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Hangover after China's party?

Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:13 AM
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By Ian Williams, NBC News Correspondent

GUANGDONG, China – Once the Olympic party is over, is China heading for an economic hangover?

Ben Schwall, for one, thinks the headache is already setting in for the country's seemingly unstoppable export machine.

"If you are a factory owner here, it’s not like you're being kicked around. Somebody has hit you over the head with a baseball bat," he said.

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I met Schwall on a recent visit to the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, where he buys decorative lights for a string of U.S. retailers. "It's the perfect storm," he told me. "You've got a drop in demand. Business stinks. At the same time prices are going up."

‘Perfect storm’
The "perfect storm" is being caused by the soaring price of oil and other raw materials, spiraling labor costs, and the appreciation in the value of China's currency against the U.S. dollar, as well as a sharp down turn in demand as the U.S. faces possible recession.

Factories are closing right across the region where China's export boom began, with the most pain being felt at the low end – lighting and shoe factories, for instance. One of the few businesses still booming is scrap metal, teams clearing the remains of shuttered production lines.

Dong Tao, the Chief Asia Economist at Credit Swisse, just across the border in Hong Kong, calls it the end on an era of ultra-cheap Chinese exports.

"We expect that in the next three years, one third of Guangdong's manufacturing export factories will be closed down," he told me.

There are tens of thousands of factories here. If China is the workshop of the world, then this is its engine. A third of China's exports come from Guangdong, feeding the world's insatiable appetite for everything from shoes to lights to electronic goods.

"The entire world had the impression that the happy party of very cheap Chinese goods could last forever," Dong said. "I thought that. But I think perhaps its coming to an end."

The oil price affects the cost of production, but also the cost of shipping raw materials to China and then shipping the finished product to the U.S.

Cheap labor drying up
China's limitless supply of young cheap labor seems to be drying up too. The minimum wage in Guangdong has doubled in three years, and now stands at around $120 a month. With overtime, workers are taking home more than $200 a month.

The one-child policy is beginning to slow the supply of nimble-fingered young women, favored by the factories. And the new generation of migrant workers from the countryside are more choosy about work – and more savvy.

At one big street side labor market, young migrants work their mobile phones, comparing wage rates between factories. A new labor law has given them more muscle, especially since – to the consternation of factory owners – the government seems determined to enforce it.

Labor turnover is running as high as 75 percent annually at some factories.

‘No profit!’
Many of the factories in this region are owned by Hong Kong and Taiwan entrepreneurs. Men like Philip Cheng, whose company, Strategic Sports, is one of the biggest manufactures of crash helmets, bemoan the sharp downturn. "We don't have any profit now. No profit!" he told me, as helmets snaked along on the conveyor belt behind him, workers pasting on the visors. "The days of cheap labor have gone. No cheap labor. OK?"

Down the road, Dongguan Shan Hsing Lighting has just moved into a new factory, but is now operating at fifty percent capacity. It’s been hit by the crisis in the U.S. housing market, its biggest customer. The company's president, Tim Hsu, said profits have dried up.

"With constantly rising prices, we have to raise our quotes to survive. American consumers will have to pay higher prices," he said.

Dong at Credit Swisse agreed."Watch out," he said, "the prices in Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Motorola, they're going up."

Other factories are chasing lower labor costs elsewhere. Dong told me forty percent of factories he surveyed recently are looking to move – either to inland China, where costs are less, or out of the country.

Cheng of Strategic Sports is looking at Vietnam, where labor costs are now around half of those of China; Schwall, the lighting buyer, is planning a visit to India.

For Schwall, there's another headache. His company, Aliya Intenational, also monitors quality, making sure manufacturers aren’t cutting corners in the production process or using sub-standard or dangerous materials, a task made all the more important following last year's spate of product recalls.

He said that even before the latest surge in costs, factories were operating on wafer-thin profit margins, and now some may be more tempted to take short cuts as a way of cutting costs.

