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Egyptian women embrace Curves

Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:05 PM
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CAIRO, Egypt – A young woman in a pink scoop neck shirt with her hair neatly tied back in a ponytail pumped each hydraulic exercise machine single-mindedly as she moved through the circuit, focused on her workout. 

She could have been a young mother taking a break from her day at any one of the thousands of Curves women's exercise franchises throughout the United States, but she was at a Curves branch in a quiet Cairo suburb.

And when Sherin Ismail emerged from her workout, her ponytail was gone from sight – she was carefully veiled and dressed in a long-sleeved shirt and pants, despite the warm spring temperatures.  

For Ismail, Curves, is more than just a place to work out, it is a chance for the 37-year-old mother to have fun. "I come here [and] I am happy. I spend very good times here," Ismail said.    

Ismail explained that she originally came to Curves to get into shape and have "a good body," but she said she also found a support system that cares about her well-being.

For Debra Alcala, the Curves branch owner, her business is all about providing a space to make customers healthy and happy – especially in a usually male-dominated society.

"Women on the streets [here] are so sober. They don't seem to have a sense of joy," said Alcala. "When they walk in here, they are fun people. They love to dance, laugh and be silly, but I never see that outside." 

Alcala explained how she has two members who always enter the health club wearing the all-enveloping black hijab (veil) that reveals only their eyes – making them appear somber and serious. But she said that once they change into their t-shirts and start their workout, "They are laughing and carrying on like everyone else."

Men welcome concept
Only a few gyms in Cairo, a metropolis of 18 million, offer facilities for women. 

But many women, veiled or not, are uncomfortable working out in a co-ed environment. So in many ways, Curves trademark "women-only" policy is tailor-made for the Arab world. In some cultures, women are even forbidden from exercising with men.

Alcala saidthe Curves gym allows women to feel comfortable, "From the decoration to color, this is a place designed for women. They know it is especially for them." 

Debra Alcala, the owner of a Curves women's fitness franchise in Cairo.
Yasmina Muslemany/ NBC News
Debra Alcala, the owner of a Curves women's fitness franchise in Cairo.

When Ismail talked to her husband about joining Curves, his first question was "Is it just women?" She explained that if it was a co-ed gym, he would not have let her join.

For the most part, men in Cairo have welcomed the Curves concept. One concern was security for the women, but cautious fathers and husbands have been comforted by the fact that a security guard is stationed outside the door of the gym to prevent male visitors.   

For many women, the sheer comfort of being able to shed the veil and body-concealing clothes while working out is a huge plus. "It is more comfortable not wearing the hijab," said Neamat Fahmy, a 50-year-old housewife who hopes the exercise will help lower her blood pressure. 

In May 2007, Alcala opened the first Curves in Egypt, but four more franchises have already opened and another three will open soon. In fact, the exercise-franchise giant is expanding throughout the Arab world and has already launched three branches in body-conscious Beirut, Lebanon, three in Kuwait and one in Bahrain

A long journey
Alcala’s Curves franchise now has 281 members. She hopes to double that number by the end of her second year. But since few here have heard of Curves, the most effective advertisement is also one of the slowest: word of mouth. One family member often brings others.  About 30 mother/daughter pairs exercise together.  

Alcala’s own journey to small business ownership began in Phoenix, Ariz. She had just recently joined Curves, and was well on her way to losing 70 pounds, when she lost her job and decided to purchase a franchise with her severance package.

With most of the new U.S. franchises taken, she looked further afield. Brainstorming with her sister, Valora Abdelaziz, who is married to an Egyptian and had visited Egypt before, they decided that Curves made sense in the context of Egyptian society. 

Alcala explained that she knew she was "putting all my eggs in one basket," but that she was willing to take the risk. "I didn't come here looking to make my fortune; I was looking for something to do that makes me feel fulfilled, something worthwhile."

"I am happy that I came," she said. "It has taken a lot more money to get to where it is self-sustaining…but I am getting great feedback and women are getting good results." 

