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Tug of war over troops

Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:28 AM
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CAMP VICTORY, Iraq – Long after sundown, Gen. David Petraeus sat down with a handful of us Pentagon reporters in an otherwise empty dining room at Camp Victory in Baghdad to talk about ending the surge operation that began about a year ago and bringing those U.S. surge forces home. 

Appearing as tired and weary as I've ever seen him, Petraeus appeared to regain some of his trademark energy as he talked about the reduction in overall violence in Iraq to its lowest levels in three years and expressed confidence that all five of the additional combat brigades sent to Iraq for the surge, some 21,000 U.S. forces, would be going home by the end of July. But typically cautious, Petraeues warned, "It will not be easy."  

The general calls them "storm clouds," major problems that could reverse the security gains made during the surge and says he'll lay out all those potential pitfalls when he briefs Congress on the status of the surge in early April. 

Among the "clouds" on the horizon: a spike in violence as U.S. forces decrease or an inability of Iraqi forces to takeover security operations, along with the lack of political and economic progress. 

It's because of all those potential problems that Petraeus is resisting pressure, both political and from within his own military, to continue to drawdown the numbers of American troops in Iraq once the surge has ended. Meanwhile there's a tug-of-war developing within the military for what U.S. troops will remain.

Can’t play ‘whack-a-mole again’
In a whirlwind two-day tour of Iraq with the Joint Chiefs Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, it became increasingly clear that even when the surge ends, those U.S. soldiers and Marines will still be in high demand. 

U.S. military commanders say they need more combat forces in northern Iraq to counter a dramatic spike in violence. In Mosul, senior military officials say al-Qaida has a death grip on the west side of the city and call the situation there "ugly."  

Petraeus on the other hand says he's not "panicked" by the increased violence in Mosul and warns that pulling troops out of Baghdad to send them up north could threaten the security gains already made. Petraeus insists, "The key is to hang onto what you've got," adding, "You cannot in your eagerness to go after something new start to play whack-a-mole again. You have to hang onto those areas you have cleared, you've got to have a plan." But that's not the only demand on the force.

Army Chief of Staff, Gen. George Casey has already told Congress that the Army is so stressed out by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that he wants to reduce the extended 15-month Iraq tours back down to a year. That means more rest time back home for the soldiers, but potentially fewer forces available for Iraq. 

There's also growing pressure within the military to consider sending those soldiers and Marines sent home from Iraq to Afghanistan, where violence is on the rise and the future of that operation is in increasing peril. Even presidential hopeful Barack Obama says if he is elected president he would send two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan immediately to take on the Taliban and al-Qaida.

While encouraged by what progress he saw during his brief tour in Iraq, Mullen predicted American troops would still be in Iraq for "years, not months," but eventually at substantially lower levels. Even that would come as much-needed and welcomed relief.

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Why do we still have troops in Europe and Korea? Can we not draw down on them to meet our needs in Afghanistan?
As bad as war is, it is also necessary to confront tyrants and terrorists.  Many would disagree,but the current types actually do have global aspirations to wreak havoc and to establish an Islamic world. U.S.presence alone in the Middle East is not the reason they do what they do. Global domination is their primary motivation. They could only acheive their goals if they went unchallenged. I am convinced that our presence in Iraq, or anywhere it becomes necessary,  is vitally important and before the critics chime in, we should realize that history is filled with would-be world rulers that  were confronted and defeated only by the use of force.  Niceties and politeness is not what has secured our freedom throughout our history.  It has always taken a will and determination to confront enemies on a battlefield. We must not be fooled into thinking that through some enlightenment we have evolved into  peaceful creatures and that war is fit only for Neandrethals. There will always be someone there to provoke free men and prove that theory wrong. If you don't defend your way of life (freedom),it will certainly be taken from you.
Thomas Jefferson said,"The tree of life at times must be refreshed by the blood of patriots and tyrants".  Well put, Mr.President.
I am really sick and tired of hearing about the war. We have so many problems in America right now. The money that we are spending in both these wars is more than enough money to stop drugs traffic in america, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, lower costs of college tuition, build better roads, help the elderly with there aging expenses, what I am getting at here is that we as a country need to get our priorities straight and fix our own problems fisr before we can help other. When I was a child this is what I was told( To help others you got to help others first, and I gurantee you there are not many people out there that would not agree with what I am saying.
We need to choose our battles wisely and carefully, in order to confront tyrants.  We also need to be much more vigilant about our emerging tyrants at home (torture, extreme secrecy, signing orders, electronic eavesdropping, etc.).  This was the wrong confrontation chosen for the wrong reasons waged by incompetent "leaders" for greed and self-aggrandizement.  Thomas Jefferson also said "The people have the right to know everything about their government; the government has no right to know anything about the people"
As a veteran of the Iraq war I am tired of seeing two opinions in particular. First, the idea that we're actually doing good overseas. Second, the demand that we must leave immediately. What's most important is that we take responsibility for all of it as a society.

