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Germans hoping to get past ‘Bush-fatigue’

Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:47 AM
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MAINZ, Germany – It's not surprising Germans are fascinated with the American election; it's colorful and flashy when compared with the usually staid German political process.

Even German politicians admit that they are impressed by the numbers of supporters at U.S. campaign events and especially envy the American parties' financial budgets.

"There are clearly cultural and structural differences between the two countries. In Germany, for example, the entire election spending of all parties adds up to only $85 million," said Dirk Metz, a spokesperson for the local state government in Wiesbaden, in comparison to the hundreds of millions spent by both the Democrats and the Republicans in their race for the White House.

VIDEO: Germans looking for a 'change' in U.S. relations via the new president

But, in general, Germans are clearly just interested in American politics. When the candidates' television debates were shown recently in the early morning hours in Germany – the usually marginal middle-of-the-night ratings surged.

The interest likely stems from the desire among the general public in Germany to overcome what has been dubbed "Bush-fatigue." A generally negative sentiment towards the Bush administration that has been nurtured over the past eight years by Germany's anti-war stance, as well as the "old Europe" and "with us or against us" remarks by U.S. officials.

But while many Germans favor the fresh face of Sen. Barack Obama, it's yet to be seen if he is really the best candidate for German interests.

Obama-mania
Germany and the United States have enjoyed close political ties for decades, a transatlantic friendship that grew after the end of World War II. Pictures of the Berlin Airlift, economic support through America's Marshall Plan and historic speeches by former U.S. presidents, such as John F. Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner," and Ronald Reagan's "Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall!", still trigger vivid memories for many Germans – especially among those living in the once-divided capital, Berlin.

So it should come as no surprise that Germany would seem like fertile ground for a speech by a U.S presidential candidate. But, even optimistic experts were surprised to see Obama's speech draw a crowd of more than 200,000 people when he visited Berlin in July.  

Most likely the crowds were drawn by a mixture of curiosity about the new-kid-on-the-block, the sense of a possibly historic moment, and media hype over controversy about the speech location.

But really, other than bad news about the world's financial meltdown, the U.S. presidential race has dominated German magazines and newspaper headlines for months – with Obama usually portrayed as a positive change, and Sen. John McCain usually less so.

Both candidates have been featured as cover stories in Germany's top-selling Der Spiegel magazine. The German weekly described Obama's popularity as "The Messiah Factor, Barack Obama and the yearning for a new America" in a front-page feature.

But when McCain got his Der Spiegel cover moment, the headline was "The Cold Warrior," suggesting that McCain is yet another representative of Bush's unpopular foreign policies – not exactly the "messiah" moment Obama was treated to.

Manfred Goertemaker, a professor at the University of Potsdam, explained that justified or not, many of the negative feelings Germans feel for President Bush have rubbed off on McCain.

"In the past eight years, the German media and the German public have been very critical toward George W. Bush. This negative image also reflects on the Republican Party as a whole and therefore Germans clearly favor Mr. Obama," said Goertemaker.

There is no doubt that a majority of Germans back Obama. A recent poll by the German Marshall Fund shows that 69 percent of Europeans favor Obama, while only 26 percent support the significantly less well known McCain. Likewise, a BBC News world poll found that 61 percent of Germans favored Obama over McCain. And Reader's Digest Global Presidential Poll found that a full 85 percent of Germans support Obama, over just 7 percent for McCain.  

Who would be better for Germany?
But, popularity left aside, who would be better for Germany?

Experts warn that Obama would not necessarily be an "easy president" when it comes to German interests. In regard to the mission in Afghanistan, for example, Obama has repeatedly called for stronger European commitment, while Germany and other European nations have been hesitant to increase troop levels and support combat missions.

"For the general public, and even some German politicians, the candidates' stances on foreign policy and their actual political programs are still very nebulous, but many experts say that McCain knows Europe much better than Obama," explained Goertemaker.

McCain has actually been a regular visitor to the annual Munich Security Conference, which gave him opportunities to meet with European politicians and security experts in the past. And, his advisor for transatlantic issues is Richard Burt, who served as U.S. ambassador to Germany between 1985 and 1989.

And there are a number of foreign policy challenges that could still lead to tensions between Europe and the United States, regardless of who is the next president – differences in opinion over the relationship with Russia, how to handle Iran, the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the financial crisis are just a few of the issues that could rattle trans-Atlantic relations.

