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As Israelis celebrate, Palestinians mourn

Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:35 AM
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JERUSALEM – Women screaming and children trying to escape a village on fire.

These are just two of the images that two Palestinian sisters, Fatima and Zeinab Jaber, 65 and 71, live with from an event they witnessed 60 years ago.

They are haunted, too, by the memory of their mother, Nuzah, who they recall crying as she rushed members of their family to safety.

And they are their last recollections of their home, the village of Deir Yassin, as it was being overrun and destroyed by armed Jewish militant groups.

VIDEO: Palestinians mark 'the catastrophe'

The attack on Deir Yassin in April 1948 is one of the most well-documented in a series of expulsions the former British Mandate of Palestine that led up to the foundation of Israel – an episode that Palestinian recall bitterly as "Nakba" ("the Catastrophe").

So while Israelis are celebrating 60 years of independence on May 14, many Palestinians will be commemorating what they call "Catastrophe Day" on May 15 – an annual day of remembrance for the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who were displaced as Israel was being born.

‘I still hear my brother's voice screaming’
As a result of fighting leading up to Israel’s declaration of independence and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, approximately 700,000 Palestinians were forced off their land. They were either expelled by the Haganah, a military force which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), and other paramilitary groups, or they fled under the threat of more violence.

Up to 418 Arab villages in Palestine were taken over by Israelis during the period, and the massacre at Deir Yassin is remembered as one of the most brutal episodes of the time. 

"I still hear my brother's voice screaming before they killed him, my grandmother was begging them to leave him alone," said Fatima Jaber, while her sister nodded in silent agreement during a recent interview. (Fatima married, but kept her family name). They now live in a tiny house in Beit Hanina, a predominantly Arab neighborhood in East Jerusalem.

"We lost all our family. The Jews killed my father, grandmother and my brother before we ran away with my mother that day. After a while we knew that 47 relatives were killed," said Zeinab, as she started crying like a child. "My brother was about to get married the same week.  He was 22 years old. [Now] we are living alone without any family."

The Deir Yassin village was located in the hills next to the Jewish neighborhood of Givat Shaul, on the outskirts of what is now West Jerusalem. There are various accounts of what happened in Deir Yassin, but there is agreement on the essentials – that two underground Jewish paramilitary groups, the Lehi and the Irgun – the latter by headed by Menachem Begin, a future Israeli prime minister – attacked the village on April 9, 1948. 

According to most reliable reports, a force of 132 men from these units killed between 107-120 villagers – including men, women and children. (For years the death toll was cited as 254, but Bir Zeit University, a prominent Arab university on the West Bank, published a comprehensive study in 1987 and found that the death toll did not exceed 120).  

Image: Palestinians mark 60th anniversary of Deir Yassin attack
Palestinian relatives of residents of the Arab village of Deir Yassin stand over plaques listing the names of more than 100 people killed by pre-state Israeli paramilitary groups as they mark the 60th anniversary of the attack on April 10, 2008.

Campaign of terror
The massacre is considered by many historians to be part of a strategy to terrify the Palestinian populations enough so that they would leave their homes and land, thus enabling them to be occupied by Jews.

Benny Morris, an Israeli historian who has written extensively about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his books "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-49," first published in 1988, and this year’s "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War," has documented  at least 24 massacres, including Deir Hassin, committed by Israeli forces against Palestinians between 1947-49. 

Fatima and Zeinab say that Deir Yassin left their mother a broken woman. "She kept crying until she died. She was only 45 years old," said Fatima. "I will never forget it. She was missing my father and brother all the time. The memories killed her."

David Ben-Gurion, Israel's founding father, noted that the Deir Yassin massacre was a trigger for other evacuations of Palestinians, without which the Israeli state could not have been born. "I support compulsory transfer," he insisted at the time. "I don't see in it anything immoral," Ben-Gurion is quoted as saying in Morris' book "Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001." In the Arab world, though, the perception hardened that the birth of Israel came at the expense of the Palestinian refugee problem.

Refugee problem persists
Today, according to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), at least 5 million Palestinians and their descendants are registered as refugees. The figure includes hundreds of thousands who became refugees as a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, when Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. As refugees, those living in other countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, are not recognized as citizens and have few rights, despite living there for decades. In effect they are stateless unless and until a Palestinian state is created.

