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In Beijing, plenty of pro-China free speech

Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:46 PM
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"Do you work for that American news company that said all those bad things about the Chinese people?" That question was posed to me yesterday by a taxi driver as I was riding to NBC News’ Beijing bureau. Not exactly your typical ice-breaker.

The driver was referring to CNN commentator Jack Cafferty, who made a comment on air about China’s leaders being "thugs and goons" – which has been taken as a personal affront by the nation of 1.3 billion people. 

I might have thought it was unusual for someone in China to bring up a politically loaded subject like that except for the fact that a Chinese babysitter my family has worked with for about two years asked me the day before to clarify who my employer was.

And later that same day, as we were shooting news footage inside a Beijing restaurant, a Chinese couple who recently returned from a vacation in the United States started complaining to the crew and me about Western press coverage of China – especially when it comes to the issue of Tibet.

The series of comments are an illustration of how far the current wave of Chinese nationalism has reached. It's fueled by anger over the tarnishing of China's image at a period of great pride for hundreds of millions of Chinese excited to be hosting the Olympic Games.

When you speak with people here, you get a sense that many average Chinese are hoping Olympic publicity will allow the outside world to notice the positive changes China has made in recent years, instead of fixating on what is wrong. That sense of real national pride – not some robotic obedience to the government and its policies – seems to be behind much of the anger.

To their credit, everyone who spoke to me about my employer was polite. But there is plenty of rage still out there, especially on the Internet.

China's blogs are seething these days, with many railing against the Western press and Tibet sympathizers. Chinese bloggers have inspired real protests against French-made goods and businesses in China – many here believe the French did not do enough to protect the Olympic torch when it passed through Paris, with a demonstrator almost wresting it away from a Chinese Paralympics torchbearer.

Chill out
With many Chinese angry over these perceived slights, the government has grown concerned about the intensity of the popular protest and what impact it might have on the games and China’s international image. So now, officials are taking steps to calm everyone.

Xinhua, China’s official state news agency, released a statement saying it was time to curb national zeal, which the agency implied could scare foreign investors away.

Two editorials in the Chinese press asked people to make a hospitable impression to guests and channel their energy into working for China's future.

And for its part, France is sending a high-level delegation to China on a charm offensive.

On April 30, the 100-day countdown to the games will begin, with the Olympic torch arriving on Chinese soil, and many hope the fanfare and celebration may help to shift focus away from the current controversy.

At the very least, this public outcry has been an example that in the world’s largest communist country, there can be free speech: especially when it's a decidedly pro-China.

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Yes, you said it: there is plenty of freedom of speech if you are pro-China.  An editor who questioned the truthfulness of the Chinese government's report on the riot in Tibet was attached as traitor and a Duke student who appealed to both sides to talk to each other was attacked and her family had to hide.

That's one kind of freedom, isn't it?
It's perfectly okay for China to commit genocide in Tibet for half a century, assist with a genocide in Darfur, and poison us with products.....but speaking out against them is wrong?

Up is down in this crazy world.
An American said to a Chinese, "I have the freedom to protest against our president in front of the White House."
The Chinese replied, "I also have the freedom to protest against your president in front of Tianmen."
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American people and their government are so naive as to believe that exposure to outside world and ecnomic progress will turn Chinese people into peace loving democrats.  They do not understand that the mind of a people can be poisoned to a point of no return that no amount of facts or reasoning will affect its worldview. Let them be.
"...China dont get it"
Learn English before making any mindless comments,Shambhala Knight
 All countries have their internal problems. I don't think any who have hosted the Olympics have had spotless records on free speech, discrimination, etc. Let China enjoy their moment in the sun and let's all pause to think about the Olympic ideals. If more people can come together in a spirit of friendly athletic competition, maybe some of the other problems in the world can be worked out.
Go China! Go Olympic!  As currently an important engine of world economic growth, and as one of the ancient great civialization, China will be a better place years from now, the same way it is a better place than years ago.

Human rights: what happened to Iraq people's right? Iraq was one of the most prosperous place in middle east few decade ago, look now.
The Western Media is quoting biased sources like from Reporters without Borders, US congress funded Radio Free Asia, or some Tibetan association.  As a result, politicans used the opening ceremonies as a carrot on a stick to 'Free Tibet.'