Given the results of a number of recent polls, there is a very good chance that America's overall image will improve on an international level, if Obama wins in November. But, experts here in Germany say that enthusiasm for Obama might not necessarily translate into closer transatlantic ties.

"If Obama is elected, it is likely that Germans will experience an anticlimax after a few months because many expectations were projected on Mr.Obama – expectations which he may have difficulties fulfilling," Christoph von Marschall, the Washington correspondent for Berlin's Tagesspiegel newspaper and author of a book about Obama, cautioned at a discussion about the U.S. elections here this week.

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Obama clearly a breath of fresh air for the world!  I'm sure he won't let us down.  Its a new day in the world.  Germans choosing a man of color. In Retrospect all of Bush's wrong decisions made way for Obama gain. Thanxz to your ignorance it leveled the playin field!
Who cares what German citizens think?  Since when should the opinions of other countries citizens interest us?  Americans have virtually no interest in who gets elected in Germany: they should return the favor.
Clearly the liberal media pushes their socialist agenda not only here in the US but around the world.  
I don't think Obama has proved yet, but on the other hand, I don't think he can't be worse than Bush either.
Bush was an abhorrent aberration from traditional transatlantic security agreements. Obama or McCain will do well to restore the cooperative nature of our relationship with Germany and the rest of Europe.  This is not to say we will agree with one another on all issues but the discussions will be held in an atmosphere of friendship and respect.  Unfortunately, much time and money has been wasted by the mental midget whose tenure is, thankfully, almost over.
Every time I read something about Obama, I feel as if I am reading an Orwell novel. He is not going to save anyone. He will make big government bigger.As a life long Democrat, I am shocked that Democrats do not see him for who he really is. This is the end of our country as we know it and the world will suffer for our mistake.
Yeah Pete, maybe we need to send Reverend Wright over as ambassador to Germany?  Or Bill Ayers?  Saint Barack please save us from ourselves!  We have lost our way......and intelligence as well....obviously..
Barack Obama will be good for Germany and all the peoples of the world. Barack Obama will be the most popular president in US history.
Americans and people around the world are ready for a change. It seems that politics as they are currently, get in the way of what the average American Citizen would like in terms of our relations with other nations. Obama seems to represent that change. He is willing to sit down and have dialogue which is a start.
What will happen when terrorism of a large magnitude starts knocking on the German's door step? I wonder if they will feel like most Americans? These questions will only be answered when they have to deal with the international terrorism issues on a large scale! I'm happy that the German people are interested in American politics, but Barack Obama is not the answer to international relations! Barack has limited to little international relations. Mccain on the other hand is an American hero, and in respect knows the international arena more than any other canidate including the Libertarians, and the Green Party. Let's let the person with the most experience run this country, and that is not an eloquently speaking Barack Obama!!!!!
There have been 32 serious down turns in the American economy the last 150 years. 149 under the Republicans and one under the Democrats. 149 recoveries with Democrats in power. If this were a betting situation I know where I would place my bet.
Al, while I dont think he's likely to be judged "Best Pres ever" (especially with high expectations meeting the reality of a train wreck economy) I'm sure any idiot can do better than Shrub.  

I find it irritating to see the stunningly ignorant attitude of "who cares what they (other countries) think"... YES, it DOES matter....especially when we try to get cooperation from allies in areas like intelligence sharing, joint troop commitments, overflight permission (remember the Libya raids??) and a host of other issues that most NeoCons find beyond their grasp. We cant be seen as the Worlds Cowboys any more...
As American politics affect somehow every citizen on this earth, it does matter, what other countries citizen feel. I think we should be aware and pround that the world is interested in our political process.As German soldiers fight in Afghanistan and die there for a war largly on behalf of the American people, of course Germans are interested in American politics.Over 200 000 Germans came spontan to a rally in Berlin to hear Obama speak. Again, that should make us proud as Americans. Obama represents a new era and mostly young German people envy us for Obama.
I enjoy reading comments from those who believe the downfall of our country will happen if Obama is elected.  The downfall of our country has already happened 4 years ago, when we re-elected the now most unpopular president in US History.  

