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Exuberance at one of Beijing’s state-sponsored churches

Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:08 PM
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"Are you a Protestant?" the fresh-faced church member, dressed in a blue blouse and crisp pants, greeted me as I walked into the foyer of Beijing's Kuanjie Church, which President Bush will visit on Sunday.  Around her, dozens of other members, dressed in identical uniforms, directed incoming churchgoers - many dressed in white baptismal robes  - into the main chapel. 

After years of reading about China's suppression of religious freedoms, I must admit that I honestly didn't know what to expect. Bowed heads and hushed tones, maybe.  But what I encountered was exuberance.

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Kuanjie Church members watch as fellow worshippers are baptized at the government-sanctioned church in Beijing on Aug.3.


It was Baptism Day, which only occurs twice a year.  Chinese men, women and children jammed the pews of the main chapel.  Everywhere I looked, beaming faces were mouthing the Chinese verses to "All things bright and beautiful."  One by one, white-robed parishioners were led into a small wading pool and tipped backward to a chorus of prayer and religious songs.

Seeking solace
Li Jian'an, the chief pastor of the church, had a questioning face with eyes that lit up when he spoke about his faith. He said that each baptism adds some 200 new parishioners to the church’s ranks. With a broad smile, Pastor Li said that more and more younger Chinese, trying to solve problems they can't solve otherwise, are finding God. Many are seeking solace to alleviate stress in their marriages, jobs, or children's education - problems that sound all too familiar to the Western ear.

Kuanjie Church is one of several Chinese government-sanctioned churches in Beijing. Tucked away off a hutong just north of the Forbidden City, it’s an unimposing two-story building, which one would not pay much attention to but for the massive cross on its roof. But come next week Kuanjie will become very well known because it's the one church that President Bush has chosen to worship in during his trip here for the 2008 Olympics. Exciting as this event may be, church officials hint it could be a double-edged sword - as it will raise the church's profile right under the lens of the attentive Chinese government.

Illegal 'house churches'
In China, the right to pray is not frowned upon, but you must do it in the correct place. For many years Christianity was marginalized by China's officially atheist government. The ruling Communist Party requires all religious organizations to register with the state, giving it broad latitude in running the church. Despite that, unauthorized "house churches" - many run out of small living rooms - have sprouted up across the country. The government has repeatedly cracked down on them and hauled their pastors off to labor camps, stating that such worship houses "destabilize the public order." However, after winning their bid for the Games, Beijing officials allotted money to several sanctioned churches so they could revamp their facilities in order to put forward a better face for international visitors.

Although China has repeatedly denied any form of religious oppression, try asking even a state-sanctioned pastor about the issue. Pastor Li has visited the United States only once. He recalled how "loose and carefree" worship was there, where people wear shorts and flip-flops to services and play the guitar. He said he had heard of evangelicalism, but hasn’t seen it in action. He intimated that such forms of worship might be something he'd "consider" in the future, but admitted it's a long way off. A Chinese church worships "according to its own feelings and inspiration," he said.

Church numbers swell
Li said he thought that the recent spate of house church arrests stemmed from the jitters the country has over the Olympics - but expects that leniency will come after the Games are over. He doesn't venture as far as to condone the existence of house churches, but feels a strong affinity for them as they all "worship the same God" as he does, and he is happy that they can all "share God's glory and testify to God." He has invited house church worshippers to visit his church and attend his services. In return, he has visited their churches. When asked why there is such a strong need in China for house churches, he said that the low numbers of state-sanctioned churches cannot satisfy the great number of worshippers.

Within the last decade, church attendance numbers have swelled. The World Christian Database estimates there are 70 million Christians in China - a number that includes all the Christian faiths - while China's official estimate hovers at a far lower number of around 21 million. Whatever the true number is, with Bush due to attend Kuanjie this Sunday, Pastor Li might just find a few more people to baptize next time.

NBC News' John Yang will be with President Bush as he visits Kuanjie Church on Sunday. For more on this church and the President's visit to China, tune in to NBC Nightly News on Sunday, Aug. 10.

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The following sentences below are from above as the should read for clarity:

"The ruling Communist Party requires all religious organizations to register with the state, giving THE STATE broad latitude in running the church. BECAUSE OF this..."

While the registerd churches are given some freedom, the government interferes with their affairs quite often, and therefore many refuse to have anything to do with them, and so they form their own house churches.
I am so happy to know that Christianity exists and is growing in China.  Good Christians make good citizens.  Global issues of human rights, environment, ... It all starts with loving neighbors.  Isn't that what Jesus taught?  It's a small start--keep it going China!
Ya, china is a great place, making lots of industrial and technological improvements, blahblah ... want to know where they are getting their technology from?

