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Hangover after China's party?

Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:13 AM
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By Ian Williams, NBC News Correspondent

GUANGDONG, China – Once the Olympic party is over, is China heading for an economic hangover?

Ben Schwall, for one, thinks the headache is already setting in for the country's seemingly unstoppable export machine.

"If you are a factory owner here, it’s not like you're being kicked around. Somebody has hit you over the head with a baseball bat," he said.

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I met Schwall on a recent visit to the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, where he buys decorative lights for a string of U.S. retailers. "It's the perfect storm," he told me. "You've got a drop in demand. Business stinks. At the same time prices are going up."

‘Perfect storm’
The "perfect storm" is being caused by the soaring price of oil and other raw materials, spiraling labor costs, and the appreciation in the value of China's currency against the U.S. dollar, as well as a sharp down turn in demand as the U.S. faces possible recession.

Factories are closing right across the region where China's export boom began, with the most pain being felt at the low end – lighting and shoe factories, for instance. One of the few businesses still booming is scrap metal, teams clearing the remains of shuttered production lines.

Dong Tao, the Chief Asia Economist at Credit Swisse, just across the border in Hong Kong, calls it the end on an era of ultra-cheap Chinese exports.

"We expect that in the next three years, one third of Guangdong's manufacturing export factories will be closed down," he told me.

There are tens of thousands of factories here. If China is the workshop of the world, then this is its engine. A third of China's exports come from Guangdong, feeding the world's insatiable appetite for everything from shoes to lights to electronic goods.

"The entire world had the impression that the happy party of very cheap Chinese goods could last forever," Dong said. "I thought that. But I think perhaps its coming to an end."

The oil price affects the cost of production, but also the cost of shipping raw materials to China and then shipping the finished product to the U.S.

Cheap labor drying up
China's limitless supply of young cheap labor seems to be drying up too. The minimum wage in Guangdong has doubled in three years, and now stands at around $120 a month. With overtime, workers are taking home more than $200 a month.

The one-child policy is beginning to slow the supply of nimble-fingered young women, favored by the factories. And the new generation of migrant workers from the countryside are more choosy about work – and more savvy.

At one big street side labor market, young migrants work their mobile phones, comparing wage rates between factories. A new labor law has given them more muscle, especially since – to the consternation of factory owners – the government seems determined to enforce it.

Labor turnover is running as high as 75 percent annually at some factories.

‘No profit!’
Many of the factories in this region are owned by Hong Kong and Taiwan entrepreneurs. Men like Philip Cheng, whose company, Strategic Sports, is one of the biggest manufactures of crash helmets, bemoan the sharp downturn. "We don't have any profit now. No profit!" he told me, as helmets snaked along on the conveyor belt behind him, workers pasting on the visors. "The days of cheap labor have gone. No cheap labor. OK?"

Down the road, Dongguan Shan Hsing Lighting has just moved into a new factory, but is now operating at fifty percent capacity. It’s been hit by the crisis in the U.S. housing market, its biggest customer. The company's president, Tim Hsu, said profits have dried up.

"With constantly rising prices, we have to raise our quotes to survive. American consumers will have to pay higher prices," he said.

Dong at Credit Swisse agreed."Watch out," he said, "the prices in Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Motorola, they're going up."

Other factories are chasing lower labor costs elsewhere. Dong told me forty percent of factories he surveyed recently are looking to move – either to inland China, where costs are less, or out of the country.

Cheng of Strategic Sports is looking at Vietnam, where labor costs are now around half of those of China; Schwall, the lighting buyer, is planning a visit to India.

For Schwall, there's another headache. His company, Aliya Intenational, also monitors quality, making sure manufacturers aren’t cutting corners in the production process or using sub-standard or dangerous materials, a task made all the more important following last year's spate of product recalls.

He said that even before the latest surge in costs, factories were operating on wafer-thin profit margins, and now some may be more tempted to take short cuts as a way of cutting costs.

