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Can China save the global economy?

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:56 PM
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BEIJING – One of the very few light moments during the Sichuan earthquake last May occurred as a family in Xiang'e dug through the rubble of its fallen home. The wife paced around an earth-mover, looking agitated but not grief-stricken, and I guessed she was looking for a lost pet.  But when she began hopping up and down in excitement at the appearance of a mattress, I was momentarily stumped.

That is, until one of the men began tearing through the mattress lining. 

Before long the wife was beaming, having rescued and quickly tucked away several wads of rolled up 100-yuan notes.

Adrienne Mong / NBC News
A family digs for its savings in the aftermath of May's earthquake in Sichuan.

One might chuckle at the scene, as I did, but this family represents one reason some commentators think China can save the global economy.

The argument(s)
The argument that China can bail out everyone – or at least the American economy – is actually two-fold. 

One strand argues that in the wake of double-digit national economic growth of recent years, China's businesses and consumers are well positioned to counter the dwindling spending in North America and Europe by picking up the slack in domestic consumption. 

"China has to make a transition from being export-oriented toward domestic consumption-oriented," said Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Beijing University. "Any large continental economy can't depend on external demand for its own growth."

The other strand has to do with China's reserves. With nearly $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves and a massive sovereign wealth fund, commentators say, the Chinese can easily bail out the United States. 

This was certainly the rallying cry at last month’s World Economic Forum gathering of business leaders and policymakers from Europe and North America in the northern port city of Tianjin.  "China has a voice and has a wallet with a voice," intoned the CEO of a multinational company.

But both of these scenarios are unlikely, if not completely fanciful, say economists in Beijing.

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Consumers of the last resort? 
Spending habits don’t change instantly
For one, the transition to a consumption-driven economy doesn't happen overnight. "We're really talking about a 5 or 10 or 15-year process," Pettis said. "The United States went through its own process, and it took a very, very radical, a very deep crisis, quite a long time ago." 

And China's household savers who sock away as much as 30 percent of their annual personal income, compared to the near-zero percent the average American family saves, are unlikely to change their spending habits any time soon.

"Since we began our economic reforms [30 years ago]," said Zhang Ming, an economist with the Research Center for International Finance in Beijing, "we haven't done a good job of offering social and welfare services." So families here in effect are taxing themselves by saving for their children's education, buying a home, medical care, and retirement.

More to the point, "Chinese consumers are steadily consuming more, but this is a long-term process that could only be propelled into a short-term global fix by a foolish leap into American-style lending practices," Andy Rothman, chief China strategist at CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets, wrote in a research note this week.

Corporations, meanwhile, will only spend or increase their investments if there is a reason to do so (hint: profit). But businesses have begun stockpiling inventories, because they can't find buyers, which sooner or later means they will need to start cutting back, too.

VIDEO: Economists discuss whether or not China can save the global economy

Can’t loan anymore money
As for whether Beijing will step up by loaning the U.S. more money, the notion is "nonsensical," said Pettis.  "It’s not really meaningful."

China already owns an estimated $1 trillion of U.S. debt – most of which is U.S. Treasury bonds and the rest in U.S. agency debt. "The U.S. credit crisis has led to losses in China’s own wealth," noted Zhang.  So where are they going to get more money for new loans to the U.S. – to buy more debt?

"The argument was that China already has almost $2 trillion. Yes, but those are already lent to the U.S. and European governments," argued Pettis. "So they can’t re-lend them. They would have to take the money back and then lend it, which is not a new loan."

Rumors of a China-led bailout have been so rife, in fact, that the central bank here, the People’s Bank of China, had to deny reports carried in Hong Kong newspapers that the government would buy up to $200 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries to ease the financial crisis in America.

Adrienne Mong / NBC News
China's reluctant consumers? 

