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$8 for a gallon of gas?! In Germany, yes

Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:21 PM
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It is an everyday lottery when it comes to fuel prices at German gas stations. Prices for regular unleaded and diesel gas bounces up and down, often changing twice on the same day. And drivers in this car-loving nation are unhappily dealing with increasing prices at the pump.

Record prices on the international oil markets have driven gas prices across Europe sky high, with a gallon of unleaded gas costing about $8.60 per gallon in Germany.  (In Germany, gas is sold by the liter with one liter of unleaded fuel selling for an average of $2.29)

The high prices hit people where it counts – in the wallet.

"For us, as a family with two children, the high fuel prices are burdening," said Britta Koester, a nurse who has a 20-mile commute to work at odd hours and no options for using public transportation. "I am totally dependent on the car; the infrastructure in our little town is miserable in that respect," said Koester.

While filling up his small Volkswagen Golf, Dietmar Dannemann, 63, watched the meter at the pump carefully and tried to stop his purchase at an exact amount.

"As a member of the ADAC automobile club, I get one cent discount per liter, but I don't want to get more than 15 liters today, the prices are too high," he explained.

Meanwhile, Susana, a 33-year-old mother of two children, actually traveled across town to get a better price at the pump. "I get gas when I see a bargain," she explained. "And, in my family, we call each other when we spot a station with lower prices."

Still loving the autobahn
But despite the rising costs, Germans have continued their love affair with the open road.

"Our turnover is continuously good. We actually see an increase in fuel purchases every year," said Lars Watzek, the manager of a gas station in Regensburg, Germany.

"Every day, people walk in and complain about the rising prices, but honestly, I don't think our customers will drive less because of that," said Watzek. "Germans are in love with their cars."

In fact, new car registrations in Germany increased by 25 percent this February compared to figures from a year ago. And German manufacturers scored double-digit gains in sales, with Europe's biggest car maker, Volkswagen, leading the way with more than 89,000 new cars sold in the first two months of 2008, according to the German motor industry association, VDA. Last year alone, Germany registered a total of 3.5 million new cars.

Will ‘Green Cars’ sell?
Yet, European car manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz – known for their heavy, elegant cars with high fuel consumption – are supporting the trend towards developing more fuel efficient models and cars with alternative fuel technologies. At the recent Geneva Auto Salon, 17 out of the 94 new models were equipped with motors that run on alternative energies.

German car maker BMW was recently awarded an environmental prize for the best new technology for its fuel efficient and emission-cutting system called "EfficientDynamics."  

And, rival Volkswagen announced that the new generation of its bestselling "Golf" model will be available with a hybrid motor by the year 2009. Last week, Volkswagen also said it would roll out more than 20 new models by the end of the decade in a bid to bolster sales to 8 million vehicles by 2011.

But the question remains, will Germans pay up to drive more enviro-friendly "Green Cars"?  

According to a new survey among consumers and car industry executives, governments in Europe will have to offer tax breaks to encourage the purchase of low-emission cars – such as hybrids – because most buyers will not pay extra for the technology.

The survey also showed that European drivers so far have not significantly changed their driving behavior in response to climate change concerns. Yet, there also are developments and alternatives in the market that promise a "cleaner future" and less fuel consumption.

The numbers for so-called "auto gas" vehicles – cars that run on natural gas – have been growing constantly in Europe over the past few years. In Germany alone, 200,000 of these environment-friendly models are already whizzing across the high-speed autobahns and more than 3,500 gas stations have installed these futuristic pumps for service.

And for several years now, a number of organizations in Germany have been offering so called "fuel-saving training," courses in which German drivers – who prefer stick shifts to automatic cars – can learn how to minimize fuel consumption.

"We tell our students to up shift early, drive with a low number of revolutions and to turn off the motor during longer halts at traffic lights or train crossings," said Andreas Hoelzel from the German automobile club ADAC.

Watching every drop
Of course, there is always the option for people to walk to town to do simple errands or to use public transportation. But that would require changing habits and factoring in different costs as well.

"I would even take the bus more often," said Dannemann, the retiree who had an eagle-eye on the gas pump in Wiesbaden. "But, I find the bus fees in our city exorbitant," he said, while making sure not to spill one drop of gas at the pump.

