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India asks what election means for ‘world’s back office’

Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:00 AM
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NEW DELHI – As Election Day approaches, India is looking nervously at the United States. Pundits here are asking how big an impact the U.S. economic downturn will have on the booming outsourcing business, and how the next U.S. president will react to pressures to protect American jobs.

Anamika Wani, a business consultant in Mumbai, India’s financial capital, says she's liked Sen. Barack Obama ever since she heard him speak while she was visiting California.

 

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But she says many in India are wary of him. "A lot of the Indian economy has come about through outsourcing," she told me. "Because the U.S. has been willing to shift business centers out of the country. So if that reverses, then there would be a fall in the economy and job losses here, so from that perspective, I think a lot of people don’t favor some of Obama’s policies." 

Many see Sen. John McCain as more committed to free trade, which will keep the outsourcing work flowing to India.

Closely tied to the U.S. economy
Outsourcing is now a multi-billion dollar industry here. If China is the workshop of the world, than India has become its back office, doing everything from working the phones in call centers to transcribing U.S. doctors’ notes and tutoring American students.

There are two schools of thoughts here: either Indian companies will have less work as the slowdown bites, or else more work will be sent to India to keep U.S. costs down. A great deal of backroom legal work takes place in India, and some canny entrepreneurs are already positioning themselves for a flood of work related to bankruptcy and litigation as a result of the meltdown on Wall Street.

What’s harder for them to calculate is the politics, and the enormous pressure on the next president to keep jobs at home.

"We are getting so much more integrated," said Dr. Usha Tuteji, a professor of agriculture at Delhi University. "What happens in the U.S. affects the overall welfare of the globe."

She told me that the close interest in the election this year is not only the result of the candidacy of Obama, but also because of the growing numbers of Indians studying in the U.S. "Many middle-class families send their children to the U.S. or U.K. to study, so we’ve become more curious about what’s happening on the other side of the world."

Nuke deal
Aside from Wall Street’s woes, the other big news from America has been the signing of a nuclear accord that allows American businesses to sell nuclear fuel, technology and reactors to India. This reversed a three-decade ban on atomic trade with India, imposed after New Delhi carried out its first atomic test in 1974 and refused to sign nonproliferation accords.

The nuclear deal was the result of three years of often difficult political and diplomatic wrangling. The two countries have had a prickly relationship, but the deal seems to signal a new beginning.

"India and the U.S. are coming close economically and diplomatically," said Dr. Nirmal Jindel, Professor of Political Science at Delhi University. "It is very important that India and American should have a strong relationship in the future, so the U.S. election means a lot for us."

There is also a sense here that Obama might be easier to deal with, in spite of suspicions about his commitment to free trade (or outsourcing, from the Indian perspective). "Obama, he doesn’t appear to be so hard core," Jindel told me. She thinks Obama might engage more constructively with the world.

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It's hard for me to garnish sympathy for another country when there are plenty of our citizens are having trouble currently here in the States
I hope whomever is elected president, either way the outsourcing of jobs will cease.  I'm tired of seeing people struggle to find work in the US and our economy go down the drain while our dollars are financing booming economies in other countries.
Another "Entitlement Program" in the making.  India has become too dependant on the U.S. and wants the U.S. to guarantee its "oligarchs".

Just a few months ago, many in India were crowing about how they were overtaking the U.S.
If we don't stop this outsourcing then we better be ready to outsource the future of our children and grandchildren. Outsourcing the "American Dream" while the Wall Street fat cats get fatter.
With unemployment in our country, I hope the "back office" makes a comeback to its own home.
outsourcing is not booming, as it was in the 90s. that doesn't mean it's not happening, but it's not a rush of the lemmings as it once was.

many firms are bringing those positions back to the US for a variety of reasons, including the fact that anticipated savings did not materialize and customer complaints.
As someone who's likely to lose his IT job to outsourcing within the next year or so, I'm struggling to shed a tear over the concerns of Indian call center workers.

I'll be happy if a President Obama slows the flood of jobs overseas - but I'm not holding my breath.

