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Can China save the global economy?

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:56 PM
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BEIJING – One of the very few light moments during the Sichuan earthquake last May occurred as a family in Xiang'e dug through the rubble of its fallen home. The wife paced around an earth-mover, looking agitated but not grief-stricken, and I guessed she was looking for a lost pet.  But when she began hopping up and down in excitement at the appearance of a mattress, I was momentarily stumped.

That is, until one of the men began tearing through the mattress lining. 

Before long the wife was beaming, having rescued and quickly tucked away several wads of rolled up 100-yuan notes.

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A family digs for its savings in the aftermath of May's earthquake in Sichuan.

One might chuckle at the scene, as I did, but this family represents one reason some commentators think China can save the global economy.

The argument(s)
The argument that China can bail out everyone – or at least the American economy – is actually two-fold. 

One strand argues that in the wake of double-digit national economic growth of recent years, China's businesses and consumers are well positioned to counter the dwindling spending in North America and Europe by picking up the slack in domestic consumption. 

"China has to make a transition from being export-oriented toward domestic consumption-oriented," said Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Beijing University. "Any large continental economy can't depend on external demand for its own growth."

The other strand has to do with China's reserves. With nearly $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves and a massive sovereign wealth fund, commentators say, the Chinese can easily bail out the United States. 

This was certainly the rallying cry at last month’s World Economic Forum gathering of business leaders and policymakers from Europe and North America in the northern port city of Tianjin.  "China has a voice and has a wallet with a voice," intoned the CEO of a multinational company.

But both of these scenarios are unlikely, if not completely fanciful, say economists in Beijing.

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Consumers of the last resort? 
Spending habits don’t change instantly
For one, the transition to a consumption-driven economy doesn't happen overnight. "We're really talking about a 5 or 10 or 15-year process," Pettis said. "The United States went through its own process, and it took a very, very radical, a very deep crisis, quite a long time ago." 

And China's household savers who sock away as much as 30 percent of their annual personal income, compared to the near-zero percent the average American family saves, are unlikely to change their spending habits any time soon.

"Since we began our economic reforms [30 years ago]," said Zhang Ming, an economist with the Research Center for International Finance in Beijing, "we haven't done a good job of offering social and welfare services." So families here in effect are taxing themselves by saving for their children's education, buying a home, medical care, and retirement.

More to the point, "Chinese consumers are steadily consuming more, but this is a long-term process that could only be propelled into a short-term global fix by a foolish leap into American-style lending practices," Andy Rothman, chief China strategist at CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets, wrote in a research note this week.

Corporations, meanwhile, will only spend or increase their investments if there is a reason to do so (hint: profit). But businesses have begun stockpiling inventories, because they can't find buyers, which sooner or later means they will need to start cutting back, too.

VIDEO: Economists discuss whether or not China can save the global economy

Can’t loan anymore money
As for whether Beijing will step up by loaning the U.S. more money, the notion is "nonsensical," said Pettis.  "It’s not really meaningful."

China already owns an estimated $1 trillion of U.S. debt – most of which is U.S. Treasury bonds and the rest in U.S. agency debt. "The U.S. credit crisis has led to losses in China’s own wealth," noted Zhang.  So where are they going to get more money for new loans to the U.S. – to buy more debt?

"The argument was that China already has almost $2 trillion. Yes, but those are already lent to the U.S. and European governments," argued Pettis. "So they can’t re-lend them. They would have to take the money back and then lend it, which is not a new loan."

Rumors of a China-led bailout have been so rife, in fact, that the central bank here, the People’s Bank of China, had to deny reports carried in Hong Kong newspapers that the government would buy up to $200 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries to ease the financial crisis in America.

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China's reluctant consumers? 

Dealing with its own economic slowdown
"The question is, is it realistic to expect that one country, the size of China's economy, can hold up the rest of the world's economy?" asked Louis Kuijs, Senior Economist with the World Bank.  "I would have my doubts, simply because the size of China's economy is not yet large enough.  It's important to remember that [the Chinese economy] is still significantly smaller than Japan’s and not many people are looking at Japan as the country that can shoulder the rest of the world economy."

As far as the leadership in Beijing is concerned, the best China can do is to maintain its current growth trend, as Premier Wen Jiabao underlined at the World Economic Forum in Tianjin.  "Maintain China's strong, steady and fast growth and avoid fluctuations. This is the biggest contribution to the world economy under the current circumstances," he said.

Keeping economic growth steady is not as easy as it sounds.  In fact, given recent indicators, China is unlikely to do any rescuing apart from its own economy. 