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To me, Barack Obama is a black and white Abraham Lincoln, ready to lead America out of its racist, discriminatory, bias, hate-mongering, divisive, partisan, gender bias, etc. ways … to get America out of its box of bigotry.
This is what should happen in the US, actually, we should have fuel at $20/gallon, this way we get rid of many poor (financially and techically) drivers off the road, making it safer for the rest of us.  Plus, the added bonus is we would finally get serious about using our technological superiority to create means of transport that doesn't pollute, nor force us into importing the poisons buried under a mid eastern desert and spewing it into the air.  Cutoof the money supply to the Middle East by bypassing their ONE commodity, and we end the wars and civil strife.  No need for oil, no need for war. Let ehm live in the 10th century if they like, it won't affect us, and we don't make more enemies.
Yes, the prices for gas are exploding in Germany.
As mentioned above, many people have no choice to take the car, because of the infrastructure of public transportation. BUT.
As far as I can see, we are not subborn racers on the autobahn.
The average speed on the autobahn has decreased in the last years. The today avg. is 117 km/h ( 73 mls ).
This happened due to the fact that  over 50% of the autobahns have speedlimits, so there in no more "free riding" in germany.
Most of the people save fuel, by driving no more than 120km/h ( approx. 75 mls/h ) to save fuel and to save money.
On the other hand, we have cars with fuel consumptions average 5l/100km ( 1.3 gal/62mls ), so that saving fuel is much more easier than 5 years ago.  
My hope is that the deployment of alternative enregy is goin faster to get rid of the dependence of the oil and the the dependence of the "playing games" on the oil market, which made it so expensive .
Believe me when I tell you that we are seeing oil is in its last days as a use for energy.  Because of that energy companies are going to raise prices up and up.  Some of this has reason, exploring for new deposits, cost of extracting, workforce, etc.... but they are still making a huge profit right now.
We can send a man to the moon but we cannot come up with an alternate energy form to move cars.....no it’s just not in the best interest of the wealthy not to let us have it.  We will only see hydrogen fuel cells when gas prices are >$4 or $5 in the US and people just simply can't get to work or kids to school.
Just think....there is a break-even point as to where they can keep raising the price of gas and getting the workforce to show up for work.  Profits are where it is at and until the profits of all other industries begin hurting because of the hit consumers are taking on their budgets for gas is only when hydrogen will make it mainstream.  Until then, don't expect to see any changes, but up, for the next ten years.
After John McCain's presidency, after just a term, we can all expect to pay nine dollars a gallon of gas to keep our cars going. Everyone to the poor farm--expect the super rich.
Yes, they may be paying more for their fuel but they  get twice and three times the fuel mileage that the American government allows our vehicles to get here. The 250 MPG diesel car that they invented over there will likely never be approved by our oil companies to be used in the USA. So in the long run they are still way ahead of us financially.
Yep, Germans love their cars.  They think it is their God given right to drive as fast as they want on the autobahn (and don't dare stay in the left lane if a Porche comes screaming up behind you).  They'll drive 90mph down the autobahn and use a 2 watt light bulb at home to save energy.  However, you can park your car two inches from another german car in the parking lot and you will not get a door ding.  I'll give them that.
Thanks to our great president we too will aproach prices that will be close to 8 dollars a gallon.  The United States of America should be much more ahead of the curve in terms of fuel efficiet vehicles, alternative energy, and oil independance.  Well I guess George W. Bush was a little was little too late in seeing this coming and just recently started to take some measures to help the situation we are in.  I guess he just isn't that smart. I guess he does't need to be smart he is only the president of the united states. After all we are all the blame we elected him "TWICE"..  It is up to "We The People" of the united states to change the government.  Lets have a sense of urgency about this and elect the right people and take action before things get worse like our dollar becoming even more worthless to the point where it is a second rate currency and street vendors are taking euros in place of dollars "in our own country!  To make a statement lets not vote in anybody who was a Bush supporter like "Bush Lite" aka. John McCain.  
By far the biggest cost of gas in Europe are taxes.  Governments collect
most of the money.  They could reduce taxes if they wished.
The Robber Barrons of society are alive and well. The biggest and most blatent of our time seems to be the the Oil Czars of the world.  The cost of fuel at the pump is most apparent and almost everyone can identify with and recgonize how it effects them.
There is a simple and effective way to curb and control this assult on the world economy.  A economic method that will maintain balance without allowing the few to dominate and profit from the many.  This simple method will end inflation and stabalize economies the world over.  
The obvious answer is to tie income directly to the cost of comodities.  Tie salaries and wages directly to the cost of say the top 10 or 20 world comodities and make them retroactive.  Or in this case with oil being the driving economic force allow it to have more weight in determining salary and wage adjustments.  The bottom line is if it costs 10% of your income to pay for fuel today and your consumption has not changed then it will cost 10% tomorrow, next week, next year, and 10% years from now. The same applies for all goods and services.
 Societies world wide have bought into the inflation B.S. With dollor and euro rising and falling which is nothing but B.S. designed to allow a few to capitalize on the many by hedging on the money fluctuation market.  

