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Israelis looking for stronger U.S. leadership

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:16 AM
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TEL AVIV – This American election has fascinated the planet more than any other in living memory; because it concerns us all more than any other. America’s war is the world’s war and Wall Street’s disaster has infected the globe.

So it is with all the more consternation that observers here regard their putative saviors.

In Israel, with its famously combative and unrestrained media, it is the American system that is under the microscope as much as its representatives. Here, the U.S. presidential race is seen as the bitter old guy and the dimwit versus the untried young guy and the windbag.

VIDEO: Israelis looking for American leadership

And the big issue in Israel is: What kind of a system is it if these are the best they can muster? When the insults halt, the votes are cast and the dust settles, many say that is the question that needs to be answered. Is this really the best America can come up with? Isn’t there a better way to do things?

Long list of issues
From Israel’s narrow focus, America’s next leader is critical.

There is a whole list of short to medium term issues on Israel’s table that most urgently concern American national interests and need intelligent American guidance and leadership: Will Iran get nuclear weapons? Will Israel attack Iran to prevent this? Will Hamas take over the rest of Palestinian territory? Will Hezbollah and Israel go back to war? Will Syria make peace with Israel? Will Israel and Fatah continue their Palestinian peace process?

And all of these issues while Russia is reintroducing itself as a key element in the Middle East by allegedly rearming Iran and Syria. Some of these issues could embroil the entire region in war, others could make a major contribution to overall peace. Foreign observers are scared.

Courting the Jewish vote
So far, none of the presidential or vice-presidential debates have passed without a mention of Israel. And each candidate has made certain to reassure Jewish voters that Israeli is a tried and true ally that must, and will be, defended. On this, there doesn’t seem to be any light between the candidates. For most Israeli analysts, this is a given.

Ironically, the only real debate on this issue is in Israel itself, where most politicians want unquestioning American support, but a vocal minority believes that this unstinting support is actually harmful to Israel; they say Israel needs to stop relying on America.

Only then, they say, will Israel find the need to compromise on key stumbling blocks to peace like full withdrawal from the West Bank.

It was a truism that Israelis favored the old war-horse, Sen. John McCain. But now polls show that the race is more neck-and-neck as far as who Israelis favor.

Looking for a leader, not a stumbling giant
Israel, and its neighbors, need a strong, stable, smart, involved America. What it sees in the American election campaign, especially in the vacuous, talking-point dominated debates, worries everybody – it appears to be a weak, dumb, uninvolved stumbling giant.

It’s a common refrain to hear foreigners say they don’t like the American government, yet they do like the American people; but they mean it, and they have good reason.

To its great credit, despite its travails, America seems as stable as ever, a rock-solid democracy with a reasonably concerned citizenry.

