give them would be used againt the US and eventually kill US soldiers-just a matter of time.    
holbrooke is incompentent, and has caused incalculable suffering for hundreds of thousands around the world.  why is this embarrassment still on the US payroll???????  cut the pork.
"We expect reforms in their [U.S.] policies and hope they realize the suffering they have caused by this campaign against terrorism,"
So they would rather have taliban
killing them...I'd give pakistan what they want
and i'd cut off all the money we give them!!!
To a point, the Pakistani people are fed up with "foreigners" using their territory as a launching pad. It is not any different what is happening in Gaza, and the occupied territories in Palestine. We have to remember that we are on their soil, not the other way around. The innocent suffer destruction,casualties and death, and no fault of their own. This behavior will continue to strengthen the Taliban's ideology within a country whose religion and mores are far different from ours. When are we going to learn that we do not own the world, and we do not have to police it at all times.
Hmmm... sick of being pawns??? Give them the technology? Right, let's give the technology to a country that gave away or sold the nuclear bomb technology. These people are fundamentally backwards in the tribal areas. The government of Packistan needs to take charge of their own country and kick out these terrorists and if they showed positive signs of doing this then maybe they could work with our government and not feel alienated from what is going on. Every time this government is in on a secret they let it out, so no wonder they are informed after the fact. If your country put out a product other than heroin you quite possibly could learn to live on your own dime instead of American tax payers. If you want to run it on your own and have America stay out then don't take our money. Otherwise as long as you harbor criminals stand back and let the bombs fly.
Obama should understand Pakistan's position by placing US in its place and then take bold actions.

(CAUSES)  It is a poor, Illitrate, uncontrolled, unmanaged,country without any (honest)system, ignored and disappointed country.

(EFFECTS) Poor people ready to do any thing that bring money for them. Being illitrate can not distinct between right and wrong (easily brainwashed by clever), without honest system (everybody has financial greed)No project or plan successful, Uncontrolled system tells that they can not controll secretely done terroristic activities (India should understand this and stop blaiming pakistani government's involvement), Disappointed in their struggle for Kashmir solution 60 years of unsuccessful struggle.

(SOLUTIONS) In my opinion, first of all equip them with education, prosperity,hope, and solution to Kashmir issue. will bring solution to the end of terrerism. educated (Can easily controlled), wise, prosper, contented people satisfied with their life can not be hired for terrorism. If 90% of people in this situation it is easy to find, fight and finish the terrorists. it is like winning two fold stop growing and killing small number.

If such a wise policy is not implimented I doubt we can desprete and disappoint more people and result could go in reverse direction. I think Pakistan needs this kind of help.
Fine! Take our foreign aid  in the range of 4-5 billion $ and use it somewhere else! Who's kidding who? Do we have to pay for play everywhere we go? Who is blackmailing who?  
If Pakistan and Afganistan are such threats to world stability, why is the U.S. the only country with troops over there trying to stop these threats ?
Pakistan brought this upon itself by their active support of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and it was the Taliban's support of Al-Qaeda that led to 9/11, and consequently, the war on terrorism which is now embroiling Pakistan.  
Obama's success in Afghanistan will be entirley dependent on how he handles the situation in Pakistan.
Give/lease Pakistan their own drones.  Feed them intelligence and let them push the buttons.  They don't have to risk pilots, can be used as a cheap eye in the sky, and if they DO decide to fire its on them and not the U.S.  The drones stay up, Pakistan gets to do more, and maybe the hate starts to die down.
Unless pakistain can take care of these people we have every right to do so.  We of course can't give them millitary technology because it might eventually be used against us.  Never forget this is an islamic state.  India is our natural ally in this region.  If we try to coordinate with them they will warn the terrorists and they will escape.  The pakastania's that support the terrorists are also our enemies.  Yes the talibian sees it as a freedom struggle, but they are wrong.  They do not have the freedom to enslave their own people and to try to destroy western civilization (which is what they did before and will do again if we let them)
    The problem with Pakistan is that it is too close in character to the very people we are attempting to defeat; intolerant, unreasoning, individuals who rather than base their concept of reality upon actual understanding of life and others have chosen to allow a dogmatic, interpretation of a religious credo to dictate to them “the way the world works” rather than thinking for themselves, or allowing others to think for themselves.

