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Demand side of oil issue: 1.3 billion Chinese

Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:30 AM
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BEIJING – I think the average Chinese is genuinely puzzled when the West, especially the United States, points its finger at China as a gas-guzzling energy hog responsible for driving up fuel costs worldwide and polluting the planet all at once.

After all, in this developing country where hardship is a not a distant memory and where conservation was a learned necessity, the amount of energy consumed by the average Chinese is still roughly one-sixth of the typical American. The majority of pollution comes from industry, not individuals.

VIDEO: Chinese oil consumption vs. U.S.

The problem for China is its population: 1.3 billion people, many of whom are experiencing economic opportunity for the first time and who are working for some of the advantages many Americans take for granted, including owning a car.

In the world’s most populous country, it means every day about 1,000 new cars hit the streets in the capital city of Beijing alone. These new cars and the existing ones require fuel, which accounts for some of the reason why China’s oil consumption has been increasing by about 9 percent annually.

Shift on gas prices
To be sure, gasoline at the pump has been relatively cheap here. To encourage economic growth, China had set fuel prices well below international prices. To do that the government last year alone forked over $22 billion of its own money to subsidize fuel costs and give motorists and commercial transportation a break.

But no longer. The international community has been pressuring China to set realistic prices in hopes that it would help stabilize world oil prices and without any advance notice, on June 19, China complied. Pump prices were raised by about 18 percent, which almost instantly dropped the worldwide price of a barrel of crude oil by over $4.

With the increase, the price of a gallon of gas here is now $3 a gallon. That may sound like a deal to most Americans, but it’s worth noting that multiple federal and state taxes aren’t riding piggyback on the price of fuel here – and hence driving up the costs at the pump – as they do in the States. Also, the average income in China is only about $1,200 a year. When we interview Chinese motorists about higher gas prices, their answers sound a whole lot like the ones heard in the United States.

Rising middle class
The fuel price hike may curb some driving habits, but is not likely to significantly slow the purchase and use of cars in China because the standard of living is rising so quickly.

That means at some point in the future, it seems inevitable that the United States and China may be directly competing for the same oil. Hardly anyone wants to speculate what that contest would do to the price you pay for fuel.

Each country theoretically has the ability to mandate sweeping fuel efficiency standards in new vehicles put on the road, if there is the political will.

China, with an authoritarian government and a car culture in its infancy, may have an easier time pulling that off, although they may want to move fast.

Many of China’s new motorists want a Western lifestyle and a vehicle that reflects it. Imported SUV sales in China are already up 40 percent this year.

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Additionally, being an ex USN, I know how our vessels and planes waste fuel. We blame China for consuming 1/6 of oil supply?  Get real.
The major thing here is that the Fed printed too much money! Do not waste time to find any more excuses.
Blame the people "speculating" that China's populous will start living like Americans in 5 years for the higher gas prices.  C'mon, who buying crude at $135 a barrel wants to lose money?
I smell bicycles, mopends, scooters, and a whole lotta walkin' in our future... good businesses to get into right now. Horse anyone? I'm back... I'm back in the saddle again.. I'm back... I'm back in the saddle aga-a-ain... :  )  S
Never, ever get in a land war in Asia...
Interestingly, the scooters ands bikes and such will be great for the urbanites. But all those poor folks who live way out of town and need to commute everyday are the ones who will suffer most. Where I live, the mass transit system is a mess and the population is really spread out. Monthly gas bills are like a second mortgage now.  
I just returned from China where I experienced traffic problems that could have been New York. They have every type auto dealership we have in the U.S.  I also looked at the real estate market and it was thriving. Yes, they are already compeating.
Everyone is for increasing the standard of living in poor and 3rd world nations... until they realize exactly what this means.   The stark, cold reality is that there is not enough resources on this planet for India and China to live an American lifestyle.

So what happens next?  More demand than supply, so prices have to rise until we have demand destruction.   The real question is, which side will suffer the demand destruction, China or the US?
I am waiting for my smart car.
Blame congress (Democrates) for not acting on energy legislation.
Yeah. Blame it on the chinese. It's like when food prices were soaring and rice was being rationed, Bush came out and blamed India for their massive food consumption. Are you kidding!
what a trite article. "we" are not "pointing fingers" at china about their consumption. it is a fact that china and india, with their huge populations, and increasing middle class are consuming more oil. simple as that. fact is fact.
drill for oil and refine our own fuel. The polar bears will find new homes.
No, blame Republicans.  George HW Bush and His son Gov Jeb outlawed offshore drilling 15 years ago(still a good decision as we need to get away from oil, the obsolete "horse and carriage" for the 21st century.
Reagan had control of both houses of congress and 8 years. 7 of the last 10 presidential elections elected Republicans.  Why did those 7 Republicans do nothing?  Carter tried to get Americans to conserve and he was spat upon. Now we are back at 1974(Nixon). 70% of the time during the last 40 years, a Republican President has set energy policy.
China is already outpolluting us as of last year and that will only get worse as automobiles explode across their country in ever more massive numbers.  There middle class is already rivaling ours.  It won't be 5 years for them to catch up, for millions of them it's already there and that will only get worse, (better for them of course).