Dealing with its own economic slowdown
"The question is, is it realistic to expect that one country, the size of China's economy, can hold up the rest of the world's economy?" asked Louis Kuijs, Senior Economist with the World Bank.  "I would have my doubts, simply because the size of China's economy is not yet large enough.  It's important to remember that [the Chinese economy] is still significantly smaller than Japan’s and not many people are looking at Japan as the country that can shoulder the rest of the world economy."

As far as the leadership in Beijing is concerned, the best China can do is to maintain its current growth trend, as Premier Wen Jiabao underlined at the World Economic Forum in Tianjin.  "Maintain China's strong, steady and fast growth and avoid fluctuations. This is the biggest contribution to the world economy under the current circumstances," he said.

Keeping economic growth steady is not as easy as it sounds.  In fact, given recent indicators, China is unlikely to do any rescuing apart from its own economy. 

A confluence of factors means that the economic outlook here is less than rosy: growing inflation; slowing exports; a free-falling stock market (down more than 60 percent from its highs in 2007); and a hot housing market that’s cooled (the average rate of property prices on the coast slowed to 6 percent in August from 25 percent last November, according to China Reality Research studies).

Now add to the mix the widening financial crisis which has spread to Europe and parts of Asia. 

"I would be very surprised if a slowdown in world growth did not reflect very, very significantly on Chinese growth," Pettis said. "What we are hoping for is that domestic consumption grows to make up for reductions in export. That is still an open question, we don't know if that is going to happen or not. But, if domestic consumption doesn't grow significantly, I suspect we are going to see a slowdown of the Chinese economy."

And even though an economic slowdown here translates to single-digit GDP growth in the range of 8 to 9 percent (still considered impressive), this would mark the first time an entire generation of Chinese have experienced such a thing.

The last time the Chinese economy suffered was in 1997, around the time of the Asian financial crisis, Pettis pointed out, but that was before the nation saw the kind of wealth accumulation that exists now amongst the middle class.

Feeling their pocketbooks pinched might have serious political implications, too, especially coming on the heels of a Summer Olympics that bolstered popular sentiment for the government.

Indeed, "the next few months in China could be really interesting," said Pettis.

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What about oil producing countries helping shoulder some of this bad debt. It would be quite ironic with leaders like Yugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad infusing oil money to save international markets. The Chineese funds though substantial  are dwarfed  by the oil producing countries assets accrued over the last sixty years.
China by many definitions is still very much an impoverished third world country.Forget Hong kong,Shanghai and the Summer Olympics and focus on the awful living conditions of say,Hubeh,and you get my drift.China might not be even capable of "saving" China let alone any other country.
So, we're in debt up to our necks and need a country (or three) to "step up to the plate and buy more of our debt"???  When are we going to learn?  And, in a faltering global economy that appears to be headed further south than it already is for quite awhile, pray tell where these "economic saviors" are going to be found.  No one has any money to lend.  The question I would like to have answered is, "How could the United States be so blunderously economic short-sighted"?  From the country who brought forth the likes of Benjamin Franklin, who is purported to have said, "Neither a borrower nor a lender be", we're sure collectively acting like a mega-bunch of economic hypocrites.
Prof. Pettis and others point out that China has been giving out 3 trillion USD in loans to the US and UK etc. Can any one list out that who gets what in the fractions of that 3 trillion loans?
It is not China's job to bail us out for our greedy mistakes. Americans are all about spending and haveing the latest Channel or Versace bags. Instead of foolishly spending we should be saving our money. I am of the poor lower-class and I feel that because of other peoples mistakes I am now suffering even worse and so I feel the top money makers should suffer to and learn from their mistakes.
China is still a third world nation with hundreds of millions of people in its rural areas still stuck in a state of grinding poverty.  China's income has come from its lopsided trade with the West, mainly the United States, and its reserves are tied to our currency.  China is utterly at our mercy and if our prosperity declines their economy will drop off into a black hole.  If the world is to be saved only the U.S. can do it, but unfortunately we are rushing headlong to adopt the failed socialist policies that the rest of the world has already tried and demonstrated to be failures.
Why would they want to "bail out America"?  This is exactly what they have been trying for decades to create.  They know they can't best us militarily, so the only other way would be to hep destroy our economy.  MAYBE they didn't directly do it themselves, but this is like the perfect storm for them.  They get what they want without having to dirty their hands.
The crisis could end up as China buying America instead of bailing out America. Chinese may not like to spend, but love to buy properties, especially when they are in good deal. Lots of failing companies aren't really not-profitable in long run. It will be funny to see if some major/well-known US cooperation became a division of some Chinese company. This would become selling uS's future for fixing the current crisis.
They could send us some of their stock piled consumer goods like flat screen tv's, dishwashers and other home appliances. They could supply troops and tanks for us to keep the world safe for democracy and capitilism. They should do this for a land lease like we did for Britian during WW2. Ohhh, that's right, their a communist nation diametricly opposed to everything we stand for,, OOpps how foolish of me.. maybe we could trade california for help. Their socialists anyway right ???
nafta has done well for China, pity it did nothing for the United States..except put us on a spiral downward
Can the economists and others not see that continuing to prop up a consumer oriented economy in the US or push China into becoming another consumption addled society just isn't healthy environmentally, socially or economically. Focusing the world's resources and technology on world-wide infrastructre development, food production, health care, population control and environmental and exploratory science makes alot more sense than billions spent producing the latest gagets and toys for spoiled western markets.
I think China could very well lead the path out of a recession, if they feel like it. But, they still have a tendency to deal mostly with internal affairs. They have just adjusted to being an export giant. I do not think they are yet ready to become Western Style importing consumers. But, China has always been a major world trader historically. Since they see family as more centrist,(it's cultural), they will continue to hoard savings at a much higher rate than Westerners, without cultural appeals. I think this can only reverse if China's middle class are taught that 30% savings are not practical in a 21st century market. (It will confuse them.) However, even a reduction to 15% would have a significant world impact when you consider 1.3 billion people.

