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Egyptians live in fear along Gaza border

Posted: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:16 PM
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SALAH EL DIN, Egypt – Beneath Egypt’s border with Gaza lay dozens of tunnels Israel says are used to smuggle weapons and ammunition to Hamas militants. In recent days, Israeli fighter jets and unmanned drone planes have bombed the southern Gaza border city Rafah in an effort to stop Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.

But for residents living along the Egyptian side of the Gaza-Egypt border, there is growing fear and anger over Israeli military operations that injured four Egyptians over the weekend, according to news reports.

"My grandchildren wake up in the middle of the night, crying as the bombs go off, shaking the very foundation of our house. They haven’t really slept for five days," said Om Fayez, the short, feisty matriarch of a five-story family home in Salah el Din, a few hundred feet from the border. "Our windows have been shattered [by the bombings]. We are scared we’ll be hurt."

Image: Rhasmeya el Nahal
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Rhasmeya el Nahal shows NBC News' Alphonso Van Marsh her families’ orange groves leading to Egypt’s border and the high-rise buildings of Gaza. 

Fayez has reason to fear. Shrapnel hit and injured two Egyptian children and two Egyptian police officers on Sunday, according to a Reuters report, when an Israeli Air Force bomb exploded in Gaza. The injured were on the Egyptian side of the border at the time and were taken to a local hospital. The gravity of their injuries is unknown. Egyptian police sources told Reuters an Israeli bomb landed on Egyptian soil on Monday – but failed to explode.

"[Israel] says it is going after the tunnels," said Fayez’s daughter Rhasmeya el Nahal, pointing toward an Israeli drone circling over Gaza. "But what about [those people] who have nothing to do with them?"

Cracking down on tunnels
El Nahal said that most of the tunnels are used to smuggle goods to Palestinians because they are trapped due to Israel’s land, air and sea blockade around Gaza. She wouldn’t discuss weapons, but el Nahal insisted smugglers use the tunnels to make money. Some people are engineers, other run shops, the smugglers are doing a job just like any other, she told me. "They’re simply digging for cash."

Egypt has been cracking down on tunnel use. Local Bedouins told us that Egyptian authorities recently instructed them not to take journalists to tunnel entrances. El Nahal said Egyptian authorities have held her husband without charge for three months after a neighbor accused him of having a tunnel on their property. From the rooftop overlooking orange groves, another el Nahal family member said he challenged Egyptian authorities to inspect the family property for what Egyptian authorities suspect lays beneath.

El Nahal said police have yet to visit, and her husband – a civilian administrator at local police headquarters – remains in detention. At the time of writing, NBC News could not independently verify her claims that the expansive family property was indeed tunnel free.

Image: Arabic-language fliers
Alphonso Van Marsh/ NBC News
The Israeli military has distributed Arabic-language fliers like this one warning residents that “Hamas is feeling the wrath of the Israel Defense Forces” – and providing a number to phone in tunnel locations Israel says are used to smuggle weapons to Palestinians.


Meantime, trying to calm frayed nerves

In the meantime, Fayez and el Nahal said they are concentrating on putting the family’s youngest – including four girls under age 10 – at ease, despite the bombardment. It is not easy, they said.

El Nahal handed me a paper flier the Israel Defense Forces dumped over Gaza that she says blew over the border. In Arabic, the flier warned that the Israeli military will continue military attacks until it reaches its objective. "Hamas started to feel the wrath of the Israel Defense Forces…for your safety, we beg you to leave your residential areas and go to city centers," it said. New fliers dumped Sunday offer a number for residents to call if they know the whereabouts of tunnel locations.

Last week, an Israeli spokeswoman said Israeli forces had destroyed 50 percent of the tunnels. Israel insists any proposal to end the conflict must include Egyptian efforts to shut down the complex tunnel system.

Egyptian Bedouins say the tunnels can be reconstructed or replaced in a matter of weeks. But Fayez and el Nahal say replacing the fear their girls are experiencing now with a normal child’s carefree existence will take a whole lot longer.

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Its UN failiure to assert itself as a peacemaker.

Shame for isreal to disrepect the UN and the whole world in gereral.

