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In China, 'Obama represents American spirit'

Posted: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:36 AM
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In America, expectations may be high that, once President-elect Barack Obama is inaugurated, change will come. But in China hopes are for the status quo.

This month, China has been celebrating 30 years of restored diplomatic relations with the United States. Amidst a series of high-profile events featuring visiting American political luminaries such as Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Chinese media have waxed rhapsodic about bilateral ties.

And the trot down memory lane has taken an extra tinge of nostalgia as the Chinese government watches Obama take over the American presidency.

Image: Chinese shoppers
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Chinese are more focused on shopping for the upcoming Lunar New Year than on Obama's inauguration. 

Longing for the status quo
"Good private relations between the two top leaders have endlessly injected a vigor into bilateral ties," said the China Daily, a state-run newspaper, which noted that during his two terms President George W. Bush met Chinese President Hu Jintao 19 times. "The establishment of these viable communication mechanisms during Bush's tenure has helped reduce differences and enhance mutual trust between the two countries and push forward a healthy relationship."

Chinese officials express confidence that Sino-American relations will carry on as before. "China expected the new U.S. administration to show enough strategic vision and political wisdom, inherit and work from the good China legacies left by the earlier administrations," Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei said at a two-day seminar reviewing past ties.

Some Americans agree. "My assumption [is] that we will have a continuation of what has essentially been a continuous U.S. policy since…the Jimmy Carter era toward China, but we haven't actually heard that from the president," said James Fallows, former Carter speechwriter and now national correspondent for the Atlantic magazine, at a panel discussion of U.S.-China relations last week.

But questions remain about whether Obama and his administration will be able to maintain goodwill in the face of a massive trade imbalance in challenging economic times. In fact, a word that has resurfaced in public discussions about the global economic crisis is "protectionism."

U.S. businesses have taken the lead here to reassure the Chinese.

"I caution the Chinese leadership not to react to every comment by every government official or every story in every newspapers or every pronouncement by a union official or by whom it might be, look at not what people say but what they do," said Thomas Donohue, President and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, who was also in town recently for the 30th year anniversary.

Especially comments made during a presidential election campaign. Those here who followed the U.S. election closely will remember that in late 2007 Obama proposed banning all toys made in China after a series of consumer safety scares. But Donohue was quick to dismiss those remarks, "We all hope they don't remember what was said over a two-year campaign."

Image: Chinese shoppers
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Chinese shoppers hope the global economic climate will improve once Obama is in office.

High hopes for Obama in China, too
Away from the realm of economics, there seems to be little interest in how Obama will fare. In the downtown shopping drag of Wangfujing, most people were more interested in last-minute shopping for gifts to bring back home for the new year holiday next weekend than in talking about the inauguration or the new American president.

Although no one said they planned to watch the ceremony, many said it was an historic event for Americans. "[Obama] represents American spirit, because he is a black man and America is a place that represents equal opportunity," said one shopper. "He gives everyone a new sense of hope."

And young Chinese seem very optimistic about Obama. "He seems much more open-minded," said Vicky, a teacher in Beijing. "Bush seemed aggressive, ready to take action instead of talking through problems first."

"I think [the] Chinese still want to see America as a leader, but [as] a leader who wants to listen, who wants to talk, and who doesn't want to add just his free will, and who wants to be responsible for its actions and its leadership," said Li Xin, an editor at Caijing, a weekly economic magazine. "And Obama seems capable of doing that."

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Between us and China,there should be a state of trust.It is time to put old habits of mistrust behind us.I believe that we as human beings living on this planet earth,should get along,for the good of everyone.
I'm not concerned with having China like our leader. I am more concerned with the health threat of anything coming out of China that can pose a threat to health (baby formula, toys, seafood) and the low quality of anything manufactured there (all of which falls apart as soon as the warranty period ends). It doesn't take protectionism to start holding imports from China to the same quality and safety standards demanded of domestically produced goods. Let's hope the "responsible action" Obama takes is to start enforcing that and end China's free ride that has been at the American people's expense.
China holds the bulk of U.S. debt ($10 trillion) which lets her flood this country with imports. I believe they also hold the lease to the Port of Los Angeles. How did we get into this mess and how do we get out??
The "problem" is that the U.S. is doing business with the Chinese in the first place.

