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The ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan’s biggest city

Posted: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:28 PM
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KARACHI, Pakistan – In the back of a jeep driving through Karachi, a sign on the wall of the city’s famous "Village Restaurant" caught my eye. It was just a little piece of frayed white paper plastered next to the restaurant’s much bigger logo, tempting customers to "Experience the Exotic of Traditional Dining." 

But the printed sign expressed an increasingly urgent plea in this teeming port city, once Pakistan’s capital: "Save your city from Talibanization," it said in English. 

But could the Taliban really be taking over Karachi? Karachi is Pakistan’s biggest city, far from the lawless tribal hinterland along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. 

Out there, Taliban and al-Qaida militants have carved out an independent state. In the mountains, militants have their own courts and even issue licenses to local business. Last week in the tribal area, the Taliban publicly executed a group accused of murders. In another village square, they flogged several butchers for allegedly selling the meat of sick animals. That is Taliban justice. 

U.S. military and intelligence officials consider that border area to be the world’s biggest, most dangerous safe haven for Taliban and al-Qaida fighters. Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar and nearly all of their deputies have been based, and may still be based, in this often impassible mountain terrain. 

But I was in Karachi, a giant city on the Indian Ocean. If Karachi is being ‘Talibanized,’ Pakistan is in real trouble, and so is everyone else. 

Growing radicalism
Karachi has a history of Islamic radicalism. Wall Street Journal correspondent Daniel Pearl was kidnapped in front of the Village Restaurant in 2002. Pearl had been meeting contacts here. They were supposed to help him investigate Richard Reid, the "Shoe Bomber" who tried to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris in December 2001. 

But Pearl’s meeting was a set up. The "contacts" turned out to be fanatic militants who kidnapped and beheaded him. I was about to discover the radicals’ presence in this city appears to have grown since then.

Traveling in Karachi is both overwhelming and exhausting. It is a colorful, chaotic and undeniably dirty city. Flocks of vultures circle the sky all day. Trash lines many of the streets.  As we drove from the Village Restaurant, our jeep darted around swarms of motorcycles, pickup trucks, rickshaws and even a sad looking camel pulling a cart stacked with barrels. 

Karachi, Pakistan street.
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An empty street in Karachi, Pakistan. 

We were headed to a neighborhood in west Karachi where I had been told al-Qaida and Taliban militants had established a safe haven. Many Pakistanis make little distinction between al-Qaida and the Taliban.  Both want to destabilize Pakistan and Afghanistan, establish an even bigger base of operations and spread their aggressive, intolerant vision of Islamic law. 

The majority of people in Karachi want no part of it. Karachi is Pakistan’s cultural capital, the center of the nation’s fashion, high-tech and media industries. But that Karachi is under siege. 

After about 30 minutes in traffic, our jeep arrived at the office of a local contact in a slum in west Karachi. Fearing for his safety, he didn’t want to be identified. I’ll call him Malik. He would take us deep into the alleys on the outskirts of Karachi, a neighborhood filled with brick homes built around cliffs and marble quarries. It would be unwise, Malik said, to venture in alone.

"It is too dangerous," he said. "The Talibans have their checkpoints, bunkers and snipers. At night, they patrol, sometimes on horses. They are always coming out with their weapons and RPGs intimidating people."

Malik said radicals have been flooding into Karachi since this spring, moving in from the border region. The border region is now a warzone, under attack by the Pakistani military and, controversially here, by U.S. drones and Special Operations Forces (SOF) that carry out raids from bases in neighboring Afghanistan. 

The Pakistani and U.S. military offensives have killed hundreds of militants, but scattered many more. Increasingly, they are settling in Karachi. Estimates of Karachi’s population range from 12 to 18 million. The lack of accountability makes the city a great place to hide, unless you look like I did as I descended from the jeep dressed in khakis and a blue shirt.

Malik and I were standing in front of one of west Karachi’s madrassas, a traditional Islamic school for boys.

"Are there any students inside," I asked a guard. He stared back at me blankly.  In less than a minute there were about 15 people around us. Several appeared to be madrassa students who had come out to see what a foreigner could possibly want from them.

"Are you all students at the madrassa?" I asked. A few said they were.