Western countries have to lift themselves out of this mostly on their own, short term; and maybe in 2-3 years, China will start to meet us halfway. That is only after it is certain world economic (and probably political) power has shifted in their favor. But first, the Western Powers will have to acknowledge it with some humility.
I don't want to be bailed out by China.
This is dangerous.  The last thing the US needs is more foreign debt, let alone to a country that isn't exactly our best friend politically.  It is not the responsibility of the Chinese to bail out our financial institutions (frankly, it's not OUR government's job, either).
Feeling their pocketbooks pinched might have serious political implications, too, especially coming on the heels of a Summer Olympics that bolstered popular sentiment for the government.

I fail to see how the Olympics bolstered popular sentiment for China here in the US with the public? And with the baby formula issues and previous issues with pet food and toothpaste, I have no respect for China. If people in China have to use these tainted measures to sell their products in order to survive  and if the regulations are so lax as to allow these products to harm people then I certainly don't want China to loan anymore money or buy anymore debt for the US. The US needs to make more of our own products again and not depend on as many imports. We buy too much from foreign imports already.
Nobody bailed the US out of the Great Depression. I think the best path right now is to simply let our economy recover itself - even if that means treading along in recession - it's a cycle.
That $2 Trillion is just on paper, not cash in the bank so a China backed bailout won't be happening.  Could we make it easier for them to import from us, bridge some financial gaps, sure, will it help, not really.  Let's just sell them the whole messed up country and learn to speak Mandarin. I like Chinese food anyway. :)
Huummm  Ever think its was China that helped get us into this mess they got bailed out in the fannie and mac,I dont want their help, Ill take a $90.000 lost frist,And I could go on about this: NO CHINA ,,,Wal MART
Thats what most people can't get through their thick heads (including McCain)-----that when the economy goes sour then NOTHING else matters, and I mean NOTHING!!!----remember that old saying--"It's the economy STUPID"
China cannot save the American economy. Neither can Japan or Russia. Only America can do this and only if we listen to what God says. The America people have robbed God and the only way we can return to our wealth/prosperity is to do what He says:

Listen to HIM:

Proverbs 3:9-10 Honour the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops; THEN your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.  

