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Election hits home near U.S. base in Britain

Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:20 AM
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LAKENHEATH, England – In a country where "football" means "soccer" and "American football" is derided as an inferior version of rugby, the quarterback painted on the bookie’s front window is an unusual sight to say the least.

On the other side of the High Street, the Stars and Stripes are on display outside the Costlow cell phone shop. A laminated U.S. map welcomes customers to R & B Property Agency and there are noticeably more SUVs and Ford F-350s on quaintly named streets like Dumpling Bridge Lane than in most places in Britain.

With the U.S. Air Force’s 48th Fighter Wing based on 2,000 acres of countryside at the edge of this village, about 500 of the community's 2,000 dwellings are occupied by Americans and their families, giving the area a distinctively American flavor.

VIDEO: Britons hopeful U.S. vote will heal rifts

But the absence of "McCain 2008" or "Obama for President" signs sprouting from lawns in Lakenheath has much more to do with geography than a lack of interest in the race for the White House.

As a home to American airmen for 60 years, RAF Lakenheath is one of three U.S. military outposts within a 15-minute drive of the village. Officials estimate there are as many as 30,000 Americans in the area.

Long considered a source of aggravation, the conversation-halting roar of F-15s overhead now provides local residents with regular reminders that the looming U.S. election could have a dramatic impact on their livelihoods.

‘Game over’ for local businesses?
Many in the community worry about what the prospective victory of Democratic Sen. Barack Obama or Republican Sen. John McCain would mean for the future of the U.S. bases – RAF Lakenheath, RAF Mildenhall and RAF Feltwell – and say axing any of them would devastate the local economy.

Peter Newman, who runs The Plough pub, says almost one-third of his takings come from the wallets of Americans.

"The village does rely quite heavily on income from the bases and depending on which way the election swings it could mean base closures," the 30-year-old said. "I don't think the community could handle a base closure at the moment. I reckon it would be 'game over' for this business and quite a few others."

Image: Peter Newman and Chris Salter
Jason Cumming / msnbc.com
Peter Newman, left, who runs The Plough pub in Lakenheath, England, and retired customs officer Chris Salter have both been paying close attention to the U.S. election campaign.

Reg Silvester, chairman of the local administrative council in the neighboring town of Brandon, shares his concerns.

"Obama could have a big effect on this area if he made military cuts," he said. "Things are tough in the English economy at the moment. If you take the bases away it would leave an awful hole in the local economy."

However, some locals hope that change in the White House might result in Americans coming back out from "behind the wire" and reintegrating with the community.

When security was stepped up after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Catholic villagers who had traditionally attended Sunday Mass on the base were no longer allowed inside.

Invitations to the base’s golf course – where fees are paid in U.S. dollars  – stopped. And a well-used local road was shut off to non-military personnel.

Chris Salter, whose daughter married an American airman and moved to San Antonio said no matter the outcome on Nov. 4 it was important to keep strong links between the two countries.

"I know they kicked our a**es out of America but we still do have a special relationship," the 68-year-old retired customs officer said. "I think Obama will get in. I'm nearly as old as McCain but he's too old. He looks as though he's being pushed around on a skateboard."

Vincent Perry, 47, spent more than 20 years in the U.S. Air Force before retiring as an F-15 flight crew chief and settling in Lakenheath. The Washington, D.C., native has cast his absentee ballot for Obama, who he believes is ready to be a "world leader."

"I don't care who you are – you can't deny that the States is in trouble," Perry said. "I watched all of the debates. And wouldn't it be nice to have a president who can talk intelligently?"

A country transfixed
It’s not just the people of Lakenheath who have become obsessed with this election.

Most of Britain’s ten national daily newspapers devote at least a full page each morning to the campaign and the McCain vs. Obama showdown receives extensive coverage on evening newscasts. An excerpt of an Obama speech is even being used in a television commercial for the venerable Times of London.

Professor Sarah Oates, who teaches politics at Glasgow University's Andrew Hook Center for American Studies, said many Britons see parallels between Obama and Tony Blair, Britain's former prime minister.

"There is widespread interest in this election," she said. "I’ve been invited by Brits to three all-night parties so they can stay up and watch the American election."

"The legacy of the Iraq war is quite strong here," Oates continued. "The average Briton did not support the war in Iraq and there’s still a lot of anger and frustration."

"There’s excitement about change in the White House because that will change British policy. What Obama says resonates with Brits," she said.

