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In Iran, change they want to believe in

Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:23 PM
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TEHRAN, Iran – The celebrations marking the 30th anniversary of the Iranian Revolution were conducted in traditional fashion – full of chants like "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."

But 30 years on, the reaction among Iranians to the revolution that toppled the U.S.-backed shah and brought hard-line clerics to power is far from monolithic.

Today, many of the people who helped usher in the Islamic revolution are disappointed with its legacy results; meanwhile, many of Iran’s young people don’t define their lives by a revolution that came about before they were born. 

VIDEO: Iran marks 30th anniversary of Islamic Revolution, NBC's Ali Arouzi reports from Tehran

Even President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday that Iran would welcome talks with the United States, if they were based on mutual respect.

Could Iran be in for a new era of change? 

Usual rhetoric
At the large rally in Tehran’s Freedom Square many spewed the usual anti-American rhetoric that has come to characterize relations for the last 30 years.

"I hate America, I hate America and its lies," said Reza, a student attending the rally (like many people we spoke with, he would not give his last name). "We don’t want better relations with America because they are our biggest enemy; this is why we had a revolution. The late imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini, the father of our revolution, did not want ties with America."   

Hamid, another student at the rally, echoed Reza’s comments. "Our revolution has spread across the world to Palestine to South America to Africa. It has given us freedom. If America wants better relations, then they have to make the effort."

Ironically, Hamid was carrying a big poster of Ahmadinejad with the slogan "Yes we can," sprawled across it. Wasn’t that U.S. President Barack Obama’s slogan? I asked.  He responded that Obama had stolen it from Ahmadinejad.

Rasoul, a retired army officer at the rally, also took a hard-line stance towards the United States. "Our revolution has achieved all its goals," he said." If America wants better relations then they have to take the first step. We are not a small nation to be bullied."

But even Ahmadinejad, Iran’s usually firebrand leader, alluded to a new "era of dialogue" in U.S.-Iranian relations in his speech to the crowd gathered for the rally. "The Iranian nation is ready for talks (with the U.S.) but in a fair atmosphere with mutual respect," said Ahmadinejad. They were his most measured remarks toward America since Obama took office.

Image: Students wave Iran's national flag
Raheb Homavandi / Reuters
Students wave Iran's national flag as others hold pictures of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei  and Iran's late leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini during a ceremony to mark the anniversary of Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, in Tehran's Freedom Square on Tuesday.  

Not satisfied
For others, the time has come for a change.

Ebrahim Yazdi, one of the founding fathers of the revolution, said he is disenchanted with the events of the past 30 years. "The authorities are the main players and they don't show any signs of tolerance," he said. "Not only tolerance with us, but [also] tolerance with themselves. I am very much concerned with the future of my country."

Yazdi served as Iran’s first foreign minister after the revolution,, but he resigned from his post in protest on Nov. 6, 1979, two days after the U.S. Embassy was seized. At the time he said that he felt that the embassy takeover was "contrary to the national interests of Iran."

I asked him if he believed the revolution had taken on a different form from what they initially intended. "We wanted an Islamic republic, we did not want a government of the clergies," he said. "They are two different issues."

Yazdi added that the current regime is detrimental to Iran’s young people. With 70 percent of Iran's population under the age of 30, a huge portion of the population wasn’t even born at the time of the revolution.

"The problem with the present system is not only that it is a politically suppressive regime, but also sociologically they are suppressive," said Yazdi, "And who are the victims of this social suppression: the young boys and girls."

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‘What I want today is to be able to enjoy myself’
And despite the size of the crowds in Freedom Square, some of Iran’s young people were up in the mountains north of Tehran taking advantage of the day off and were not exactly celebrating the anniversary of the Islamic revolution.

"I was too young to remember the revolution, but what I want today is to be able to enjoy myself, like you do in America," said Amir, a student.

"Today is a public holiday, I just want to escape from the madness of the city come up to the mountains have a walk and a meal," said Milad, another student.

Others are just hoping for a change. "I don't know if the revolution has achieved all its goals, but what I do know is that I want better prospects," said Javad, a cab driver.