With McCain, we will have at least 4 more years of the same issues we're having now.  Just ask yourselves, those who believe our country is heading for a downfall with Obama...can you really stand four more years of...well...this?
"Who cares what the Germans citizens think"? You should care, Rick. I don't know if you got the memo but, we are not the only people that inhabit this planet. Other countries look to us for leadership...let's start acting like leaders and start showing some respect to the other people that live on this too.
I think the ability of a new U.S. president to make all things right is a fantasy. No matter who is elected the U.S. is in for a rough few years due to the financial greed of OPEC and the oil companies who sucked every dollar of discretionary income out of society world wide. Now everyone except those who have a monopoly will suffer due to the financial greed of a few.
200 000 Germans did not come to hear Obama speak, they came because of a free concert was offered - with Obama speaking first (a little difference)
*sigh*

Whatever happened to EARNING your position?

This election has made me despise the media and marketing world. Senator Obama's greatness is merely all smoke and mirrors...but that's exactly what the modern world generally believes in now. Sitcom elections- thats where we are now.. and clearly shown by Germany's interest. It's like turning on some reality show everyday.

God help us. The TV generation is voting.

Only one candidate has truly earned his right to be in this election and half the country disregards experience and true leadership and would rather just take the shiny, new toy.

If you think it's bad now, wait til smoke and mirrors is in charge.
If Obama wins, and after the celebratory riots die off and the liberal hangover wears off, sometime next summer probably, a lot of people will probably go what the heck have we gotten ourselves into.
Yes Barak Obama is almost like God for USA.
He can transform USA into a likable nation, he can cut tax on 95% of people, he can make health care affordable to everyone, he can make most young kids going to college and etc...

After all he only serves in the Senate for 3 years and 2 years spending resources on his election to the white house and he almost succeed with that.

Come, guys!!
What credentials does he have to prove to you that do  he can do all of that other than to talk his way into the white house.
Your guys are yearning too much of a change and dreaming too much...
The grass in the other house is always greener than my house, is it not?
Hey deeply saddened, don't forget Palen in that smoke and mirrors comment. She's a heart beat away from being in charge. She's such a shiny new toy that doesn't know what her job entails.

By the way, Rick, it's a global economy. That's why we should worry about who leads any country.
GERMANS HOPING TO GET PAST ‘BUSH-FATIGUE’ is the title of this article. But I believe that from Colin Powell to the rest of America we all suffer from Bush-Fatigue. I can’t wait until this election is over. Like a low grade migraine headache that slowly disappears - it’ll feel good to feel good again.
I just spent 3 years living in Germany.  I recently spoke with a German woman who said, "I live in a 'free' country, but I am not free."  These were her words about her own country. Germany is a socialist nation. Is it any wonder their media portrays Obama in such a positive light? Really, he reflects their political agenda. Thankfully, there are still many Americans, about half of this country, that stand for true freedom and want government control limited!
I knew the rest of the world would like him. He's not a republican. I do find it interesting that people who like Obama think he's the next messiah, and people that don't think he's a communist, islamic terrorist come to detsroy us all. I think you'll find the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