The fate of the Jaber family is typical of many Palestinians. They lived in Jordan for two years, then moved to Jericho and after five years moved to Jerusalem, when the sisters’ mother wanted to be close to what was once their home.

Many have given up hope of returning to the homes they lost in 1948; instead, they watch with bitterness and sadness the celebrations for Israel's 60 years of statehood, which they feel came at their expense.

"I feel ashamed to be a refugee," said Zeinab. "Three months ago we went to Deir Yassin; our house is used as a storage place for hospital workers. I want my family house back," she said.

And as the U.S. struggles to keep Israel and the Palestinian Authority committed to making an arrangement that will lead to the creation of a two-nation state, it is the plight of the refugees – most particularly, whether they should be allowed to return to their original homes or what is sufficient compensation – that still proves to be one of the biggest obstacles for a lasting peace.

"How can Israel celebrate when we still have this refugee problem?" said Fatima, who is the mother of 11 children.

"They created it, and now it's worse. This is the question my children are now asking."

Lawahez Jabiri is an NBC News Producer based in the Tel Aviv bureau.  

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"i support compulsory transfer,i don't in it see anything immoral"david ben-gurion you shocked me with your insensitivity and cruelty towards human life.hundreds & thousands of people killed.millions are refugees since but the founding father spoke for his nation.no wonder people want to blow themselves on you.this barbaric cruelty and shamelessness thats what makes up a nation named "isreal".BIGGEST HUMAN RIGHTS VOILATORS OF THE MODERN WORLD AND THEN THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE IN THEM.as an american i can't see why we should attach our names to them.
Arabs have to take responsibility for the rather minor refugee problem they created by urging the so-called Palestinians to fight Israel. Arabs have plenty of land and resources to take care of their own but choose not to help, instead creating an angry group of terrorists willing to blame Israel for all of their problems which are in fact caused by the Arab neglect.
first things first there has never been a palestine (the palestinians are arabs)  and arabs have their own countries and secondly they were never "forced off their land"  the arab countries  said they would murder and drive the jews into the sea and told the arabs living in Israel to relocate until their plans were complete  this was just another "final solution"  against the jewish peoples   the world will never learn  leave the jewish people alone  YHWH bless Israel and keep Her and Her people (the jews) safe
david ben-gurion,here we call it preconcieved murders or genocide.you call it "compulsory transfer"and see no evil in it.only God knows where you are gonna go with that.
An article you published today,when Israel celebrates the 60th Aniversary, is  just  d i s g u s t i n g.
Actually arabs atacked newborn Israel next day after
his creation, and they were doing that since May '48
during all that 60 years. In spite all of that, those bloody trubble years were enough for Israelites to turn bare desert they got to the blooming oasis and create the only on Middle East really civilized country. And they saved lives of the hundreds thousands arabs by giving them a job and place to live in Jewish State. And all those years so-called palestinians continue to live in their desert, doing nothing but hating and atacking Israel... Insted of
your article about suffer palestinian's  it could be published a hundred memories of suffering israelites about their innochent victims who were killed
by the wild suiside-bobmers... I'm not a Jew, but I
want to say today out of my heart: Happy Birthday Israel!Long Life to you! Mazel Tov!
P.S. I have to think about the breaking with MSN...
What about the Israeli's that lived there before the Palestinians? How do you think the Israel's felt when Rome conquered them and after the fall of Rome instead of getting their land back the Palestinians took it? Shame on the media for being bias against Israel and not reporting it's suffering!  
The cries of the children of Palestine who have suffered for years should be heard by the world. The United States should get serious about the creation of a Palestine state and end this suffering instead of openly being biased towards Israel. Palestines have suffered for long under Israels oppression! The USA should act now from an honest platform.
This is a very Sad. The only reason Isreal gained this land was because of terriost attacks but when the palastinians do this they are considered animals. I am against Terriost but someone needs to step in and stop this. This land was aquired by murder! Why dont the USA step in and do something. Oh thats right thats how The USA was established..and FYI I was born and raised in the USA