Betrayal for palestinian people from the world and US.Who couldn't stop Isreal's barbaric actions.

I still believe that there should be a strong UN peacekeeping forces in the region to stop this genocide.So nobdoy can run over others homes just because they have more power and resources.
Does somebody care to explian?
How long those poor palestinis have to pay the price for what some of their neighbours tried to claim more than 60 years ago.But failed to pursue that.

From last 60 years isreal is stealing their land their lives and their future.But still they managed to play a dirty game of pity.they are getting money,technology and weapons just in the name of "palestinian scare".Who started fighting back with stones in response to mortary rounds.

I can't blame them that much because they have been screaming at the top of their lungs to get world's attention,but no vail.

Really does anybody care to explain,what right does isreal has to kill thousands of people in the name of occupation.And why can't they also recognize palestinian's right to live and prosper.Why can't they stop making a virtual prison for palestinians.Tell me WHY???????????
Bob Marley War Lyrics:
What life has taught me
I would like to share with
Those who want to learn...

Until the philosophy which hold one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war

That until there are no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than
the colour of his eyes
Me say war

That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be persued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war.....
"Beneath Egypt’s border with Gaza lay dozens of tunnels Israel says are used to smuggle weapons and ammunition to Hamas militants."  

Dear Alphonso--Has anyone ever said otherwise? This is tantamount to, "The Pope, who Israel says is Catholic... ."  

"El Nahal said that most of the tunnels are used to smuggle goods to Palestinians because they are trapped due to Israel’s land, air and sea blockade around Gaza."  The tunnels go under a wall separating Egypt from Gaza (which, by the way, was a part of Egypt that it refused to take back when Israel returned the Sinai peninsula).  Israel didn't put the wall there.

"But Fayez and el Nahal say replacing the fear their girls are experiencing now with a normal child’s carefree existence will take a whole lot longer."  Place the blame where it belongs--on Hamas.  Then go visit Sderot.
I like your quotes of how long it will take the girls to recover their "carefree existence."  I think the same thing when I think of the Jewish children in Sderot who have lived with bombings for years from Hamas.  Makes me feel supportive that Israel is fighting back!
Horrible what the Israelis are doing to their brothers by blood, enemies by religion. This conflict will not go away in the near future, at least for the next several generations. I believe we are at a watershed time though, and will see a shift of greater power to the Palestinians as the next generation begins to come of age. The Chinese will be the new power masters in the next generation or two and they will not be so easily manipulated as the American puppets.
my hearts not bleeding for liars and wanna be martyrs
Poor Egyptian children and their parent, enduring 16 days of hearing blasts!  They should all go to Sderot and live there for years under direct hits of Hamas rockets! Come on, MSNBS, put things in perspective.
It appears to me that the citizens on the fully appreciated the economic benefit that the tunnels
bring, and intent to restore them.com. Then they should be fully prepared to pay the price for having them.
Dont blame Israel. Dont care much for them or there politics either. But they have asked the shelling to stop. If people of Gaza wont stand up for themselves then hell will continue to rain down. Its sad. We had our Cival War between brothers and was just as ugly. Someone please talk peace!
I think common sense is something that is very rare in the middle east. When you shoot armed rockets or missles into a countrie's towns,cities and you call for the distruction of a nation, tell me how you do not think that country will not retaliate. Now Gaza is getting its butt kicked up and down its little coast. If there was so much simpaty for Gaza why don't the rest of the middle east rise up and defend them? Because they know Hamas was stupid for messing with one of the most militarly powerful countries in the middle east. by the way, where is Hama sponser Iran at? Hamas is so stupid.
have any of you pro-isreal considered that isreal has been controlling gaza's borders, airspace, harbors, etc? how would you feel if canada and mexico controlled who and what can get in and out of our country? including food, water, medicine, all goods.

to the idiot that will respond and say isreal gives aid to gaza...ask yourself this why does gaza need aid? because isreal doesnt allow them to live freely.

like we say in new hampshire, live free or die.
"An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind."  - Mohandas Gandhi

