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Pakistanis outraged over continued drone attacks

Posted: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:39 PM
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By NBC News’ Carol Grisanti and Mushtaq Yusufzai

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – The message from Washington to Pakistan was clear: there is no change in U.S. policy when it comes to going after al-Qaida and Taliban targets in Pakistan’s lawless border areas. After all, Barack Obama warned during his presidential campaign that America must go after terrorist targets if Pakistan did not act first.

It should not have been a surprise, then, to Pakistanis when on Friday night, five missiles from remotely piloted Predator drones struck targets in the lawless tribal areas of North and South Waziristan – but it was. 

The twin attacks killed 22 people, including some foreign militants, but also many civilians.

Image: Pakistani Islamist party Jamat-e-Islami protests
Athar Hussain / Reuters
Supporters of the Pakistani Islamist party Jamat-e-Islami protest U.S. drone attacks in Karachi on Sunday. 

Who’s in charge?
The Pakistan government quickly voiced its outrage. "These attacks can affect Pakistan’s cooperation in the war on terror," Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari told U.S. Ambassador Anne Patterson the following day.

The foreign ministry followed up with a terse statement expressing "the sincere hope that the United States will review its policy." And Pakistan’s Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani – already on record promising the country there would be no more drone attacks once Obama became president – was embarrassed

Adding to the government’s problems, many Pakistanis no longer believe their government is being honest when protesting the attacks. 

"The people know that there is a tacit understanding between the government and the U.S. regarding the drone attacks," argued author and political commentator Zahid Hussain.

"This is not only fuelling outrage among the people, but is isolating the Pakistani army from the tribes people in those areas. And that affects Pakistan’s own authority to contain militancy," explained Hussain. 

The anger now threatens to undermine the authority of the fledgling civilian government in Islamabad, which after one year in office, is still struggling to take control of rising militancy in the country.

Civilian victims
Western security analysts argue that the attacks are necessary because the border areas are lawless and under the control of Taliban and al-Qaida militants – not the Pakistani government.

But many locals argue that innocent civilians are the main victims of the attacks. In North Waziristan, the drone strikes are leading to mental disorders, especially among women and children, according to Dr. Munir Ahmad, a 50-year-old psychiatrist in Miranshah, a city on the border with Afghanistan that is North Waziristan’s main population center.

 "The situation among the people is alarming," he said. "The women and children are so frightened from hours of drones circling overhead and then the thunderous noise of the missile attacks that now even a door slamming frightens them to uncontrollable tears," he said.

Ahmad, who specializes in treating the effects of violence, told us that two years ago he used to treat about 10 patients a day for different mental disorders – he said he now sees around 160 patients a day suffering from uncontrollable fear and rage. "I am especially worried about long-term affects on the children," he said.

Mohammed Yaqoob, a grammar school teacher in Miranshah, blames the Pakistani government for failing to protect people from the drone attacks.

"The children are so afraid that they can’t concentrate on their lessons," Yaqoob told us. "They just sit in the classroom and look towards the sky watching the three or four drones that continuously hover over the town," he said.  Yaqoob said that over 30 high schools have closed in North Waziristan because parents have pulled their kids out of school and sent them to live with relatives in safer cities.

Image: damages of a house hit by a suspected U.S. missile
Hasbunallah Khan / AP
Pakistani tribesmen indicate damages in a house hit by a suspected U.S. missile strike in Zharki village, near Miranshah, Pakistan.

Stepping up attacks
There have been 38 drone attacks in Pakistan since August – mostly in North and South Waziristan – more than three times as many as during the previous year. The drones usually fly at low altitudes in the evenings and strike at night when people are asleep.

U.S. officials point to the success of such attacks in killing many senior al-Qaida leaders, including Khalid Habib, the group’s deputy chief of operations, and Rashid Rauf, the alleged mastermind of a 2006 plot to blow up airliners. 

And last week, in a sign of the growing cooperation between the United States and the Pakistani government over the drone attacks, Pakistani security forces captured Zabi-ul Taifi, a Saudi militant with a $5 million bounty on his head, in a sting operation in the Khyber tribal area.