Saying that, there are human rights issues in China.  Hu Jia is an environmental and AIDS activist who became a political prisoner recently.  I'm sure that most Chinese would sympathize with this guy but US politicans doesn't care about him because there is no political advantage the securing his release.  
I don't really understand why the human rights in Tibet is an issue for western pepole. Why should't they respect the human rights of 13 billion Chinese people in the first place? In stead, they just care about a few people in Tibet? Are the right of a few people in Tibet much more important than 13 billion Chinese?
Come on, Shame on you!!!!
it's hard to believe you've lived in China for two years. Apparently you haven't talked to ordinary Chinese people a lot because people are talking about politics all the time, criticizing their government, even making jokes about their leaders. the only difference is you can't have chance to talk on media. but look at CNN and Foxnews, sometimes freedom of speech is not always a good thing.
The real players in this whole scenario are the power brokers as represented by the CIA, its influence through big money on the media.  The strategy employed is to fan the flames of popular ignorance on the part of the common people in the west focusing on the negative influence and threats that China presents and to play on people's sentiments toward a supposed suppressed people of Tibet.  The build up to the current situation has been preceded by bashing China on a variety of issues ranging from pollution, faulty products, energy grab etc., along with building up a innocent and friendly image of the Dalai Lama to make him a shining star with respect to spirituality.  The goal is to isolate and destabilize China so as to undermine its resurgence.  You only need to know a little bit of history to see through all of it.
I find the people who hear or see what they want to, very interesting.

Like how the author mentioned that his baby sitter is a local person and had questions, and some have turned that into racism.  It's context to the story.

Or how people try to rationalize away the one-sided nature of protests.  Most places in the free, non communist world, there are two sides to almost every protest.  And yes...China is most definitely still a Communist country.
I've posted at least 10 pro-China comments on MSNBC, however, to my disappointment, none of them were shown under the article.
Hey, MSNBC, is this your so-called freedom of speech? I never used insulting words. I was just expressing the feeling of an ordinary Chinese student and calling for a stop of media distortion.
I used to admire the American people that you possess the most objective media in this world, far better than us. Nevertheless, I find that I've made an enormous mistake: All media are just political tools, including this canting MSNBC!
CNN and other news outlets in the west is catering to those like "George in Raleigh NC", people who are very self-righteous but without any essential knowledge. If the media had reported in any other way, they would be labeled as pro-China and lose market share to the likes of Fox News. What more need to be said?
Americans have no right to criticise any foreign governments whilst their heinous and unlawful occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq are taking place.
Put your own house in order first.
I'm tired of so many ignorant people talking like they are the heroes and protectors of free speech and freedom. My observation is that most of such people usually never read, never care about world history, always rely on media for their "truthful" information because they are lazy and retard. Sorry, folks if you are one of them, your  intelligence is usually not something that I could compliment.

You have never lived under communism and don't know what communism was like. You have never participated in demonstrated against communism government. I did all of that. I was one of the students during 89.6.4 against my communist government. I still hate the current "communist" government not because they practice "communism" but lack of democracy, and too much corruption by western standards. However, I knew that the government has come from a long way and is moving in the right directly, although extremely slow. I am confident that the Chinese government will eventually become democratic because more and more Chinese citizens will force it change, not because of you people who neither care about it nor knows anything about it.  

Regarding this Tibet issue, I am with the Chinese people in the world. We are angry because the media was biased and not fair. I love our Tibetan brothers and sisters just like other minorities in China. I used to respect Dalai Lama for his peaceful middle way although I know that he had no choice because he had tried military rebellion but failed, but I still respected his middle way. Now I don't respect him any more because it is clear that he is playing a role while some groups loyal to him (for example Tibet Youth Congress) are advocating violence against innocent non Tibetan Chinese civilians. If Dalai Lama is a truly a peaceful person, he needs to distance himself from terrorism and condemn his own people that committed heinous crime against innocent civilians. Those violent acts are acts or terrorism. The western media need to get this thing straight.

Jack Cafferty is a racist.  