   Retroactively tie salaries and wages to the cost of comodities and inflation goes away.  When you get a raise at work or a promotion then it is really a step-up the ladder of life and not something that is a "cost of living increase B.S."
When OPEC raises its price for a barrel of oil adjust world currency accordingly. Eleminate the trickle down effect with retroactive adjustments.  Tying currency values to the economic driving forces of the world retroactively will stabalize all economies.  
Hard or impossible to do because of the monumental mathmatical calculations involved you say?? Nothing a simple computer program in the hands a 6 th. grader any where in the world can't handle.  
It's so simple, why shouldn't a can of beans that costs .01% of your income today not cost the same .01% 10 years from now if you haven't received a promotion or a salary increase.  
As I see it, this world of ours better start learning how to walk more, start raising horses to farm our fields, and become more like the Amish people.
i would be all for $8 a gallon here if we would stop buying oil from certain countrys. i say let them start drinking sand and selling that.

i don't want free oil but these prices are down and out stealing
what is the price of a gallon of regular petrol in the usa
i can guarantee you the chinese arent paying 8 dollars or even 3 dollars i want their gas prices
Everyone internationally lets unite and begin producing our own fuels from ethenol and coal. developements in wind energy. and water. lets show the oil rich countries they are flirting with disaster because once we start the switch there wont be any going back. sooner the better. S. Perkins PA U.S.A.

 My God I hope we never get there- I work in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the Oil business, supply is way up (on OPEC end)-which should in reality drive our prices at the pump down, but folks its the traders (futures)on Wall Strret that are driving the price sky high, so its greed propetuating all this.

Alot can be blamed on Bush, but I chose to not spend my time thinking about him today and his failing polices-hope he has good time preaching too the choir at the Pentagon, about how great everything is in Iraq- which I just returned from and can tell you, honestly there are some improvements (thank you to our wonderful troops), Basra (where alot of oil is), is much better thanks too the Brits, but overall is still one giant sewer, can't tell yo how many times I heard Iraqis tell me and my staff, "Things were better under Saddam".
 
I am using the high gas prices, brought about by the Bush Whitehouse, as leverage on my wife too buy a top of the line Mountain Bike too ride too work- So thanks GW keep up the good work.
Though we Americans are hurting too with these Oil Companies market-manipulating prices, I can see that it's worse there in Germany.  

We feel your pain.

Darrell Barker
www.kickgas.wordpress.com
All I have to say is turn the Middle East into a radioactive gas station and watch prices fall to what they should be....
It is simple and easy to stop rising fule prices. Go to biofuel. The US farmers could grow Replaceable biofuel On idel land. It just would take a strong committment fron State and Federal governments.
Contrary to many nay sayers it would not cause world hunger to increase. The do It in Brazil. Also Produce one Octain of fuel not four or five force a standard to be used.
i think the British can top this at $10.00 a Gallon
If I can make an engine which could double gas mileage, why can't the automakers?
I don't see in your article what percent of the $8.00 fuel price is the tax per gallon and what those taxes are used for. That information would be interesting.
I am still puzzled and infuriated at the price of gas when the oil companies boast of their highest profits ever. What's up with that and what can we do to stop it? They know we can't just stop buying gasoline.
It has to stop somewhere, you would think!  I for one will be staying home this summer! See what happens, can't afford to go anywhere anyway!  Med, food, or travel?  It's come down to that!
Would it make sense for state and federal governments to spend money, that they are now spending on fuel alternatives, on more effective and user freindly forms of mass transportation. Maybe an ad ampaign to make it "cool" to use such form of transportation. It is my thinking that using public transportation is associated with with the underpaid and less socially acceptable population. That is not the stigmatism mass transit should be stymied with. There are plenty of dollars out there if they are used properly and by using mass transportation the demand for fuel will go down there in turn bring the price of fuel down. Just my thoughts, let me know what you think.  thanks
the world is learning that all your money is going into the pockets of the super rich. they don't care about common folk anymore than hitler did. their goal is the same as hitler's. world domination. if that was not so, gas would be cheaper.
How about LESS THAN $ 1.00 per gallon of auto fuel??? That's what Coskata Corporation (www.coskata.com )has announced as the cost of a gallon of ethanol derived from biomass by their proprietory process. They are backed in their announcement by General Motors Corporation. Check it out at: www.coskata.com
I think that you should have mentioned that fact that Germany has over a $3.00 tax for Health Car added to the price they are paying.  Again I feel the news media miss leading the people when they don't talk about what all is in the cost of fuel in Europe.
$8 a gallon? Bring it on. Along with my higher salary, your higher salary, higher costs of goods, and on and on to where it will all eventually even out and inflation will have increased to play catchup.