"The devil is everywhere," he told me as he examined the fittings on an elaborate chandelier he'd plucked from a busy production line. "And of course there is temptation."

He said he feels much happier when the factories he's dealing with are at least making some money, since the temptation to cut corners then is not as great.

What does it mean for China Inc?
All of which begs the question of what this means for China Inc. The pain seems most acute in the export manufacturing heartlands of the south, and doesn't appear to have yet dented China's overall growth rate, which remains above 10 percent – though many economists are skeptical about the accuracy of the official figures.

The Chinese media has carried stories pointing to a slowdown, but they have tended to follow the official line of keeping bad news off the presses during the Olympic Games. Officials in Guangdong have also played it down, describing the closures as just a normal transition away from low-end production, of the kind that took place in Taiwan, Korea or Japan. Which may well be good in the long term.

The problem is the meltdown is happening so quickly. The head of the Hong Kong Small and Medium Enterprise Association, whose members are big investors, warned in late June that 20,000 of the 70,000 Hong Kong-owned factories in Guangdong could close this year. He said the region is no longer competitive.

Economic ups and downs are not new to the rest of the world, but China has known little but boom for nearly thirty years. Breakneck double digit growth has become the norm. No other major economy has grown like China over that period.

Moreover, China's communist leaders, presiding over one of the world's most rapacious capitalist economies, have traded on their ability to deliver economic growth to dampen demands for political change.

The massive Olympic rebuilding – with its $40 billion price tag – also provided an economic stimulus, which will soon be over. The Games have given a big "feel good" lift to Chinese, about what they've achieved and where they are going.

This, and the seemingly unstoppable boom, have set expectations very high about the future, which could make a post-Olympic economic slowdown all the more difficult to manage.

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The nation of china has secured financial growth for the next sixty years.  Listing a million reasons why china MIGHT suffer from a temporary factory shutdown in the Beijing area is speculation.  The fact is, China has secured a business relationship with the US which is detremental to our economy, and we are scared which is why we invent these stories.  
Freedom of speech? America is great and China is crap? Top 10 Racists in the world and Americans rank at #1.  Several other long comments i have left have not been posted, freedom .. ya right. NBC will prob post this and say hey see we let one through!

To keep it simple, I see alot of hate towerds China in almost every comment.  

Buncha sheep and cows complaining to the coulds about the poop they are stepping on, not knowing it came from their own @$$.
Back in the 70's it was the Japanese who made "crappy" merchandise.  Now, it's China.  The racist idiots of the U.S. should understand that the only things that are "unsustainable" are (1)your typical fat American's diet and (2) getting paid $50/hr for sitting around on your fat behind.    
Human nature never seems to change and never seems to learn. When financial bubbles occur, people seem to think they are infinite, only to be continually proven wrong. I suppose this repetitive behavior is wishful thinking with a massive dollop of denial. The burst of the housing bubble could be seen a mile away, if anyone bothered to pay attention. I suppose this cycle will continue, like electing lousy presidents.



china is the worlds junk king of asia,its not cheap labor there after its slave labor there looking for.they would love to take over taiwan to expolte ther people into there tonka- toy factories for 50.00 dollar a month.china has goods in every country and i think the u.s is the largest buyer of chinese goods this guy that wrote this article must not have gone to wall mart or the dollar store lately.you can not even pick up a item off a shelve with-out it coming with a tag made in china.go figure
It is scaring to hear about all the bad news about the overall economy of most countries in the world. However, I think there is hope down the road. Someone has written a very intersting book called " How to end poverty in the world in just 15 years".In this book, the author describe a brand new economic model which can put an end to poverty in the world in a few years. This new economic model is suitable for any Developing Country or 3rd world country and It is based on the developing of the internal market in each country. The author describe how a large number of jobs based on the internal market can be created quickly; and thus creating a large number of consumers which can quickly be lifted out of poverty because they would have good income. This new economic model would revolve around home building and furnishing and I think that if a country like china would adopt this new economic model, it would put an end to poverty quickly and it would move in no time to the place of No.1 Super Power of the world. I have been to china and I know that despite all the prowess of the chinese economy, to these days, there is still millions of chinese living in extreme poverty. This new economic model which is based on the internal market instead, would result in the creation of Millions of new jobs in older to satisfy the material need of the millions of people who would have a job with good salary.