Of course they'd like to see the status quo in America.  The last 8 years have been an economic dream for cheap labor and an absolute disaster for our own industries.  The status quo means the destruction of the United States.  I don't have to prove it... just take a look around!

How many people here can remember when you used to pay premium for something made in the U.S. because you knew you could count on its quality?  We used to manufacture solid goods... what happened?

I'm keeping my U.S. Vice Grips close, and the next time I use them to loosen a stripped lugnut by standing on the handle, I'm going to take a moment to remind myself that the only reason they don't fall to pieces under the strain is because they were made before the "status quo."  
 



as an australian the excitement in usa is just amazing people are compashinent about their president and i got to say i am jealous it shows real interest on whats really going on in parliment not the kind of disconnection we have in australia , its just great how this gives excitement to the world on the future which can be brighter than the past we all talk about the good old days now we can talk about the good wounderful hope for the future thankyou
I hope we cut our imports in half from china and get back to making our own goods here in the U.S.A.That would put americans back to work not chinamen.Something has got to be done ,we'll see what the new President does now that he's got the rein's,action's speak loulder than word's.
I am soooo glad China approves of the new United States President.  It is too ironic that all the so called qualities the Chinese find postive about Pres. Obama are not found in their own government (to put it mildly). Would they care how US citizens view  their communist government? Do they print stories in Chinese newspaper what the westerners think? I'm not so sure they would be concernd with our public view of communism and dangerous/deadly products they sell to the US. Also, did anyone figure out why China has  high unemployment? It's due to massivie layoffs because the Olympics are over, not because the US stopped purchasing their junk. Does anyone know what is made in the US?  Almost nothing.  Now according to this article Pres O. can go back on his own campaign promise (i.e. stop making toys in China ...only toys, I could think of a lot more products that should not be produced in China) as the Secretary of Commerce states people (Chinese) should not pay attention to those sorts of (campaign) comments. Wonder why US citizens cares about their global image? Other countries could care less what we think of them. Also, campaign promises are already being "recalled".   I feel this article/comment will not be read because the US people are watching all the celebs partying for the inaugaration and maybe even China is watching-not.  Hope everyone is happy even though campaign promises were made and will be broken -  and bottom line China approves of our new pres, so what does that really mean... we can all sleep easier???
I think any country who has that much of a trade imbalance with a country like the US would want the status quo.  How about we start making that more of a balance?  I could care less if the Chinese like us if that got backed to balanced.  Its what I call fair.
The Chinese must understand that America and other countries cannot give all their wealth to them by destroying all their own industries and Banks in favour of China especially .

There must be a fairer distribution of the benefits of Globalisation , as we too have families with Mortgages to pay and Bills to pay and the money can only come if we get back most of our key industries . That is not Protectionism , it is Sanity !

Our factories must be rebuilt in a new Manhattan Project for the USA , Britain etc
I think [the] Chinese still want to see America as a leader, but [as] a leader who wants to listen, who wants to talk, and who doesn't want to add just his free will, and who wants to be responsible for its actions and its leadership," said Li Xin, an editor at Caijing, a weekly economic magazine. "And Obama seems capable of doing that."

I will avoid all chinese goods at all cost because:

A) We owe them enough for stuff that breaks and can't get replacements for.

B) We as a country have to stick together and buy more domestic goods to lessen the trillions of dollars of debt.

If we cut ties completely there WILL be war.  The chinese just want to keep busy and manufacture at ANY cost.  This is a big problem that needs to be addressed.  

The following is a SIMPLE solution:

A)  Get some American FDI or MNC in China Immediately.  Start buying into their banks so we can lessen debt.

I want to start a manufacturing company and outsource my jobs to people in china.  Barriers would be too high and too many restrictions.  
I don't think the comment by Art Engle from Philadelphia, as a whole, is intentionally racist but his use of the term "chinamen" is in fact, derogatory and racist given the history of the use of this word in America.