    Mahatma Gandhi warned at the time the British left India that if they allowed a separate Islamic state to form it would be an unmitigated disaster.  When asked, and I am paraphrasing here, but not too far off, “How will Muslims and Hindus, etc live together without separate countries?”  His reply was, “As they have been living, side by side tolerating each other and/or learning to tolerate each other.”

   Did anyone listen?  Nope!  And so what we have now is exactly what one would expect when you allow a nation state to be run by religious dogma rather than a bona fide government responsible to peoples’ welfare and whose “legitimacy” is unquestioningly embraced by the majority of its population.  You have a nation that has an insular, alienated, “we hate the world because they’re not us” attitude with little, if any regard, for the rule of law or the rights of anyone – within or without its borders.

    Give them night vision goggles?  Why not just ship them directly to the Taliban; why use an intermediary and risk the Pakistani Army keeping some?  Bottom line is that we cannot trust Pakistan any further than we can throw it.  Some will say, “We have no choice but to trust them.”  This is not only illogical but borders on irrational; which part of “You can’t trust somebody you can’t trust, don’t they get?

    The solution?  The Harvard Negotiating Project many years ago said that the party that has the strongest motivation to walk away from a negotiation is the one with the strongest negotiating position.

    Perhaps our problem is that we are not willing enough to walk away and let them twist in the wind– as they so richly deserve.  Maybe it is time to cut them off; find a creative alternative to their “help”; and let them naturally implode due to their chicanery, and institutionalized corruption.  Alas, somehow I do not think that is going to happen!
Obama is bringing a new image to America and trying to do things the right way. It is important to look at things the way concerned people look at it. He is doing it but one must not forget that Afghan and Pakistan problem is very complicated and there are many angles to this problem and all of these require equal attention.
Britain failed to hold Afganistan, same with the Soviets, and now we expect to "win" there also? History tends to side with insurgencies. We trained Osama Bin Laben like you would train a dogfighting pitbull and now we are shocked that he is biting the hand that fed him?
I believe that the pakistan army can do better with the technology that they are currently employed with. If we start turning over even a fraction of the technology that we have for our armed forces, What are we to do if it falls into the wrong hands?
I think Mr. Halbrooke should have a message for the Pakastanni's...: the American people are sick of their people protecting the people who supported the killing of over 3000 innocent Americans on 9/11. And if they do not like us going after them on their soil as they say, then let's see them go after them and then we'll step back...But, just allowing those MURDER'S AND SUPPORTER'S OF MURDERS TO GO FRRE AND CONTINUE TO PLOT TO KILL AMERICANS IS NOT AN OPTION FOR AMERICANS WHO WANT JUSTICE AS WELL AS 9/11 TO NEVER BE REPEATED ."