‘God willing, we will fight them’  
Many Pakistanis attend madrassas because they offer free education, supplementing the government’s lacking public school system.  For centuries madrassas were the only form of education in the Islamic world.  From Morocco to Indonesia, most madrassas have a similar layout, with a mosque at the center and classrooms upstairs.  The vast majority of madrassas are moderate charities that teach religious values, the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet Mohammed. 

But some madrassas in Pakistan have churned out suicide bombers indoctrinated in jihad and a paranoid but widespread philosophy that they must attack innocent civilians to defend their faith from the United States, Israel and other modern-day "crusaders."  

Former President Pervez Musharraf promised to reform and regulate Pakistan’s hard-line madrassas.  It never happened.  According to Karachi’s former mayor Farooq Sattar, there are now more than 2,000 illegal madrassas in Karachi alone. This was one of them.

"What do you think of the Taliban and their influence here?" I asked the students.

More blank stares.

"What do you think about the U.S. incursions?"

That got a reaction.

"God willing, we will fight them," said one teenager with a purple scar on his chin. "They are the enemy," he said and launched into a long explanation of America’s goal to occupy Muslim lands and undermine Islam. I’ve heard the same speech from Cairo to Lebanon, Baghdad to Riyadh. God bless the Internet.

A few minutes later my driver/fixer, a very tough guy from a very tough part of Pakistan, tapped me on the shoulder.

"I think you have been here long enough," he said. It was time to go.

But I still hadn’t seen any Taliban.  

Malik suggested we go deeper into the slum, to the neighborhood right under the cliffs and quarries.  He was nervous about taking a foreigner, but had an idea. There was a graveyard in the area.

"We can pretend to be offering prayers for the dead," Malik suggested.  "I’ll pray over one of the graves and you can see the neighborhood for yourself."

Malik said praying at a gravesite would give us an excuse to be in the area and raise less suspicion. 

‘You should not be here’
It didn’t exactly work. As soon as I stepped out of the jeep by the gravestones, I was again surrounded by a group of people. They didn’t have weapons or appear threatening, but didn’t attempt to hide their sympathies for the Taliban. One man proudly told me several suicide bombers had prayed in a nearby mosque.

But others were scared of the Taliban. A man who spoke English told me the Taliban were in control of the area.

"Do the Pakistani police or soldiers ever come here?" I asked him.  "No, they can’t come here."

"How do people feel here?"

"We are all frightened. The Taliban has taken over."

More men, athletically built in their 20s and 30s, started to arrive.

"Who are these people?" I asked the English speaker.

"They are Taliban."

"Do they understand what we are saying?  Do they understand English?"

"No, but you shouldn’t stay here. It is not comfortable here. You should not be here."

"Who runs this neighborhood?"

"They do." 

The new arrivals didn’t want to be interviewed.

"Stop asking them questions," the English speaker advised. 

We left a few minutes later. 

"We couldn’t come here at night," Malik said as we were driving out of the neighborhood.  "Now we had an excuse to come to the graveyard.  But at night, there would be no reason to be here."

‘It’s sad’
Driving back to the hotel, I kept thinking how a neighborhood in Karachi could be so tense and apparently out of control. In less than two hours, and without any prior arrangements, we’d managed to get to an area full of Taliban supporters and where many locals were clearly terrified.

As I walked back to my hotel room, I passed an old man in the hallway. 

"I didn’t know you people were still coming here," he said.  By "you people" I assumed he meant foreigners.

"Yes, a few. Not many of us," I admitted.

"I didn’t think anyone would be coming anymore," he added, saying he was upset by the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, one of the centers of social life for Pakistan’s shrinking expatriate community.

"It’s sad," he said. "It’s sad it’s come to this."

"Yes, it’s sad," I agreed.