Pakistani intelligence sources said a pilotless drone circled over the house where Taifi was holed up, while CIA agents sat in a car parked outside and watched as Pakistanis agents stormed inside. Taifi is the first senior al-Qaida figure to be captured rather than killed in a long time.

"The tribespeople are sandwiched between the all-powerful militants and the U.S. drones," said Haji Niamatullah Dawar, a resident of Mirali, North Waziristan – a 45 minute drive from the capital of Miranshah. "We have no choice now but to leave our homes and shift closer to peaceful cities like Lahore and Islamabad," he said.

Spawning more militants
Mohammed Wali, a farmer in Mirali, said that the drone attacks are causing some to join the militants.

"My neighbor was so furious when a drone killed his mother, two sisters and his 7-year-old brother last September that he filled his car with explosives and rammed it into a Pakistani army convoy," he said. "He had to avenge the death of his loved ones," Wali added. Twelve people, including ten Pakistani soldiers were killed.

"After disappointment, the next stage is aggression and then violence," said Ahmad, who believes that 90 percent of the tribes people in North Waziristan are suffering from some kind of mental illness due to the violence in the region. "I don’t have the capability to see so many patients who are mentally disturbed," he said. "And they can’t afford to be without help as they wait and wait for me to finally see them."

As thousands attended the funerals for the people killed in Friday’s drone attacks, tribal elders said that their great hopes that Obama would stop the attacks have been dashed.

"We are very disappointed now," said Malik Taj Mohammed, a chief in South Waziristan. "Why doesn’t President Obama understand that the problems we face are poverty and lack of development in our lands and spend his money trying to help us rather than kill us," he said.

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I quess because his name is Obama they would get special consideration?  He does not walk on water and cannot perform miracles.  Why don't these "chieftons" put the blame exactly where it belongs...on the people who started it many many years ago..the Taliban & al-Quidia.  I feel sorry for the innocent, but in every war there has ever been, the innocent has died beside the quilty.  Such is the fight between good and evil.  There is no middle ground for anyone.  Reality!!
What's this?? Obama followed up on a Bush policy? What happened to diplomacy and as Pakistan’s Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani said "Once Obama's President there will be no more drone attacks" Hmm Looks like the first week in office was a bit rough. Maybe, just maybe Mr Bush was really looking out for us and words bought him nothing when it came to Paskistan. Now will our new President press on and force the terrorist rats out of their hole (Wait? wasn't that a Bush policy?) Or will words come forth to quell the issue. Score Former Bush Policies 1, President Obama Change for America 0
Everything about the drone war is positive. Specified targets are removed with little or no risk to U.S. personnel. The barriers created by pakistani doubletalk are broken, in fact, the relationship is improving between the two militaries. A little drone honesty does wonders.
 The civilians are targeted, too. These are the families of militia leaders who will populate the next generation of resentment and unjustifiable death and destruction upon their neighbors, and the wives who send them out to steal for the family and uphold the culture. We've forgotten to eliminate them in past wars, and they have come back to haunt us wherein mothers grow their children to be equipped as suicide bombers to righteously secure their own financial circumstances.
 The drones also represent tangible proof that the taliban and criminality are temporary. Those who suffer the mental duress may have something to fear from these drones, because the drones take no mistaken targets; and all others know they have nothing to fear... from the drones, anyway. But only each militant family member, and their doctor, truly knows for sure. All power to the drones!
No country would tolerate this intrusion in their territory. Obama's doing this for sheer political gain - to look tough. It will have more negative than positive impact. He better take another look at this. You can't just make war on the Afghan and Pakistani peoples. No matter how much money he gives their governments, this will come back to haunt him!
Why does't Malik Taj Mohammed see that his people had been given aide through Osama who then turned against the people trying to help.
It would do well for the tribals to direct their anger at the Talibans and terrorists hiding among them. Otherwise they deserve what they are getting. The world has lost patience with Islamic terror and those who harbour them.
    Pakastain government will not go after terrorist,hoping the terrorist will not bomb or kill the people in pakastian-what a joke-it gives more power to the terrorist and the governemt is scared of the terrorist,I think we should sned our heavy bombers and carpet bomb were the terrorist live-do it around the clock for 30 days and then see what happens.
their wiil be no pease with the terrorists as long as they hate us more than they love their chldren
As a Pakistani and hailing from the troubled Swat region, we the people of Swat welcome the US to send their drones into our area and bomb out the thugs. The Pak Amy in all its glorious impotence against the talibaan have done nothing. For almost 3 years the army has done nothing to curb the activities of the talibaan, things have gone from bad to worse...... The people you see shouting against the strikes are not living under the talibaan and are shouting under the orders of politicians... just pay them off and they will become quite. Loyalty does not cost a lot in my part of the world.....
I find this very disturbing.  I understand the need to find al-Quaida militants, but there has to be consideration for civilians who are the innocent bystanders getting harmed for nothing more than the area they live.  It is appaling to have women and children suffering post traumatic stress syndrome from experiencing the US drone planes.
I see no one is posting comments on this story. Could it be because they are bashing the savior Obama? I wonder the flood of comments if it were Bush?
Its very true that no country has the write to challenge the soverinity of any other state. The change of Obama is not seen in his actions.Pakistan role in the war against terrorism is very clear but the help  to carry on this fight is coming from no where.I believe that if Obama admistration provide the resources to the armed forces Of Pakistan and let it play the lead role to clean the area will bring the two nations closer and will give the feeling to the ordinary Pakistani the United States is actually helping them to eradicate extremism from their country and wish to see Pakistan a modern and progressive state.We should remember that every innocent who becomes a victim of these attacks will bring more challeng,hatered and enimity to USA
Perhaps all the mental illness being discussed is due to the Taliban and Al-Qaida in the area chopping off the heads of anyone who dares disobey them.  This would cause me mental problems if I was unfortunate enough to have to live there.  
Come on all you deep thinking Obama cool-aid drinkers, you would have jumped all over Bush for this; where's your outrage now??