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enough with Israel...we've got enough problems in our basket. let Israel deal with their own problems. remember it is just a nation, not a race.
Obama isn't the leader his advertising ststes. He is an empty suit who on ABC news said" MY MUSLIM FAITH" and you think he is going to do any good for Israel or The USA. He is a fifth column and with Nancy Pelosi and dumbo Reid we will be a third world country where woman have no rights and our economy is selling goats. Gee, people this guy isn't ready to manage a McDonalds
those who do not want unstinting support from the usa are not for the good of israel. thats pretty obvious. will obama really support israel or will he pay lip service til he gets into office and then slowly withdraw support.
As a American Jewish Zionist I now know I need to vote for McCain.  If the Anti-Semitic Anti-Zionists believe Obama is the answer I do  worry for the Jews of the world if he is elected.  I have never seen these same care about the persecuted Jews in the former Soviet Union or the those left stranded in the Arab countries where their existence hangs by a thread.  None of the Arab countries care of fig about the Palestinians except they do not want them in their countries.  
I could *really* care less what happens in Israel. It's time to kick the Israel lobby—and all other lobbyists to the curb. We have enough issues in our own country.
It's hard for me to understand how some, very few people can't see that Senator Obama and Biden, two  very strong, articulate, well educated, experienced individuals aren't the right people for this position. It would be a disaster to put McCain/palin in the Pres./VP-He's angry and out to benefit the rich and she well she's a hockey mom but not qualified for president of the united states and lets face it folks she would be a heart beat away from that
Israelis may look at Obama as that untested young guy, but many of us, including myself, an American lving in Israel, resent the characterization "Is this the best America can offer."  I see Barack as a leader for the ages.  If he succeeds as President he will rank with our greatest.
Thin threads, Thin threads. All through out American history there have been thin threads which have proven to be the silent hand of God moving on behalf of this nation and it will be the same today as it has been. Freedom is a God idea and He will preserve it in this country. The man who will be elected will be elected, if He can use a donky to stop a run away prophet he can change the heart of any a*$
has anybody ever looked at the fact the arabs attacked Isreal in 67?  Why should they give the land back that they won fair and square!  When these people accept the fact that isreal will be there forever and stop terrorism then  they may get that land back!  Look Britian gave most of the land they stole back only after the lands in question became peaceful and capable of controlling the crime etc.
Israel needs to butt out. They have too many crooked politicians of their own to be throwing stones in glass houses. This is America, not some terrorist state sucking the blood out of us. Oh wait...never mind.
Israel needs to stay out of Americas business!! It is time America stop Israel from leading us around like a puppy dog!!  Israel is more of a terrorist country than any of the Arab countries!!  Who we elect is none of their business!  If they want more money or weapons then they need to look to others! I hope if Obama wins America breakes ties with Israel and stops protecting them over America!! Congress has already betrayed America by protecting Israel over this country!!! Why do Israel and the people of the jewish religion have so much control over America??? Why does our government do what the people of the jewish religion say instead of what Americans say???
It seems to me that the world is headed for another world war. Israel will probably use Irac as a launch point to strike Irans nucular facilities. Iran has been to threatening with the US Navy, and the threats to attack American bases. The USA will not stand in the way of Israel as a war is going to be inevitable. The USA already has troops on both sides of Iran making for a good launch of troops into Iran. Syria will more then likely jump in on the action, and possibly Hezbolla. Then, we also got Russia gaining influence with South American countries. Chaves will most likely led the attack from the south while Russia will hit from the north. China, N.Korea,possibly Vietnam, and Indonesia will hit the west coast. Iran may well be the catalist igniting the next major conflict in these tough economic times.
Israel doesn't need our permission to take out any threat.  Ask Iraq!  Go baby go!
That's right, go with Obama and our country will mirror Israel and the rest of the middle east, radical.
None of you above have it right with your philosophies.  If you are not God fearing people, you will not get this...Israel is God's beloved country which he started with the Hebrews (Abraham being the first Jew).  Ishmael was born first, but to an Egyptian slave women and thus started the islamic race.  Ishmael was not blessed by God, by Isaac was and all his descendants thereafter.  Israel was the Promised Land of Canaan in the Bible and it does belong to the Israelis.  Everyone has robbed and raped their land for their uses and purposes and make Israel look terrible for defending it.  Like I said, if you are not a God fearing individual you will not get this, but Israel is to be protected and helped and it is our obligation, and if the USA does not, we will reap the repercussions.  All you have to do if you do not believe me is just watch at what happens to us.  God is a God of love, but he is also a God of wrath.  If we bless Israel, we in the US will be blessed.  If we curse Israel, we in the US will be cursed.  But like I said, you don't have to believe me, just watch what happens.  We are in the end times folks, wake up and get your houses in order.  The USA is very insignificant in YWHW eyes.  HIS Divine eyes are focused on his beloved Israel and what the other nations are doing to her.  Keep this in mind when you see what happens if someone trys to anniliate her.
America alone cannot be the police, the solution or the cause of all that ills this world.

That is why there are organizations called United Nations, NATO and World Court where things could be discussed for all to present their case and come to an agreement... Together, not as a separatist that we have become.   We need to lead for the good of everyone, not just what is of interest to America or it's allies.  You betcha...we will not run out of enemies.
A few tidbits:

If Obama wins - taxes will go up!
If Obama wins - we will move further towards a "socialist" government
If Obama wins - the USA will be flying Old Glory upside down - "COUNTRY IN DISTRESS" symbol!

If McCain wins - taxes may go up because of "scialist bailout" of banks - led by DEMOCRATIC congress for the last 2 years
If McCain wins - your taxes just might go down
If McCain wins - a "commited soldier" will lead us throught the War on Terrorist, which began in 1979 with the Iranians taking over the Embassy and holding 52 hostages for over 400 days!

Folks get real...
Israel is in need now and have not room to criticize.  If they want more, then be more for themselves.  The question about "is this all they could come up with" is stupid because they can't come up with anything.  Their own leadership needs to be smart minded and take care of a few of their own issues.  Don't complain while you're holding out your hand.  If it's not enough then do it yourself.  If someone was standing under your umbrella while complaining about how you were standing and the direction you were looking, what would you do?  I'd tell them to hold their own umbrella.
Medias, Please Be fair, I never heard anyone talking about Todd Palin and his wife Sara Palin joined Alaska Independence Association. Is it a terrorist?! And by the way, as they pointed terrorist professor who's wife endorses McCain.