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Im so pleased to see a journalist with guts. I think its great that Mr Engel is willing to risk his personal safety to get the story out to what is really going on in this world.
And McCain still calls Iraq the front line in the war on terror...
Karachi is supposed to be a sort of twin city for Bombay since british times and while Bombay is going places karachi has descended into anarchy.the only solution to this problem is a EU kind of union of india n Pak so that the non muslim n more professional armies of india can combine with the Pak army to stop this menace.Pak is a failed state coz the 2 nation theory of dividing the indian subcontinent to create an islamic state of Pak is absolutely wrong and has creayed this monster for us. only a united indo pak federation like the union of germany can guarantee everyones safety and even nuclear security but no one has brought up this kind of solution.
60 years of independence, gone, and the country is still unable to establish basic education, law & order, a sense of religious tolerance, a respect for life, equality....  This, despite all the power yielded by dictators who claimed they were doing the right thing and despite BILLIONS of dollars of aid.  Sad indeed.
This presadent droped the ball on this one.left a mess and ran out on the people that needed us the most.all for the bottom line.shame, shame on us for letting it happen.here we go again.do we need a nother black eye to get it right this time.reach out! is that so hard?one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Gee, George Bush, thanks SOO much for diverting our attention from the REAL 9/11 killers to Iraq, where there were no terrorist camps, no Al Quaida, until WE attacked them.  Now Al Quaida and their Taliban buddies have had years to regroup, restrategize and migrate into Pakistan.  Nice work, George.  McCain is no better.  He thinks just the same way.  While Osama bin Laden and Co. plan their next coup, McCain is focusing on "winning" in Iraq....whatever THAT means.  Afghanistan should have been our focus and stayed our focus.  Obama has been right all along.
There's going to be revolution in Pakistan, it is inevitable.  When it comes it will spill into India, Afghanistan, and Iraq.  If it goes poorly and the government begins to lose control, then many other players may be forced to get involved.  They do have nukes, you know.  Unfortunately the world will not tolerate another American "invasion" of an Islamic country.  That's not to suggest that America will have the resources to go in when the time comes.  America has been rendered impotent by its leadership.  It's going to get bad unless the rest of the world puts up a fight.
I live in his city for 40 year and wacth so many ups and down.City of 17 million and most mix papolation of pakistan .I assur you that talibnization will never hapend here becouse living style karachi not macth with taliban.Talibanization is propaganda from MQM (for vasted intrests).
Great story...well written. What's sad however, is that we're all connected and we still don't get it.
I happen to go thrugh your article.I  spent best part of life in Karachi.As a young merchant marine officer,i rally enjoyed livung there.It is very disappionting to listen what is happening in Karachi.I wish modern world shall not abondon that nation and  come up with new ways and means to bring them back to world we are proud to live in.
My heart bleeds seeing how this country based upon moderate ideologies has been held hostage by these so called 'Protectors of islam'. Karachi boasts the highest population of educated people in the country but these people dont have the power or courage to fight the Talibanization of the city. The government, inept as always, is too busy padding their own personal swiss bank accounts to really worry about this.    
So, Mr.Engel, what do you think we should do?  You have seen it first hand. You have seen the terror and the fear. You have seen the war-like attitude and the desperation. They outsed Musharaf - and there are differing opinions as to whether that was good or bad. As an American-born Pakistani, I speak for the masses when I say, "we don't want radical Islam killing everyone off".  Only God (whoever that may be to whomever) can save anyone since this has gotten so out of hand.
Its very unfair that Karachi has been described as a city which is unsafe, dirty and full of men who are violent or then ready to terrorise and kill innocent people.
As a Karachiite I do realise that it has become unsafe in the past couple of years and we cant have the same freedom we enjoyed before BUT there is much more to Karachi than madrassas and illiterate children.
Your article is giving a very one sided opinion. Why has Karachi been portrayed so negatively? I live in that city and so does my family and friends and yes we know we are facing lots of problems. Suicide bombings are happening all over the world but so are suicide killings. What about the increase of college kids pulling out guns and killing their classmates and then themselves. they are literate and there is no talibanisation there but it is still happening isnt it?
Regardless what scares me the most is not terror caused in Karachi by talibanisation BUT that articles like these will convince the world and America that it is justifiable to one day enter Pakistan and our fate will be like those of Iraqis and Afghanis.
Its a shame to see such a lively city go down the the drain.I was in Karachi for almost a year,trying to clear the professional exams for my commercial pilots licence (CAA had its headquarters in Karachi).Often getting tired of studying we would venture out to Tariq Road at 3 AM in the morning to have a Crush Cola or a Paan(beetle leaf).The whole city would be alive and people would be out enjoying themselves without any fear.
I guess good things don't last very long.
It is sad, I agree.  More of Americans should read srtories like this.  American Soldiers go there to help these countries, the only resistance usually given is from the insurgents, the rest of the population only says what they feel and do not understand that America does not come to take over but to assist, to get them their country back.