Looks like we're in for 4 more years of Bush's policies. Should have voted for McCain; the real candidate for change.


If Pakistan would cooperate with us and treat the al-qaida and Taliban terrorist problem as an international one, we would get the upper hand, defeat them and bring stability and peace to the region. The game Pakistan is playing will turn out to be a very dangerous one for them and the entire area.
Out with one war criminal American administration in with the new one. But it looks like most the posters here have been sufficiently indoctrinated with the "we are right everybody else is wrong" propaganda imbued into thee since they childhood.

Oh well, we need a real world war to get the economy going anyway . . .
I am outraged by Jamat-E-Islami and friends. I am outraged that they force their religious views and lifestyle on others at gunpoint. I am outraged at the indiscriminate terrorism they support and use on unsuspecting, defenseless people. I am outraged that they want to enslave the world in the name of their God, taking away freedom of choice in all aspects of life from dress to literature. I am outraged that they encourage and pay others to make themselves human weapons. I am outraged that they have chosen the path of war and assination to obtain their goals, instead of a path of peaceful debate. I am outraged that though they have chosen the path of war, they are outraged when that war which they have created comes back to them. There are times when we are just forced into a fight. So, Jamat-E-Islami and friends, if you want peace to come to you, then practice peace. If you want fight, then we'll fight. But please try not to be crying, whimpering cowards after you've lost.
Did anyone honestly believe that once Obama took office, he would issue an executive order stopping everything bad at once?  Look at the guff he's taking just for trying to outlaw torture!  These things take time. Obama supporters, take heart - he's on the job; it's not all going to happen over night.  Detractors, the fact that Change didn't happen instantaneously doesn't prove that Obama's a fraud...though I know you'll continue to cling to every negative in hopes that it will.  Let's all be realistic.  Wow.
There is a need to find another way to accomplish missions without killing civilians.  Special under cover forces of snipers should be used for more precise targeting.
With all due respects to the peoples of Pakistan which would they rather have - the death of the cowards and murderers of al-Qaida and their Taliban puppets who hide within their borders and oh so willing to sacrifice them and their solders - or, to accept the fact those who harbor the evil amounght them deserve the same fate of those they protect, bearing in mind that when the threats posed by the anarchist of Islam subside - the US will have no need to breach their borders.
Average Americans don't understand what it means to walk in a dirt street without shoes, let alone losing family members in spontaneous bomb attacks undertaken by a government that is not responsible for your life.
Ok um who cares if a few bystanders get killed it beats the hundreds or even thousands tht may be killed by tht terrorist tht got away cause we dident want to nip a few bystanders.
You really believe that Obama is somehow at fault here?  When he was campaigning he said that he would attack inside Pakistan's borders if he had actionable intelligence and the Pak government failed to do something about it.  This is no surprise nor do I think it's wrong.  If they won't secure their border to prevent attacks into Afghanistan, then he will.
to dirojay swathay,you indian bastard,i wish you and your family were really right there under the drone right now.You bastards have no idea or right to talk on behalf of people you never knew.