Well the everyday Chineese Citizen, is proud of their new, booming, economically surging, powerhouse of a nation and their hosting the Olympics, good for them!!

Boy its been awhile since I've heard, "Im proud to be a American", of course, right now the enviroment in the states is so negative (the visit from the Pope, brought some light in last week, to bad he left), lies about Iraq, High Oil resulting in high food prices, joblessness, big-time foriegn policy mistakes have left us deminished in the eyes of our EU friends etc., makes it hard for people to be proud.

So cheers to China, maybe once we get rid of BUSH/CHENNEY/RICE, we can back to feeling good
China has alot to be proud of, love those litte egg rolls with chicken and veggies and only the chinese could have thought of a way to infuse orange into chicken- somebody told me, they invented  the buffet, is that true?
I'll agree the press is 'biased'. The Chinese government doesn't allow them to accurately portray the real atrocities being committed in Tibet. It's also interesting to see all these 'Chinese' nationals here in the states-lots of credibility for people who brag up China but yet left that chithole. Screw the olympics, screw china.

As 'Dice' Clay said, "Put a piece of gum in it..."
I am a Malaysian.  I am appall by the lack of depth of people in the west who criticized China on various issues.  Seems like these are simpleton knowing very little about outside world, even though they might have spent their whole life reading supposedly free media.  No wonder you always plunged into war amd regret later.
I can't say the same with pro china readers here.  They seems to know very well what they are talking about, without being inflamatory.
Feedom of speech means to be able to say anything you want as long as it does not physically hurt anyone.  Criticizing your government is the ultimate freedom.  For all you Chinese immigrants who believe the Chinese are above criticism, go home or join the freedom party that is the USA, do not bring your totalitarianism to America.
“the Chinese government did all they could to fuel the fires of fanatical nationalism over the events surrounding the upcoming Olympics, and now they're trying to reign in their people again”,I don't agree with you,sorry,I am from china, a student in a university,my English is poor,but I often came here to improve my English.I think you, the commenter,is not familar with the condition in china,maybe you havent been China ,ep these recent years.Many forein people have an opinion that is old.The condition in China is not what you think,if you just listen to the people nearby,many chinese people consider the western media don't say the truth,we have a lot of evidence,www.anti-cnn.com/ in this site.We know,a big country grow with a lot of difficulties.Plenties of envy of other country.In the www.tianya.cn ,this site is the biggest website in China,we also have free saying,almost.On there you can also find comment which is critical to the govenment.Though it is not good enough,but is getting better.welcome to China when olympic.
"American people and their government are so naive as to believe that exposure to outside world and ecnomic progress will turn Chinese people into peace loving democrats.  They do not understand that the mind of a people can be poisoned to a point of no return that no amount of facts or reasoning will affect its worldview. Let them be. " you are wrong
Following is the full text of Dalai's1951 telegram to Mao:
"On the basis of friendship, delegates on both sides concluded the Agreement on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet on May 23,1951.
"The local government of Tibet as well as the Tibetan monks and laymen unanimously support this agreement,..."

I believe the peoples of various nations agreed to the peacefull and "unanimous" anexation of thier countries by Germany. I also believe that if China decided to take over the rest of Asia, we would see a memo that cited a "unanimous" agreement by the people of those nations. As for looking up the history of Tibet, it is written by those in power, in this case China, you won't find mention of the lives lost, the atrocities, but of a liborator. If Tibet truly wanted to be part of China, in a "unanimous" fashion, there would be no protests.

As to the individual who made the comment about going to China, yes do so, and see the smoke and mirrors.

China has a great habbit of "diluting" populations, as it is now, by moving peoples of various parts of the country into "trouble spots"

As for the Middle East, that is a completely different can of worms, that is a religous group of crazies, not a political group of crazies.

Which doesn't let the U.S. off the hook, there are civil liberties violations here as well, the incedent in Texas for one. Though the comment came up, that the people will make a discernment between the biases, that is not nessiarily true, and just because I call the sky green, doesn't make it true. I am however free to say that, the government can't do anything really about it. The people might, and again there is one of the great limitations of this country, the freedom to say anything you want, as long as no one is offended.
But at least I can say it.

