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Bangkok inferno puts spotlight on police payoffs

Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:19 AM
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 BANGKOK, Thailand –  The initial investigation into the pub inferno that killed 64 New Year’s revelers here makes for depressing reading: Not only did Bangkok's Santika Club have no operating license or insurance, there were no heat or smoke detectors, no fire alarm, no emergency lights, no fire escape sign and no sprinklers. It was packed with highly flammable material, electrical wires were dangerously exposed, windows were blocked and the main entrance was just over six feet wide, according to experts quoted in the local media.

It was, in other words, a death trap.

Image: Bangkok nightclub fire aftermath
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Thai policemen and rescuers stand by the bodies of victims of a fire that ripped through a nightclub in Bangkok early on January 1, 2009. 

Yet this was not some seedy, underground establishment, hidden from view. It was a large flashy building on a busy upscale Bangkok road, with the capacity for several hundred, frequented by well-heeled Thais and foreigners.

How on earth were they allowed to get away with not adhering to any safety codes?

Police corruption
Newspapers reported Thursday that the police have summoned the pub's manager for questioning, but he's yet to respond to their invitation.

There may be many in the police wishing he never does.

Thais generally have a very low opinion of the honesty of their police, and nowhere is this more apparent than in the relationship between the cops and Bangkok's notorious entertainment business.

A while back I met an academic from one of Bangkok's leading universities. He was compiling a study of Bangkok's sex industry, and was trying to find an accurate figure for the number of sex workers in the capital.

I can't remember what the final sum was, but the most reliable statistics came from the police. The academic told me cheerily that the cops kept detailed logs of how many worked in each establishment in their area, since they based their payoff on this head-count, and no bar or massage parlor could operate without paying the police.

The Santika pub was not a sex establishment, but bar owners who have tried to upset the system of payoffs have found themselves arbitrarily closed down or subject to dubious drugs raids.

‘Tea money’
There's a distinction here between regulation and control. The entertainment business in Bangkok is poorly regulated – safety rules flouted and not enforced, but the bars are tightly controlled by the police, who even have a stake in many establishments in their area.

The pay-offs are generally referred to as "tea-money" for the poorly paid police force. The authorities this week said they are investigating whether bribes were paid by Santika's owners.

That's encouraging, and would be nice to think that out of the New Year’s carnage a proper investigation of this corruption could come about

The problem, of course, is that we are not talking about a few bad apples in the police force, but an entire rotten system of routine pay-offs.

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Well, if any of the higher-ups in their police force end up facing charges, we in the United States have a couple of empty Senate seats that need to be filled. Sounds like we have the perfect candidates in Thailand!
Unfortunately, for most of the world, this is absolutely normal.  Even in some parts of this country, this is commonplace.  Corrupt government is the stuff of legend:  Tammany Hall in New York City, Chicago, Louisiana parish sheriffs,... Just look in any college level American political science book.  I would not be at all suprised if government corruption played a part in the failure of the state and  Federal regulation of our financial system.
As much as love this country it will always be third world thanks to the notion that the general population will not take a stand against corruption. The greed of the elitists is second to none and comes at the expense of the poor souls. The govt and all of its workers, including any family of power, DO NOT CARE about their fellow citizens. It will never change.
As much as love this country it will always be third world thanks to the notion that the general population will not take a stand against corruption. The greed of the elitists is second to none and comes at the expense of the poor souls. The govt and all of its workers, including any family of power, DO NOT CARE about their fellow citizens. It will never change.
Nothing new here.  This has been going on for many years in Bangkok and the surrounding communities of Pattaya and Phuket.  Corruption is rampant in the Kingdom of Smiles
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is no different than our own police force turning on their lights so they can drive through intersections without having to wait for red lights to turn. The real shame here is that the corruption and greed of the few mean the inevitable suffering of the many (hello Wall Street bailout, Enron, Madoff, etc.). This will never end. I've lost all hope for humanity...
What? When did you find this out?  Wow.............  This is unbelievable....  Police payoffs? Corrupted police?  In Thailand?  No way, this cannot be true.............
Simple solution. Assess an "entertainment tax" on the bars sufficient to pay the police a decent wage. Then investigate the corruption. Throw a few of the
worst offenders in prison for a long time. The rest will see the light... It will save lives with a no
net cost to the industry. No brainer
Corruption. In police departments? How about some news....
how do you think the drug business flourishes so well in the good old U.S.A.  ??
pay offs is nothing new in this country.the rich gets rich and the poor gets poorer.money is more important than lives in this part of the world.police and firemen would stand and wait until someone puts money in their hands.i lived there for 18 years of my life and have witnessed it before
Been to Thailand a LOT - it's all true.  