Our leaders can go on and on about statistics, violence levels and progress in one media blitz after another. Regardless of what anyone states on a podium to the American people we have to stop and accept the fact that this war was not necessary according to the reasons we were originally given to justify our invasion. There were no ties between the old Iraq regime and al-Qaida. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Therefore the military action taken in Iraq is not a benefit to anybody. We destroyed a country for no good reason. How exactly are we doing good? We're sacrificing lives and tax dollars in an attempt to keep it from getting any worse.

With that in mind how can we simply call the whole thing off and remove our troops from the situation? After everything that we've sacrificed can we really just cut our losses and leave? What of the thousands of lives we took? Millions of physically and emotionally wounded Iraqi people, displaced and ruined by our actions, are still left with no viable alternative to an occupation government. What will become of Iraq? The country is still teeming with men we call insurgents, militants or terrorists and they will personally see no democratic institutions survive our departure.

We are all responsible for this mess. As a society we must accept it regardless of who we vote for. Our individual feelings about President Bush or the invasion are irrelevant. From the moment the first shot was fired we became one nation at war. The consequences of the war in Iraq are a burden we must carry on our shoulders for those who suffer because of our poor decisions. Whether we commit to staying in Iraq or leave today we are all responsible.
Too bad we did'nt have more people join our armed services, then maybe our wonderful men and women would'nt have such long tours. The wars will never end we'll fight forever. And if we left Europe someone would want to take over. Just remember that we don't have car bombs here yet so enjoy your freedom for now...it's not free. And please don't bash President Bush, what we've learned and done has far more value. If we sit idle, we get hit, if we move we can do the hitting. My Comander told me we fight so stupid people can be free to do stupid things.
I feel that the longer we stay in Iraq, the Iraq Govt will take it's good old time getting their country together because they know that te longer we stay in their country, they will protected and I feel that we are being taken advantage of by the Iraqi Govt and that if they think that we will always be there to secure them, then they are in for a real surprise when we do pull out.

I feel that it is now time to start backing down and start bringing our soldiers home a little at a time and if the voters out there in the primaries really believe that the Democratic nominators will be bringing our troups home then they are really in for a surprise too because they will no more bring our soldiers home than the Republicans will as long as there is a war going on.
Why can't these Muslims fight the terrorists in their own countries, why do we always have to be there, footing the bill and bleeding at the same time.  I think each country has to be reponsible for fighting its own terrorists and stop burdening Americans with everyone else's responsibilities.  
I feel a little chill reading this article. If we need more troops to defeat the forces that threaten freedom around the world, then our Armed Forces should have them. Maybe, the "D" word (draft for those of you who don't what I'm talking about)should be introduced, debated, voted on, and passed by Congress. Since we are fighting two wars why shouldn't the spoiled youth of this country pay "U.S." back (like I did) for all the freedoms they so thoughtlessly enjoy and take for granted everyday?
didnt we invade iraq because of weapons of mass destruction wich were never found not a good reason to invade other countries
Adrian's message of confronting terrorists anywhere (and everywhere) has some merit. Problem is we don't have unlimited troops or $'s. We must re-direct our efforts to more cost effective, and troop effective approaches such as intelligence, satellite photography and direct strikes on terrorists locations. We must defend freedom, but not by declaring indefinite world wide war against a foe that is not clearly defined. Both brains and braun are needed, with a focus on brains.  We won't ultimately succeed unless we redefine the war on terror, and respect the opinion of the rest of the world.
To ron of clarksville, TN.

Part of reason why we have roops in korea that, remember the korea war 1950-53? Well its still basicly both nations are at war. They signed a armistice meaning end of fighting but has not yet been replaced by a peace treaty, techniquly north can invade south at any time... Hence we got bout 10,000 soldiers/marines in SK DMZ, and about 50,000  around Japan(mainly okinawa, but some on islands occupied by USA aftery WWII), WEll to be honest, its just an ace in the hole against he PLA of china.