"The devil is everywhere," he told me as he examined the fittings on an elaborate chandelier he'd plucked from a busy production line. "And of course there is temptation."

He said he feels much happier when the factories he's dealing with are at least making some money, since the temptation to cut corners then is not as great.

What does it mean for China Inc?
All of which begs the question of what this means for China Inc. The pain seems most acute in the export manufacturing heartlands of the south, and doesn't appear to have yet dented China's overall growth rate, which remains above 10 percent – though many economists are skeptical about the accuracy of the official figures.

The Chinese media has carried stories pointing to a slowdown, but they have tended to follow the official line of keeping bad news off the presses during the Olympic Games. Officials in Guangdong have also played it down, describing the closures as just a normal transition away from low-end production, of the kind that took place in Taiwan, Korea or Japan. Which may well be good in the long term.

The problem is the meltdown is happening so quickly. The head of the Hong Kong Small and Medium Enterprise Association, whose members are big investors, warned in late June that 20,000 of the 70,000 Hong Kong-owned factories in Guangdong could close this year. He said the region is no longer competitive.

Economic ups and downs are not new to the rest of the world, but China has known little but boom for nearly thirty years. Breakneck double digit growth has become the norm. No other major economy has grown like China over that period.

Moreover, China's communist leaders, presiding over one of the world's most rapacious capitalist economies, have traded on their ability to deliver economic growth to dampen demands for political change.

The massive Olympic rebuilding – with its $40 billion price tag – also provided an economic stimulus, which will soon be over. The Games have given a big "feel good" lift to Chinese, about what they've achieved and where they are going.

This, and the seemingly unstoppable boom, have set expectations very high about the future, which could make a post-Olympic economic slowdown all the more difficult to manage.

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Great!!  When the price goes up, we will stop throwing away the inferior products coming out of China and take them back to the store for a refund...
Don't believe me?  Go to Home Depot and buy a phillips head screw and try to get it in the wall before the head collapses.
I'm glad to finally see that we are slowing down our "money pumping" into the humanity bankrupt Chinese economy. It's terrible enough that the olympics were chosen to be there. I'm wondering what McCain's plan is for limiting outsourcing if he becomes president, I heard Barack mention that he wanted to stop the tax credits for American companies outsourcing their products/labors. I'm concerned about the poor citizens of China, hopefully (but doubtful given how little the  communist structure cares about it's citizens) the poor factory/industrial workers will be able to find another means to support themselves, I'm assuming that  the government won't give a hoot about their well-being.
"Dong at Credit Swisse agreed."Watch out," he said, "the prices in Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Motorola, they're going up." "

I can't agree more and lets agree that means inflation to middle class Americans
It is unfortunate that everyone feels that cheap prices on oil, consumer goods, housing, etc. can last forever. What world leaders, as well as business leaders, need to evaluate is what happened in the past. Has anything really ever been permanent? Have economic, social, geographic, religious variables stayed static, never flucuating? The world we live in is dynamic and the sooner we realize that (everyone) than the sooner we will be capable of true adaptation. I hope we get to that point soon.:)
i think it is good news for the american people and i hope those american companies star investing in their own country and stop giving money to those goverment like china than besides violating human rights every day to their own people they consider us their enemies
bring them back to us factories.It is now time to wake up world.We are a mess everywhere.All in the name of Greed.
It's about time that the Chinese are forced to reap what they sew (both figuratively AND literally).  I am willing to pay more for a quality product that is made in the USA versus the the Wal-Mart quality crap that is thrust upon us from China.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/ChinaSetToTrumpUSInManufacturing.aspx

