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Vietnamese back the man they know

Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:07 AM
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HANOI, Vietnam – Mention the U.S. election on the streets of Hanoi, and you are likely to get two very different reactions.

Among the young, the most common response is a shrug. But older people – the Vietnam War generation – are watching closely, and everybody I spoke to was backing the man they know: Sen. John McCain.

That may sound odd. McCain endured five and a half years in prison here after his Skyhawk bomber was shot down over the city in October 1967, and he parachuted into Hanoi's West Lake. 

VIDEO: Vietnamese voice support for McCain

But he is remembered most for what’s happened since then – his many return visits, and his role in helping to normalize relations.

‘He’s a friend of Hanoi’
"Everybody in Hanoi knows John McCain," said 76-year-old Tran Thanh Mei, as she posted a letter. "He’s a friend of Hanoi."

Thanh Mei lives beside what used to be one of the most notorious prisons in the city, known among its U.S. prisoners, as the Plantation. McCain described routine beatings and torture there.

She remembers the tight security, and says all the neighbors knew the "American pilots" were being held there. She says she felt strangely secure there, even when bombs were falling on the city, since she thought the bombers would avoid the prison.

Some of the buildings remain, mostly still in the hands of the army, though one section has now been converted into a fashionable coffee shop, busy with young people, and a cinema has been built.

No time for history
During our visit, "Minority Report" and the "Mummy 3" were among the Hollywood movies being shown. "If they show a Vietnamese movie, nobody will go," our guide said, dismissively.

Vietnam is an overwhelmingly young country – three-quarters of the population are under 30. They look to the west – and the U.S. in particular – for fashion and culture. The war is history for them, and few are closely watching the election.

"No, I really don’t know about it," said one young woman, selling Vietnamese silk and "Good Morning Vietnam" t-shirts. While in a shop next door, another young woman told us: "I don’t have a lot of time to watch television."

There is a youth and vibrancy about modern Vietnam, and while the young look to the future, the older generation is pragmatic, recognizing that normalizing relations with the U.S. has given an enormous economic boost.

VIDEO: McCain's captors remember him in Hanoi

‘I hope he is elected’
During our visit we sought out Vietnamese who’d met McCain. We found 81-year-old former nurse, Nguyen Thi Thanh. In his memoir, McCain says she saved his life, fending off a baying mob at the edge of Hanoi’s West Lake, and treating his wounds, putting splints on his arms and leg, and giving him antibiotics.

"Some people were very angry," she recalled, "but I was a nurse, it was my responsibility."

She doesn’t move so fast these days, but has been closely watching the progress of the man she treated.

"Sometimes I watch him on television, and he’s got really big. He used to be so young, thin and handsome," she told me. "He used to be part of the war, but now he’s running for president, which is a good thing. I hope he is elected."

We also met one the men who had dragged a badly injured McCain out of the West Lake. He too recalls the anger, and the chants of "beat him, beat him," but forty-one years have mellowed Le Van Lua.

"I feel that he could be the winner," he now says of McCain. "If he wins, it’s good. Already through his dealings with the Vietnamese government, John McCain has really helped Vietnam."

Surprising endorsement
Perhaps most surprising of all is the man who ran Hoa Lo, the notorious Hanoi Hilton prison, where McCain spent two years after the Plantation.

These days Tran Trong Duyet, talks about his "friend" McCain, who he describes as "strong willed, but with a sense of humor."

He dismissed the well-documented reports of brutality in the prison system. "During ‘office hours’ I would call him to my office and have fierce debates about the war. But ‘after hours’ we would talk to each other as friends."

He calls McCain a "model American soldier," who helped teach him English.

As for today: "If I had a vote, I would choose the person I knew well. So I would vote for John McCain."

That must go down as one of the strangest endorsements the Arizona senator is ever likely to get.