How can the anyone living on this land feel like they deserve to be there when they forced the same level of atrocities on these villagers that they had to go through throughout history.  When will we all figure it out that we have to find a way to live together and forget our differences as neighbors.  None of us are 100% correct in our beliefs because we are human and to err is to be human.  God loves us all whether you believe in Jehova, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, Zues, or the many other names God has.  I mourn for those who died in 1948 as well as all who have died before or after because of these horrible actions that governments have decided to take.  May God be with us all and lead us to a more peaceful Earth.
"Armed Jewish militant groups"--that phrase in this pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli piece ires me.  Sixty years ago, "armed Arab militants" (armed by Europeans in part) were doing their best to destroy the emerging Jewish state--and its inhabitants. And, horror of horrors, the Jews fought for their land. It's the same old tired approach. I guess it's ok for us to mourn 6,000,000 Jews who died doing nothing to defend themselves, but if they do anything other than be victims, they becomes crazed militant neo-fascists who deserve our scorn. Shame on you for perpetuating this double standard.
There could just as easily been a state of Palestine also celebrating it's 60th birthday on the same date but that is not the path they chose.
this is truely a sad day for the Palestinians!!
While our idiotic & warmonger Bush bestows Israel with congratulatory statements, Israel continue to built more Jewish only settlements contrary to the so called “Road Map” Bush stated that a Palestinian state cannot look like Swiss cheese, but what has he done to prevent from happening? NOTHING!!
He is a spineless politician just like all politicians that are under the thumb of AIPAC and other pro Israel lobbyist.
Our foreign policy needs to reflect the value of the American people that desire a just and equitable solution to a people that has been under a oppressive occupation for over 40 years.
Let us live in the present, and not the past. Just as whites today are not responsible for slavery in the U.S. two hundred years ago, let's focus on the here and now rather than attack dead people for their ideology. Everyone is wrong, and everyone is right. Because religion is ultimately at the root of this conflict, it will never be resolved peacefully. Even if the Palestinians get their own state, will the land be enough? Probably not, because they have a right to the land as much as jews, muslims and christians.
There appears to be a concerted effort to continually find fault with Israel where the woes of the "Palestinians" are concerned. Aren't there any "informed" individuals out there?  When will the blinders be removed so that the plight of the Palestinians may be seen for what it really is. Yes, these people are suffering but at the hands of their own leaders and the people's willingness to accept it.
There is NO SUCH THING as a Palestinian!  Media bias crap!  They are Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, etc. Arabs who lived on the land AFTER it was taken from the Jews in the first place.  Palestine is a knockoff of a Hebrew word for Philistine.  Remember david and Goliath??  Just ONE of the many different tribes in the region in and around 135 A.D.  This article was written by a Muslim Arab if anyone would happen to look at the author.  This issue is an excuse the Muslims use to attack the Jews.  The Arabs use the Palestine/Israel issue to try and keep the focus away from their own atrocities.  Muslims kill, rape, maim BEHEAD innicents all the time and then wail about crimes when someone retaliates against them.  Muslims are responsible for more murders/deaths than the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition, the US death penalty, and the IRA conflict all combined!  Cut the antisemitic crap and face the truth - islam is a scourge on the earth and will either conquer it or destroy it.  Unless the world wakes up and stops it's spread.  Will MSMBC dare to post this blog???
Johnny Doe - what about the Canaanites that lived in the land before the ancient Israelites ever arrived? How did they feel when the Israelites came and slaughtered almost all of them, including women and children? Instead of getting their land back, the Israelites took them. Shame on you for supporting ethnic cleansing as a means to create a state!
Yes, there was some bad stuff by Israelis, but remember who started the war and did tons worse, the Palestinial terror groups. Even today, the biggest recievers of foreign aid are the Palestinians, none of that stuff goes to schools, power grid or water or sewer systems, just to rockets bombs and more killing. The terror groups run their society and I feel very sorry for them. If they learned to live with the Israelis it would be better for everyone.