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Stop the whining! China is this and China is that is a bunch of garbage. We wanted cheaper goods and the Chinese provided it at the expense of the American manufacturer. We drove our manufacturing jobs overseas with this philosophy and the last I checked Wal-Mart's sales continue to climb. We have no one to blame except ourselves.

Reading these posts is disturbing. Many of the posts wish pain on another country because just like the good old US of A, the citizens will feel the brunt. I think it's a good thing that other countries wages increase,just maybe we can become more competitive on the world stage. With a little innovation, we can be the manufacturing powerhouse of the world again.

In America we drown ourselves in debt because we don't want to save for something and wonder why we don't have any money. We are the only major global force that has a negative savings rate and when things get tough we look for a handout. We lease a BMW, obtain a house with an interest only loan, and should the value of the home increase, pull equity out so we can try to cure our insatiable lust for the newest gadgets.

We have settled for mediocrity in the US. It now starts in grade school where every kid makes the team.   Everyone is special yet we settle to just get by. We have become a bunch of lemmings that do just enough to not get fired. I find it hilarious that a few posters talk about how great the American worker performs.We are lazy, just look at our waistlines. Being a business owner of a small service oriented business, I see first hand how first generation immigrants outperform their American counterparts and their only expectation is to get paid. They don't expect to be treated "Special",they just execute their job. Business is Darwinist in nature and always will be. If you want to change the situation, do more than what is expected and take pride in what you do.
Oh well it time to feel our pain, so no matter what is said or done to Amercia, all eyes of the world are still on what we want, if our econony go bad it efect the world because of who we our, the inpact and infulence is real and now you see it for yourself in what we want and when we wanted, so see how it feel and envey the greatest Country of all the U S A.
Awwwww,....
My heart bleeds for you!
No profit for factories making low-end toys, shoes, etc. but there is plenty being made with products that require more technical skills that involve teams of engineers such as auto and industrial parts.  

China does not want to make cheap stuff forever, thats why there's not much being done to help these factories that work for Walmart.

China harbors the Taliban, and they send us toys with lead, send us dog food with poison in it and we continue to use them instead of keeping our jobs HERE. I am disgusted with China and their Communistic  Government.
Does everyone NOT remember Mao killing 35 MILLION people??? What about the treatment of the Dali Lama? Did you know that Tibetan Monks are still being brutalized today??? WHY is the Olympics there??? They deserve nothing. They deserve Wal Mart to not be there, unles Wal Mart is FILLED with AMERICAN imports...
Good! It is time for American to work as cheap labours and work 80 hours a week.
When the world finally realizes the precarious state of social order artificially maitained by the Chinese Govt's fanatical control and factors this risk into their investment decisions I would predict an accelerated shift to possibly the soon to be most populous nation...India because of it's lower cost labor pools, established technology and it's more palatable socio-political environment.  
I love all the non-sense posts about how great that the USA is,  and being an American that lives out of country now, I can tell you that the USA has its fair share of good points and bad points.  The same as any other country.

Posting that China products are junk is amusing.  Yes there is a fair share of products that are flawed.  But by this logic, you would need to throw away every piece of electronics you own, get rid of your foreign car and including many american made cars also, and much of your clothing.  Only because a product says made in America or (insert foreign country here), does not mean it does not contain  parts from other countries, Mainly China.

Speaking mainly about electronics,  for those ranting and raving about cheap quality, how many of you own a APPLE IPOD for example, because you may want to start tossing that out the window right because its parts come from, you guessed it, China.

More importantly, toss your computer also if your such patriotic "America is the greatest country", because your not as patriotic as you make yourself using products that are manufactured from other countries.