Tea money is a FACT OF LIFE in Southeast Asia.  The most interesting thing is that the police corruption is almost always directed at THAIS.  IF you EVER thought that getting something done "legally" was difficult in the USA, try Thailand - you may NEVER get your task accomplished legally - just "get it done".

Remember - "It's always easier to get forgiveness than  to get PERMISSION!"  (might even cost less, too)
Oh please, what's the big deal. SO... some poorly paid cops are trying to make some extra money. Now, if you REALLY  wanted to go "big time", you'd auction off a Senate Seat!
pay offs is nothing new in this country.the rich gets rich and the poor gets poorer.money is more important than lives in this part of the world.police and firemen would stand and wait until someone puts money in their hands.i lived there for 18 years of my life and have witnessed it before
Thai police corruption is LEGEND in scale...
entertainment tax?  NO NET cost to the industry?  Try the worst offenders?  

ROFLMAO - you have NO IDEA of the Thai legal system.

The judiciary is NOT INDEPENDENT.  The rules are s strange combination of French style law, Chinese la and old Thai customs (with a vague sprinkling of US style jurisprudence.)  

NEVER EVER EVER try to take legal action against a police officer (yeah, you might get a low ranking officer, but the TOP of the local subsection?  You would have a better chance of having a SNOWSTORM IN BANGKOK IN APRIL - for those who don't know - April is the HOTTEST month in Thailand)  You need to remember the complex "arrangement" between the police and the judiciary (which is far to difficult to explain here)
We have the same corruption here just at higher levels & they wear suits/pantsuits...kiss babies and go to church, put on a good face and call themselves Good - National leaders wonder why America acts like it does'nt care too much anymore ? It does'nt...we have to have news like the Thai tragedy to make us feel better, that we have higher standards ??? read news from a few years ago, we're the same no Better but maybe worse becase we have more opportunities to do things Right.
I lived in Thailand for 3 years. If you are driving in Thailand keep 200 baht at all times ready and concealed in your sunvisor. If you get pulled over 200 baht ( ~ 6 usd at the time in 2002 ) will get you out of it. I learned the hard way when I got pulled over and all I had were 1000 baht notes in my wallet. ( ~ 30 at the time ). I had to hand over the 1000 note... but ended up getting an escorted motorcade down the street... I felt like the top mob boss after my donation...
I lived in Thailand for 3 years. If you are driving in Thailand keep 200 baht at all times ready and concealed in your sunvisor. If you get pulled over 200 baht ( ~ 6 usd at the time in 2002 ) will get you out of it. I learned the hard way when I got pulled over and all I had were 1000 baht notes in my wallet. ( ~ 30 at the time ). I had to hand over the 1000 note... but ended up getting an escorted motorcade down the street... I felt like the top mob boss after my donation...
Man's basic nature is evil.  Religion tries to make up for that.  Laws try to change that.  But, Man is greedy.  Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden fruit and were punished.  (We) have known for much time that Man cannot be trusted to "do the right thing" so, laws - be they secular or religious, a set in place with "punishment" the deterrent.  

If Man is not (overly) concerned / fearful of the punishment for "evil" behavior then, "evil" is done, no matter what nation, what city, what town, what department, what person.

Police can be "criminals" with weapons and "authority."  Unfortunately.  Those persons we have entrusted to protect and serve often do not.  The "Blue Brotherhood" protects its own and works to intimidate its police members who try to do good, try to serve and protect.

On one side of the fence I support "police" forces for the difficult job they have. On the other side of the fence though, I worry and fear for "us" because of "them."  

Jaded? Maybe.  But, my nephew is a patrol officer.  The son of my good friend is a State corrections officer.  Other friends of another friend, too, are corrections officers locally.  I worry for them not just because of the scum that are in the populace generally but, also for the scum that are in the police forces (worldwide).

Who polices the police?  Seems the police run amok.
First off my heart goes out to the families and loved ones of the deceased. Terrible way to go, imagine the bystanders outside, hearing the sheaks of death...