No matter the reason, ie, oil, trade goods, etc it doesnt matter, the peace of the world is what is most important.  Their fear speaks for them.  In being in those countries form experience, they are afraid, its nothing less than the neighborhood bully concept except in these case its a huge gang, and they do not care whom they hurt, they will get their way.  

Some say its not Americas business to get involved, I say, we do the right thing and get more involved.  We are considered a "super power", we have so much more than most of these people do, why shouldnt we be the big brother of the world and do our very best to STOP TERRORISM?
I signed my name on a dotted line for that reason, and I would do it again.  Unless you have been there, you cant have a clue, a feel for what goes on around you.

I have seen many news stories before I left, and since I have returned, I learned at my age that WOW does the media totally form peoples opinion for them.  But when thats all you are shown, not both sides of the coin, then that can be all you know yes?  Sort of liek theman in this story who thinks that America is there to take over.  its all he knows...has he ever spoke to an American and found out why?  No, he only knows by what he is told and shown.

Yes it is very sad.....
And some people wonder why it's necessary for U.S. soldiers to cross the Afghan/Paki border.  Here you have Taliban essentially out in the open, and the Pakis do nothing.  
Pakistan is a wonderful land with wonderful people and yes, exotic food that makes my mouth water just thinking of it.  The Taliban and al-Qaida are bullies in the playground of the Islamic world.  Where chicken sh!t police and politicians exist and permit this cancer to grow, the civilian population will always end up being the ones to suffer.  Sadly, is makes no difference if it's bullies in Pakistan or in our own communities.  The mentality is the same.  It's unfortunate that they have to use Islam as a crutch to beat their own people with.  That's pretty much the same tactic bullies all over the world use.  
Pakistan is extremely pivotal in the fight against terorism in other words, the coming fight over global control.  All the little dominoes are falling into place.  A shame so few see it.
I have to say, this guy who went to this part of Karachi has a lot of guts in light of what happened to the one from the Wall Street Journal.  Either that or he doesn't put much value on his life.
I wonder if the Israelis consider Pakistan a potential target along with Iran?  Surely they have plans.  The power struggle in Pakistan could veer towards radical Islamic control in the blink of an eye.  Musharraf was fortunate to stay alive as long as he did.  Probably much less of a priority target now that he has relinquished his hold on the government.
US forces didn't defeat the Taliban, just displaced them and returned them to what they do best - grass roots insurgency.  Had the US not supported them against the former Soviet Union they could not have won a country on their own, and were probably surprised when they did. They remain honorable in Arabic eyes because they refused to compromise their guest - al Qaeda - when the US demanded that they give them up.  This was something that they could not do because they had essentially opened their homes to their "guest" and were honor bound to defend them, even to the extent of losing their own homes.  This they did.  It is this sense of honor and belief in traditional ways that the US is fighting, and can only contain, not defeat.  And containment is a forever process when you're dealing with beliefs. Places may be razed and believers killed, but this simply fuels greater radicalization.  Our own Revolution should make this clear.  So, the question is how to learn to live with people who teach their children to hate us and kill us.  Perhaps we should listen to what they have to say about the way that we live our lives and actually hear them.  So, I leave this with a challenge to others - find what they have said, meaning any and all of our Islamic foes, and examine ourselves.  If we are blameless and have nothing to apologize for or behaviors to correct, then by all means, kill 'em all and sort 'em out later.  But, if truth is revealed in what they say, then perhaps we should look at ourselves and make some changes before we engage in a larger land war in Asia.  This violence won't stop until we find a different way.  "They" will answer every blow with one of their own.  This is their tradition and way of life.  Why do we want to be like them? A short time ago an Afgani man was interviewed about the fighting there.  He was asked about the American "time line."  His reply was that the Americans may have a time line, but the Taliban own the calendar.
I wish you peace.
Engel has a lot of guts. It's fascinating and also scary to read about this. I can't help wondering why he chose to chose to be conspicuous in khakis and a blue shirt.  How soon before all of Pakistan explodes in Civil War?
This has got to be a "Texas Hold'em" Power Play in Poker. The Government comes up with a PLAN in 3 days, doesn't approve their own PLAN. George W. Bush, in tears because 1.2 Trillion was lost on Monday. The stock market world-wide plummets, investors around the world dump Billions if not Trillions of dollars into the market.....then on Thursday the US Congress will rush in to approve 700 Billion Dollars!