The fact that oil prices dropped when they stopped their subsidies says it all and India hasn't even begun to clear it's throat, let alone sing.
Alot of oil (and oil plus natural gas) is used in household energy use.  All of this can be replaced by solar.  I drive a saturn that gets over 35 mpg on the highway.  My next vehicle will be a highbred. Alternate renewable energy is now an economic as well as environmental necessity.
In terms of energy conservation, I believe Chinese families are doing a much better job. They seldom leave lights on when no one is arround. They never standing by the refrigerator wondering what to pick while the door is wide open. I didn't know anyone uses a dryer, heat and air conditioner are only turned on in extreme days in China. But here, my American neighbors had their air conditioners on when it is quite nice and cool outside, they just don't bother to open the window. What puzzles me most is the little use of solar energy in US. My parents in China have been using a solar water heater for about 8 years in their apartment in a multi-floor building, while I never saw one American family equipped with a solar heater during my ten years stay in US. I thought it should be much easier to install a solar panel on a single house than a multi-family apartment building. After all, I saw lots of places and opportunities to reduce energy cost here in US, the problem is there is only more complaining than acting.
JUST WAIT OBAMA WILL FIX HE SAYS HE CAN FIX EVERY THING! JUST YOU WAIT
We can send a monkey in outter space, have a man walk on the moon, and link the world through the internet; but we still have to pump this soupy crud out the ground so we can drive to the city.  Wait aminute, some where along the line our economy also was established in that same sorry tar pit.  Are we an educated people capable of solving this issue or what I fear the most, greedy and lazy?  Which is it GM and Ford???
Interestingly, more oil has been taken out of circulation by futures contract traders than China.

It's a complicated subject, but in essence when someone buys a futures contract to use it, on a certain day they sell it and use the oil at a fixed price. If you buy it as an investment, you don't use the oil, you just roll it over if you think prices are going to continue to go up. You have the oil as an investment and just hold it as it's price increases.

This speculation is tying up HUGE amounts of oil as money leaves the housing and stock market and is used for speculation in the commodities market.

We may think the cost of production is going to go up, but that is in the future. In the last year, production costs haven't gone up 300%. But we are paying that much more for a barrel of oil. Where does the money go? To the person who owns the futures contract. We have a real shortage, and we have a commodities bubble. Unlike the dot com bubble, the housing bubble where people choose to finance their bubble by buying inflated stock or homes at inflated prices, this time we have to finance this bubble just by heating our homes or buying food or just being alive.