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I think it's wonderful that the president is going to a church in China.  Having just returned from China and going to a government church, I can testify to the hunger that people have for God in China.
Christ offers hope to any and all who come to him. Christianity is not a western monopoly and in all parts of the globe are the evidence of it. Even Pharoah obeyed the comands of God. I am glad to see the work done by so many early evangelist's bore fruit. American churches should learn a lesson from these Chinese brothers and sisters.
It's a very interesting moment for all of us, christians who believe the true message of Christ.
Everybody will hear the gospel no matter the Chinese Government's conception of christianity!
Many Chinese are very offended by Bush's visit to church and lecturing Chinese on religious matter in China, because Chinese have always had their own religion. Confucious and Taoism! How arrogant and dare you push your religion down to my throat! Freedom of religion also means freedom to choose my own religion and not to be pushed to yours!
no government, no maatter how oppressive, can stand
against God.  Not since Christ's time on earth has
faith in god been destroyed.  it is the holy spirit
within us.  the body may die, may imprisoned, may be
tortured but His love endures all things, generation
by generation.
Editorially, it seems 'parishioner' is not the word for people of a Protestant church. It is repetitively used this way in news articles. A 'congregant' or 'congregants' would be accurate in this context, wouldn't it?
No church or religion should be state sanctioned or controlled.  China, being a communist country, they deem this their responsibility.  Everyone should worship freely without government intrusion.  
We Christians are so blessed here in the United States.  Let us all join together and pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ who live not only in China but in other countries where there is suppression of religious freedom, that they may continue to fight the good fight of faith
Chinese Christians have worshipped in homes for years...out of necessity and desire.  Thank god that Christianity is growing there. Only Christ can satisfy and those in deep need soon discover this truth.  Christianity is certainly not confined to the West, Christ died for all.
Christians in China live with persecution, abuse, harassment, arrest, beatings, torture and imprisonment. Attending a church which is not state sponsored is a crime. Attending even informal meetings for prayer, fellowship or Bible study, is a crime. Owning an “unregistered” copy of the Bible is a crime.

Although the Chinese government allows a limited number of Bibles for their own “authorized” churches each year, the severe Bible shortage continues to worsen as the number of believers grows by the thousands each day. According to the Bible League, an estimated 60 to 100 million believers belong to the Christian church in China. Nearly half -- 30 to 50 million Christians -- do not own a copy of the Scriptures.

If it were possible to legally, or “illegally” (according to present government standards), print and distribute one million copies annually, it would take 30 to 50 years just to supply the present estimated number of Christians with Bibles. At the same rate of distribution, In order to allow the rest of the population of 1.3 billion, an opportunity to own and read a Bible, it would require 1,000 years! I really think the Chinese government should lighten up.
The president just wants to go to church while he's in China. And as for "pushing" something on anyone, all he's addressing is HUMAN RIGHTS...the very thing you're complaining about FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. The president just talked about rights of a human being to worship God as they choose...not "who or what" to worship, just the freedom as a human to do so.
Oh goodness, people are so silly.  Instead of trying to convert people to a religion (are you guys THAT desperate?), why don't you spend time worrying about poverty, cruelty to animals etc?
Great, lets introduce the most populace country on earth to a state-run religion.  Who knows what "God" will tell them to do next.  
"Freedom to choose" wrote:
...Freedom of religion also means freedom to choose my own religion and not to be pushed to yours!...
How is Bush pushing you?  He is a devout Christian and is going to church.  Location does not matter, just as I find a church to attend while away from home.  Your "freedom of religion" seems to fail to give freedoms to Christians?!?  The main tenant of Christianity is to SHARE the gospel message.  You are VERY FREE to ignore it.
I grew up in a small town in China. The neighbour behind us had a house church at their place for probably over 15 years. They had at least 250 people on Sundays to workship. My grandmother and aunt were the memebers of that church. They now have a big real church. It can host more than 500 people. I have never seen or heard any government agencies cracking down that house church or arresting church memeber when I was in China. I moved to U.S. 7 years ago. I visited my hometown recently. The church were still there serving people. The pastor's daughter were my classmate from elementary school to middle school. We still talk to each other. Just my 2 cetns. Again, ask youself lots of questions, and if you can go to China to find out yourself.  
Wow, Christianity is so awesome!
Millions of Native Americans killed, cause they were "savages" and wouldn't convert.
Oh lets look the other way while millions of jews were being slaughtered during WWII.
Hey lets kill a doctor, because he preforms abortions.