It does not make sense to me - link Obama's name to his believes. OBAMA is practicing Christian. He got his name from his father. He was in Catholic school in Indonesia. Why people don't go to FactCheck instead boneheaded to what some mean people saying?

This is really disappointed me who is from dictator country. Americans always saying that are in freedom country. I am not an Islam. But what's wrong with people has their own believes? Is there a freedom on religions in Constitution? Is Islam illegal in this country?

In this world, war is the thing destroys human. Weapon is for defense not for attack. Kill only create hates no love and no peace. Do you know some truth the war-lovers? The survivor of the war would not be you guys - because the greedy is evil, the hate, the selfish are evil too! It is not that simple just bad guys and good guys. Evil could be inside everyone, cultivate yourself instead always finger pointing!

I always hope the endless war over in Middle East. Everyone try to be peace maker instead heat things up. Each side has to back off from the battle point. To think about how human can handle different religions and culture! God will reward each of you!

A good place to start would be to root our corruption at home with more transparency upon the arms traders and those who profit from war..all over the globe.

And then maybe we might get somewhere.
DISARM ISRAEL NOW!
Well, the arabs in that region want Jerusalem. Jerusalem is Israeli territory, obviously the arabs won't get it. That is why there is no peace. Aside from that most if not all of the surrounding arab countries want Israel wiped of the map. There will not be peace when most of the near by countries are racist. If you ask me both Obama and McCain will help Israel because the USA and Israel need each other  to fight terrorism and hostile countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

I suppose one of the smallest countries in the world is supposed to wait until they are destroyed to protect themselves.

The countries that surround Israel have expelled the "Palestinians" time and time again for thousands of years. Those countries have 50X the land Israel has and have NEVER offered one parcel of it to aid the "Palestinians". Instead, the world expects Israel to hand over land to a group of people that think Israel shouldn't exist.

Stop treating Israel differently than you would treat your own country...that is unless you are willing to give Al Qaeda part of Montana.

For the "Palestinian" apologists...

Yasser Arafat turned down the best peace plan ever offered.

A deal that most Israel's were against but were willing to go along with for peace.

The reason Yasser turned it down is because he would have become worthless.

He never wanted peace.

Simply put...he wanted to be wanted.
Obama will do the right thing as it relates to Israel.  Like Clinton, Mr. Obama will engage the Israelis.  He will work to get all parties engaged in peace efforts. Alternatively, Mr. McCain will do what Mr. G.W. Bush did; cut off talks, stop forward progress with the peace negotiations, and pivot to provoke Iran, or worse still, manufacture a reason to justify a unilateral attack on Iran.  McCain has telegraphed the later.  The question is Israel is bigger than both men.  It's not about being partisan.  It's not about so-called leadership.  It's about being obedient. Read your Bible.  We must take care of Israel at all costs.  We must be obedient.  May God continue to have mercy on all of us.  May God bless us all.
quoted from another poster:
"We need to stop our unilateral support of Isreal while completely ignoring the Arabs.  We need a more even handed approach to Middle East peace so that finally we can get both sides to the bargaining table to make serious efforts at making peace.  Isreal has to give back the lands it has stolen from the Palestinians. "

Yes it all makes sense now!! We americans should also give back the lands that we stole from the american indians, I mean its only fair right?
Please people! Stop bashing Israel, and let's remember that just a half century ago they were being exterminated. I think for what the world has done to them, they deserve at least a small piece of land in the vast middle-east. Support for Palestinians and Arabs? I personally advise against any interaction with any country in this world where women are being raped without repercussions and where the concept of human rights doesn't exist.
You want peace in the middle east? Then stop hating the Jews... what the hell is wrong with you people? Leave them alone in the land they have, and I am willing to bet that they won't invade any other country, and will stop killing the terrorists that keep attacking their way of life.
As fas as Obama and McCain.. Yes McCain is definitely the most aggressive of the two. I predict Obama intends to get involved in the world, only as far as we are backed up up by the UN or other western allies. This is probably a good thing for our country right now, since we are not as strong as we once were. On the other hand... let's remember all the good America has done in this world, including giving the world democracy, technology, and pushing the rest of the world to abandon their archaic concepts which disregard human rights. Should America be involved somewhere in the world where humans are being treated blatantly unfairly? Absolutely!! Is a lot of the rest of the world a bunch of cowards, driven by only self-interest? Absolutely! That's why they often don't do anything when terrible things happen around the globe. Should America stop mixing "freedom wars" with self-interest? Absolutely!
Obama will make a horrible president, and so will McCain.  We don't have any good choices this year...kinda like every other election year!  None of the Independents, Libertarians, etc. are even good choices.  This is pathetic that both Democrats and Republicans can't pick someone who is even somewhat worthy of being the next president.  Neither of them could answer a yes or no question in the debate!  I agree with Israel on this one.  By the way...Israel will just use the nuclear weapons we gave them if Iran attacks.
We do need to refocus and get our country back on track. We have plenty to deal with here at home.  I'm all for assisting others throughout the world but we must first began at home.
As an Israeli, I have a small wish: Please do not start wars on our behalf, we do well by ourself, thank you. And for those who wrote above, the Iraq war statrted because of Bush's friends in Saudia..nothing to do with us.

