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Red Cross offers hope for Afghan families

Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:30 AM
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KABUL, Afghanistan – When Mirwali, 25, finally got the chance to talk to his 65-year-old father, who is held in the U.S.-run military prison at Bagram Airbase, outside of Kabul, he was so overcome with emotion he couldn’t speak. Mirwali covered his face with the long sash of grey silk hanging down from the wrap of his turban, held his head in his hands, and sobbed.

Their meeting wasn’t face-to-face, but rather via a video conference connection provided by the U.S. military and set up at the offices of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Kabul. The video conference program is a compromise between the U.S. military authorities and the Red Cross.

Each family call is limited to 20 minutes – but after many months, sometimes years, of no communication, it is better than nothing.

 "We consider this as a positive intermediary step between nothing and face-to-face visits," said Graziella Leite Piccolo, the spokeswoman for the Red Cross in Kabul. "We continue to pressure, to insist on the relevance of face-to-face visits," she said.

VIDEO: Mirwali, seen here, is driven to tears while speaking to his father via video conference
 
Red Cross connection
There have been more than 600 family video conference calls since the program started in January of this year – a lifeline for families who had lost all hope of ever seeing their loved ones again.   

Dozens of families turn up at the Red Cross offices in Kabul every Monday to wait their turn at the video booths provided by the U.S. military. 

The Red Cross does the legwork. The detainee writes the names of the family members he would like to come to Kabul to take part in the call. All names are then vetted by the Americans -- only family members; no friends. 

With the help of the Afghan Red Crescent Society, the family is then contacted – some live in the most remote and inaccessible parts of the country – travel expenses, food and lodging for the relatives are paid for by the Red Cross. Each family is assigned a specific date and time for their call and no more than five relatives are allowed in the booth.

Sometimes a detainee may not include a family member on their list of names because they fear the person may be too old, or too ill, to make the journey. But the family member may show up anyway, some so frail they can barely walk – refusing to miss the opportunity to talk to a loved one.

One old man – the deep furrows in his face framed by his white turban and long white beard – was barely able to stand, even with the help of his cane. He stood outside and watched through the glass window of the booth as his son’s image appeared on the TV screen inside. He cried and banged his head on the closed door, but only his other children sitting inside were able to take part in the call – his son had not put his name on the list.

Carol Grisanti/ NBC News
Relatives watch a video conference call between family members and prisoners at Bagram Airbase in Kabul from outside the secure booth.

Military incarceration
The U.S. military is holding between 600-650 detainees at the highly secretive Bagram detention center, which was opened in 2002. The authorities do not permit any information to leak out about who is incarcerated there – some have been high value targets in the war on terror. There are cases of detainees held without charges for as long as five years, according to human rights lawyers and the Red Cross.

Sometimes U.S. raids are triggered by bad intelligence or just bad tips that are based on local vendettas in this tribal society. The problem for U.S. and NATO forces is how can they tell what’s real from what is someone’s chance to finally settle an old score with a neighbor.

The U.S. military has recently established "enemy combatant review boards" that will examine every six months whether a detainee can be released. The prisoners cannot introduce outside testimony for their defense and have no access to independent lawyers.

Taken with no explanation
Mirwali, who like most Afghans goes by only one name, said his father is an elder in their village and often acted as an intermediary between the people and the local government to resolve differences and negotiate on issues. He was taken one night after U.S. forces raided their home. The family doesn’t know why.

"They came with their dogs and forced their way into our home firing their weapons," Mirwali said in an interview at the Red Cross office in Kabul. "Then they unleashed their dogs on two of my sisters." 

The U.S. military does not comment on the status of detainees. 

In the tribal culture of Afghanistan, there are strict rules – no one but immediate family members dare enter a home without first knocking and asking for permission.

Mirwali doesn’t understand why the Americans didn’t ask the local governor to bring his father in for questioning if they suspected him of some crime.   

"We are ordinary people," he said. "We are not linked to the Taliban. The Taliban come and destroy the roads and the schools that the government is trying to build. The government is trying to improve our life. The Taliban want to destroy all of that."