If the Chinese really aspire to join the worlds top nations then they are going to have to grow a thicker skin and learn what it's like to live in a world where everybody doesn't agree with them on every subject and yes the their government has alot to answer for just like mine does and as they continue to develope and grow socially and econically these issues and other's will continue to be contoversial the chinese have had a free ride when it comes to their shortcommings because of americas involvement in Iraq and afghanistan as the worlds attention turns to them they are going to have to accept some flak like everybody else fair or not
I am an expatriate living in Guiyang, China.  This region is not yet "developed" compared to Shanghai and Beijing...much like my home in Eugene, Oregon is not as developed as New York or LA.  I am embarassed by the blatent ignorance and bias in the western media, and I wish I could share my experiences with you all.  China is waking up, becoming, emerging.  This is an extraordinary time to be Chinese.  As a proud American, I am sometimes ashamed of atrocities within my own country. This may be true of all nations.  Our glass house is built of dirty pains. Still, hope and wonder drive the average Chinese citizen...not oppression and fear of their government.  Once upon a time, I believed in the liberation of a free media, and that we in the west could lead the masses of the world to enlightment with free speech and freedom of the press.  Now I wonder if I was the one who was brainwashed all along...
objective.Hosting the Olympics is chance for them to show the world China is a confident and proud nation.
Chinese are hoping Olympic publicity will allow the outside world to notice the positive changes China has made in recent years.
“this nationalism is just what the communists hoped for 60 years ago. brainwash the people long enough so they will think their way is right. ”no,communist in china is just a word,not real.obviously,you just brainwash by the media in your country,have you been China? No one in China now trust "communist",and the special commmunical in CHINA is not the condition thirty  years ago.  I dont suprise to your comment.It's very usual .I often go to website in taiwan,they have the same luaguage with us.But they also only listen to the media around them.This is not enough.JUST like one person's comment anterior,China is more captical than US.yes IT IS not mature.MAYBE the person in China will be ludicrous to what you think. Brainwash is not in our courtry,but in your country.IN China,we also can came to your website and we know ENGLISH,I can undersand what you says.MAYbe chinese is too difficult~~
In a country where opression in Tibet isn't even glanced over as important and bringing up Tiananmen Square can get one in trouble, I think maybe that while the Chinese people are more than justified to be angry at words against them, they should maybe open their eyes to the criticism AGAINST THEIR LEADERS, where the real problems lie. Those leaders hold a double standard...its okay for the Chinese people to be proud, but not for anyone in Tibet.
An American said to a Chinese, "I have the freedom to protest against our president in front of the White House."
The Chinese replied, "I also have the freedom to protest against your president in front of Tianmen."
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American people and their government are so naive as to believe that exposure to outside world and ecnomic progress will turn Chinese people into peace loving democrats.  They do not understand that the mind of a people can be poisoned to a point of no return that no amount of facts or reasoning will affect its worldview. Let them be. -----------------------------------------------------------------you are stupid
That China is not as bad as it was 20-30 years ago is irrelevant. I understand that the Chineese people have pride in their country, but that should not be used to protect them from negative press. This is still the government behind the Tienamen square massacre. It is still trying to systematically eliminate the Tibeten culture. It is supporting the atrocities being committed in Sudan and North Korea. It is sending nuclear technology and supporting proliferation in rogue and terrorist nations. It is the largest polluter of the environment in the world. It does not engage in free trade with its trading partners. It uses toxic substances in food and other goods exported to other countries. It committed an act of war when one of its inept or suicidal military pilots rammed our plane in international airspace, took the crew prisoner, and took the plane as plunder. If the Chinese people want to see more positive press in the civilized world, their country is going to have to have more positive things to work with than "We're not quite as bad as we used to be."
Having endured so much anti-American criticism over my lifetime (some of it wholly unjustified), I understand how Chinese must feel.  However, this kind of skepticism and criticism is to be expected given China's stated aspirations for "peaceful development."  If China is to be a major world power, it should be subject to scrutiny.