And with presidential elections only four months away, many are hoping change is around the corner.

The question on everybody’s lips is: Will the reformist former President Mohammad Khatami get elected and have another shot at loosening social restriction and bridging gaps with the international community? Or will Ahmadinejad stay in office and keep the country on its current course?

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The leader of Iran is only doing this because elections in Iran is in june and other guy running against him wants diologue with west so this hardliner is only doing this for reason he thrives on conflict. We should wait after elections before talking to iran because the reformist that competeing could win and then we have a real chance.
Whats intresting is that America really dosn't hate Iran. But Iran hates America. Yet they want to have our freedoms. They will never have the freedom we enjoy as long as they hate.
Someone needs to explain this to them.
Hate will never make them free.
We have seen this before.  The nineties proved that Iran was interested in becoming more moderate.  They only elected Ahmadinejad after it became clear that the US could and would invade countries the US declared part of the "axis of evil."

Just stopping the rhetoric of the last administration, should bring about an end to the Ahmadinejad presidency.
I am so sick and tired of seeing these foreign countries saying death to the US.  Wonder why we have so many people that use to live in Iran living here now.  Could it possible be that here is better?  Stop chanting anti US slogans at us.  We are a much better class of people because we are not in our streets shouting horrific things to the people in Iran.  Actually our Gov't doesn't make us do that like I'm sure alot of folks there are made to do.  
You hate America and it's lies?  What a sick joke.  Your President can't even admit that you have gays and lesbians.  He can't admit when you have kidnapped people.  So maybe Americans does not want better relations with you either.  Stay on your side and we'll stay on ours.  
It is the Bush administration's fault that Iran has risen to power because they didn't do research or THINKING about what could happen if they removed Saddam Hussein.  Do the Iranians like us Americans?  Well, that is a mixed bag.  They have been fed so much hate for those that are not their kind of Muslim that it is really hard to tell.  I would hope that they can understand that all people should not have to worry and can live in peace (like Israel whom they have threatened many times recently).  
It really doesn't matter who wins the elections, the clerics control all the realy power in Iran.  This is one of the better blogs done, usually are extremely biased, but this one shows the complexity the Obama Administration must deal with.  On the one, Iranians are evenly divided over its future but a series of negative acts by the U.S. could rile up a nationalistic sentiment which will only hurt American diplomatic efforts.  
Obama has already "unclenched" the American fist that Bush created and now Obama must follow suit.  Iran's statements that the U.S. must sever its ties with Israel is an easy excuse for the Iranian hardliners to continue on their nuclear ambitions while trying to show their people they attempted diplomacy.  In the end, Iran will not give up its nuclear ambitions unless the West, mainly the U.S., force Iran to do so.  This means some type of war or instability in Iran is most likely the outcome of a failed Iranian policy towards the U.S.  Beware Iran, the American people may be wary of war but they know the dangers of allowing a crazed, hypocritical religious regime being in possession of nuclear weapons.
One thing is clear. No measurable success with Iran can be achieved through what they call bully tactics. We must remain firm in a new commitment to dialogue as fringe groups who thrive on intolerance will tirelessly test our resolve. The Iranian people need to perceive a change in attitude from us just as we do from them. If we can do this we will have put the pressure on them to respond in kind. The world will be watching and th Iranians know it. They cannot continue the mindless chants and flag burning in the face of real change without branding themselves hypocrites.
You cannot deal with a madman! Ahmadinejad is such.
He is only buying time for his nuclear ambitions.
God help us when he has the bomb!
Rocky
There's a big difference between chantinG "DEATH TO AMERICA!!!!!" and chanting "death to america, you guys coming over for pizza?"

Right now, I think Iranians are chanting the latter.