A confluence of factors means that the economic outlook here is less than rosy: growing inflation; slowing exports; a free-falling stock market (down more than 60 percent from its highs in 2007); and a hot housing market that’s cooled (the average rate of property prices on the coast slowed to 6 percent in August from 25 percent last November, according to China Reality Research studies).

Now add to the mix the widening financial crisis which has spread to Europe and parts of Asia. 

"I would be very surprised if a slowdown in world growth did not reflect very, very significantly on Chinese growth," Pettis said. "What we are hoping for is that domestic consumption grows to make up for reductions in export. That is still an open question, we don't know if that is going to happen or not. But, if domestic consumption doesn't grow significantly, I suspect we are going to see a slowdown of the Chinese economy."

And even though an economic slowdown here translates to single-digit GDP growth in the range of 8 to 9 percent (still considered impressive), this would mark the first time an entire generation of Chinese have experienced such a thing.

The last time the Chinese economy suffered was in 1997, around the time of the Asian financial crisis, Pettis pointed out, but that was before the nation saw the kind of wealth accumulation that exists now amongst the middle class.

Feeling their pocketbooks pinched might have serious political implications, too, especially coming on the heels of a Summer Olympics that bolstered popular sentiment for the government.

Indeed, "the next few months in China could be really interesting," said Pettis.

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i think it is our own stupidity, for having the kind of government that we have put up there ourselves! now the government tell us what to do, when we were supposed to tell the government what to do!
Hmm, maybe we should minimize our ports income "especially from China" and actually become a manufacturing nation as it was before. This will then increase the job flow and create some job surplus. Creating job surplus will then create more currency flow here. I do recall alot of American Companies leaving the U.S. to other nation to pay for less wages. The U.S. actually did this to themselves. Not to mention the Top Ranking Executives that go out and relieve stress and spend on Tax Payers money.
The best way to win is to win without war, to win without even be noted.
Our Government and the business community want the
people to continue this insane comsuption and easy
credit, because we have nothing else. We have been
sold down the river by both parties. A third party
is needed badly, one with a real agenda
I can't believe we are trying to get China to bail us out.  We need to do 2 things.  First, stop the globalization effort, America First.  This globalization has caused much of our problem and it is destroying our country.  Second, DO NOT ask China to bail us out.  Their nationalistic (they are not a global contributor, they just use it to their advantage) monitary manipulation has also probably contributed to our decline, much to the delight of China.
So what happens in a country where we feel entitled to cheap fuel, cheap and abundant food, social sevices available round the clock gets taken away from us? Not to mention millions of families who have worked their whole life only to see everything they have worked for erased in 3 weeks. Pretty sure civil wars have broken out for less.... heaven help the rich folks who facilitated all this. People offered free money to buy a home with no validation of their income, WOW, can not believe someone took a free gift lol. Now our government will be the largest default bank in the world along with being the largest free mortgage holder. Buckle up folks, the ride is about to get interesting.
How can China bail the U.S. out when they already own it?
Brandon... We've been borrowing LOTS of money from the Chinese for years now.  You know the stimulus checks alot of Americans got this year? Well guess where that money came from.......China!
VERY SIMPLE IMPEACH THE CROOKS THEN JAIL THEM ALL FOR 20 YEARS.

REMEMBER YOUR VOTE DOES COUNT, VOTE AGAINST ALL IMCUMBENTS ALL ALL THEY HAVE GOT US IN THIS MESS

CLEAN OUT CONGRESS AND GOVERNMENT, CUT OUT ALL THE PORK, ALL THE LOBBIES ALL THE MONEY. MAKE IT AN HONOR TO SERVE IN CONGREE NOT A PERSONAL THIEFDOM.


too many people here are uninformed and have distorted view compliments of mr limbaugh and his ilk who keep conservatives in power that screw all of us except the top percentile then tell you its not the corporations fault its the poor people fault, healthcare cost as much as amortgage so what quit winning mortgage company hands you a 147 page document that contract law graduates cannot understand ,they make massive commissions because the loan is loaded with hidden traps , massive prepayment penaltys and doubleing of interest rate all hidden from view, too bad its your fault says rush , why do you think he has more money than china  think bush is still a great guy you are being duped into betraying yourself and your fellow workers by your good buddy hannity and he keeps you mad all the time, people who are addicted to right wing radio need an intervention plan so they can read on there own and come to there own conclusions not the ones they are paid to give you
I don't think many people understand yet.  The US is in for many years of a depressed economy.  We have a LONG way to go before hitting bottom.  When people realize that there will be no "bail out" and realize that WE THE PEOPLE have to work and SAVE our way out of this mess, NOT corporations, NOT the government..then we will be close to the bottom and will be ready to work our way up again.  We still have years to go before people realize this...probably decades.
I am still perplexed as to the greedy CEOs and other company top exeutives receiving more money in termination bonuses then any one individual could spend in one's lifetime.They should be waraded with hard labor jail time and their entire golden parachute proceeds should be garnished along with their other personal assets and given back to all the employees who lost their jobs because of their inept leadership.I assure you,if this was a third world country the head honchos would be standing up against a firing squad.They would all be wearing drab uniforms plasterd with the letters "GREED GOT ME HERE".America may have the middle class but the middle class in reality ,is the true lower economic strata of our current democratic culture.
Listen to yourselves, people? How pathetic has America become that it already owes trillions of dollars to what is still officially a COMMUNIST country and its musing about borrowing more? This would have been unimaginable back in the 80s.