Oates suggested that many Brits are "puzzled and appalled" by Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

"To a Brit, maverick doesn’t sound good. But she’s very good theatre and they’ve watched it with the detached fascination of a train wreck," Oates said.

With roughly 300,000 Americans in Britain, both parties have been busy registering expatriate supporters. Democrats Abroad U.K. reports that the group's membership has quadrupled since Christmas while Republicans Abroad U.K. says its numbers have doubled in the last 18 months.

Miki Bowman, chairman of Republicans Abroad U.K., described much of the British media coverage of the election as "very superficial."

But she added: "People in Britain feel very free to tell Americans what they think about our government."

Bill Barnard, chairman of Democrats Abroad UK, said: "The parties are very much aware of overseas voters. In 2000, 538 votes and Al Gore would've been president. It can make a difference."

Back at RAF Lakenheath, base officials said that as of Oct. 23 at least 2,086 of the 2,704 absentee ballots issued – or 77 percent – had already been cast and sent back to the United States.

For others, local concerns trump all else
But on the other side of the barbed-wire topped perimeter fence, not everyone is counting down the days to Nov. 4.

The British economy is on the verge of recession, house prices are plummeting, power companies have warned household energy bills may rise by more than 20 percent this winter and gas still costs more than $7 a gallon.

"Do you not think that we have enough problems of our own to worry about an election in the U.S.?" asks Sandy Williams, 64, a Briton who worked for five years as a cleaning supervisor at RAF Mildenhall.

"People are worried about how they're going to pay their heating bill. All of the things happening in this country with our own government – it's enough to make you stop watching the news and reading the papers to stop yourself from worrying," she said.

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It has always amazed me that, while people in other countries go ballistic if we Americans even comment on their "internal affairs," they never-the-less feel perfectly comfortable  telling us how to run our country, almost as a matter of right.  
All you cry baby McCain rednecks just crack me up! You act like Republicans don't raise taxes or cause kaos. You're voting for McCain for one reason and one reason only and it has nothing to do with politics or the good for our country.
Obama to win this Election will be the start of healing process for illegal war the US wrongly deceived the English to join. A healing to the whole citizens of the world and perhaps he will unite the world wounded citizens children and women with severe burning injuries from the war they did not ask for. If you have morals VOTE OBAMA TO END HUMAN RACE CRUELTY posed by not needed MILITARY ACTIONS. WE DONT WANT FEAR ALL WE WANT IS HOPE -  "OBAMA 08"
I am an Englishman that now lives in Florida. I can't believe the statement that most Brits find themselves appalled and puzzled with Sarah Palin. This woman would be the best thing that could happen to the US goverment along with McCain. Obama is a joke!! This guy is never gonna be able to take on such a high responsibilty with the lack of experience he has..
This country is going to get screwed,,,
GOD help us!!

Gary
How can people trust Obama!!!  He has charisma, he's tall, and he's young.  But that is ALL that he's got going for him!  He is going to turn this country around for change for sure...and it's not going to be good!