A Canadian
The elected leader of Iran has publicly and continuously stated that he wants to wipe an entire race of people from the face of the Earth and eradicate an entire country. It wasn't the US he threatened. But somehow you people twisted this psychopaths hatred of an entire race of people into being Bush's fault. How pathetic can you get? My dog got hit by a car yesterday and I can swear it was Dubya driving!!
The rhetroric of "Death to..." and so on is totally absurd and has no meaning in a civilized world. After all those who say this know well that death and life are ultimately controlled by God and saying such words is like acting God. However folks lets be clear, Iran is a country that has suffered a lot since the late 70's. During the eighties, Saddam Hussain Invaded Iran and fought a proxy war for others (and to some extent himself)  against Iran. The war lasted more than 5 years and resulted in major loss to Iran in terms of lives and financially. Ofcourse Iraq lost also but was soon compensted by its friend at that time. After all this and no compenstaion by either Iraq or its proxies during that war Iran has become sort of like suffering similar to a holocaust and is acting unconciously or counciously to assure their security by all means.
Ther bottom line is that trust has to be established with the Iranian leadership and people to get them out of the hole of feeling insecure. Starting a direct dialog with the Iranian leadership and eventually the people will be a good first step.
Now what would the world do if us hundreds of thousands of Americans went into the streets and shouted "death to Iran, death to Russia".  Fat chance, because we got better things to do than these brain washed Iranians.  Maybe they should realize than nobody here gives a hoot what they think, its like stale bread already.  They should just move on with their sorry ass lives.
Iran was better off with the Shah.
I only believe this will work if the Iranians are serious about diplomacy.  It is ironic that the election is coming up and Khatami is the more moderate of the two candidates.  I expect that Ahmadinejad will make an appearance and at least try the diplomatic route, but I don't feel after reelection that he will follow through.  The Iranians, I don't feel, are evil people.  They are people poisoned by the policies of their radical gov't.  To teach hate to children is awful.  We go through enough of that here in the U.S. The U.S. welcomes all cultures, but we are not welcome everywhere.  We can only help so many people, and the Iranians are no different.  If they can see a new day on the horizon, then we will work with them to achieve a common goal, and that is stability in the Middle East and a working relationship where we can all grow and prosper.  President Obama & Secretary Clinton have a true task on their hands and I will pray that they can resolve the differences between the two regions peacefully and diplomatically.  We have had enough bloodshed in Iraq and Afghanistan.  We do not need more.
I heard that an American riding in a cab in Tehran, heard the cabbie say, "Death to traffic!"

Perhaps the Farsi translation of our saying "Damn Iran!", is "May all of Iran burn in Hell!"

This is a very old country.  It is extreme, but it is not insane.  We should take advantage of electing someone "Who is not Pres. Bush," to start talking with it.  

If we can talk North Korea & Libya down off of the ledge, it would be worth it to offer Iran a face-saving way to use its nukes "for peaceful purposes."
Maybe Obamadinejad already had ties with Iran that CNN failed to mention on that historic night in Denver.
Grendel please they elected an anti-american president for taking out their 2 biggest threats Iraq which they had an 8 year war and Afganistan who they almost fought a war with because 8000 Hazara Siite were killed
We need the Iranian Oil but we have a media that portrays Iran the worst country in the world. Why we don't attack Iran and use the oil from Israel? Since we have to protect Israel in order to exists. The American people don't need Israel for anything. Only the politicians, the media are controlled by Israel with our tax dollars. Iran Never attacked any country never. Can we say the same? Well they support Rezbolah and Hamas, so what? USA have supported Saddam Hussein before and many terrorists groups that massacred innocent people araound the world before Central America South Africa etc. Even nuns were killed withe help of the USA governemnt.I don't want to live in Iran, I know there is no freedom in Iran, but it's up to the Iranians to decide their fate not us.
If the US had ignored the Shah years ago, the Iranians would have hated the US for snubbing them. It seems the muslim nations have {deep hate} in common. Whenever displeased they call for death!  The death of their greatest enemy should made the US an ally of Iran. Instead,  they it just increased their hatred. Katami preached about the sins of the US when he was invited to speak at Columbia University. that does not sound like a man who has put all the hate behind him. It is only posturing to get votes  
it is quite easy to understand their hatred.how would you feel if u were in a pub and all of a sudden someone starts throwing bombs at you .politicians, capitalists alike are playing nintendo games with human lives .the underlying tone in international relations is military might.without it ure a sitting duck to be subdued at anytime .could u.s.a have invaded russia like they did iraq after all the cold war and shit besides i think no nation at all should procure nuclear weapons not just a clique of g8 saying we can have it but no one else too. the greater threat is not a country trying to procure nuclear weapons but one that already has and has used it before remember hiroshima and nigasaki. all countries must thru cosensus destroy all weapons of mass destruction in their possession.thanks.
Who wants diplomatic relations with such a backward, violent country, that brutally executes people for "crimes"  that aren't even crimes in civilized countries.  Most Americans don't give a hoot about Iran, a country that breaks diplomatic rules and attacks other countries embassies.  