Any enemy of Islamic terrorists should be backed to the extreme. It's in the civilized world's best interests, regardless who becomes President, to eliminate this cancer from society.
western civilization was build on the"idiot" bible. so u might want to look into that. and somehow i dont think giving up more of israel's historic land . the only land the jewish people can ever call their   to arab migrants. Will stop islams quest for world domination. if israel falls arabs will then move on to europe and america. why do u think u.s leaders support it.
when will israel become the 53rd state of america.
It seems like it is part of u.s. , it is very funny
how the canidates have to get their blessings from
Israel before one of them goes to the white house.
I wonder why there were no questions to the two candidates during the debate in Mississippi on how they will end Israel 40+ years of Palestinians oppressive occupation.
The Palestinians and Israelis conflict as been the reason why the Arab & Muslim world hates the US government foreign policy.
The US needs a President that as courage to stand up first for the self-interest of the American people, instead of a foreign country that as been nothing but a millstone on our neck.
Unfortunately, neither Obama and especially McCain have the back bone to confront the powerful AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbyist, unless they want to lose the election.
This proves that our foreign policy as been hijacked by American Jews who’s primary interest is to benefit Israel at the expense of American service men & women blood and treasure  
Brad from D.C,Marnie Grunt,Dave Rotundo,et... You are correct in your views that we pay WAY too much for Israel. Time to unload that bad stock. Oh, it doesn't matter what it says in the Koran/Bible. This world has to be governed by REASON not fairy tale belief systems. Grow up!!
This election is nothing but a popularity contest being voted on by the same idiots that vote on shows like "Americas Got talent", "Dancing with thestars", etc etc .    Too bad that the U.S. has sunk so low.  Oh, and by the way, everyone might want to study up on the Koran.  Idiots ... you'll be getting what your meager IQs want all right ...
How about what I want in an Israeli Prime Minister?  Someone who won't make their country's problem my country's problem.
Don't you idiots read the bible. If Israel falls so does the rest of mankind. Israel just wants the right to exist and be left alone. Obama does not have the experience to guard us from terrorist. You can bash bush as well but we have not been attacked in our home land since 911. Why does people not understand you fight them there to keep from fighting them here.
We need a real leader. Obama wants peace in the world. The Neocons pushed us into war with Iraq and now Neocon Mccain wants war with Ira. Bush promised a Palestinianstate by 2005 and lied. Bush said there would be peace plan by the time he left office. I seriously doubt it will happen. The Israelis are committing genocide against the Arab Palestiinians. It is time for a real two state solution. No puppet governments.When the Gaza strip and the occupied territories have airports and free travel I will believe in a true free and independent Palestine.
MMT has it right. These are God's chosen people and the land they occupy is theres. For years others have tried to take it away. The God of Israel is a loving God, but his wrath is something to be behold. The Old Testament points out many victories by David and his armies."The king kills his thousands, while David kills his tens of thousands" Why was David granted victory becuase he was on God's side, his enemies were not. And when David fell out of grace with God, (remember David was God's chosen warrior) God made sure he had he rear end handed to him and lost the battle. Moral of the story (and the Bible is not a story!) Those who support Israel are seen as favorable in God's eyes. Those that don't (Look at the example above) pay dearly. Want peace in the Middle East, Arabs, Jews, Islamics are all going to have to get along and restore to Israel what God gave them. The Promised Land
If Israel doesn't like us any more, we can take the ball and come home.  No more $$$$, no more help.
In reply to Dale, "Sir, didn't this REPUB:ICAN administration BAIL OUT Wall Street to the tone of 700 million?", now if that's not Socailism, what is?
All you people who have an opinion about how we should proceed with Iran, yet have no military experience, should go jump off a cliff. Iran is a serious threat, especially with nuclear capibility. N. Korea is a huge threat, especially with nuclear capibility. Some of you are just finding anything you can to complain about. How about instead of bitching about all the things you see wrong in this country and how it's ran...hhmmm, I don't know; maybe go pick up a weapon and fight the war on terror. Do something for this country besides taking up space and complaining about everything you see wrong. This country is a great country, a powerful country, and a free country; many of which you take for granted. Instead of bitching about Israel and how you don't like what they are doing...hhmm, I don't know; do some reasearch on their belief system and the historical nature of their great country. If you have never been to the middle east then how can you truly understand how they operate. The answer is simple; you can't! The minute we stop supporting Israel will be the downfall of the U.S. Some of you would rather only care for those of the United States, but why is that? I'll tell you why; because your selfish. America has the greatest fighting force this world has ever seen, and I know from first hand. The world relies on us for help; and we answer. We have been given much, and to that much is required. Israel is our only true ally in the middle east. You say let Isreal take care of itself. That is like saying "Let Brittain allow America to take care of itself." Some of you people have absolutely no strategic insight on how we have stayed the most powerful country. It's not just because we are who we are. It's because we have had leaders, despite their indifferences, who have fought the fight to keep us allied with certain countries. It really saddens me to read what some of you wrote. It shows me the stupidity of many of you Americans and how much you take living in this country for granted. I pray that we do not ever allow Israel to stand on their own.
what a bunch of stick your head in the sand weenies, and that's exactly what you'll get with obama. that's been proven not to work either. spineless!
western civilization was build on the"idiot" bible. so u might want to look into that. and somehow i dont think giving up more of israel's historic land . the only land the jewish people can ever call their   to arab migrants. Will stop islams quest for world domination. if israel falls arabs will then move on to europe and america. why do u think u.s leaders support it.
How much of the fear in the world markets is related to the possibility that Sarah Palin could become president of the USA, considering the fact that she is minimally educated, has little to no experience in managing a sizeable economy and has essentially no geographic or cultural experiences ?
I urge all of you to read the book - By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer   by Victor Ostrovsky
Lets just sell weapons to both sides (Israelis and Arabs) and let them go at it again. The U.S can make money off the whole deal, and if history has taught us anything Israel will dominate and maybe the Palestinians and other Arab nations will finally understand they cannot defeat Israel, at least not by conventional arms.
Israel doesn't need to give anything back to anyone. They got those lands after repelling attacks from multiple countries. Sounds like they won them about as fair as it gets in this world. Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt would not have gone to war without each other. Three on one? Typical Arab cowardice. If this was just a few hundred years ago, Israel would be looked down upon if it didn't take over the defeated countries entirely. The Arabs are lucky that Israel still lets them exist at all. Some of you people really act like you were born yesterday.
I am really dismayed to see so many people having the impression that the US is fighting Israel's wars.  In fact, Israel has never asked for anyone to fight its own battles - only for the ability to do so.