McCain/Palin
In this the last week of the campaign it is amazing to witness the amount of bigotry and ignorance that still exists in the U.S.. I am not refering to television, just conversations with folks I know here in Virginia.
I feel that the rest of the free world will be releived to finally have a U.S. president that will restore the tainted image of our republic. I know I will.
It's interesting to see how this election has ignited interest all over the world, and the impact it has on other regions and not just this nation. I do belive this is democracy at its best. I'm 46 and white, I'd never thought I would live long enough to see a woman or a black man on either  preidential ticket, and that one of them no matter the outcome would be in office.
Proud of this Country Dam Right.
Now we are listening to a group of pub owners who take money from our American soldiers.  First, I am offended that our soldiers are thought of as their gravy train.  Secondly, since the media has not let us see or hear McCain/Palin much in the USA, how much could Great Britain see on them vs. Obama?  Maybe if we heard from some of the other classes of British citizens and their views we would have a better idea of what Great Britain really thinks.  British citizens who do not make a profit from our military.
I have to say, those views do sum up our populace. Many of us liked McCain until Palin, but I think Obama is a better choice.
P.S Obama is not a communist, if he was a politician over here, he would probably be a Tory (Conservative Party)
Senator Obama keep doing what you are doing and in the end their is a star shinning just for you and i know one person who would be so proud and wish he could be here to see it and that man started it off his name is Martin Luther king Jr.so keep your head up because Martin luther king Jr was for right and so are you to some people it is about race but to you it is about helping the people and that means all people so if any one is proud of you i am for going out and standing up to prove and show the world their is a smart black educated man that is worthy of being president and that what scares these peoples ,their not looking at the problems we are having they are looking at race and john Mccain is loving every bit of it him and his side kick but i will tell both of them get out of the race you dont have a chance so pack up and leave because a new man is in town an his name is President OBama with his First lady Michell,good luck and my vote will and son and whole family and all friends will be on your side we love you ,you are our predisent
It's amazing how the conservative idiots can't see what clowns (GW) put us in this mess. Now they want another clown to pull us out. We'll be in a quag mire for sure with McCain. Viva Obama!!!
The more we care about what others think about the US election, the less independent we become!  You will never please everyone!  We affect every nation on this planet good or bad in one way or another! They want our help when it is needed and then jump on us when when we're not!  They get our hard earned dollars and send us nothing in return.  Pull the military back home so they can vote and protect our borders.  We have helped every economy on the globe prosper by buying their goods with our money.  It is time to grow our own food, make our own toys, drill our own oil, and just sit back and watch all these other countries economies dry up.  That is the only way we will get any respect for what we actually contibute to the world economy.  I don't care about other countries and who they would vote for in These Divided States of America!!
I work with the military everyday they are not the smartest people when it comes to Politics.  But W Cox Dallas Texas if you read the latest polls correctly younger Military enlisted are more likely to support Obama over Mcshame and Stalin Palin.  So you need to listen to more than Fox News.
I love how McCain followers always say that taxes and costs on EVERYTHING will double or triple when Obama gets into office, yet they have NOTHING to base this theory on.  
Before you go and ridicul Sarah Palin maybe you should ask someone from Alaska what they think of her.
I have and they absolutely love her. From what I was told she firmly believes in Power of the People. She let the citizens vote on wether they wanted to pay taxes or not. Sounds like a leader that actually believes in the principals that founded this great country.
John Salem NH

Britain has always had a propety tax, it was just called something else, "rates" and was based on property size and value.

PJ Springfield Mo

Says who. We have had foreign military presence in the Uk since the war, just as our military has a  presence in other countries

I grew
I have run a small busines for the past 18 years.  I am not an economics major but have lived in this environment long enough to make some observations based on experience.  I have no fear of an Obama presidency and actually welcome it.  My taxes have been lower with Bush than they were with Clinton but so is my income.  Giving me tax breaks will not encourage me to add employees or expand my business. I will simply put it in the bank.  Only increased demand for my services will cause me to expand my business. When the middle class is strong, so is my business as well as my income.  Paying another 3.6% in taxes will not affect my lifestyle in any way.  Joe The Plumber clearly never owned a small business.  My point is that Obama's tax increase is welcome to me.  The stratification of our wealth due to trickle down economics has damaged my business.  From 1930-1986 the upper tax rate varied from 50-94% and nobdy cried Socialism.  We can be the Roman Empire and continue to stratify the wealth until we fall or we can empower the hard working middle class and become an economic power once again.  Please, increase my taxes so I can make more money!
All of you Americans should watch and read other information from around the world.  Try watching BBC and some of the interviews with our soldiers over in IRAQ who hate being there.  All you ever see on US News is "we support our country"  Well most say it is a poor excuse for a war and needless people are dying all because of a republican ran government who are in the business to save all thier oil buddies and investments.  Obama needs to clean the house and start with a fresh new groups of faces who are not corrupt.  Don't know if there is anyone out there who fits that bill nowdays.
Let me say this...it is no that the media is pro-obama and anti-mccain. McCain had every opportunity to tell us what he is going to do for us and sadly he spends his debate and commercial time making attacks on obama rather than speaking about what he can do for us. I voted Barack, not only does the media like Barack...but so does the majority of this country (he is going to win by a landslide). I am so tired of republicans reaching for excuses as to why the democrats are leading this time around...we are tired of 8 years of a broken government, failed economics and Mccain is just the same. I am sure the Brits do like Obama more, how many of their people have died for George Bush's war? We are gonna win this time and you republicans are going to have to suck it up like we did in 2000 and 2004. By the way, McCain's health plan doesnt even make sense to a vast majority of republicans, and his idea to "stay the course" is ridiculous, and the rich helping the poor is not socialism...it is called fairness. Republicans just want the rich to stay rich, and the poor to stay poor and they are mad because we arent buying it this time. Rich people need the middle class to stay rich. We are the ones spending the money at Walmart so the stocks can go up, etc. You should want the middle class to have more money, and you can research this anywhere- Obama is not going to raise taxes on anyone that works. Thats is plain ignorance and exactly why McCain is behind- he is too busy spreading lies for any of us to know what he represents.
I'm an American citizen who was born and raised in England. I also lived in Canada for several years. I can honestly tell you that there is nothing worse than being ill, or having a child that is ill and you have no money to go to a doctor or hospital. Sometimes tragedies happen in life and you have nowhere else to turn but to seek help from the government, as embarassing as it may be. Everyone seeking help isn't lazy as the Republicans seem to think.  If you think a government supported health care system is wrong, think about who is controlling our health care system at the moment - yes, for-profit insurance companies are controling our doctors and hospitals. How insane is that!!!!