It's a bit disappointing that the MSNBC censors missed this when approving the comment and since there is no other way to report it, I'm forced to point it out in this comment.
So with more of a protectionist policy the US will be pursuing what will become more of a socialist state? I thought Keynes had failed, he did not allow for stagflation. No wonder China is annoyed: they have pumped all of this money into infrastructure to engage with the international community, succumbing to pressure to be more 'open', both economically and culturally (in terms of consumerism as a cultural standpoint) - as well as to allow greater  transparancy - and, to capitalise on the interdependence of the international economy. So how is the US going to become more isolated? Yes they have to build up infrastructure, basic infrastructure. But so why do they push an ideology to developing countries to develop via neoliberalism when they have fallen short themselves? This isn't about the relationship between the US and China, it's about the failure of an ideology that China was pressured into and that the US has been forced to reccind from. So the next 15 years will be interesting. Who disagrees? I'm only a uni student (and I'm not American) so I would like to understand this. Because as much theory that can be pumped into me will not make me understand as well as if I had practical experience, instead of hearing about it via the news or lecturers.
It's important to know the facts relating to US-China trade: http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=all&style=wide&productId=39770&productCode=spec

China is the 3rd largest export market for the US. US exports to China boomed 301% during the period 2000 to 2007, despite US exports were seriously hampered by the "dual-use" security concerns of the US. You can't really blame China for the trade deficits when the US refuses to sell China many products she wants to buy. Many Chinese orders had gone to the EU, Russia and Japan because of this refusal.  

However it would still help, if US businesses could, within the US law, investigate, produce in the US, and sell the products that the Chinese people need or want.
China holds the bulk of US debt because We American pplz like to live large at the expense on anyone. History said we never care anyone ( kill red indians, kill maxicans or kill japanese or killing iraquies ) to serve only ourself. Now all over world people are learning fast and will do the same as time is changing. I guess time to learn for all american to become a citizen of third world.
I hope Obama will work with other Asian countries to stop the chinese bulliness toward other countries in the region.
Remember they give us goods we give them paper. Think people, its same with oil. We give them paper... Think
I'm not gonna pay 4x the price just cause its made in the US. The country runs on things falling apart, it makes us go out and buy new ones which keeps the system running. If everything lasted forever no one would be buying anything new. Things are designed to break and things are designed to look old after a few years. Thats what keeps the system going.
Free Trade in NOT working.  They all have jobs, and the only thing America made is the hamburgers.  Now that they have pirated all the software, movies and music, what remains for the USA?  In addition, China is deliberately killing our children and pets with their lead-based toys and poison food products.
I think we should put more pressure on China to be more democratic and respect human rights .
What most Americans don't get is that, we live in a global economy.  If we start isolating ourselves from the rest of the world, our economy would crumble (imagine the great depression but alot bigger), and other nations will eventually catch up and pass us.  Sure, we have the world's most powerful military, but we need a vibrant and growing economy to sustain it, remember the collapse of the Soviet Union?  Stopping trade with the worlds third largest economy is just plain stupid, and doesn't make sense.  However, reduce government spending does.
Mr. Engle, Phila, Pa
The idea is to only buy American if you can help it. If you buy the cheap shizz, then the peoblem is perpetuated. Make sure you look where things are made.
Look guys,
If you want the trade to be more "balanced" and if you want the USA to make more of the products we use, BE PREPARED TO spend twice as much money for the same amount of products. You will pay 100 dollars for a Barbie Doll set instead of 40.  The ultimate question is, who is willing to provide labor at such a low cost? NOBODY in America...so I suggest you pro American consumerists to shut up and just enjoy cheap reliable products.
Mr.Engle,
Results are collective, I'll do my part if you do yours. We gotta buy American ONLY as long as it's possible. Encourage others to do so, because I think we're onto something!! We may not be able to promise the lowest price, but we can definetly offer the best quality, and they know it. That's why there are bootleg fashion pieces (i.e. Cartior, Rolez, Pola, etc.) Let's stop the hostage taking of our country
Chinese are everywhere . . .all over the world. Northwestern University, outside of Chicago, has hundreds of Chinese students; Honduras, in Central America, have many in business there, taking advantage of the extraordinarily cheap cost of labor . . . and these are places where I've lived.