I'd just like to know who decided that America can live without a middle class anymore.
I reiterate my position on "free trade" and outsourcing: when American businesses close down America-based operations, and leave American workers stranded without financial assistance, our Govt should in effect say " Good luck, but don't bring your products back here for sale"-
We didn't take India to raise.  The President of the United States is supposed to be OUR advocate.  If "engaging with the world" means turning Americans into poor people, then THAT person needs to be run out on a pole.
we here in the u.s. are fighting to keep what few middle-class jobs remain here.this so-called "free trade" has a negative effect on working class america.
Another good reason to vote for Obama!
The financial meltdown in the US is likely to soon cause significant unemployment in all sectors.  The new President, whether it be McCain or Obama, is likely to reduce outsourcing to preserve US jobs.  For too long, both India and China have been too dependent on using their cheap labor to encourage outsourcing of US manufacturing, technical and office jobs.  It's time for both countries to pursue economic growth via their respective domestic economies, and help boost US jobs by revaluing their currencies to buy American products.
To answer an earlier question, union-buster Ronald Reagan  and long-standing Republican policies have behind the destruction of the middle-class.  I am another worker who has watched my co-worker's jobs go to India, and I expect that my job will eventually go there as well. This outsourcing of jobs is toxic to corporate culture, leaving the remaining workers angry and fearful.
It's very simple.  Keep the jobs in the US.  Other countries need to find their own way to sustain employment for their citizens.
LS-We can't live without a middleclass. The is what is happening right now. We have been downsized, rightsized and smartsized out of our jobs and our spending power. Who did these companies think would buy their products?
I do not know what these guys are talking about. The protectionist "intellectuals" often talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. Everyone wants the prices on goods and services to be down. At the same time, they want related jobs to stay in US ansd pay the great salaries!!! Of course I would like to see jobs stay here. But unless people are ready to pay higher prices on goods and services, costs have to be reduced and hence jobs will be shipped to China, India and whoever works cheaper! Common economics friends!!! So I am a little tired of folks shoppingh in walmart to save prices (nothing in walmart is made in USA) and then expressing anger about jobs going abroad. HELLOOO....IF NO ONE NOTICED, WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
As American companies continue to send job overseas to cut labor costs I think it sends a message that we hold little value in the capability and viability of our own people. I think this surge of outsourcing we have seen over the last decade needs to stop.

I for one am not comfortable with knowing that my personal financial information, social security number, etc. are easily accessed by foreign organizations and I would much rather see U.S. companies encouraging economic growth internally, especially in times of economic stress.
I'm a "person of Indian origin" born, raised and educated in the United States of America, my beloved home. My parents spent thousands of dollars on my education, paid their taxes, lived legally and frugally, and still haven't been able to American dream. We have a 10 year old Toyota, and still live in a rental unit, with bills to pay, expensive healthcare insurance to pay for, commute costs, etc. Next door to our community is a subdivision of brand new million dollar homes, owed mostly by Indian immigrants. Most of these people grew up and studied in India, for less than US$100 a year, came on work permits or spousal visas to the US - as adults- secured high-paying IT jobs, bank jobs, healthcare jobs (by studying pre-Med in India for next-to-free, then doing a minor USMLE exam, gaining medical residency in the US for three years, and then "minting money" as they themselves ut it, loan-free scot-free once they got out of their "three year" fully-paid-for med school), etc. I want to know what I, as an American first, and an Asian American second, and a Muslim American third, have done wrong by growing up in the USA, and still unable to secure a job that pays more than $40,000 a year after getting a Bachelors AND a Masters degree in Accountancy from a good quality school in the Midwest, at the cost of roughly $100,000. Wat have these immigrants who earn 100k right in their first year in the US done right? Why should I vote for someone who is taking my jobs away and giving it to someone who does not even LIKE to stay here in America, who builds their retirement homes in India, who plans to leave the US in a few years after educating their own kids at our expense here?
Between the outsourcing and bring consultants here -- many American workers have lost their jobs.  I find it hard to be sympathetic to India.  This morning on the news programs "technology" was one of the fields on the do not pursue list for Americans.  Right now we are being forced to direct our next generation of workers towards "plumming", "health care", "welding", and other blue collar jobs.  Don't get me wrong -- nothing wrong with blue collar workers and we definitely need them. Those who want to pursue other avenues like Technology, science, etc, should also have the right to do so.  How can we remain a force in the world at this rate.
It appears that is John McCain that is spreading the wealth or, more exactly the poverty from India to USA.
So many good jobs have been lost due to ouffshoring, that it no wonder why the real income has droppped in the lat 8 years and so few jobs have been created.
Not Rocket Science: Indian Nationals don't vote in the U.S. But they have a lot to do with the over 7 million American Citizens jobs that have been lost due to outsourcing since President Bush came into office. Figure it out for yourselves.