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Thanks Yusef for setting it straight.  Too many people get their understanding of the Middle East from Fox News.  This club is cool.  I didn't see any anonymous comments from the women interviewed at the club saying "I like to come to the club to get a break from my slave labor and beatings from my husband"...get real.
Yousef,

Rather then write slander against one persons ignorance, explain in love what Islam is truly about.  Practiced in the right way it is a beautiful religion.  You get more with honey then with lemon.
Thank you "S in Chicago!"  Few people really know the truth about the man who started Curves.  I have friends, who once they learned about him, dropped out.  The women in Egypt seem to be prey to more than one form of religious fundamentalism.
Arthur - We certainly do not owe the Arab World for the renaissance . The information from the Greeks and Romans came through direct translations and were not read from translations of Greek into Arabic. True there were some translations but going from Greek to Arabnic was very difficult to disciper.
I COULDNT CARE LESS IF MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM WOMAN OR
MAN HAVE A PLACE TO WORK OUT . YUSEF, MOST PEOPLE IN THE USA DONT CARE ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR LAWS TO WASTE THE
TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU PEOPLE LIVE.JUST STAY OVER THERE DO YOUR THING AND WE'LL DO OURS!!!
I'm so disappointed in people on this board.  Please go to your local library and read up on Islam because not everything that you hear on the news is true.

I'm glad that Curves has opened up in Egypt but disappointed in the comments that I see.  The religion is ISLAM...NOT MUSLIM.  Muslim are the people.  Islam is to Christianity as Muslim is to Christian.

Another thing, Islam is not a bad religion, and the fact is, Islam and Christianity are so very similar...it's the people that do things in the name of a religion that makes it sound bad.  

And another thing, half of the women liked to be veiled and welcome it.  It's their choice (in most places), but people see them as serious just because they have a veil on.  

The stories that you hear about women being stoned usually happens in small villages where people aren't as educated and supposedly follow a group of people that condone that sort of thing.