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Like many senior citizens, my memory sometimes fails me. Wasn't the plot of "The Manchurian Candidate" about an American President who was brainwashed by an Asian nation?
Like most armies, it's important to demonize your opponent, for the average man who is consigned to fight, not born for it. These men need to hate their enemies in order to fight. We have to beleive that only foreigners can torture and beat prisoners. We do it too. I had to keep taliban on their feet for three days, shifts of course, for me not them. If you have never been sleep deprived, not a long work day, but days of fatigue, then you don't know, but it is torture. Your spine is racked with pain, screaming at you to lay down. You hallucinate and begin to repeat what you hear. McCain didn't get it any worse then our pows are getting it from us. reality is that the enemy is human. They have better things to do and understand that doing horrible things stays with you. It's unlikely that the torture that hollywood glamorized is true on a wide spread scale. McCains injuries came from the crash and the mob, and you know, if some foreigner was dropping bombs near my house, i'd beat em too.
McCain, yes you are a "Model Soldier."  We need you very much at this moment when the World's peace is threatened and America is at war with our enimies. God Bless You! GO McCAIN.
If actions determine the man then I would say John McCain being endorsed by his previous captures demonstrates his ability to put aside differences and work for the good of all.
I feel that Mr. Williams report shows McCain is not only a hero in wartime but also a man who knows the value of workng for peaceful relations. McCain has overcome what would have destroyed most of us, and he is a better leader because of it. He really gets it how strength and peace can work as one effort in achieving global tolerance.  
It appears the mcbush is the REAL manchurian candidate. POW is an east asian country, now the people of that country want him elected. What do you make of that?
McCain was friends with a Viet Cong Prison commandante? Doesn't that lead you to question his character and judgment? (Note: built to mirror the ridiculousness of the William Ayers accusations)
Those people in Vietnam that know and endorse Mcclame were the one's that Mcclame were patronizing with cause they were getting his Red Cross goodies. I bet if they were still being bombed by him they would quickly denounce him as a terrorist. Dumb NVC still love to spread propaganda. I say let Mcclame be there president not ours. Go Obama 2008-2016
Fortunately, the Vietnamese don't get to vote on November 4th.
I thought McCain said he was in solitary confinement. I thought McCain said it was terrible. It sure does not sound that was from the people who knew him there.
Just imagine what the Vietnamese-Americans are hoping for if even the Vietnamese back in Asia supports McCain.  

He is a TRUE hero who loves his country so dearly that he would endure almost six years of torture.  The Vietnamese people are born with a sense of indebtedness.  For every year that McCain spent in the Hanoi Hilton, we hope to repay him with a year in the White House.  We will award him with our ballots.  
Ray's a moron that can't spell and has no idea. I'll bit he's a coward that has never served in any war. I hope he has a goodnite sleep from the safe harbor that Vet's provide for him and his family.
I think McCain has been honored enough for his actions during the war.  He has lived a comfortable life after his war ordeal. Also, he brings his service and war actions up enough to get the American people to wave the American flag in his honor(Read bet the lines).  There are other men and women that sacrificed alot for this country also.  I think it is good that the Vietnamese people(older) haven't forgotten what they did to Sen. McCain and others, BUT this is NOW and this is America. The US is in trouble with many issues: Iraq War, Economy, Healthcare, Education and so on... We can't live off the past.  We can not live off of Reagan's actions or policies or Theodore Roosevelt's actions and others. The world has changed just from 10 to 15 years ago.  The world's people have changed, so the United States has to change or face the consequences of not changing.  We (US) need to move forward to meet the world head-on with new ideals, new technologies, and to spread peace and common-sense policies.  The world is tired of wars and dumb, extreme policies.  The youth of the world don't know or don't want to know about past. They are looking toward the future.  That's just the way it is now, whether you agree or not.
Vietnamese loves to vote for McCain to be US President and they can't vote their President for themselves.  What's a crook?
I too was a POW in Vietnam. Like John I hold no grudge against the Vietnamese with the exception of those who beat me and did other things to me that could be considered to be torture while being held in Cambodia.  I still hold ill will for the commander and six others that force marched a group of 32 POWs up to North Vietnam but only arrived with 22 of us as they watched with indifferance those that died along the way.
Some day I might visit Vietnam (if I can ever afford the trip) to visit the Plantation Gardens and the Hanoi Hilton.  I am sure those places no longer harbor the people that treated the POWs with ill will.
Those people in Vietnam that know and endorse Mcclame were the one's that Mcclame were patronizing with cause they were getting his Red Cross goodies. I bet if they were still being bombed by him they would quickly denounce him as a terrorist. Dumb NVC still love to spread propaganda. I say let Mcclame be there president not ours. Go Obama 2008-2016