India is a talented country. Their sole focus should be creating new jobs - unrelated to jobs that previously and currently exist in the U.S.  
Wow... what a turnaround!  the Democrats are now the ones protecting US jobs, and the Republicans are the outsourcing champions sending even our own sovereignity of our ports to DUBAI, and our treasury to China..  I never saw this one coming... No wonder McCain is losing big!  I can't get excited about him... I used to like him, but wow...  Truth is stranger than fiction...  Yu couldn't make this stuff up..
Economics escapes these comments. If the costs are too high for a US business to compete, it must outsource to survive. Would you spend 30-40% more for the same product to support the middle class? You might say yes to support your argument but in reality, no we will not. The rest of the world won't either. The only thing Obama can do  is raise the cost of outsourcing to the point that it is no longer competitive, eliminating the option of US businesses staying competitive on the global markets, and further disrupting the US ecomony. That means a lot less efficiency, a lot less tax revenue, and a lot less economic growth.
Even people in India realize that John McCain will favor the greedy entrepreneurs and keep outsourcing jobs to keep their costs down. Obama has said that he would give tax credits to companies who bring thos jobs back. Thats why Indians don't want Obama-they care more about their jobs over there.

It's funny that McCain's slogan is country first but he does everything but keep country first in mind because he never talks about bringing jobs back home.
outsourcing is one of the worst things that could have happen to many american citizens. After we help to build these companies that are now putting us out of work to send jobs to another country. And then they get concerened when unemployment numbers rises. What did they think was going to happen if you are taking away our jobs.
I agree with everyone on this board, that outsourcing is a good reason why the middle class is disappearing. When I started IT consultant it was mainly Americans and you could get a decent hourly wage based off you of years of experience. Now, I most of my co-workers are from India and other places, who don’t necessary do a better job than a native American but they get the job because they are willing to take a 50% cut off of the prevailing wage. If I take a 50% cut on my wage then I could not even afford to live in my own home and definitely could not send my kids to college.  I believe that American IT workers are being pushed out of the market mainly because companies want a cheaply made product and not necessary a better product. One company I can name right off the top of my head. DELL
ONLY an OBAMA Administration will slow the exportation of American jobs to India.  It won't cease altogether, and people need to understand that (although we all know that people DON'T understand).

Republicans LOVE to outsource because they don't want anyone to have anything.
Hubby said "If I were to be elected President of the U.S. the word "foreign aid" would cease until all children in our country had health care, food and clothing and a good education". PERIOD!  He also went on to say that there would NOT be any outsourcing of American Jobs over seas. What goes on in America stays in America!  PERIOD!  Vote for Dave!~!
If our representatives have any brains, this election will mean the end of outsourcing. Right now, consumer spending plummeting because, one consequence of the current economic mess, is outsourcing is increasing at an alarming rate, which is fueling even less consumer spending. I am pinning my hopes on the Democrats. Our representatives *CAN* enact punitive taxes on goods and services that are outsourced, Congress *CAN* bring back tariff's on goods and services to protect our jobs (and don't blather about "protectionism", every other civilized country on earth does precisely this right now), and Congress can end dangerous nonsense like the H1-B and L-1 visa. Those later two visas have cost 5 million American engineers and computer programmers their jobs with low paid, virtual indentured servants, from India, who are forced to work 60 to 80 hour work weeks with no overtime, no time off, inhumane working conditions, and a lack of access to medical services and other benefits that is flat out criminal. (At the same time, those same nearly all American companies, all of them "self-insured", access and correlate the medical records for their employees and families and terminate those with the greatest claim amounts. That nasty bit of wok is done in India at their data warehouses because it is beyond the reach/jurisdiction of U.S. laws.)