The civilians are NOT Hamas.  Why destroy the lives of hundreds for the actions of a few?  This military genocide will only breed future generations of Hamas.  Kill one civilian today and you will only breed more violent radicals. The children witnessing these atrocities and attacks on human dignity will seek revenge for the murders of their sisters and mothers tomorrow.
If Hamas wouldn't attack Isreal, then Isreal would not need to try and control the Gaza borders and everyone could live in peace.
Most Americans are ignorant of the facts concerning the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. Americans must go to website: IfAmericansKnew.org  Then,hear how Hamas rose to power with Israel's help, google website: archive.wbai.org and listen to Wake Up Call aired on 1/13/09 at 7:00AM and 8:00AM with two historians discussing information you'll never get on tv news.
Get use to it Egypt.  A seige wouldn't be a seige without the blockage.  

Why would anyone think Irael's defense would cease as long as the Hamas rocket fire onto Israel continues?

Suppose Hamas militants continue to fire rockets onto Israeli soil for 100 years?  Should we not expect then to see Israel's defense to continue for 100 years?

Peacable Egyptians, consider buying a new house further south of the border.  Then maybe your children and their children will be able to sleep at night.

Or, close all tunnels.

The smugglers plight, using tunnels that are being bombed in order to stay "in business" during the conflict, is for them to worry over.
What a one-sided article! Awwwww Am I supposed to feel sorry for the people who are now suffering under the Israel bombings? I DO NOT. Try living where over 6000 rockets come in one year - then you would be traumatized! I agree with Victoria "I think the same thing when I think of the Jewish children in Sderot who have lived with bombings for years from Hamas.  Makes me feel supportive that Israel is fighting back! " The Palastinians chose Hamas, hiding them, supporting them - Now they have to live with the consequences.  Thanks COMMON SENSE, EMMA, CHAD, great posts.  
The comment that smugglers 'are just trying to make a living'(?) is believable.  

After all, with Egyptian unemployment at 50% (and most of the unemployed comprised of young men), and given an Arab culture where a man needs money to pay the father of a bride in order to hope to be married, the business opportunity to run guns, food, or whatever through tunnels in the dirt, even when under fire, beckons.
It is very sad that this conflict had to happen. All beginning with thoughtless attacks on Israel by Hamas. The Civilian causalities where they are sad and we wish they were avoidable, it is extremely difficult to directly target an enemy that thrives in taking shots from civilian structures.

Canada wouldn't tolerate any US sect launching rockets into their Country, as wouldn't the US tolerate it from any neighboring country. Why is this concept so hard to understand. I commend Israel for their efforts to ensure the safety and well being of their citizens, but strongly urge them to find a way to make peace out of this terrible series of events.  
Julia.....  have you NOT been reading the papers? Where have you been? Hamas lives among the civilians, they fire rockets into Israel from schools, churches, UN buildings. They live among the people. Their tactic is to do this, get civilians killed, get lots of photos taken by international journalists, then cry "ow poor me". WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. The children's blood is on their hands as they don't care how many they sacrifice for the sake of PR supporting the Islam movement. Their goal is to kill all infidels-that is you and me, and your children and grandchildren.
It is unreal to me the selective criticism that I hear about Israel keeping the poor Palestinians from humanitarian aide for the past 18 months, and also the criticism voiced about how Israel is so horrible for what they are doing to the civilians of Gaza. Does anyone ever look at a map? If any of you anti-Israeli Hamas supporters took a minute to consider the fact that there is also a border on the Egypt side THAT IS IN NO WAY CONTROLED BY ISRAEL UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THAT EGYPT WOULD LIKE TO BE AT PEACE WITH ISRAEL AND THEY DON'T WANT THE PALESTIAIANS EITHER! And they are also Arabic! These are supposedly thier own people! Why does so much of the world blame Israel for starving the poor civilians - the "poor civilians" that voted for their terrorist Hamas "government"  - but no one seems to be commenting on the fact that Egypt could open their border and supply Gazans with all that they need BUT THEY AREN'T EITHER! Why? Because these people cannot live in peace - because their fundamental belief system IS NOT PEACEFUL! I've been in Isreal for the past 7 months, I have friends there who are Arabic (Christians) and also Jewish. Believe me, there are also many many Arabs who support Isreal because the basic belief system of Islam is to destroy anything that is "western" - most specifically the Jews. I'm not even Jewish - but it makes me sick the thick vien of anti-semitism that still courses through the blood of humanity. Isreal just wants to live in peace people! WHY SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT? HAMAS WOULD DESTROY ISRAEL IN A SECOND IF THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO DO SO BUT ISRAEL IS EXPECTED TO WHAT? PUT UP WITH BEING FIRED ON FOREVER? WHAT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WOULD EVER PUT UP WITH THAT?
The rocket attacks in Southern Israel stems from the israel treatment of Hamas! How would you like to have to go through a military checkpoint just to take your children to school!! This is a two sided battle with neither side being in the right. If the Jews could respect Hamas and allow them to live in Gaza as stipulated with the peace accord then Hamas might not feel the need to defend their right to live!!! Come on America don't just take the US media as the fact!!! Look at both sides of this conflict!!!!
I am reading these responses and most of are unbelievable. For once the news is showing the Arab side and all you Jews are sitting here complaining how the article is focusing too much on Egyptians. I would live in Serdot any day versus living in Gaza for one day. TO have to be controlled and humiliated by the Israeli army no thank you. There is a genocide going on right now .. 13 Israelis have died compared to 900 Palestinians. Israel caused this mess.  
to the pro zionists who complain of rockets that landed in Sderot it's only a little taste of what the Palestinians have received for the past 41 years of OCCUPATION!!!!!
Palestinians have every right to resist to end their opperssive occupation under the Zionists
Richard, NYC ask yourself why Hamas shoots rockets to begin with. If someone took your land from you and attacked your village would you not shoot rockects and defy them untill you gain back what is yours?