Rising Chinese nationalism is a very real phenomenon.  China's tremendous progress and achievements should be acknowledged, but we have to be objective.  Too often we dismiss the soft authoritarianism of China, arguing that most Chinese are happy; and indeed they are.  But authoritarian leadership, patriotic education, growing power, a loss of historical perspective, and perhaps a note of ethnocentrism (common to us all) have gradually produced a society that cannot tolerate constructive criticism and does not acknowledge the challenges it still faces (yes, we can be the same way).  This is what you get when you lack free speech and a truly independent press (admittedly, ours is flawed).  So, good luck, China.  No one is against you, but expect more of the same.  Oh, and to pre-empt: yes, I've been to China and speak Mandarin.
First of all, Cafferty had it 100% right when he called the Chinese leadership 'thugs and goons'. Thats what they are. And the Chinese who are outraged by the comments (even the ones outside China) only feel this way because of their own hypersensitivity on the subject. They know that their country is a backwards thuggish authoritarian police state, but don't necessarily like hearing it from other people. Its like having an abusive alcoholic father; you know its true, you know its a problem, it deeply hurts you, but you still don't appreciate hearing the kids at school talk about it, and when pressed feel an obligation to defend him.

Part of it has to do with a lack of maturity. China is not a mature society, and the Chinese people reflect this. Anyone who has ever done business there knows that you need to approach even their major corporations as though you're dealing with a middle-school student; prone to tantrums, frequently dishonest and with only a vague understanding of how the world actually operates.

This is a general symptom of the people who have lived under harsh authoritarianism, not unique to China. Russians are the same way. As are many nations in Southeast Asia.
I know a high level indiviual in the press and he tells me that in a real sense the media minipulates the public to get the emotional response they want even if it means inventing a truth. Anotherwords, blatant lying if necessary. This article, in my opinion, is such to quell the anger of those who are on Tibetians side and to kiss the tail of China. China stole the independence and soverenty of Tibet for themselves. They never had regard for anyone and are a very arrogant people. The responcibility of what they did to Tibet sits squarely on their shoulders. And they are reaping what they did. Freedom of speach is NOT allowed in China. If you try it there is a bullet waiting you!

If this opinion of mine does not reach the blog in its entirety it shows blatant censorship by our own government/media. Freedom of speach is a protected wright declared by the constitution of the United States and belongs to the people of the USA NOT the the US media. -------------------------rude stupid are you the lowest people in human? Other people express their opinion, you will shoot them? Where is the democracy that you guys says? banditti
To Shambhala Knight: I am sure you have been totally brainwashed by western media. If you are from a slaveholder family, I must say soory that you will never back to the life of your forefathers anymore, if you are from a slave family, then congratulations, you can come back to see the free life of your relatives in Tibet now.

And, to all commenters here, if human rights of everyone on this planet should be respected, why you can not respect a common Chinese to say something good to his government!!! So, this is to "Jack White, Caliornia" , you are really a poor guy, may your media can wash your brain back to normal!

A native Chinese born in Shannxi, and now in Shanghai.
The Chinese people, just like any other "people" belonging to a country have day to day concerns that do not reflect what their government may or may not be doing behind closed doors. No one wants to believe that their government is capable of atrocities, instead, it is human nature to want to assume the best of ourselves while decrying the worst in others. Why would any of Chinese decent want to assume the worst of their home country and civilization?

For the majority of Chinese people that would never commit (knowingly) an act which violates human rights or decency, "let the games begin." They need to have a chance to show what is good and right about their society and the accomplishments of their industry.

The Olympics are a celebration of humanity, of personal and collective accomplishment, not a "pride-fest" to determine who lives under the best political philosophy. It is a chance to perform and compete, individual versus individual, and team versus team. The Chinese element in the olympic games has been indispensible to our experience through the years. Why think to tarnish their opportunity to play host, after so many years of being gracious guests?

No governemnt is perfect, in fact most, if not all, are seriously flawed. It is not a contest of who is less bad or more good. Your "Patriotism" should not include seeking the destruction of someone else's. You can be happy to live in America, while allowing someone else to be happy to live elsewhere. You can be happy to be of Irish or Iranian decent while allowing someone else to be happy because of the nationality of their ancestors. If you are personally guilty of thinking less of them because of the source of their happiness, you are disqualified from deserving your own.