EUrope... well... not much reason exept protecting the EU from attack and WWII occupational duties basicly... you can say its more like spoils of war :)

Adrian,
Since you want to go looking to pick fights with foreign tyrants, why don't you offer yourself up for this task. As for myself, my son serves and I can only pray that he is not used as fodder for such ill-conceived fiascos as Iraq and now the nation building enterprise of Afghanistan. We can afford no longer to be the policeman of the world. Bush ruined 3 companies he headed and now is grinding the ecomomic life out this country with his foreign policy of military and politcal intervention in everyone elses business. The federal government can not run its business effectively within its own jurisdiction, it is laughable that it attempts to run a Pax Americana across the world.
The troops in Europe are not immune from duty in Iraq or Afghanistan.   Many of those in Europe rotate to duty in the Balkans and Iraq or Afghanistan after only a relatively short time at their European base.  Many of those in Korea after serving a "short tour" of only a year there rotate to a Stryker brigade at Fort Lewis Washington and then deploy to Iraq. Not many soldiers and Marines get a pass.   The Army depoys for longer, typically 15 months and the last I heard the Marines deploy for six months.  Almost all the veteran soldiers are on at least their third tour in Iraq.  
I think the war in Iraq will turn to another Viet-Nam. Look how many america life werelost in that war. It was for nothing we didn't win that war it was called police action. I know I setve in the 4th Infranty there. What a waste of lives and this war won't stop until they have that many troops lose their lifes. I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS WAR IS NOT WINABLE WE ARE FIGHTING MORE THEN ONE COUNTRY.
I think the war in Iraq will turn to another Viet-Nam. Look how many america life werelost in that war. It was for nothing we didn't win that war it was called police action. I know I setve in the 4th Infranty there. What a waste of lives and this war won't stop until they have that many troops lose their lifes. I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS WAR IS NOT WINABLE WE ARE FIGHTING MORE THEN ONE COUNTRY.
why is it that people wish so much for us to be the world police when in fact most people in most other countries do not think very highly of us. probably dont even want us there. i strongly agree that taking out the terrorist is a good idea . that foreign trade is good. but i dont believe that we have to be the world police. that sending our jobs to other countries does any good for us. maybe for the business owner. or sacrificing the american way of life is worth the costs. and what about the value of a dollar? certainly isnt what it used to be by no means. its harder to come by more than ever. people cant afford the gas to go to work or oil to heat their homes (i hear that if we cut the cost foreign oil companies will stop production). nor the cost of health care. the economy is going down hill. what good is all this to the american people?
it is my opinion, that we in fact need to focus more on our own country and begin worrying about what would we do if we needed those 180000 troops here. not to mention our hard earned tax dollars that our president so freely gives to other countries. while our social security system goes bankrupt. our homes are forclosed on, our levees and bridges collapse. why? 20 billion dollars (or more im not sure)freely given to terrorist haven countries could have meant more to those in need in our own country. seems to me we're financing the war against us.
listen, most bridges, locks and dams are in dire need of repair or worse. people are losing jobs to foreign labor costs. (thanks nafta) health care is through the roof. as is any other insurance. and our way of life is becoming more and more challenging. costs are too high. gas goes up so does everything else like food, and clothing. our way of life is becoming more difficult. businesses are closing down. people are out of work. and the president says suck it up. look around america what would we do if our grocery stores went belly up? better learn how to grow your own food. foreign countries are buying up a lot of our stock. and how much more can the government take from us to cover the bills before we stand up and say enough is enough. almost seems like organized crime doesnt it,  60-40 split or will it be 40-60? imagine what our forefathers are thinking?
patriotism is to me unquestionable. i spent 7 years serving my country proudly. i proudly believe in what those stars and stripes stand for. and i would defend that flag and my country today. those soldiers serving in the armed services are my brothers. but its offensive to me to see my nation go into a recession and people continue to be so militaristic minded and state things like how much our troops are needed in other countries only to see their heads cut off.  yeah lets go get the people who were responsible for 9-11. who are savage enough to hurt people just to make the world news.  by all means available show the world we wont take no crap from those people. they dont represent any country. just factions. so pick up your gun and follow me. lets go get them. or shut up about it all. do you got what it takes?
thing that bothers me is that i feel that our troops are continually getting hurt for nothing. sounds so much like another conflict that need not be mentioned. whose reaping the benefits of their sacrifices. certainly isnt freedom. certainly isnt the our businesses. and most certainly isnt the american people.
i think we should get our troops back! we may need them here. work on rebuilding this country and our own infrustructure! bring the jobs back home to america. before republicans end up selling out OUR country to china or some other foreign country all together. imagine what its going to take to pay it back. to become independent again. knowing that we owe soooo much money to other countries. do you think they would right off the bill like we did with russia? or do you think they will do something else about it? makes me wonder.
how long do you thing we can sustain such costs to our own pocketbooks? war is grossly expensive. should we borrow more? heck the president dont seem to mind giving our hard earned tax dollars away to other countries. you think that our government can keep up with the rising cost of our presidents mistakes? i certainly do not wish to pay for them. im fed up with it. but they're all rich what do they care.
AMERICA.... LETS CHANGE OUR COUNTRY! GET PATRIOTIC AND CHANGE WASHINGTON. GET SOME NEW BLOOD WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR PEOPLE. STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT!!! STAND UP, LETS GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! MAKE HISTORY AMERICA.