B-52's . . ." I'm turning Chinese/Japanese, I really think so."
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AND YOU APPROVED WORDS LIKE CHINAMEN BY ART ENGLE OF PHILADELPHIA?
I wish half these people would make logical statements instead of borderline racist tirades. We must be smart enough to realize that there is a lot more than mere words holding the status quo.  We have a trade imbalance that is not going to magically heal itself by 'putting Americans to work' if we intend to do that we will have to change massively our internal corporate structures to make that a truly viable option.  The toys and what not don't seem to be truly a thing of ill will but rather tragic mistakes, we must be prudent enough to recognize where we have a chance to make positive change and not incessantly push phrases that create arguments with Nations and their populations if we actually hope to change the world we live in and construct a better future.
Before I buy ANYTHING... Food, clothing, anything at all, I always check first to see where it was produced and Always hoping it's NOT Made in China and preferably made in the USA. I DON'T TRUST ANYTHING MADE IN CHINA!
I'm sure China desire's the same "INSANE" trade policy's that are in place,but until we have "FAIR" trade,not"FREE" trade,our economy will not rebound.It's time to end NAFTA.Stop the greed from big money corporations,Stop the slave labor in China.
Well, it sounds good but untill China stops hacking of U.S. defence computer sights/banking. Selling of brand new  A.K.47's that are showing up in Iraq Stamped made in China on them ,loaded with AP ammo.Oh I should add that they stop the exicution/organ harvesting vans that roam the chinease country side we might be able to trust them.And what about tibet and soon to be lost taiwan But who am I to ask?
I have traveled to China 3 times in the last two years and have met people who want to be allies with the United States and how are very proud for what America stands for.  They have helped up with the North Korea incident which most people do not realize along with Middle East issues.  The Chinese people do not see America as an enemy but as a role model.  I hope most American someday realize this.