So please, stop putting down a religion, when you know nothing about it.  Again, more than half of what you hear on the news is not condoned by Islam, but is allowed by a culture...NOT a religion!  
Oh please. As an American woman living in Cairo I have learned many things and one of them is women who cover LIKE TO COVER. It is a sense of vanity for them. Covering is also a fashion statement here. Most women I meet don't really understand why they cover, they just do - there is no law in Egypt. These women are not oppressed or at least they are not without their permission. The men here (in general) are mind-less wimps and are controlled by their over-baring mothers or sisters. They certainly do not control their wives. Having said that, it is great that Curves is here to work off some of that macaroni beshamel or all those kushari carbs!
What a great concept.  kudos to lady in Egypt.  I am at this time working in a Curves as a circuit trainer-  there has never, never been any suggestion in reference to Christianity-  what an interesting take on it.  As it stands, I do not practice or partake in any organized religion.  not sure where individual got info ref. "Curves and promoting religion."  Curves is a great organization for toning, increasing bone density, and movement.  It is not promoted as a "gym."  Just an exercise facility using "low impact" machines to exercise muscles in the body.  Again,  what a brave woman and excited for fellow sisters in Egypt.
Yusef Shaban -- if you think you live amongst idiots, why don't you go back and live in the Middle East. Instead of calling the people that gave you a chance to live in a civilized society "idiots", maybe you should think how your statements reflect on you and your Muslim society. Maybe the only people that can be blamed for how the Westerners view the Muslims are people like you...
To "S in Chicago": What are you spouting about? All Curves locations are franchised and set hours by what is convenient for the local owner. Where did all this crap come from about fundamentalist Christians and promoting conversion to Christianity at the locations? I think you must have taken some kind of happy pill!
Why are some posters antagonistic, attacking others even here?  If you're fortunate enough to live in a society that isn't repressive, why not demonstrate through open-mindedness, courtesy and acceptance that it's a way of life that others should aspire to?  Ms. Alcala's business shows her customers that some aspects of western society can benefit them without threatening their culture.  Abuse and resentment  isn't going to do it.
A local Curves here in Virginia which I belonged to started allowing a man to come in to exercise because he threatened them with a lawsuit for  sexual discrimination.  I stopped going soon afterwards; so did many others, that branch has since closed.
  Has the owner of that Egyptian curves had to start paying Jizya yet, an arbitrary tax imposed on those not of the Muslim faith?  As a dhimmi in an Islamic country in which men regulary shake down non-Muslims for money, I wouldn't be surprised if she has been.  I have read of one Coptic Christian jeweler who had had various men claiming to be representatives of the local Mosque coming in and insisting that he pay them money to go away.  Like an Egyptian mafia, but worse.
OK! Now you have a woman who believes in a woman's rights to behave like women. Now you have the men that think women should stay in the house, cook and bear children. We shall call them idiots without the ability to have someone else helping them make decisions ( we shall call them bigger idiots).
When will these idiots realize that women are smart, creative and actually have a thought process. When will they see that a lot of them are really beautiful under the coverup. I have an idea. Let the women work and the men have babies, cook, shop, clean house, laundry, handle all of the household duties be submissive to the needs of the wife.
WOW! What a creative idea. More and more Women are running cities, states and governments. They mqake decisions that have an impact on the world.
HEY there idiots, wake up. We are in the minority.
S in Chicago, I workout at a curves in washington state.  I am an atheist and have never been bothered by trainers or other members about my religion.  It is a very supportive and caring place.  Also, the club where I workout is open from 6 am until 7:30 pm on weekdays, maybe I'm missing your point about the operating hours.
Duke, you're right.  In Australia and New Zealand, Curves and other businesses like it used some statistical analyses of women's attitudes to having men at their exercise venues to convince their attourneys general to allow a waiver to discrimination legislation.  I remember the same legislation being used to force Returned Servicemen's clubs in Australia to allow women into the pool hall areas, which they'd refused until then.  The statistics that the womens' gyms cited showed that more women claimed or believed that they would exercise without men leering at them at a gym (oh yah, we blokes all do that).  I've submitted my attitudes about playing pool with some women around, and how that raises my blood pressure, to the attourney general's office, but no dice.  
Islam IS a *highly* repressive religion, Y. I *have* been to the Middle East, including to Egypt, and women are *definitely* subjugated there. No doubt about it what-so-ever. Fortunately we have laws in this country that trump religion, and a man who tries to force such things on a woman HERE will wind up in prison with the badguys, where *he* might get a taste of oppression himself....  
All generalizations about cultural or religious concepts lack full understanding of reality.While it is true that, in most Arab/or Islamic countries, women do not occupy an equal footing with men, and have by far less social and economic freedom than their counterparts in the Western world, there is a significant difference between the life style of women in urban cities and those living in rural areas and villages. If any of the writers had visited Cairo or Beirut recently, they would observe women in Western attires, working in offices and shops, and enjoying a social and economic status, not significantly different from their counterpart in London or New York. So, it is not all dark and "backward". Things are changing all over the world, and the Arab world is no exception.
I think this is a cool concept. Regarding some of the comments: Yusef you are right, there are a lot of things we probably don't know, but please be a little more kind in pointing that out. Tim from Arizona, I feel very sorry for your daughters if they find the man of their dreams and he happens to be a different race that you don't like. You cannot make judgments on an entire group just by one example. In fact, if I was going to do the same thing by reading your post, I would have lots of bad things to say about whatever race you are. Everyone, let's stick with constructive criticism and open minds. Things are better that way.
Actually, this is terrible. Some people call it "progress" that a woman in 2008 can go to a gym to work out. And she has to ask the PERMISSION of her husband to do this. It just shows how backwards those cultures are - if they make a tiny step forward, people are excited about "reforms" and "openness". Sad!
As an Anthropology major, with a minor in Middle Eastern studies it saddens me deeply that there is this persistent refusal by the American public to educate themselves about the people and cultures that have so very much to do with our lives today.  There are many Arab and non-Arab cultures in the Middle East, not all of them are "built" equally AND the Islamic religion is based on love and a profound reverence for faith in Allah (which is by the way the same god as well.. God in the Christian faith) and just like in Christianity there are those who have perverted and shaped the religion to fit their own agenda.  Women in these cultures don't hate it anymore than the millions of women in the US who are suffering from oppression and marginalization which leads to depression and other ailments.  Women in the Arab cultures are the holders of the family honor and are respected and treated as such.  
BY the way Arthur, why does the Middle East need to change?  Unless you are perhaps refering to the inevitable change that comes from the passing of time, which hopefully is toward a more peaceful, tolerant existence, one we in the US should be moving toward and embracing.
Just so you know, the Curves I joined here in the US has a male owner who is at the club regularly and trains women if necessary.
It is so sad that most Westerners have no concept of how women live in the Middle East and especially in Egypt. I live in Egypt 6 months every year and I can tell you that women in Egypt are NOT SLAVES, they are well respected and have more rights than in America.  They have always had equal access to education, equal salaries and most women do work here.  There are thousands of women in Egypt who are engineers, pharmacists and doctors as well as other professional occupations.  Women have had the right to vote in Egypt long before 1920, they have always been able to own their own business way before the 1930's.
  As to the Muslim Religion it was the very first religion to declare that women are equal to men, sometime around 870 A.D.  Yes women do cover their bodies more than Western women but that is not always a negative.  Yes there are problems in Egypt between men and women but that is true of every country in the world.  How many battered women are there in the United States?  I would venture to guess more than in Egypt.  I suggest that people learn about what is going on in a country and a religion before they make derogatory statements.
Hey Yusef! People here will take you more seriously if you learn how to spell "Phoenix" correctly.
If curves is ONLY for women, why has no one file a lawsuit against them for sexual discrimination?  Let a male only gym spring up and watch what happens...
I find a lot of these comments interesting. I am a Muslim Arab women and I have lived in the Middle East. It's not as bad as you think and obviously not everyone will see the good since the media likes to portray the bad. I think having a womens only workout place is wonderful! I know where I lived we had tons of them and we even had swimming pools that were women only and it was great for someone who chooses to wear the veil. It's not designed to make someone feel inferior just protect the things that we hold dear. I do wear the veil and find it frustrating when people tell me that I am oppressed. I don't believe that and should be able to practice my religion freely in the U.S.