'Going green' has nothing to do about the cost of fuel. I hate to appear apathetic but we are at the mercy of the greedy and they are going to play their political cards until the bitter end and nobody is going to get serious about 'going green' until the oil is gone and, unfortunately, it is too late.
Ok I am a mechanic in Tx. The cost of fuel gas or diesel is stilll lower than most of the country. but it is still high compared to a yr ago. The other countrys around the globe need to do the same as here diversify on fuel spending.The less everyone uses the lower the prices go down. There are factors that drive prices but in the end its all about the all mighty dollar,euro or whatever.In the end its all about power who holds it. I try to stay out of politics but as long as a republican runs this country the cost of everything will be very high.So in the end its all about who has the most money.
I wonder - has Germany seen an increase in motorcycle sales due to the gas price increase?
Maybe that is what the US needs -- the price of gasoline to go so that people take more mass transit and buy smaller cars.  We have to learn to use fuel (in most cases gasoline) better.  I drive a car that gets about 35 miles per gallon. I wish it could get more.  

The problem with the Bush administration is that they don't understand the concept of mass transit.  I guess that is one thing, and the other is that they are oil men wanting people to buy more oil.  
What people need to realize, the higher the price of a barrel of oil, the better Bush sits once he leaves office. This is his own little "Retirement Plan" and he knows what he's doing. As far as him denying we are headed to a recession, eight words...get you head out of the sand GWB. Have a good day
fuel seems to be the driving factor in all rising costs. Food, being shipped or trucked in and out. Everything. I know that it seems insane, but Im not 60 + yrs old.....but I do remember a gallon of fuel being 24-28 cents a gallon. AT this point and time... its is hovering around 3.30 per gallon near my home.
How much of the $8.00/gallon is taxes that pay for the programs Democrats are trying to implement for the US.  Canada is our largest oil importer yet they pay about 20% more per gallon than we do.  They also have to buy beer from state owned stores at a fixed rate of over $30 a case.  The sales tax is 15% when the "temporary" GST tax is added.  This temporary tax is now over 10 years old.  The hospitals look like a third world nation with waiting lists.  I can't wait to see the democrats push universal health care with those results
$8 a gallon,,,,well gee,,,lets just go to Saudi (etal) and take over the refineries we've paid for and let the Princes' "out to pasture".

NTTTG!
American's should educate our congressmen about the advantages of nuclear energy.  Air Polution from fosil fules such as automobil gas consumption is indisputable.  Our healths are adversly impacted by such polution.  Everybody agrees on that. However, nuclear energy in the USA has been the safest form of practicall energy.  We know it works.  We have shot ourselves in the foot by preventing construction of new reactors for a long time.   I know it will happen when gas prices hit around $8 a gallon.  Since it takes a while to build nuclear reactors we should start NOW.  We should talk some sence to oponents of nuclear energy.  For the time being there is no better and practical alternative.
The solution to oil prices is simple--leave it alone.  We have more coal energy than they have oil.  For that matter, North America has more oil than they have, but it's in tar sands, shale, and protected areas.  Just let the price rise and it will become worthwhile to extract it.  New technologies will be developed too, that use less oil or none at all.  To speed it up and reduce imports, an import duty on oil is a possiblity, but not really necessary.
The Price of fuel will alway's be a striking point in our economy, because or legislative branch of government will never put a price freeze on fuel in our economic society, if you continue to read below you will understand that if you had the brains of a rock you will understand why I say this,I have one thing to say all lawyers are crooks, they have set-up and organized the most illegal Judicial System in the United States that constantly Violates the United States Constitution, they have set this system up to serve themselves, you ask why I say this, there is appx: 75-90% lawyers in the legislative branch of government which makes the laws in todays society and there is 100% lawyers in the Judicial Branch of our Government, and all the Lawyers today that you get to represent you and also including the lawyers in the Legislative and Judicial branches all belong to the same Bar Association, what ever happened to a fair and impartial court proceeding when they all belong to the same association, what is most disturbing is what ever happen to our seperation of powers act in the Constitution, our forefathers warned us that the reason they set the seperation of powers act is so no one branch would have more power than the other, so basically you have lawyers running our country to bennefit themselves and to control our economy, LET ME REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER ALL LAWYERS ARE CROOKS AND SO ARE JUDGES WHICH ARE LAWYERS