i have to ask this but what is the american dream if there is no america?
VOTE DEMOCRAT

Go OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are we surprised that our troops are in Iraq at current levels? When an enemy government is liquidated it still takes years to pacify the population and rebuild the country. As Americans we will always take the responsibility to make our defeated enemies self sufficient. It is the only way to leave a battlefield with any honor, which we in the military consider a necessity. Name one war which America won that we are still not engaged with that state. We cannot abandon those we liberate, after all our fight was with the Government, not the people who just want to go to work, worship their God and raise their children.
Thomas Jefferson was speaking for the new country of the U.S., not for fool's errands abraod.  The early fathers of the nation were deeply skeptical of such ventures.  We ended up paying off the Barbary pirates in the first of such overseas military-political interventions, that expedition that is heralded in the Marine's "Battle Hymn of the Republic."  The surge itself is not the victory.  Victory in Iraq must be defined by the Iraqis themselves, and even now they cannot summon up the courage or sense of altruism to pull together.  While everything may be quiet in Baghdad (if a few car bombs a week is quiet), up north the Kurds are making deals to sell their portion of the country's oil to outside buyers.  Meanwhile, the president of Iran freely walked through Shia areas of Iraq, demonstrating what no American leader can do (they all arrive unannounced and leave after a few hours in secret).  The Iranian president was cheered when he said to the Iraqi Shiites that Americans are hated by everyone.  None of these things can the U.S. military fix.  The State Department has made such a hash out of the Middle East that all parties involved are waiting to see if the next U.S. administration will be more competent than the last.  I don't smell victory on anybody's terms anytime soon in Iraq--just the tired-worn mantra that we can't "cut and run."  The mantra itself is beginning to sound the very stuff of cowardice.
i guess mrs. rialto has been sleeping in the class and has not taken her notes correctly.dear madam why the tree of life in middle east needs to be fed blood while there are enough made in china fertilizer in the wall mart? what freedom do you or 95% of the population has?the communist international has become scew americans and take the money offshore international. wake up from your deep sleep if you are real.
when will the politicians begin to see that if we are to continue we will either have to bring back the draft of concede defeat?
I appreciate and agree with Adrian Rialto's comments, but point out that  his quote from Founding Father and former President Jefferson should read: "The tree of liberty...".  Also, mainly because McCain is Pro-Life, I support, back, and will vote for McCain, not whomever the Democrats finally nominate. Since Black and poor white babies stand at least a 30% greater chance of being aborted than do prosperous white babies, abortion on demand is genocide against the Black race, and poor, blue-collar, whites  -- and it was concocted by Margaret Sanger for precisely that end.  Many people do not know this, but she was a zealous, public supporter of Hitler and his destructive and deadly racial "purity" theories.  Racial "purity" is destructive and deadly not only because, in the case of Nazis, it was deadly to Jews, Gypsies, Les-Bi-Gays, Slavs, and Roman Catholic priests and religious, but also because, insofar as a species be genetically uniform, it has greater susceptiblitity to disease, epidemic and even inadvertent extinction, but insofar as a species be of broader genetic diversity, it has greater resistence to disease and epidemic and is more adaptable.  So Margaret Sangers REAL aim -- race "purity" and evential Aryanization of humanity, would, in fact, be inimical to the long-term survival and success of the human species.  Right on Adrian!
Soldiers from both Germany and Italy routinely rotate through both theatres of conflict. They are part of the rotation the the pentagon developed.
BRAVO Mr. Adrian Rialto, California,
I am a Democrate, but always be called a Bush supporter Democrate for this view; it is a reality. We share the same good sense and vision for the world.
The situation is always that when you show leniency, by your good reasoning, there always arrogant out there who takes it for weakness that you will pay by carelessness and negligence.  That was shown once more on 9/11.
War is ugly, the hundreds thousands services men and women who sacrifice themselves for world are true heroes. One thing that remains certain, if they don't do it now, they will do it harder later. The point is that if someone stopped Hitler with 5000 lives, he would have saved the world 50 millions. Too many  American  sympathize more with the al-qaeda for their senseless atrocity than I support Bush plan.  If we let those tyrants pop-up, some day or some how. The world will pay that with an enormous price. Then it will be too late.  
Prevention costs 5000 lives, lawlessness would have cost the world to become a whole al-qaeda and taliban world's style. I feel sorry so many lives to both sides, but it is still a bitter sweet-taste.