http://www.truthout.org/article/mccain-and-pow-cover-up
Ray from Seattle:  You apparently don't speak english even as well as those "dumb NVC" McCain had the courage to connect with.  You didn't even get "McLame" right.  You look awful stupid mociking someone who is obviously a bigger man than you.  People like you, the mindless black/white party first thinkers are wrecking this country.  Why do you have to drag down McCain and the Vietnamese on the heels of a great story like this?  Maybe your loyalties can be bought by "Red Cross goodies."  But your support of Obama can only work against him.  I know - I myself an Obama supporter.
To receive the endorsement of one's former enemy says quite a lot about the man and his character.  Obama and his associations on the other hand, make "Slick Willie" look like an altar boy.  If Obama gets elected then nothing will get done for the people since he'll have to spend all his time paying back the many favors he's had to garner. How else can an empty suit full of useless rhetoric rise so fast to the top.  Think about it you Obama Cult worhshippers?  Get a clue people.  
of course the Vietnamese back McCain.  he spent years at their hands being brainwashed and bent to their will.  not trying to escape for fear of punishment is one thing.  choosing to extend his stay at the Hanoi Hilton is another thing entirely.  and the Republicans want to paint Obama as a sleeper?  one must wonder...
Having recently returned from Hanoi after working in the US Embassy I must say that reading this does not surprise me. One must understand the culture of Vietnam and take these quotes in context of the war legacy issues that permeate our (US) relationship to Vietnam. I would look no further at this nor assume that this is a glowing endorsement of John McCain.
John McCain is DRAWN not DRIVEN. You can't DRIVE J McCain. The fact is - he is DRAWN - drawn to serve his country out of love for his country and its people - not DRIVEN by a horrible past that seeks revenge. - Vietnamese approval of J McCain will not add a vote in his column.(other than swaying opinions of voting decendants of vietnamese people - here in the states) - But his heart - for those people... we need a man who will extend a hand, rather than a fist... and yet a man who can and will use that hand to choke the life out of you... when it comes to defending FREEDOM.
Well John McCain has paid a price that the Bomber Whoops, Obama would never pay as he's on the other side of the fence. I wouldn't trust Obama with anything, as anyone that associates with the crowd he hung around should be tried for treason!
That says it all. We know McCain but who the hell is Obama? Why doesn't Tony Resko do an ad spot endorsing him?
What is the deal here?? Most people would say that if they held and tortured them for five years--absolutely would I NOT want to be your friend and I would NOT want you for a friend.

This does not pass the smell test!!
I have said this over and over, if you have not put your a$$ on the line for the country, then you have not earned the right to run your mouth.  The youth of our country right now are know it alls, rebellious spoiled brats who want instant gratification, and do not have a clue what war really is. The exception is our young men and women in the military. You probably have never been spanked much less tortured day after day.  The North Vietnamese were not nice to their POW's.  My husband was there and in Desert Storm, so what have you and Barack Hussein Obama put on the line for your country?  
Well, they don't vote, here or there.  So there!  And your point of this article is?

This is about as relevant as me saying I like their leaders NOW... Who cares?  They don't know the issues; they know the story of the captured sailor.  So as all human nature, we speak on what we THINK we know.  

They don't even really know America or issues.  Well that is a full generalization if there was one.  Let's just say, the Vietnam point of view is completely not relevant in this case.  But Thanks Vietnam; we're ok with you all too, I suppose.  It's all good. But your vote can't be cast.  And some of us appreciate that.
Oh, so you guys know what its like to be a POW? Some of you may have missed a few subtle facts:
1. McCain did NOT choose to be shot down and made a POW
2. Making friends with the commandant would very likely have been part of his survival strategy- if you're a POW, just try being antagonistic towards your captor and see what happens!!
3. Obama had the choice of NOT associating with Bill Ayers
4. Bill Ayers bombed his own country, that makes him a TRAITOR, which is worse than the Vietnamese commandant
5. By the way, Vietnam is no longer our enemy.
6. Your smooth talking Obama has hatched another shady associate to add to his list, Rashid Khalidi of the PLO. Last time I checked, those guys still hate us.
FYI George Cesal, POW stands for prisoner of war (LOL), the scary part of that is people like you vote.
To Richard Nguyen--NO we will not reward him with years in the White House. I fully agree McCain he is a war hero--but there are thousands of war heroes. Many that do not live to tell about it! We have rewarded McCain the same as any other war hero.

That does not make them good Presidents. McCain has become so erratic It makes me wonder of his time as POW is still affecting him.

I will not reward him for being a hero any more than I will reward Obama because his race was once held as slaves.
I only wish there were more true Americans like John McCain. If you decide to elect a person who denounces America rather then love it I'm affraid you will be in for a real change, and not for the better. True Americans will vote McCain!!!!!!!
Good Luck  and  God Bless You McCain !
Well of course the Vietnamese love him, didn't anyone read John Mccain's book that he wrote, "Faith of My Father's"? John Mccain himself wrote that he traded Military information for special treatment. In his own words he acknowledged that he broke the Code of Conduct under Military law. If you ask me, John Mccain should have been put on trial when he came back for aiding the enemy. In my view he helped them win that war. Some hero. He was their model POW. He makes me sick. This probably won't get blogged because it points out who John Mccain really is, a traitor. I understand with the war going on now that nobody wants to question his POW past, but he wants to drag out uglies from Obama's past that aren't even as serious as this issue. My husband is an American Soldier and I don't want to see John Mccain as his Commander in Chief.