In effect a good Bluff to all the countries of the world, which will end up in poverty and American's will have the richest country in the world. As China, Japan, Germany, Italy, Brazil, Austrialia, and the other countries will have to borrow money from the US.

People it is a POKER PLAY!
Its almost comical to read all of the tales of Osama and his plans for the future, If you can open your eyes and look at the REAL, HARD evidence it is so apparent that our own government is the very institution responsible for 9-11. Osama has got nothing to do with it other than taking the blame, just like our government wants all of us to believe. C'mon its time to wake up and hold our Government responsible for what happened on 9-11.
Excellent article and hats off to Richard  for enlightening us on what is really happening!
So much for McBush's "foreign policy" expertise.  He cannot, or will not, concede that Afghanistan/Pakistan is the real front line in the war against Al-Queda/Taliban and not Iraq.  We cannot afford 4 more years of this stupidity. ENOUGH!! Obama/Biden 2008!!!
I love these morons who blame the Iraq war for this problem.  The reason that these people are emerging in Kirachi is because our forces in Afghanistan are doing their jobs.  The animals are being outsted by U.S. and NATO forces from their mountain hideaways in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Iraq or no Iraq, the result would be the same.  With no Iraq and more Western forces in Afghanistan, it just would have happened sooner.  

The point is to eliminate these people by crushing them between a rock and a hard place.  Unfortunately, Pakistan is not nearly hard enough.  Something needs to be done to stiffen it up and get it to go after the Taliban with much more force.
Just sad to see how a beautiful city is turning into hot bed for the Taliban and Al-Qaeeda.
"It is a colorful, chaotic and undeniably dirty city. Flocks of vultures circle the sky all day. Trash lines many of the streets." This is the cultural capital?  High Tech?  Fashion?  WOW!  Sounds like a real hell hole to me.  Sounds like a perfect place for the taliban and al-qaida.

"As I walked back to my hotel room, I passed an old man in the hallway. "I didn’t know you people were still coming here,".