In recent days, India has sent out a variety of shell companies, doing software audits and other work, on the cheap. They take the results of these bogus studies and always manage to recommend outsourcing. This shameful and fraudulent practice is being funded in India and by U.S. companies that make their living off undermining this country, and destroying the lives of ordinary U.S. workers. So, spare us the sob stories abut an entire culture that owes it's existence to a parasitical relationship with American workers and this country. We have to end outsourcing. The H1-B and L-1 visas are the greatest threat to our national security EVER. All of this needs to be ended one way or another and very very soon.

It's time to cease outsourcing well paying American jobs producing high quality products and services and make them right here - in the US of A.

This is critical to restoring the dignity of American labor and the standard of living that has been grossly compromised over the last few years, thanks to the connivance between greedy American CEOs eyeing the bonanza of their golden handshakes and the politicians whose elections they have funded!!

Cut the crap...think America!!!
I have no sympathy for anyone in India who loses their job. I think we need to take care of the USA first. That's really a main reason for me supporting Barrack.  BTW.. I am Indian by birth but the USA is the only home I've ever really known or could identify with. God Bless America!
Obama's policy for curtailing job loss to third world countries is by giving and cutting tax benefits to companies which out source and those who don't. As Globalization is proven way to go forward, I am not sure how effective it will be when market dynamics comes in play. As far as MNC's will have more cost benefits as compared to Tax reliefs, outsourcing will still thrive.
India is under scrutiny as it is emerging as Back office for world and that is affecting directly middle class which comprises service sector. With incorporation of NAFTA, similar concerns were raised against Mexico for stealing manufacturing jobs. Similarly, manufacturing jobs lost to China are not even mentioned as everyone knows American products are too expensive to afford.
For all those people who lost their jobs due to outsourcing, I have sympathy, but if you move to any other countries I am damn sure you will find, if not better, than equally rewarding job.
You have qualities that that others lack and admire.
My sympathy is here at home.If we are not built back up as a manufacturing leader,with the prosperity that goes with it, how are we going to pay for the service industries that are left?
Lets stop the outsourcing jobs to india or indian company, who usually misuse the US immigration rules as well as the people working for them. See the banks who heavily outsourced the jobs to save costs and get more profilts got bankrup...so the outsourcing is not the solution...
Good point.  Let's stop sending work oversease.  Let's stop selling products  & services overseas.  Let's stop investing in foreign markets. Let's stop buying diamonds, oil, and manufacturing goods from overseas.  America is closed for business.
I think I am just echoing the sentiment of most of these posters that I'm not sure what the people of India are offering to this discussion.  They are not voting or taxpaying participants in the U.S. economy, and if what's good for us is bad for them, I see that as a lopsided relationship and as international and cosmopolitan as I am I choose us when it comes to who our government's policies should be supporting.  And the Indian government can figure out how to make the Indian economy sustainable without eating into the U.S. job market . . . or they can use their own democratic process to vote one in that will.
I am a naturalized US citizen from India - went through a masters, h1b, green card, naturalization, and minm security investigation for a fed contractor position.  my job as a green card holder was on the line due to this india outsourcing and folks were bashing indian programmers brought by my company on the yahoo msg board of my company.  some of the american fellow workers have accepted me in their circle to listen to their gripe about indians walking in the US office.  mgmt was skirting the question as to whether indians were taking their jobs - they told the meeting (with no indian office employees in the meeting - I was there) that those indian office employees were a part of orgn without talking about the consequence of job losses.

american citizens need to understand that it is not indians who want to work to displace americans - it is the corporation's senior board members who want to displace average americans so they can get a fatter bonus.

today the jobs go to india, when india gets costlier, it will be israel, phillipines,  even china ...

if the presidents stop worrying about what is good for the corporations and START WORRYING what is good for the average 'Joe the plumber' on the street, things will change.  but i do not see it in the near future.