What this article doesn't tell you is that China doesn't want to be the cheap crap manufacturer of the world forever.  The Chinese government is allowing this to happen so that and giving incentives to do value added manufacturing.  This is typical of NBC's China bashing dept.
As the Olympics wind down, the speed at which growth & commodities are falling will increase. Housing/Financial Bust = Debt Market Collapse = US RECESSION = Lower US demand = Lower World demand = Lower Chinese Exports = Lower demand for oil, steel, copper, concrete, lumber etc = DEFLATION... this unprecedented and unique Global downturn will be studied in Economic Courses throughout all the major Universities of the world. Naysayers will look like fools, Pariahs with correct forecasts will look like Prophets and in the end the Rich will get richer somehow and the poor will continue to be slaves to this ubiquitous system. And this will probably happen again in the next 50-75yrs. Read between the lines sometimes and you might be able to keep yourself out of the "poor" category.
As the Olympics wind down, the speed at which growth & commodities are falling will increase. Housing/Financial Bust = Debt Market Collapse = US RECESSION = Lower US demand = Lower World demand = Lower Chinese Exports = Lower demand for oil, steel, copper, concrete, lumber etc = DEFLATION... this unprecedented and unique Global downturn will be studied in Economic Courses throughout all the major Universities of the world. Naysayers will look like fools, Pariahs with correct forecasts will look like Prophets and in the end the Rich will get richer somehow and the poor will continue to be slaves to this ubiquitous system. And this will probably happen again in the next 50-75yrs. Read between the lines sometimes and you might be able to keep yourself out of the "poor" category.
"China" welcome to the world of supply & demand & bubbles !!
Excellent post, but it ignores the flip side, which is that China's retail and service sectors are booming and foreign companies are rushing into those markets.  China is moving from being the world's factory to a nation with a helluva lot of consumers.  
With so many of our products now manufactured in China it will be very interesting to see what transpires this year.  Most of our suppliers have given no indication of a potential shuttering of factories - after reading this report we're now seriously considering if delays over the last few months are not the result of customs or shipping but instead factory delays.
The free world America is showing the whole world, It is time for fair treatment, no cheap labor and no profits just for the rich. If the rich share with the backbone of there company the people, then we can do better. What country has better workers then America? none, we are not slaves we are people. GOD BLESS AMERICA  
i think the article overlooked something.  The quake rebuilding would be many times that of the Olympics, and last for years to come.
The possible downturn in exports to the US also will have an impact on the US government's ability to run big deficits using China to buy its treasury notes to recycle all the surplus US dollars it has been accumulating.
As the Olympics wind down, the speed at which growth & commodities are falling will increase. Housing/Financial Bust = Debt Market Collapse = US RECESSION = Lower US demand = Lower World demand = Lower Chinese Exports = Lower demand for oil, steel, copper, concrete, lumber etc = DEFLATION... this unprecedented and unique Global downturn will be studied in Economic Courses throughout all the major Universities of the world. Naysayers will look like fools, Pariahs with correct forecasts will look like Prophets and in the end the Rich will get richer somehow and the poor will continue to be slaves to this ubiquitous system. And this will probably happen again in the next 50-75yrs. Read between the lines sometimes and you might be able to keep yourself out of the "poor" category.
China is too greedy, manipulative and corrupt to withstand any downturn for any long-term period of time.
If the world is flat and there are few barriers between regions, then a US economic downturn has to eventually be felt by China. The search for cheaper labor will never end, this is a consequence of rising costs and standards of living everywhere. It is also the inevitable outcome of a global economy that is relentlessly focused on profit margins and low consumer prices. Luckily for China, no other country in the world can match its manufacturing labor force. It can only lose a certain amount of work to other countries, low prices notwithstanding. And they have a headstart on their manufacturing infrastructure. China has ridden the upside of capitalism for a long time, and now will have to feel some of the downside, but they can emerge stronger if the government takes advantage of this golden period, and diversifies their economy. China is still in an enviable position.
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And if anyone did'nt see this coming it is because they did not want to. When the US shifted from a Capitalist State to a Consumerism State we fed China untold amounts of money to produce products we had always manufactured.
Now, we have little manufacturing, (the real backbone of a solid economy) too much debt and we are not consuming enough to offset China's increasing energy and labor costs. BOO HOO.
Let them try making a buck on an even playing field with Union Labor, EPA regulations and disproportionate import to export ratios.
The story quotes one of the players as saying " Americans will have to pay more" Let that be a wake up call to all of you. Call it the Wal - Mart philosophy on Steroids. When there is only one game in town, the price does not stay "lowest every day" It does not have to.
There is hope, return American investment dollars to this country, un mothball the factories, get the dependent class off their lazy buts and get to work creating good products that the working class can afford to buy. Export to import ratio alignment would bring stability for the future of the jobs and stop unfairly favoring cheap, dirty, cookie cutter knock off products from places like China.
Watch our economic status stabilize and continue to be based on something other than papaer money and hedge fund fees and profits.
What about the 2110 World Expo in Shanghai? And, whats happening with the real estate bubble?
The dollar will continue to devaluate, as the U.S government has in fact taken on 5 trillion more in debt through bailing out Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. Oh, they will spread it out over 5-10 years, but that is the fact. We have just added 50% to our national debt, and the world knows it. Foriegn goods, items manufactured in China (not to mention foriegn oil) will become significantly more expensive. This happened, on a smaller scale, to the domestic machine tool industry in the 80's. The Japenese displaced thousands of high paying, skilled U.S jobs with preditory pricing, and a distorted exchange rate. After the exchange rate flip flopped, we were left with fewer jobs, and higher priced goods. The same thing is happening with China, but on a much larger scale. Moving materals across the ocean requires oil, and it will not get less expensive. Chinese wages will only go up. Which is less expensive, goods produced in a highly automated domestic factory, or goods produced in a labor intensive Chinese factory, and then shipped thousands of miles to the domestic cosumer?