HE also says: (Malachi 3:8-10
8. "Will a man rob God? Yet you (America)rob me."
     "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings.  

9. You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me.
10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty.
12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty.

Congress had robbed God, Washington has robbed God, You and I have robbed God because of our failure to do what he says. And now, the consequences appear. How do we react? Do what he says! There is no consideartion in the Bible only for Christian people to do this. All people are included! America as a whole!

Think about it!  Our Forefathers didn't have this problem! They gave!
Huummm  Ever think its was China that helped get us into this mess they got bailed out in the fannie and mac,I dont want their help, Ill take a $90.000 lost frist,And I could go on about this: NO CHINA ,,,Wal MART
Wow, after reading through everyone's comments it becomes obvious that we are in this mess because of how stupid people in america have become. we should all get use to this, our future is not that bright.
I agree that a Chinese bailout would be dangerous in the long run.  We have too big a national debt to add to it.  I think that the reckless company excecutives should be paying back as much in millions as they have taken out of the economy.
this is for jane doe in florida. China has a army with over 200 million soldiers. That is more people than the ENTIRE United States. We could not hope to defeat them in a war.And yes they  do  have the bomb and the means to hit the USA. The reason that we are in this mess is because of greed on the part of so many self-centered people in high places in both government and in the private sector.
I really do not think tht China can bail out anyone when they are in really a third world  country.I mean look at their 'space  program' They are just now doing things that the US did in the 1960s.
this is for jane doe in florida. China has a army with over 200 million soldiers. That is more people than the ENTIRE United States. We could not hope to defeat them in a war.And yes they  do  have the bomb and the means to hit the USA. The reason that we are in this mess is because of greed on the part of so many self-centered people in high places in both government and in the private sector.
I really do not think tht China can bail out anyone when they are in really a third world  country.I mean look at their 'space  program' They are just now doing things that the US did in the 1960s.
"China is still a third world nation...China is utterly at our mercy"; "I don't want to be bailed out by China"; --- these two examples of ethnocentric ignorance and bigotry entries are probably enough to demonstrate once more the folksy and asinine (and probably, intrinsic) lore of a late "great" but pugilistic and obnoxious nation. There are a 1,000++ pages worth of examples, but, hey, ignorance is bliss! Let everyone just get deeper into the mudd, let them solve their own problems and stop invading other countries (here's one way to save some cash!). China is an "emerging" market ("third world" parlance has been out of circulation for more than 25 years...after that, there were LCDs...so one gets a pretty good opinion of the age of these bloggers who appear to be adolescents in their late 50s) and no worries, she has no desire to bail you out! China has been re-evaluating its foreign currency holdings policy for many months now....Euros and CHFs are far more attractive. And, for a "thirld world country", the Chinese are smart enough to live within their means and not owe every inch and fibre of their dwellings to total strangers.
all this talk about bailout from China just underscore the panic and desperation that's floating around out there.  Even in the best of time, Chinese government were having a hard time keeping things together in China.  What makes anyone think in this worening global economic condition, that they would have anything to spare fore bailing us out?  Just desperate people grasping at straws.
Who is driving America: Pres.Bush. According to our constitution, we can only sit and watch him driving. He still enjoys 30% support, folks. Who is real threat to America: few taliban terrorists or 30% of those Americans who still think our economy is strong and supports Bush policies. We are not here by accident. We elected irresponsible Govt. not once but twice and we got the result of the same. With the kind of Foreign policy, not to talk to other nations, we alienated ourselves from many strong nations. Now Economy collapsed, security screwed up, foreign relation strained, Global warming ignored, deficits added up month of month for the last 8 years. Now who will help us? we should be happy if they don't hit us. This is Bush America? We will not get help from anywhere. trust me.
Remember capabilities such as analysis and communication capabilities! The "bottom of their class" gang has messed things up enough with simplistic ideas worth more for manipulation than for doing the hard work our leaders have neglected: on intelligence reports to keep from misplacing our power and leading to the need for a costly surge, on regulation-deregulation to keep from falling prey to Keating Five type action and giant bailouts, on diplomacy to keep from losing our standing in the world, and even on flight manuals to keep from losing planes. Capabilities such as analysis and communication capabilities work toward getting the right advisors and coordinating ideas to build back our countries strength. We need those who understand how manipulation from special interest lobby groups uses simplistic ideas to take advantage without dealing with the more complex results that may weaken our country, both here and abroad. We have been taken advantage of in several important areas: the economy, the fight on terrorism, and the diplomacy in our world.  Lets not continue to be distracted with simplistic ideas that manipulate and distract rather than help build back our strength as a nation. We have had a lot of costly poor judgment and the results are upon us. We need to tend toward leadership from the top of the class to build teams to work with the complex results of our past leadership from the bottom of the class. Simplistic ideas we are fed from the special interest groups have some emotional delight but are not enough.
Lock down our borders and stop sending economical aid to other countries.  Stop tax breaks for EVERYONE and shut down greedy, lazy people's welfare.  