Vote Obama/Biden
Read all about McSame in the new Rolling Stones mag. There is an interview with another detainee who actually received 2 silver cross medals for his time spent as a prisoner of war, he was there the same time as McSame. The truth is out there.
Yeah, dismiss McCain's brutal experience because his captor says they had a good time together, as though the captor would intentionally demonize himself in an interview with an international news agency.  Claiming that the captor's endorsement and assertion that they got along well makes McCain's experience anything less than brutal and harrowing is some of the least intelligent bit of critical thinking I've encountered in some time.
Hey Tim,  ever hear the one about "those who live in glass houses should never throw rocks". You call Ray a "moron" that can't spell.... well look at your second sentence!!! "I'll BIT.... (try bet!!!) Your candidate for vice-president should also learn from this.  She accuses Obama of "pal-in" around with terrorist.  How about her sleeping with a man who belonged to a political party for seven years that called for Alaska to secede from the U.S., whose founder said, "the fires of hell are frozen gaciers compared to my hatred for the American government' and "I'm not an American.  I've got no use for America or her damned institutions". How come we never hear about this issue on "FIXED NEWS"????  Let Hannity try to lie about this!!!!
Well spoken, Tim L. There is a big difference between a true war hero that goes on to work for peace amongst former diplomatic enemies, as opposed to a "community organizer" that has no experience and has not suffered for this country. We need both - Peace, but a strong mindset to deal with enemies of the United States.
Senator McCain will always be my hero. The people who wrote these negative comments about McCain have no respect for a soldier. Their hero is a man who never registers for Selective Service, who can't even be qualified for a security clearance.  The reason he didn't register for Selective Service is another story that people should google and find out why. Now I see where this country is heading. How many of you personally know the Viet Cong to make any comments above? I can tell you by personal experience that you should not believe anything they say because I am a Vietnamese-American. Most of them are two-faced and lie and lie and lie. They are Communists. Just draw a conclusion by looking at Putin and Chavez's behavior.
They do not vote in this election so what they say is of no value, I don't understand why the reporter would was the space to write this article. Reading their mind I can tell you that they like McCain to win only for one reason, McCain has a connection with Vietnam and that would benefit them. They know that Obama would not waste one minute of his time for a country that is of no use for America, that would stab America in back any chance they get. I am speaking from the heart so please believe me.
The comments of the Vietnamese in regard to Senator McCain remind me of another politician and am Asian coutry.  "Only Nixon could go to China."
Hey George Cesal and Irony Embodied, I see it as that neither one of you have ever been to Viet Nam or even fought in a war and you two are already brain washed. Try looking up the facts on what has been said, and not twisting them to fit your blind idealogy. If you don't like Senator McCain just have the nuts to say so don't twist a blog just to see your name and 3 seconds of fame! If you want to talk the talk, then you had better learn to walk the walk first! A proud US vet!
Let's see - we have a guy with experience and a guy with absolutely no experience. The guy with no experience spends 20 years sitting in the pews of a church which he now denounces (I don't think the message the preacher preached has changed much) and he engaged in associations with Ayers.  He believes that no young lady should be "punished" with a baby and wants to tax your employers to the hilt.  (You know - those are the folks who pay you!)  And how come every time I ask a Democrat about Obama - all they can say is that we need change in Washington.  They cannot speak to any of the real issues and to Obama's solutions (for which there will be no money).

I applaud the Vietnamese who support John McCain. John McCain may not be perfect - but our nation will be better off with him than with a community organizer who is nothing more than well spoken and charismatic.  
If the Vietnamese love him so much....elect him as President of Vietnam.  What happened to the five and one half years he spent in "Solitary Confinement?"  I spent 2 tours in Vietnam and I don't consider McBush any kind of a hero for getting shot down.  The individuals that have their names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial War in Washington, D.C. are the true heroes.  If McBush if elected watch the benefits for the American Vet go out the window.
McKKKain. We won't be fooled again. Sorry I've seen some of the shouts coming out of your rallies. They are flat out racist! No wonder you live in AZ. Read the "New Republic" much.
Yeah the Vietnamese "love you long time". But I don't. GO BAM BAM
"Those people in Vietnam that know and endorse Mcclame were the one's that Mcclame were patronizing with cause they were getting his Red Cross goodies. I bet if they were still being bombed by him they would quickly denounce him as a terrorist. Dumb NVC still love to spread propaganda. I say let Mcclame be there president not ours. Go Obama 2008-2016".