Unfortuneately, we have given up the manufacturing capacity, and associated jobs, necessary to produce what we consume domestically, so we are stuck with inflation, no jobs, no savings in the bank, consequently no capital for banks to leverage for loans to fund expansion of the economy, and reduced taxes on reduced economic activity.

We are hooked on foriegn oil, and foriegn goods. Our government, Republicans and Democrats alike, have sold us out to the free traders for decades, yet use tax payer money for bailouts. We accept all the risk, but the top 1% (ultra rich) get the rewards.  

We need to enforce trade laws. We need protective tariffs that compensate for the Social Security, Federal Unemployment, State Unemployment, Minimum Wage, O.S.H.A., E.P.A., and Health Care costs our domestic employers must pay. We must reduce business income taxes to zero. Profits will flow into the individual 401K and IRA accounts that own our domestic corporations. The middle class will survive! Tax revenue will come from significant income taxes on the wealthiest 1%. If they don't want to pay tax on it, they can control it by giving it away through charitable organizations.

THIS CAN HAPPEN QUICKLY. It only took China 20 years to accomplish what took America 200 years to accomplish industrially. If we substitute conservation for consumption, and vote with our dollars, we consumers can control our destiny. Don't leave it up to the politicians. Spend your money with your neighbor.  

American consumption does not equal American success.    
 
It's only right that China begin to understand (feel) what the rest of globe, save for maybe Brazil and Canada, are experiencing.  Perhaps they will now understand that the economic health of other nations is directly related to their own country's economic success.  Fostering, that's the idea anyway, a more amenable approach to their relationships with other countries as well as their own population.
What goes up has to come down.  The faster you climb the faster you fall.  We are a global economy that has done very well for many years.  Most of the world's citizens have gotten the disease called Instant Gratification.  We no longer save our money and buy it with cash instead we buy it on credit.  We are headed into the worse credit disaster in history.  It is already evident in the United States housing industry.

The real price of any good is set by what someone will pay for it and what they can afford to pay.  If they can get it on credit they don’t look at the total price tag but rather the monthly payment.  Once consumers wake up and realize that all of these small monthly payments out pace their income they panic.  The panic starts locally but in the end it will feel globally.  Fancy loans with adjustable mortgages have caused and will continue to cause a glut of foreclosures. The real value of houses will continue to fall.