Mirwali explained that many people were not happy with the Taliban because they did not respect individuals and now they believe the Americans are doing the same thing.

Carol Grisanti/NBC News
A man speaks with his father, who is detained in the U.S. military prison at Bagram Airbase in Kabul, via a video conference call from the International Red Cross.

Reconnected, for a short time
When Mirwali finally got the chance to see his father, it took him a moment to regain his composure and then he asked, "How are you, father?"

He wanted to reassure him that no harm had come to the rest of the family as a result of his detention.

"Please believe me, father, we are all fine. If you are thinking something bad has happened to anyone of us, you are wrong, I swear to God. Father, father, please believe me," Mirwali pleaded with his father who was also crying.

Soon Mirwali’s 20 minutes were up; his father’s face abruptly disappeared from the screen and the line was cut. He put down the old-fashioned black telephone receiver and walked away –another family was waiting for their turn in the booth.

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10:05 AM, 21 May 2008, Toronto, Canada, 21.05.2008

No doubt the Senator from New York supports hard measures and "tough talking" as in the American primaries; but the conduct and behaviour towards prisoners-of-war (POW even in the Vietman War) is not dictated by politics and / or politicians. It is based on law, custom and standards of the American Army even recently as set forth by GENERAL(s) like MaCARTHUR of THE US ARMY and the traditions of the American people - NOT the standards of a nuclear reactor sales(wo)man from Europe and / or 'The Butcher(s) of Strasbourg' and those of their ilk. SALUTE ! VR: CASEAR BORGIA (US) (SAS): sa'ad*
Impement The FIRST AMENDMENT. 10:14 Hours, 21.05.2008.

VR: THE FRANKLIN(s): Sa'ad

I despise censorship as in some so-called "churches" and do not condone such theft, interception and delay in electronic communication - no more than theft of nuclear weapons, warheads from bins and silos in Canada
This is like one of those old movies that take place in old mexico or Turkey, never thought we would see it done by americans. Guilty till you can prove your innocence. You can not use proof, legal council, alibies or witnesses to defend yourself...sad day for democracy.
How is it possible to detain people with no charges for 5 years? How is that possible? Is the U.S. not accountable to uphold the same justice system for everyone? How is it possible that as the result of a telephone call or tip that a person can be incarcerated and held with no lawyer or chance to defend themselves? How is it possible that the world just sits idly by while the powers that be abuse and strip individuals of the very human rights they proclaim to defend? How is it possible that we have become so blind not to see the inhuman way these prisoners are being treated?
As Bush's incompetent handling of the Afghan war is unraveling.  We see the Red Cross as an example of compassion and dedication to help all those in need.  I only hope that al of us can one day have the courage to put a stop to this nonsense and do as the brave people working at the Red Cross and take this opportunity to show the world how we can make this world a better place.  PEACE!
It is strange that white people- Americans specifically, will not allow their own soldiers to be tried by foreign tribunals; even stranger that Americansccannot be EXTRADITED to foreign courts, but AMericans can hold other people - 16,000 miles away from America with impunity and without charge.

Never mind- all of us non-white peoples will one day have guns- and the American dogs will know a thing or two.

TYhey had better not come to my country.

William  
Action to release people who are not Taliban needs to happen.  Hope Mirwali's father can go home soon.
herewe go-why is it that we recently recieved a msnbc report that mr. karzai[afghan president]and family membershave ""salted away 10,s of milliond of aid money""?/all thewhile our men are fighting/dying??????????why hasnt mr.manley in canada[appointed special investigator for ourmission]had these people interrigated-located the stolen aid money/confiscated it/placed funds in treasury account for examination purposes?comment-what the hell!