The world must know!

Benjamin Franklin made a succinct comment many moons ago that still holds true today,

"Any Society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"

If we are serious about freedom and a liberal society on this planet of ours, then we must stay the course, not give up just because it becomes difficult or inconvenient. There is another old saying beloved of the native North American Indians,

"We don't inherit our world from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children"

We have to stay the course, if we don't then our children will pick up the tab, and have a worse time resolving it.  Another quote to close, this one from John Adams

"I must study Politics and War that my sons may have the liberty to study mathematics and philosophy"

To fight for what is right is always hard, always tempting to withdraw into an introverted fools paradise.  History is littered with the consequences of not gripping these situations promptly, invariably it gets worse if not gripped at the source of the trouble.  Each generation has its troubles to face up to, we must not avoid ours just because it gets painful.

Bin Laden is winning by bankrupting the USA, and George W Bush is his enabler.  We are fighting so that Iraq can become another Iran - a Shiite-dominated, womens-rightless, anti-American "country" without Al-Qaeda (just like Iran)!!!  The total cost of the war already (if we withdrew today) is over a trillion dollars (including long term military, interest, and health costs), that's about $40,000 for every Iraqi.  We would have been in much better position if we had just given $200,000 to every Iragi family of four.  Now McCain wants to spend another one or two trillion dollars and more lives to ensure that Iraq becomes another Iran, rather than a failed state.  Great leadership that can't see the forest for the trees!!!

I like the way we pick and choose which people get their own country.  Israel - yes, Palestinians - no (at least not they give up all their rights), Kurds - no, Basques -no, Chechens - no, Tamils - no, Kosovo - yes.

I like the way we pick and choose which Communist/authoritarian governments we will have dealings with.  Russia under Breznev - yes. Russia under Putin - yes.  China - yes.  Cuba - no.  Vietnam - yes.  I really don't see how Cuba is so different from those other countries.  Justice is obviously is obviously not part of our foreign policy.

We are so screwed (and up!).
Our policy in Iraq is a train wreck!!!..Turkey feels free to invade northern Iraq..while our troops are dying to creat an "independent" state....the President of Iran a real enemy of American interests is given a red carpet welcome in Bagdad!!! It would be a comedy if not for our very real casualties
Its time for a new approach....recognize 'Greater Kurdistan" to include parts of Iran and Turkey encourage separatist movements in Iran and kick Turkey out of Cyprus...should we care to establish credibility in the Middle East its time to think "outside the box"
Ref: "As bad as war is..."

This has so many errors it's hard to know where to begin.  We could start with all the sappy generalities.  If you insist on confronting tyrants, confront Geo. Bush.  But even conceding the necessity of "confronting" it doesn't follow that a trillion dollar war is the best way to do it.  You use harmless terms like "confront" and "challenge" and "our presence" to get us to agree with you and if we do, then you use our agreement to justify war.  There is a whole range of options between "challenge" and "war" that you give no thought to.  Unfortunately, this administration is no better at the options than they are at the war.  Take another look at your sentence, "I am convinced that our presence..."  Strip the chaff away from that and we're left with:  You're convinced that wherever war is necessary, it's important.  History is full of everything, you can find anything you're looking for there.  It is also full of military miss-adventures by mindless gunslingers.  Learn what you want from history.  To say that war is necessary (another useless generality) is not to prove that this war at this time and this place is necessary. I'll let others deal with the last three mindless generalities.
I can only assume all our govt and military leaders are complete idiots.  Staying in Iraq for YEARS?  Not gonna happen, folks!  Not without a draft.  Now go ahead and write your congressman or woman and tell him or her to get a bill going to reinstitute the draft.  You will be completely ignored.  No politician who wants to be reelected is going to open that can of worms but unless it does get opened we don't have the troops necessary to be in Iraq for YEARS.