Wanna talk about people being tortured because they are christians ? How about we talk about people getting tortured BY CHRISTIANS because they are not!

True message of christ? Do you get his message? Do you? or is it your pastor's version of it?



Remember, BABYLON THE GREAT in REVELATION is AMERICA.

 

I grew up in a small town in China. The neighbour behind us had a house church at their place for probably over 15 years. They had at least 250 people on Sundays to workship. My grandmother and aunt were the memebers of that church. They now have a big real church. It can host more than 500 people. I have never seen or heard any government agencies cracking down that house church or arresting church memeber when I was in China. I moved to U.S. 7 years ago. I visited my hometown recently. The church were still there serving people. The pastor's daughter were my classmate from elementary school to middle school. We still talk to each other. Just my 2 cetns. Again, ask youself lots of questions, and if you can go to China to find out yourself.  
Bush doesn't walk into a church to tell those people how to worship...are you nuts? He goes there to be among should be supporters of the idea that he is sending to the rest of the world (as is his job), and that is that all men/women should be allowed to worship the god of their choice as they see fit...if it be their will. It is probably your own hatred for Bush and religion that offends you, and that is why you misunderstand Bush's message. Good luck China, and the rest of the world for that matter.
How tragic! Once a great civilization with a long history of Taoism and Buddhism is now going down the drain with communism first and now christianity! When will the chinese people wake up and smell the coffee, before it's too late? I truly hope the Chinese do something about sending those evangelists disguised as 'English teachers' packing before the virus destroys the purity and inner harmony of this ancient society. GOD HELP!
All Bush is doing is going to worship. He isn't creating a church, religion, or congregation. He's going to a place of worship that already exists. He's not trying to convince anyone that he is right and they are wrong regarding faith, worship, etc.

I guess if you are trying to find something to criticize someone you dislike for, and your desperate enough for material, anything will do. But your desperation shows!
I started to write my own comments regarding those by "Freedom to choose" but then just noticed that "Jeff" had already written essentially what what was going through my mind.  As Christians, we believe in spreading the Gospel, but I don't know anyone trying to cram it down anyone else's throat, including the Chinese  It's encouraging to read of the growth of Christianity in China, in spite of the government.  "Freedom", suggest you spend a little time working at a better understanding of the Christian faith.
Mr/Ms 'Freedom-to-choose': I hope that someday you are allowed to openly freely practice whichever religion you choose in China. Mr Bush is trying to practice his personal beliefs while visiting that state-dominated congregation. His lecture to the Chinese govt is an attempt to bring them into the mainstream of the rest of the world, by protecting church from state.
Amen! Jeff
You have to commend China for making an effort not too look bad during the Bejing Olympics.  They are a proud people but offend easily as noted by those who came wearing "polution masks".  China's govenrnment were very offended by their actions, however they brought a point home none the less.  It will be good for their environment to have people from all over the world come to their country.  An eye opener for all.  Biblically speaking..." every eye shall see and every ear shall hear..."
Yes,people of God are so desperate to bring the word of the True GOD to the entire wold, the message of Jesus that he is the only way to Haven because He is the only One that payed such enormous price. He is alive now and He loves the people of China ( He created so many). It is true also that in times of persecution people turn to God more than in times of freedom, look how in the free world people choose not to worship our dear Lord or they have a fals religion.
Sierra, LA wrote: Oh goodness, people are so silly...

Poverty and cruelty among the many ills of this world are simply a byproduct of the sinful nature of mankind. Yes, we should reach out to those, but our purpose is to serve the one true God (the God of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ). He says in His word that if we lift up Jesus (in other words point people to Him and reflect Him through our lives), He will draw people to Himself. We are not desperate, just excited to share the great and free treasure that we have found in knowing Him and being adopted into His family. It is a world wide family and when He is finished adding to it, He will return and complete His plan. Everyone is given the opportunity to know this and the free will to accept or reject it. Poverty and cruelty is sad, but so much more sad is a lost soul for all of eternity. If these things are hard to understand, God says all you need to do is ask Him with sincerity to give you wisdom and He will do it. God says He wishes that none should perish, but He has also let us make the final decision. I hope (and just prayed) that you can be found by Him that you would live to tell others. God bless you.
"freedom to choose", you should do your homework, the chinese worshipped jehovah GOD long before confucious and taoism even existed!
"Freedom to Choose" wrote:
"Many Chinese are very offended by Bush's visit to church and lecturing Chinese on religious matter in China, because Chinese have always had their own religion. Confucious and Taoism! How arrogant and dare you push your religion down to my throat! Freedom of religion also means freedom to choose my own religion and not to be pushed to yours! "

I apologize for a long comment but the buzz phrases of an ongoing prejudice towards faith based world views needs to be addressed.