We are going to go through a major adjustment of credit and the real value of commodities.  Buying stuff has become a real addiction that is causing more pain than can be preserved.  It is ruining families in many different ways.  We all need to realize what really makes us happy.  Stuff will never make you happy, living below your means and having good relationships with your family and friends is much more rewarding that having the latest iPod.    
I look for a balanced development, which should be more fit with our trdition and culture.
Boom and bust, welcome to the free market China.

Big business took advantage of you, low wages, as soon as you begin to start a middle class, they abandon you.  They've already abandonded their home countries, such good old US companies.  

We can now all shop at Wal-Mart, work at Wal-Mart, worship at Wal-Mart, visit the doctor at Wal-Mart, we have a wonderful global economic future with Wal-Mart :)
Damn this sounds bad! We are going to see 1.3 Billion pissed off Chinese looking for Jobs. I do not want to be in any Chinese Governemnts shoes this couple of years. I'm sure we will see alot of riots in China due to the slow down in Export and the closure of factories! Good luck to China!!
please understand that Guangdong province is a private land for my clan and that we order to remove all the people in our land because that was a gift of love of my ancestors and that we are setting up the biggest bank oin the world . TYhank you for mot misunderstanding this matter . We owned the land that is Guangdong , a gift of love with mortis causa from Mao Tse Tong . thank you . We are going to improve China in the next coming of months , China is always the top of the world because it is in the lions gate.The world have change and it is only the beginning of the new world of change . What you own is being return because that is inheritance and that all will be given to you because it belongs to you
guangdong is our province so dont be misunderstood that China will fall down , China will rises up because China is in the Lions gate
Please stop this sensless talk, people like you scaring americans with this fake predictions.Be more optimistic!!!!!
Oh Yeah!

The energy crisis and it's economic power is everywhere now!!!  No human or national economy on earth is without some impact from what's happening in this regard.

All of us (or our children) are going to feel this pain some how.

It remains to be seen if us humans as a species (and without borders) can come up with a way to collectively meet our present and future energy needs without huge environmental impacts and without huge costs to all of us.  (Whether those costs be in terms of currency or loss/betterment of our environment on earth.)

Without a doubt, this is the biggest dillema that has ever faced us all.

The China boom may be slowing, but lets not kid ourselves that all the work that was outsourced will come back to the US. We live in a global economy now and if China becomes too expensive the work will move to Vietnam, India, or even Africa may hit the world stage in the next decade.
I wonder whether this article might be tied into the commonly held belief that Americans are looking for reasons as to why the Chinese are performing so strongly in the Olympics. Our own issues and self-doubts are leading us to questions others, when the real questions should be directed at the people who are right now, vying to be our next president.
Good!  Maybe we will now have a choice in manufactured goods: Cheap crap from China and quality goods from the USA!
China is experiencing the same sort of "cycle" that almost every other industrialized nation has or will.  The biggest problem that is going to hurt them the worst is the rebound effect.  The rapid growth, double digit for 30 years, is going to rebound in the form of double digit inflation and production closings.  Not to mention that it seems that the very thing that got them where they are is drying up, the cheap labor, and now they may very well experience the "karma" of having swiped a great deal of manufacturing business from other countries and will now watch that same manufucturing go to other countries where the labor is, if not truly cheap, at least CHEAPER than China now is.  
Is this current slowdown in China a repeat of the retreat when the Mandarins took over in the 1400's and reeled in their trading fleets?
Stop making so much, decrease the prices of production. its great! chinas exports are crappy products. maybe we will start making our own stuff here again. you know food costs might be rising but you can still grow your own food. furniture costs are rising but you can build your own furniture. you can even sew your own clothes. we panic because times are changing. too bad they are changing for the better.
It is shameful that American and other corporations moved businesses to China to take advantage not of cheap labor, but really of the tyranny that prevented unionization or environmental laws.  Let us do all we can to help the people of Tibet to overthrow this tyranny in their country, a country being ruined by Chinese greed.  Little Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia escaped Stalinist Soviet Union, now it is TIBET'S TURN to be FREE.
All you stupid fools out there! The quality of the Chinese goods is low because Americans want cheap prices...  and don't want to pay for quality. Never mind that better made more expensive goods would be cheaper in the long run. All the American cares about is CHEAP and want it NOW.... no thought to the future or long term costs.
Having lived and worked in China and witnessed the Student Democracy Movement I can more than assure you that with a down turn will come a more dictatorial centralized Chinese government.  China's economic growth of the past 30 years was accompanied by rampant corruption, decentralized government and a burgeoning class of consumers with their sites set on greater freedom and consumption.  A clash of the "People" and the Peoples Republic of China is in the making.