Obama is making noises about this. Hope something happens.
i do see where china or anyother countries oil demand has to do with our demand for gas, at first they blamed the refineries for not being big enough, to not enough to meet the demand. so which is it? or is it the real question: is the price of oil being placed on the western world because of the push for democracy in the middle east, making the kings and queens feel as if they are being pushed out of power? if it where me; i to would try to get as much as possible  if i saw trouble at my back door.
So blame on the 1.6 billion populations?  Does everyone in NY have a car?  People in most of the asia metropolis are rely on public transportation...  this is absurd...
Why not liquify some of our 5,000 year supply of coal (like the Germans did in WW2) and sell it to our thirsty friends to the east? Heck, why don't we use some of it ourselves? If we force the issue prematurely, world wide economic colapse may prevent the advances in technology that we need to shift to cleaner forms of transportation energy.
I have my smart car...
It's called a bike.  
Buy AMERICAN made products not the cheap junk thats made in china,india,taiwan,korea,mexico. If you support america instead of wal-mart the economy of this country will rebound. If you enjoy the lifestyles of the third world keep buying cheap "junk" they are already trying to get rid of us with their poisonous lead products. The dog food poison was just a trial run now they are doing their best to poison are children.  
Can anyone answer this...if fat cat oil execs didn't see this coming years ago - and prepare themselves and the nation for this event, then why are they earning millions of dollars?
America is a very wasteful country. In China as in many Asian countries, escalators only run when people step on  them. Stairs are only lighted when the sensors heard footsteps. These are low-tech ways to save energy, but nowhere to be found in America. I think the high oil price is good, to the extent it changes wasteful habits.
Yes Fred, blame the "Democrates", Idiot.
What did people expect from "Free Trade"..every dollar "saved" at Walmart..is two dollars spent at the gas station....this is a small planet..with China quickly becoming another America..at least economiclly it will only get worse..the U.S. is not serious about energy conservation anyway..over 600,000 people are allowed to legally emmigrate to the America every single year..most of them adults who need or feel they need a car...that's hundres of thousands of new car owners every year on top of our "natural" growth...kiss our first world status goodby!!
why are you blaming Democrates, last time Democrates were in the White House gas was $1.75!
When I taught environmental ed. in China I was dismayed to observe that almost every student in my classes (all of whom were environmental majors) expected to possess their own cars as soon as they graduated and got jobs.  There is a very alarming disconnect among the Chinese between their expected increasing standard of living and the consequences on the local and global environment.  While I sympathize with their desire to rise above their 20th century quality of life, their shortsightedness will do them harm sooner than most will admit. I expect that sometime in the very near future these people will find themselves in genuine confusion as to why they live in a complete wasteland of their own making.
Blame Democrats???? We have no idea what schemes were created in that still secret energy summit Cheney held 7 years ago.  For all we know, they set the goundwork for today's prices.  This is all way beyond a supply issue and everyone knows it.
blame republicans for not having a sensible energy policy
(who were in charge from 2000 to 2006)
SMART CARS??? They cost $2500.00 over there and $12000.00 + here......NOT SMART to me
CHINA, RUSSIA, USA,ENGLAND, FRANCE NEED TO JOIN UP AND TAKE OVER ALL THE LANDS OF ISLAM! NO OIL SHORTAGE!
Like it or not, oil will continue to rise, oil usage will continue to rise.  currently only about 1 in 250+ registered vehicles on the road is a hybrid, and beside, hybrids only provide an increase of 40% or so in gas efficiency.  (newer concept's like GM's Volt, are the ticket, with 100 mpg - 150mpg averages for the typical american.  

Even if we can increase the sales of hybrids by more than 50% a year, it will take almost 2 decades before half the vehicles are getting that extra 40% more efficiency.  And transportation only uses about 40% of all the oil.

But, the problem is - all hybrids are pretty much versions of our more efficient mid-sized sedans and compacts.   We need more efficiency in trucks, heavy equipment large machinery (mining, container loading, you pick it.  So far, all the hybrids haven't made even a tiny dent in reducing our demand.  maybe 0.01% or if generous: 0.02%.

Solutions - yes electric plug ins - hydrogen if it becomes practical, but right now, electric plug ins look like the best choice for the next 10-11 years, with whatever can do better than a 100 mpg plus average.  