It's time to STOP ALL the oil barons.  Anyway it can be done - they need to be STOPPED dead in their tracks. Even if we lose 2/3rds of the world's physical population in a war of principal - they have to be stopped. Now and forever! The same with bankers. As long as the peopel have NO guts to stand up to these bullies - they will continue to cause people to die the world over by their arrogant position. The world has got to quit being a COWARD and the PEOPLE have got to STOP these tyrannical persons who would kill you for a dollar and a liter of oil. They are not special people. They are tyrants who lucked upon a way to rape the earth or have caused wars that kill millions to implement their wealth systems to make themselves wealthy. They have no souls for heaven or hell and the bottom line into their haven is to plunder the lessor motivated and lessor greedy oriented masses of people who just want to live a normal corporate lifestyle. What is normal - under a $100,000.00US. There's no need for prices of oil or water to be as high as it is. DO THE MATH! The oil companies are thieves, liars and cause death the world over. They find excuses to make believe a means to justify the ends - so let them be at the end of their chances to a life and getting into heaven. I know what lies on the other side of this life and where we came from. If the oil barons want to go back there and get a new attitude - then that's fine, too. They are not going forward to the next realm. So be it. They are no different than Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Putin or Bush. They THINK they aren't going to be held accountable - but, Samuel holds them very accountable and the final judgment is that what they are doing is VERY unnecessary. They and their families will pay...forever and in a most saddened and dire way that they make others pay...when no one actually owes them anything because these barons and bankers actually don't own any thing and that includes their souls now. They just declare their ability to deceive and take what they want from the earth and its inhabitants. Return them to RA and let them live there where they will be servant to him instead of torturing the peoples of the earth. Let them go no further in time and let them be steadfast in the past lifes with RA.
SobeitdoneAMEN! Let ALL Gods die in their own arrogantly fostered creations and delusions. Let this sick and tormented dimension claim their lives as they have created a sick universe to torture innocence. Let them now be the tortured.
Let's compare apples to apples here.

Yes, Germans pay $8 for a gallon of gas. But why wasn't it mentioned that in that amount is a 19% VAT tax and a duty of 65.45 eurocents per litre? That works out to about 2.62EU (or $4.08) a gallon in taxes alone!

US gas taxes are 18.4 US cents per gallon, plus whatever your state chooses; averaging 22-28 cents per gallon, or $0.42-$0.48 per gallon.

Let's not kid ourselves: gas is NOT cheap in the US. It's just more expensive in Germany (and most of Europe) as their governments tax it for revenue at a rate Americans would never accept.
if so personal health insurance gone ,,, vacation travel gone ,a new house ? think not / again .
The gas prices would not be so high if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq. And if he had a brain; the USA would be getting oil and money from Iraq for fighting their war for them. We the people need to get rid of at least 1/2 of our gov. and congress, and make the rest pay for their own health ins. NO TAX INCREASES NEEDED..
Not really a fair comparison since Germany is more Socialistic than the US.  The amount of tax imposed on gas is much, much higher than here.  So the discussion would have to level the playing field and make an apples to apples comparison.
if that is what it takes to get people's attention to conserve, then bring of $8.00 gasoline!
I'm tired of this arguement. In America, we can't go ten feet without driving there. The cities are made for cars. In Europe, one can live using public transport.
Has anyone heard of a process called thermal depolymerization (TDP), a process of converting carbon based waste (yes trash) into oil and other valuable and purefied products, a two for one deal! It will help fill our cars and empty our land fills. Remember even fully electric cars will need oil for lubricants, plastics and paints so the use of hydrocarbons isnt going to go away too soon, we just have to figure out how to use this precious material more effectively. If we can also reduce our trash by coverting it into other useful products by processes like TDP, then whats not to love? See http://www.thermaldepolymerization.org/#dont_get_too_excited
If only Americans would ride their bikes as much as Europeans do...
greed---- explains 99% of gas price increases


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