My vote is for Obama, a man that is in tune with the rest of us out there working around the clock to make ends meet. Not for John and Cindy McCain who are multi-millionaires - and as for his choice for Vice President - that should say it all. Is this woman for real?

I've been watching McCain for years (as an Arizona resident) and he is a condescending, arrogant, short-tempered, narrow-minded angry man. If you think this man is going to mend relations with the leaders of this world you are gravely mistaken, and if you think this isn't important, you are ignorant.

If we don't make some drastic changes in this country we are going to go down the tubes like England. Believe me, I know.
You know you guys are still only reporting one side of the story, WHY, This is the United State and it is called free press.  Well just like the tape that the
Los Angles time/ or press have and will not show it and tell the whole truth. what a shame we have to live in county like this.
FOR THE TRUTH.
All the misinformed bloggers to this item are appalling, the ones who are believing the lies of the McCain-Palin disaster.  Friends in Britain, Sweden and Israel cannot believe that the U.S. could actually be dumb enough to vote in those two.  Obama is solid, puts the people first, and has the best tax proposals that will benefit the most people, the average American.  We and the world are in the current dire circumstance because of the deregulation of Gramm (McCain's campaign co-chair), Greenspan (Republican), Bush (supported by McCain on economic policies).  Base your decisions on fact, People, not on lies.  The only hope we have of getting out of this economic mess is through the intelligence and leadership of Obama and those with whom he will confer.  He has demonstrated his executive experience through the outstanding campaign he's waged over two years and the rock-solid, never wavering stance on major issues.  He has further demonstrated his ability to adapt when needed.  Obama is the leader this country and the world requires, especially at this time.  Even with their own problems, most of the world yearns for what Obama will bring.
So why do most of these pro-McCain comments make fun of Obama's name as their argument? Now on socialism, McCain just backed the 700 billion dollar bail out. If that is not Socialism I do not know what is.

Time to bring the country together instead of splitting it in two; we are in an economic crisis and need to work together. Now which candidate with their views will unite the country? I did not realize their was a pro-America and an Anti-America parts of the country. Lets fix the economy first then we can go back to the partisan attacks and name calling that some politicians relish in doing.
Ian makes an excellent point.  The negative onslaught from the McCain campaign and his supporters has done him harm.

Shouldn't there be a focus on showing us why we should choose McCain instead of just telling me why I shouldn't pick obama?  Negative advertising (and tasteless rumor perpetuation) has turned this libertarian completely off to McCain...  
I find it difficult to believe that any human cannot understand the concept.... That if all your people are Healthy and Educated, then the country can do nothing else but prosper. Government should be responsible for ensuring this.Universal Health Care like we have here in Canada, allows everyone to have a chance. No one ever goes bankrupt or loses anything if they are ill. Access to the most expensive surgery, Transplants etc. is denied to no one. Our Doctors, I believe are better able to handle any situation as they see every situation.
I believe anyone who wants any degree of education should get it at the states expense. Better to spend those war dollars educating than fighting a war only meant to line Haliburton's and other Bush cronies wallets. The Middle East would love to see the U.S. bankrupt itself into a third world, spending it's money overseas and letting it's own people suffer.