The American superpower is over. America is in the position of England just prior to the second world war - a spent and tired power that looks more impressive on paper than it is in reality and China the emerging successor dominating power.

Back in the early 80s there was talk of the decline of the American Empire. I think it was just 25 years too early in its prediction.  
Good idea, let's make the greenback worthless, if you're already rich or ready to retire who cares about inflation. Let's borrow, borrow, borrow and pass the buck for another American generation to foot the bill of a debt which will take several generations to repay, as long as we can continue to live a life of hedonism and indulgence. Let's also encourage all developing countries to follow the Chinese model...people are basically like pigs and cattle, they really want personal consumption and wealth accumulation over democracy and individual freedom.  You know there's another option to borrowing money from foreigners, just live within your means and suck it up. Boomer generation stop being such a spoiled brat generation and leave something for the rest of us.
I can't understand why any other country has to come to rescue USA, american people like to live like royalties, spending money or getting credit to live with luxury, when other countries are living with modesty and saving money, now, they want these people to lend them money, shame, shame, USA, stop all that foolishing way of living, be modest, humble yourself in front of GOD and you might get the answer to your problems.
If you guys down south , really want to solve your problems with the greedy CEO's on Wall St & the corrupt ones in the White House & IMPRESS  the Chinese all you got to do is shoot the BASTARD's as enemies of the state & sent the bill for the bullets to their parents , as a penalty for raising such evil citizens .  then you can make nicey-nicey with guys in China. then your in step the dudes who have all the BLING_BLING
To Bill McFarlin, Jr.,   You talk like the American people did this to ourselves.  Yes, we are responsible for our own personal debt but our leaders have gotten our country in this awful mess we are in. I blame them.
There little agenda of being a One World Government is coming right along, isn't it?
I would like you , each one of you , to step back , be objective and consider this : Do you think it is quite possible that the current economic situation could be tied to the blatant greed driven blindness that the Bush administration has caused ? First the Iraq War . People have to get back and forth to work in order to pay their mortgages , right ? And what is more URGENT on a day to day basis than getting back and forth to work . When gas topped $4.00 a gallon there were more than just a handful of Americans that were torn between putting gas in the gas guzzling "SUBURBSPEDITION" they over-financed , or pay their Adjustable Rate mortgages . People , it's human nature to avoid immediate pain by putting off what hurts the most till the " day after tomorrow " . And , Yeah , I am laying blame completely on the current administration for getting us into this incredibly assinine pre-dick(cheney)-ament .
If the world is to be saved only the U.S. can do it, but unfortunately we are rushing headlong to adopt the failed socialist policies that the rest of the world has already tried and demonstrated to be failures. - Quote

LOL, have you read a single piece of financial news lately? We're in a death spiral, the reason everyone else is sinking is because the world is so tied to our economy. And Socialists policies, like them or not, had nothing to do with our current failings. The housing market failed because of unbrideled greed and speculation, core concepts of a Corruption of Capitalism. (The kind of speculation we commited was bad business, but Socialism is not what is killing us right now).
What next? Poor "Old Uncle Sam", from the Stimulus, the foreclosure rescue, to this latest bail out. This pattern has to stop. I wonder if this upper-upper class of the so called 1% carefully planned this whole scenario out.  Involve the U.S. in world wide conflicts and destroy us from within. These multinational corporations (Now, majority owned by foreigners) are getting ready to amputate uncle Sam's arms and legs unless, we as a people act safely today instead of sorry tomorrow. If the bail falls into the right hands then the banking industry can break even by re-analyzing bad debts in general all around the country by cutting interest rates and principals by half from top to bottom. Call it a fresh start for everybody with the understanding that if you strike out you are going to be completely disavowed by society. The other alternative is to get your soup bowls ready and be patient because there will be long lines. These next twelve months will be really, really tough. Keyword, Save some cash, precious metals and stockpile food and medicine.
Well first China can not bail us out... The reason we are China's largest exporter.. If they can not make money, they are not going to invest in US. Also China has been misleading the world on it econmic's, their actually have less to spend than the US.