If they see need for change, and it becomes important to them, then they can drive the process. And they should. We certainly have no right to force our views on to them, nor should we label them less than us for not adopting our views on their own. If we personally do not agree with their practices, then we have only one way to make a difference, and that would be to stop purchasing Chinese made products, just know that although the government may take a hit (the government and not the people should be the target of our effort), it is their people, with wives, husbands, children, grandchildren, etc, that ultimately pay the price.

There has to be a more intelligent way to inspire change than trying to grab the torch from a disabled athlete. Don't you think?
   
To "American by choice, Raleigh, NC", I must say that you Americans are so naive as to believe what your media is saying and what your government is doing is always right, and think you are really peace loving democrats, you do not understand that the mind of a people can be poisoned to a point of no return that nearly all the wars now on this planet are sparkled and carried out by you Americans. Let Americans be.
Glad the Chinese like the way things are going in their country- because things suck big time here in the United States- bogus war started with Whitehouse lies, bad and getting worse economy, super-ultra high gas prices (thanks Emperor Bush). Go China!!
Poor Americans, may someone can wash your brain back to normal.
If China would have allowed the foreign press into Tibet, they would have gotten better press. The Free Press gets pissed when you don't let them do their job and try to control them and they report what they do get, whether you like it or not.

As a sidebar, 5000 years of Chinese culture does, not surprisingly, lead to the point where you can take the Chinese out of China but you won't take the China out of the Chinese. They are Chinese first and foremost. We in America are used to hyphenated Americans but there is no such thing in an ancient homogeneous culture like China. Therefore you get the outrage by even Chinese-Americans or Chinese-Australians, at criticism of their Chinese identity or homeland.
TO Dennis , Carrollton, TX
Check the History books, China has control of Tibet for at least 800 years, longer than Texas has controlled Tejas, a portion of Mexico, taken through the kidnapping of the former Mexican president by a band of criminals, and forcing him to give up the territory to American guest workers that disagreed with the Mexican authorities policies. I would like to see your opinion if Cuban immigrants decided to join South Florida with Cuba because they disagree with our federal taxes.
You think that the China-Tibet relation started in 1950, that is understandable, you are from Texas, the same place moron George is from, the state that kills more inmates, based on labs with poor DNA analysis records, you probably also think that men and dinosaurs walked the Earth together, don't you?
I'll be the first to admit that there's a lot that's wrong with the Chinese government today, and they have a long way to go. But we also need to focus on how far they've come. Things have improved drastically since Mao. China is doing well; the economy is doing well; and people in China are, as this article says, genuinely proud of what their country has accomplished, as well they should be.

As for what they're doing wrong, yes, it's bad, but let's not pretend for a minute that wars and violent government responses to protests are exclusively Eastern phenomena. Fortunately, we in America and the UK have mostly grown out of that; let's give China time to do the same.

I was all over China this summer, and everywhere, people are excited to show off what's going well in China, as this article says. Let's get off our high horses, stop insisting that if it's not how they do it in America that it must be wrong, and give China a chance.
I am an American who lived and worked in China for almost a year.  The Chinese are good, decent, hard working people who generally have a true affection for Americans.   I felt very safe in Beijing and in fact much safer than most American cities.  It is true the government is communist in name only.  In fact, as a businessman I found the red tape of doing business in China much less than in America.   The Chinese are very entreprenureal by nature and smart business people.  

My co-worker in his early 40s gave me an interesting insight.   He told me when he was young it was glorious to be poor in China as you were seen as sacrificing for the country.  Now, he said it is glorious to be rich.