As for the one who said Israelis were the worst himan rights violators in history you need to look up Maalot, where Israeli school kids were massacred by palestinian terrorists.    
Your anti-Israel bias is transparent.  Many of the supposed "facts" you report are simply wrong.  Fiction.  Blood libels.  (You'll probably tell us the Jews were behind Pearl Harbor and 9/11 too.)  In fact, the vast majority of Arabs who left did so voluntarily in concert with invading Arab armies openly bent on murdering the Jewish population.  By any measure, the overall behavior of the Arabs was far worse than the behavior of the Jews, and the Jews were fighting for their lives.  If you want to understand the real history, check out Oxford historian Ephraim Karsh and other reputable, credible sources.  Your defaming lies about Jews are inexcusable.
God said he will bless those who bless Israel.  Human suffering is a terrible shame but the TRUE facts are the arabs will not rest until Israel is destroyed. Where is the sympathy for Israel? Any compromise with the PA will only lead to another compromise until Israel no longer exists. The US needs to take a much harsher stance against the PA and stick with our "no compromise with terrorist" stance.  The day Israel once again became a nation is indeed a great day.  God bless America and God bless Israel.
In the past 6 years,, Israel's six million citizens have suffered 12,480 terrorist attacks. They have buried more than 400 victims -- a per-capita death toll six times that of America on September 11.



Yet, in an abhorrent act of injustice, Israel continues to be pressured by many into making concessions to fatah & hamas , the arch-patron of those terror attacks. In the long run, this means that Israel is being pressured into sacrificing its basic right to exist.

We should be supporting Israel's right to take whatever military action is needed to defend itself against its nihilistic enemies. Morally and militarily, Israel is America's frontline in the war on terrorism. If America is swayed by fatah & hamas latest empty rhetoric, and allows him to continue threatening Israel, our own campaign against terrorism becomes sheer hypocrisy and will, ultimately, fail.

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Consider the facts and judge for yourself:

Since its founding, Israel has been the victim
Since its founding in 1948, Israel has had to fight five wars -- all in self-defense -- against 22 hostile Arab dictatorships, and has been repeatedly attacked by Palestinian terrorists. Arafat is responsible for the kidnapping and murder of Israeli schoolchildren, the hijacking of airliners and the car bombings and death-squad killings of thousands of Israeli, American, Lebanese and Palestinian civilians. Today he ardently sponsors such terror groups as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al Aksa Brigade.

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The Palestinians want to annihilate Israel, while Israel wants simply to be left alone. If there is a moral failing on Israel's part, it consists of its reluctance to take stronger military measures. If it is right for America to bomb al-Qaida strongholds in Afghanistan -- and it is -- then it is equally justifiable for Israel to bomb the terrorist strongholds in the occupied territories of judea and samaria.


Israel is the only free country in a region dominated by Arab monarchies, theocracies and dictatorships. It is only the citizens of Israel -- Arabs and Jews alike -- who enjoy the right to express their views, to criticize their government, to form political parties, to publish private newspapers, to hold free elections. When Arab authorities deny the most basic freedoms to their own people, it is obscene for them to start claiming that Israel is violating the Palestinians' rights. All Arab citizens who are genuinely concerned with human rights should, as their very first action, seek to oust their own despotic rulers and adopt the type of free society that characterizes Israel.

Absolute one-sided crap masquerading as journalism.  Our intrepid reporter appears to employ facts in a highly selective manner.  Anyone know what happened that day in the streets of Hebron in August 1929?  Hint:  There was a terrible massacre by Arabs against dozens of Jewish settlers, one of several terror attacks against Jews carried out prior to 1948.  Given Mr. Jabiri's last name, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out why he writes as he does.
We, the United States, should extricate ourselves from this mess. We should not get involved in other people's civil wars.
The USA should not do anything for any foreign state any more.  We've helped in the past, we help now.  What do we get for it?  A 'thanks' from a barely stable government leader, and death threats from the citizens.  
News reports of every innocent casualty caused by our presence.  The rest of the world believes our presence to be oppressive.
So, no, the USA should not do anything.  
Congrats on surviving 60 years, keep it up, but do so at your own expense.  Don't depend on others to step in forever.
It's refreshing to see the support for Isreal in the comments above. Isreal has sought peace for decades. They've been incredibly, even unreasonably restrained, amidst the violence of the Arabs. Any time they try to give their enemy land or provisions in return for peace, the Arabs return the favor by lobbing rockets and killing the innocent.
Why arent there articles posted about the Jewish refugees from Arab lands and the killing and problems they had?  There were equal in number and suffered many deaths.  The reason we dont hear about them is that Israel solved the refugee "problem" by absorbing them, something the Arab nations have not and will not do because the Arab nations view them as pawns in a political battle.
Interesting, forcibly moving people off their land, exterminating innocent people of a given creed or race regardless, sounds awfully familiar to Germany 1942, no?
It saddens me to see, that after so many years the world does not see and understand how much hatred radical muslims (not all muslims) have towards the western world.  Over the past 60 years, Israel provides schools, hospitals, electricity, water for people who wish for it's destruction.  Show me one country around the world that helps a nation of people who constantly attack and wish to destroy.  If Israel wanted to hurt and destroy they would have randomly shot and killed people like Hamas does.  That is not the case.  Israel, b/c of the history of it's people has always been about human rights and taking care of people.  The hatred of the world has only made jewish people feel stronger about who they are. Did Israel ever try to bomb a school? a hospital?   Check out the facts and picture Americans living in fear w/ in the boundries of our country b/c a minority group terrors the general public.  
Shame on you.  Israel was there for the jews.
It was time to take it back.  G-d gave them back
what belonged to them.  They suffered enough after
WW2.  Don't compare to what terriost was then to today.  There was a couple of hunderd jews against
thousand of arabs.  How could the arabs lose.
They in return would have slaughtered the jews and
did many.  You only half the story.
The jews did not want to kill them.  They brought it
on themselves.
G-l bless the jews.  I am jewish and come from
holocaust survivors.  I am proud that the jews
got their country back.