This does not sound like a place I want to spend my time sightseeing or on vacation.  
Amazing article, thank you for some real insight.  We need more of these types of reports, so we can see what really needs to be done.  I think you are doing a great justice for the American public.
There were billions from the US tax payer that went into this. I think people should preach peace all the time. Taliban will never go away. Just like the rapists, kidnapers and other anti-social elements. So there is no solution. The good guys win on good days! As long as America has people who do drugs, Taliban has another source of income.
Unfortunately you don't understand the nature of Karachi Politics. The party in charge of running Karachi is the MQM which is run like a Mafia. This is MQM propaganda and its a preemptive to tell the government we exercise the right to once again use fascist tactics. George Bush is not the only person using fear, fear is being constantly used in Pakistan for political gain.
World's only terrorist state is the USA. It is a country whose government uses terrorism as a tool of state policy. Who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Who used chemical and biological weapons against innocent Vietnamese civilians? Who massacred millions of Iraqis to capture their oil fields? The list of crimes committed by terrorist USA against humanity is endless.
Richard Perle was investigating the ISI's connection to 911 & he was murdered on orders from them and perhaps the CIA, get your fact straight. This article does nothing more than perpetuate the so called evils of the "filthy muslims" & sets the stage for more invasions and injustice done in the false war on terror.
To Sukaina of Karachi, Pakistan, the very fact that in your posting you state that you do not have the freedom you once had but then still want to know why your city was portrayed so negatively. IF YOU HAVE LESS FREEDOM, SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON! The article was not about a negative Karachi, it was about a negative thing happening to a good city like Karachi. I hope all the welfare and wellbeing of all the residents continues upward and not downward.
Someone sent a comment on how the political power filled their Swiss Bank accounts and can leave the country.  Another American failed state because we prop up a dictator and when the dictator is eliminated our influence and respect are gone. George Bush wasted so much money on the wrong country and worse then that the lives of soldiers with speeches of glory and freedom.  We would not have these problems if different methods and respect were used..  
talibanisation of karachi is never going to happen.karachi has a population of 17 to 20 million and there may be some supporters of taliban in that population,but karachi is a very liberal city.(not mini skirt liberal but say your mind liberal)there is huge zorastiatrian temple right inthe centre of the city which has been in use since ancient times.there are several churches,convents,ancient hindu temples all over the city.in 1992 when there were hindu muslim riots in india ,the local groups actually took it upon themselves to make sure the hindus of karachi are not hurt in revenge.majority of the population is muslim of course and you will find mosques everywhere. majority of the population is educated .it is a big city and there are people from literally evrey race and religion in karachi and you cannot tell people not to come.it is of course going through bad times economically and that probably is going to be a bigger problem then a few talibans in some hidden neighbourhood(if they are really taliban).
I'm sure Obama could fix this with diplomacy (lol)
Thanks, Richard and your crew for going to the tough places that have been abandoned to be the voice to the "voiceless".
Engel is a real HERO, not a victim self proclaimed "hero" like John McCain --- a POW!
Thank you Richard Engel for a fascinating report. You are a very brave man to venture into that area, especially after what happened to Daniel Pearl. I've alway enjoyed your television reports and now I know your writing is on the same par. Keep it up but stay safe!
i just wanted to add few things. for those who make fun about 60 years of freedom and still striving for basic education and right outcry. do you guys forget that in america white womens got right to vote in 1924 and excatly when we declared independance?? if this is too far for your naive memories then try to recall 1964. what happend that year. oh don't remember african americans got their right to to vote. after how many years of independence???? secondly to the lady who said that pakistan is a threat to israel and maybe israel considered pakistan its enemy. well for your knid information if you come out from your shell and stop listening to your local media and search some international news. in 1984 or 1985 israel and india had conducted a joint operation already to take out pakistan's nuclear facilty what happend? obviously they failed!! my point is please please for god's sake whomever you belive in don't jump on conclusions. pakistani govt is tring hard to eradicate extremism. if some say they are not serious then why they have ovewhelming military casulaties compared to NATO allies in afghanistan? check for stats. it's a long war. yes there are hurdles in the way but in the end justice and truth will prevail.
Muslims following Talibanized Islam show they're more than willing to fight and die for their beliefs.

Can the same be said for Muslims who follow "the other Islam"?

That's the crux, where the future of Islam is at stake.
All big cities have proplems,Money should be spent
on education, not arms,It is the failure of the
governmnet,not to provide basic necessities.We should
thank America for keeping dictators in Pakistan, and
shame on the politicians and the people who elect
these people.
Sukaina,
There is a big difference between RANDOM violence and TEACHED violance. Nobody teaches kids here to kill. I came to US from dictatorial country over 22 years ago and it took me a while to understand values of this country. US is not perfect and I never supported Iraqi war, but let's be honest, Iraqis are better off than they war under Hussein. Americans don't need Iraq nor Pakistan. It's always easier to blame someone else that yourself. It's just a human nature.
  No correspondent, no matter how intelligent or responsible can understand what is motivating or happening in another country without having lived there.  By living I don't mean visiting or touring to report news.  I lived five yrs in Asia, Okinawa, Japan, Taiwan and Viet Nam, as a military brat and then as a soldier. I learned that i needed to respect other cultures and people. Democracy does not mean the same thing to Pakistan as it does to us.  Tribal traditions are just as important to indigenous people as our Constitution is to us.  We are arrogant and should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan now.
I don't know why anyone is surprised that the Taliban has spread throughout Pakistan as it has. Much the same as in many other third world Islamic countries where the madrassas are the primary means of education, what is taught depends entirely on which way the Imam leans. Increasingly this means the young are taught to fear the west at best, and in the worse case, asire to martyrdom. The radical Islamist have largely run unchecked, the government turning a blind eye until the "elephant in the living room" steps on some toes. The Western world and all civilized peoples need to make it clear to the new Pakistani gov't that if it does not deal with Al Qaeda/Taliban, then the western world will have no choice BUT to deal with them, regardless of sovereignty issues.
Pakistan, like Obama said, either helps us or we take our own action. We have spent billions of dollars and we got nothing in return. Yes, it's a country in despair and has tons of problems, & radical islam is rampant & all that, but how long can we, the US, keep supporting these places, hoping they will someday improve,etc,etc??? how long?
At some point, the people have to make up their mind and figure out what they want?
We have one purpose in Pakistan - defeat terrorism and those forces that mean harm to the USA. It's simple and straight. If the Pakistanis want to improve their overall living and be accepted into normal society, yes, by all means, but stop depending on other countries for help. Enough!
Come on wake up!  Iraq is on the front line of terrorism..., if we we're there that country it would be another Taliban link and supporter right in the heart of it all.