Just some of my thoughts.
Thank you so much for pointing out my frustrations! As a Chinese American, I do understand the concerns of China's political issues, and there are definitely many things that the Chinese government can do differently. However, as a Chinese woman, I feel that all the bashing of "everything China" has gone too far by the media and protestors. Tibetan issues (and all the others recently brought up) has nothing to do with the Olympics. It is time to focus on the many improvements that China has made. Why make a good time gloomy? Let's enjoy the Olympics like we usually do - it's supposed to encourage friendliness amongst nations.
It is logical to assume that to some degree, a protester has a vested interest in the situation, or movement that they represent, whether it be a religious organization, a company, or in this case a foreign country's political and social group.  The "Chinese" who are protesting are expressing a vested interest, therefore, in Communist China. That is worrisome, considering that they all want to become Americans for convenience sake.
We are the foreigners in our own country, according to those individual Chinese who would censor the media in America. We should pay for insulting "their" government. We should fire anyone who insults China.  
Logically, they should go home, where they might join their bretheren in despising the country which supports them so grandly. We are Americans. We like the French on and off, but we don't indulge in their opinions. We like the British, but we don't wave their flags or protest when someone has a contrary opinion of Britain.
I think we tend to forget that China is not our buddy, but rather our competitor for resources on this planet. One day, we might have to fight for our own land against the greed for resources China has expressed. They have 1.? billion people to feed and our countryside looks good to them. That is what happened to Hong Kong, will eventually happen to Taiwan, and perhaps Japan.  Beware of making friends of your enemies. They might still be your enemies.
What interest me more about this article are people's responses. To all Americans reading it, please think about Chinese people's response, both inside and outside the country. Don't take media reporting at face value; Chinese are not brainwashed by the government, unlike what your government has been telling you; youtube is not blocked in China, if you go on youtube you might be surprised by how many Chinese you can find on there; Chinese do have access to both official government media report as well as sources such as CNN and BBC, and that's why they got so disappointed by the media performance regarding Tibet this time.

Think with your head!
it is amusing to see so many americans accusing chinese people of being brainwashed, when it is obvious that many americans commenting are stilled brainwashed over communism and socialism.

yes tibet should be free, i attended the protest in london to support this, but i am not anti-china, i love the people, their culture and their ability to seemingly cope with anything,

what i am against is violence against unarmed civilians, whether it is the kent state shootings of 1970, Iraq, tiananmen square or tibet.

in short, love people hate governments, even the hailed USA and UK abuse human rights (guanatanimo bay)
open your eyes, open your ears before you open your mouth.
China is going through an economic boom much like 1950s era post WWII America.  It will take time for a social revolution thru new means of mass media such as the internet but the authoritarian regime will eventually fall.  I would also like to take a shot at the blame america always idiots.  You are frankly... idiots. lol.
Mr Hou, try wearing a fau lung gong T shirt in China and see how 'fair' the police are to you, try blogging on the internet in China about the Teinamen square massacre and see how long it stays up or try chinese language searchs on it and see how 'free' the internet is-or to the Catholics who follow the Pope. Loyal and patriotic Chinese, who merely wish to be allowed to worship their god as they please.
 China wants to be seen as a global power but the sword cuts both ways and when you declare 'look at me" you cannot be surprised when the uglier things come to light.
I fully agree that highly patriotic behavior could become a double-edge sword, just see what is happening to us in US now after patriotic American reelecting Bush for the 2nd term.

For the benefits of Mr. Mullen who might not have easy access from Beijing to Western media here, this patriotic behavior is not just limited to Chinese inside China. Those violent attacks on Olympic Torch and smearing campaign by some Western media against Beijing’s handling during the recent riots in Tibet have upset all overseas Chinese. As a person educated through 20 years of anti-communism training in Taiwan and then followed by another 30 years brainwash by Western media, I hope that the following simple question can trigger some serious independent thinking by Western readers.

While all Chinese know that most of the hard-sell information released from Beijing could be for propaganda purpose, does any Western reader have the conscience to realize that he or she is also being heavily brainwashed by special interest groups via a much effective, sublime propaganda? For anyone wants to know more facts about Tibet, please read a recent article, “Facing Facts on Tibet” by Louise Blouin MacBain, at Forbes.com, http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/04/10/tibet-china-macbain-oped-cx_lbm_0411tibet.html
I was thinking of going to China on holiday with my family after the Olympics were over. Now I would not go near China. The reaction of the people and even the "Western" Chinese people in these comments scare the hell out of me.

Simplistic and easily manipulated. One mans comments about the leaders gets the whole country upset and many expatriate too.

Very scary.

The comments here remind me of the way my 5 year old thinks. Get really really angry when you don't get your way.


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