Obama seems to be on the right track. While Afganistan is swallowed up in the enormous shadow that is the " Godzilla" of failure Iraq, Al-queda survives another day on the Afgani Steppes and drinks afternoon tea in Karachi. The BUSH regime throws billions on top of billions down the money pit (Iraq), not to mentioned the 100 of thousands innocent Iraqi men, woman and chidren that were murdered by our well meaning troops (most just following orders and trying to avoid collateral damage). Al-queda is loving our foray into Iraq, while we twiddle our thumps the rest of the world laughs at us (been abroad lately?, you will find out we are hated in the EU), hopefully Obama will sqaure things away and undo all the misery BUSH has created.
How can we as Americans condone such unjust action. When we are treated in anything like this manner we are outraged and consider such state treatment as abuse of the worst kind.  Why do we think it is evil if done by Cuba, Russia or North Korea but acceptable if done by ourselves?  God have mercy on us.
Let us hope that the next president will implement more rational policies that balance our legitimate security needs with respect for human rights.  Every time a person is imprisoned by U.S. forces without just cause and given no meaningful opportunity to defend himself, America loses a little more of its prestige and moral authority, and Americans are little bit less safe.
You act like these people have done nothing wrong. What about the families or the loved ones of the people that they may have been involved in Killing or brutalizing or some other horrid crimes. And you want the world to have sympathy for them. They are being held for a reason because they were involved at some point in time in something that they should not have been. They are now paying a price for that involvement. There dentention is like a picnic compared to the way they probably treat there prisoners. No sympathy for them here.

I agree with many, focus in on the Afgan situation, this is security that makes perfect sense (kudos to Barack Obama).

What the hell are we doing in Iraq anyways? Listen when the President had to lie to justify invading Iraq, the writting was on the wall-plus didn't Emperor Bush learn anything at his mothers feet (or Sunday School)-that is anything the begins with a lie is destined to fail.

Its simple BUSH, the bad guys are in Pakistan and Afganistan, by Patreaus's own numbers, only less than 3 percent of all violence in Iraq is caused by Al-Queda (and by his estmates less than 30 hardcore members are in Iraq-right now), so should'nt we be in Afganistan-can't wait till we can implement Baracks plan, and so happy BUSHES days are very numbered.

what the @#*! has happend to habeas corpus? every time i hear about secreat prisions, ordinary people being detained after the whole family wae abused and terrified by the good old U.S.A im more humiliated as we all should be!
President Bosh sure has founf a way to make these people love us Americans. Incarceration for yesrs with no charges, no lawyers, just set in prison forever. Way to go Georgie boy. What kind of monsters do a lot of these people think we are. Thank God this administration is coming to an end soon.May they all rot in hell. At 30% , even your own backers Are running away from you, quite sad, but true.
would they be able to hire some attorney from United States to Investigate these cases properly and put the intelegence on a side. Since some inocent people gets in trouble for nothing.

Why aren't we more focused on the Afganistan situaiton? And combating terrorism there, instead we arein Iraq, which is dragging the country down- thanks Bush-oh, and thank you for the high gas prices.