Social Welfare reform, spending money on education and healthcare, affordable homes and green energy policies sounds like a winner to me. Wish we had someone with vision in Canada. We have the largest reserves of oil sands in the world, we are your neighbours....................imagine what we could do working together instead of fighting in world courts about Tarrifs on softwood lumber...
the us airforce is welcome hear in england. the us guys are a great bunch of people, better than the socialist people we have in this country, i wish i was american, please do not vote in  the liberal obama
hes like our lefty government, republicans and the usa forever
I just got back from spending a month in Scotland & Ireland, and let me tell you--the quotes in this story disparaging McCain, Palin, and Bush are very representative of the feelings over there. Every single person who talked to us about politics in both countries--young, old, business owners, cab drivers, shop employees, B&B owners, Protestants, Catholics, every last person--is appalled by McCain-Palin, disgusted by Bush's record, and is amazed that anyone here would not vote for Obama. To them, it's not about some specific ideology, it's just common sense. This country is sinking under the weight of racist, xenophobic, black-and-white, with-us-or-against-us stupidity, and the rest of the world sees it loud and clear.
I lived at Lakenheath for 5 years. It is a special and interesting place where two cultures come together. I learned a great deal about the world and appreciating different points of view during my years there. It is also quite a beautiful place, something the article fails to mention. The bases there are of such strategic (and historic) significance, I seriously doubt that the American presence will ever be removed entirely, although a reduction in the number of personnel could occur.

I'll always remember the places in and around Lakenheath with great fondness.
I will look at who the hollywood elite, the biased media, europeans, and terrorists want to be the new president and then vote the opposite because they know exactly what the United States of America stands for and don't like it.  God, Family, Country. "Land of the free, home of the brave."  God Bless America.
The military does NOT overwhelming support Senator McCain.  At my home station, and my deployed location now (Iraq) it's fairly even between both candidates.  Although, it does take some work to get people to speak about their choices.  The military has a culture of "vote Republican or be an outcast".  People should not be fearful about their choices --- it IS a free country, right?

Some of the older NCOs I've spoken with support McCain solely due to party line -- and they admit to that freely.  Their view is that Republicans historically take care of the military better.  They're voting for themselves, and I can't blame anyone for that.  Some are voting that way because they're being pressured to.  I also know some junior enlisted being pressured by younger Lieutenants to vote McCain "because it's the right thing to do", and a few to vote Obama based on their ideals (no matter if they're wrong or right).

Any polls of the military are going to be skewed.  There's too much top-pressure and fear to speak up.  

Hi there US friends.

I can tell the US voters that I am English living in the UK. we need a McCain Victory! Olbama is very weak on foreign issues, he is a typical PR man. Not so sure of what he stands for at all.

Like you we have banking problems but our national security surly must come first.

Before you all vote listen to McCain he really understands your problems and he is the only one talking sense, Please Vote wisely.
We americans need the ultra wealthy in Great Britain, Switzerland, and the Netherlands from funding the most corrupt politicians in the US.  Most of our unethical "American" corporations are actually majority owned by just a few European families that claim not to dabble in any politics.  It is incredible to watch protests against the US in European countries that treat the culprits as gods.
Always so interesting to hear people's viewpoints who are not living in the fishbowl!  I have never been to England but it sounds like people's opinions are spot-on.  It saddens me to see my fellow Americans react so derisively towards Senator Obama, who I early-voted for here in conservative Western North Carolina because I really want the USA to go in a new direction and stop getting steamrolled into the ground by fear-mongering and small minded people!
 As a father of a MC Corp. I hope my son's vote gets thru. As a independent I punched the big "D" all the way down the card this year. Some things need to change.
Well.  All interesting.  Quite a few of the people who have commented, clearly have no idea of the world outside the US...or the importance of accepting that there is a world outside the US.  On the other hand, it's heartening to see some real thinking going on by a few 'commenters'. As an American who has lived in the UK for 20 years, I can say:
*the US has bases in the UK because it protects US interests in Europe...and gives them a quick place from which to launch an attack.
*the UK has as much right to a view about US politicians as anyone -- unfortunately, due to America's financial power, they suffer the consequences...but looks like that may be changing!
*I'm constantly embarassed by the lack of intelligence exhibited by Americans -- get a grip.  The US may have 'ruled the world' for 100 years, but 100 years in the great scheme of things is nothing...as others from the Romans to the Americans have or will experience, it's all part of the ebb and flow of our world experience  
*Having spent 9 years at RAF Lakenheath, I am ashamed to say that many of my fellow Americans never ventured beyond 'Little America' (the base). They would spend 3-4 years on the base, and never try to take part in the local communities...then they would return to the US and say 'I hated England'.  They never knew it.
*All the world can hope is that Americans WILL exhibit intelligence and vote on ISSUES, not PERSONALITIES, and that they will take the view that they are only one part of a bigger world -- and we all impact each other, whether we like it or not.
Sorry... waking up...I just had the strangest dream...
Britain's "property tax" that McCain's team bemoans the community charge (Poll Tax) introduced by Margaret Thatcher.
The Britons may hope that the rifts will heal, but frankly, they are just going to get worse, and the divide will look like the Grande Canyon. Don't hold your breath waiting.
It appears the comments have gotten off-topic a bit.