Leo Elkin must be high! Arabs told the palastinians to leave? Wrong. Look at the number, maybe 300 jews have been killed since 2000 from terrorist attacks. At least a million palastinians were killed since then.

Its almost not worth commenting on because those who support Isreal are blind and are nothing short of hypocrits. The sad truth is that any critisism of Isreal, including Jimmy Carter, is not allowed. IF you read the news every day we hear about Isrealis plowing over and expanding new settlements in the west bank and then complain about rockets and suicide bombings. I hate to say it but its no wonder that they are the most hated people on earth and were almost exterminated

To me its simple just allow the palistinians the same weapons, and support that we give Isreal and let the winner take all. If the jews are God's Chosen People than they should have victory. If Allah is the real god then the palastinians will have their land. Maybe then some people will realize that God doesn't need your help. If after all he is god so why would he need help?
Shame on Israel and the United States for continuing the illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and perpetuating the suffering of the Palestinian people.  What irony, the victims of the Holocaust being responsible for such a humanatarian injustice!!!
Shame! Shame! Shame!
I can't believe how such one sided story gets posted by MSN... While any war brings the worst in all the sides involved, it's absolutely crazy to accuse Israelis of genocide. I think the author of this story should check all the facts (but then again, I think he already knows them) and stick to writing news instead of his meaningless, bitter, one-sided, pro-arab “fairy tale”.
"BIGGEST HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS OF THE MODERN WORLD AND THEN THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE IN THEM." Thank-you "shocked", it's about time someone said what so many of us are thinking. It sickens me the way the US quietly takes Israel's side. The Jewish people suffered greatly during WW2, unfathomable atrocities. So wouldn't you think they would want to show themselves as the most compassionate, caring people who understand what it's like to feel their people have no home?
Tasha Frank,

All nations are born of bloodshed. It's a reality. Live with it.
AMERICANS STOLE THEIR LAND FROM THE INDIANS, THE ENGLISH INVADED IRELAND AND SAID, "YOU CAN STAY, BUT IT'S OUR LAND NOW AND YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT WE SAY."  SO HOW CAN WE CRITICIZE THE PALESTINIANS WHO FEEL THE UN IGNORED THEM IN 1948?
While Isreal would like EVERYONE in the world to apoligize to them for all wrongs against Jews  they will never Apoligize to anyone for their actions In 1948 THEY were considered as TERROIST  (Live by the sword DIE by the sword) Accept the blame let the palistians get on with their State
This is one of the most biased pieces I have ever read and most of you have no idea what you are talking about.  The author appears to be just as knowledgeable as the bulk of you.  Apparently the historical record only dates back to 1948 now, how convenient for the Palestinians.  
Israel has suffered, there is no question about that, but does Israel past suffering is enough reason to make others suffer now? Empires fall from within, we have not seen the end of the story, I just wish we realized we should be dealing with way larger challenges and ventures, (space exploration, genomics, etc.) rather than killing us like barbarians.
This is the last straw for me. On the day Isreal, a burgeoning example of democratic succes, which has succeeded in the middle of this palestinian cesspool of terror for the last 60 years, celebrated its anniversary, you bring us this garbage. Once again, only telling one side of the story. And written by an arab journalist! Outrageous. Coupled with MSNBC's incredible obama-bias (who has also supported palestinian terror during his days in Chicago), I will no longer watch MSNBC, nor will I browse this website.
We all must remember that the Jewish nation once occupied this territory and was conquered by the Romans. For close to two thousand years, the jewish people suffered on the face of the earth, scattered over yhe whole world. It is logical that one day, this great people, with great historical background would come back home as it were even before they were conquered by the Romans. Those who occupied their land while they were in the wilderness of sorrow should have known that, Jehovah, the Almighty God will forgive Isreal its sin and bring him back home. When he come back home, woe shall surely betide who has occupied his home.
There is no sentiment about being killed or made to suffer as a result of the return of Isreal to the  land that God promised him thousands of years ago.
Long live Isrea, long live Jerusalem, the City of David.
God bless his first love Isreal and Christian all over the world His new love