As far as big government goes, don't be dilluded, both parties have bloated government and neither will stop it, not even McCain. At least the dems pay their bills.
God help us if Obama is elected.Haven't you read the
quotes in his books. As far as Obama being a leader,
I doubt he could lead a band of sheep into the sheep
shed out of a hail strom.
It's amazing how much we do not recognize our importance and leadership on the world stage. Whereas the choice of a US President is our own issue, our national and international policies affects the whole world. That's how US world leadership comes in. So, it no accident that the whole world gets interested in our election. We must never underrate the national gains which accompany a good international American image. In this historic moment, it will be foolhardy to fail to notice that Obama's Presidency will potentially be the one to re-launch a more effective American leadership on the world stage.
Ursala, I live in Germany and I was there. I can tell you in no uncertain terms, they did not come for the free beer (it wasn't free) or a concert by some no-name people. They traveled from all over Europe, to hear Obama speak.  What you're saying is a rumor. It was hot, people were tired from standing for hours, it was crowded and people were not standing around for a free concert by some z-listers. Don't insult Europeans, they do have better things to do with their time.
Of course the Europeans are leaning toward Obama.  He is a Socialist.  The Germans have Bush fatigue, I have entitlement class fatigue and I don’t want to live in a Nanny State, where big government, driven by the elitist class, tells me how to live my life.  I’d write more but I have to get back to my JOB.
"Who cares what German citizens think?"  I do and I am a proud American!  That is a totally insular comment by an ignorant person who does think outside their own little world.  Get a clue, we are competing not just on a national level but on a global level. AND all you who spout of on the 'Liberal' socialist agenda.  Get a clue,  the republicans just passed a socialist bailout for the rich!  
I think whoever is elected President, the American people should hold the newly elected president accountable of all the promises made by that person & their administration. It's time that great promises are actually put into action to benefit Americans and the world. If not, we should take action before things get even worse!
DSTS, you don't think Obama has "earned" his position? Really?? He took on and beat the Clintons, a political powerhouse. He is getting people across this country excited about politics again. He has raised more money (w/o donations from special interest, PAC, and lobbiest). These are truely amazing accomplishments. I agree with you that John McCain is a great American however; he shows very poor judgement for someone that is seeking the Presidency of the United States. Palin is a joke. She is running for VP yet, has no clue what the job entails? OMG!!! Yeah, I want her running things. Lastly, let's just stop EVERYTHING and concentrate on one issue at a time e.g. John McCain on the economy. We'll never get anything accomplished at that rate. Face it, Obama has the youth and vigor to get things done and that is what we need more than anything right now. It's about the future...not the past (McCain). GET OVER IT! OBAMA/BIDEN ALL THE WAY!!  
Here we go again.. Obama as the Messiah factor. How many false Messiahs have there been. He is not a Savior of anything. With about 150 days as a senator with nothing to show for it. Like all false prophets, he's a smooth talker, promising a better tomorrow and great change. The great change will be the closest thing to a socialist government this nation has ever seen. A true Democrat with more government involvement. AJE in Ft. Meyer said the downfall of the US has already happened. Really? Was that President Bush's fault or the real culprits The Senate, Congress? You know the ones that have to pass all the legislation. A President can't do it on his own. Everyone thinks that McCain is another Bush. As he was quoted in the debate "Mr Obama if you wanted to run against George Bush you should have done it four years ago.". To our German friends, I admit the Bush years may not have been kind to you, but (and I hope all you Democrats are listening!) John McCain is NOT George Bush!
To Bryce Hilton..
Sir,...your ignorance speaks volumes!!! Germany faced terrorism long before the US did! It faced it in the Baader-Meinhof and Roter Armee Faktion. When Germany, along with other European ountries such as Britain (against the IRA..to whom many Americans contributed to) and Spain (the ETA), suggested better international co-ordination against terrorist moements and groups, the US arrogantly wrinkled its nose...what us??? terrorists can not attack us..not our problem....until 9/11. Then all of a sudden, the world had to quick jump on board the Bushie bandwagon. A disgusted (with the US) American who lived for mny years in Germany!
Hmm, worry about what the world thinks in our elections... let us not forget who else supports obama - N Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, China, Iran, the palestinians, Al-Jazeera, the taliban, bin laden, and terrorists world wide. yes they all also support obama.
McCaint lost my vote when he picked Pallin for his running mate.  Just showed that his thinking is part of the political process that got us to where we are today.  Pallin was a pick to win votes not to help govern as everyone would lead you to believe was the case.  At least Biden could be useful advisor toour next president.
George Bush didn't create 9-11 or Islamic terrorism.  Remember, those terrorist cells were active in Germany long before the UN approved military action to oust Saddam Hussein.  If the citizens of Germany think they are immune to the chaos in the middle east, why are there terror cells operating in Germany?
With Obama as President I hope the US can move beyond NATO and the Cold War and quit worrying about protecting Germany and the rest of Europe from the Russian bear. Enough already! WWII is over. Let Europe protect itself. For that matter, of what strategic importance is Afghanistan? It has no oil and no Osama. Pull the troops and let the war lords fight it out like they have for centuries.
*sigh*

Whatever happened to EARNING your position?

That went out the window when Bush won his first term...
Response to RICK.  We should care what other countries think of the USA - Your comment is a typical Rep. remark.  If Bush/Cheney had cared, we wouldn't be disliked by soooo many people  around the world.  Obama/Biden 08
Who is happy with Bush??

Name one accomplishment
Obama will be a grater chane tha Mc Cain
When unemployment start rising in the US to get closer to EU levels, and taxes are raised to fund liberal policies, then people will long for the good old Bush years. Remember, Reagan was the devil incarnate, until years later when he became a legend.

I predict calls for impeachment of Obama in his first term - by liberals. Mark my words.


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