Heavy trucks are interesting.  Lots of room, for lots of batteries. And battery weight less significant than with a car, since the nature of a truck is to haul many times it's own weight in goods, whereas cars typically carry only about 1/10th to 1/5th their weight.   If ever there was a an area where we can get improvement, how about commercial trucks going from 5 mpg (or whatever it is, to 4 - 5 times that mpg.  And - we have the technology, near term.  Imagine subsidies for new truck tractors - that pick up the difference in cost, if the new truck gets 4X the current averages...
If there is any common sense left in the world, the US and China will need to partner on how to share limited resources rather than go head to head. Americans can get used to a leaner lifestyle and probably 1.3 billion people don't all expect to drive SUVs. But we better start collaborating soon or both of our economies will be ruined!
The high gas price is probly the best thing that ever happened to America. Now maybe we'll be inclined to develop high speed trains, and high milage automobiles like the intelligent people in Europe. Perhaps too,Americans may even begin to dwell in smaller houses rather then high energy consuming  "Mac-Mansions".      
Last night on CSPAN, I listened to independent oil experts tell congress in a hearing, that if we pass some basic regulating legislation relating to oil speculation, the price of oil would come down to $60-$70 per barrel. Why are we not talking about that?
IN 1908 CARS HAD GASOLINE FUELD, PISTON POWERED ENGINES. IN 2008 CARS HAVE GASOLINE FUELD, PISTON POWERED ENGINES. THINK ABOUT IT.
At least a third of the rise in the price of oil is to due our depreciated dollar which, in turn is due to our increased national debt (doubled since Bush came into office). that in turn is due to Bush's borrow and spend policies and the Federal Reserve's loose money to accommodate Bush's irresponsible fiscal policies.
This is a idiotic conversation.But then agian we must be idiots because were still using gas and makin the oil companies rich.weres the freaken hydrogen,o wait its everywere.
Blame democrates-Pres. Carter put alternative energy
policies into play which Regan and crew dismantled.
Yes we should do more off shore drilling-Mexico & Cuba
are already putting platforms in "international" waters.  Why do we have wells shutdown or on lower
production?
We are in an dollar war over oil, the squeeze is put upon us daily, so we must react … FRD had the CCC corps during/end of WW11 Let us let our Energy Commission formulate the “USA Internal Oil Company. Yes if we have 68 million acre’s that nobody wants to explore let us do it…Lets build federal Refinaries...Let sell; it to the America people at cost plus ,10% …Now we cut tax’s, build new federal Highways. And on and on….Lets support ourselves rather than send our dollars abroad….…Once the oil barons saw we were going in business for ourselves and against them, just watch the price of oil drop…..
Fred in york, pa. 3:02pm - Sure, let's blame Congress.
However Congress has been controlled by Republicans for 7 of the last 8 years, not by Democrats.
Get to know your government a little better before starting to type.
As an American living and working in China one of my first impressions is how well the Chinese recycle paper and plastic. The 'trash-man' actually pays you for your trash. Individuals ride around on bicycle or hand-pushed carts banging on a plastic container to let the neighbors know they're about. Individuals bring out their collected plastic bottles, cardboard and other items. It is weighed and you are paid cash on the spot. The latest trend now is the restricted use of plastic grocery bags. While shopping at the local supermarket a few weeks back I was given a very nice 'green-bag' for free and was informed that the market was now charging a small fee for the plastic bags. Having been here now for well over a year, I have, as of yet, not used a clothes dryer. Many, if not all apartments have a sun-room or enclosed porch with a clothesline that can be raised and lowered. Also, the Chinese use very little hot water for clothes washing. The vast majority of apartment owners choose solar hot water heaters over electric. While most major cities are vast with large populations, there are no sprawling suburbs in China. Once out of the city, great expanses of farmland and natural terrain is all one sees, save for the very tiny farming hamlets which dot the landscape. In smaller cities, those with a population of a million or less, bicycles still out-number cars. There are also a great number of bicycle powered 'rickshaws' and motor scooters. Horse or mule drawn wagons are still very much in use, one can see them on a daily basis, side by side with the sleek new BMW's. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever seeing a school bus, students walk to their local schools in groups, sporting their individual school's uniform colors. In the large cities, traffic can be daunting, but no one really speeds, no one is driving much over 35-40mph and despite the apparent chaos of the traffic flow there are relatively few auto accidents, most being minor 'fender-benders'. So when Mark Mullen writes in the above article that the average Chinese citizen's consumption of energy is 1/6th that of a typical American, believe it to be so. Compared with China, Americans have a long way to go to be as 'green' as the average Chinese. Americans have too much, waste too much and feel it is their 'right' to continue to be the number one energy consumer on the planet. So as you stuff your face with fast food while talking on a cell phone speeding to the shopping mall at 85mph in your gas-guzzling SUV, I would like you all to remember the prophetic words of Will Rogers; "America, it will be the first nation in the world to drive itself to the poorhouse."  
Yep, we (the United States) were a developing country when global commodities were cheap. Here comes China in the new mellenia when there is an all out fight for narural resources. The interesting thing is that the United States is paying for all of this new expansionism by relying on China for cheap commodities. Who is to blame? As long as we depend on China for cheap products, we will continue to finance their need for oil. They are not suffering because we pay in excess of four dollars a gallon for gas, yet we infuse billions of dollars into their economy which they use to subsidize gasoline. When will we finally realize that the United States has to depend on our own workforce and pay a slightly higher price on our own manufacturing which in turn drives our economy saving us billions of dollars in the end? You can buy almost anything on the cheap at Wal-Mart from China, but, what is it costing you in the end? WAKE UP!!
i say blame the human race. we will never be able to satisfy our hunger. we can't we have to have something take away our ablilty to choose. until then our childrens chidren and mother nature are done. there are to many of us. we will be culled.
Why are we not all looking into the use of water for energy? Stan Meyer (RIP) mysteriously died and his technology disappeared after creating a car that runs on water. I wonder if Big Oil had anything to do with it? Do a search on his name and understand that the oil companies DO NOT want this technology to come about. Our government should be looking into this, but with Bush in office we won't see any inquiries. This guy had patents on his invention and his car disappearred afer he died (or was murdered). If this does come about, watch your water prices sky rocket and get heavily taxed...this should be a wake up call for every American...
Blame the "democrates" for not acting on energy legislation???  What planet has this guy been living on?


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