Let me be the first to say, that whichever candidate becomes president, the world will not explode as a result. That's the beauty of a republic. If we make a mistake, we can change it in 4 years.

However, Obama being elected seems to be the choice of the world. And no I don't think it's "liberal media" only reporting support for Obama (grow a brain!)

I still haven't decided who to vote for. I like both candidates. However, Collin Powell's statements are making a lot of sense with me. I admire that Obama has a talent for uniting. Speaking of dividing you are seeing the social conservatives getting fed up with the wacko conservatives (Republicans take note!)
I am from Britain, from a normal middle class family and to be honest no one I know really cares about the US elections, but for some reason it’s always on the news and in the media. Of course they portray Obama as the one to vote for but I think we have more important things to think about. I agree, I do not see any reason for a US military base in the UK, and I truly believe its time we got our heads out of Americas arse. We should be more independent, as you did so yourselves, from us.
I never could understand why the US needed to have bases and troops in Britain and Germany and the cost of maintaining those bases. Oh, was it to protect us from the Russians? Oh, why worry? Now that Gov. Pailin can see Russia from her front porch we can be sure she will shoot and skin any Russian bear that ventures across the Bearing Sea and into her view. Now McCain will have a different solution - they seem to be at odds more often than not  these days. John S. McCain likely will propose a surge in the number of troops in Europe to encircle Russia with anti balistic bases just like his hero, George W. Bush.  
I just want to let you know that a lot of the british people dont like the americans! There are many places that we are banned from going into. I just thought people should know how it really is over here cuz in the artical it makes it sound like we are oh so loved over here. but in reality around base we are despised by most.
Those of you voting for Obama, you might as well move to England, that's what he will turn the US into. Why did we fight all these wars for independance and all those dead soldiers, so we can vote to be just like England.  Makes me sick to my stomach.  No spine wimps! Socialists get out!!!!!
Another article in support of Obama, like he is the second coming or something.  My dad was in the military for over 30 years, I lived in the states and in foreign countries.  I was always happy to come home to the country I love.  It makes me sad to see and hear that so many Americans are embracing socialism.  Our lives will change drastically once Obama is in the White House and it will not be for the good.  God help us all.  
Thank you , Airborne in NC!  My husband is a retired AF Colonel and served in Viet Nam flying too...Air Rescue. Unlike John McCain...he is a very humble man...and I know he risked his life and I am so thankful he came home alive.
Watching John McCain in this election...he has lost all respect for John McCain...and he is registered as a  Republican... and is not voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. He also says that if John McCain had been in the Air Force when he crashed those jets (excuse my language... just screwing around) he would have been thrown out!  The lies and false rhetoric coming from Palin and McCain is disturbing and disgraceful.Check this fact out folks....  The Vets gave John McCain a "D" for his work in congress for the vets... it's time to get a grip folks...the military is much much smarter than you think! Thank God!!
There was a great politician once. He promised peace, prosperity,pride in his nation,and economic growth. He was a great speaker and enchanted a cultural society. He did all this in the middle of a depression. sound familiar? nope not Obama. give you a hint. It was in Germany.
First, to gaylen goettsch washta ia:  I have been an admirer of McCain for many years, and was excited when he entered the race.

You appear to feel likewise, in your contribution "I would prefer a president that talked poorly and thought clearly, than one that spoke clearly and thought poorly."

The difficulty I have with that proposition is that McCain has not only not been as effective a speaker, but he also has not shown consistently great thought.  For instance, when I first learned he had selected Palin as his running mate, I thought there was real potential there, though I had the reservation that I knew nothing about her.  Now, even McCain's own advisers are grousing about her.  And there are respected other figures in the Republican Party who are already hunkering down wondering how in the world the party is going to get over this one.  I understand (I think) why McCain made his completely unexpected choice -- Palin's personal biography has some attractive, fascinating elements, she's young, and she sure gets attention.