I do understand the other side of the fence as well, but I do think not all Muslim men are bad. There are bad men in other cultures and countries as well.

I also don't think every arab thinks that americans are bad people. They don't just go around killing people because of that reason.
I have no problem with women or men's only gyms, I wish we had more of them here in the USA. Having co-ed enviornments alot of times affects the main focus of the subject, instead it turns out to be meat markets and am tired of it. Perhaps women and men would respect and value each other more if they weren't always mingling constantly.
I vacationed in Eygpt twice last year.  I fly out of the Ukraine.  Frankly, having lived in Tampa Florida, the Corals and lack of shark attacks in the Red Sea make it a fantastic vacation spot (incredably low prices).  The best part is the lack of fellow Americans with their remarkably uniformed views of the world -- I saw 0 Americans last time.  I hit the some of the 100 or so 5 star hotels between  Hurgada and Sharm El Sheik, and I venture to say the legalized prostitution and legal use of small quantities of drugs (individual use) will surprise most American's who visit.  :-)   Some individuals wore the full cover clothing, but far more were significantly better dressed then the highest fashion minded Russian woman down there.  Not to take anything from the Russian woman, as I've maried two already.  So to my fellow Americans who have never tried to visit a 'third world country' -- well, I guess that is why we are so busy bring democracy to the Middle East.  In spite of our 'tinkle down' foreign policy Americans are treated in Eygpt exceptionally well.   As I point out to my Eygptian friends, don't worry, eventually America will find an excuse to bomb you also.  So you know, I am politically conservative, simply not stupid like so many in the Republican party since 1980.  I voluntered for Viet Nam (truth -- I got Germany for my tour) and consider Nixon a great man who saved 50,000 American lives by getting out of a war that dems started.  Unfortunately, now we have a stupid man as our president and we paid the price.   I don't care if it is McCain, Hillary or Obama, they all will be an evolutionary step up on the idiots we have now running us.
Isn't Curves corporate ownership somehow Christian-related? I always think of it as a "Christian" company. Owner Gary Heavin! I find that angle interesting and wonder if the Muslim members are aware of it.
I can't believe the comments here about the women and other men around! Did you people read the part about the woman and her husband's question about it being co-ed? The story states a couple of times about there being co-ed gyms!! Please, learn about the country before you make a comment that shows you don't know what you're talking about.
S In Chicago.

My curves is open 530a.m. to 730p.m. When I first joined it opened at 6:30a.m.  The clients asked the owner to consider opening earlier, which she did and moved opening to 530a.m.  This is great for me because I can scoot home, take a shower and get to work by 8:00a.m. I DO have responsibilities for my family, just as they have responsibilities for me. It was my decision to marry my husband and it was our decision to have a child. It is necessary for me to assure balance in my life so that my responsibilities are covered. Just as it is my husband's responsibility to balance his bow hunting, garage projects, etc. with his responsibilities in our shared life.

I have never seen or heard any discrimination against anyone at my curves. All trainers and the owner are unfailingly cordial, supportive, friendly. They encourage ANYone to come on in. I suggest speculation is just that, speculation and not truth.

Curves may seem odd, not having outrageously buff people strutting around, and no "pick-ups" going on, but I can tell you that in OUR repressive society Curves strikes the right balance. I have lost 70 pounds and 3 dress sizes in 2.5 months. That's something I can really cheer about!