These are people we are talking about,  The share similar values with people from around the world.  Being sterotypical about a country as a whole is nonsense.  
We were married 50 years ago. Most of the things we bought then - we still use - but the items purchased in the last 25 years have had to be replaced 2 and 3 times. Cheaper is not always cheaper in the long run.  

I notice too when companies move their production overseas to get cheaper labor the executives don't cut their excessive salaries (in comparison to the income of executives in other parts of the world).
I had always assumed that the Chinese people would demand better working conditions (and less polution) as soon they were prosperous enough to make decisions from choice rather than to need. The Chinese people aren't stupid, they were just reeling from years of government reorganization. Of course this means that the prices of their products will increase.

Not all of their products are bad, either. Only innovation has been lacking. Hopefully, with prosperity, we'll see some good creativity there again.

Americans aren't known for their quality products, either. Remember when no one wanted to buy an American car because it would break down as soon as it left the new car lot? It took the Japanese and Koreans to remind us that we should be making quality products. We need to wake up. It will be good for us as Americans to reduce some of our consumer frenzy. We should think before we buy. Save money before we buy. We need to remind ourselves that we should only take pride in work that's well done (not just becaues it's Made in America), and that work isn't just about getting a paycheck.
i'm all for prices going up on goods if it's good for America. if all they're going to do is move production to another country with cheap labor, then it really means nothing to Americans. i think we need to boost the economy here by taxing all foreign goods and eliminating tax credits to companies that outsource work. if more Americans had good jobs we'd be stronger economically, even if the prices for goods was a little higher.
No more cheap labor...? Gosh... I hope not - not in the conditions those Chinese workers have been forced into!  This would be a good thing for China in the long run... It's called the right to a fair wage (or at least a fairer wage, since I doubt they'll ever truly give their workers a living wage).  And it's their own fault for not having the number of replacement workers, since it's their own one-child policy that's hurting them.  
Read the article, they are still only making $200 a month, so don't expect new factories opening in America anytime soon.  Factories will still be chinese, maybe a move to india or africa will be the next phase, possibly north korea.  Bad part is now that we have funded the chinese military and they have all the supplies they need....what to do with 1 billion un-employed young men???   hmmmm.....maybe use them as cannon fire and start invading countries.
I dont understand why mexico dos'nt play a larger role, the same way China did years earlier.Mexico has a large labor force willing to come to the US to make more money. Why not make Mexico the next China? Even the shipping costs would be much lower, not to speak of the millions of Mexicans who would stay at home, instead of taxing our own economy, with higher social services costs. Am I the only one who sees this potential gold mine?
Some of people here is not nice at all!  Using the products made in china, save American 600 billion dolors, and jealous china's success.
All these comments only make me laugh, why do americans always look for excuses for your own failures?  Cause and effect, it is just plain simple, you screwed it up and now you want to blame it on someone else?
Here's the big picture.  50 years ago the world population was 2.5 billion humans strong.  It's now currently 7.5 billion.  People can live almost twice as long as they did at that time also. The term, "Only the strong survive", bears no meaning anymore because "EVERYONE" now survives.  There is no longer "Natural Selection" among humans.  How long do you think we can really keep this up before we run ourselves out of natural resources to support this way of life?  This is the beginning of just another dynasty beginning to crumble.  Remember the Mayans?  They're entire civilization was wiped out because of the very same issue.  They're not the only ones either....Romans, Huns, Vikings, Egyptians, etc.  The world is in for a REAL rude awakening.  We all need to sacrifice this material garbage, be generous to your neighbor, and start thinking clean and green.  If we don't fix the problems that ages of generations have created, (including us!), then we'll no longer have the choice to.....mother nature will do it for us.  Personnally, I have 2 young children, and I literally fear for them because of the way this world is headed.  It really pains me to see how so many people can be so near-sighted and greedy, and ultimately just not care about our children and grandchildren.  Plain and Simple- "YOU CANNOT SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR POLITICIANS TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.....BECAUSE THEY'RE GREEDY, CORRUPT, SELF-CENTERED IDEALS IS WHAT LANDED US IN THIS SITUATION TO BEGIN WITH".  So do it for yourself, your family, your neighbor, your nation, and your world.....Give up your material garbage, recycle, don't be wasteful, stop driving oversized gas-suckers, live more modestly,...and maybe we can stretch this lifespan of OUR civilization.  This is'nt rocket science....just a hard truth that not too many have accepted............I just hope I'm wrong :(
All that goes up must come down with the same speed it went up.  I think China is a time bomb waiting to happen.  They should be paying more attention to human rights.  About the Olypics, if they can't handle the spotlight then why even walk up to it.  What i mean is that they can't handle a little protest and then putting the ugly in the back at the opening ceremonies.  CHINA JUST CANT HANDLE THE HEAT AND THEIR POT IS BOILING.
Like any major issue, this is complicated.  But I see a lot of signs in my personal world that the invisible hand of economics is moving away from China:

1) I buy business gifts sometimes.  A year or two ago it seemed like all that stuff was Chinese.  Now many firms have advertisements for their American-made products.
2) Wages for the American worker have declined precipitously over recent years, as they should.  Organized labor negotiated really crazy compensation and benefit packages back in the 70's.  If I were an automotive executive, and the UAW was telling me that a guy should be making $90,000 with fully-paid medical insurance for bolting parts onto a car I would close factories in Flint, Michigan too.  If people in American factories become willing to work for reasonable factory wages (and they have no choice these days) it takes a lot of power away from China.
3) I'm starting to see articles out on the web in which American and European companies talk about the huge problems they had with Chinese manufacturing, and how they eventually decided to move their production lines back home.  Poor quality, poor dispute resolution, theft of intellectual property, shipping delays, rapidly inflating shipping costs, etc.
4) The world is clearly interested in developing more automated manufacturing, as it has been for decades.  In the US now there are some highly automated factories in operation.  I read about one of them Xerox has out west.  The more automation takes place, the less of factor human labor cost will be.  Some of the decline in US manufacturing employment isn't due to China.  It is due to the fact that US Steel doesn't need 200,000 employees to run the mills anymore.
5) In America, the Baby Boomers are moving out of positions of authority within our government and corporations.  I'm not saying they are all bad.  But by and large they are a very short-sighted, I am going to do what I want to do to feel good in the short term, generation.  Once they are gone people may start to question the strategic wisdom of all this out-sourcing.  Obviously, this is somewhat subjective.  But I think the unprecedented string of recent government and corporate scandals is pretty strong evidence.  I still can't believe what those Enron guys did.
6) I have read reports that there are 200 disturbances a day in China (protests, riots).  Despite the image projected by the Chinese government, I think there are a lot of unhappy people over there.  If the whole country becomes engulfed in political upheaval and conflict, who is going to want to have a factory there?

Time will tell how it all works out.  But I know this for certain: life has good times and bad times.  Nobody has the best of it from the moment they are born until the moment they pass away.

If you want to argue with me in broken English about how I am a stupid American, go ahead.  But I think this is a pretty balanced opinion.
Memo to China:  Welcome to Econ 101 and the rules of capitalism, supply and demand, etc.! Couple this with your one child policy and your "economic" system is doomed!
The Dalai Lama says, "Vote McCain 2008!"  The Dalai Lama will guarantee all jobs will return to the good ole U.S. of A once Tibet is freed.  Pray to Buddha!!!!
Maybe this will start a transition of more manufacturing jobs staying in the U.S.