I live in swat and see that horror with my very own eyes everyday.AS much i can say on behalf of my people,we can be best of friends or worst of enemies.There is no need for drones or rockets when you can win our hearts with small gestures of kindness and justice.
Go get them Obama. You're the man to stop these terrorists before they take complete control of Pakistan.If the Pakinstan Government can't stop them OBAMA CAN!
As a born Pakistani, I welcome this rooting out of evil. For many who have never seen the barbaric rule, and how they deal with women and children, and how they enforce there so called islamic rules, you should go there and see it to believe it.
The comments on this page really sadden me. Who cares about the bystanders? The civilians? The innocent?

You all should. Every one of you.

How misplaced and immoral are you that you would value one life over another? Because a person was born in Pakistan and not in the United States, they are somehow less human? What kind of thought actually goes in to a comment like that?

You're basically displaying the exact same bigoted and close minded behavior of the terrorists that we're there to flush out. How dare you not care if a child lays dying? An innocent, bleeding and broken, and his only crime was to be born halfway across a hateful world.

I'm disgusted.
SFC Frazer talks about being outraged with the mightiest weaponry in the world, a 100 times over, backing him up; well, at least you are murdering over there, and not here.
So it is horrable when we kill people who kill civilions and it's ok for them to kill us and run across a border where we can't get them because the government refuses to help makes excuses as to why thay can't get them,you who have not shed blood on this battlefront will never understand as to why it is so important that we win this fight,If we lose we lose it all,freedom is not free it is paved with the blood of Marines,Solgers,Sailers and Airman.You who clamer so much about civilions that are killed need to look at how many civilions are killed by them and how thay are killed.how thay keep their own people suppressed and in poverty,starving and without hope.
I am outraged by Jamat-E-Islami and friends. I am outraged that they force their religious views and lifestyle on others at gunpoint.

And you don't think this is what The US is doing...invading country after country to install a "DEMOCRATIC CHRISTIAN GOVERNMENT" ?????
We know of many organized criminals in New York City who have killed more Americans than most of the Taliban. Maybe we should use drone missiles to take them out. Of course there'd be minor civilian casualties from a missile strike in Times Square but that's the cost of ridding our country of these terrorists. If you don't care about Pakistani civilian deaths you shouldn't care about American civilian deaths.
I find this very disturbing.  I understand the need to find al-Quaida militants, but there has to be consideration for civilians who are the innocent bystanders getting harmed for nothing more than the area they live.  It is appaling to have women and children suffering post traumatic stress syndrome from experiencing the US drone planes. LHS, Northern California