There are many other countries that sell oil.
"DEATH TO SATAN AMERICA!" The very fact that I, and my family of non-believers is alive and doing well seems to be a graven insult to thier prophet. I am certainly glad that the American constitution protects its citizenry from such official obligatory delusion.
They are all untermunchen and should be expelled
>>Beware Iran, the American people may be wary of war but they know the dangers of allowing a crazed, hypocritical religious regime being in possession of nuclear weapons.<<

If that were true, they would never have elected George Bush.
Why bother talking to them. Islam preaches that you do not have to keep faith with an infidel (anyone but them) and you can lie to them at will for advantage. So with a people and a religion that says its Godly to lie if it suits your purpose, how can you ever trust anything they say. This has been proven time and gain by constant  dangling of possible moderate trends, only to be removed when they have what they want or gotten the pressure off them for a few weeks.

There are no moderates in Islam, they are all extremists.  It does not good to try and open a dialogue with people who believe you have no right to exist.

Save your breath, save your money, close down our embassy and never talk to them again.
america has been talking about attacking iran for a while strategically america has encircled iran by occupying iraq and afganistan later on in the future israel and america will attack iran. Israel wants a war with iran. Americans are the most misinformed people in the world. It may be a terrorist attack or any other scenerio that triggers, but when america attacks iran the american economy will fall, russia will back iran, and all the other nations that have been oppressed by american foriegn policy and the cia which is an american terrorist organization operating under the word freedom which america is nothing but a corporations answering to the elite banking families of the world. citizens i advice u to prepare for the downfall of this country because once talks go sour with iran than comes war.
The retohric that we hear in the main stream media that "They hate the US" is very misrepresentative of the Iranian people and its goverment. The Iranians have a problem with the forign policy of the the U.S and NOT its people (I suggest you youtube Ahmadinajad interviews with U.S media or visit his blog for that matter).

With the Obama administration (which Ahmadinajad congratulated the U.S on) we are hoping for more stability. The problem was with the previous administration, not Ahmadinajad.
Just my 2 cents to those who like to label "evil" as they please.
Lets not forget that the U.S (and here we mean the administrations and NOT the people) for decades have supported a monarchy dictatorship (the US-led Shah) and they are celibrating their freedom from outside intervention.
Obama- is playing the Iranians, "just right". Don't even reply to there nonsense. It only gives them more press and the enegery that generates, whenever their is a preceived foe.

As he said, "we want to help, not hurt- but if you keeping going down a stupid path, we will have to reluctanly, use sanctions and vast military alternatives".

Such a refreshing change. Bush and Chenney were (and still are) defending their immoral (lying to invade Iraq)actions, now Iran must defend their evil ways.

Well done MR Obama, Bravo!!
Iran is just one more example of "blowback". Iran and the United States were once as close (perhaps closer) than Isreal and the US are now. One day however, the Iranian people elected (they were a democracy then) a government too far to the left for America's taste. The US responded by destroying the democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship with all the terror and secret police stuff that comes with it. Naturally, the Iranians (like the Americans during their revolution) would not stand for it. However, they made a huge mistake during their revolution and allowed the religious fanatics to take over. Thus, the Iranians have good reasons not to like or trust the US, but now when most Iranians would like to improve relations and their society, they are stuck with a backward religious based government that prevents this from happening. If the US had just followed the advice of its Founding Fathers and not interfered in the first place - this whole mess would not even exist. Read the US Constitution and writings of the Founding Fathers. Isolationism, a gold backed currency, this is what needs to happen for the US to return to being both the economic engine and beacon of democracy it once was and should be. Clearly, the US today is on the wrong path and the demons it faces both internally and internationally are often of its own making.
Iran is welcomed to call off their Jihad, but they currently believe that the Fatwa issued to annihilate all Saturday and Sunday worshippers, governing their countries and in time, all countries, by The Koran, and establishing rule does not fit into the freedoms our nation was founded on.