The Chinese government took away the Chinese people's right to traditionally Chinese religions as well.  Bush speaking in favor of freedom of religion is not "pushing" his "religion down "your "throat."  Neither is his attendance in Church.  But prohibiting the free exercise of religion and keeping any religious world view out of the public forum IS pushing the philosophy of secular humanism down everyone's throat.
As an open-minded agnostic, I'm just glad to see any  repressive government allowing a greater measure of freedom to individuals to exercise their personal religious beliefs.  A high percentage of people around the world draw strength and comfort from their religious practices, and I'm always glad to see that door opened to more people.  Like sports and the performing arts, religion can be a cross-cultural common grounds for, and I'm for anything (beneficial!)that gives people more in common.
Sierra, LA may need to read the Bible to find what it teaches about "poverty, cruelty to animals, etc."  The Bible states that "the righteous man cares for the needs of his animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel."   And no, we aren't that desperate, just wanting to share hope with the world.  It's a choice that is given, not forced.    
For all the criticism President Bush receives, its time to reflect on the decency and bravery he possesses! He is carrying out his religious convictions and is showing all how to do the same. After all, the USA WAS founded on Christian principles  even though a lot of people deny this. Look at what our country has accomplished by following the principles of the Ten Commandments and teachings of Jesus! === Unfortunately, the thinking these days in the USA for probably half the population is that GOD is a myth and not needed. Yes, people have the right to choose this kind of thinking. But, when the chips are down, WHY does God get all the blame? Think!

Since Christianity is detected to be spreading in China, it seems some people there have decided that their life situations there are bearable with the help of Jesus! So, I guess his teachings are a lie?
CMM, Darien, IL

It's troubling to me, and to millions of other people across the world who believe in God and a path to the Divine through the religious paths of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Unitarian Universalist, and on and on....that the use of the word God in this article and by Christian commenters is reserved for Christianity alone.  This kind of religious exclusivity and arrogance that assumes that billions of the world's population are wrong in their beliefs and doomed to hell, are a major cause of centureis of war and oppression.  I agree that Christians make good citizens, that is, TOLERANT, open-minded Christians.  Freedom OF religion indeed.  
I wonder if Mr Obama, a professing Christian, was president, would he have gone to church in China or feel it was politically inappropriate?
The substantive questions are the following:
1. Where do the pastors of the sanctioned Chinese churches get their theological education?
2. How much of their preaching of the Epistles and the Gospels is regulated or downright censored?
3. Do the congregants and parishioners of these sanctioned churches read from unabridged, unedited, uncensored versions of the KJV, NIV or NAB Bibles?
4. Do the parishioners of the sanctioned Latin Church read and learn from an unabridged, unedited, uncensored version of the Catechism?
Depending upon the answers to any and all of these questions, the truth of 'freedom of religion' in Communist China will be revealed.
There is so much misunderstanding.  I was in Beijing in June and talking with my tour guide, she was suprized to learn that Christianty was not a western religion but had its origin from the Middle East and the "average Christian" is not a westener with white skin but a person with dark skin from the east not able to speak english!
freedom of choice is the way for all people,no matter what religion they want to believe in and what takes them through lifes journeys for a better life and citizen of there country no matter where.
In order to have a expirence in the grace of God, we must worship according to the dictation of the Spirit Of God. Not some state run program! Christian, simply means Christ is born inside of us when we expirence the new birth. No new creature,no new creation. No new creature, no real salvation, the person is still sheilding the flesh,(which must die)if we are to recieve that resurction to a new life in Christ Jesus. Christ our Lord Said it well,"Except a kernal of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone, but if it die, it will bring forth much fruit." We must be as He was, He did not avoid confrontation with those in athority, He offered no acusations, and no defense. we are not to consider these things either as we obey our Father in Heaven, Jesus didn't and we are not to either. It is not us who speak, but the Holy Spirit of God that dwells in us. I realize that it is easy to say these things here in the good old USA, where it costs us very little to serve God, but we pay the same price as others only in a diffrent way. We say these things to an unresponsive cleargy, and church members, who are worldy minded. People respond to their religous nature but doing that will never save them, We must be born again, it is the new birth or hell. Sin shall never enter there, you will be saved from your sins or yuo will not enter with the saints of God.
God bless President Bush for not being ashamed of Christ at this spiritually unpopular time.I pray he will make it that day.I pray that other Christian world leaders who are fast losing their stand for HIM who bled and died will wake up too.together we will rejoice with the saints over their after the rapture.Now I believe that George Bush is a Christian indeed by this act and his unflinching support for the nation where the Lord comes from.I long to shake his hands over there that day in Jesus name.Amen
China's got a very thin veneer of "tolerance" that it likes to show the western world.  But underneath it is a brutality and disregard for individual humanity outside the elite that would shock most people.  