Great policy Bush, hold people without charging them, this is creating good will all through the Middle East, isn't it?
The comments so far are from people reacting to a very liberal story by very liberal media. I know it's sad that these people are being held, but they are probably being held for a reason. I know our government and its leaders make mistakes, but I don't think we're about tearing apart families. These people are being held for a reason.
How can we as Americans be respected when we behave in ways that we ourselves do not expect to be treated. Shame on us. What makes us think we are superior? I am astounded how slow and inconsiderate our government works. May God forgive and change those who do not have compassion for every soul.
We are at war with these people right? They did set up terrorist camps right? They are the largest producers of opium in the world right? Not we are to care that some guy is upset because he can't see his father? WRONG!!!! We would not even be there if they could take care of things in the first place.
Considering none of you know what actually happened to Mirwali, his family, and what his father was or was not involved in; it's sad that you are so quick to believe his version of the story, as represented by our media, rather than the leaders of our military who are battling on the ground in Afghanistan.  
NOT GOOD-AMERICA NEEDS TO FIX THESE ISSUES FAST
BECAUSE IF THIS HAPPEDED IN AMERICA I WOULD FIGHT TO THE DEATH.(GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH)
Lets just hope that our policies don't end up creating more terrorists out of disgruntled innocents and their families due to a lack of understanding of a different culture
That is not Mirwali's cry. It is our's cry that the forefather of this country safed us for the last three hundred years, Bush ruin it in seven years. Now we can not walk stand head among nations.
What we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq is going to haunt is in the decades to come.  We believe you are innocent until proven guilty, but this is only if you are an American in America not if you are anyone else anywhere else.  What hypocrites we are and how can we represent to the world we are people of dignity and pride.......this administration has befaced all of us with their action and continued injustice in the world.
Typical of America.  Make and break whatever rules we wish.  I feel ashamed that I'm an American when I hear of unjust actions like these.  And some people still wonder why other countries wish to do harm to us?  
Glad you saps are so quick to declare innocence to someone based on a short article with no facts. I believe in the dececy of the US Governments treatment of detainees.
    The issue is given the intelligence that our military has is this the proper way to address these combatants.  I think it is.  Only people whose lives are not on the line would think to criticize the military or the president for conducting an ongoing war that saves lives.
Sounds like my country - the US - is going about this all wrong. I hope someone up top takes a serious look at this BEFORE the next election.
After looking at this, I pray to God for 1-20-09, the Bush admistrations last day in office. I hope they bring him to a world court and punish him and everyone connected to this cruel and unjust punnishment, this is truly a sad and disgraceful time for America, I just hope the next president will right this wrong, and send these people home to their familys.
Simply racist bigotry.  And the US for example in Sri Lanka, preaches about similar violations by Sri Lankan armed forces adn the government. It is heights of hypocrisy for Robert O Blake to preach to Sri Lanka when the  US is committing such outrages.  
USA has turned to be just like Russia used to be. It has no respect for human rights. Bush being a sociopath, it is no surprised. This government does not care for its own people how could it care for the people of other countries?
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If as some of bleading harts want and these people are released and later caputure in a gun fight where American or Canadian are killed will they be willing to stand trial as accomplis to murder.
 
Reading about Mirwali's father's situation only confirms what most American citizens already know.. it's time for change in our government and I believe that change will come if we elect Obama as our next President. Hillary Clinton will only allow Gitmo and Bargram and similar camps in Iraq to be maintained. This sort of inhumane treatment and neglect for basic human rights has to stop...I'm embarrassed to be an American citizen when this is how our country treats people around the world.
I find it a sad situation for the United States, standing on the platform of democracy, to enforce such acts of injustice. How can we ever improve our foreign relations with with Afghanistan and other countries dealing with the same issues if we are partly to blame in this?
And where is your story about the family members of American servicemen and women who will NEVER see or speak to their loved one again because Mirwali's father might have planted an IED somewhere - No harm no foul I guess
How about a story about the family of a heroin addict in the U.S. doomed to living death because Milawi's father might grow opium - Same deal.
Your "report" is useless journalism because you rely on only one source - this family, and you take them at their word.
This is WAR, cutie, and bad things happen to good and bad people.
As horrible as this method of detention may seem, it can be a difficult thing to seperate innocent and guilty in Afghanistan.  It is a society hard for Americans to understand, with tribal and ethnic links that are outside our cultural understanding.  Often tribal groups with no direct link to the Taliban will accept money to conduct attacks on Americans.  Sometimes tribal leaders feel the need to cooperate with both sides in the war.  Sometimes a true Taliban sympathizer will simply hide behind lies, as the U.S. authorities have no photographic means to identify them.  It is a tough situation all around, but having served on Bagram Airbase when three enemy combatants managed to escape from the detention center, I personally understand the need for security.  I wish it could be better, but a guerilla war is not a normal part of society and it is unfair to compare our actions to those of a normal society.  
I think Nikka Ziemer said it best. May God have mercy on us.
Just because the guy says his father wasn't Taliban doesn't mean it's true.  And there are many reasons other that being Taliban that can get you locked up. People who are not considered a threat are released.  I know, I used to work there.
Those of you who write in these comments about how bad the US is for its treatment of these detainees should just move to Afghanistan. If it's so bad here why are you staying?. You all have NO concept about what these detainees have done yet you automatically blame the US Govt. for alleged atrocities.