China's been playing the same game as US maybe even lying a lot more.. Their leaders can control the ecomony, here our leaders can only say we have nothing wrong...

I could see this coming for more than 18 months, and Iit is only going to get harder.. Hope you save some...



We need to get back in the business of manufacturing things in the U.S.  We also need to dispel the notion that, to be seen as successful, a company needs to make 20% year-over-year profit.  What's wrong with a steady 10% net profit every year using sound business practices?  That way product quality wouldn't have to be compromised and jobs wouldn't have to be shipped overseas in order to meet ever more unattainable goals.  While we're at it, salaries and perks for executives of publicly traded companies need to be limited to 10 times that of their average employee's salary.  There would be no shortage of qualified takers.  Unregulated greed (combined with outright fraud, in many cases) is what has gotten us into our current straits.  To get out, we need to regulate greed.
answer: demand that our gov stop borrowing and spending. make do or do without. kill all nafta deals. promote/encourge our economy to change from consumerism to a more production based economy by eliminating most taxes to all business(especially startups). prepare for war, it is coming. negotiate with our creditor nations to relieve some of our debt. stop giving borrowed money away to countries -we need to clean our own house now, or else. allow bad decisions to run it's natural course, (you know what i mean). get emotionally ready, we are in for a long, hard ride. make the iraqis pay their own way now or become subjects of iran (did i mention get ready for war, the much bigger threat is coming). everyone, stop spending more than you make, save if you can. oh yea, mention to the chinese that if we don't get back on track, we can't buy all their stufffff!
Why would China want to help?  The US already owes China one thousand Billions of dollars.  Can you imagine that number; the US owes China a Billion dollars, times 1,000 !!! That is equal to $6,000 for every adult in the USA. The Chinese want the US to return the money the US already borrowed; they want to cash-in their US Treasury bills, bonds, etc

The US is not the 'center of the universe' and all of us consumers need to stop consuming and start saving and live within our means.
mistakes committed by your US governnment and Major companies:
1. Companies such us Trane, York, Carrier and Mcqauy had been trasferred to China and what happens to your workers?? --- This is one of the big mistakes that created unemployment
Well it sure isn't going to be the mess of a country that the Republicans made of the U.S.  
This is great!!!  Yes it will hurt, and we will not be able to borrow, but we will be forced to use are heads and save, and only buy what we can afford!  So start saving now, get out of dedth, trust me soon all of the notes out there will be called, due to this crisis. So get rid of the 2008 Esclade and buy the 93 Camry NOW! At the current rate in a week the Stock Markets will close indefinetly around the World!!!! You will need to combine forces with friends and family just to make it, but this will be good we will get back to the basics and we will get through it and be smarter for it!!!  
Too Funny.  My how the world has changed in just a few days.
The States are justified to seize the property and money of those high officials, company owners from China, they are evil of the Chinese Nation, they did everything evil in China to its people.
This is great!!!  Yes it will hurt, and we will not be able to borrow, but we will be forced to use are heads and save, and only buy what we can afford!  So start saving now, get out of dedth, trust me soon all of the notes out there will be called, due to this crisis. So get rid of the 2008 Esclade and buy the 93 Camry NOW! At the current rate in a week the Stock Markets will close indefinetly around the World!!!! You will need to combine forces with friends and family just to make it, but this will be good we will get back to the basics and we will get through it and be smarter for it!!!  
War without wasting a bullet.
only smart leader can do.
Y should the Chinese/Asians/Sheikhs bail out the corrupt banking system by its money. The system has to have its correction which has been in waiting for last 2 years in all sense to cut the US economy by 2.5 trillion dollars. If still need to helped, they should buy these companies in essence rock, stock and barrel to support. American economy is good. But its financial system need some real laundry to adjust to its real value.
My fellow US citizens, eveyone of you might have known this economic crisis but the hidden point of the economic crisis is the national spending is well over the revenues.  Our government have no vision about what will happen in a decade from now.  The Whitehouse is considered to be the senior citizen house and run by the old fashion potical leader who know what happen in the past but not present and future.  We need to have the young, wise, and tehnological political brain to run our country.  Evey month, eventhough our country is in financial crisis, but we still keep spending billions and billions of dollars to improve the other countries but not us.  Shame on our government for leting the world knowing that we are begging for other countries to secure our economics.  We need to stop this kind of reading the president's lips and let put our financial crisis as the first priority issue.  Cut foriegn budget and secure small businesses and any company which is willing to base in the United States.  Creating more jobs for our people.  This  kind of realistic idea will certainly gradually build up our economics.
Look there is no fixing stupid! Thats what we have been for many years. We are now being forced to only buy what we can afford thats are only option. Most will be a lot poorer then they think.  
The US would be much better off to let the current chips fall where they may, rather than be even more in debt to China than they already are.  But hey, abolish NAFTA, start paying off the US debt, and bring back regulation to the markets, and the US will be back on track again.  
no no no china can't save the globel economy because there is also uncertainty. it's they are very big exporter for many countries but the problem is they belive in qntity not quality.
Yes, I think so. China already did something to save U.S. The average U.S. people only think they are the most wealthy and they live in the center of the world. They know nothing about the world and the process of the globalization.
Folks, we are at the dawn of a new age.  No country is alone.  This will call for unprecedented cooperation between nations.