I hope this incident opens up a can of it, what a totally-irresponsible use of funds. Sound familiar?
There will never be 'a proper investication of this corruption' for this carnage. The corruption in Thailand is not normal, but it is genetics and in their blood. This is the reason why I left Thailand almost 40 years ago. I have not seen it changed yet. It never be changed. So, those honest Thais who couldn't get out will either have to corrupt and cheat to survive or end up sufferring and be miserable. I can only feel sorry for those who are still making honest living. However, I don't give a damn for those dishonest people.
I don't care about foreign corruption, I want to know why deseret training isn't preformed at the border. The army could use the illegal immigrants as targets ( not for bullets!) to train on detainment. But they can use the drug runners for target practice. If I can google earth downtown Bahgdad, then that means uncle sam can google earth a live feed of anywhere, but if this is confirmed openly, then people will know they can put a stop to it. See they have programs to ( D.E.A.) to make it look like they're trying, but really drugs are a good way to keep minorities from prospering, even if it means some whites are gripped by it too, It's also a way to insure a number of "lower" class people who being born into poverty stricken drug infested hoods, are still good and will do the Labor. The good thing is that most of those good ole boys are dying and their son's are leaving office soon any way :)
Fred 54 Boston, the no brainer is you.  By implimenting a tax, all you're doing is kicking the "tea money" up the ladder.  Do you think that the entire Thia govenment is clean as a whistle and only the cops are crooked.  Please.  The bigger fish would merely keep the money, and they've already skimmed plenty off the system.  At least this way the cops who need the money get it.
If you think the club scene is bad, go check out the sweat shops and child prostitution parlors. Yikes!
corruption? just keep to a minimum. its everywhere!!
do you think that greed isn't in the USA? Then look at the raise that the house and state senate took in Michigan a few years ago. 38%, and that was when as now the state was in the red. The rest  of the state workers got 3% and had too bank 4 hours a pay. Yes greed corruption, etc. is everywhere. Oh yes, they got there vote by not voting to reject it. in other words a non vote means a yes vote.
In a part of the world where you can pay a policeman 50$ to have him ignore a serious accident...if you want something done you have to be willing to pay (don't use the word "bribe") everyone you work with...an investigation lasts only until the culprit comes up with enough money to buy off the investigator...You are expected to do favors for your boss, or lose your job...no, it's not just the policemen and it's not isolated to those who are underpaid.  Corruption is a way of life across much of the world.  
Fred54 - please note that any "tax" would go streight into the pockets of the rich.  The police would never see it.
Is it any surprise to anyone? Another country where basic laws take a backseat to state instituted corruption and kickbacks.
I've lived in Thailand for the past 3years steadily and off and on for the past 15yrs. You just grin and bear it and pay up if you have to because the last thing you want is to have to deal with the real so called justice system! I've just finished a year long divorce mess which even tho it's final I'm am now emeshed in trying to get my own property back, like the customs system I'll probably have to payout thousands to get my property returned but there is little choice unless I want to spend several more years in the legal system!
The Kingdom of Smiles has a long way to catch up to the corruption in america.  I don't think they will
ever be able to bridge that huge gap.  Hey, does
anyone know where I can buy a senate seat ?  If not, I will just get a job as a crooked cop, which should
be very easy to do, seeing that 95% of them are corrupt.  I remember the night club fire in the northeast where white lion was playing.  deja vu.
Eight honest people on the boat!!! Can you believe that? All forms, any form of government would work very well if all men were Honest. How about you? or how long can you swim...?
I love you.....Tongeincheek
Forget about Thailand, it's their problems. I lived and came from there. Just look at our financial failure today, it began from a president's coruption idea and our own government that led to this trouble housing market.  The overall picture of police coruption in Thailand and our government is the same.
There are drawbacks to the Thai system, but there are also benefits.  Thailand is not an overly litgious society.  Because of the lack of regulations you have a sort of informality throughout Thai life that makes it a charming refreshing change from the strict regulations of the American system. The thousands of food vendors in Bangkok who provide food to nearly everyone are a perfect example.  In the US those people would never be allowed to work because of health regulations, licensing, etc... Because of our litigious society, that once ubiquitous scene is now very uncommon.

