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Fear follows Iraqis abroad

Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:05 PM
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The warning to his family was explicit. "Do not befriend or talk to any Iraqis."

Sound like words likely to be spoken in ethnically-torn Iraq? The advice was actually given to the wife and children of an Iraqi colleague lucky enough to get his family to Europe. The family is presently applying for asylum, as well as learning a new language and skills which may lead to work.

Similar words were expressed by another workmate who moved his family to Syria. While he remains here in Baghdad to work so he can support his wife and children, the potential danger to his family abroad is high. Why? In each case, there's fear that if word gets out that the families have ties to Iraqis working for Western organizations, trouble could arise in the form of retaliation – the same fears each family lived with while in Iraq.

Their worries are not just for family in Syria and Europe, but also for family members who remain in Iraq. If word gets out to people who perceive my colleagues as being collaborators with the occupying power, then some may be inclined to intimidate or harm loved ones who can be tracked down in Iraq.

My colleague who settled his family in Syria says the need to remain silent reminds him of the fear he lived with during the domination of Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime, when informants could ruin lives. Now it seems that the same paranoia and fear exists, except now it has crossed the nation's borders and extended to other locations in the Middle East and beyond.

Usually when we hear about Iraqis who have fled the country, there's an assumption that the worst of their problems are behind them. After all they've escaped the violence and hardships of living in a place where suicide bombings, raids, gunfire and torture are the norm. Perhaps like other immigrants, we think there's an opportunity for them to rebuild lives, educate their children in places which are comparatively calmer, and eventually even find work.

Yet for many, life abroad often means broken families, financial struggles, and the grief of coping with loved ones who lost their lives in Iraq. Compounding these harsh realities is the fear that problems certainly remain for those left behind in Iraq.

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Hi Carla:

You are absolutly right in saying that most people think that when Iraqi leave their country to another one, they leave behind their problems. But this is not the case, because Iraqis find them selves difficult to adjust outside their home environment,specially for the eldery. In my openion, no matter how much the U.S and the rest of the world will try to help them, there is no other better way than you make their country safe to live in. U.S and its allied countries, must stress so hard and force the Iraqi government political parties to reach solutions and to reconcile. With out a unified political decision, it is hard to find any acceptable soultion to the ethnic problem in Iraq now. Remember that Iraq is the origin of civilization, and these people understand quite well their current roll in the world new political map. The solution is in the hand of the powerfull countries to pressure the Iraqis political factions to sit and fight only at the table of the house of Parlamant, not in the streets, this is the democracy that need to be previaled in Iraq. Every one must understand that new Iraq is a peacful and an important allied. It is time to resolve the political differences and to ease up the economical problems through out the world.
Don't blame America or Americans or Europeans for this pervasive atmosphere of fear.  It is an Iraqi cultural problem.  We have seen how the Middle East deals with outsiders and with their own citizens who do not support the hard left line of thinking.  The whole culture needs tolerance, forgiveness, love, gentleness, patience (whoops, did I just say "Jesus"?) instead of death and destruction, intimidation and fear, anger and loathsomeness.
i like how theres no mention of the fear and intimidation thousands of iraqis feel INSIDE iraq at the hands OF the united states and THEIR informants.  
Well, I always said if I was in a really bad situation I'd turn my back to it and start walking - no looking back - keep walking 'til I got to something better. Move away, cut ties, make do, make friends who aren't Iraqi, marry people who aren't Iraqi - leave the insanity behind and in a couple of generations you will have put your family in a lot better situation.  Make sure that people know that you and your family believe in nothing that has anything to do with religion or politics.  Embrace frivolous customs and holidays - ones that have been denuded of "deep meaning". Don't be "zealous" about anything. Enter the melting pot, forget ethnic and nationalistic traditions and try to be liked for being a nice person. Run from your Iraqi problem, that's what I say.
The war in Iraq is like a stone thrown into a pond--one stone, but many ripples.  At this point, it's too late to play finger-pointing games--who's wrong and who's right.  This is one of the many unfortunate aspects of our decision to invade Iraq.  And there is no end in sight as everyday Iraquis try to evade sectarian dragnets where the end game is torture and death.
Keeping silent is one issue but I'll bet some Iraqi refugees would rather have their tongues cut out than be sent back to Iraq.
If there is a Judeo-Christian "God" that will judge George Bush some day my bet is that it's not the invasion of Iraq nor the horrible mismanagement of the war that will go against him.  It's how he used Christianity to be elected and yet has done so little for refugees of the Iraq war. More than one religion has been hijacked since 2000. For all my "sins" I'm glad I'm not him. Of course, since he's been "saved" he does not have to worry about this.
I have to wonder how Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company sleep at night.  It amazes me that when stories like this are brought to their attention, they shrug and say, "Well, that's the price of war."  A war they started by lying, by deliberately leading both Iraq and the US into what may be the worst quagmire we will ever see.

After blowing off the international community who told us not to do this, we then demand they help us.  Now Europe and surrounding Middle Eastern countries have to take in all the refugees while the US has barely taken in any.