This is the reverse side of The World is Flat.  

Up from the ashes of disaster grow the roses of success.
Ain't gonna happen. Remember two things:

- China, while it may be an aspiring 'superpower', does not have the muscle to bail out the rest of the world or even the US.
- The Chinese are not excatly known to help others. There is a clear lack of will here. No offense.
Let's see if I get the financial scenario correct, we're eyeball deep in debt so we want to borrow more in order that we can spend more; i.e., paying down other debts?  Is this correct?  If so, isn't that a bit like placing our personal credit card debt from one car and shifting to another?  Sounds like a surefire road to bankruptcy.  It's hard to understand how we can cut taxes to the wealthiest, yet spend hundreds of billions in bailing out the greed-mongers and stupids.
How come NONE of the so called church going political leaders and supposed to be Bible Believing Christians in either side never mentions about God or actually praying about the situation or make any exhortations along those terms. Sometimes, most of the times money CAN NOT fix anything. This is one such occasion. Why dont these leaders ever talk about themselves going on their knees and praying in all honesty or encouraging the country to do so?? We think we can fix it all with more money and bailouts? If these leaders, even McCain ever read whats in the KJVBible and really believed in them, they would know what to do!!
China already bought a lot of US assets already, so of course Chinese government will try everything they can to bailout the American economy because if America failed, their US investment will be 0 and they don't want that happen.  But I can't believe how Americans are still so "proud" of themselves in here.  This crisis is all caused by Americans and Americans should wake up and learn from your mistakes.  I just can't believe you guys are still phrasing yourself as the "best country".  Give me a break!
Jane Doe has it exactly backwards - China has huge population and environmental problems to solve.  The last thing they want is a weak US economy - they benefit from a strong US economy which they can sell into.
This is totally absurd. This measurement of the economy based on GDP is fundamentally flaw for country like the US where we have this culture of spending on credit. People in China and in most Asian countries in general do not fall into this death trap and will graciously learn from the mistakes we made here.
Sandra,

Of course you don't want to be bailed out by China.  You're white, it would ruin your self esteem.

Even though your world is falling down around you, you'd rather die with your ego than survive with your wallet.
You reap what you sow.  Time to take it in the chin, hit the ground, and pick ourselves back up.  Otherwise we have a discussion on how, when and why the Chinese should bail us out.
"I think this can only reverse if China's middle class are taught that 30% savings are not practical in a 21st century market."

Maybe that is not practical for you to do, but they will benefit greatly in the long run from this.
To Jane Doe and her friend, Pliny.
Both of you are good examples of brain-dead.
China isn't responsible for the financial mess in this country. Greed on Wall Street, and maybe some in Washington, is responsible.
China is definitely not a Third-World country, moron. But I've got a revelation for you, Pliny. If the U.S. doesn't get its act together, it won't take too many more years until it's a Third-World country.
And by the way, the Chinese are too smart to be at the mercy of the U.S.
And it disgusts me to even hear an idea like China bailing out the U.S. For what? So the 'Masters of the Universe' (Ha Ha) can go do it again?
I'm an American married to a Chinese, and unlike you, I don't have my head up my butt.
No country will support the world because their surplus will be deployed elsewhere before the opportunity to do so presents itself.
What I can say is that the author at best is naive. When China has taken the welfare of the world, especially US into consideration? Taken the recent poison milk as example. For the success of Beijing Olympic game, it can sacrifice the health of so many innocent children. The same kind of chemical was in the dog food that killed thousands of pets last year in US.
Chinese government always treats US as enemy. Their allies includes North Korea, Cuba, etc. It has never treated US as its true friends.

To understand the true nature of Chinese government, I would suggest readers to read Nine Commentaries on Communist Party. Then you will not have such argument that China would bail out US.


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