Don't be deceived.
The next three years are going to be amazing. Israel has to stop Iran from going nuclear. They have to do it while the US still has its military "over there".
The world's economy is in a tailspin, except of course for the wealthy. The entitlments built into the American laws, the housing and pampering of criminasl,the high cost of medical and legal expenses are approaching the point of being more than the working public can bear.
The US national debt is reaching the point to where recover will become impossible. Thus soon life as usual will not be an option.
Look for taxpayer rebellions in America, worldwide poverty when American stop buying, the Euro replacing the dollar, nuclear explosions and criminal factions overwhelming law enforcement; as it is close to doing now in Columbia and Mexico.
Most of the world which has been pulled up by America will stand by and applaud as we sink.
Yes, there are solutions but America doesn't have the national backbone or the political will. Still, this USA is the land of hope. Let's hope to God there is enough mercy left in His heart for US that He doesn't just stand by and watch as we are dragged under by our own ignorance.
Which God? There is only one, God the creator and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Iran uses terrorism as a means to achieve it's goals and then their President has the gumption to tell Obama that Iran wants a 'fundamental, not tactical' change in their relationship. If Iran gets the dialogue it wants then the message is that terrorism pays.
 As long as they have government and religon together, they will never be happy. Also, it helps that this country elected someone under the age of 100.Maybe they should look to get rid of their dinosaurs also.
Having a picnic with the family, outings too no place special...just enjoying the day out, music, walking alone, expressing faith, seeing that special someone. We all know "freedom" is a very powerful, thought changing word! However, it means nothing if an individual cannot evoke the very essence it stands for.
It makes little difference that the vast majority of Iranians are nice people. The psychopaths that rule with an iron fist are well armed and more than willing to kill any and all opposition. The mullahs who oppress the Iranian people desire also to oppress the rest of the world. These despots have proven long range missile delivery systems and, by most accounts, will soon possess nuclear weapons. There is an urgent need for regime change in Iran, for the well being of the rest of the world, as well as the Iranian people.
The kids in Iran are made to repeat the slogan, “death to America” but
overwhelming  majority  of them either leave the “ America” out or say “khamenehei”!  in Tehran with over 10 million population it’s getting impossible  for hardliners to organize rallies without the use of  “Basij”(like the national guard)  dressed as civilian!