How many people in the world hate us, but still take economic aid from us?  Take care of our own problems.
Throughout its history, China has never been expansionist, especially not in geo-political terms. There is a reason why, in Chinese, China is called "Middle Country" (the usual translation is Middle KINGDOM). A country that considers itself to be the very center of the planet is not likely to engage in any so-called adventurous activity (it does not need to) and, therefore, the chance of China-led bail-out are less than remote. China rightly sees its own backyard as the most important -- family, town,city, province, nation, roughly in this order. Invest China will, but only to the extent of its own self-interest. Why should it act otherwise?
Sandra Corl, there is always the soup line for the proud ones. Just bring your soup-bowl, and be sure it is NOT Chinese made.
China probably would bail us out if we asked - they want us to continue to be their best customer just as badly as we want to continue to get cheap goods.  If, however, some sort of political tummult in China occurs and some hardliners take over, exactly what would stop China from SELLING its 2 trillion in treasuries and really wrecking our economy?  You thought the US buying $700 billion was ineffective at producing positive results.... just imagine the damage from someone selling 3 times that much...

The needed course of action is that we need to continue to encourage china's move toward capitalism and away from communism... unfortunately, for the little guy, that means continuing to buy all things made in China, regardless of quality...

The Chinese save more because they don't have a social safety net like our social security. If their government wants to encourage domestic consumption, they need to set up social security and medicare for the elderlies, and affordable student loans for college students. When people know that they'll be cared for financially after retirement and their children will be able to go to college on loans, they're inclined to consume more.

Anyway I don't think China's economy has matured to a point where they can do that yet. The real people who have the money to bail us out are those oil rich countries who hate us whom we don't want to be even more indebted to.
If China bails us out, exactly what will they demand in return?
There is an insurmountable difference that favors the Chinese, and that is they may be mobilized like no other country in the world. Instead of the bickering and finger pointing as in the USA, they stand fast, united and strong. It is a matter of time before they surpass anyone in the world.  Good for them. If this was on a "deserve" basis, they would be on top, we on the bottom.
The last thing America needs is more money from China!  Why don't the call us CHIN-AMERICA??  What is wrong with teaching Americans to depend on themselves?  Why can't we save money and fix this problem ourselves?  Why don't we save money, buy American, and create jobs which will support families here?  