AND i SUGGEST THAT THE PAKASTYANNI PRESIDENT REMEMEBER WHO ASSINATED HIS WIFE!  These same terrorist. and who has been attacking innocent Pakastani's who won't follow the terrorist?  Where's their protection?  And whose been attacking Pakastanni military, police stations and new police recuits....Where's the Pakastanni peoples outrage for those who kill their police or soldiers????NEVER HEAR PAKANATANNI OUTCRY ABOUT THIS!!  And this is one time I hate to say, but I agree with something George Bush said, the Pakastanni people "need to decide whether they are with us against the terrorist or for the terrorist"
And if they are truly democratic and for the rule of law quit protecting terrorist and killers in their villageS  and expect America not to go after those killers no matter where they ARE!
PAKISTAN IS A NATION THAT PROTECT TERRORISTS !!!!
IN the end, the only solution will be to end the terrorist mindset.  And if Pakistan wants to coddle and raise it as it's own.  Too bad.
You cannot claim to be a country,, if there are "tribal leaders".
Tribes, are of an extinct train of thought.
Basically USA and their allies failed to convince the
regional people that this is a war against terrorism
on the other hand people who were called Mujahdeen/
frrdom fighter by US itself has succesfully told the
people that this is a war against Islam/Muslim see what happening to innocent muslim allover the world.
Americans to Pakistan --  We are sick of your country harboring our worst enemies, and worse yet, sending them to kill our soldiers in Afghanistan and then retreating back to their safe havens in Pakistan.  If you don't want to be treated like pawns then start acting like knights.
It is of little accord, but what if our country were to be occupied by a foreign power, no matter what the reason. The end results could not be so different than that in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or in Iraq. Why are we so certain that expelling our will is what is best? Why can we not offer to join in the effort, than to direct it? There was a time as a child I watched the Vietnam conflict, it was saddening. I was a soldier and served until just the
Desert Storm war. War and killing will not bring resolve to the middle East conflicts, agriculture, education, infrastructure serving the people that need it. Our hope should be that as we reflect in this path that our turn is not soon in this order of required occupation, as I feel it would not bode well with our society. Violence is the result, not the cause. Eliminate the fear that the militant force has over the people by assisting them to be stronger, now you have an alliance. Tell them what, when and how to do it and you have a violent occupation, with no hope of winning...  I Pray for us all
The Pakistanis have only themselves to blame. A nuclear power with an indigenous population, in the tribal hinterlands, hell bent on starting or continuing wars with their neighbors. The Pakistani government's Military Intelligence agency is in collusion with the radicals and the President's letter to Obama indicates that "Our entire social, political and economic fabric is in a state of meltdown..." What does he expect. We're trying to kill the same people who are undermining his country and he wants us to stop. You can't have it both ways. We can't and we won't allow Pakistan's nuclear weapons to fall into the hands of the radicals and their friends. The Pakistani government should have spent the money they invested in their nuclear program on their people's needs and educations. Maybe they wouldn't have as many problems. I believe that their fall into the abyss is unstoppable.
What is essentially more worrying is Holbrookes statement that he has arrived in Pakistan to listen and take stock of ground realities. Where has he been living for almost the entire decade? What doesnt he know about Pakistan? Nothing has changed since USA poured billions of dollars to help create Taliban and AlQaeda, nothing has changed since USA left Pakistan to face the consequences alone and add on the sanctions just to make the situation a little more harder to handle. And all this while promoting India and encouraging its BPO economy. Pakistan will eventually rise up and US and India and rest of the world will need to settle Kashmir or hell will break lose. Lets not just keep taking stock of ground realities. Its time to take action, it doesnt take an Einstien to know war needs to stop and killing needs to stop. Not one more life is worth giving to this unending war. Lets just stop all wars, settle outstanding issues like Kshmir and Palestine, empower a UN force to deal with anyone causing terror or grief to innocents. This is the framework and what amount else is needed to listen to or take stock of, enough killinggggggggs for goodness sake.
Pakistan perhaps has suffered the MOST for the US, and its wars and policies. They have the scars and now extreme situation, and teh worst part is, that the people they did it for ( the US ) is even further upset. I agree the fix has to be with the Taliban, the rude elements needs be eradicated, and good ones need be encouraged. Obama can do it, but will the Neo Cons let him?
This Pakistan situation can become worse than the Middle east if not treaded wisely.
Thanks
Please, its the same old tired song. Before it was F-16's and Harpoon Missiles and now it N/V gear and "Technology Tranfer" i.e UCAV's and their electronic suites.

They don't seem to have a problem equipping their troops in Kashmir with chicom N/V equiment now do they?

Every military item we send them will be lined up against India. Whats worse is that they are so piss poor that we have to subsidize it.

In all of their wars with India, they waged it with American made weapons often times superior to India's Soviet/Russian weapons.

To truly understand Pakistan you have see why it continues to gravitate to failure at every chance. The country was created for a home to India's Muslims which basically was declaration that Muslims cannot live at peace with Hindu's w/o ruling them. Then East Pakistan smells the odor and revolts to preserve their Bengali heritage and India liberates them to form Bangladesh. That now means India and Bangladesh have more Muslims than Pakistan which unravels the reason for their Nations founding.

That reality coupled with the fact they've lost all their wars against India and their belief in racial/martial superiority of their people keeps them in a permanent state of paralysis when dealing with their neighbor.

They cannot win by conventional means so Terror will always be their go to option. A stable Afghanistan outside the sphere of their influence is unacceptable to Pakistan and that's the reality Holbrooke has to understand. Taliban will remain a strategic  asset till their Army is defeated or cleansed of Islamists.


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