But it's particularly bad when other countries take in refugees who will not cooperate with authorities of the host country out of fear of what will happen to their loved ones still trapped in the hell-hole Bush & Cheney have created by wasting American lives and destroying countless families.

And by stupid Americans reelecting these two bloodthirsty idiots, the whole world hates us now.  And John McCain wants to continue this crap for a hundred years if need be.  God help us all if he gets into the White House.  I used to respect McCain but I hate him now.

And we Americans cry about our housing crisis that we created through our own stupidity saying, "There's other issues besides the war."  No there isn't.  WE did this to these people and we can't seem to rectify the situation.  So what do we do?  Staying a hundred years is NOT an option!  Staying ten years is NOT an option.  Staying another year will crush our military which is already under tremendous strain.

So do we fix this?  And how do we make it up to Iraq and to the world what we allowed Bush to do?

 Why would anyone want to leave the " Crown Jewel of the Middle East?", according to Bush, Iraq is doing great and money is tumbling into government coffers, also, according to the latest edition of Newsweek, in FY2007, we poured $875 million into Iraqi neighborhood revitalization programs, with another $475 millon headed there in the first fiscal quater of this year.

 This really rubs me the wrong way, when the schools in our district are constanly having, every kind of Fundraiser under the sun, just to buy school supplies and extra playground equipment.

 I spent the last four years in the Middle East (Iraq for the majority), these Iraqi folks do not appreciate what we are doing for them, they smile in your face and give info on you to their bad guy family members behind your back- yeah violence is down- but at what cost- we cannot hold this security posture forever-think about it this way- don't you slow down when you see that cop on the side of the road- and then speed right back up when you they can't see you anymore-same in Iraq- folks I lived there, and generals (who sit in A/C in the Green Zone all day along with Rice, and get on the TV and talk all they want about troop strenght and rebuilding Iraq- Its not going to happen! folks morale (amongst the troops is very, very low- I knmow because I was one of them) in Iraq Bush lied and was wrong-period.

 Any country that allows Iraqis into their respective countries, will regret it, and many already are- I have a friends in Holland and Belgium and they already regret letting these (along with the leeches from Africa that need to stay in the Dark COntinent) into their country- and guess what,  they tell they're kids to stay away from these folks, all they are going to do is add nothing to the country and suck the welfare systems dry and of course violent religous acts will follow- ask France how much fun it is to have these folks from the Middle East and Africa in your country, draining the rescoures of your country. ITs not pretty, but folks its the truth.


