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Honor killings persist in 'man's world'

Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:37 AM
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By NBC News’ Shahid Qazi and Carol Grisanti

BABAKOT, Pakistan – In a tangle of bushes and trees outside a remote village in southwest Pakistan, six close male relatives of three teenage girls dug a 4-foot wide by 6-foot deep ditch, on a sweltering night in mid-July, and allegedly buried the girls alive.

The girls' crime: they dared to defy the will of their fathers and the customs of their tribe and choose their own husbands. The mother of one of the girls and the aunt of another were shot and killed while begging for the girls’ lives, according to local media reports.

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A busy street in the village of Babakot, Pakistan.

The incident has touched off widespread condemnation from human rights groups, but also a sturdy defense from local officials. "This action was carried out according to tribal traditions," said Israrullah Zehri, a senator representing Balochistan in the upper house of Pakistan’s parliament in the capital Islamabad. "These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," he said. 

We visited the scene and interviewed locals to try and learn more about this gruesome crime.

Daring to defy tradition
Saarang Mastoi is the local journalist who broke the story. He told us that on July 14, Fatima, Fauzia and Jannat Bibi, aged 16 to 18, got into a taxi in Babakot, a small village of farmers and sheepherders in Pakistan’s Balochistan province, and drove about one hour to the village of Usta Mohammed to meet their boyfriends. The girls were chatting in the back of the taxi about their plans to meet the boys at the local restaurant and then go to a civil court to marry them.

The taxi driver dropped the girls off and then drove straight back to Babakot to inform their families about the secret plans he had overheard in the back of his taxi, according to Mastoi.

The girls’ decision to elope came after their male relatives and tribal elders had refused them permission to marry the boys of their choice because they were from another tribe.

The families of the girls belong to the wealthy feudal Umrani tribe in Balochistan. The uncle of one of the girls is a minister in the Balochistan provincial government and a deputy leader of the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), according to an investigation into the incident by Human Rights Watch. 

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Ali Baksh, a shepherd in Babakot, who defended the punishment given to the girls.

Traditional justice
Almost immediately after the taxi driver’s return, a posse of male relatives, including fathers, uncles and brothers, set out from Babakot for the village of Usta Mohammed to bring the girls home. The men arrived in land cruiser jeeps bearing Balochistan government license plates – one belonging to the district mayor, according to Human Rights Watch. 

The girls were kicked, punched and then pushed into the vehicles at gunpoint, Mastoi, the journalist, said. Once back at home in Babakot, the girls were beaten again and interrogated by their fathers and uncles for almost one hour before their "verdict" was announced.

They would be killed – buried alive.

The girls were dragged into vehicles and taken to the end of a back road in Babakot accompanied by two female relatives, according to media reports. The men dug ditches and ordered the girls to be thrown in. When the female relatives saw the ditches, they tried to intervene and begged for the girls’ lives, according to local media reports. 

There was "pandemonium at the site," according to the findings of the Asian Human Rights Commission, and a tribal elder gave orders to shoot the two older women. They died immediately and were thrown into the wide ditch. The three girls, who were wounded in the gunfire but still alive, were then thrown in and covered with sand and mud.

In Pakistan’s rural areas, male tribal councils decide the fate of women who bring dishonor to their family. In 2004, President Pervez Musharraf outlawed the practice, known as "honor killings" – violations of the law carry the death penalty. But the law is impossible to enforce because this centuries old custom for dealing with women is protected by powerful feudal landlords and tribal elders.

Mastoi, the local reporter, told NBC News that "powerful people" from the Umrani tribe had threatened him and warned him of consequences if he continued to report the story. He said that everyone in the village knew what happened and shortly after the murders, a couple of shepherds in the area had taken him to see the actual burial site. "Now everyone is too afraid to talk," he said.

‘It’s a man’s world’
Only about 7,000 people live in Babakot, a run down and dusty place about 200 miles south of the provincial capital, Quetta. Donkey carts carrying women, children and poor farmers give way on the road to the shiny 4X4 Land Cruisers of the wealthy landowners and tribal chiefs.

Ali Baksh, a frail shepherd with a thin scruffy white beard, has been tending his sheep in the neighboring district of Naseerabad since he was seven years old.  When asked what he thought about the murders in Babakot, he stared blankly for a few seconds and then he said, "I am proud of our Balouch traditions and it was the right punishment for those girls who defied the will of their fathers."

Public outcry by human rights groups and lawmakers has forced the federal government in Islamabad to open an investigation into what happened in Babakot six weeks ago. 

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An elderly woman in Babakot who said, “It’s a man’s world and these things will never stop."

But the Asian Human Rights Commission believes a full accounting of the events may be impossible: "The Balochistan police have removed three of the five bodies and started destroying any evidence that might prove useful to an eventual investigation."