People sent away for crimes they didn't commit but happened to look similar to the description given.  Prisoners killed in death buses only to have their organs harvested and sold on the world's black market.  And so on.

The sad thing is that the US (myself included) funds this by buying cheaply made products made by impoverished men, women, and children all over China.  Often these people work far from home and sleep in dormitory rooms at the factory not much bigger than a bathroom without even a mattress on the floor.
Sierra & Freedom to Choose--This story highlights the human rights struggles that exist for millions of Chinese.  No one is trying to convert anyone or push any particular religion, but merely expressing the desire for people to be free to choose.  The Chinese have not always had their own religion as stated.  The Chinese government has always dictated religion to its citizens.  BIG DIFFERENCE.  Although this country was founded on Christianity, how fotunate we are to live in a country where we are free to follow any religious doctorine or none at all. In addition, we also have the right to let our voice be heard on other issues including poverty, animal rights, etc.  How silly it is to promote the rights of animals over the rights of human beings.  I'm sure many Chinese would be glad to trade places with you.
As Religions grow they become corrupt, unfortunately that's just the human condition, it begins spiritually but then the material needs overtakes the spiritual need and corruption blossoms. And there are an awful lot of people in China and the world at large, corruption is rife.

I'll try not to be offensive when I say this but Religion is a joke with no hopes of helping humanity, it is time we realised this and cast off its shackles, just think of how many wars would not be fought - religion is an excuse, without it they couldn't be fought without a damn good reason.

Since I'm only familiar with Christianity to a good degree I'll use that as an example. Christianity is inherently flawed as even if God (a Perfect Being apparently) had granted visions and knowledge to it's founders, Humanity (imperfect) can only interpret it to the best of Man's ability thus the actual meaning is lost and can be twisted by Man's perception. Think of all the atrocities committed in God's name, you cannot tell me that sanctioned murder is a good aspect of a religion. If God exists, I doubt a few murmerings of a few billion people out of the endless cosmos is going to affect God at all, so why subject yourself to it's false promises.

Humanity shapes its own destiny and is more deserved of praise then any idol of worship.
For those of you who are concerned for the safety of Chinese Christians who are being persecuted for following the Lord, the Voice of the Martyrs website would be a good place to learn what to do to help. Persecution of Christians is rampant in this day and age. More Christians are being killed now than any other time in history. People are beaten, raped, set on fire, and have their arms and legs hacked off, and yes, this does happen to children. Parishioners are forced into churches, the doors are locked, and the churches are set on fire. We are going to see more and more of this as the end times draw near and wickedness becomes more and more widespread. It's coming here to America, too. Little by little we are losing our rights. Every born again Christian should ask themselves if they are willing to die for the Lord. We are not evangelizing, and especially, not reaching children for the Lord. Most churches cater to the adults who pay the tithes and there is little for children. May God help us if the homosexual agenda destroys the family, and if millions go to hell because of the depravity we here in the Church are falling into. We need revival so we can have strength to stand up against the onslaught of the devil, because right now we have a false sense of security. The bubble will burst soon. Will you be ready?
Religion of any kind is evil.  Missionaries, supposedly "taking the gospel to heathens" have trashed cultures and civilations for hundreds of years.  Example:  Native American culture was ruined by these thugs on their march through America, all done in the name of God.  Leave the world alone, you so-called Godly people.
Thank you for writing this article, MSNBC
I certainly hope that Pres. Bush undergoes a spiritual awakening during his visit to a state sanctioned Church in Beijing. His own Church (United Methodist) condemmned his war on the people of Iraq way back in 2003.
These state sponsored "Christian" Chinese churches are a joke.  Don't believe it for a second.  Do your research on them - they aren't allowed to talk about many of the very basic foundations of the Christian faith.  It's just another attempt by the Chinese govt to present a whitewashed public image to the world - just like Tibet, their support of Sudan, their oppression of political dissidents, etc.  In this day of free flowing information it's amazing that countries like China, Iran, North Korea, and Myanmaar can do what they do - they are now the tragic laughingstock of the free world.
Truth is Truth and God's Truth will prevail in spite of any government or person or belief system no matter how religious or non religious they may be.  This has been proven in China whether through the government sanctioned churches or illegal ones.  Pastors might be imprisoned but the church in China has grown.


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