Do people get sick from food vendors?  Of course, but it's rare. And the vast vast majority of the time these discos are very safe.  But if you tried regulating them the same way you did in the US, 99% of them would be shut down. The informal nature of things is why I love Thailand so much.  It's unfortunate this happen, but the Thais shoudn't go overboard to fix it.
Well an investigation would be great but wouldn't the ones doing the investigating be the police who are under suspicion? Kind of like Obama's camp saying they had no "inappropriate" contact with Gov. Blago in Illinois. Who's to define that them or an outside source?
I had to laugh at many of your comments, everyone....you guy are right on! Fred54, you have an excellent idea, but baksheesh occurs everywhere...it's just a matter of degree...and power. The Thai police get tea money so they can feed their families...then they probably turn around and pay their tea money to their supervisors so they can keep their jobs....etc, etc. Americans call it graft and greed, because it isn't as prolific here as in other nations, but it's still here. We do some pretty strange stuff here too...pay our actors and our athletes millions of dollars more than our President...build roads & bridges that go nowhere so states can get a write-off...etc., etc...auction off Senate seats...ad nauseum.....
Thailand has corruption? Well, What do expect form the classified Third world country? Tell me ..

Look at the First World country like us here in America. Do we recently have onessss. Senate seat for sale, Murdoff, Enron, those are big big time corrupt.
This is nothing new.  I was stationed in Udorn in 1972-73 and if a girl, who was purchased by a Mama-san, ran away the cops would go after her and return her to the Mama-san.  Of course the cops got paid for this service. When it was the birthday of the governor of a region all the bars, hotels, jewelry stores, tailor shops, etc, were expected to pay in for his birthday gift.  During the early 70s if you made a dollar a day you were doing great.  I can only imagine what life transition to when the US pulled out of Thailand in the mid-seventies.  Thailand really opened my eyes to the value of a person's life.
Having lived in Thailand, I am well aware of Police payoffs. In Thailand, a "Farang" is often accused of small infractions such as crossing a street illegally...(I experienced this and had to pay the policeman before I went on my way) Another experience was riding in my Thai friend's car; she was pulled over for an illegal turn. She simply gave the policeman 300 baht...we drove off! However, when it comes to payoffs in issues where lives are at stake, the Thai government must be held responsible; hopefully, this will encourage the Thai tourist industry to demand more enforcement in safety issues. In turn, this will help the local population that  deals with ongoing corruption.
I went back to Thailand for a summer break one year.  My friend's dad was driving and we got stop by the cops.  My friend's dad handed him  200 baht under his driver license.  The cops didn't even look at the license, he counted the money and handed 100baht back to my friend's dad.  The cops said "we caught a lot of people today, so I'll only take half the money".  

That's Thailand for you...
Does anyone know where there is a list of victims.  I have not heard from my brother who is an oil field worker in Saudi but has a wife and home in Thailand.  My last contact with him was when he called 12/24, his Christmas Day, my Christmas Eve.  Please send info to MVinc10560@yahoo.com if such a list is available.  My prayers are for all the survivors and families of the victims, as this is a very tragic start to a New Year.
Try looking in America-hello... half the cops in Providence are working for the mob
today, 4 palestenian children were found in Gaza on their mothers dead bodies, after those moms were shot by israeli soldiers guns, inside their home, 4 days ago, they were found today crying out of hunger and cold... this is toooo much, those are not Hamas, and they were shot intentionally.. what friendship are you talking about??
Jeremy - I agree 100%. I live there last year and overall, I was more happy there than here.
Pyrotechnics in an enclosed building with flamable materials in the ceilings and carpets - that is what created the disaster.  Not doing that is really pretty much a no-brainer, and if you are somewhere that is doing it, start looking for an exit and get out before the stampede that starts the moment fire is detected.  

Corrupt cops and no meaningful regulation only aggravate the problem, which really boils down to a lack of common sense all around.  
To Randy Stone:  Uh, that bands name is "Whitesnake", not "white lion".
many of us have read about corrupt cops in the USA.  therefore why should anyone be suprised that there are corrupt cops in other countries.  probably the only country that doesn't have corrupt cops is a country that doesn't have any cops.
My ex wife was a thai police Caption, I was with her when she would collect the money from bussiness, in return the police turned the other cheek,
I brought her to USA and she was turning tricks when I was at work, "noted ex wife" corroption is way of life in Thailand , most views of thai is easier to ask forgiveness if you get caught, but lie until you get caught in the lie
I lived in Thailand on and off for 10 years.
I am all too familiar with the corruption which is in  nearly everything. The difference in the US is IMHO, that the corruption level is about the same but it is only OK if you have a lot of money. In Thailand even the poor can participate, unlike the USA.
davidp


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