The middle east is a tough neighborhood and if you've never lived there it is really difficult to have perspective.  While Israel is not perfect the reality is that the Palestinians, Iran, and Arab countries are ruled by either corrupt dictatorships or religious extremists who use the Palestinians in order to deflect their people's attention away from their own governments and so they don't have to deal with the Palestinians themselves.

If you know the modern history, it was the Arab countries that first rejected the UN Mandate and a Palestinian state because they thought they could defeat the newly founded Israel and drive the Jews into the sea.  

Now, the same country rulers (especially Iran) are not interested in having the Palestinians make peace because it is against their own interests which is to spread their extremist Shiite Islam throughout the middle east.  Israel is also a good distraction from their own domestic policies and problems.


Israel cannot mae a lasting peace with the Palestinians or Syria for that matter while the real intention is not peace but a respite to rebuild, rearm and restart the "resistance" against Israel.  This is an exasperating situation for Israel to be in.  For those that think Israel has been just killing and stealing know this: Israel has the military capability to bomb Syria, Lebanon and Palestinians to the pulp leaving little left.  while Hezollah and Hamas fire at Israel from schools and villages they do so knowing full well Israel has the moral dilemma of not being able to fire back into those population centers.  

This is not a simple issue and those that have simple solutions are fooling themselves.
People you just don't get it or don't care! Israel is God's own people. Mess with them at your own risk. Ok it biblical, but hey guess what everything else that has come to pass is also. Besides They are the smallest of contries and we always go for the underdog! They are also the most stable of any contry in that part of the world because of us. Obama isn't my choice for pres. but he is not stupid enough to pull support and destabalize that part of the world. And By the way. Scr-- the UNITED NATIONS what a worthless piece of horse dung. The US should cease all support for that league of worthless/useless organization


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