Unfortunately for her, much of that attention hasn't been all that great, and I'm talking about outside the media.  I have many friends who are dyed-in-the-wool Republicans who are keeping to the party line but who also are moaning, asking of one and all, "What in the *world* was McCain thinking?"

BTW, Alaskans get more federal money per capita than any other state, plus they get rather plump direct cash benefits from the state itself.  Scarcely qualifies as Republican economic orthodoxy, does it?

Not that Obama gets off the hook and looks as pure as the driven snow.  His $250,000 threshold conveniently ignores the fact that the figure is for a married couple -- the figure for a single person is 20% less, at $200,000.  His health-care plans are economically questionable as well; there, McCain's plan sounds better, or at least less bad, I will say.

A personal bias I have is that I live abroad (Bangkok), and my Thai and friends from countries outside the U.S. largely wonder what McCain might be able to do to restore America to its global respectability, something Bush has pretty well trashed.  (And before those who would like to see a Fortress America object, just look at the example of "Fortress North Korea" to contemplate where that slippery slope might lead.  Probably not anywhere to the same degree, since we won't have a nation-sized Disneyland run by a cast of cartoon Goofy's running our country, unlike what North Korea suffers.)

And to Rachel J: You wrote "He is under suspicion of not even being a US citizen and he wants to make the US a capitalistic society."  Check with any immigration lawyer.  So long as Obama's Mother's citizenship is beyond dispute and so long as there's no evidence he's *not* her son, he is a U.S. citizen (birth certificate or not).  I've had quite a few American friends living abroad with foreign spouses who had children born before the Mother could get to a hospital, making a birth certificate problematic, at best.  Yet, not one of those offspring has been denied American citizenship, nor, indeed, had much trouble obtaining it.  Sure, in the absence of a birth certificate there were some extra hoops to leap through, but at the end of the day, they got their citizenship -- without exception.  As for the latter half of your comment -- "he wants to make the US a capitalistic society" -- I'm a bit puzzled.  Most of the Obama bashers I've read (meaning hundreds, maybe thousands) have accused him of wanting to turn America into a communist/socialist/Islamic state.  To be accused of wanting a capitalistic society in America hardly seems a condemnation that resonates with the American public.

I personally wouldn't have mind if an impossible ticket had been possible: Obama-McCain, or McCain-Obama.  Each has his strengths, just as each has his weaknesses -- and their respective strengths and weaknesses play well against each other, in many instances.

Lastly, a general comment, though it doesn't apply to everyone contributing here.  The venom of the debate in this election cycle has been deeply disturbing to me.  I've seen friends who share friendships of many years nearly come to blows, and in a few cases, become so bitterly estranged I'm doubtful they'll be able to patch things up again -- ever.  Not much in the way of "civil discourse" there, is there?

So, how did I vote?  For the Presidency, Vice-Presidency, and one local office I voted for one party; for every other single office I voted for the other party.  My point being that I'm beholden to neither.  And which is which is something that just might surprise you.
How striking that most of the negative comments here about Senator Obama repeat the egregious lies about his supposed "socialist" and "marxist" tendencies.
I'm in one of the biggest countries and dont be fooled by polls. The majority of the military does "support McCain". Maybe a few officiers here and there (that eventually want to be in politics)but as I take a look around I see and hear more people talk about the darker side of having Obama in the Whitehouse. He will bring us down
If all the  world were to be allowed to elect the US president, Obama would win with atleast 92% of the votes.His views on foreign policy seem to resonate well with the rest of the world and may help America  reclaim its position in world affairs. Please Americans,elect Obama and restore your  image,that is so far in danger, as the Greatest country in the world.
Being British I we have to admit that America is the major contributor to changes in the world.  Your economy, foreign policy, military etc, and therefore you politics dominates everything we do.  America goes to war, Britain goes to war with it.  America has a financial crisis, then so does Britain.

Essentially (and these words really get stuck in my troat), whoever leads America leads the world.  Therefore your politics becomes our politics.  Now we don't care about your local politics but we do care about what your politics does to our economy and foreign policy.

Sadly your current President is not liked across the world (for a variety of reasons), lets just be thankful that whoever wins next week at least sounds intelligent!  We will be watching very closely!


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