Shalom (God's Peace) to you.
Duke - there are private clubs that are men only.  You may recall the controversy over the club in Georgia a few years ago where the Master's was held.  Private clubs can discriminate in their admission of members.  Places that are open to the public cannot, nor can most organizations that receive public monies.
I can't believe the comments here about the women and other men around! Did you people read the part about the woman and her husband's question about it being co-ed? The story states a couple of times about there being co-ed gyms!! Please, learn about the country before you make a comment that shows you don't know what you're talking about.
right, womean treated as property in the middle east. you would never hear anything like "how u like it daddy?' on the radio over there. my saudi friend once told me that women are covered because they are treated as precoius objects, not for everyone(especially males) to look at them. makes more sense to me.
I think that a Curves in Egypt is a great idea. I was born in Egypt and understand the need women have to be able to excercise in a male-free enviroment. I also want to say, though, that women in Egypt are not forced to cover up, and the ones that do cover themselves do it for religious reasons and for the sake of modesty. Many think that it is forced, but they do it so people can like them and understand them for who they are, not by how they look, which is wonderful.
Freedom of religion is not just for Americans, instead of making comments, about a type of behavior that most people are ignorant or biased of, you should research and then run your mouth, In alot of 3rd world countries, women are not treated badly, they are protected and shown great respect. Most people just like to be negative, so they don't have to explain there own actions.
This blog is about education.

Shouldn't Mike be allowed to ask a question and to learn without anyone imposing any preconceived ideas about the intention of his question?

Yusef, I understand the frustration about a lack of awareness; however, don't you think a response that provides information would do a better job of creating cultural awareness than name calling?

I noticed there are also many people using an "us" vs. "them" language by referring to Yusef a Middle Eastern Male as though the that label provides anyone further insight to his point-of-view or uses the label to judge the validity of his thoughts.

I will be the first to agree that I may not have a clear understanding of Egyptian law or Middle Eastern culture but I do know this: the more we ask, the more we listen, and the less use an "us" vs. "them" approach- the better chance we have to create social justice- whether we are talking about the treatment of women in Egypt or the way that we treat one another here in the United States.

There is truly one race- the rest is culture.
I believe this is a matter of science, not opinion.

Personally, I know that there are areas where I need to grow and dialogue like this is one way.
Yusef Shaban
They are talking about ISLAMIC law, not egyptian law.
Men can go work out & sweat & not be self conscious (unless they are obese & not just overweight...I'm speaking generally.) but women would be much more comfortable not having a group of men around while they are breaking a sweat & busting a move...a difference between the sexes, I think. I think if Curves offers a women's only gym that many Arab women are enjoying - good for them. Women need the support & companionship of other women, & how much more so might the Arab women?  
Who cares if "mike" asked an irrelevant question. Seems like a lot of people would rather comment about his stupid question rather than comment about the topic. A stupid question doesnt necessarily imply anything, Mimi. Also, my Mother is a trainer at curves and she has never heard anything about religious beliefs or discrimination against non-christians. Lets not forget that Curves is a franchise. If theres a problem with a specific location, the owner to blame would probably be the owner.
As a right wing male conservative, I can only say:  YOU GO, GIRLS!  Of COURSE, there is nothing wrong with this and everything right.  God, Praise His Name, forbid my wife or daughter would ever have to put up with the cra... stuff that these womena have to put up with.

But please, please, understand your danger.  These women are going to have to go home, put on their Burkas and pretent not to feel empowered.  How long will their husbands, fathers and sons not notice??  I give it a year or less before Egypt comes down on them, hard.

Ladies, how hard is it to understand that Islam is slavery for women, or more like being cattle?  How come this is not your biggest priority, especially since Islam is trying to take over??

I'm a guy, all they are going to do is kill me and my sons.  But my daughter?  If an American politician did just 1% of 1% of what is normally done in an Islamic culture, she or he would be crucified.

Simple solution:  Send your Representative and Senators an email with a copy of this page saying you are watching their voting record:  If they don't introduce a bill helping the billions of slave women under Islam you'll simply vote against them every time.  And tell your friends.

Half the women on earth are enslaved, and the other half is looking at the same.  Smell the roses, ladies, and for God's sake think of your daughters!

And for the Islamic Ladies who say, "Hey back off!  This isn't so bad, I'm a lot better off than my mother was!"  Come to America, just once, find out, things can be a lot better and God Bless you.