how would you feel if some foreign state took your land, bulldozed your homes, killed your family, held you in an open air prison in your remaining land? say honestly how would you feel? every american would fight back to get back what is theirs. would you then claim that the foreign state invading your land, killing your people is not at fault?

how many of you even understand the root cause of this issue?
There's a reason this conflict has failed to resolve over time: It's tough to take sides. My sympathies are currently with the Palestians -- because nowhen and nowhere should children ever be harmed in regards to politics. That said, Israel too has its point: They're hated in the region (reflected in the song lyrics below composed by Bob Dylan in 1983). They have to strike back more aggressively than they receive -- otherwise they'll be attacked from all sides. It may also be asked (in defense of Isreal): What did the Israelis get for giving back Gaza to the Palestinians but missles fired back in return? Hardly a fair trade. Why did Hamas buy weapons during the seize fire rather than build the economy? My next question, though, again sympathizes with the Palestians: How many Israelis did these missles actually harm? This is the question I'm currently asking, and haven't yet found an answer. Should the Gazans in general be blamed for Hamas members being elected? Personally, I didn't vote for Dubya, so I wouldn't want to blamed for his election -- why should I blanketly blame Gazens, then?

My overall opinion is that I see the reason why Israel struck back. At the same time, though, I don't see the reason why their assault is so massive in response to missles that, from what I've established so far, indicate they were more annoying than harmful.

At any rate, here's Bob Dylan's Pro-Israeli lyrics (albeit from 1983). I'm just including this because it's interesting that the 60s leading "protest-singer" would side with Israel in the '80s and put their policy to music:

NEIGHBORHOOD BULLY

Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man,
His enemies say he's on their land.
They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
He's criticized and condemned for being alive.
He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin,
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
He's wandered the earth an exiled man.
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
He's always on trial for just being born.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
The bombs were meant for him.
He was supposed to feel bad.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
He's the neighborhood bully.

He got no allies to really speak of.
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love.
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly.
To hurt one they would weep.
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Every empire that's enslaved him is gone,
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
In bed with nobody, under no one's command.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
He's the neighborhood bully.

What's anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin', they say.
He just likes to cause war.
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
He's the neighborhood bully.

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers?
Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
Running out the clock, time standing still,
Neighborhood bully.

BTW: Thanks for the website, Julia.

The graphs may tell it all.