regards, Ravi.
All I can say is, unbelievable. By sacrifucing American citizens we have made a lot of other countries stronger as we have become weaker and weaker. I don't want to sound selfish but when has any other country come to our aid? We aren't all "Joe the Plumbers" and these call center jobs can help feed a lot of people in America. We get to hear about skilled laborers that will never be outsourced but we don't address the easy flight jobs of the big corporations. Call centers, IT support etc... have left this country in droves. In the mean time we talk about creating new jobs like the jobs that will become available when we start building wind farms and the like. Typical U.S. politics, put the buggy in front of the horse. Get rid of the jobs first then create new is like buiding up the urban areas and then widening the roads. It becomes a major inconvenience and ultimately costs us more money. 700 billion dollars to fix our economy, an economy that is broken due in most part to the housing crisis which is partially caused by people losing their jobs to outsourcing which also cuts into our tax revenue significantly.
Okay, this is turning into a rant and somebody just outsourced my soapbox.
You have to remember that India is not considered a "friendly" country by the State Department.  We barely have diplomatic relations.  And it would be quite easy to pass legislation that denies many tax credits and government perks to any company who participates in outsourcing.  Fair is fair.
...In my recent business related visit to India I had heard jocular yet harsh comments from my so called "friends".."We Indians will soon take over"..The words are easy, but actions are too complicated. It barely took 2 months to bring the economy to standstill in India because of the aftershocks in the US market.

When our own house is burning, and our survival is at stake, we the Americans can't afford a luxury of sending millions of jobs to places like India.
- Stop being altruistic to a point there is nothing left for our future generations
- Start conserving more and offer opportunities to retrain many among us who are the victims of broken economy and auto/construction industry fallout
- Offer so called customer services jobs instead of rerouting calls through India, coming with lack of quality service/professionalism
- Develop special areas in our own country offering tax incentives to bring back those "back office" jobs.

America's heartland 'll benefit and so does the nation as whole..

..Be proud to be American/
I hope we Indians need to understand, back office wont work all the time. If there is no sales, there will be layoff in back office.

Hence India should make changes to its laws in such a way not to depend on outsourcing from other countries and promote farming(to feed at least a billion humans), else get ready Indians for fast food world(with preservatives)
It's a world market, baby. Outsourcing will only stop when Americans are willing to work for the same wages as the Chinese or Indians.
I am so sick and tired of all the stories about India and how their succeeding due to the US outsourcing!  Those jobs should be our jobs!  You wouldnt have to TRAIN us to speak proper English or TRAIN us to feel sympathy for our plight right now.  But our government has let us down!  They have decided that the rich should be richer because those are the people who fund their campaigns.
I am an Indian citizen who works in the US. I am an Obama supporter because on the whole, his policies and outlook seem to be better, not just for US but also for the rest of the world. Charity begins at home. Although I love my motherland, India, its prosperity should not come at the expense of others. If India is 'rising', it should rise on its own. On its strengths. The free trade policy of US seems to be biting back. Policies should change to suit the times. I can't speak for the community, but I have observed that most educated Indians in America favor Obama. They can't stand the war-mongering far-right. Or Palin's incompetence.
Why don't outsource the CEO jobs.That will save us a lot of money that will allow us to bring the rest of the jobs back to the USA.
I am in IT with a big US telecommunications company (the one that advertises their 'big network')...  The company has outsourced EVERY single IT job they could  to India, and FIRED everyone else they were able to. And the people in India need constant supervision because their quality of work is so low. Then the company tried to steal pensions from workers who have worked their for 20, 25, 30 years to make their stock value look good.  It infuriates me to see our country's wealth going to India when their are amazingly qualified individuals here who can do the work.
I will probably lose my job to costa rica as almost all of our sales jobs and now customer service and soon my department will go over there.
Even though it's not India, the whole thing is a disgrace.  All I have is callcenter experience.  I'd lose my house and have to work at McDonalds.
I have no sympathy for India being worried. They need to rely on Indian companies to supply jobs, not the US. Even Neilson Media research in Safety Harbor FL BROUGHT Indians over HERE for less pay to live and work in their call center and they took jobs away from those who live in Safety Harbor.  Even after Neilson got tax breaks from the city for bringing in jobs. Disgusting.
Inflation in India is keep raising and Forex $ rate being at 48 INR and increasing, outsourcing to India will continue.
a company is free to employ who and where they want  including India...what they aren't free to do is make us use their products or give them tax breaks to do it
I hardly know what to say. Let me get this straight.  Americans are jobless, the economy sucks, and 401K's are disappearing. Next, we give to India: American jobs, American nukes, and all our livelyhood. Now we should feel pity??? Unbelievable.


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