Or, just more jobs period, and us relying on our own companies to produce more goods - rather than the Chinese.
It's a shame when we can afford to keep jobs in our own country.  I don't shop at Wal-Mart too much any more, there IS a difference in the products they buy in bulk that the products Target buys, I pay more at Target, but I'm buying a better product.  For those who think it's all in my mind, do the test for yourself.  Buy an outfit at both places, and see which one falls apart, fades, and shrinks first.
Really sick of the blame game. Foreign oil is crap. Imagine if we tapped into our own supply and sold it on the open market. Yeah that's 700 billion worth a year we wouldn't be sending off shore. Think about it. Especially you Obama!!!!!
Being fat, lazy, and demanding an extremely high wage will not bring jobs back to America.  I suggest lowering the minimum wage back down to a few cents per hour.
Who needs the "cheap crap" from China?  Just our selfish, gotta-have-it-now Western society.  Make a list of "life and death" items vs "luxury" items and it is amazing how little house you need to store your stuff.  It is for this reason, mass consumerism, that the storage business thrives in the USA.  
It 1977 all over again...high gas prices, runaway inflation, environmental issues...have we not learned from the dolittle generations of the past 30 years? Are we to simply be the placeholders for some "miracle generation" that will solve these problems in the future? Eventually these problems are going to burn us, and it looks like the fire has already started...
With out one shot ever being fired the U.S will be taken over...> now thats scary!!!
Doooooooooooooooooom. That is the sound of these NBC blogs pretending to sound intelligent and informed. In reality, most of us who have been watching the China market develop for the past few years already saw this coming. It's amazing that so many of you China haters are buying into this doom and gloom scenerio while spewing your borderline racist venom with it as if it's justified.

Here in lies the difference between us "educated" people and the "uninformed". It is already a well known fact that low end manufacturing jobs have been leaving China for years for Southeast Asia destinations such as Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam where the labor wages are lower than China. The PRC government knows this but it's not a huge deal. Why? Because the current Chinese economic infrastructure is undergoing a shift just like any country that is changing from a developing market to a developed market. Instead of focusing on low end manufacturing industry, China is switching to higher tech industries.

For every factory that's closing in a manufactring industrial park, there is a biotech, IT or chemical factory/office opening in a high tech industrial park. Companies like BP, Eli Lilly, Glaxco-Smith-Klein, Samsung, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Philips Semiconductor, as well as many Silicon Valley based software development firms all have presence in China now and it is still growing. This is not to mention Global Financial and Banking powerhouses such as BGI, Citigroup, HSBC Holdings, Morgan Stanley and so on all have been expanding their operations in China in recent years. With the Chinese universities focusing on these sectors resulting in more and more qualified, educated graduates staffing these firms, the trend will likely continue. All of this points to a different type of economy in China for the years to come.
Oh and one more thing, you China haters shouldn't don't get too excited about the American dollars leaving China. United States isn't even in the top foreign investor in China. Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan are all well ahead of America. Also as I've already mentioned before, for every American manufacturing dollar leaving China for other destination, it is made up by an incoming high tech and modern industries investment dollar. A drive around Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Milpitas and Santa Clara here in Silicon Valley confirms this as many of these tech companies have multiple offices in China with plans for more. Sorry but some of you have rather unfounded and laughable grand delusions about just how large the American stake in China really is and where it is going.
I live in AZ and happen to know a few Chinese people who have moved here for work opportunities.  They recognize the benefit of 1) learning the english language, 2) learning American business practices, 3) learning American social practices.  My Chinese friends are shocked at several aspects of America... "Why are these poor (impoverished) people having more babies?  They cannot care for the existing babies, but have more anyway!"  "Why is it impossible to find an adequate doctor we can afford?"  "Why do Americans think that they are right about everything and do not need to consider new ideas / other's views?"  etc...

We go shopping in my little town and the Chinese just laugh....  The products in our stores (made in China) are crap compared to the products sold in China (also made in China).  China can and does produce excellent quality items.  They ship the poor quality crap to America because this is what the market requires.  This is what most Americans buy.  It is our choice.  We want lots of cheap crap rather than a little quality.  I can see.  I look around.  Go to walmart and see for yourself.  We are the problem.
At times I find that I'm ashamed to be a member of a capitalistic, consumer-driven country whose citizenry behave with such selfish, wasteful extravagance. There is always a price to pay for taking a shortcut, the low-road, the cheap way out, whatever.