With comment like the above, I strongly believe some people should not be allowed to vote.
I must say that I dis like the politics of both parties. That said, I will how ever vote for McCain and Palin because the democrat party is the road to socialism and communism.
Obama, some call the Messiah, he is not a messiah! There is only one,and Jesus Christ is it. Obama is the
golden calf of the drive by media and the democrat party.Nothing bad about obama, proven or other wise is believed by the socialist left. You folk can bow to Obama if you want to, but I never will.John is not perfect, but aleast he doen't think he is a greek God.
John McCain should go back there and run for President.  He has been in congress in the states for what 26 years.  Look were this country is.  Maybe instead of him joining his buddies in the savings and loan failings of the eighties and early nineties he should have been paying more attention to the U.S. economy.  This country needs change and it needs it now.  We can no longer afford the same leadership we have had over the past.  John McCain should get over the fact he was in a war.  There are millions of people who have been in wars.  You would think McCain would have learned his lesions.  It is clear he didn't.  Each time you see McCain he talks as though there is a winner in war.  Think about it for a moment, no one wins at war.  So let McCain go back to Vietnam and lead those people with all the money he and his buddies scammed out of the failed savings and loan companies he helped to fail.  We in America are where we are at now because of people like John McCain and his deregulation of the banking industry.  Ask your self before you vote.  Is This What We Need In America another four years of the same?  I urge you to vote for true chacnge and this would not be John McCain.
I would like to see and view your journalistic reports on the countries that support Obama!  I am sure there are many.  Please report on the countries that supports Obama and not be bias!
Mr. Cesal....hate to burst your bubble but POW is not a country...he was a POW (Prisoner of War) in Vietnam...the rest of you should be ashamed for trying to portray McCain as some sort of traitor...."McCain was friends with a Viet Cong Prison commandante?"  What a stupid thing to say.  That is how the commandant might have felt but I'm sure McCain didn't spend long nights with him talking about life.  I can guarantee you he would have preferred to be back home. Also, I'm guessing you are a young person...18-21, because if you had been alive during Vietnam you'd have know that the prison in Hanoi would have been run by the NVA (North Vietnamese Army) regulars...the VC were in the south.
 

Ray....To say that McCain was patronizing them because they were getting his Red Cross goodies?  Your stupidity is showing.  Two problems with that....first your are assuming Red Cross packages were given to the prisoners..something I've never heard happen in Vietnam and second if by some miracle they were you're dumb enough to think if the Vietnamese wanted them, they wouldn't just take them and not give them out.

Donald...how ironic that your mind is as small as it is...good thing breathing does not require any effort on your part...First, I have never heard him call the Vietnamese gooks...I'm sure as a Navy Officer at war and a prisoner of the "gooks" he did use the term regularly...however to say he has used it all his adult life is simply ignorance on your part as to the 1960's and 70's.  Has anyone heard him use the term since he has returned to the US?  Not saying he hasn't but you seem to makeing a difinitive statement...you really have no idea what your even saying much less understanding anything about the period...again I'll bet your a young person not born before or during the war.

I suggest that all of you study the Vietnam War before you make anymore stupid remarks and show us how stupid you really are.
Hey Dukeman, thank you for your service during your two tours in Vietnam.  I disagree with you that all the "real" heroes are on the Wall.  If volunteering to fly a plane off of an aircraft carrier, into enemy territory, running the risk of being killed or captured every time you do doesn't give someone heroic qualities, what does?  Does that mean that someone who I know, who was shot down and gravely wounded while flying a ground support mission is not a hero?  Isn't he a hero to the men on the ground who may have survived because of his actions?  I'd like to know what your pre-requisits for hero status are, other than dying in battle.  Do you afford hero status to everyone who dies in combat?  Of course the Vietnamese are going to speak out on McCain's behalf.  Why?  Its because the SOB you know is better than the SOB you don't.
why wouldnt they like them... McCain gave them everything they wanted as a prisoner....
hmmm not sure i'd want an endorsement of a nation that (de facto) doesn't recognize the UN Declaration of Human Rights or engages in nazi-style child indoctrination or imprisons and tortures people for choosing to attend a church & have a faith or deprives it's citizens of food for political "reeducation".  

yep, an endorsement from the north viets is akin to an endorsement from ayers, acorn or wright. hold your nose.


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