For all of you ignorant people here's a little clue for you. The US legal system isn't in play during war. It only works in the US for criminal activity. It doesn't apply to war criminals or POWs.

I believe that the military knows more then you or I do about what these people have been up to. Until this war is over the detainees can stay in prison. They should be thankful that they're alive and allowed to visit their families by phone.  

War is hell, always has been and always will be. That being said, I have no sympathy for the islamists that think the US should be detroyed. Or for any of you who blame the US Military or Govt.
Why can't we find out who in the bureaucracy is setting these kinds of situations where people are being incarcerated (and worse) without due process? Is it our military that is creating these immoral jails? I agree with James Toney; imprisonment under these circumstances undermines our cause. We become the Taliban.
It apalling to me that our "war on terrorism" means spitting in the face of compassion and adopting the moral lowroad as business-as-usual. Thank God that at least the Red Cross is there to prove to a few of these people that not all Americans should be hated for what we're capable of.
"Then they unleashed their dogs on two of my sisters"
When I read this quote he lost all credibility, and so did the article.

We must return to focusing our energy on being a moral lighthouse to the world. I have spent the last year living in London, the EU economy is on fire, along with the Middle East, China and India, folks the world does not need us anymore-we need them-face the facts.

There is such a dour attiude concerning the United States worldwide, we are vey much hated and can you honestly, really blame other people, when we are guilty of human rights violations-locking people up, without charging them, makes me want to throw up. I agree, so very glad BUSH/CHENNEY/RICE's days are numbered.
My thoughts-

I agree that many of these prisoners may indeed be terrorists who have committed tremendous crimes, and that they deserve no sympathy. Never the less, they deserve DUE PROCESS. Nazi leaders, KKK terrorists, organized crime bosses, and serial killers (all people who don't deserve sympathy) still were afforded the right to independent counsel, the right to haebeus corpus, the right to a fair and speedy trial, the right to be judged by a jury of their peers, and the right to deciline to testify against yourself (this is where torture comes in). America is supposed to be the last, best, and greatest hope for humanity. Our treatment of these detainees tarnishes that image. How can we spread the joys of liberty and democracy if we ignore some of its most basic principles?
Why do so many of the people who oppose this treatment quote "due process" or habius corpus or the rights violations commited by nations against their own citizens???  This is a war.  These are prisoners of war.  Their treatment is dictated by articles of war... not the U.S. Constitution.  Not U.S. civil law, and not by the rights and privileges granted to American citizens and potected by her men and women in uniform!  American citizens due have rights other countries don't, and other countries do treat their own citizens worse than the U.S.  And the U.S. does treat the vast majority of detainees with far more dignity and restraint than is granted U.S. citizes and soldiers captured by our enemies in this war.  This isn't a civil rights issue, stop treating it like one!
Those of you outraged by the treatment of the known Taliban or Taliban suspects in US custody, I invite you to watch the recent film "Osama", written by an Afghani and filmed in Afghanistan.

Mercy, justice, humanity--and evil--are relevant qualities.
The only problem I have, and it is a BIG one, is that the prisoners have NO recourse to prove weather they should be held. I have NO faith in Bush, his incompetence in making the right decision on almost any subject is in question.......... and I voted for him TWICE (i humbly say i am sorry). His thinking that even American citizens can be jailed, without court redress, is NAZI at the core. I can not see myself voting Republican ever again. He has turned me into a disenchanted voter. He is not bright enough to understand the consequences of his actions. The proof IS the consequences of his actions.
How long will we let this Assh**e "President" represent us around the world.  I understand Impeaching him would paralize the government. - But it is common knowledge this drug addict alcoholic has no business running the country.  Republicans need to grow a set and dethrone this DICKtator we call our president and save this country God knows these whimpy Democrats won't do it.


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