Back in Babakot, the reaction of an elderly woman to questions about the story seemed to confirm the human rights groups' fears. When asked about the story, she refused to give her name, sighed and waved off any hope for justice in this case. "It’s a man’s world and these things will never stop," she said.

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The laws should be enforced.  The feudal landlords and tribal elders should themselves be put to death for this crime.  After a few examples are made, the practice will become less popular, I assure you.
There are honor killings going on all over the world. It is a barbaric practice and the US should place restrictions upon any country that practices them.
But the fact that it happens here in the US is what happens when we allow anyone to come to our country, bring their culture, language, and we are required to conform to them instead of them respecting our culture and laws.
The proof is in how many cities across the US do you have to speak a language besides English to buy a cup of coffee? How many cities are there across the US where you see other countries flags flying, but NO US FLAGS?  
I'm not saying that they should abandon their culture and belief system, but they should be held to US LAW. The language is English, the flag is the US Flag, and religious freedom is second to laws against murder, rape, pedophilia, and crimes against animals.
We had a 14 year old illegal murder her own 3 hr old baby. The ACLU fought to protect her because she didn't understand the laws in the US. THIS is what the US is fighting to protect and allowing to invade our country.
Islam this is not, this is ignorance and culture/tradition ruling how they live.  The Qu'ran is very clear on the role and equality of women in the world, and her choice to marry whom she pleases, and in no place in the Qu'ran is "honor killing" endorsed.  Of course people, especially the US media, twist what's religion and what's culture or tradition.  Like Osama Bin Laden, and the rest of these clowns "honor killing" in the name Islam, may Allah have a special place in the incinerator.
Even though this is pretty sick, it does not represent all of the men in Pakistan. I bet there are many decent people who live there who are just as horrified at this news as we are. But unfortunately there are morons in every religion/country/race who who drag everyone else down.
This is no worse then kids killing their own parents in America.
Mickey of Chicago. Kudos, you've said it all. I, too, wonder how we can be so tecnologiaclly advanced a continue to treat our fellow humans in the gross, indecent manner in which we do.
The girls knew the rules of their society. That being said....The story sickend me.  However dont blame this tradition on Islam. Our society calls our honor killings domestic violence. Violence against women and children know no religious nor national boundries. The idea that the strong has the right to brutalize the weak has to end!
Women are dealt with injustice everyday in every country, even this one!  Ever hear of OJ Simpson?  We will never solve the problems of this world because men (and women) can't do it!  Centuries have proven it.
For W. Harstad:
Give me one good example of an "honor killing" in the US by supposed "Christians" that wasn't treated as a heinous crime and condemned by everyone.  Do not try to justify this barbaric act by claiming everyone does it.  No Christian worthy of the title would ever participate in such depravity.  Your cultural norming is nauseating.
murder, murder ,murder in the 21 century.it must be stopped.
These people are tribal savages and that is the way we should treat them. Obviously, Pakistan is still a backward, third-world country.  And to think that Pakistan has nuclear weapons!  I suppose we should be happy that they are still on our side.
God has nothing to do with it.  Bottom line is women are viewed as property.  Marriage traditionally has never been about love and affection; it's about the transference of wealth.  These wealthy land owners/tribal leaders were simply protecting their money.  Bear in mind that in many cultures around the world, daughters and wives can not inherited estates, but sons, brothers, uncles and son-in-laws can.  If these young women were to have married the undesirable under classed men form a different tribe, those young men would have been able to lay claim to the father's land and fortune.  Religion and tradition is just a convenient cover and justification for wanting to control money and power.
This doesn't suprise me.  This goes on all around the world.  What about these fathers who stand out in the streets of Taiwan and sell their daughters for sex to child molesters?  This is a cruel world we live in if you are a woman, child, or animal. It's amazing we can spend billions of dollars on a war but we can't help these people.  I pray every night for peace and I hope each of you reading this does the same.
All I have to say is that the men or women that do such horrific crimes will pay one day when they answer to the Lord.