How many people in new york have ptss due to the 9/11 bombings?  What about what we have lost because people in certain regions of this world harbour the people that terrorize The US and their own country?  Do you think that the persons being hunted give a whoop about the people around them?  NO!!   They try to surround themselves with as many civilians as possible that way they can stand up and say "look at what those infadels the Americans did."  Vietnam saw the same thing, putting bombs in babies diapers, hiding in small villages.  People need to get a grip on reality before they go spewing their pacifist rantings.  Usually the ones against the war and our troops are the misinformed, ignorant bunch that are spoon fed what the media or their own political and social parties and acquaintances have drilled into their heads.  Their rantings have no merit, nor do they make any sense.  
well i guess the mental problems lie with american government, their policy makers and people who thing what is being done is right.. their sense of democracy for the whole world and acting as police for the same has rather dire consequences. It is high time that american government start to change its policies and rather than wasting their resources in making enemies for themselves whole round the world, use for the betterment of their economic crisis. Its been 7 and a half years of this madness and this so called war has killed more than 100 times of innocents than those who died of actual terrorism.
It's simple... the Pakistani's need to have the guts to point out Taliban members.  Just as we (US)had the guts to establish an independent and free country many years ago. Many will die, but will also gain hope for their children and their children's children. Until they do, the US will continue to employ methods necessary to at least keep the Taliban from getting the upper hand.  Unfortunately, I think people from Pakistan, the US and most other countries have forgotten how hard it is to gain freedom, having never experienced what it takes to protect rights.  It's certainly not by being "nice" to your enemies/terrorists. Diplomacy will only work after the people of Pakistan yake a stand- if they won't, quit griping about the bombings.
well i nevery voted for Obama.but be that as it may he does hold the title of commander and chief, and as ex-military i have no choice but to support him in military actions, as i would with any dually electected president. but can not support his decission to kill untold unborn babies.at lest they not wearing suicide belts or plantingt road side bombs or inforcing their extreme beliefs of right to life on anyone
I guess it's OK to kill civilians now.
Where are the men of integrity, of vision - men like the founding fathers???
Benjamin Franklin once, "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither".
I'm disgusted that, we as Americans, would be so quick to violate the basic human rights of the innocent that are being murdered.
This is our answer to Terrorism - to kill indiscriminantly by lobbing in missiles from drones? Where's the honor in that?  If this is the only solution we can come up with, then maybe the terrorists have won already.
Obama has been "doing" this because he said during the campaign, that he would "focus on" the tribal regions of Afghanistan, to remove Al Quaeda and the Taliban, from there. This is why this is happening also the bush administration did some as well. The diplomacy in the area should include, negotiations with the people there and letting them know that Al queada is our enemy and that is who we are after. Also every effort should be made to remove civilians from the area while heavy attacks are happening. Pakistan should cooperate with this because they are now in danger of being taken over by the Taliban. Taliban have taken over a central valley there. All of the simple minded answers to this article show that many of us pay very little attention to what is happening. Read the papers NYTimes and Washington Post. Newsweek is a rag.
I see we still have some sour grapes out there.  These Bush supporters will never admit he screwed up by making that hard left into Iraq to avenge his Daddy instead of doing what Barack is doing, going after the creators of 911 without some kind of profit motive tied to it like Bush and Cheney.  I wonder how much their blind trusts made during their presidency let alone the kick backs.
Send in the marines.

LCPL Poske
Perhaps all the mental illness being discussed is due to the Taliban and Al-Qaida, islam and kranic teachings in the area and in the whole world for 1400 years, islam is a was base religions for cruel schizophrenics, chopping off the heads of anyone who dares disobey them.  This would cause me mental problems if I was unfortunate enough to have to live there.  
HAHA

Where is all the demands for justice now that Obama is in charge?
Well, we must accept that America is the big Dog! It'll keep on biting the little ones. You cannot change its nature.
I think we should just wall up america and let the damn people fend for themselves instead of trying to be the policemen of the world. Let these so called complainers live alone and then kill one another off.
If Pakistan would clear the tribal lands of militants themselves we would not have to go into their land and do this. When we take out high value hardcore militants we are not only helping ourselves but also the Pakistani people by removing these criminals. Civilians get caught up in the middle, like always, and that is unfortunate.