As for the idea that we will be there but at reduced levels--listen to yourself if you're saying this.  We can't even bring home the troops we have there now, how are we going to stay there YEARS if we reduce the force size? It will just make it that much easier for insurgents and militias to run us out.

We're stuck between a sharp, jagged rock and a very hard place.

But that's alright.  Just wave your little flags and yell how you support the troops and maybe things will magically straighten themselves out.  Wake up America.
To Tom Kuna-Jacob - Exactly what do Margaret Sanger and abortion have to do with the war in Iraq. I also fail to see how the anti-abortion/pro-life platform is the most important thing facing this country these days. We have far more important issues to worry about abd if you are voting based on this one issue a great many people wish that you would just stay home.
"Iraqi freedom" is a misnomer.  The people of Iraq are so controlled by their religious beliefs, freedom/democracy is not something they need, can use, or even want. When will American's realize not all people are ready for democracy...maybe another form of government is needed to bring a political solution to this unnecessary war in Iraq.
I believe that we can still win the war in Iraq, but we need to show that we are serious about it.  To do that, we should position Dick Cheney permanently in Iraq, where he can control the day to day negotiations with the Iraqi leadership, and kick their butts until they take control of their own country and our guys can leave.  When George W. Bush leaves office next year, he should take the position of U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, and show the Iraqi people that the U.S. was serious about helping them all along.  He can guide them on their journey to Democracy.  Of course, all this would require intestinal fortitude from Bush and Cheney, and I am sure that they are not the slightest bit interested in putting their lives on the line for their beliefs.
We need more troops. Our lean mean military is configured to fight a convential war and win in a hurry. They are not configured to fight a ongoing insurgency. This requires more men and less expensive and marginally usefull weapon systems. IE it is much more efficient to indoctrinate three ignorant naive sheep herders to pick up an AK 47 a go fight a holy war against America than it is to build a million dollar missle and get a bunch of highly trained professionals to mount it on a multimillion dollar aircraft flown by a expensively trained professional utilizing a professional expensive intelligence network and military command and control system to find the three ignorant sheep herders and kill them. In short it costs US a lot more time and effort and money to kill islamists that it takes the mullahs to recruit and field replacements for the ones we kill. The only way to win this kind of conflict is to put lots of trained infantry in the field to patrol and control, while special forces hunt down and eliminate the enemies leaders. It has been true since Xeres invaded Greece and it is true now. If you want to see how it is done, look to how the Romans put down Spartacus and other slave revolts and the jewish rebellions.
MAYBE, if WE didn't run around the world sticking our noses into everyone's busy AND telling them how thyy must live WE wouldn't have everyone hating us. MAYBE thats why the terrorists are after us in the first place.

Russia is no terorist but Putin put himself and his country in a position to befriend us and what did we do. While he is in Texas having bbq with Dubya, we are putting missiles in all the former soviet republics. And now hes' mad and we wonder why.

OUR foreign policy is why people hate us, it has nothing to do with them not liking our democracy.
Anyone here read the report from the 911 commission?  Billy boy (Clinton) had so many chances to get bin Laden its not even funny.  But he wimped out each time. How will Hillary be any different?

And she keeps talking about how she is ready to be Commander in Chief.  And while we're talking about a Commander, lets remember that she cried after losing Iowa and then women came out in sympathy.  Then 2 weeks ago she started whining about her media coverage. And now wins last night. Is that the kind of Commander we are looking for?