I'm not sure the propaganda in the US is infinite but I'm not sure Dr Ahmadinajad has said to wipe a race of people off the planet. Merely the forcibly created state that was put on someone else laand by the US, Russia, UK and france. It should have be put in say american give them south carolina or something. This is the root of the tension in the middle east. If you read about the region you know there is more to it that you think. When the US espouses "freedom" its just another way of saying you ahve to be like us. Many countrys have freedoms and democracy but the us labels their republic system as "democracy and freedom" so they can make others be like them. Other may not want that. its like you want to eat with a fork and someone else chopsticks. Both get the job done, NONE is better that the other. Except the US keeps driving that their FORK is better. That send of elitism is what is wrong with the US. They need to respect other first.
I am Muslim and it's obvious to me that Ahmadinejad and the hardliners over there are backwards and delusional hypocrites and dangerous to the whole world.  However the absolute ignorance and hate coming from some of the comments here is embarassing as an American.  How many of you even personally know a Muslim?  Your provinciality is glaringly obvious and embarrassing.  Having said that, I found it very funny and hypocritical at how angry Khatami (the nice moderate running in the upcoming election) and other Iranians got when our idiotic former president Bush called Iran part of the "axis of evil" when Iran had been chanting "Death to America" for 30 years.  Do they hold us to a higher standard of behavior than they themselves practice?  Personally I think we SHOULD hold ourselves to a higher standard, but if they expect that, then where is the "MUTUAL respect" they want so badly?  How can anyone respect someone they look down on as not being capable of demonstrating the same level of respect to those they want respect from?  
  An added note:  The hateful and ignorant Americans here honestly should read about what the CIA did to the democratically elected government of Iran in the fifties.  The Shah was no picnic either.  It's just sad the Iranian government has trapped its own people in such a horrible state.        
-An American Muslim
As an American who lived in Iran, and if you watch Rick Steves you will know that the vast majority of iranians do not hate the US. They actually idolize us. There are a small group of people, mostly uneducated and underpriviledged, who join those demonstrations, and are NOT reflective of the bulk of that society. Iranians LOVE Americans... they dress like us, want to eat like us (hence Magdonalds and Starbox!) and want to BE us.
if they don't want contact w/America, then give them what they want.
the story makes it sound like there are hardliners, then there are the regular people who want the freedoms that America has.
Can't we all just get along? If we get rid of government guess what will happen, gee no more hostility between nations. Suprise Suprise. Lets move Israel to Mexico since all of the mexicans are moving to the U.S. for all the freebies that our moron government is giving them. By the way, it is great to be a white male american. I can be racist to every other race, BUT no other race can be racist to me. Guess that means that the world looks upon the white male of America as the supreme race and gender. love it .........Have a nice day  WORLD...
I wonder how Americans would feel about Iran, if the Iranian government overthrow its democratic government, and replaced it with a dictator (1951 CIA Codetta), armed Mexico with chemical weapons and military help to invade America (Iraq invasion of Iran 1982)...placed an economic sanction on it for over 30 years, invaded its neighbors by force, and undermined its infrastructural development for over 30 years....now if Iran did that to Americans how would each person with the comments stated above feel...Ask your selves honestly? Democracy here and oppression there doesn’t work…

I wonder how Americans would feel about Iran, if the Iranian government overthrew America’s democratic government, and replaced it with a dictator (1951 CIA Codetta), armed Mexico with chemical weapons and military help to invade America (Iraq invasion of Iran 1982)...placed an economic sanction on the US for over 30 years, invaded Canada and Mexico by murder and force, undermined its infrastructural development for over 30 years....now if Iran did that to Americans how would each person with the comments stated above feel...Ask your selves honestly? Democracy here and oppression there doesnt work...
One thing to remember:
The President of Iran has negligible power within his own nation.  The Ayatollahs are the real power.  Ahmadinejad is a loud Yorkshire terrier on a short leash.

PATH TO MIDDLE EAST PEACE - THROUGH IRAN

A strategy for repairing U.S. – Iran relations.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/02/iran-solution-to-middle-east.html

This will reduce strife in Iraq and in Palestine.

Nice reporting but there is another reasons that people go to rally, here I have gathered some of them and trust me that's come from poverty to get some free food, sell some stuff and get some free presents.
here is the address and see for yourself

http://www.rottengods.com/2009/02/why-some-people-rally-during-30th.html
Why should a country that uses Terrorism (the killing of civilians as well) be allowed to possess nuclear weapons?
We have General Schwarzkopf's father and the CIA to thank for placing the Shah in power in 1953! The CIA and Schwarzkopf then trained the Shah's murderous secret police the Stravak  to kill , tortue, imprison Iranians. All of this was done to gain control of Iran's oil. How expensive, the price our greed has become. Our leaders greed have created the mess we're in. No wonder countries like Iran hate America and the West. People read your history books!!!
a watchful eye should be kept on iran, nothing more or less  they hate us because  we live in a contrie that promotes prosperity and  wellbeing it must be hard for them to comprehend this.... i personally think they will never understand...  not with all the hate and such in their hearts-  thank's to our troops without them this great country would be nothing   god bless and seek safety!!!  endever to persivere.  


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