So, Tom Donohue of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is in China. This man, who lobbies in Congress and the White House to layoff American workers, and replace them with Cheap Third World Labor, the man who encourages illegal immigration, and the man who has no problems with poison foods and toys from China in America, all to make profits for his cronies, the American CEOs, should be kicked out of the US, and told to go live in China which he loves so much.
I remember my parents seeing the promise of FDR in the words of JFK, the republican dreams in Ronald Reagan and the dreams of one America united, now with Obama! Let us not waste our opportunity to unite for not only America, but for humanity
China makes some great stuff. Iphones, ipods, 1600 dollars nikon 17mm-35mm lenses. All great quality precision stuff. They have some of the highest tech CNC and manufacturing plants on planet earth. China advance like 10 year to a year here. Clear out yoru sterotypes. The fall apart goods you speak about are goods like found at walmart or harbour freight. Where they go to china to demand to buy say a drill for 5 dollars so they can sell it here at 69.99. This is so that the "american" side can make the 65 dollar profit. If they made it here that drill would be 100 to make and then to make the same greedy 65 dollar profit they would charge 165.  I think for those cheap products you speak about they dont' even sell them IN CHINA. Its made for US profit corporation only. You should take a hard look in the mirror and ask why this is happening? Its because no one here wants to pay the full price. They want to do the same work as someone else in the world but they want to be paid say 20 times more. Say its 5 bucks an hours elsewhere but here one demands 100. Then one go to wal mart to buy products made by people working for 5 bucks and one reasons it under "to to make ends meet?" HELLO!. If you want 100 and hour then you need to buy at the price that it would take to pay someone here to do it. Not only would you "not make ends meet" you'd have to curtail your lifestyle a lot. You will not do that. In any pyramid if you want to live like a king on top you have to have a huge pyramid of poor people. The US lifestyle has taken advanatage of economies around the world mexico, india, south america and china for years. There was a program with Ted Koppel who interviewed a young women working at making furniture for Ethan Allen in China. Doing the same work as someone here in North Carolina. She asked why should she be paid so little when the person in NC gets so much? They asked the saem question to the women in NC. The NC women said why should we send jobs to China and not keep them here. Then you see here add. She doesn't get paid enough in NC to make ends meet. So she HAS to go to walmart. The implication was she was already being paid too much in NC but it wasnt enough to live the american conspicuous consumption lifestyle. She should only buy say one thing at an expensive price made in america. But she wanted a whole bunch of childrens cloths and toys and household products (made in a lower cost part of the world) saying she was making ends meet? Do you have any sympathy for people like that? You have to think hard about yoru own actions and choices and then think about how capatalism requires cheap workers so that there s enough to pay off the shareholders, the management, the system. The greed of the us style managment is another issue. They only look for the cheapest way to make stuff. Made it the US doesn't make economic sense. Read any US business 101 course There is more to it than what is seen on the surface. Oh so much more.
I try to buy US as much as I can. My whole garage is full of a LOT of DeWalt tools but I realize none of them are made in the USA anymore. They are made elsewhere but it doesn't fall apart becasue even made outside the US they are still very expensive which means they tell the outside manufacturer to use good production system. I don't have a solution but I do see a problem. We have to change ourselves first to make anything else change.
Trade imbalance is what happens when we start fighting wars on borrowed money.  Just so happens that money came from China.  If we try to push for balance in the trade, China will push to cash in some of the federal notes they hold and put us back in check.  We are powerless until there is a balance in our foreign debt.  Needless to say it may have only taken 8 years to rack up almost $9,000,000,000,000.00 debt but we would have to have major budget surplus for at least 25 years to get that back to a reasonable level where we could actually put pressure on them.  There is a good reason why the republicans claim that the Democrats like to tax and spend.......Someone's got to pay the bills!!!!
Of course China wants the "status quo"... They've been making trillions off of us for years!
Obama needs to break the status quo, and hold China to its end of the bargain. He needs to balance the trade agreement, hold China products to higher standards, and insist on China giving its workers fair compensation and working conditions. If China doesn't do this, bring back the work to the U.S.
China was a third world nation before they sought to learn from the United States on how to become a new world leader. They used our rise to economic power to better themselves on a whole. I dont condemn them for wanting to better themself as a nation however its time to let them know if not for the helping hand we gave them to their rise to power they would still be growing rice patties. They owe us , not us owe them any longer so they can take their communistic ideas of world domination right back where it came from far as Im concerned. TY Pres Clinton for selling us out without our consent!
Fair? It's not China's fault that U.S. is in debt and in this kind of trade imbalance.
President Obama i have faith in you and i know in time everything will come together ,but as i know also Rome wasent built in a day .as you do your part we as the people need to do ours as well ,so i say to you Mr.President good luck to you and Vice President Joe Biden God Bless You Both
How about concern for human rights issues in China?  You know, things like the one child policy resulting in forced abortions, baby abandonments and a shortage of females in the population... not to mention religious persecution and forced labor camps...
Shouldn't that have any bearing on our relationship with them?  You won't hear Chinese government officials addressing this issue, because it's not good public relations.  You won't hear our government talk much about it, either, because it's not good for business.  So we turn our heads for the sake of money.  Sad.
Obama's stimulus plan needs big money loan and where does he expect to get that kind of cash if he's not going to be a bit nice to China? So it's just meant to be. US and China should be friends, whether you like it or not.
i believe it is time for all of us and all countries to be working side by side.i believe that president obama could accomplish that.this time is very difficult and not easy.it is time to change our mentality to b ecome ones and be respected.
Ms. Bleakley is correct; we're (US) not in much of a position to dictate to China.  In that situation, our first priority might well be to work on reducing our debt - another aspect of the "long, hard climb" upon which our nation is about to embark.
We want low prices and $29.95 DVD players, so can they be made in the USA?
By the way, 'chinamen' is considered derogatory just like the n..... word.
china should be concern as we need to tighten up on what they import to us and get a better deal for our own goods. it's time that we make it a even deal, united states people need to understand this most of all. one of the problems with us is that we give in to easy.
i agree i hope obama realizes that while this country demands so much from him, he should crack down on all the military and economic secrets being stolen by chinese spies, which make it tough for us to compete later on, i hate how these chinese leaders can put straight faces and still talk with us
We have made that trade imbalance.  We have baught into 'low prices' at any cost.  Wal-Mart has built China.  The only way out of this mess is a little lower standard of living and enforcing standards.  

We need China to met the same enviormental atandards as we demand.  I think labor standards will take care of themselfs.

China needs a dimestic market that we can trade in also.  But we need quality products to export, other wise, Japan, Europe, and India will will the gap.



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