Stop your finger pointing as it doesn't do any good. Our government is showing how well that the policy of finger pointing does. Democrat or Republican, it's just not working.

Watch out, we are all about to loose America as the “land of the free” forever!

Period!!!

We had all better make stand on freedom, stand against terrorism and stand for truth and integrity and no socialism in America!  The Constitution guaranteed freedom, free enterprise and no “government provides all”.  If you don’t like….leave!  Seems to me that most people like to move to America!  Wonder why.

Obama’s Policy of operations has already failed!  The collapse of the financial system brought to you by the Democrats and many head sponsors and former heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have proven that they are completely un-qualified to lead this country from a financial stand point.

We already know that Obama doesn’t stand a chance in leading us in the war on terrorism.  He wanted to surrender to defeat in Iraq and Mostly for political gain.  Making our children (men and women in the military) political pawns for this country.

They found lots of terrorist in Iraq, if we we’re challenging the terrorist there they would have focused their efforts somewhere else. Now that they know we have a handle on Iraq the terrorist are getting ready for the next round and there leaving the mountains.  We’re already there before Obama!

He’s just a person that’s taken everything he can get for free from the people of the great country and He Wants More!  It can’t make any decisions, he can’t! He’s a puppet to all those that have been giving him big big money.  $$$$ and his note is coming due and if
He gets in office it’s going to be pay back time.

Do your research an open your eyes as Obama and the Media don’t want you to.  They’ve already tried taking all they can from those who have more and guess what?  There’s not
enough money to go around.

We’re all broke to the tune of $700+ billion dollars while Obama and others in his campaign have millions to show for it.  He wants to align himself with his foreign buddies.

There was a book about taking over this country without a shot never being fired!, it was written over 30 years ago and the day is close.

Failed policies in Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae and 8 Million dollar homes for Democrats and now a chance to deliver the final blow by having a chance to run the white house.

They’ve set the stag for the final blow…..

Definitely “Enough is Enough”

Obama didn’t coin the phrase…, he is the phrase!

More needs to be done on the whole war on terror and the poor people of Pakistan I feel for them.  When the wheels come off …Pakistan and their home will be destroyed.

If America continues to weaken it self with socialism and high taxes and to large of government…., well we could be in for the same thing done the road just a little different
twist.

The American people need to take control back from our government.

“Of the People for the People” Most politicians seem to be making their own rules now and not watching out for our best interests here at home and aboard.

Those on the take need to be made to pay it back and panned from politics and tested in court as to how they defrauded America.

Pretty overwrought article. Pakistanis will tell you whatever they think you want to hear. There's no evidence at all that he saw Taliban. I guess people gathering around is menacing to certain people. Actually Pakistanis gather around foreigners wherever you are (since there aren't many) and shake your hand saying how much they "love America". But it's not as good of a story though I suppose.
I spent 13 months in Pakistan working as an Engineer from 1998-2000.  I spent 3 months in Karachi living in the Sheraton Hotel.  Even then I met some of the anti-American faction, but most of the people had no problem with me.  It's sad but I am totally not surprised by this article.  I feel sorry for many of the Karachi citizens.  In my opinion based on what I saw, they never had a chance.
The surge is working!.....for the Taliban.


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