Maybe this will make them consider tipping off the Pakistani military that there are indeed terrorists living next door..
I guess Mr.Atti would rather live under the terrorist rule than the way they use to a few years ago.For Swat Valley was a vacation destination for many,many Pakinstanian famillies.It makes me wounder???Are you one of the BULLIES
I see the point in having to go after the terrorists hiding in Pakistan,but the reality is,the two choices,leaving them be,or attacking inside Pakistan are both bad choices. If we leave the terrorists be,of course they plot and plan and carry out attacks. If we attack them in Pakistan,then we create even MORE terrorists. The families of those dead civilians will hate us FOREVER. Nothing anyone can do will ever change the anger that someone whose brother or sister or son or daughter was killed by an American missile will harbor toward us. (even if they ARE terrorists,their relatives wont really see it that way)
A certain number of those people will become terrorists themselves. We therefore must (or at least should) tread carefully. We should try to make sure that the value of the terrorists we kill are greater than the expected value of the terrorists we create. Ideally we would find a third solution but that may not be possible.
All I say is get the hell out of there and let them kill each other...why should we have innocent peoples blood on our hands.  To those who complain about their government then elect a government that will take care of you.  Since when has it become our responsibility to right the wrongs those people commit against each other.  We can't even right the wrongs done against our own people.  Do I want to continue spending millions of American dollars to produce drones?  To kill a few Pakistanis?  Why not pack our bags and let them kill each other!  Take the money and feed our children, educate our children.  Here are in a recession, many people no jobs, we are told it will get much worse and we are spending money for drones to kill people, even women and children, in that god forsaken land!  I can see why we are in a recession and financial collapse.  This is idiotic!  Is time for the American people to say ENOUGH is enough! Killing people in war has never solved anything but produced hate and resentment.
While it is unfortunate that some "innocents" are hurt by predator drone attacks, the bottom line is that government forces are doing little to back up tough talk on anti-terrorism activities in their country. Pakistanis living in areas where the Taliban and Al Quaida roam freely, are also caught between a rock and a hard place.  Between Tribal customs of sanctuary and family relations, many terrorists are hiding within the local populous, much like the VietCong and North Koreans, during those respective conflicts.  In the end run, the people, themselves, have to refuse to aid or harbor the terrorists.  Since the Pakistani police or military has done little to curb terrorism and the U.S. Military is overextended in Iraq and Afghanistan, sending in "Predator" pilotless reconnaiscance and attack drones, makes sense, with a minimal violation of Pakistan's sovereignty.  Instead of voicing outrage, the Pakistani government needs to take a more active role in counter- and anti-terrorism, instead of rattling it's military at India.  Hmmm! Seems they just don't get it. Interesting that some Pakistanis feel that everything can be fixed with U.S. money, rather than their own positive action.
OK I have had enough of all the Bush apologists here. What is the difference? Obama isnt continuing Bush's policy. He said in all the debates he knew we had to keep going in the fight on terror. What he promised to do is stop most of the inhumane policys of president Bush. I.E. torture and waterboarding. Gitmo, which has produced nothing, and most of all the use of fear as a way of mind control over this country. Now Lets look at Bushs 8 years. Sept 11,2001...does nothing. Huricane Katrina...does nothing the Iraq war, the invasion of afghanistan, the numerous cover ups of military misdeeds...The economy in possibly the worst shape in 80 or so years. His wire taping and taking away certain freedoms to "protect" us. The ridiculous color coding scale...all just another way to control us. Moving on to other areas. Our education system is worse than it ever has been and his stance on global warming? Just ignore all the facts? Maybe Obama should get more than a week before the republican spin machine jumps all over him...Just remember the country was in your control the past 2,900 days. Maybe you should hope this "savior" can fix the mess and have history look back a little less harshly on this idiot bush
It should not be the responsibility of the United States to kill Pakistani "civilians" in the war against extremism.  It should be the responsibility of the Pakistani government to protect its own "civilians" against such threats.  If they decided to do so, indeed many "civilians" would die in the process. Undoubtedly, the people would then be forced to blame their own government instead of the United States for the deaths of "civilians".

I am sorry that people die that are not directly involved in this conflict.  However great the success of each mission, all that will be remembered is the vile causation of "civilian" casualties.

Inaction is the greatest form of terrorism.


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