I'm right, you're wrong.  You're right, I'm wrong.  I'm good, you're bad.  Not exactly the makings of a constructive dialogue, is it?  Speaking as the Jewish son of an Israeli mother who grew up pre-State of Israel, going to university in West Jerusalem (because Jews weren't permitted in the East and their shrines were systematically desecrated), who dodged bullets on the way to school which came from the top of the wall of the old city, and who heard those famous radio broadcasts from Egypt urging the Arab residents to leave so the Jews could be driven into the sea (how's that for a run on sentence), I would be foolish to declare that her experience is the only one.  I'm sure many were violently expelled from their homes as well.  Bad was done on all sides.  As stated by someone else earlier, Jews were granted tiny slivers of land by the U.N., but the Arab nations wouldn't have it and attacked.  The Jews were ready to live in the pittens they'd been granted but to Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc., one Jew was too much.  You really think they were worried about so called Palestinians?  If they really cared about they, they would have assimilated them into their countries instead of keeping them penned in hopeless refugee camps.  Listen, I'm the guy whose less open-minded friends think he's the self hating Jew because he believes that the settlements are simply wrong and the checkpoints are dehumanizing and beneath the type of country Israel is supposed to be.  I welcome a Palestinian State.  However, can we please give the Israel-Bad Palestinians-Good thing a rest please.  For most of it's history, Israel has had to endure actively hostile enemies bent on it's destruction on every border.  1967 happened because of an Egyptian and Syrian buildup in preparation for pre-emptive war aimed at the ending of Israel.  That's Israel's fault, for winning that war?  How about we decide everyone involved is a human being deserving of respect.  How about Egypt stop airing anti-Semitic mini-series' on TV.  How about Israel soldiers not treat Palestinians at checkpoints like vermin.  How about Hamas stop purposefully and premeditately targeting civilians - children, elderly, etc. as though there could ever be any moral justification for that.  How about Israeli governments stop making agreements to stop building settlements and then build some more.  Need I go on.  There's enough blame to go around which means there's enough opportunity for settlement as well.  Let's start from that.
It is what it is. Israel is on the land, Israel has paid for it in blood sweat and tears. And the land should remain theirs. If the Arab people who lived there did so in a peaceful manner, they would still be living there. Unfortunatly the reasons for them to constantly be fighting are many and can not be resolved in a peaceful manner. It will never change.
I try to look at this picture as a whole. Therefore one must not simply look at a single battle or event, and take in the entire historical perspective.
This current fighting, is a part of a single longterm neverending Arab vendetta against Israel.
The arabs make no mistake, proudly proclaiming the total genocidal destruction of all jews. I have never heard of anything so hidious coming from the jewish state.
In EVERY high profile media event, the arab side is ALLWAYS distorting the facts, allways putting Israel down. They have no concept of what it would be like to simply form thier own Palestinian state. Instead they mill around in poverty, asking for aid, while thier leaders steal all of thier developement monies.
Like Arafat, and his wife.
What ever happened to the building of thier own nation?
The world has helped them over and over, but they want to destroy Israel first, and have it all.
It allways comes down to the dome on the rock.
This is what all the fighting is over. The site of the ancient Jewish temple.
The world body decided that they want Israel to exist as a nation in 1948, largly due to Albert Einstien.
The foolish arabs, unable to see anything beyond jewish genocide, have decided to neglect thier own people, and make as ugly a scenerio as humanly possible, in vain attempts to make Israel look like the perpetraitors. These people(refugees) could go anywhere in the world if they wanted to, as many have.
I thank God I wasnt born a muslim! I would have to be so miserable with myself, I might want to strap a bomb belt on and commit suicide by inflicting destruction on hardworking virtuous people.
My message to palestinian refugees is this: GET A LIFE!
Isreal fights for its right to exist. Arabs live to destroy Israel.( and all that is not arab) Remember Constantinople, 9-11.
Palestine has never existed. England formed the palestinian authority, not arabs. Palestine could exist, if the arab refugees wanted peace. They would be wise to build thier state, and maybe then attack Israel...But like history shows over and over, the muslim arabs are so violent, and disagreeing, that they prove to be thier own worst enemy.
Thats the problem with thinking that you are Gods special creation.....they think they are entitled to Israel.