God Bless America!
While I, as a woman raised in America, find these acts abhorent, to reduce the perpetrators to the level of animals or suggest they are completely incapable of human sentiment only perpetuates the cycle of violence in which the human race as a whole is mired.  Where is the logic in sending in troops and tanks to avenge these women?  So that the whole world can be blind?  These men were upholding their concept of right.  There should be justice, yes, but at what cost?
I have just read this article - what a tragedy for these young women - these people live by control and to produce fear into others who do not abide by their wishes - Unfortunately until all levels of govenment,  and religious leaders in Pakitstan start to educate all of the people that this is not acceptable it will continue - Something must be done now.  Shame on them.  
This is terrible, but I don't think people understnad that such "honor killings" occur in tribal areas, not the metropolitan areas of the country. We also have to consider under which state of development the country is in as well.
I am in no way supporting or condoning this brutality, but the US being such a well develop and forward country exhibits such atrocities as well.
Let's not come down too hard on mr daniel from chicago...after all he's obviously only 10 years old because only an infant juvenile would make jokes about a subject as horrific as this.
W. Harstad et. al. could you please provide an example of these American Christian honor killings you speak of? Because I'm drawing a blank here...
Do you mean guy kills girl for cheating on him? Because that is in no way an honor killing, that is a jealous crime of passion and not condoned by anyone.
In response to W. Harstad's comment "Its funny how we seem to always put this stuff in the news as something new to read about. We have "honor" killings in the U.S. on a daily basis done by boyfriends and husbands that are Americans and usually of the Christian faith"

In the US, you are talking about a few nut jobs that are rightly charged with criminal acts, not a society with a deeply engrained belief system that is generally accepted by that society. This is a societal tradition that needs to be condemned by the entire world.
It's we ( US)helped this countries with monetary  support under the name of "War on Terror" now we will help them again in the name of " War on Honor Killing"
As a Muslim this is something which is against their religion to kill innocent children and people. Those men need to be shot dead in their head for doing that to these girls. Some of these tribal Pakistani people are very illiterate and ignorant. I hope God takes care of those evil doers especially in the month of Ramadan.
I can so see why everybody is like whoa this is way wrong because it is adn i totally agree
but when something like this has been done for hundreds of years
its not wrong to them...
chill
As disturbing as these honor killings are, we need to take a second and realize that it is THEIR CULTURE and BELIEF SYSTEM!!  We may not agree with it, but it is what it is.  Our government would prosecute these men, but Pakistan is NOT our government.  People say that it is a human rights violation, but that is OUR CULTURE and BELIEF SYSTEM.  I don't agree with it, but we need to let them live the way they want to live.  By trying to push our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world, we have upset A LOT of people and cultures.  The best thing to do is let THEM handle it, and take care of the issues we face in America today.
What someone needs to do is step up to bat and figure a way to get these women out of there.  We can give our opinions and type in the box what we feel and what we thing and thats well and good but what we need to do is get them out of there.  Can I expect the United States Government to help me with this, no, and I work for the DOD.  We need to start a fund, we need to make plans, we need to help.  WE NEED TO HELP.  All we have is each other guys, we can do this and help them or we can talk about this.  Its your call.
While I was in high school in suburban Dallas, the father of 2 class mates carried out one of these "honor killings" instead of allowing a divorce.  He burned his wife alive in her bed. That is why it is important for something to be done to stop this.  These men can not expect to get away with murder anywhere they go. Their tribal laws do not apply in modern society.
I will agree with you all I feel this outright murder is horrible, but thats my opinion based on our social way of life. We have no place to say this MUST STOP! and get all up in arms about it. This is these peoples way of life, their customs, their tradition and just becuase your social opinion differs gives you no warrant to tell them differently. AMERICA! Stop trying to impose you opinions on the rest of the world, seems we're in enough trouble as it is because of that mentality.
I went through most of the comments and just wanted to clear up one thing that religion 'Islam' has nothing to do with honor killings. Its more of a tribal and cultural issue which has nothing to do with Islam. I was born,raised and educated in Pakistan and made all kinds of decisions from getting an education to whome I will marry by myself.Those areas of Pakistan still have their tribal rules and they go by that no matter what and women are supressed in those areas due to lack of education. What government of Pakistan should do is to build schools in those areas to educated both men and women to eliminate their strick tribal rules.
For Dallas in Texas,