And lets not forget the non-Monica scandals that she was involved in when they were in the White House. How quickly we want to forget.
Just want to add a "Hip Hip Hooray" for Prince Harry. That show of heroism will never be defeated.  The crown should be beaming with pride over Harry.  It is understandable why he was returned to Great Britain. England can be proud of Harry's williness to serve. "HIP HIP HOORAY PRINCE HARRY"
If some of you out there that are complaining about the wars would just inlist in our armed forces you would be to busy to complain about how we should just stay home and take care of our business. But you're not the type to fight for your country that your FREE to complain in. Go down to your local coffee shop, it's safe don't worry no car bombs here, have a cup and relax while our brave and great men and women fight for your very freedom to have that cup without being blown to bits.Do you actually think that if Sen. Obama gets elected he'll pull all the troops out of whereever? That's what he wants you to think so he'll get elected by people like you. Notice the type and age of people whom mostly vote for him. Hey, the truth is I don't want to go to Irac or any other country to fight. I also want to stay at home, I like coffee and freedom also. But I have a duty to my country to do this for however long it takes. And yes I think they should have a draft, and keep those people behind the line to free up good personel for more important jobs. Remember World war 2? When the whole country got together to work for the effort to support our troops? That does'nt happen much any more for various reasons one being because you're free to have an opinion and opt not to. You're free and safe to do so because our troops let you have that...for now. I was in uniform one day at a department store when an older gal that had worked through WW2 came over to thank me for my service. What great people they are, our older generation. I know great people in our younger generation also,Im in uniform with them also. The facts are we're gonna fight to show the enemy we will not be attacked and sit around and do nothing. Do you know what happens to an old tractor that sits idle instead of plowing or mowing? What happen is it's hard to get it back up to speed again. But if you keep it moving Lubed and oiled it'll do just fine. And now we have battle hardened troops to teach others what to do and when. I wonder what the people who complain will do if China or Russia attack or both at the same time? Complain or run? Here's something for you to think about, lets say you're sitting at an all you can eat chineese buffet and you're on your cell phone talking to your friend-complaining about how your drink is not being brought to you fast enough! Your friend comments about the chineese saying he seen on the news that China has made a new missle! Yes, he says and it's 12 inches long,GPS guided,desinged to track peoples cell phone signal, and they have your number!! The problem is you've gorged yourself on the buffet and too fat and lazy to move out of the way.   KaBOOOM !!! Just kidding ! My personal opinion is join our forces if you can, don't complain about our freedom or the fact that we are at war at the same time, don't be selfish and do and give or both something to someone who has less than you. Also, go get a haircut like those have in the Army, that way if the natives of the U.S. decide to take back their country they may look at you and decide you're not worth scalping.....GERONIMOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  
We should 1st get out of South Korea. It's an example of how long we can grt stuck in a country. It's about time for S.Korea to stand on its own and defend themselves.In the case of an invasionby N.Korea we would help S.Korea but need not be stationed there.
True, Hitler was a threat to the US and we were slow to react.  However, Iraq under Sadam was no threat to us, essentially no Al Qaeda there because Sadam hated and feared Al Qaeda, and there was no WMD there and no WMD program.  After our invasion, our trillion dollars spent, our 4000 soldiers lost and thousands more wounded, we now have Al Qaeda in Iraq, and worse, we now have more members of Al Qaeda worldwide, more enemies, because Al Qaeda uses our Iraq invasion as a recruitment tool.  So after all this money and all these ruined lives, our security is worse than if we had never invaded.  Thanks, George W Bush.  And ask yourself this question, if we win in Iraq, completely eliminate Al Qaeda in Iraq, cap sectarian violence, what country will Iraq most resemble?  Iran!!!!!  That's certainly worth more US lives and money!!!  Again, our leaders can't see the forest for the trees.
Actually, most of the world's problems have more to do with the failure of the international community than a failure of any one country.  Another excellent recent example, when the Kosovo crisis comes up - the UN, again, does little.  When the US is the only country left that will at least pretend to take an interest in humanitarian affairs worldwide, we should ignore what the rest of the world says about our actions.  If another country is willing to step up to the plate as often as we're expected to is when we should listen to that country.
China spent $59 Billion last year on its arms buildup and another $59 billion this year. I wonder if they will send the George Bush & Bill Clinton a thank you card for NAFTA. Without NAFTA they would not have the money to spend on war goodies.Yet another reasoon to tear up NAFTA..
We need to bring home all the troops and let those countries take care of their own problems.  Like we need to take care of our own problems in this country.  When big business runs the government they run the government into the ground, because they are not responsible for their decisions.  The tax payer will pick up the tab for their illgotten gains.  We are all doomed!!!
In response to previous blogs:
I have heard the arguements of Brian, Penn.before and agree with most of them. Terrorism is a very real issue. America needs to increase homeland security and yes, still work to fight terrorist activities, but not by outright war or occupation of other peoples country. There was such a nice (relatively) long lull in war monging after the fiasco of the Vietnam war when the U.S. was so fearful and obsessive about communism. Now it is terrorism which is more of a true threat than communism ever was.