IfAmericansKnew.org

The thing every American should keep in mind: Our government is complicit with Israel as long as it contains to pretty much fund all of Israel's military.

Come on! get real. Israeli should not occupy palestinian territories in the 60's at the first place and took their land by force. I think American people too will retaliate if mexico tries to take their land. One more thing, the Bush administration has killed hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan without guilt and I'm not surprised if he keeps on using veto power more than 28 times supporting Israeli to keep on going slaughtering Palestinian people.
it's sad. if somebody threw a paper rocket at you because you always steal their food, money, and bully them, would you respond by picking up a machine gun and killing them. it's just sad.
How sad that Palestinians are paying such a high price, just to protect the Hamas terrorist who fire rockets at Israel civilians from school yards.  Does murdering your Israeli neighbors with rockets 365 days a year really bring a reward worth sacrificing your own children for?  I don’t think so.
I just don’t get it.  I was born in America with moral values and learned at an early age to restrain myself if I was angry.  There are actually solutions that don’t dictate that you kill your opponent if they don’t agree with you.   If Palestinians want complete independence and self governance, the right to live in peace and prosper and if they want to be recognized by civilized people and nations, stop murdering innocent civilians, that IS NOT civilized.
Also, I don’t understand where Iran is.  Isn’t Gaza only a proxy for Iran?  Why has Iran abandoned the Palestinian people when it’s time to pay the consequences for all of the Iranian rockets you have been firing into Israel.
Here's an idea maybe the U.N. and others can accept when they complain of Israel's use of disproportional defense (bockades and the latest attack upon Gaza)against constant Hamas missles and mortars:  Send a return rocket into Gaza for every rocket/mortar fired into Israel.  Maybe this would lead to peace.
sad to say but i believe this is our president in the background or shadows trying to create chaos before he leaves office and our new president elect takes over. i dont understand why a country like israel would fire suffistacated missles that are so accurate that so many civilians die because of there inaccuaracy? the tally of deaths in israel vs. palestine is insane! i backed israel in the past but i do not now...may prayers go out to the poor palestinians and there famalies....  
The Gazans used to come to Israel and earn a living working throughout Israel – until they started killing that hands the fed them. No, I do not like wars – we had too many already.
Alas, the Arabs are blinded by their hatreds and dreams of usurping the entire world. The list of their usurpations is quite long – wherever they go – they usurp other peoples' holy grounds and claim them to be theirs. Witness – the Jerusalem holiest city to the Jewish people – holiest – not second or third  - as the Muslims tell us – which is based on the false claim that their 'prophet' – who never even set foot in Jerusalem – nor even knew where it is – much less – 'fly' in the night (yes, in those days, anyone can make up a story – especially to the multitudes of illiterates of Arabia – why not fly during the day where everyone can see and be a witness, eh?) on a white horse. Then, there is the famous usurpation of a holy shrine in India – and the list goes on…
Well, I'll just end this with SHALOM and GOD be with you IDF and the people of ISRAEL!
LONG LIVE ISRAEL! AMEN!!!  
YeHudit Shevach Bat-Shalom

IF HAMAS CARES ABUOT THERE FAMILY, WHY WOULD THEY SEND ROCKET INTO ISREAL? ROCKET MEANS TROUBLE,SORROW,TEARS AND REGRET. STOP THE ROCKET AND THERE WILL BE PEACE !!!
a simple solution to a complex problem:     don't bring rockets into the tunnels.   don't shoot rockets from gaza into israel.   my best guess is that this will allow israel to live in peace and the idf will leave gaza and the fighting will stop.  if there is a more simple solution - i would be interested in reading about it.
   My sympathy for the Palestinian civilian casualties and wish the war stopped right away. But Hamas will claim victory and a victory for Hamas is a victory for Islam extremist, like Al-gaida, and Hezabula. Moderate Islamic countries are very much aware hence their distance and passiveness. In other to root out extremist and show them violence is not the proper means to achieve ones needs- this is a core teaching of Islam. Therefore Isreal must continue after all Hamas was their choice.
 A support and participation in this war by any country will align them with terrorism. A massive support and participation from the Islamic world will also pull in Christian nations lead by America. Lets pray this does note escalate




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