You know what, Jews?  God made Arabs too.  You are no more or less special than anyone else He made.
I can't believe that the holocaust is still being used by some to justify the killing of Palestinians, " oh they suffered a lot, God has given them the land, let them kill whoever needs to be killed", this is plain terrorism.
I think this is wonderful, that Isreal actually exits today! God gave this land to Abraham, and he has protected the remnant of Isreal! According to the Koran all infidels are to die! It is really amazing that Isreal still exists when all the neighboring countrys want them to be history. Also why arn't the  other RICH Arab/muslem countrys helping Palestine?
To those of you who were shocked or appalled by Mr. Ben Gurion's statement in favor of compulsory relocation, please recall he was speaking in 1948, not 2008.  Our attitudes toward human rights have changed much since then.  Our own country relocated Japanese Americans to camps during WWII.  Right or wrong, it was a socially acceptable thing to do at the time.  Perhaps we should celebrate how far we have progressed as a nation.  We still have far to go, especially as regards abortion and civil rights.
I sympathize with the Israelis that are living with the risk of suicide bombings everyday. However, I cannot stand by them when for every one Israeli that is murdered, hundreds of Palestinians are massacred in retribution. Israel's existence was justified on the grounds of providing a safe haven for persecuted peoples... now it has become the persecutor itself. The immoral and hypocritical Zionist agenda is not only creating more animosity and terrorists in the world, it is making Israel a dangerous place for Israelis.
As usual: Carefully crafted "news" designed to produce a specific opinion.  Will it ever end?
It amazes me how the media shows the "poor Palestinians"after Isreal has taken out the bases used to launch rockets which the Palestinians have placed in the midst of CIVILIANS.  We must remember the radical Islamics are the ones who strap bombs to their children to use as walking killing machines. The Palestinians are indeed Arabs who should have been absorbed into the Arab communities after the Jews got their homeland back I might add Jews will be there forever. Israel has never been a Palestinian state. It was Arabs living in the Jews homeland. The Palestinians are pawns for Syria and Iran.They are so desperate and full of hate and bitterness they have now elected Hammas as there leaders, what a sad state of affairs.  
"I support compulsory transfer... I don't see in it anything immoral"...David Ben-Gurion.

Instead of inefficent, slow methods like massacres and driving people off their land, maybe they should have just rounded up the Palestinians, put them on trains to camps, and gassed them with Zyklon B, or would that just be too hypocritical?

I try to imagine if the Mexicans and Native Americans forced everyone else here (whites, Asians, Africans) off the land of the United States, say with the assistance of a great power like China, under the claim that it was theirs a few hundred years ago (a more recent claim than Jewish claim on Israel).

Gee, we could just ship all the white people back to Europe, all the Japanese-Americans back to Japan, I'm sure everyone in Europe would love having a few hundred million refugees move in... after all it should be there responsibilities since Europeans are white too, just like Palestinians and Saudis are both Arab...

I wonder how friendly all the refugee Americans would be towards the Mexicans and Native Americans now occupying their land... or for that matter to China which supported the Mexican and Native American claim to North America...

I'm sure Americans would not have any violent tendencies towards the people who drove them off their land, because Americans are not a violent culture at all, far from it, we are great examples of pacifism and non-violence...

Sarcasm aside... why expect people to have different reactions than you would have?   I close with Shakespeare... "If you prick us do we not bleed, if you tickle us do we not laugh, if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"


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