There is a global reckoning coming, mainly surrounding a reduction in cheap, easily available energy, and it won't be pretty. We must do what we can now, beginning with major efforts at conservation of energy and other valuable resources, or it will be done for us, and we won't have any say in the matter.

In 'Three Days of the Condor', a remark is made like this: What do you think people will do, when there's no food in their cubbards, or no heat in their homes, what so you think they (American citizens), will want us (the American Government) to do then? "Ask them."  No, they won't want us to 'ask them', they'll just want us to GET IT FOR THEM.

That's who we've become...who we've let ourselves become by following the guidance of ignorant, selfish, and power-hungry leaders. There must be a change in the way we behave as a country. It has to start with the citizenry, who demand more of our leaders.

We can't put our heads in the sand any longer. Don't be so gullible in thinking that you can trust your President to do what's best for you (the majority of the citizenry). He, or she, is only guided by their conscience. How's that for reassuring?
It is so easy to China bash. We need to look at our own behavior like spending too much that our national economy depends on China, Japan, Korea, Dubai and others to buy our bonds or pump money into our financial firms. We drive so much we are hostage to oil prices.

China, India, Brazil, Russia and other countries will continue to grow and prosper. We can't pretend we are the richest, most powerful, perfect country any more. If we work on improving our own country such as spending within our means, improving schools, improving health care for all, improving infrastructure such as roads, bridges and power grids, conserving energy, we won't need to bash other countries to feel better about how superior our country is to theirs.  
The Chinese Government, since 1949, Mao's revolution has always had a policy of not entering into any war's or confrontations with the west. T "RED BOOK" Mao's doctrine, the communist manifesto has always implemented destroying their enemy's from within.
RE.Supplying arms to our a enemy's, sending America shotty goods, RE Poison toys, baby cribs, sub standard garbage.The have thousands of spy's within our country dowmloading R&D, the Immigrants who consider America as their tempory place to make money, avoid taxes and send their money home to the "MOTHERLAND OR FATHERLAND"

FACE IT FOLKS,the averag Chinese in America really dislike us and everything we stand for.
They Loved Clinton because he " sold" our technology. to them, our formost enemy. The sell arms to the Taliban, and then sell us tee shirts,tennis shoes and all the time "attempting to put Mao's doctine into place".
Motib vtion for their individual hatred of the American people is Jealousy, or freedom's and way of life.

Soon when their economy falters, and internal revolution is brewing, trust me.
This is all part of a plan for the Chinese and the Russians to partner up with oil, bond for protection, as individually ..sorry no match for America.

Sore Losers.. The beginning of the third world war, sorry but true, the wheel's are in motion.
Listen America, You better think twice at this coming election Can a orator with a history of questionable activities in Chicago, with a hate monger Minister, and a track record of nonsense and working all ends of the street, stand tall and tough like Truman.
We need, wheather he is our pewrsonal choice, choos a tough dog like McCain. a warrior, a guy who has lived communism. No time for politics, Air America, Keith Oberman and all the weak lefties.
this is the crossroads of America as we have NEVER experienced. The commies only understand Strong, hard core responses. AMERICA STAND TALL, ROLL THE DICE, JUST PUT A MORATORUM ON MOST IMMIGRATION, CLEAN OUT THESE PEOPLE,THE ALTERNATIVE WE WILL NEVER EXCEPT, THUS: THE END OF THE usa AS WE KNOW IT.
Listen Up People ,  QUIT throwing Sour Grapes . You would if you Could throw a party "Just Like China" . I say Hats off ! I BET the people on that Madrid Plane that hit the deck Today are Glad They enjoyed some of the Olympics, actually I bet they wished they'd have pulled a "Rip Snorter" last night . Live Life Well !
Complain all you want about China, but this whole situation is the fault of every American consumer who chose to purchase imported products over the past several decades just to save a couple of pennies.  You can't fault them for providing the cheap products that we demand.  If you really want to make a difference, stop buying the junk and demand that stores carry American made products.  That's the only way to stop this cycle.  Otherwise, the manufacturers of the world will just move on from China to some other low cost country in Asia or Africa.
We were told around 40 years ago that only 20% of the world population and a few countries would have jobs producing almost all the goods for the whole of the world, that's about right. And one of these countries is China, they make many things that the west needs and use.