 
Lets hope the Iraqis can take back from the militias their country and support the government forces in identifying and either re educating or exterminating the murders of their own people.
Clerics like Muqtada must be caught and executed for the misery their greed for power has cost their countrymen.
Jorge, you hit the nail on the head.  Right on!!!!!
While I do realize  and appreciate the tremendous human  implications of loss and tragedy in Iraq I would also like to point out that it is not confined to the middle east alone.Terror is in every place one way or the other.If its not political then its economically associated and if not that then it is religiosly connected.In some places around the world its everything all at the same time.- you name it its there:Iraq ,India,Kenya,Sudan and every where.Whatever the situation I don't believe its time for a mud slinging session as to who's right and who's wrong.There needs to be an act by all who read Carla's report and all reports that come in regarding tragedies around the world.We have good men and women out there who are giving their lives so that we can live.I know One Man who died so that we could live.Did He die in vain? Are the American troops who give their lives in war zones doing so in vain? Death ought to cause a change among those who are alive at home. If Carla's colleagues still fear after coming out of a hell hole then we can't stand back and blame everyone around us - it does not solve the problem.America is percieved as a major Christian country by the world and deep down in the hearts of many around the world there is a hope that America will get down on its knees in repentance and once again get connected to God that the Heavens may storm situations that Carla's colleagues and a million others are in.Thats not religious talk,thats effective change on our parts worthy of the deaths of our sons and daughters in war zones
I can certainly sympathize with the poor soul in the article. My Filipina wife and I (white male), fled the Philippines in Aug., 2007 because of persecution by Supporters of the Arroyo Administration starting with her cabinet members down to the squatters near our home. We received no assistance from the local neighborhood police or the Philippine National Police. They were controlled by what we called the  alleged Rizal Mafia. Must always used the term allegeded as under Philippine Law, one can be found guilty of Libel and sent to prison for telling the truth. We are still in fear for our lives even while now being home in the U.S. from the alleged semi official death squads that roam freely in the Philippines and who knows where else? My wife has become depressed, suicidal and her health is failing due to her fears. Our crime; obeying, respecting and trying to utilize Philippine Law to resolve local issues. While doing this, we became all to aware of the alleged massive corruption going on within all levels of Govenment. The U.S. State Department/ Philippne Embassy are running not walking to shut me down as the Philippine Government is supposed to be our friend. My wife's mother is still being harassed while staying in the home we were forced flee in the middle of the night. Terrorism is not limited to the poor Iraqi's trying to flee but even U.S. Citizens.
The responses here are absolutely typical of the LEFT WONG blame Gearge Bush, what a load of wankers. It just shows how uneducated, naive and stupid most Americans are! The Iraq war became necessary because under successive Democrat Administrations, nithing was done to counter the escalating challenges from Islamo Fascists culminating in 911, then there was a vast respinse, these barbaric people live and breathe 7th Century dogma, unfortunately American schools dont teach comprehension anymore so the idiot population lives by their TV instructors. THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT RUN ANYTHING, THE HOUSE AND SENATE DO AND THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN NAMING POST OFFICES, they know the populace is stupid and ignorant so they play to the gallery. I think it is unconscionable that people in this world should love in fear and we should fightn the good fight against it. America is the last bastion against tyranny and we should be proud of that mantle and power and not shirk our moral authority.
To all who blame our government, should some day I visit New York and I come to realize that the Twin Towers are still there, then I will blame our government for "our" intrusion to Iraq and neighboring countries.  We have never allowed anyone to come to our backyards and destroy our people nor our country, inevitably someone allowed it one time and "We the People" must defend that intrusion.  Never Forget That!!!
Middle East conflict is a multi faceted problem that started with the 1967 war. Israel had a one time opportunity to give back the Palestinian land they captured and occupied in exchange for an ironclad peace treaty with the Palestinians. If history has taught us anything, it is that people will fight to the end of this earth to get their land back. Unfortunately, piecemeal [land] givebacks [to the Palestinians] only serve to embolden the Hamas and other terrorist factions. They tell their followers…”see, our tactics are succeeding”, and on it will go. It is all or nothing. The G8 countries should hold a summit under binding arbitration. Neither side will be completely happy, but peace will be made. That example will lead the way, by example, to neighboring countries in conflict.
Hey John Doe, Texas:  We the people ought to actually fight the people who attacked us. Not the people who vaguely look like them.  You let your fear make you stupid to the point you didn't care who "They" were as long as we got "Them." Why else do you think the world hates us?  It's because we lashed out after 9/11 and we didn't care how many innocent lives we destroyed in the process. How is that moral? Justice was appropriate, but lashing out like we did is unforgivible. There's a huge difference. That goes for you too Keith Milliner. Who are the "Islamofacists" exactly? Are they the Sunnis? No because they are secular. Are they the Hammas? No because they are all about fighting Isreal, not us. Are they the Shia? No because they are our friends in the Iraqi gov. Are they the Iranians? No because they aren't stupid enough to start a war with us. Are they the Kurds. No because the Kurds have no beef with us. Are they Al'Qaeda? Yes. But we already knew that. So why did we go into Iraq again which is exactly where Al'Qaeda WEREN'T (at least until we opened it up for them)?  If you want to be a bastion against tyranny, then at least be smart about your battles. First and foremost, figure out who "They" are exactly. That would be an awesome place to start.  
Touche' Thoughtful in Denver !
Hey CJ from Vancouver, the Mideast conflict started WAY before 1967, and the land the Israel occupied was occupied AFTER ISRAEL WAS ATTACKED by Palestinians and beat them back, taking the lands as a buffer zone so that the rockets launched from the heights above them had less of a chance of hitting them. The plain fact is: Palestinians would still have that land if THEY had not ATTACKED Israel. You are condemning the victim for fighting back, and winning. Bullies suck and deserve what they get, be they individuals or entire nations.  
David of Norwalk.
I lived in Ireland for a time. I would have to agree with most of what you say about the trouble many of these people bring to the country they run to and hide. Ireland is not a wealthy country despite what you here. It was maddening to hear people complain about the terrible conditions there were put into. Yes, they were rotten 4* or 5* hotels. The food was unforgivable. It was free!! They would complain that they were being picked on while riding the bus so the government would buy them brand new cars. I actuall heard a woman say, after being told that her baby carriage was too bid and she tossed it aside, that the government will just buy her a new one. That is what is coming here. Irish Citizens don't get those types of benefits at all. Then these people have the never to come here and demand that we do things for them like they have in their country. If their country as so good then why did they leave?
Thoughtful,
Hear, Hear! as they say in Parliment.
I am all for helping the people in Iraq, I would like to think someone would come to my aide if I was living under a sadam like ruler, who can come into your home at anytime, pull you out kill you and no one bats an eye. But this country is oil rich, they need to pay for their own war, not on our dime.  We have people in our own country starving, living under bridges, no medical insurance, let's put the money back into our own country. I was reading an article by 2041 the Social Security dept will be tapped out when 78 million baby boomers will be eligible for their benefits, where's all that money...OH yeah it is going to fight wars...special interest groups, etc. The goverment needs to start looking at home and our own problems.  We are paying $4.00 a gallon for gas, crazy, if we are going to pay for the Iraq war we should be getting oil from them for nothing...and why are we paying so much for oil.......stop pumping the gas it would not take long for the rich OPEC countries to feel the crunch.......if we truely united for only a few days we could shut them down, I see stupid americans on tv saying I am just one person what can I do, well this is the reason nothing is being done with that mentality nothing will be done and hench we continue to pay $4.00 a gallon.


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