Expect human rights to be ignored and far reaching crack downs to take place for Christians, Falun Gong members and any other regional economic, social or religious entities such as Tibet, Hong Kong or ??? that are perceived as a threat to the People's Party.

There is a price to be paid by the masses for the benefits gained from Communist Capitalism.  Is a return to a more agrarian society in the making?  The Central Government will maintain control at all costs.
China is getting ready to suffer Mexico's fate, however without the US in its border. It's time to move on to the next country, that's going to make our cheap crap.
hey, stupid american guys who fears that China ia becoming stronger and will exceed your nation, if you do not want the products made in China, you could ask your gonverment to stop importion, that is okay, but the common won't agree to buy expensive onew which made by you, but us, Chinese people who have the guts to refuse the goods from USA, becasue we could import from Europe for better quanlity than yours, I believe that It won't take more time, some of your big companys like GM, FORD and Chysler will face the problem of the bankcruptcy, and you will be astonished that the buyer will be the Chinese.

We show our repect to human rights, but the conception is totally different with yours, and remember to watch the Olympic, this is the most sucessful game than any gane held ever before, you do not want accept this result, you, stupid americans want to see more demonstration on the street, more protesters against the goverment, you want to shame the Chinese goverment, you want to shame the Chinese people, but I could firmly tell you peolple, It will never ever occured, we have deployed many secret police and military people to gurantee this game, no one could damage this olympics
NOT SO BAD.NO MATTER WHAT,CHINA STILL HAVE CHEAP LABOR.COMPARE JUST $200 A MONTH TO $2000 A MONTH IN U.S,THE FACTORIES IS NOT GOING TO MOVE BACK HERE.MATTER OF FACT,MORE AND MORE COMPANY FROM U.S OPEN THEIR BUSINESS OVER THERE.
Greed will bring on another Great Depression.  We have to wake up and smell the coffee on what is happening with our economy.
If China economy is this simple, it won't be China. Ian owes the readers a fuller picture on investment made by Disney in Shanghai, HSBC and Syandchart attempt relisting in Chinese stock market........
with jobs which everyone wish would stay in his own country. Don't ever underestimate the resilience of the Chinese.
after reading these posts i realize that american people are not as stupid as i thought.they seem to be aware that our government is letting the chinese rob us blind .
It's comical that some Americans are blaming China producing cheap quality products.  Well, STOP picking up the inferior quality goods into your shopping cart at Walmart, Home Depot, dollar stores, whatever.  If  consumers start demanding good quality goods then you will see more of the good stuff around.  Don't forget Americans are natural at making demands and American market is consumer driven.
Why do you all blame someone else for manufacturing moving to China?  You are the ones buying the cheap crap thus funding China's boom.  Quit buying junk.  Buy only what you need and quit sending your money to China.  The next time you decide to buy something you don't need (and you really need to reconsider the meaning of "need") take a look at where it was made.
It's comical that some Americans are blaming China producing cheap quality products.  Well, STOP picking up the inferior quality goods into your shopping cart at Walmart, Home Depot, dollar stores, whatever.  If  consumers start demanding good quality goods then you will see more of the good stuff around.  Don't forget Americans are natural at making demands and American market is consumer driven.
What about pollution?  I understand that the mining regions of china are becoming quite unhealthy.  China's a big country, but you can't keep moving away from chemical spills forever.  Where will China find the trillions it will take to clean up the mess?


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