The other parts of the world would do nothing but enjoy a good life and live a long happy existence.

Well, where did it go wrong?

Who messed it up for me?

It should be Credit Suisse, not "Credit Swisse"....
Goods manufacture will continue its frictionless slide to the countries and regions that can do it the cheapest.  It's globalization 101, and there isn't much China or America can do about it.  Much like us, China is becoming a victim of their own success.  I believe that after SE Asia has been exhausted, Africa may be the next area to see this boom in production.  I also believe that oil prices are primarily driving inflation, and that as the prices continue to fall we will see a return to the norm.
What I don't understand is why we the American people are only looking at China's use of cheap labor. I don't know about you but the last time I drove by a construction site or agricultural feild, I didn't see hardworking Americans getting a good pay, what I saw were a bunch of Mexicans with their little Mexican flags a wavin' making about $3.50 an hour where as an American would expect at least $6.50. Have you ever asked someone who owns a construction company or a works in agriculture their view on illegal immigration or cheap laborers stealing the jobs of American citizens who only ask for minimum wage. Please America wake up we need to realize our own faults and fix them before we feed another country's sucess. We need to focus on what the future of America is going to be before we look at what other countries have become.
NUTS! None of these people know anything. All the comments were based on wild speculations.
This article unfortunately underestimates the IQ of Chinese leaders. The eventual goal for China is of course to surpass US in technologies, inventions, patents etc. but before that can happen, China needs to get sufficiently rich first and it is doing that by exporting labor intensive products. One only needs to look at the declining education in the US to tell that sooner or later the technological center is also going to shift away from US. Face it, most scientists and engineers in the US are foreign born and they could disppear as quickly just as they came to US.
Well Gordon Hsu, yes you are right high tech companies are being pulled to China with Trojan Horse promises, and those that have relaised that are leaving ater only a year or less, why? espionage and theft of IPR.

China has taken all it wants from the existing foolish foreign investors, and now fools scientists desperate to do their own R & D so soon China will have stolen all the high tech it needs.

Dell was loading counterfiet Microsoft programmes in all its computers made in China, thats a fact, check with Microsoft, or I can supply the details.

I was Appropached by the Semiconductor and Tire industries from China, asking me to arrange high tech visits to Japan so Chinese Engineers could steal technology, and to get rubber compounding information from Dunlop and other western Tyre companies.

So your arrogance Mr. Hsu is typical of foreign educated Chinese, why not come home and check out your freedom here in China.

Yes Many Universities in CHina, kicking out clone gradutes.

Mechanical engineers, that have no material science or material properties knowldge, and unable to read drawings or understand why there are standards.

CPA's that dont know what Balance sheets are.

History Graduates and professors, that dont know who Churchill, Stalin, or any other country or conflict leaders from the past 2 - 300 years.

Every student must be able to read, write and speak English, otherwise they cant graduate, sounds good but most students can only do one of these functions, at a mediocre level, one wonders how mucg they paid the tutors and examiners in bribes.

The truth is out, Im not American, and most of the Hong Kong and Taiwanese Companies that you insist are coming and are the highest investors, have already left for a healthier environment.

Believe the communist doctrine, hooray for you arrogant ignorant bashing of a country in which you are presently allowed to live in, enjoy it while you still can.
In the 1950's "Japan" was a five letter word for junk. Now we have a new five letter word for junk and its spelled "China."  By the way I try to by American but, I can't much made in America any more.


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