Something is seriously wrong with our government and our country!
AMERICANS HOW MUCH IS ENOUGHT! THE RICH GET RICHER & POOR GET POORER.  IS ONE MAN WORTH BILLIONS OF $$ AS MILLIONS OF CHILDREN STARVE TO DEATH EVERY DAY? IT IS  THE SUPER RICH WHO CONTROL ARE GOVERMENT & THEIR PLAN WAS TO SLOWLY ELIMINATING THE MIDDLE CLASS.  IF THEY DID IT ALL AT ONCE WE WOULD REVOLT! THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOVT. FOR THE PEOPLE IN DECADES! THROW ALL THE GREEDY OSB'S OUT & LET AVERAGE AMERICANS W/REAL AMERICAN MORALES RUN THE COUNTRY. THAT WAS AMERICA'S FOUNDING PRICIPLE! IAM SORRY TO ALL THOSE WHO FOUGHT & DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY THEY GAVE EVERYTHING & THE RICH PROFITED & SOLD THEM & US OUT!

THIS IS THE CHERRY ON BUSH'S PRESIDENCY HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY HE PROBABLY WORST THAN THE FIVE WORST PAST PRESIDENTS COMBINED! HE STOLE THE ELECTION LIED TO US ABOUT IRAQ & EVERYTHING ELSE.

Listening to you own people is the only way to save this country in a long run.
This problem was coming from years ago , all this big companies moving the work force out to china and alot of other contries so they can profit fast and save pennies and making us belive that credit is sooo good ( NO CREDIT you are nobody in USA) get money pay latter is the american dream....and know they whant a bail out from there own mistakes Nooo..... now f--- them i wish there is no bail out. Learn to invest in America --made in America for Americans  
The President need to walk out of the White House and listen to the Citizen.
China relys on the U.S.; not the other way around.

I'm not trying to be elitist or anything, but their reserves are in US dollars. If our dollar or economy (thus, our dollar) collapse, then so does their wealth.

China is still a third-world country; don't just read articles and listen to the news; go and visit China.
Be a president is easy.
Be a qualify president is hard.
a qualify presidnet need to have the ability to foresee things; to tell what informations are correct and what is the wrong one(informations are crictical for success)to tell who are the people around. because these people will affect what you think, what you act.
What an absolutely horrifying concept. To borrow money from a country whose economy WE built in the first place due to the lopsided trade deficit created by NAFTA. China DOES have it's own problems as well, why do you think so many flock over here? And those who do don't benefit our economic situation as well...if anything, makes it even worse. WE need to get out of this mess somehow, but not by allowing China to reap the rewards of failed policies set forth by the Bush Administration and their representatives falling asleep at the wheel.

I pray for us all!
China bailing us out!!! That is uncalled for. We don't need Economist to short out our problem either. Our problem is solved if and when we accept the realty of how we got into this mess in the first place. Upon careful analysis, we can work our way out of this mess. And don't forget that to get there, we need a Futuristic and highly intelligent leader. We should all pray for that one!!!
Forget the chinesee. We are on the brink of a new dark ages.Even the goverment backed savings(FDIC) wont hold up to what is comming
You gotta be kidding.  They cannot even save themselves from the recent scandals of quality assurance of  Made In China.  These are good examples of a growing economy which is corrupted and lacks quality control regulations.  It has potential but they do not realize what it takes to get there the right way.
Great, I'm an old geezer.
What would mankind lose - USA going down the tubes ?
Empires have come & gone before.
So what is new ?
Continents have drifted apart - species appeared & disappeared.
Just elect in the forthcoming election - who you think
could be an agent for the better.
Your life + that of your proginy will greatly depend
on your forthcoming choice !!
IF you don't sleep well tonight - I will have succeeded in arousing you out of your complacency.
The times they're a changing.
"Bob Dillan" quoted.
I should've died earlier and leave beautifull corps!

Love you and leave you.
We are in this messed because of greedy executives. They should all be locked up. They get millions of bonuses while the co. they manage are going under.  
If the chinese are destroying our economy is because we allow them to do it. Dont' get me wrong I am on the rihgt side of the political spectrum but corporate America is giving away our country because of greed. Who will pay the ultimate price? We the American citizens. I was not happy with the idea of the economic bail out and it's not clear if that will really help.
Do we really want to owe more to the chinese government? I DON'T THINK SO.


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