Are you making a bad joke?  This is nothing like kids killing their parents.  Kids killing parents is not a cultural practice considered acceptable by anyone--it is murder, pure and simple.  This practice of "honor-killing" is considered just fine and dandy by way too many people in this world who quite mistakenly believe they are civilized.
We need to stop sending money to these countries until this treatment stops.  When they have members of their government who defend these actions, these killings will continue.  So our government needs to take a stand and say "No more."  Dollar signs work the best.
Fran from Trenton, NJ... You don't have anything to back what you said. Please do not make assumptions. As far as the killings go, they are not "religious" or "Islamic" traditions; they are more "cultural" and "tribal". The Pakistani Government, especially that of the Balochistan province is full of people who support such barbaric acts. But don't forget this; the people who voted them into office are the same people who commit these crimes. The Federal Government does pass laws, but they are hard to implement in remote areas such as these, where government officials themselves have supported such acts. Most Pakistanis do condemn these acts; its the tribes in the western parts of the country that are all-powerful, and too moronic to accept this as a crime. I hate to say this, but the Afghani influence along those parts does not help either.
The fact that something is a centuries old tradition can not be defended, especially by anyone in the government.
The UN is worthless or else things like this would not happen in what are actually relatively civilized nations like Pakistan.  
This shows that violence against women and girls is deeply rooted in traditions and customs, which, unfortunately are difficult to change. the world needs to wake up and condemn inhuman acts like these.
I agree that we are blessed to live in the Us. I recently travelled to Egypt as a single female. I can't believe how little respect I had there and basically at the end of the trip felt no more worth than a traded camel. I can't imagine how it must be to be in Pakistan. God bless those poor girls.
Is the US any better when it has allowed the MURDER of innocent babies through so-called legal abortion? Should the US condemn others when it to needs to repent also? We all need to repent and accept the gift that GOD offered in JESUS!
I just hate it when people misrepresent "Culture" as an excuse for murder. It is more like a "Cult" to me. Even tigers don't kill their cubs. These people are worse than animals.
It is hard for me to understand such abhorrent behavior.  Killing is bad enough,, but killing family??!!  Perhaps this is a good time to call to mind our own apathy of americans killing family members in the horror that is abortion.
do you all forget that not so very long ago in our own country a man had the legal right to beat his wife and children if they disobeyed him? you talk about barbarity, and it is, but it does still go on in the usa. you may also want to remember that this is the type of atrocity that our troups are fighting to end in the middle east, so vote wisely.
This act is outrageous. I cannot believe a human being and a family member will do this to one another. The Moslem religion and its people are still rooted in the 5th Century ideology. Saudi Arabia treats women like garbage in the name of Islam. This distortion of religion is a mockery to American ideas. The so called nuclear Pakistan should condemn this stupid "honor killing." The perprators of these murders should be punished ASAP.
It looks barbaric but I'm also wondering about werstern woman's right to abort a child that she thinks would damage her life mentaly or physically. Its the same old fanatic mentality to burry a woman alive, or pay a woman less sallary than man, or stop stem cell research. I suggest in a whole world supported action Pakistani army to go after those relatives catch the rats and bring them to justice in civilized world and gain more support among the world, and its own nation.
well im a pakistani and we elected our prime minister benazir bhutto twice,we r all proud pakistanis and she said that theres no place in the world where woman are more respected than pakistan,i wish i could take the bullet which took her life.honor killings are something which 99% of our countrymen oppose.its a bunch of native polygamy oriented imperialistic tribal section of the society which carried out this deplorable act,im ashamed they are citizens of my country and they should be send to the international court of human rights for justice to prevail.
Don't be a bit surprised if this is your own US government making up such stories to "fool" you into believing that this took place...at the same time we are dangerously close to going to war with Pakistan.  (just like we were told that there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq).  We are constantly fed/told these type of lies to make us hate these other nations enough to wage wars, started under false pretences.  Please understand the evil in your own country first people.
With our own support of killing children in this country, it is hard to be outraged when we see other countries doing this to children that have escaped the womb.  Do we not grant them choice?  It seems so important to us here.  China kills children by secular law.  Pakistan kills them by religious tradition. The US kills them by choice.  Explain to me the difference in any of this?  
we must overthrow regimes like this around the world that defy common sense and the will to advance humanity and our right to co-exist peacefully.  Then, we must fund education and health programs for these poor ignorant human beings.  These women must have tasted the idea of freedom only to be torn down by the greedy ideals of their brethren.  As the more aware , more tolerating, and less ignorant western societies, we have a responsibility to assist in the advancement of these human brothers and sisters of ours.  Otherwise, we should step aside and stay out of their way completely.  Don't show someone their potential and then turn your back on them.  Also, don't judge people without due process.  Ignorance is ever so rampant.
This is what people do with free will.  It is interesting how an example of ignorance and brutality abroad brings out ignorant stereotypes and religious prejudice here at home.  
But I agree with most of us here that this kind of human rights abuse abroad is intolerable and the world community should play a more active role in pressuring governments to deal with these sorts of things. (My first reaction to reading this article was to want to hang the villiage elders, too.)  
Those family members should facc the same fath as those poor girls
It is an unbelievably heartbreaking story that just tearing me apart. I don’t those children, but I feel as if I am some how connected to them. I do not even think a heinous creature would do such a thing. Those people who buried those children are worse than heinous animal. They are even worse than pigs (by the way, pigs are considered as God’s worse creation according to Muslin Holy book Koran.)
They did it because they could.  If the men here could get away with it they'd do it too, but thank god women here have gained some political power.  
If the Us could do more in helping thes country provide Education,And manadate that the money sent is used for Education things may be different.In addition when the Us subtly pressurises these countries and continues to look the otherway when outstanding cases agoinst a percieveed Ally are dismissed without due process ,to bring him to power,these things will continue.Illeteracy is a religion in itself.


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