Some people say that antiwar dissenters or anyone who is opposed to the fight on terror are simply doing the bidding of the Jihad extremists by crippling America's war on terror which some people see as necessary to keep our future generations free from the oppression of radical Muslim groups.(Remember I am talking about radical Muslim's not mainstream Muslims). America can be harmed by terrorists but never taken over or occupied. We are too strong (For now).There are two big oceans keeping us far away from the troubles in other parts of the world.There is a view out there that indicates it's either Jihad terrorists or us, their way or our way, either Jihadism becomes the ultimate victor or American Imperialism becomes the victor. I question that stance. We cannot solve all of the worlds problems.There will be discontent amoungst various world religions and governments. There always has been and there always will be.  
I have dual citizenship (Canada&U.S.) but speaking from my heart about my American citizenship and the homeland of my birth, I feel very stongly about nationalism. This is a little different than patriotism. Many wrong actions have been blindly taken and accepted in the name of patriotism. Nationalism to me means more. It means the love and cherishing of one's own country first-above any other nation in the world; and there is nothing wrong with this at all. It is good and honorable and nothing to  feel guilty about. Many countries around the earth have problems. It is very wrong, I believe , to save or attempt to save, through war or occupation of another land,any other country to the detriment of our own country.
The National Debt in America is outrageously high. As other writers have pointed out, it is only reasonable and rational to address the many social and humanitarian issues in our own country before trying to save any other country.
Not only that but many countries that the U.S. has footed the bill for 'saving' could have been helped by their own countries and regions. If you study the amount of policing the U.S. has done it is exhorbitant when compared with other major countries: Europe, Russia, China, etc.
The United Nations has not been perfect but it has been a coaliton of countries working together to see world justice is accomplished. Sanctions have been put onto non complying countries.
The United States would do well to act as a unit with the United Nations instead of it's maverick independence in going to war alone. All that does is alienatetes the U.S. from many strong allies and causes extreme resentment from the countries it tries to help.
On exticating from Vietnam the U.S. had to loose face, but at least all the horrendous loss of life and limb came to an end. Vietnam eventually got a firmer footing and has improved relationships with the U.S. despite it's being communist. You just cannot cram Democracy down the throats of another country unless the majority of people are ready for it. It took something like 37 years if my memory serves, for India to be self governing and Britain to leave.The United States simply cannot afford to baby Iraq along like that no matter how much guilt is felt for disrupting their country.
Americans need to focus solely on America now or our country is in dire danger of capsizing from within due to the economy.
Reign in the troops. Bring our soldiers home and give whatever money would have been spent on the war effort to drops of food & first aid to the average family in Irag for one year and then they are on their own. Sorry, the U.S. interests Have to come first. Aso reign in the amount of money being spent everwhere on Foreign Affairs and spend it at home on our own needs. It's time for a change.
Hey Brian from Penn. state, You said you would defend your flag YESTERDAY,so did you take the oath again TODAY ??  And yes grow your own veggies, what you need to learn? And yes our bridges are poor,so learn how to build them and do it. Dude, nobody is gonna pick up their guns and follow you until you learn how to grow some food to feed them!! Let our stores collapse if that is what they are gonna do. We need to learn how to take care of ourselves and not be so dependant on foriegn goods and oil.Also some of our jobs have left because of corporate greed and also union greed.We do not need 25-35 dollars an hour to live on. Although we my desire that. People are out of work, but the Army is hiring,and Mcdonalds. And I am sorry about our automakers, maybe they can learn from the Japaneese and keep our jobs here in the states instead of Mexico. I have a ford truck, a 2003 with plastic rockercovers and plastic intake, leaked oil from day one.And i have a 14 year old Honda all alluminum engine no leaks. Gee, i wonder why our automakers are having trouble. I had a 1987 chevy caprice, the engine said " Hecho en Mexico",again junk. I want american too,but if the corporate big boys are gonna take me for a fool then goodbye. Their greed and cheap Mexican labor has ruined the american quality we once had in our cars. And i hate that for our hardworking men and women who have made GM and Ford what they are ...or were. Building our bridges and roads are up to the people who hold those jobs, It is up to you and I Brian, my brother to protect them so they can do so. And do not forget that the American dream started out with a bunch of foreigners taking this land from the natives declaring it theirs and having a dream. We took it by force,we'll protect it with force,and we'll keep it all with brutal force. At 39 I have reinlisted, grow veggies, raise children,wave to my neighbor,and am prouder than ever to be what I think is american. I don't ask people to move out of my way when I have to drive my Ford truck anymore than I ask people not to run me down when I have to drive my Honda. Bringing or getting America back will take our sacrfice, hard word and maybe our lives. And just think I'll share all of my juicy tomatoes with you and our brothers. Just raise your right hand....brother.


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