(And sons, this is no good for us either obviously!  Oh, yes, I guess that's why many of you are fighting, not for your own rights, but the rights of others.  Heaven holds a special place for you.)

And Marines, stop saying you'll hold the Place secure until the Army arrives...      :)
Dang, there is an awful lot of hate on this page, from both sides. take a deep breath. We all have our individual beliefs, customs, dreams, needs, wants and so on. So let people have them and stop trying to persuade each other who is in the right. Let it go. Change will happen whether we want it or not and it happens to us all.
wowww...coming from Egypt...I think it's a great idea for Curves to this for woman especially only for woman...many r shy and that's why they would not go if it is co-ed or even there families would not let them..i think there should be more of these gyms out there to encourage these females to go and feel better about them selves in a natural way and not surgery and risking too much
Go women! i think women should have more power in the men dominated world, especially since that most of the time its guys dominating the women so i personalty think that men are only better then women in brute strength and only have more ignorance to believe that women are lesser then men
Oh goodness, how does a simple story about expanding the Curves franchise turn into a hatefest?

I am an Egyptian-Muslim woman and can assure you that neither my family nor my culture treat me as chattel.  As with all the other women in my family, I am highly educated and successful in my career.  And I respect my religion.  

I don't want to work out with men around, whether in Egypt or America.  It's that simple.  No one here suggests that the women patronizing the Curves franchises in the US do so because they are escaping some sort of hell, although many of them are in loveless marriages, in which they are not respected and that, according to statistics, are more likely than not to lead to divorce.  
hey duke in colorado springs, I am a women and I agree with you.....if you men tried this we would be all over it, call for equal rights, how come we can't go work out with the boys, case in point: West Point Academy - why can't the boys have a place just for them....I have never been to egypt so I can't say how the women are treated there but I do have quite a few arab and eqyptian friends, Yusef in Phoenix you can defend the men all you want these women are oppressed and treated like second class citizens in most cases, I have seen it with my own eyes.
Vanna, I'm wondering why you think Curves is a lame gym. The workout, if done right, will raise your heart rate for cardio and the machines are like strength training. The stretching after a workout helps increase flexibility. The hydraulic system means that if you are weak and work it as hard as you can, you'll get results without worrying about changing weights. If you are stronger and work it hard, you'll also receive results. The new Smart Machines track your ability to work the program and challenge you to work at your highest level and automatically take you higher. No matter whether you are weak or strong, the hydraulics immediately adjust to you. What I love is getting the cardio and strength training at the same time. No worries about spending hours at the gym. Go in, work hard for 1/2 hour and see results.

S. I have seen nothing of the experiences you wrote. My Curves is open from 7:30 AM to 8:00 PM and closed on Friday between 11:30 & 3:30 and Saturday after 11:30. I know some Curves have different hours, so they are not all exactly the same. If the hours were designed for women to be home for their families, IMHO, Curves would close at 5:00 PM so that all women could be home to make dinner.
As to the story, I think it's wonderful that women in Egypt love Curves. I do too. :) To me, that's the point. Love Curves, work it hard and have fun meeting other fabulous women while getting stronger and in better shape.

Linda
I think that if Curves provides Egyptian women a place where they can comfortably work out that works in their culture, then it is great!  I don't know that it matters who started Curves or the first Egyptian Curves franchise.  Perhaps, Curves will become a world-wide phenomenon and give women of many cultural backgrounds somehting in common.  Perhaps that may foster a little more understanding between us all.

On another note, I agree Yusef that we in the US have a very poor understanding of Middle Eastern culture. Calling people idiots won't help though.

I agree with Arthur though, that American moralizing isn't helping either.    

All this talk about Curves being for women is truly a farce.  The owner of Curves donated five million dollars to the Pro Life Movement---hardly a movement linked to women's freedom.  I cannot understand why this information isn't more public.  All the women I know quite immediately after reading a small article about this in the New York Times.
Tim in Avondale said: "Yusef, your attitude and reaction is one of the many things that cause the rest of the world to detest Arab men."

Ummm...sorry, Tim, but the United States is not "the rest of the world," and most of the world does not detest Arab men. We are very ignorant in this country about the cultures and traditions of "the rest of the world" so to suggest that our opinions and beliefs are the same as "the rest of the world" is ridiculous. Stereotypes keep you stupid.
hay vanna..."it would be more great" talk about proper english....


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